WEBVTT - Alphonse Bertillon

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production

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<v Speaker 1>of iHeartRadio. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Holly

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<v Speaker 1>Frye and I'm Tracy V. Wilson. We mentioned quite recently

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<v Speaker 1>that an al fALS Bertion episode was coming, and in

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<v Speaker 1>a shocking turn of events, here it is with very

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<v Speaker 1>little delay. Yes, unlike so often when it's like four

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<v Speaker 1>years later. If you have noticed that there is also

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<v Speaker 1>a Bertillon episode in the archives, yes, that's true. This

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<v Speaker 1>one is not exactly an update. It's got a much

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<v Speaker 1>different focus than that one that talks a lot about

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<v Speaker 1>his police work and some of the ways he innovated,

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<v Speaker 1>which we don't talk about much in this one beyond

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<v Speaker 1>some of the key elements of the Bertillon system. But

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<v Speaker 1>I really wanted to look at his life story a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more and who he was as a person.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's why we are revisiting alfals Bertion. Bertil is

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<v Speaker 1>a man who definitely is a mix of really positive

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<v Speaker 1>achievements and traits and also a whole lot of really

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<v Speaker 1>problematic issues. He's a very complex human. Bertil developed a

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<v Speaker 1>system of identification via body measurements that was designed to

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<v Speaker 1>identify whether crime suspects had an existing criminal history. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just worked sort of. But his contributions to police work

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<v Speaker 1>have kind of been occluded by some terrible missteps he

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<v Speaker 1>made in his career after that. I'm just going to

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<v Speaker 1>tell you upfront, this is one of those episodes where

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<v Speaker 1>there are a lot of parentheticals where we just have

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<v Speaker 1>to point out that there is a threat of racism

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<v Speaker 1>through his entire story. I don't want to detract from

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<v Speaker 1>it by jokingly saying you're going to get a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of this, but just brace for it. It's one of

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<v Speaker 1>those things we're just acknowledging because in a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>cases it doesn't do any good to really dig into

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<v Speaker 1>it and go, here's how this was racist. One thing,

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<v Speaker 1>the very title of it, you will know is super racist.

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<v Speaker 1>So know that going in as we examine Alfonse Bertillon.

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<v Speaker 1>Alphonse Bertillon was born April twenty third, eighteen fifty three

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<v Speaker 1>in Paris, France, and he came from a family of innovators.

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<v Speaker 1>His grandfather, Jean Baptiste Bertignon, served in the military under

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<v Speaker 1>Napoleon Bonaparte before becoming a chemist. In that role, he

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<v Speaker 1>made improvements to the distillation process and invented a sugar

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<v Speaker 1>purification method. Jean Baptiste also invested in one of the

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<v Speaker 1>first gas works in Paris, helping to usher in the

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<v Speaker 1>age of the literal city of lights. Alphonse's father, Louisdolphe Bertillon,

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<v Speaker 1>studied medicine at the Sorbonne, although his true passion was engineering,

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<v Speaker 1>and he sort of combined the two when he realized

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<v Speaker 1>he could measure humans and used that data to compile

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<v Speaker 1>statistical tables. Some of these tables were inherently racist. Ui

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<v Speaker 1>Adolf eventually became France's head of vital statistics, and Alphonse's brother,

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<v Speaker 1>Jacques Bertignon followed their father in that role. Alphonse's mother

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<v Speaker 1>was Zoe Guiller Bertillon, who had married Louis Adolf in

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen fifty. According to a biography written in the nineteen fifties,

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<v Speaker 1>Zoe had wanted to name their second son Alfred, but

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<v Speaker 1>Louis Adolf had forgotten the name they had chosen when

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<v Speaker 1>he went to register the birth and so incorrectly went

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<v Speaker 1>with Alphonse. That is really quite a charming story in

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<v Speaker 1>that biography, where she's just like okay, fine, like they're

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<v Speaker 1>just really happy about their new baby, who apparently screamed

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<v Speaker 1>a lot. When Alfonse was just a few months old,

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<v Speaker 1>the Bertillons moved away from Paris to Molmoor and See,

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<v Speaker 1>about ten miles or seventeen kilometers north, and this move

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<v Speaker 1>was precipitated by a growing distrust of the science community

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<v Speaker 1>in Paris at the time, as scientific discoveries move the

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<v Speaker 1>populace forward to people behind them were sometimes seen as

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<v Speaker 1>causing unrest. Uh but this move was very good for

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<v Speaker 1>the family for other reasons because being in the country

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to help Alfonse, who had been kind of sickly

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<v Speaker 1>from the time he was born, gain a degree of

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<v Speaker 1>health and level out a little bit in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>his child development. The family stayed at Monmorency for three years,

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<v Speaker 1>and they moved back to Paris in eighteen fifty six,

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<v Speaker 1>settling in on the Rue de Bruze. Alphonse sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>a scamp as a kid. He was a curious child,

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<v Speaker 1>but not really interested in structured learning. When he struggled

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<v Speaker 1>in school, his parents hired a tutor for him, but

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<v Speaker 1>he was pretty merciless with this tutor would hide his

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<v Speaker 1>glasses and play tricks on him. Because he had been

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<v Speaker 1>sickly as a small child and still had some health issues.

