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Speaker 1: This is Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous in Depth. Hello, everyone,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Almost of His podcast. Today is a

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Speaker 1: very special edition because we have Aaron on Aaron Clancy

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Speaker 1: to discuss this time in Paradise and all the rumors

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Speaker 1: that are going around via reality Steve so Um, Ben,

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Speaker 1: would you like to do the honors of bringing Aaron

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Speaker 1: into the room. I would love to Aaron. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Almost Famous podcast. Thank you for having me. Aaron,

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Speaker 1: you're here today. You've been pretty quiet since Paradise. Is

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Speaker 1: this your first interview? This is yeah, this is my

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Speaker 1: first interview since Paradise. Well, the elephant in the room

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Speaker 1: is obviously that Genevieve was just on UM last week,

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Speaker 1: and uh, you know, our theme, especially coming off a Paradise,

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Speaker 1: there's been a lot of wild storylines, uh, coming post

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Speaker 1: Paradise ice that we didn't necessarily get to watch during

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Speaker 1: Paradise has been this Aaron. Just let you know, Ah,

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Speaker 1: there's always three versions of the truth. There's my truth,

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Speaker 1: there's your truth, and then there's the truth. And so

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Speaker 1: our goal, uh is just to hear your story, to

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Speaker 1: hear um and to also ask you some of the

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Speaker 1: questions that were obviously brought up during the interview with Genevieve,

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Speaker 1: and then some of the questions have been brought up

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Speaker 1: post show from Reality Steve and other UM networks. Those

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Speaker 1: things need to be confronted or they just sit out

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Speaker 1: there and people assume their own things. And so thanks

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Speaker 1: for joining us, Thanks for letting this be your first interview. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: of course, that's why I'm here definitely to uh to

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Speaker 1: you know, you know, share my share my truth here

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Speaker 1: for sure. Should we just start with Paradise for a sect,

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Speaker 1: I guess I, um, yeah, let's let's talk about the moment,

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Speaker 1: the the itch versus moments, because that was like, well,

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Speaker 1: that was a big fight that kind of led to

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Speaker 1: the end. Right, We've looked it up, Aaron and An

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Speaker 1: apparently is not pained, So so okay, yes, and I

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Speaker 1: looked it up like six months ago, right as well. Um,

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Speaker 1: so all the people bombarding me via social media like

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Speaker 1: I know, okay, I was wrong, I I So that's

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Speaker 1: something I learned in school. Now the thing is behind

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Speaker 1: the scenes, obviously, there's a lot of interactions people don't see. Um,

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Speaker 1: I'm allergic to bug bites, like mosquito bites. I got

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Speaker 1: bit by a spider. Um, my legs swelled up. I

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Speaker 1: was on antibiotics and I was also pad on paradise. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was. I was taking a la sick medication to

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Speaker 1: like drain my ankle. It's like a water pill. Um.

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Speaker 1: So I was seeing the doctor every day and I

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Speaker 1: was itching incredibly right, and then I just my mind

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Speaker 1: was painful. I remembered back, Okay, now we have more context,

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Speaker 1: well my earlier days in school. Um and and uh

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Speaker 1: I brought that up seemingly super random obviously archaic research

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Speaker 1: so it wasn't the best mood. I was hobbling around

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Speaker 1: I regret the whole thing. Obviously. It was just so dumb. So,

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Speaker 1: I mean, Paradise seems like the worst place for you,

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Speaker 1: and you've done it twice now, right, it does not

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Speaker 1: seem like a very good place for me now. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But bugs everywhere, I mean, all actually talks about when

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Speaker 1: we get into the nitty gritty of Paradise is the

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Speaker 1: bugs flying around the creatures that exist in your bed,

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Speaker 1: you go down there allergic to this, It makes sense

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Speaker 1: now that you got what kind of bug bite was it? Dude?

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Speaker 1: So I don't know, Um they So the first bug

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Speaker 1: leg swung up though. Yeah, so the doctor was like,

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Speaker 1: is going to chrotic, you gotta, you know, leave right

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Speaker 1: and so um they put me on a bunch of

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Speaker 1: antibiotics kind of right away, and and and and it helps.

