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Speaker 1: Ron An Indian Final.

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Speaker 2: These are the voyages the Car Doctor.

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Speaker 3: It's five year mission to explore strange new words, to

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Speaker 4: New life and new civilizations.

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Speaker 2: To both if they go when no one has gone

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Speaker 2: before ron An Indian Spock it looks befuddled, and McCoy says,

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Speaker 1: And Spock lays.

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Speaker 5: Out all his problems and McCoy says, well, you're just

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Speaker 5: gonna have to guess. And it just makes me giggle

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Speaker 5: every time, because sometimes you have to guess when it

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Speaker 1: Fixing a car.

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Speaker 4: I'm a doctor, not I'm a caddy.

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Speaker 2: That car doctor.

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Speaker 5: Take your long screw driver, nothing wrong with it. Listen

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Speaker 5: to My dad fixed many of DC three during World

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Speaker 5: War Two with long screw drivers. Take that and go

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Speaker 5: listen to the camera, so you know what kind of

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Speaker 5: a click you're listening for. Right, let's learn how to

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Speaker 5: fix cars on the good car before we go over

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the radio home of ron Andania the Car Doctor.

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Speaker 2: Since nineteen ninety one, this is where car owners the

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Speaker 2: world overturned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair.

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Speaker 2: If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up

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Speaker 2: the phone and call in the garage doors are open, but.

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Speaker 5: I am here to take your calls at eight five

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Speaker 4: Hundred and now it is a good day to die pee.

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Speaker 5: And sometimes it's not a guess. Sometimes what of repair

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Speaker 5: is a very exact science, and it's a very methodical,

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Speaker 5: proven time and time again procedure, and had to properly

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Speaker 5: diagnose and repair that vehicle. We had a twenty sixteen

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Speaker 1: It seemed that.

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Speaker 5: The rear wiper, the rear wiper arm would not park

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Speaker 5: It was this side, that side straight up. Sometimes it

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Speaker 5: parked down. It just it had a mind of its own. Now,

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Speaker 5: wiper motors, you say, well, how complicated could this be.

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Speaker 5: It's just a wiper motor. It's on off, fast, slow, intermittent.

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Speaker 5: You know's what's there to it? If this was thirty

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Speaker 1: But it's not.

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Speaker 5: It's a modern day vehicle. That wiper motor is on

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Speaker 5: the CANbus, it's on the data network.

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Speaker 1: It's it's being.

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Speaker 5: Controlled by a module, by a computer to run wipers. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: so you have to go through the drill. And as

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Speaker 5: strange as it sounds, the first step in diagnosing that

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Speaker 5: rear wiper motor was to scan it for codes. No

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Speaker 5: I've got an inoperative device. I've got a control device

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Speaker 5: scan for codes. And sure enough, there were fault codes

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Speaker 5: for things like the RJB, the right junction box. There

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Speaker 5: There were different fault codes that indicated, hey, maybe we've

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Speaker 5: got a network problem. First time I'd ever seen this car.

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Speaker 5: So I don't know complete history. I don't know who's

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Speaker 1: Just I'll say like this.

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Speaker 5: I just listened to an addition of Classic Car Doctor,

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Speaker 5: the podcast board, you know, from ten years ago, and

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Speaker 5: I was working on a late eighties Ford Fairmont that

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Speaker 5: Same thing with this Mini Cooper. It's it's a procedural thing,

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Speaker 5: Well, this one was kind of different. I think this

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Speaker 5: how do you take that wiper motor apart, because it's

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Speaker 5: I knew it was a wipermoter. Well, I'm glad you knew,

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Speaker 5: Don't be so positive, because you know, one of these

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Speaker 5: up paying for two repairs because naturally mechanics don't make

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Speaker 5: they need a wipeermoter. Anyway, the car was eight years

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Speaker 1: So just be aware.

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Speaker 5: That's that's the way auto repair is. It's a methodical,

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Speaker 5: to do. Suffice it to say. So, anyway, I have

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Speaker 1: Look at this. I'm not used to this.