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<v Speaker 1>He was entirely willing to exploit that to just get

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<v Speaker 1>out of work. When Alphonse was eleven, he was sent

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<v Speaker 1>to a boarding school that special in difficult students. He

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<v Speaker 1>was there for a semester before the Bertignon family received

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<v Speaker 1>a letter that basically said no amount of money was

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<v Speaker 1>worth dealing with Alphonse. As a scholar, he excelled in

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<v Speaker 1>botany and natural history, but he just did not have

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<v Speaker 1>any interest in other subjects. At the same time, the

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<v Speaker 1>family was trying to decide what to do with their

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<v Speaker 1>precocious thirteen year old Zoe Bertillon became gravely ill. Her

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<v Speaker 1>exact illness is unknown. It's been theorized that she may

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<v Speaker 1>have had some sort of bacterial infection that led to sepsis. Alfons,

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<v Speaker 1>his older brother Jacques, and their younger brother George attended

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<v Speaker 1>her deathbed, and Alfonse is said to have fainted in

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<v Speaker 1>the moment that she died. As the family was mourning,

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<v Speaker 1>Luis Adolf had taken the two younger boys to Orno

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<v Speaker 1>la cousadle Bach, near France's border with Andorra. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a place that he and Zoe had spent time when

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<v Speaker 1>they were first married, and there Alphonse got some tutoring

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<v Speaker 1>from his father, who realized that his mental child mostly

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<v Speaker 1>just needed to be challenged by education to engage with it.

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<v Speaker 1>This is something, of course, that is recognized as part

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<v Speaker 1>of a person's learning profile now, but in the mid

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<v Speaker 1>nineteenth century it was often mischaracterized as laziness or a

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<v Speaker 1>lack of focus. I think folks still struggle with being

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<v Speaker 1>branded lazy when that's not really what's going on today.

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<v Speaker 1>But to be clear, Alphonse was stubborn about the whole

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<v Speaker 1>idea of studying things he did not have a natural

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<v Speaker 1>interest in, and this recognition of Alphonse's need for stimulus

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<v Speaker 1>did not result in him becoming a good student or

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<v Speaker 1>having courses tailored to him. Perhaps more than anything else, though,

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<v Speaker 1>this period brought Alphonse and his father much closer. Before

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<v Speaker 1>her death, Zoe had been the parent that Alphonse had

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<v Speaker 1>been close to. But Alfos did have to go back

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<v Speaker 1>to school, and he was eventually enrolled at the Imperial

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<v Speaker 1>Lise at Versailles. This initially seemed like it might be

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<v Speaker 1>a good fit, but all of the same problems arose

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<v Speaker 1>once the newness of that situation had worn off. He

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<v Speaker 1>not only didn't work on his studies, he actively worked

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<v Speaker 1>with some of his friends to disrupt class. Eventually, the

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<v Speaker 1>Imperial Lise sent Louis d'lfberthion a letter very similar to

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<v Speaker 1>the one that he had received from the previous school.

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<v Speaker 1>They had been able to deal with his behavior until

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<v Speaker 1>an incident in which Alfonse, who this sounds wild to me,

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<v Speaker 1>had been secretly making hot chocolate in his desk with

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<v Speaker 1>the spirit lamp for himself and his friends started a fire.

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<v Speaker 1>But then, when he was confronted about it with literal

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<v Speaker 1>smoke coming out of his desk, instead of opening the

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<v Speaker 1>desk and revealing what had gone on, he hit his

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<v Speaker 1>teacher over the head with a book that ended his

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<v Speaker 1>formal education. But this happened just as the Frank Oppression

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<v Speaker 1>War began, so it's also possible his education would have

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<v Speaker 1>been put on hold then. Anyway, he managed, how it

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<v Speaker 1>is unclear, to take and pass the baccalaureate examination in

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<v Speaker 1>science and Literature on his own a couple of years later,

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<v Speaker 1>at the age of twenty. Alphonse wanted to sort of

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<v Speaker 1>bask in that accomplishment, but his father wanted him to

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<v Speaker 1>get a job, so much so that Luis Adolf found

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<v Speaker 1>one for him as a junior bank clerk. This went

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<v Speaker 1>about as well as you might think young person being

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<v Speaker 1>pushed into a job by their parent. It's unclear exactly

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<v Speaker 1>how this posting ended for Alphonse. It was a short

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<v Speaker 1>lived situation, though. Next Alfonse was sent to England with

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<v Speaker 1>the hope that some time abroad would mature him, and

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<v Speaker 1>he found London to be a bit alienating. He noticed

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<v Speaker 1>immediately that people stared at him just when he was

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<v Speaker 1>walking around, and one of his friends, who was also

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<v Speaker 1>French but living in London, explained that it was because

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<v Speaker 1>he dressed like a Parisian and that set him apart

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<v Speaker 1>from the rest of London. He wanted to revamp his

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<v Speaker 1>wardrobe to try to blend in better, but Louis Adolph

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<v Speaker 1>refused to send him money for that, so the normally

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<v Speaker 1>pretty aimless Adolf Bertillon suddenly was hunting for jobs, and

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<v Speaker 1>he landed a position teaching French for very low pay

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<v Speaker 1>at a collegiate school. This was really challenging because he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't really speak English much at all at this point,

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<v Speaker 1>but he did manage. He next moved to a position

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<v Speaker 1>as a private tutor, and he started to suggest to

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<v Speaker 1>his family that maybe after he was done in London.

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<v Speaker 1>He would go to university in England or in Scotland,

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<v Speaker 1>but his father did not want to spend the money

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<v Speaker 1>to enroll him in a university given his education history.

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<v Speaker 1>Al Fose moved on to another job, teaching French and

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<v Speaker 1>London until he was recalled to his home country for

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<v Speaker 1>military service in the ongoing Francoprussian War. In eighteen seventy five.

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<v Speaker 1>He became part of one hundred and thirty ninth Regiment

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<v Speaker 1>stationed in Rome, which is right in between Vichy and Lyon.