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Speaker 1: So that's why I didn't leave. But I grew up

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Speaker 1: I didn't know I was allergic till my first time

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Speaker 1: experiencing pain from a bite from an itch. Yeah, well

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Speaker 1: like like thirteen bites at that point. Yeah, because I

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Speaker 1: I didn't break out in a bunch of acting. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I hear these stories, I'm like, I was so glad

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Speaker 1: that they asked me to lead this show for a season,

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Speaker 1: so I never well, I guess that doesn't always discount

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Speaker 1: and my mom's from the Caribbean too, which is uh,

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Speaker 1: so you wouldn't think you would think I'd be resistant

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Speaker 1: or something penetically, but but no, it's I can't handle

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Speaker 1: just what a start to the podcast, I mean, just

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Speaker 1: learning new things every day about you, Aaron. Um, I

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Speaker 1: mean I felt like I was maybe silly bringing up

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Speaker 1: the best. Sometimes my behavior can be up and down,

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Speaker 1: but I'm always honest, so I'll tell you what you

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Speaker 1: want to hear. Okay, well, let's talk about just your

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Speaker 1: relationship in general. Genevieve in Paradise was tumultuous, was always

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Speaker 1: the end, Because I'll just say it, when you come

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Speaker 1: breaking up with her when it was bad, or you

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Speaker 1: guys breaking up in general. I guess when it's bad,

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Speaker 1: simply not the case. Like realistically, Genevieve and I, you know,

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Speaker 1: and try to learn how to communicate with her better.

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Speaker 1: There's some very like i'd say, simple straightforward questions. I

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Speaker 1: In real life, I don't get mad very often. UM.

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Speaker 1: I'm someone that like will leave the room as opposed

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Speaker 1: I get like upset to I can be kind of condescending.

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Speaker 1: I definitely need to change for sure. Um. And that's

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Speaker 1: But regardless, not neither one of those was true. The

428
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 1: first one is disproven by that text messages. The second

429
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,479
Speaker 1: one is disproven by the fact of everything I just

430
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: said and the list out the timelines. I have my

431
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 1: own receipts for everything too, and like I don't. I

432
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 1: don't like to share text messages without consent of both parties,

433
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,679
Speaker 1: and to me, it's just like lighting more of a fire.

434
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 1: But realistically, neither one of those things was true. So

435
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 1: then when was the last time you saw a girl

436
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 1: A in person? Literally like like, um, oh, I actually

437
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 1: did see her at a festival. She's she's dated two

438
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 1: people since and she had a boyfriend and I saw

439
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: he at a festival like walked by, but that was

440
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: in um, that was after that was realist um a

441
00:24:47,840 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 1: few months ago. Let me like at the straight So

442
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 1: it sounds like girl A maybe wasn't in a relationship

443
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: with you while you went into Paradise, So she's not

444
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: so much annoyed at the fact that you went to

445
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 1: Paradise as much as it was like you were dating

446
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 1: somebody at the same time, and it wasn't dating someone

447
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: at the same time, but what she was. But that's

448
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:25,880
Speaker 1: what she said. Yes, she was. She was mad because

449
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: she wasn't over it and I moved on and she

450
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 1: what she did was essentially just lash out of me.

451
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,199
Speaker 1: What brought on the breakup conversation that you had with

452
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,719
Speaker 1: girl A, I, Well, I said it like essentially, there

453
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,400
Speaker 1: was a few things, but she's young, she's twenty three, right, Um,

454
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: and the main issue I had was when she didn't

455
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: get something she wanted or we had a disagreement. What

456
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 1: she did was she she started rumor I was gay,

457
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 1: and she bullied me in a in a bar like

458
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 1: like she was screaming like they was screaming that I

459
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 1: was a homophobic slayers like that's not something that's acceptable.

460
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: UM's specially because she apologized to me. I would use

461
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 1: a long apology text too, because it was something that

462
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 1: was just like literally a rumor she started because she

463
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: was upset with me. So you had an ending conversation, Um, yeah, yeah,

464
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 1: we definitely did. We. I literally have screenshots with that

465
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 1: as well. I have everything in my computer. You should

466
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: send us the screenshots. I don't. Yeah, I can send you. Yeah,

467
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: let's not. I don't need to get involved in. You

468
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,199
Speaker 1: can send Ashley like I can send. I know, I

469
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,199
Speaker 1: know you're you're playing Devil's Advocate a little bit here.

470
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: I can send you screenshots, but I just don't want

471
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 1: them like out necessarily. Well I won't. I won't put

472
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: them out there, but I would like to see for

473
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: proof for myself actually loves this. Well. Um, okay, so

474
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,120
Speaker 1: the timeline makes sense to me what you're telling us.

475
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: Just to recap it for everybody listening, you were dating

476
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 1: um girl A. Uh that ended Uh let's say close

477
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 1: in January. You and girl B had already been friends.

478
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: You guys start romantically like being interested in each other

479
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: following that relationship with the girl A. That girl relationship

480
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: with a girl A just to confirm had been over.