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Speaker 5: I'm looking across the glass and there's actually a body

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Speaker 5: in my glass. What happened here, professor.

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Speaker 3: Well, my internet at home decided to crash and burn

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Speaker 5: Tom Tom came charging in here about forty five minutes ago,

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Speaker 5: you know, and look the power of technology, right, And

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Speaker 1: It had come back at home lovely and now.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, these are brand new glasses, so

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Speaker 3: it's goodn't bad because I can see you, which is

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Speaker 5: You know, we want to see We want to see

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Speaker 5: what's going to happen today, because before the show, not

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Speaker 5: only did Tom's internet crash, but Tom was looking at

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Speaker 5: a clock I have here in studio, and I said, now, Tom,

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Speaker 5: I'll get you one. I went out on Amazon and

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Speaker 5: I went to order it, and when I opened up

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Speaker 3: And when I got here into the studio, we had

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Speaker 3: no audio through the speakers, and it was working right

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Speaker 3: before I walked in, and somehow the speakers got turned down,

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Speaker 3: and neither one of us knows how that happened.

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Speaker 5: You know, the only commonality here is Tom. So far

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Speaker 5: all three incidents you were involved in, all three.

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Speaker 3: So what can I tell you.

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Speaker 5: I might have to get you purged today anyway, eight five, five, five,

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Speaker 5: six zero nine nine zero zero running any of the

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Speaker 5: car doctor here with the always wonderful to have him,

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Speaker 5: Tom Ray, we'll both be back right after this. Don't

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Speaker 5: go away, whether it's a little red Corvette or you go.

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Speaker 3: You've come to the right place to get that car fixed.

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Speaker 3: Ron and Andy in the car Doctor eight five five

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Speaker 3: five six zero nine nine zero zero.

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Speaker 5: Now back to Ron, Hey, let's get on over until Oh,

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Speaker 5: let's go to John and Virginia. John in Virginia. Welcome

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Speaker 5: to the Car Doctor, sir. How can I help?

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Speaker 4: Hey?

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Speaker 6: Ron? How you doing great? A couple of months ago

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Speaker 6: I found an unmodified, pilot owned garage kept two thousand

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Speaker 6: and eight Shelby GT. Five hundred Mustang with two thousand

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Speaker 6: miles on it, sitting in an air conditioned garage in Arizona,

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Speaker 6: The cars gorgeous, looks like new, smells like new, not

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Speaker 6: works as it should precisely, except Fruce control won't turn

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Speaker 5: So in other words, right, this has this has a

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Speaker 5: You're gonna set that master on switch. Now. That master

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 6: I pulled the clutch switch out and I read it

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Speaker 5: Okay, so before where we go there, do you own

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Speaker 6: That's one of the reason I'm calling I do not.

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Speaker 5: Right, So this because this is a drive by wire vehicle,

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Speaker 4: It is.

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Speaker 6: It goes straight from the switches through the clock strain

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Speaker 5: Right, So it's all on the canvas. It's all on

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Speaker 5: And I could see that. I could see that looking

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Speaker 5: want to see a step on the brake, Yes, no,

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Speaker 5: you buy even in two thousand. This is in two

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Speaker 5: The reason I want to do that is because it

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Speaker 6: So I have the factory shop manuals. When I look

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Speaker 6: every function speed up, speed down, cruise control on, cruise

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Speaker 5: Correct, But understand, if the PCM thinks there's a problem

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Speaker 5: it's it's kind of like somebody's telling you what to do.

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Speaker 1: Uh no, you don't want to do that, right, right,

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Speaker 5: Okay, but you know it's it's it's so yeah, we're

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Speaker 5: It'll it'll have that authority. So you know, that's where

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Speaker 6: Right at this point, you've recommended the Launch scanners before.

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Speaker 6: That's still worth recommended.

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Speaker 5: I think I think the Launch provides a lot of

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Speaker 5: used snap on scanner.

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Speaker 1: See what's out there.

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Speaker 5: You don't need anything obviously, you know, updated to the

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Speaker 5: And I think when you buy a scan tool, the

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Speaker 5: to really try it. You know, what do you connect with?