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<v Speaker 1>He was moved at some point from an infantry to

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<v Speaker 1>a clerical role, and also decided that when he was

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<v Speaker 1>done he would go to medical school, so he started

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<v Speaker 1>to use this downtime in the service to study medical texts.

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<v Speaker 1>He became fascinated specifically with the skeleton. In a biography

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<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen fifty six, author Henry T. F. Rhodes

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<v Speaker 1>states that even at this early point, Bertillon was quote

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<v Speaker 1>devoted to and almost obsessed with a specialized problem. This

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<v Speaker 1>was the dimensions of the human skeleton. That fascination with

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<v Speaker 1>the human skeleton would feed into the way that Bertion

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<v Speaker 1>eventually made a name for himself. But before we get

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<v Speaker 1>to that we'll pause for a sponsor break. After his

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<v Speaker 1>military service, Berthion returned to Paris, and while deciding what

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<v Speaker 1>his next move would be. Because it turned out he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't end up wanting to go to medical school, he

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<v Speaker 1>got typhoid fever and that delayed any plans that he

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<v Speaker 1>may have had in mind. But he may have also

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<v Speaker 1>been starting to panic a little at how far behind

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<v Speaker 1>his brothers and friends he was in terms of a career,

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<v Speaker 1>so he asked his father to help him again. Al

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<v Speaker 1>Foals was able to get a job working for the

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<v Speaker 1>police department of Paris as a records clerk with the

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<v Speaker 1>help of his father. He started in that job on

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<v Speaker 1>March fifteenth of eighteen seventy nine, and the twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>year old Bertien found that he had walked into a

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<v Speaker 1>mess of disorganized records. One of the biggest problems is

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<v Speaker 1>hard to imagine happening today. Police in France and a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of other parts in the world had a hard

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<v Speaker 1>time knowing if somebody who was brought in on an

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<v Speaker 1>arrest or even sentenced to jail time, had a prior

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<v Speaker 1>criminal record. There were forms that were filled out every time,

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<v Speaker 1>but a combination of corruption sloppy practices and lying on

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<v Speaker 1>the part of detainee meant that those forms were largely meaningless.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of this just wound up coming down to

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<v Speaker 1>whether a police officer remembered a suspect from a previous offense.

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<v Speaker 1>Adding to that, everybody seemed to include their own set

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<v Speaker 1>of information on any intake documents, and there wasn't a

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<v Speaker 1>set list of criteria that was supposed to be used.

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<v Speaker 1>Before the eighteen thirties, that had been standard practice in

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<v Speaker 1>France to brand criminals, so it was easy to see

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<v Speaker 1>if somebody had been arrested before that was finally recognized

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<v Speaker 1>as inhumane and stopped, and nothing had really been developed

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<v Speaker 1>to identify repeat offenders in place of this branding, and

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<v Speaker 1>so this is, you know, forty some years later, that

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<v Speaker 1>they're still having all of these problems. After the branding

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<v Speaker 1>was outlawed, thank goodness and al false, Bercielle decided that

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<v Speaker 1>he would just restructure the whole system, and on October first,

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen seventy nine, exactly two hundred days from the day

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<v Speaker 1>he began the job, Bertion submitted a report to his boss,

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<v Speaker 1>Monsieur Antrieu, the Prefect of Police. This was a preliminary

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<v Speaker 1>version of the system that he would eventually develop, but

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<v Speaker 1>he had devised a way to uniquely identify people in

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<v Speaker 1>a large group through a systematic series of measurements of

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<v Speaker 1>their bodies. Bertillon had figured out a way to plug

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<v Speaker 1>those measurements into formulas that could sort people into various

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<v Speaker 1>groupings of similarities and then make that data accessible and

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<v Speaker 1>searchable in a way that a person could process a

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<v Speaker 1>newly arrested suspect and then check pretty easily to see

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<v Speaker 1>if that person had a prior record. For a very

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<v Speaker 1>simplified example, Bertillon had made an initial sorting of all

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<v Speaker 1>the records by head measurements, so you would need to

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<v Speaker 1>measure the person in question and then see if you

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<v Speaker 1>needed to look in the cards that were small, medium,

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<v Speaker 1>or large, and so that already eliminated two thirds of

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<v Speaker 1>the possible options. The remaining one third would then be

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<v Speaker 1>separated in a similar way by the next measurement, and

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<v Speaker 1>so on and then so on again, so you might

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<v Speaker 1>arrive at kind of a subdivision of people who had

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<v Speaker 1>the same forearm length from elbowcrease to wrist, all grouped together.

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<v Speaker 1>There would be a card for each of those people

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<v Speaker 1>in a set that match those measurements, and a police

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<v Speaker 1>officer would use that measurement to find the card set

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<v Speaker 1>and then sift through just a couple a dozen cards,

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<v Speaker 1>not all the cards, to see if the same suspect

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<v Speaker 1>had been previously booked or incarcerated. I feel like this

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<v Speaker 1>is sort of a dichotomous key for humans. If anybody

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<v Speaker 1>remembers that from like biology class, additional measurements could be

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<v Speaker 1>searched the same way to cross reference and verify the

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<v Speaker 1>identity of the person at hand. The entire system was

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<v Speaker 1>predicated on Bertillon's realization that no two people would have

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<v Speaker 1>all identical measurements. Uh. I will say this sounds maybe fiddley,

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<v Speaker 1>but it sounded completely cocka mamy to Prefect Andreelle. Also

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<v Speaker 1>that no two people having all identical measurements did come

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<v Speaker 1>back to bite him. We'll get to that. Bercion was

