1 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 2: This is the. 3 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:13,399 Speaker 3: Bloomberg Day Baker at podcast. Good morning. It's Tuesday, the 4 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 3: fourteenth of July. I'm Caroline Hepka in London and. 5 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,959 Speaker 1: I'm Stephen Caroline Brussels. Coming up today, President Trump is 6 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: said to notify US lawmakers that America is once again 7 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: at war with Iran. As hostilities escalate. 8 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 3: The US president demands a twenty percent hole Mouz cargo 9 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 3: fee worth about thirty million dollars for supertankers. 10 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: Plus cocaine hidden in bananas, Spanish royalty and US financiers. 11 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: The extraordinary tale of a drug bust that reads like 12 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: a Hollywood script. 13 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 4: Let's start with a roundup of our top stories. 14 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: The United States has carried out another round of strikes 15 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: on Iran after President Trump vowed to hit the country hard. 16 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: According to multiple reports, Trump also formerly notified Congress that 17 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: the US is once again at war with Iran. The declaration, 18 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: made in a letter dated the tenth of July, allows 19 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: the president sixty days to conduct military action without congressional approval. 20 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: Trump has also announced that he is reinstating the US 21 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: blockade of Iranian ships traveling through the Strait of Hormuz 22 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: from nine pm London time today. 23 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 5: And we're knocking out all of their offensive capability. And 24 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 5: we're controlling the Straits who're putting the blockade back. And 25 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 5: it's a blockade not for anybody but around. In other words, 26 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 5: anybody doing business with the rank can't go through. Everyone 27 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 5: else will be able to go through them. 28 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: Trump also vowed to keep up at tax on around, 29 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 1: telling reporters that strikes are targeting the country's capabilities for 30 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: anything having to do with the Strait. 31 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 3: The price of Brent crude has climbed back above eighty 32 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 3: five dollars a bow for the first time in a 33 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 3: month after news that the US blockade is being reimposed. 34 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 3: Speaking yesterday, President Trump also floated a proposal for a 35 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 3: twenty percent charge on cargo shipped through the Strait of 36 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 3: Hormuz based on current oil prices, that would amount to 37 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 3: more than thirty million dollars for a fully laden supertanker. 38 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 3: By contrast, sources tell us that Iran had been charging 39 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 3: up to two million dollars per voyage on an ad 40 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 3: hoc basis. We got more from Bloomberg's Washington correspondent Tyler Kendall. 41 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 6: I was just catching up with our analysts at Bloomberg 42 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 6: Economics that say that, as far as they can tell, 43 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 6: the president's post is inconsistent with international law. This also 44 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 6: would be a very high fee, if you will, higher 45 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 6: than what Iran is currently trying to charge when it 46 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 6: comes to transitting through the Strait of Removes. What is 47 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 6: very evident here, though, is that the White House's patients 48 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 6: has run incredibly thin, as we saw Sentcom over the 49 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 6: weekend to demand that Iran issue a statement saying that 50 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 6: the Strait of Removes has opened. 51 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 3: That analysis from Tyler Kendall comes as numerous sources in 52 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 3: the shipping industry have told Bloomberg that they were blindsided 53 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 3: by the announcement of a potential fee on cargoes transiting 54 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 3: the waterway. They said it was too early to know 55 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 3: what the plan would look like in practice or how 56 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 3: it might affect their decision on using the route. 57 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 1: Bond traders of ramped up bets and the Federal Reserve 58 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,679 Speaker 1: hiking interest rates later this month ahead of US inflation 59 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: data and an appearance in FED chair Kevin Warsh. Markets 60 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: currently see around a forty percent chance of a rate 61 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: rise at this meeting, up from less than ten percent previously. 62 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 2: Speaking at the New. 63 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 1: York Association for Business Economics, Governor Christopher Waller said an 64 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: increase in rates may be necessary. 65 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 7: We get another hot reading on core inflation this week, 66 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 7: then the FMC will need to consider tightening monetary policy 67 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 7: in the near term. As always, we need to avoid 68 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 7: making the mistake of fighting the last war and reacting 69 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 7: too soon to tighten inflation. 70 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: While I went on to say monetary policy was at 71 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: a crossroads because of pressure from tariffs, energy prices and 72 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: the buildout of AI infrastructure, the market is pricing in 73 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: one FED rate hike by the end of this year, 74 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: second one by March of next year. Trailers are also 75 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: lifting ECB rate bets, fully pricing in a twenty five 76 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: basis point hike. 77 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 3: In September, EU ambassadors will meet today to try and 78 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 3: secure the block's latest delayed sanctions package against Russia. An 79 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 3: agreement to freeze the EU's price cap on Russian oil 80 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 3: has so far remained elusive. Separately, the UK Prime Minister 81 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 3: kits Darma spoke at his last meeting of the so 82 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 3: called Coalition of the Willing designed to support Ukraine. 