481
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 1: It's done. You removed this. There was no crossover. You're

482
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 1: saying there was no crossover now and also, uh, like again,

483
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 1: no crossover just because I wanted to avoid bad negative feelings,

484
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: but realistically I wasn't we were never in a relationship

485
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: as well with anyone. I was never in a relationship

486
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: with anyone. It's it's just like, how do you define

487
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 1: a relate? How do you define a relationship? Like do

488
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 1: you like to have the conversation like we're girlfriend and boyfriend? Yes,

489
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: and also um, like there has to be communication about

490
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: um where we are like, so yes, I would like

491
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: to have the conversation. But also there is always a

492
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: conversation about if we're seeing other people who were like

493
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: communicating with etcetera. This girl a when we were seeing

494
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 1: each other, she went to a loom with um, a

495
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 1: whole group of of guys and girls. And I wasn't there.

496
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 1: And I wasn't even at her birthday dinner. I wasn't

497
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 1: invited by her friends. Like I'm we weren't We weren't

498
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,439
Speaker 1: even far along at all. For like, it just doesn't

499
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: it just doesn't make It doesn't make sense. So Aaron

500
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: within all of this because the timeline doesn't make sense.

501
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 1: You guys, girl be that relationship did not last long.

502
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: It doesn't sound um at all. Well, no, girl be, no,

503
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 1: haven't you been seen with her recently at your birthday

504
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: party over the fall? So my birthday party was in September. Yes,

505
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: so I um, I coming so coming back, Like I said,

506
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: she's been my friend for four years. Um, she is

507
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: in the same friend group in a lot of respects.

508
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: Initially when I came back, she didn't want to talk

509
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: to me because, um of the text messages you all

510
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: saw when you know I happened to see her because

511
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: we're all in the same friend group. Let me just say,

512
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: in the text messages that are posted to Reality Steve,

513
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: she says, um, like something along the lines of like

514
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: oh I won't be talking to him when he returned

515
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: or something like that. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So it was

516
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: I mean, like at the end of the day, like

517
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: it played on the insecurities that were already existing. Um,

518
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: so she she didn't essentially want to see me because

519
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: it was just believed blindly. Um. And and then when

520
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: I did see her, I've I realized how like what

521
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: was happening. I showed her my own receipts, and then

522
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: it fixed the situation, Like the whole thing was manipulated

523
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: to to destroy that relationship. And girl A was texting

524
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: me saying she's not over it, wants to see me.

525
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: Let's get coffee. And so it's like, realistically, she was

526
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: trying to destroy relationship with Girl B and then slide

527
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: in probably I don't know, but but the whole thing

528
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: is just manipulation. And and then once that was seen,

529
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: the like we were cool again, you know. So where

530
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: does the relationship exist now with girl Be? Um? So

531
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: that's really complicated. I'm not gonna lie. Um, and it's

532
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: something I don't necessarily want to put out there in

533
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: the public right now. Um, because there's been like she's

534
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: not on the show. I made a choice, even though

535
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: I didn't know exactly what the guy was doing, to

536
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: put myself in the public eye by going on this show. Um,

537
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: she didn't and this has been a huge violation of

538
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: her privacy already. UM, and I don't I don't want

539
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: to continue that. And so what we can take from

540
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: this is that, Um, Girl Be, I knew you were

541
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: going on the show. You guys had dinner. Uh, she

542
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: was okay with you going on Paradise. Um, you came

543
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: back from Paradise, she was really upset with you. Doesn't

544
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: want to talk to you. You guys have reconciled that,

545
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: and at least today you on speaking terms can we

546
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: say that is that fair? Yeah, I mean we're beyond

547
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: speaking terms. Where like we when we had dinner about

548
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: going to Paradise, she obviously want to hear that there

549
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: are feelings there, but we're friends and we're not. Like

550
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: there's a shelf life in this, in this whole thing.

551
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: And uh, they wanted me on Paradise, you know, they

552
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: try to sweeten the pot, you know, make it very

553
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: appealing for me to go. Um and and with her

554
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: like there we were barely talking for again after a

555
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: huge blowout fight for like like a couple of days.

556
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: Like that's not something like you can sacrifice the opportunity

557
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: for in my in my opinion, and she agreed with that. Um,

558
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: And then I went to give it a shot because

559
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: dating is very hard once you leave the show. I've found, um, like,

560
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: there's there's thousands of girls that message you or you

561
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: know that insecurity that can arise from people. You don't

562
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: ever know what people's true intentions are. So getting someone

563
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,239
Speaker 1: in a in a relationship with someone that understands from

564
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: that unique perspective and going on the show was like

565
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: it was just so appealing to me, Like I really

566
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: really wanted to make it work with someone that was

567
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: in the same world, because I just felt like that

568
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: would be that was the answer to finding someone to

569
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: have a long term relationship with. Well, you called Genevieve

570
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: a friend. When you broke up with her, he said,

571
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,479
Speaker 1: I see you was a really good friend and now

572
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: you're I said, well, that's not exactly what I said.

573
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: What I said was first and foremost, you're a great friend.