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<v Speaker 1>really disappointed that his superior did not see the functionality

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<v Speaker 1>of this system, so he decided he would further refine

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<v Speaker 1>it over the next six weeks, and then he submitted

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<v Speaker 1>an updated version of the report, hoping that this time

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<v Speaker 1>it would convince Andreau of its value. This time, he

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<v Speaker 1>was told very clearly the police had an established record

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<v Speaker 1>keeping method and it was fine. And in response, Alfonse

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<v Speaker 1>Bertillon told his superior that the system was actually a

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<v Speaker 1>mess and of little practical use. It probably went over

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<v Speaker 1>really well, but because he was a new clerk who

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<v Speaker 1>had no prior experience in the field, he was told

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<v Speaker 1>to simply drop it. And because his father had been

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<v Speaker 1>the one to get him that job, Louis Adolph Bertillon

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<v Speaker 1>got another letter about his son, this one suggesting not

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<v Speaker 1>that he was unfocused or high spirited like the ones

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<v Speaker 1>he had received when Alfonse was in school. This one

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<v Speaker 1>suggested pretty bluntly and kind of grossly that there might

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<v Speaker 1>be something actually wrong with Alphonse, mentally like maybe your

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<v Speaker 1>kids should get treatment. But once Alfalse showed his father

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<v Speaker 1>what he had been working on, the Elder Bertion totally

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<v Speaker 1>understood it, and he had some insights into why other

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<v Speaker 1>people might not. Initially, this combination of statistics with physiological

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<v Speaker 1>analysis had never been used in quite this way. It

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<v Speaker 1>was complex, but it did really make it possible to

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<v Speaker 1>find existing information about a person if they were in

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<v Speaker 1>the records, and to build up his database of cards,

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<v Speaker 1>which got pretty large. Bertion had visited prisons and took

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<v Speaker 1>measurements of inmates as well as taking the measure of family,

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<v Speaker 1>friends and associates, so he had a pretty big data

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<v Speaker 1>set that he could show, hey, look this works. This

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<v Speaker 1>use of anthropometry not just the measuring of the human

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<v Speaker 1>but the study of those measurements was not a new concept.

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<v Speaker 1>It's still used for a variety of applications today. It

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<v Speaker 1>is a study that has a lot of problematic issues

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<v Speaker 1>in its history because often the data collected had been

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<v Speaker 1>used to try to make connections about race and behavior.

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<v Speaker 1>The pseudosciences of phrenology and physiognomy are based on it,

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<v Speaker 1>and there have been many, many, many anthropologists over the

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<v Speaker 1>years who have announced incorrect, generalized conclusions about groups of

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<v Speaker 1>people using anthropometry as their evidence. Today this is mostly

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<v Speaker 1>used for things like designing seats for cars and airplanes,

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<v Speaker 1>for things like clothing size for manufacture. But in the

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen eighties, Bertanil was not trying to use interpretive analysis

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<v Speaker 1>to suggest that people with measurement X were more likely

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<v Speaker 1>to commit a certain type of crime, although the system

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<v Speaker 1>did get used that way by some police departments. We

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<v Speaker 1>have talked about that on the show recently. He was

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<v Speaker 1>just trying to show that no, two people would have

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<v Speaker 1>the exact same data set, and that if you set

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<v Speaker 1>up a system correctly, you could use their unique profile

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<v Speaker 1>to search for them in a big system. This also

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<v Speaker 1>has some problems to talk about in a bit. They're

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<v Speaker 1>different problems though than trying to say that you can

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<v Speaker 1>tell whether somebody is a criminal by what their head is,

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<v Speaker 1>Like yeah, and he even said as much in an

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<v Speaker 1>interview with prior podcast subject Ida Tarbell at one point

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<v Speaker 1>like no, no, no, that's not what this is for.

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<v Speaker 1>You cannot make the connection that like a man with

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<v Speaker 1>blue eyes will do X, Y or z, Like this

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<v Speaker 1>is literally just to find people, although he was also

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<v Speaker 1>aware that people were going to make those jumps, and

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<v Speaker 1>although Alphos's organizational system was not getting any recognition at work,

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<v Speaker 1>with his father's encouragement, he continued to refine it on

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<v Speaker 1>his own time. He had a growing collection of measuring tools,

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<v Speaker 1>and he made continuously updated records of himself and other volunteers.

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<v Speaker 1>The list of measurements eventually included the length and width

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<v Speaker 1>of the head, the length of the middle finger, the

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<v Speaker 1>length of the left foot, and the length of the

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<v Speaker 1>forearm from elbow to the end of the middle finger.

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<v Speaker 1>There were also notes recorded of body shape, any scars, tattoos,

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<v Speaker 1>or other unique identifiers, eye color, hair color, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>listed as like hair quality. It sort of comes down

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<v Speaker 1>to like hair texture and like is it thick, is

0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:28.080
<v Speaker 1>it thin? Is it curly? Is it not. He also

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<v Speaker 1>included a fairly new technology, which was photography. We've talked

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<v Speaker 1>about the history of photography many times on the show before,

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<v Speaker 1>so this is not really new information. The de geratype

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<v Speaker 1>was introduced in eighteen thirty nine, four decades before this

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<v Speaker 1>work by Bertillon, and in those four decades it had

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<v Speaker 1>progressed considerably. It still was pretty new though. The first

0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:54.600
<v Speaker 1>mass market camera was still about ten years away, and

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<v Speaker 1>there was already photography in use in police precincts, but

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't really commonplace. Bertil felt that his measurement system

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<v Speaker 1>would be even more useful if he could attach standardized