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Speaker 5: No pun intended? You know what what makes sense to you?

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Speaker 5: It's it's sort of like, you know, I always think

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Speaker 5: It's ages old now, but when I first started doing

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Speaker 5: There was books and books and books about it, but

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Speaker 5: Snap On's good. Launch is good. You know you want

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Speaker 5: the electrical options that I'm sure this GT five hundred has,

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Speaker 5: you know, so and just real quick, you went through

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Speaker 5: all the fuses related to that cruise control circuit, right, Okay.

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Speaker 6: I did, Okay, what price range on my in on

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Speaker 5: Three grand oh boy, yeah right, oh yeah, it's hey.

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Speaker 5: You know what, So you want to be an auto mechanic. Huh.

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Speaker 5: Imagine filling up a shop on an everyday basis and

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Speaker 5: that becomes a whole other project. So but that's where

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Speaker 5: and enjoy the car, and you know, try not to

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Speaker 5: welcome back. I'm run a Nannie in the car doctor.

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Speaker 5: Let's go over and talk to Jeff in Virginia. Jeff

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Speaker 1: Jeff. It is a new world.

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Speaker 4: Good morning. Thank you for taking my Yes, it's been

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Speaker 4: If I don't press, it's not there. But if I

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure.

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Speaker 5: Okay, while the engine is running, well, let me say

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Speaker 5: This is a vacuum right, a break booster. If you

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Speaker 5: it and run the vehicle, now it's going to be

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Speaker 5: Have you tried that?

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Speaker 4: I have not tried that.

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Speaker 5: Okay, it sounds like you've got a diaphragm that's starting

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Speaker 5: like this. If you disconnect the booster right right, vehicles

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Speaker 1: Be right right, it's.

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Speaker 5: It's and it doesn't whistle. What else is left. It's

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Speaker 5: the booster underload. At that point when you've got vacuum.

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Speaker 4: Some kind of a weird problem with the check valve.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's a little hard to get it to

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Speaker 4: kind of pop. I did check it, and it does

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Speaker 5: Could take the can you take the vacuum line off

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Speaker 4: And my wife's got a Jaguar I don't think that's

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Speaker 4: that's not gonna work.

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Speaker 5: So you could you could you know, do you have

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Speaker 5: a local AutoZone? Yes, Well, once you run down there

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Speaker 5: and you know it's probably cheap enough by a quick

439
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Speaker 5: check valve, probably under five bucks, you could diagnose it

440
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Speaker 5: once you once you established that it doesn't happen with

441
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Speaker 5: the hose disconnected, the engine running right and you step

442
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Speaker 5: on the brake. Now, obviously when you disconnect it, you're

443
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Speaker 5: gonna have to plug that end, you know, stick your

444
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Speaker 5: thumb over it or you know, some some kind of

445
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,159
Speaker 5: a quirk or something, uh, you know, and just and

446
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 5: just stop it because it's gonna leak and run lean

447
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 5: and it'll stall. But you know, it's the idea that

448
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 5: I think it's got to do with the booster underload.

449
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,720
Speaker 5: I've seen this over the over my career that they

450
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Speaker 5: they get they get a little flaky, there's something inside

451
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Speaker 5: that's distorted and it just a piece of rubber is

452
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Speaker 5: moving around and it gets in a position where similar

453
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Speaker 5: to when you would put a blade of grass between

454
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Speaker 5: your two thumbs and blow through them at summer camp.

455
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Speaker 5: I don't know if you guys did that. I don't

456
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Speaker 5: know if you guys did that in Virginia. We did

457
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Speaker 5: that in a jersey but you know it was a

458
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Speaker 5: Jersey thing. But uh, you know it'll make that weird

459
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Speaker 5: vibrational squeak or whistle.

460
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Speaker 1: And you know, I think that's where you're going.

461
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Speaker 4: So, so one quick question. Even if there's a hole

462
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Speaker 4: in the diaphragm, I mean, it doesn't feel like my

463
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Speaker 4: break is mushy or not a hole?