83 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 8: I know that under my successor, the UK's commitment will 84 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 8: remain as strong as ever. 85 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:38,119 Speaker 2: We will not waiver. 86 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 8: Ukraine is the defining cause of our times, but history 87 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 8: will record that we rose to this moment, and I 88 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 8: have no doubt that ultimately we will help secure the 89 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 8: peace that Vladimir and his people so justly deserve. 90 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 3: The UK is outgoing Prime Minister kist Starma speaking there 91 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 3: about vo A Linski. In the US, the White House 92 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 3: says that President Trump plans to support a Russian sanctions 93 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 3: bill championed by the late Senator Lindsey Graham. 94 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,239 Speaker 1: In Switzerland and the UK are expanding their free trade 95 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: agreement to The two countries agreed to ease rules on 96 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: border checks, intellectual property rights, and data sharing. Britain's Business 97 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 1: Secretary Peter Kyle called it the most significant services trade 98 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: deal the UK has ever negotiated. UK says the deal 99 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: could boost the economy by five point two billion pounds 100 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: every year in the long run. The agreement has to 101 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: pass parliaments in both countries before it can come into effect. 102 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 3: As Rachel Reeves delivers what is expected to be her 103 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 3: final Mantion House speech as Chancellor, attention is already turning 104 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 3: to who could replace her. A Bloomberg service suggests that 105 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 3: investors see the Energy Secretary Ed Miliband as the least 106 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 3: market friendly contender for the job. 107 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 4: Bloomberg's Ferdie Fulston. 108 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 9: Reports Rachel Reeves wants to leave the city with a 109 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 9: simple message. Economic growth depends on stability, credibility and disciplined 110 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 9: public finances, but many in the square mile are already 111 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 9: focused on who will inherit those promises. Bloomberg's latest Markets 112 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 9: Live Pulse survey found former Health Secretary Where's streeting is 113 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 9: investors preferred choice to become Chancellor, while Energy Secretary Ed 114 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 9: Miliband ranked last among the leading contenders. Miliband has long 115 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 9: been viewed as the candidate most likely to pursue a 116 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 9: more interventionist, higher spending agenda, even though he's the bookmaker's 117 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 9: favorite to succeed Reefs. The Chancellor is expected to argue 118 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 9: that Labour's economic reforms can only succeed if Britain maintains 119 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 9: the confidence of financial markets in London. Freddie Fulston, Bloomberg Radio. 120 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 3: Those are our top stories for you this morning. Looking 121 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 3: at the market's oil advancing for a second day, brain 122 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 3: Crude futures are by one point nine percent, trading at 123 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 3: eighty four dollars ninety two, reignite inflation concerns, boosting bets 124 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:05,359 Speaker 3: for interest rate hikes as the standoff between the US 125 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 3: and Iran intensifiers has also been a major move for 126 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 3: Japanese jgb's twenty eight bondials, falling eleven and a half 127 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 3: basis points, with some fresh comments from Japanese authorities. US 128 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 3: treasuries are steady ahead of the USCPI data that comes 129 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 3: out today. Ten year yield steady at four point six 130 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 3: two percent. In terms of what it means for equity markets, 131 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 3: we have seen another massively volatile day for the cospy, 132 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 3: which slumps as much as five point three percent at 133 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 3: one point. The taie exer also shed almost two and 134 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 3: a half percent, is currently though down by one point 135 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 3: eight percent. Stop futures for Europe are also down six 136 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 3: tenths of one percent. 137 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 4: That's the look at the markets. 138 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: In a moment, we'll bring you more in what one 139 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: thousand days of war in the Middle East since the 140 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: October seventh attacks is meant for the region, Plus the 141 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: Spanish cocaine bust that exposes links to Wall Street and 142 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: Dubai Real estate put another story that we've been reading 143 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: this morning about those who try to scam online scammers. 144 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: Rachel Sugar has been delving into this world for Bloomberg 145 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: Business Week. We all know that calls, emails, and text 146 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: mesters which appear to be from someone else, sometimes threatening, 147 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: sometimes pulling on emotional ties, but all very annoying at 148 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: the very least. But there's a community known as scambater's 149 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: online who try to waste scammers time or even try 150 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: and extract money from them with their own tricks. These 151 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: schemes also make very successful YouTube videos as it happens, 152 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: but Rachel reports that it can While it can help 153 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: authorities to catch some of the scammers, it's pretty rare. 154 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: It's not clear how effective this is, and actually one 155 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: of the people who does this, who Rachel spoke to, 156 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 1: describe it as a not very nice corner of the Internet. 