0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:11.040
<v Speaker 1>photos to the records. He established measured distances from the

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<v Speaker 1>chair that the subject was seated into the camera, and

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<v Speaker 1>the full front and full side angles they would be

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<v Speaker 1>photographed from. This system, known as portrait parlai, is considered

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<v Speaker 1>the invention of the mug shot. If you've ever seen

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<v Speaker 1>old mugshots, from Europe in particular, in which there were

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<v Speaker 1>what looked like rulers and calipers and things like that

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<v Speaker 1>to position the subject's head. That's because they're using the

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<v Speaker 1>bertail age system, or a variation of it. He had,

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<v Speaker 1>in the meantime, not for this work, gotten a promotion

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<v Speaker 1>from being a junior clerk, but he was still kind

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<v Speaker 1>of used as a pain in the neck and an

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<v Speaker 1>outsider within his department. He did his job and was

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<v Speaker 1>apparently pretty good in terms of work ethic, but he

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<v Speaker 1>did not really make any friends at the police department.

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<v Speaker 1>But he was befriended by a young woman by chance.

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<v Speaker 1>When crossing the street one day, she asked him if

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<v Speaker 1>he would help her cross because she was nearsighted and

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<v Speaker 1>she was afraid of traffic, and he obliged, and once

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<v Speaker 1>they had crossed, they introduced themselves to one another. Her

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<v Speaker 1>name was Amelie Otar and she had recently moved to

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<v Speaker 1>Paris from Austria. When she mentioned she earned a living

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<v Speaker 1>giving German lessons, al Fall said he had always wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to learn German. That was a complete lie. He hated

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<v Speaker 1>that subject in school. As he was feeling stagnant in

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<v Speaker 1>his job. Bertillon wrote a book to occupy himself during

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<v Speaker 1>his time, and this book was titled Le Ras sauvage

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<v Speaker 1>or The Savage Races. Holly didn't find a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>information on this book's specific contents, but it's usually dismissed

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<v Speaker 1>as a messy, poorly researched title that was more of

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<v Speaker 1>Bertillon's musing on things he didn't have a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>exposure to than on any kind of actual scientific exam

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<v Speaker 1>of anything. Also, based on its title, seems like it

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<v Speaker 1>must have been incredibly racist. This book did not do well,

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<v Speaker 1>but he had dictated it to Amalie and the two

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<v Speaker 1>of them had become very close, and soon she was

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<v Speaker 1>taking notes for him regularly. I did find, i should say,

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<v Speaker 1>French language versions of it, and my French is okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but not really good enough to plow through a book

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<v Speaker 1>of pseudo information of me, like fake scientific search. So

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<v Speaker 1>just if anybody's like I found this book, well yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but not an English language version for good reason, I imagine.

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<v Speaker 1>Not long though after the publication of this book, his

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<v Speaker 1>boss Andreau retired and the new prefect, whose name was Cemcas,

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<v Speaker 1>had heard of Bertion's project, and unlike his predecessor, he

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<v Speaker 1>was really interested in it, and he gave Bertillon a

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<v Speaker 1>chance to prove that this system would work. He had

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<v Speaker 1>three months to do it, with the help of two

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<v Speaker 1>assigned clerks, and he had to find at least one

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<v Speaker 1>repeat offender in the system through his method. It took

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<v Speaker 1>some time, but eventually he did manage to match a

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<v Speaker 1>newly arrested man with a previous visit to the Paris

0:23:10.280 --> 0:23:14.359
<v Speaker 1>police department. The timing of that first match in February

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen eighty three, was unfortunately overshadowed by the death of

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<v Speaker 1>Alfonse's father, Luis Adolph. Despite that loss, eighteen eighty three

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<v Speaker 1>was pivotal for Bertillon in more positive ways. He built

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<v Speaker 1>on that first success by identifying more and more recidivists

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<v Speaker 1>in the police records, and he proposed to and married Amili,

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<v Speaker 1>who had been an important part of his efforts. She's

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<v Speaker 1>said to have compiled more than seven thousand of the

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<v Speaker 1>cards used for this system. She had, by all accounts, beautiful,

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<v Speaker 1>easily legible writing, so she really made the whole system

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<v Speaker 1>easier for users. By the end of eighteen eighty three,

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<v Speaker 1>Bertillon had identified forty nine duplicate offenders in the Parisian

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<v Speaker 1>police bureau records. By the end of eighteen eighty Fourertion's

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<v Speaker 1>process had identified two hundred and forty one repeat offenders.

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<v Speaker 1>This was all proof enough for his prefect to start

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<v Speaker 1>instituting the system officially. Bertion was tasked with getting a

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<v Speaker 1>department up and running, and police staff from other countries

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<v Speaker 1>soon were visiting Paris to learn this system and bring

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<v Speaker 1>it back to their own offices, and Bertion had some

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<v Speaker 1>very high profile successes. His system was used to identify

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<v Speaker 1>an anarchist who was plotting a bombing, as well as

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<v Speaker 1>a man who had faked his own death and then

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<v Speaker 1>continued to commit crimes. An eighteen eighty six article ran

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<v Speaker 1>in papers around the US titled identifying Prisoners, and it

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<v Speaker 1>announced the new system as a triumph. It read, in

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<v Speaker 1>part quote, the latest method of identifying prisoners which has

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<v Speaker 1>been introduced into France by Monsieur Alfonse Bertian, and which

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<v Speaker 1>is now successfully practiced not only in the chief French prisons,

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<v Speaker 1>but in Russia and Japan. As well as the exact

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<v Speaker 1>measurement of the prisoner on his arrival at the jail,

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<v Speaker 1>a photograph is also immediately taken, and by these means

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<v Speaker 1>the many mistakes which have been made by a trusting

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<v Speaker 1>photographer only are avoided. In eighteen eighty eight, France had

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<v Speaker 1>established its Bureau of Identification, with Alphonse Bertillon as its director.