464
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Speaker 5: Not a hole, not a hole. Yeah, I'm not saying

465
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Speaker 5: it's a hole. I'm saying it's just enough that you know. Now,

466
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Speaker 5: the other thing that would be kind of neat to

467
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Speaker 5: look at is and this will sound strange, but I

468
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Speaker 5: would get out a scan tool you want, you want

469
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Speaker 5: to try and experiment, bring it up on ob D two.

470
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Speaker 5: Look at look at fuel trim, basic fuel trim. Okay,

471
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Speaker 5: I want to know if when you push in the

472
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Speaker 5: brake to the point where it whistles, does fuel trim change?

473
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Speaker 4: Ah?

474
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Speaker 1: Right, because that's airting.

475
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Speaker 5: Right in theory that the theory would hold, I'd still

476
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Speaker 5: I'd still like to put more. Listen, sometimes you just

477
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 5: gotta have fun fixing cars. I'd still put more. I

478
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 5: still put more stock in disconnecting it cap in the

479
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Speaker 5: line and stepping on the pedal the noise is gone,

480
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Speaker 5: then it's the booster. But you know, does does fuel

481
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Speaker 5: trim get it to change? And that's how you understand

482
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Speaker 5: how systems work.

483
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Speaker 4: All right, well, I appreciate it. I'll get a new

484
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 4: check valve. If that doesn't work, well, I can plug

485
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,919
Speaker 4: the line right if it goes away, then I know

486
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Speaker 4: it's easy as a booster or the check valve or

487
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Speaker 4: the diaphragm.

488
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Speaker 5: Diaphrag And then when you're down it, when you're down

489
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Speaker 5: at AutoZone, you can price out a new booster and uh,

490
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Speaker 5: you know, see if door list makes a replacement part

491
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Speaker 5: for that, and if they do, I'd have no problem

492
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Speaker 5: putting one of those on it, and you'll be good to.

493
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Speaker 4: I really enjoy spending three I go toem.

494
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Speaker 5: Well, you know, I understand that, but look at it.

495
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 5: Look at it this way. With the extra money, you

496
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 5: can take your wife out to dinner and she'll be happy.

497
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 5: And remember, if MoMA's not happy, ain't nobody happy.

498
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Speaker 1: So all right, brother, I appreciate it. You're very welcome.

499
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 1: You're very welcome. You'd be well to.

500
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think we all know that story. Hey,

501
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 5: did you see in the This is in the news, Tom,

502
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 5: I'm reporting the news. I want to state I'm only

503
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Speaker 5: reporting the news, and I'm not stating anything related to

504
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Speaker 5: a current political, possible motive, environment, climate, or the positioning

505
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Speaker 5: of evs.

506
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Speaker 1: Is this all the news that's fit to print?

507
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Speaker 5: This is all the news that's fit to print and

508
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Speaker 5: not be talked about the Texas Grid. This came into

509
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Speaker 5: us this morning. The Texas Power Grid warns of possible

510
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Speaker 5: early power emergency next week. The Texas Electrical Grid warned

511
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Speaker 5: of a possible emergency early next week because of a

512
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Speaker 5: potential shortfall of power reserves. Don't send me the hate mail, folks.

513
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Speaker 5: The Electric Reliability Council of Texas, otherwise known as ERCO

514
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 5: at Erkele or Erko Erko Erkele was the kid on

515
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Speaker 5: family matters. That's a whole nother story the Electrical The

516
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 5: Electric Reliability Council of Texas said Friday the grid may

517
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 5: have deficient reserves from April twenty ninth at seven pm

518
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 5: Central Time through May burst at nine pm Orcott Orcott

519
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 5: Orcott made the layer cancel planned power outages and may

520
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Speaker 5: need to show up available supplies by about twenty eight

521
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Speaker 5: hundred megawatts. They said they've issued warnings based on its

522
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 5: analysis of various scenarios, but they don't reflect and expected deficiency.