574
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: Because what I wanted to do was like she we

575
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: she's a she was a good girl. Like I viewed

576
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: her as a good person, and like, you can see

577
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: this girl's support people, Like, like, we didn't get along

578
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: that well, but from a support perspective, she's amazing. She

579
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: was helping everyone out. You know, she's a great friend

580
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: to people. And I didn't want her to I didn't

581
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: want it to be like negative, like like the bra cup.

582
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: I didn't want it to be a negative thing. I

583
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: just felt like it had gotten to the very end

584
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: and we still couldn't communicate, and so I wanted to

585
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: address the things that I saw in her that I

586
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: was really that that part of the reason why I

587
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: loved her so much, because it was like she is

588
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: kind and she's sweet, and she is a great friend

589
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: to people, and she supports myself included in a in

590
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: a lot of situations. So that's what I That's what

591
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: I was saying. I feel like maybe you use the

592
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: term friend sometimes with people who it's more than friends

593
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: with UM pretend I mean, potentially I can be guilty

594
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: of that. I'm not gonna I don't necessarily have a situation. UM.

595
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: Well that I guess that would mean like they have

596
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: another label, right, I don't know, like what you would

597
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: what you would use it, what you would say. Then

598
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: I guess I I use that as someone that UM

599
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: is close to me in in some sort of like connection.

600
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. So possibly the girls did think that

601
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: you were more than friends when you were well, they

602
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: knew we were more than friends. For sure, you were

603
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: more than friends, Like we were romantic, you know, Um,

604
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: there was never a miscommunication there, um in terms of

605
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: where we stood. It wasn't like I was calling one

606
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 1: of friends. So I could like feel less guilty about

607
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: seeing someone else, like realistically we were romantic and then

608
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,919
Speaker 1: we weren't at girlfriend boyfriend. We weren't committed at all.

609
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: You know. She has dated multiple people since, Like she

610
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 1: went to tuloom with the guy while we were seeing

611
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: each other that she saw afterwards. Um, so you know,

612
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: obviously I could have been something there, but that's not

613
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: something I was ever dwelling on because it was just

614
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: not where we were when you had dinner with girl,

615
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: um be talking about how you were going to paradise

616
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: and how she obviously was upset, Because yes, it does.

617
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: Even if you're not in a committed relationship. It's still

618
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: like hard but you're like crush you or like your

619
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 1: person with complicated feelings goes to paradise. I certainly had

620
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: a moment with high school girlfriends when I was the bachelor,

621
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: be like this is so odd, Like I don't think

622
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: it's like in ten years. Yeah, I totally understand that.

623
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: I'm glad we're finding some common ground. Yeah. Um, but

624
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: when when you had that conversation, was there like intention

625
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: to possibly rekindle things when you got back. No, No,

626
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: there wasn't like I've made up my decision, Like I

627
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: just felt just since she was so close to me, Um,

628
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: I had to keep that communication open. I just thought

629
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: it was inappropriate for her to find out with the

630
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: rest of America, you know, or whatever. So I wanted to.

631
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: There was no intention of rekindling. Um. There was the

632
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: intention of purely just open communication so that she wouldn't

633
00:35:50,480 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: be super upset when she saw me on the beach. Aaron,

634
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: there's one thing I have a massive problem with, sure,

635
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 1: And I just want to tell you because now, at

636
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: the time, because we're virtually talking to each other this

637
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: whole thing, right, it's impossible to um understand the emotions

638
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 1: and the feelings and how somebody felt about somebody and

639
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: what they were still holding onto and not holding onto. Right,

640
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: but giving your timeline, it makes sense to me, right

641
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: that that there laying out according to what you told us.

642
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: That makes sense on how this all existed. But then

643
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: this story gets released, UM, I don't know if you're

644
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: still paradise was airing when it gets released. It's obviously

645
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: hurtful for you, it's hurtful for the two other girls

646
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: involved them, assuming maybe not for the one that released them, Um,

647
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: but it's especially hurtful for Genevieve, who gave you her heart.

648
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 1: You know where you're going, I know where you're gone, Yeah,

649
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: go ahead. And she gave you her heart and she

650
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: believed in this. She was on the podcast there was

651
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,720
Speaker 1: obviously deep feelings that she had for you, real feelings

652
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: that she had for you. She believed this was a

653
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: real thing and that she wanted it to be a

654
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: real thing, and I would argue strongly that that is

655
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: how she felt. Um, so this gets done. And then

656
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: she tells us you haven't even spoken to her, like

657
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: you didn't pick up the phone and or that you

658
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: didn't call her, You didn't text her, you didn't say, hey, Genevieve,

659
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: I know this stuff's out here. Can I explain myself?

660
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: Can we meet up? Can I see you? Can I

661
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: try to calm the storm, not for my own to

662
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: save face, but for your heart and for your mind.

663
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: And so you haven't done that, and I don't know why.