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<v Speaker 1>Bertion's career was clearly taking off, but his arrogance was

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<v Speaker 1>about to trip him up. We'll talk about his involvement

0:25:24.720 --> 0:25:27.480
<v Speaker 1>in the Dreyfus affair after we hear from the sponsors

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<v Speaker 1>that keep stuff you missed in history class going. As

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<v Speaker 1>use of bertillonage began to spread, there were naturally detractors.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the biggest early criticisms was simply disbelief that

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<v Speaker 1>there couldn't be duplicate people within the system. In a

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<v Speaker 1>statement in eighteen ninety three, Bertillon said, quote the ideal

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<v Speaker 1>card of the average man more exactly than Frances banand

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<v Speaker 1>that is to say, individual in whom all the measurements

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<v Speaker 1>correspond exactly to the average dimension, quite simply does not exist.

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<v Speaker 1>It is never found even in the most central section

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<v Speaker 1>of my cabinets. There are, of course, cards which approach

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<v Speaker 1>this ideal configuration, but the related measures never approached each

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<v Speaker 1>other so closely that they can be confused. That assertion

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<v Speaker 1>would be proven wrong. There were other issues with the system,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're going to get to them in a moment.

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<v Speaker 1>But here's the thing. Bertillon was stubborn when it came

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<v Speaker 1>to criticism. He was terrible at hearing anybody criticize his work,

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<v Speaker 1>and he always insisted that the critic was the one

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<v Speaker 1>in the wrong. Bertion's arrogance caused a great deal of

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<v Speaker 1>harm when he was asked to consult on the case

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<v Speaker 1>of Captain Alfred Dreyfus, which we've covered on the show

0:26:50.480 --> 0:26:54.920
<v Speaker 1>as a two parter the short version. Dreyfus was tried

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<v Speaker 1>for selling military secrets to Germany in eighteen ninety four.

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<v Speaker 1>A key piece of evidence in this trial was a

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<v Speaker 1>handwritten document which contained information about state secrets and their sale,

0:27:08.119 --> 0:27:11.760
<v Speaker 1>and Bertil was asked to analyze the handwriting. Now, he

0:27:11.840 --> 0:27:15.159
<v Speaker 1>was not a handwriting expert, but his reputation had become

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<v Speaker 1>so well known for his police work that people thought

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<v Speaker 1>he was the obvious choice. In the six years since

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<v Speaker 1>the Bureau of Identification had been formed, he had developed

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<v Speaker 1>other means of using his mathematical formulas to measure both

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<v Speaker 1>people in evidence, and he thought he could similarly use

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<v Speaker 1>it to analyze handwriting. And this was disastrous. Bertillon undoubtedly

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<v Speaker 1>biased by anti Semitism, which was an enormous problem in

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<v Speaker 1>France at the time, determined that Dreyfus, who was Jewish,

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<v Speaker 1>had forged his own handwriting in an effort to conceal

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<v Speaker 1>his involvement in this traitorous sale of state secrets. He

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<v Speaker 1>explained to the court at the trial that Dreyfus had

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<v Speaker 1>formed the letters using a square grid as the first

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<v Speaker 1>disguise passed, and then worked from that version to make

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<v Speaker 1>a bad copy of his own writing. Bertil may have

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<v Speaker 1>believed that he had figured out a criminal mastermind's method,

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<v Speaker 1>but what he really did was get a totally innocent

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<v Speaker 1>man exiled to Devil's Island and spark an enormous cultural

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<v Speaker 1>rift and giant anti Semitic backlash in France. But even

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<v Speaker 1>when new evidence came to light indicating that the real

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<v Speaker 1>trader was Ferdinand Walsen Esterhousi, including a confession, and not Dreyfus,

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<v Speaker 1>Bertillon continued to vehemently assert that Dreyfus had to be

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<v Speaker 1>the guilty party. His testimony during Dreyfus's second trial was

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<v Speaker 1>described this way by a member of the press. Quote

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<v Speaker 1>now and again, Monsieur Bertillon's voice rose in hateful shrieks.

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<v Speaker 1>There were interludes when he clenched his fist, struck the bar,

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<v Speaker 1>swearing that Dreyfus was the trader. The voice rang out

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<v Speaker 1>with passion and excitement. You beheld in him, the man

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<v Speaker 1>vain unto madness, with confidence in his atrocious fantasies. He

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<v Speaker 1>was at last taking his revenge for all the insults

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<v Speaker 1>of those who had called him a fit subject for

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<v Speaker 1>an asylum of the insane. Bertillon never conceded that he

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<v Speaker 1>had been wrong in this matter, even after real handwriting

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<v Speaker 1>experts had proven his conclusions and his methods false, and

0:29:31.360 --> 0:29:35.640
<v Speaker 1>he proclaimed this correctness even to his deathbed. While this

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<v Speaker 1>scandal caused them damage to his reputation as a handwriting expert,

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<v Speaker 1>and his work had contributed made in a major way

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<v Speaker 1>to a very real crisis, the family cost was greater.

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<v Speaker 1>Alphonse's brother, Jacques, also a well respected statistician, was married

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<v Speaker 1>to Polish physician Caroline Schultz. Caroline was Jewish, and Jacques

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<v Speaker 1>was so upset by Alpha Vonse Bertillon's insistence that Alfred

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<v Speaker 1>Dreyfuss must be guilty that these two brothers had a

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<v Speaker 1>massive falling out and they did not speak for years.