523
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 5: The Grid Group warned of a similar emergency this month,

524
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Speaker 5: and even though the Grip Grid ultimately dodged that Shultz shortfall,

525
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 5: spot power prices jumped to more than four thousand dollars

526
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 5: in megawatt hour to reflect tight conditions. So Texas may

527
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 5: have an electrical power supply problem and it's not even summer.

528
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 5: It's only April into May. Yeah, okay, I'm not saying

529
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Speaker 5: that's indicative of anything wrong with the automotive industry or

530
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Speaker 5: what we're trying to do. I think it's wonderful. I'm

531
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Speaker 5: ronnin Andy and the Car Doctor smiling and have BEU

532
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 5: relishing my day, and I'll be back right after this.

533
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 5: Welcome back, Running in the Car Doctor. We're here at

534
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Speaker 5: eight five five five six zero nine nine zero zero,

535
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Speaker 5: here to take your calls and answer your questions. Keep

536
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Speaker 5: in mind that phone number is twenty four to seven.

537
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 5: Call at any time. If we're not live on the

538
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 5: air like we are Saturday afternoons two to four pm

539
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Speaker 5: Eastern time, we will call you back. Leave a message

540
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 5: there's an opportunity there to leave a message and Tom

541
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 5: Ray or one of our other Abu Boty the assistants,

542
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Speaker 5: we'll give you a call back and get you in

543
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 5: the next live que. And keep in mind we are

544
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Speaker 5: doing some tapings on Wednesday night. We like to tape

545
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Speaker 5: questions on Wednesday night. We actually talked to a few

546
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,679
Speaker 5: people this past Wednesday. Well you'll hear them in an

547
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 5: upcoming show. And we're trying to do a taping session

548
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 5: Wednesday nights because we know some of you middle of

549
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 5: the week you can't wait till the weekend kind of

550
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 5: a thing. And we're getting so many questions we're just

551
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 5: trying to keep up with the demand. So always that

552
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 5: opportunity too. And if you just call the eight five

553
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 5: to five five six zero nine nine zero zero number,

554
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 5: leave a message, or if you go out to cardoctorshow

555
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 5: dot com, there's a contact form there. You can fill

556
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 5: that out and say, hey, I want to talk to

557
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 5: Ron Wednesday night. You know, follow the form, we'll get

558
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 5: you in the queue and we'll do that so quick.

559
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 5: Piece of email. This comes to us from Bill in

560
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 5: White House Station, New Jersey, and I think I answered

561
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 5: this to Bill directly, but I wanted to put it

562
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 5: up on air also, so on the chance that maybe

563
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 5: I'm repeating myself, you know, But I don't think so.

564
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 5: I think this is the first time I'm talking about

565
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 5: it here on here, Hey, Ron, this is Bill from

566
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Speaker 5: White House Station. I have a two thousand and four

567
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 5: PT Cruiser with twelve thousand miles on its second owner

568
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 5: at nine thousand, four years ago on an antique car tour.

569
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Speaker 5: I was discussing this. Wait a minute, an four PT

570
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 5: cruiser is now on an antique car tour. Yeah, I

571
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 5: guess it would be.

572
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Speaker 1: That's twenty years that's twenty one years old.

573
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 5: Oh my god, just think a PT Cruiser is the

574
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 5: muscle car of this generation.

575
00:27:59,720 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: Wow.

576
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 5: Wow, that Camaro is looking a lot better every day.

577
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 5: I was discussing this with a friend of mine who

578
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 5: has his own garage. He suggested that I should change

579
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 5: the timing belt based upon age, which makes sense. I

580
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 5: have seen that they have been extending the mileage interval.

581
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 5: I was wondering what your thoughts were aged twenty years

582
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Speaker 5: versus twelve thousand miles. Possibility of a conundrum. I like

583
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,439
Speaker 5: that word conundrum, Bill, You know, Bill, And as I answered,

584
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 5: it to you personally, I'm going to answer it up

585
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 5: here on air. Age becomes a factor. Tires wear out

586
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 5: from sitting. Look, if we sat in a chair for

587
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 5: twenty years, we're getting twenty years older and we're aging,

588
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 5: all right. And if the tires and the tires on

589
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 5: that car, you wonder are they original? You know, have

590
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 5: they been changed? If you're just driving it now, you

591
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 5: know how old are the tires. You've got to see

592
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 5: if there's a date code on them. If the tires

593
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 5: are original, they've got to go. Tires six seven years.