664
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 1: So I'll stop you right here. I did. I did

665
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: do that. Actually, I'll send you the text. I that

666
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: she's the keeper of the text. That's fair. You're saying

667
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 1: that you texted her after the show. No, yes, I did,

668
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: and I said I heard that you heard enough. She

669
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: heard nothing from you until the union read. I'll read

670
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,439
Speaker 1: exactly what I wrote her, and then I won't read

671
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: exactly what she told me back, because that's just I

672
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,280
Speaker 1: don't want that. Yeah, I need the date on this though,

673
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,919
Speaker 1: is it so, Aaron? What Ashley saying is that she's

674
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,280
Speaker 1: in an understanding this happened after the reunion show, so

675
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,720
Speaker 1: that it didn't happen after okay. So but you didn't

676
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 1: talk to her for okay, you didn't talk to her

677
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: from there was there was no like we we had

678
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 1: left um and I didn't talk. I didn't. I wasn't

679
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: hoping to rekindle. Uh. So I didn't talk to her

680
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: until reunion, and then at reunion we were fine. Um.

681
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,439
Speaker 1: Like the whole thing is I reached out to her

682
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: um because I wanted to I at first. So at

683
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 1: first what I was told was when this rumor got released,

684
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: the first thing that producers do is like they kind

685
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 1: of reach out, and so they reached out essentially, and

686
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,439
Speaker 1: they told me she didn't care about it, So I didn't.

687
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: I didn't really care. But they did reach out after

688
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 1: the reunion, so it was kind of too late for everything, right,

689
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I would I honestly wish this came out

690
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: before the reunion, like to certain degrees, so I could

691
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: like I have addressed it and not have have gone

692
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: through this whole process. Like the thing that like the

693
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: truth will set you free, right and and like, at

694
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: the end of the day, it's completely d s and

695
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: so I'm more than happy talking about at length with

696
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: anyone that wants to. Um, I do want to move

697
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: on with my life to a large extent, so I

698
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: don't want to necessarily dwell on this. I don't want

699
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: to shoot shots at anyone. Um. I get hurt people,

700
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: hurt people. So I get a lot of what like

701
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: is coming from from her targeted at me could be

702
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,919
Speaker 1: just because she's upset with me, because she believes it, right,

703
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: I get that, And like I did want to give

704
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: her a call and talk about it one on one

705
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 1: versus social media or a podcast, right when she she

706
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: told me at the end of that text that she

707
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: doesn't want to listen to me on a call and

708
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: she doesn't want to talk to me. Right, unfortunate. I

709
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: did what I could. Um But so that's why I'm

710
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 1: going on this podcast to kind of set the record straight.

711
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,240
Speaker 1: But um but I did one reach out to her.

712
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: But the angle but okay, but the angle there was,

713
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 1: you know, your upset with Genevieve for bad mouth in you.

714
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: That's fair. Like, I don't like that. I don't want

715
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: anybody bad mouthing me. Actually knows how upset I get

716
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: when people say bad things. Yeah, I get, I get distraught,

717
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: I lose myself. Um, But the tone of even your

718
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 1: message to her, I would say, if we were buddies

719
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: and we were sitting in the same room and you're like, hey,

720
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,720
Speaker 1: I need a text, gene Vive, I need to explain

721
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 1: this to her, And I'm gonna say, Okay, what do

722
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 1: you want to tell her? And you're like, this is

723
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: the text I'm gonna send. I would have said no,

724
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: because that's not the purpose. The purpose is that she

725
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: believes this story, and so of course she's gonna be her.

726
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: Of course she's going to be upset. It's it's it's

727
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,760
Speaker 1: if you want to really reach out to her. It's Genevieve,

728
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: I care about you. We broke up on a beach, um,

729
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: but I know this is real to you. I know

730
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: you leave this story. How can I like, how can

731
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: I help make sense of this for you? And not, Hey,

732
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: stop badmouthing me. Yeah, I mean you're super right. Like

733
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, Like, I guess that

734
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: text was um A bit charged up because the reason

735
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 1: I like, I was just I felt a little bit

736
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 1: blindsided by like some tweets she sent out um and

737
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: and uh, and I got upset. I got hurt by that,

738
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: and because it was like I was told she didn't

739
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: necessarily care about it. To me, it was hard for

740
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: me to believe anyone actually believed it UM, because like

741
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: everyone is so into soft or hard launching relationships social media,

742
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 1: Like I had never had a relationship, and so I

743
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 1: and I thought everyone would. It was just like stupid.

744
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:48,919
Speaker 1: I just thought. I was like, this is like, no,

745
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: there's no white people believe this. UM. But then when

746
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: she did that, I reached out because I was also

747
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: kind of upset because she didn't even um like like

748
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: like she knew me very well, like I'm not that guy.