157 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: But perhaps people are feeling so frustrated by some of 158 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: the deluge of mesters they get that they feel like 159 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 1: this is the best way to tackle it. 160 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, have you ever been scammed? I certainly 161 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 3: had to look really closely at a couple of websites 162 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 3: that were purportedly selling ac units recently to that they 163 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 3: were scams, and then I went and looked up some 164 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 3: of the data. I mean, UK Finance reported just in 165 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 3: June that there was a record one point three billion 166 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 3: pounds that was lost to scammers in the UK last year. 167 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 3: I mean, the scams are getting so sophisticated. I cannot understand, 168 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 3: for the life for me, why it's not a kind 169 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 3: of higher national priority for for countries when so many 170 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 3: individuals are being scammed, and you know why, maybe the 171 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:25,599 Speaker 3: websites don't have more responsibility. 172 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 4: I'm not sure. 173 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look at something else of that, I 174 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: I makes not a lot more complicated as well, So 175 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: the effectiveness of scam baiting also in question given that 176 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: technological development. Really interesting piece sole but a link to 177 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: it in our podcast show notes. But let's bring you 178 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: up to date with developments in the Iran war after 179 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: more strikes and President Trump's comments on the straight of Horror. 180 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 2: Mooz. 181 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 1: This is Boomberg has been examining how one thousand days 182 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: of war in the Middle East since the October seventh, 183 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three attack on Israel of appended relations across 184 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,199 Speaker 1: the region. Neil Monshi is our deputy managing editor for 185 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: the Middle East and Africa joins us. Now for more Nila. First, well, 186 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: let's start with the latest developments in the Iran war. 187 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: How significant is this latest escalation and what effect could 188 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: I have. 189 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 10: You could see that it's pretty significant. You guys spoke 190 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 10: about the impact on the oil price on markets. You 191 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 10: can see people are taking it seriously. And the events 192 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 10: over the last week where we saw this war kind 193 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 10: of reawaken, reignite. You saw the implications across the region 194 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 10: as well, with sirens blaring again in golf capitals when 195 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 10: business had kind of gone back to normal for a 196 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 10: little while. And you can see with the oil price 197 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 10: how this might impact say, pump prices in the US, 198 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 10: which get implications for the US midterms. Yes, so it's quite. 199 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 4: A renewal sighting. Yeah, it is. 200 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 3: I mean the conflict is also part of this rewiring 201 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 3: of relationships across the Middle East. How much more isolated 202 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 3: is Yvon now compared to before the war in girls 203 00:10:57,679 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 3: are started. 204 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 10: Well, Iran was never so sort of you know, fully 205 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 10: integrated into the Gulf. But you know, before the October 206 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:10,559 Speaker 10: seventh attack, China had brokeered a reprochement between Saudi Arabia 207 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 10: and Iran, and this was seen as a very big deal, 208 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 10: two longtime enemies sort of willing to have a detone. 209 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 10: But what you saw, especially after the Iran War started 210 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 10: and Iran started, you know, lobbing thousands of missiles across 211 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 10: the Gulf, is even neighbors who were sort of willing 212 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 10: to give some kind of piece a chance in the 213 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 10: name of stability in the region begin to distance themselves. 214 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 10: Now as the war war on and Iran continued, you 215 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 10: saw sort of a further split within the Golf countries 216 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 10: between sort of a faction led by the UAE which 217 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 10: wanted a more aggressive response to Iran, and Saudi Arabia, 218 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 10: who leaned more towards diplomacy, again kind of in the 219 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:56,079 Speaker 10: name of stability. 220 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: And I suppose if we think about this broadly across 221 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 1: the region, how much more unstable our relations now after 222 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: this string of conflicts, if any new alliance has been 223 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: formed to while so many others have been damaged. 224 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:14,239 Speaker 10: Yeah, you've seen against Saudi Arabia leaning into diplomacy alongside Pakistan, 225 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 10: Cutter Egypt to an extent, looking toward more sort of 226 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 10: mediating this conflict to a peaceful n and on the 227 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 10: other side, the UAE has leaned further into its relationship 228 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 10: with Israel. You know, we had reporting that during this 229 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 10: war in a sort of unprecedented way, Israel and the 230 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 10: UAE were sharing intelligence, coordinating on strikes, and that has 231 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 10: helped to further divide this sort of rift within the 232 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 10: Gulf countries between Saudi Arabia and the UAE, where Israel 233 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 10: is sort of more of a fault line even than 234 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 10: it was before. 235 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 4: Yeah. 236 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 3: Absolutely, Neil, thank you so much for being with us. 237 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 3: Neil Munch is our deputy managing editor for the Middle 238 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 3: East and Africa. This as we see these renewed hostilities 239 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 3: and think about the context of this war that has 240 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 3: now been going on for one thousand days in the 241 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 3: Middle East, stay with us. More from Bloomberg Daybakeupe coming 242 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:11,079 Speaker 3: up after. 