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<v Speaker 1>Over time, the bersionage method was recognized as having problems.

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<v Speaker 1>From the very beginning of it being put to practical

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<v Speaker 1>use in police departments around the world, its flaws became

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<v Speaker 1>more and more apparent. For one thing, there were a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of devices that needed to be acquired and then

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<v Speaker 1>maintained and constantly calibrated for measuring. For another, there was

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<v Speaker 1>significant training needed for implementation. Any clerk or officer who

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<v Speaker 1>was going to use those many devices and tools needed

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<v Speaker 1>fairly advanced instructions on how to use them, and different

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<v Speaker 1>users would often return different measurements of the same subject.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes the same user would return different measurements on the

0:30:48.920 --> 0:30:53.040
<v Speaker 1>same subject if they took a second set. Bertillon, as

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<v Speaker 1>he always did, denied all of this, stating that quote,

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<v Speaker 1>anyone who is not an imbecile could learn to measure

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<v Speaker 1>in five minutes and never forget the process. This system

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<v Speaker 1>also did not really account for things like the way

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<v Speaker 1>a person's body changes as it ages, so as a

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<v Speaker 1>subject aged, it was less and less likely that they

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<v Speaker 1>would match up with a Bertillon card from their younger years. Additionally,

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<v Speaker 1>incidents started to pop up where two different people were

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<v Speaker 1>identified as the same person, something that Bertillon had insisted

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<v Speaker 1>was not possible. By the end of the nineteenth century,

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<v Speaker 1>as finger printing started to be adopted by many law

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<v Speaker 1>enforcement offices, the Bertillon system, which had briefly been hailed

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<v Speaker 1>as a revolutionary tool, started to fall out of favor.

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<v Speaker 1>Did not take long after its introduction. Bertillon had initially

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<v Speaker 1>rallied against the use of fingerprints, although over time they

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<v Speaker 1>started to be included with Bertillon cards in police files.

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<v Speaker 1>The mug shot, however, with its standard front and profile

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<v Speaker 1>images that's endured despite the scandal of the Dreyfus affair.

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<v Speaker 1>Bertillon continued to be given awards for his work criminology,

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<v Speaker 1>and he continued in his work until in nineteen thirteen,

0:32:04.560 --> 0:32:09.200
<v Speaker 1>he began to experience the sensation of being extremely cold

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<v Speaker 1>at all times. He could not seem to get warm

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<v Speaker 1>no matter what amount of heat he was exposed to,

0:32:15.120 --> 0:32:19.000
<v Speaker 1>and he shivered constantly. He was also starting to have

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<v Speaker 1>trouble with his eyesight. After he was diagnosed with pernicious anemia.

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<v Speaker 1>His younger brother George, donated blood for a transfusion, and

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<v Speaker 1>initially this helped a great deal, but the effects wore

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<v Speaker 1>off and he needed a second and then a third transfusion,

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<v Speaker 1>and George was the donator on all of it, so

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<v Speaker 1>it was taking a toll on him as well. He

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<v Speaker 1>kept working for months as this was going on, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's no denying that he was getting weaker and weaker.

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<v Speaker 1>In early nineteen fourteen, he was nominated for the Legendarner

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<v Speaker 1>Officers Rosette, but people were reluctant to give him this

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<v Speaker 1>award unless he met one condition. An emissary was sent

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<v Speaker 1>to Bertillon's home, where at this point he was having

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<v Speaker 1>to stay in bed, and told him that he would

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<v Speaker 1>receive this award only if he retracted his assertion that

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<v Speaker 1>Dreyfus had written the document known as the Bordereaux, which

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<v Speaker 1>had been a key component of that case. Bertil reportedly

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<v Speaker 1>yelled no at the visitor repeatedly. That was the end

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<v Speaker 1>of that. On February thirteenth, nineteen fourteen, alse Bertigon fell

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<v Speaker 1>into a coma. He died at eleven PM and was

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<v Speaker 1>buried at Perlischez Cemetery. In the September nineteen fifteen edition

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<v Speaker 1>of the Journal of the American Institute of Criminal Law

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<v Speaker 1>and Criminology, lawyer and author Raymond B. Fosdick wrote quote

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<v Speaker 1>in the death of Alphonse Bertillon in February nineteen fourteen,

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<v Speaker 1>the anthropometric method of identification probably suffered its final blow.

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<v Speaker 1>For a decade, his prestigian personality were the only supports

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<v Speaker 1>of a system that in Europe at least, had been

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<v Speaker 1>fast losing ground. Persistently, even stubbornly, he endeavored to save

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<v Speaker 1>the method would was the product of his genius and

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<v Speaker 1>which bore his name, But he lived to see it

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<v Speaker 1>discarded in nearly every country in Europe except his own,

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<v Speaker 1>and even in France. Now that the weight of his

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<v Speaker 1>influence and his really compelling personality are gone, it is

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<v Speaker 1>doubtful whether his system of identification will be continued. One

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<v Speaker 1>of the issues that arises when looking at Bertillon's life

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<v Speaker 1>is that there are some big gaps in the information.