749
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: So it's like it was hard for me to believe

750
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: that she wouldn't um like even even give me the

751
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt a little bit. I don't know,

752
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: I just got upset. Yeah, so you're upset that she

753
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: was tweeting things, and you're like, you know me, why

754
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: do you, like, why are you out here to make

755
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: this harder on me? And you de text out of

756
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: reaction and not necessarily out of like a place of

757
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: understanding the holistic side of the story. Yeah, especially because

758
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: I get kind of like a little bit weird about

759
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: contestants bash and contestants online because she was getting quite

760
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: a bit of hate at the beginning, and so and

761
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: I've gotten hate, and so I like, we're very familiar

762
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: with how bad that feels. So I was very like,

763
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:48,919
Speaker 1: why would you consciously send hate towards someone knowing how

764
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: bad it feels, especially because I mean, if I deserved it,

765
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: like that would be one thing, it would be much

766
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: easier for me to try to like put my head down.

767
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:00,399
Speaker 1: But like, realistically, after everything that has been and said

768
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 1: to me and what what has been deemed as true

769
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,399
Speaker 1: by people online, I don't deserve it, and that's not true, right,

770
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 1: So it just pissed me off. Do you think that

771
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: maybe she was like harboring feelings of annoyance towards you

772
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 1: for a while because of the way that you broke

773
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 1: up with her? Was just like so like one side

774
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: of the abrupt Yeah, I think so. I mean, like

775
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 1: I had heard, I didn't watch the podcast uh with

776
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: her with you guys, because it's kind of difficult for

777
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: me to watch these things, uh emotionally Uh. But essentially

778
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: I heard that she regrets not leaving the second time,

779
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 1: and it was confusing for me because like, if that's

780
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: the case, if she wanted to break up with me

781
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: that day, um, like why did she Why did she

782
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: care that we were finally on the same page on

783
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: breakup day? Right? UM? I guess it was unless unless

784
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: her mindset completely shifted in those three days after its

785
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: versus pain um or or she wanted to do it

786
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: kind of more on her terms. I don't know why

787
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: she was so upset by it, because she she told

788
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:16,240
Speaker 1: she told everyone she wanted to break up with me earlier. Um,

789
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 1: So realistically, I mean, if I was to go back,

790
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: I would I would, let you know, let her leave

791
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: on or let her break up with me, like I

792
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: don't know, like that the result then result was the same.

793
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 1: I don't understand why she was so annoyed with me

794
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: unless she wanted to do it and not me, or

795
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 1: she viewed it as that I was trying to kind

796
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: of list out what I had issues with in like

797
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: a in like a way that wasn't attacking, so that

798
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: we can create like an open dialogue, have that conversation,

799
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: leave on good terms. Um. I was I was not

800
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: trying to attack. Um, And and I know it came

801
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: off that way or the way they edited too, is

802
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: like she she didn't say anything at all, which is

803
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: she definitely said things. She said that she'd didn't say

804
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 1: anything on our product. Now, trust me, she definitely did.

805
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: That's not that's literally not how it went like. But regardless, um,

806
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 1: the end results Like at the end of the day,

807
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: I thought we were on the same page, and according

808
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: to the podcast she's been giving, we were. So I

809
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: don't understand really, So when you when you just when

810
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: you went down to the beach knowing a breakup was happening, Um,

811
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: did you have any idea? I mean, and and we

812
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 1: just have to take Genevieve's word for what she's telling

813
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: us and telling others and so in her mind, like

814
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: she was potentially getting engaged to you, like this was

815
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,720
Speaker 1: a real thing to her. Did you have any idea

816
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: that that's how she was feeling? No? Literally none, I mean,

817
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: like a couple of days earlier, she wanted to leave,

818
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: Like I like, looking back, Um, if if I was

819
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: if I proposed were like, should she have said yes

820
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: if she felt like that a couple of days earlier,

821
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: like no, probably not. I was you know, I don't

822
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,720
Speaker 1: want to get engaged and break up and be another

823
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: bachelor statistic, you know, Um so I I I don't know.

824
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: I just thought of the most plausible scenario that would

825
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: work out for us, and and like realistic, I mean, like,

826
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 1: obviously it would be nice to stay with her, like, um,

827
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: it would be nice if everything fixed after Paradise. I

828
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: just didn't think that would happen, and so I wanted to,

829
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: um voice my honest opinion to her. Essentially, we'll stop

830
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: grilling you soon, but I do have one more question

831
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:38,240
Speaker 1: on my side. So I just want you to picture yourself.

832
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: You're Genevieve, you got broken up with in Paradise, and

833
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: then you see and you were with this person for

834
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: the majority of Paradise. You're sticking it out through a

835
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: lot of fights, but the the last day, the decision

836
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 1: making day, basically you are dumped. And then you see

837
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: months later, these exchange between two girls who basically it

838
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: looks like we're still involved with you, or at least

839
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: one was still involved with you when you went to Paradise.