243 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 2: This to other news. 244 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: A thirteen ton hall of cocaine disguised as bananas has 245 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 1: exposed what authorities in Spain allege as a financial network 246 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: that connects US based financiers, luxury Dubai real estate, and 247 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: a crypto trading Irish fintech company. Our financ support of 248 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 1: Donald Griffin joins us now for more details on this 249 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 1: complex but fascinating story. Don't let's start with the drug 250 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 1: seiz that happened back in twenty twenty four. What happened 251 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: and where did the investigation go from there? 252 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 11: Good morning, Yeah, this is a fascinating story, almost multiple 253 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 11: stories in one really. So in twenty twenty four, Spanish 254 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 11: authorities discovered a cargo of thirteen tons of cocaine that 255 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:03,079 Speaker 11: have come from Ecuador all the way to the port 256 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 11: of Aljacius, which is in the Bay of Gibraltar just 257 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 11: opposite Gibraltar, and what we're supposed to be bananas was 258 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 11: actually thirteen tons of cocaine, which at the time was 259 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 11: a record seizure in Spain. And what seems to have 260 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 11: unfurled from there is this really really broad cocaine importing 261 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 11: network that also had a very very elaborate authorities allege 262 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 11: was a very very elaborate laundering network as well, so 263 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 11: that's where it's kind of gone from there. 264 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 2: It also has involved. 265 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 11: I mean some kind of fascinating individuals such as one 266 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 11: of Spain's top anti money laundering coups who are police officers, 267 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 11: who was alleged to have kind of been involved in 268 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 11: all of this, and then of course, they're a number 269 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 11: of very very senior sort of financiers who were also 270 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 11: alleged to have been involved in laundering the proceeds. 271 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 3: Yeah wow, Well, tell us a bit more about the 272 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 3: entities that the authorities have then connected to the case, 273 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 3: I mean in terms of where they're based and what 274 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 3: kind of businesses they are, what more do we know? 275 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 11: So it's quite a sprawling, messy network that the Spanish 276 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 11: authorities have alleged, and it's important to state that no 277 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 11: one has been charged here in the Spanish system. These 278 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 11: alleged protagonists are they've been formally named as suspects or 279 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 11: I think investigado is what they're known as in the 280 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 11: Spanish system, but no one has been charged. 281 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,359 Speaker 2: And this is sort of just working through. 282 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 11: The Spanish legal system at the moment. But I think 283 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 11: one of the most interesting links for us when we 284 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 11: started taking a look at it was that two of 285 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 11: the people involved in allegedly helping to launder from the proceeds, 286 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 11: a fellow called Ketan Set who was based in the 287 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 11: United States, and then another individual called Francisco to Bourbon. 288 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 11: And these individuals they had been accused of running a 289 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 11: trading firm that I think was based sometimes in New York, 290 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 11: sometimes in California, and that this trading firm was accused 291 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 11: of sort of you know, helping sort of funnel these 292 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 11: these proceeds of drug sales. 293 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 2: But these individuals also what. 294 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 11: They've been involved in, and this is distinct from the 295 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 11: from the cocaine case. They set up a spack last 296 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 11: year focused on AI and data centers that has, I 297 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 11: mean done really well. It's raised hundreds of millions of dollars. 298 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 11: It's got links with you know, established Wall Street investment banks, 299 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 11: it's attracted some of the world's biggest investors as shareholders. 300 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 11: And again that's back is not accused of having anything 301 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 11: to do with all of this, but it just kind 302 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 11: of shows, I suppose, the links that these individuals had 303 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 11: to Wall Street finance. 304 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: Donald In terms of the investigation, as you mentioned, it's 305 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: still ongoing. What are the next steps that we're watching for. 306 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 11: So I think this is just working its way through 307 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:13,400 Speaker 11: the system. Exactly what the Spanish choose to do next 308 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 11: is obviously up to them, And I think the documents 309 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 11: that that a lot of this story is based on 310 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 11: are sort of been They're being prepared for court by 311 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 11: investigators in Madrid in terms of set Ket and set 312 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 11: who was again the fellow who was behind this this back. 313 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 11: He has attempted to have his arrest warrant overturned. He 314 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 11: is set to appear in court I think in relation 315 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 11: to this later this year. 316 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:45,439 Speaker 2: A number of individuals. 317 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 11: In the case are being held in jail, a number 318 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 11: of them are are out at the moment. 319 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 2: So I think it's just kind of working through the system. 320 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 11: And again no one has been charged just yet, and 321 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 11: I'm presuming that that would be the next stage in this, 322 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 11: that that formal charges will be based against people or not, 323 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 11: and it will go from there. 324 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is certainly an extraordinary tale and involving so 325 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 3: many different people in so many different places. Donald, thank 326 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 3: you so much for being it to us and for 327 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 3: telling us about it. Our finance reporter, Donald Griffin. 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