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<v Speaker 1>One cause was that his wife Emily and her grief

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<v Speaker 1>destroyed a lot of his papers after he died. As

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<v Speaker 1>a consequence, we really don't know a whole lot about

0:34:35.120 --> 0:34:37.279
<v Speaker 1>his personal thoughts on a lot of the events that

0:34:37.360 --> 0:34:41.520
<v Speaker 1>took place during his life. His actions and behaviors once

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<v Speaker 1>he started on the system that would be the basis

0:34:43.680 --> 0:34:46.400
<v Speaker 1>of his life's work show a man that was driven

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<v Speaker 1>by our pursuit of the truth, but also distracted from

0:34:51.360 --> 0:34:54.680
<v Speaker 1>that truth by Hubris. Perhaps the best summation of the

0:34:54.719 --> 0:34:58.880
<v Speaker 1>complicated Bertillon was written by Richard Fairbrother and Julian Champkin

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty fourteen for the periodical Significance, in which they

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<v Speaker 1>said he was quote passionate about measuring everything that could

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<v Speaker 1>be measured and some things that could not really be measured.

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<v Speaker 1>Besides ah false, Bertillon, you are a quandary. I will

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<v Speaker 1>talk so much about the various ways he has discussed

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<v Speaker 1>in our Behind the Scenes on Friday, but in the

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<v Speaker 1>meantime I want to talk to you about Stroganoff. This

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<v Speaker 1>is from our listener Chelsea, who writes, Dear Holly and Tracy,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to begin by thanking you both for such

0:35:37.280 --> 0:35:39.960
<v Speaker 1>a wonderful podcast. I've been a listener since the beginning,

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<v Speaker 1>and I have loved listening to the podcast mature and

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<v Speaker 1>grow over time with the two of you making it

0:35:44.719 --> 0:35:47.440
<v Speaker 1>your own. You've done such a phenomenal job of tackling

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<v Speaker 1>difficult and interesting topics, and I always can't wait to

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<v Speaker 1>hear what's next. This is a little late because I

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<v Speaker 1>listen exclusively when driving, so I'm always a bit behind sidebar.

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<v Speaker 1>You never have to apologize. We suffer the same problems

0:35:59.200 --> 0:36:02.239
<v Speaker 1>when we're going about our lives. We fall behind on

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<v Speaker 1>the things you love all the time. Chelsea continues, I

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<v Speaker 1>just listened to your Oops All Noodles episode, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was excited that you were covering beef stroganoff. My husband

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<v Speaker 1>and I have had a long standing disagreement about how

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<v Speaker 1>to make stroganoff, going back to the beginning of our marriage.

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<v Speaker 1>He does the majority of the cooking since he's better

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<v Speaker 1>at it, but stroganoff is something that I feel confident about.

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<v Speaker 1>The First time I made it, he couldn't believe I

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<v Speaker 1>was adding tomato paste and leaving out the mushrooms because

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like them. He thought that was absolutely ridiculous

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<v Speaker 1>because his recipe uses paprika instead. He claimed that adding

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<v Speaker 1>tomato paste and emitting mushrooms change the intent of the dish.

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<v Speaker 1>I said this was how I learned to make it,

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<v Speaker 1>and that I would stick with what I know. This

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<v Speaker 1>has become such an inside joke between us that now

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<v Speaker 1>years later, when we're meal planning for the week, if

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<v Speaker 1>stroganov is suggested, it becomes an entire family discussion about

0:36:50.719 --> 0:36:54.160
<v Speaker 1>are we making moms stroganof or Dad's strogan Off, complete

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<v Speaker 1>with a lot of knowing glances and the kids taking sides.

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<v Speaker 1>Imagine my delight when you said that tomato panes was

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<v Speaker 1>added as an ingredient in the early nineteen hundreds. It

0:37:03.280 --> 0:37:06.200
<v Speaker 1>was so great that I shouted ha while driving. I

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<v Speaker 1>was in the middle of dropping one kid at preschool

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<v Speaker 1>and driving to volunteer at the other kid's school, but

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<v Speaker 1>I had just enough time to swing by home and

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<v Speaker 1>interrupt my husband working in his home office with a

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<v Speaker 1>triumphant I was right. I love this so much. Once

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<v Speaker 1>he understood what I was talking about, he asked me

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<v Speaker 1>to cite my sources. He knew he couldn't argue with

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<v Speaker 1>me when I told him I heard it from you,

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<v Speaker 1>because he was the one who originally insisted I listened

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<v Speaker 1>to the podcast. He did want to make it known

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<v Speaker 1>that he was also right about the mushrooms. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for always adding knowledge and delight to my drive. I've

0:37:38.640 --> 0:37:41.880
<v Speaker 1>attached pictures of our dog, Carlton. He is twelve and

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<v Speaker 1>has always been a crabby old man dog who just

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<v Speaker 1>wants to lie in the sun or be under a

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<v Speaker 1>pile of blankets. Cheers, Chelsea. Okay, first, of all, Carlton

0:37:49.640 --> 0:37:53.080
<v Speaker 1>is hilarious and adorable. I love a grumpy dog there.

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<v Speaker 1>He's so cute. I want to scoop him up and

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<v Speaker 1>kiss him, and he'd be like, please do not. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's the saying that I discovered too when

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<v Speaker 1>doing the Stroganoff research, is that there are a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of different versions because it propagated throughout the world and

0:38:07.719 --> 0:38:10.279
<v Speaker 1>at different regions that different people created their own kind.

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<v Speaker 1>So in my opinion, there's no wrong kind of stroken off. Ever.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not a tomato paste person, but if you are

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<v Speaker 1>and you love that, awesome. I'm like heavy on the

0:38:21.280 --> 0:38:25.040
<v Speaker 1>sour cream and mushrooms person on that one. But I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just glad that everybody is cooking delicious things and that

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<v Speaker 1>it is something that they are good naturedly poking fun

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<v Speaker 1>at each other about, not an actual argument. If you

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<v Speaker 1>would like to write to us about the way you

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