840
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: So don't you think that that, like, how would you

841
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 1: respond to that? I mean do you Yeah, just like

842
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:23,280
Speaker 1: what what would your actions have been? Yeah, Like it's

843
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 1: it's something that I should have empathized with more. I

844
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: can't lie. Um, like when you listed out like that,

845
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: or if if you don't even meet thinking about it

846
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:38,399
Speaker 1: like that. Uh, it feels like if that's true, it's humiliating.

847
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 1: You know, it feels like it's uh, um, you know

848
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: you wasted a lot of time. Uh, you know, things

849
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: that are the opposite of what anyone wants to feel. Right,

850
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: You're basically like lied to the entire post. That's what

851
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: it feels like. Yeah, like it was all fake. It

852
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 1: was all for show, like legit a show. Yeah, and

853
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: realistically like I'm not that good of an actor. Um,

854
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 1: or I wouldn't have gotten fights so often. But UM,

855
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: like I get I can get where she's coming from completely. Um.

856
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: I just I you know, it's like it goes down to, um,

857
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: we we both kind of have this issue where we

858
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: can be a little bit reactionary. Um. And you know

859
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,919
Speaker 1: I'm gonna own that first and foremost for myself and

860
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: and at the reunion, you know, when we did talk

861
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: and we did kind of um show each other in

862
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: that mutual respect that was she apologized for as well. Um,

863
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 1: so at the end of the day, this is exactly

864
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: what that is. And I wish that I guess I

865
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: wasn't so reactionary when I sent that text, you know. Um, uh,

866
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,439
Speaker 1: you know, thanks for for listening that out Ben as well.

867
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 1: But um but uh, but like I wish she wasn't

868
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: so reactionary just believing it right away as well. So

869
00:48:56,239 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: because we I'm so confident, like if we were oh

870
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 1: been to having that conversation, this would never have been

871
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: a thing. Yeah. Well, Aaron, I know this isn't easy.

872
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 1: I know this isn't fun. I can imagine the last

873
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: few weeks or however long this has been going on. Um,

874
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:24,439
Speaker 1: it's been exhausting. And uh, you know, like you said,

875
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's a fair wish everybody can

876
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: now move on with their lives. Um, move forward with

877
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: your life. Is there anything else that you'd want to

878
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: tell our listeners that we didn't ask, that we didn't

879
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: touch on, um, that you'd want them to hear and

880
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 1: for others to hear. Um. You know, obviously this is

881
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,839
Speaker 1: going to be spread out. People will hear this, they'll

882
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 1: see headlines of it. Um. What would you like people

883
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:54,280
Speaker 1: to know, um, moving forward for you, I guess, uh,

884
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 1: A big thing, I know, I don't, I don't know.

885
00:49:58,440 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: It's it's kind of hard to put in the word.

886
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: But a big thing is you know, you look at

887
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: my activity via social media, like I never tried to

888
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: spread hate or attack right anyone ever, just not something idea,

889
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 1: whether it's Twitter. Twitter's an evil place, you know, so

890
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: denly not Twitter or anything right, It's it's I do

891
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: want to focus on bringing positive kind of energy. And

892
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:23,879
Speaker 1: I know, um it's hard sometimes, but like when when

893
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: these when these rumors or or whatever are released, um,

894
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:32,479
Speaker 1: like they are a lot of times just rumors or

895
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: you know, there might be some truth to them. But

896
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: the things that I've have people have been said, that

897
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 1: have said to me, um, like the last few weeks,

898
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: you know. And and this even for Genevieve, is she

899
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 1: listening like like you know, you really don't want like

900
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: that's to be said to anyone, right And and you

901
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,919
Speaker 1: know whether she's you know, someone's mad at similar or not.

902
00:50:56,000 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: Like the like sending like hate these social media or

903
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 1: or or or texting someone or demning someone these these

904
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:09,280
Speaker 1: crazy things like has has a huge effect on someone's

905
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 1: mental well being and at the end of the day,

906
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: like she's a good person. Of confident that I am

907
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: as well. I'm confident that as well the things I

908
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 1: have done. Um, I am confident that I was a

909
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: good man before Paradise, after Paradise. When I was on Paradise, Uh,

910
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: there was miscommunications a lot of times, but I'm not

911
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:32,800
Speaker 1: like this, this horrible villain, right, And it's just disturbing

912
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: when I see people, um like, not even just myself, Like,

913
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 1: just spread this crazy hatred um towards contestants because they

914
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: are real people, you know, and at the end of

915
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: the day and you never really know what's happening. So

916
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: just um yeah, just spread positivity. And if you don't

917
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. Right,

918
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: how would you feel if we invited Genevieve on this

919
00:51:56,080 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: podcast to talk to you m a zoom, I mean

920
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: like like I'll be yeah, I'll be down. I mean

921
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: I would rather do it in private, obviously. Um, I

922
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: definitely don't want to get yelled at on on camera.