594
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Speaker 1: That's it. You're done.

595
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 5: And the same thing with a lot of and all

596
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 5: of the rubber components, not a lot, all of the

597
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 5: rubber components. If that timing belt is original, which I'm

598
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 5: betting it is, as I said to you, then you

599
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 5: know what, Tommy, bel it's got to go at ages.

600
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 5: It's a piece of rubber. It's going to age, just

601
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 5: like the tires, just like everything else. You're driving a

602
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 5: car that old and you want to avoid the possibility

603
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 5: of breakdown in an antique car tour or even just

604
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 5: running down to the local market. You know what, it's

605
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 5: a great car, but let's go through it. If it's wet.

606
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 5: Change it all the fluids all right, coolant, engine oils

607
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 5: and no brainer transfluid, break fluid, you know, and let's

608
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 5: change rubber components, SYRP belt, timing belt. Uh, you want

609
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 5: to put a water pump in it?

610
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:33,239
Speaker 1: I don't know.

611
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 5: I probably would just because it's twenty years old. And

612
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 5: if I remember right, oh four oh four, I got

613
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 5: to go back and look. But there was an issue

614
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 5: with Chrysler where they issued a redesigned plastic timing cover

615
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 5: and you could buy it as part of a kit

616
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 5: and installed that whole cover because they had problems with

617
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 5: the covers would warp and twist and break, and they

618
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 5: had an issue. But it's a good time before before

619
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Speaker 5: you start to really get into the car to you know,

620
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 5: spend a little money on it. And this way you're

621
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Speaker 5: not going to break down on the side of the road.

622
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Speaker 1: Number one.

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Speaker 5: Number two driving an older car. If you're going to

624
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Speaker 5: keep an older car for the duration to go along

625
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Speaker 5: with it. As we like to say, getting parts now

626
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 5: when it's twenty years old might be easier than getting

627
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 5: parts when it's twenty five years old when something fail.

628
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 5: So it's easier to deal with now than it is later,

629
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Speaker 5: and at least then you're safe and you're not on

630
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Speaker 5: the side of the road somewhere. So I vote for

631
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Speaker 5: changing it. And I told you that when when we

632
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Speaker 5: did our private email exchange as well, because there's nothing

633
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 5: like driving a safe, maintained automobile rather than being the person.

634
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Speaker 1: And I don't understand that.

635
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Speaker 5: I look at you know, every once in a while,

636
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 5: I go out on the internet and I'll jump into

637
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 5: forums and with an alias, you know, nobody sees the name.

638
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 5: And I don't know that I'm that recognizable, but I

639
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 5: just don't want anybody to recognize me where they might.

640
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 5: And I look at some of the comments about people

641
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 5: driving cars longer on this on fluid changes. People, I've

642
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 5: got ten years on my battery, and you know what,

643
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 5: you're the dope that's on the side of the road

644
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 5: on Memorial Day weekend, stuck because the car broke down

645
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 5: because the battery didn't start, because you know, the engine failed,

646
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 5: because maintenance puts the odds in your favor. That's the

647
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 5: bottom line, and that's what you got to remember about

648
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 5: taking care of a car. I understand the cost factor.

649
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 5: I understand some of the other things that people complain about.

650
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 5: But the point becomes an automobile, I don't care how

651
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 5: complicated or simple it is, is nothing more than a machine.

652
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 5: And it still needs regular maintenance on a regular basis

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Speaker 5: from somebody that knows what they're doing. And that's that's

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Speaker 5: an irrefutable fact. Proved me wrong. Eight five five five

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Speaker 5: six zero nine nine zero zero. I'm ron an Any

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Speaker 5: and the Car Doctor. I'll be back right after this

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Speaker 5: and welcome back once again, listeners, ronin Ady and the

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Speaker 5: Car Doctor at your service. Let's close out this hour

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Speaker 5: talking about, well, something similar to what we talked about

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Speaker 5: at the beginning, and this comes to his courtesy from

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Speaker 5: All Data and it's from their technical library, and how

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Speaker 5: a vehicle goes into LIMP mode twenty eighteen fort f

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Speaker 5: one fifty with four wheel drive and the customer stated

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Speaker 5: that the cluster and radio go dead and the automatic

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Speaker 5: transmission goes into limp mode. And you say, well, gee,

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Speaker 5: you know, where do you start?

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Speaker 1: Where do you begin?

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Speaker 5: And during the course of the diagnosis, the technician working

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Speaker 5: on this vehicle pulled codes and it had it had

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Speaker 5: all data bus codes.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 5: We were talking at the beginning of the show about

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Speaker 5: the Mini Cooper with the wiy permotor issue. Well, here's

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Speaker 5: one where the technician had you three hundred U three

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Speaker 5: thousand control module FU U four fifty two invalid data

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Speaker 5: U one forty loss communication with body control module P

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Speaker 5: seventy six high speed vehicle observed in park, which is

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Speaker 5: sort of impossible, right, use zero one hundred loss communication

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Speaker 5: with ECM. And then the final was the B twelve

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Speaker 5: forty six, which was a problem in the information and

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Speaker 5: entertainment system. So because there were so many trouble codes,

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Speaker 5: the article from All Data goes on to say, the

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Speaker 5: technician thought it best he called All Data tech assists

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Speaker 5: for a little guidance. The tech assist consultant All Data

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Speaker 5: provides a technical hotline service with their program advice to

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Speaker 5: clear all the codes and see which ones return. And

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Speaker 5: I understand that because they're looking to see what's got

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Speaker 5: specificity or what's got authority over everything what comes first.

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Speaker 5: And they did that, they tried duplicating the issue, and

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Speaker 5: at that point they could then begin to disconnect modules

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Speaker 5: to see if what returned to normal. And as he

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Speaker 5: did as advice, he cleared all the codes, he was

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Speaker 5: able to reproduce the issue. When the truck was called

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Speaker 5: and he noticed a buzzing noise that he traced down

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Speaker 5: to the trailer brake control module. He disconnected, and all

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Speaker 5: the symptoms disappeared in the vehicle operator as normal. You know,

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Speaker 5: I'm always telling you about you know, it's like a

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Speaker 5: game of telephone with cars today, the one telephone brings

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Speaker 5: the whole network down in the house all the telephones

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Speaker 5: stopped working, or the one bad computer brings the entire

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Speaker 5: computer network down. Cars are the same way. And the

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Speaker 5: article this tech assist tip from All Data proves that.

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Speaker 5: And you know, thanks to some excellent troubleshooting on All

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Speaker 5: Data's part and their technicians part, they were able to

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Speaker 5: bring this vehicle to a swift conclusion and you know,

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Speaker 5: make everybody aware.

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Speaker 1: And that's the point of this that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, sometimes it's it's a step by step thinking process,

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Speaker 5: not necessarily replacing something until you know, obviously, but disconnecting something.

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Speaker 5: And that's that's a diagnosis. Okay, that's that's a routine procedure,

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Speaker 5: a methodical procedure that you're going step by step.

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Speaker 1: To come to some sort of a positive conclusion.

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Speaker 5: And obviously the vehicle ended up being fixed. And you'll

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Speaker 5: find more information out at all data dot com in

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Speaker 5: their technical library.

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Speaker 1: Again thanks to them and excellent, excellent article. Well I

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Speaker 1: enjoyed that story.

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Speaker 5: I'm ronning ay in the car doctor saying gee, thanks,

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Speaker 5: it was a great fun being with you all today

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Speaker 5: until the next time, reminding you once again good mechanics

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Speaker 5: aren't expensive, they're priceless.

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Speaker 1: See you