923
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: You know it before you know, I know, I can

924
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 1: see the smiles, like you know, I'm just thinking about Paradise.

925
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 1: I just think about all the paradise scenes in my

926
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I mean like I want to.

927
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,839
Speaker 1: I mean I'm super open having a conversation. I want to.

928
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 1: I like to deal with things in private. You know.

929
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 1: I'm definitely not someone that's doing everything in the forefront

930
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: of of of you know, the public eye, and and

931
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: posting on social media every two seconds about what I'm

932
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: doing in my life. So more private person as weird

933
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: as it is going on this show, but um, yeah,

934
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:49,879
Speaker 1: I mean for sure, although I would rather I talk

935
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: in private and then this and then we can move

936
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 1: on with our lives. You know. That's that's that's that's fine.

937
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: Well hopefully you can feel that way after this podcast.

938
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 1: But I'm just you know, playing, just haven't asked some

939
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:05,280
Speaker 1: fun with the questions. It's funny because when this was happening,

940
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:09,720
Speaker 1: this is really my first kind of the most hate

941
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: I've felt from from the fan base. And apparently I

942
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: gave a lot of girls uh or women PTSD about

943
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: their past relationships in those arguments, So a lot of

944
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: projecting like run from Aaron, He's belongs in jail whatever,

945
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: um which is which is? You know, apparently they know

946
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: me completely as a human being. But uh, but I

947
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: was asking advice from other contestants, et cetera. That I've

948
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: been through. There's not not you know, no one knowing crazy.

949
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: But they were all just like, don't say anything at all.

950
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,280
Speaker 1: Just like everyone almost unanimously was like, don't say anything.

951
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:43,839
Speaker 1: But it got to the point where I was like, dude,

952
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 1: I feel like I have to say something, like like

953
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 1: getting repeatedly kind of bashed on social media, um by

954
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: something that's not factual, and people like might as well

955
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: take it as factual? Is is uh something it's really

956
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:00,040
Speaker 1: hard to like, look at stomach. Yeah, both piece of

957
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 1: advice or good advice. You don't say anything. It always

958
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: sits there. You're always known for it. Now, the thing

959
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: that the benefit of that is you can just like

960
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: kind of walk off into you know, the silence and

961
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:16,320
Speaker 1: be forgotten. And but when somebody hears your name, they're like, yeah,

962
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: Aaron's associated with this saying something. Um, You're not as

963
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 1: capable of walking off into the silence. But at least

964
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 1: now there is that, um, that team of people who

965
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 1: will be like I heard this podcast and this is

966
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: what he was saying happened, and now it's nuanced and

967
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: it's complex and I don't know maybe what to believe,

968
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: or maybe they know what to believe and they're confident

969
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: in it. Both sides work. UM, but we're glad you

970
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: came on. So thank you for coming on, Aaron, Thank you,

971
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: UM for sharing your side of this story. Um, thanks

972
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 1: for playing along again. I know it's not always fun.

973
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: I know it's not easy, and uh, I know it

974
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: would feel a lot easier just to not say anything,

975
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 1: but sometimes we don't have that option. And Aaron, next time,

976
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 1: you're always invited here and we'd love to play some

977
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: fun games with you. It's a little rapid fire something

978
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 1: like this, because I bet you it will never be

979
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:11,800
Speaker 1: this serious again. I know I was gonna say Benna,

980
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,399
Speaker 1: we haven't met in person, but Ashley, when I met her,

981
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:18,280
Speaker 1: she was like a light on the beach. You're the sweetest.

982
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: That's what I say before every episode I introduced actually,

983
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: and I say my amazing, beautiful co host Ashley because

984
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 1: she's always like, oh my gosh, Ben with the compliments.

985
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: But I tell people on this podcast all the time,

986
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: I was like on TV, I kept saying, like this guy,

987
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,720
Speaker 1: he just loves fighting, like he's like I'm being angry,

988
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 1: I'm angry, and then I'm like, but in person, he's

989
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,240
Speaker 1: so fun to get along with and joke with, and

990
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: you got a great sense of humor. Yeah, that was

991
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,439
Speaker 1: one of my favorite things you said, was like, how

992
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 1: I surprised you at my actual personality versus what was portrayed,

993
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: because yeah, I mean, I keep you not like, I'm

994
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 1: just like a goofy guy almost all the time. So

995
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: it's it's not always the easiest with pople think I'm

996
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: like raging, like the hulky you know. But well he

997
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: seemed to more hokey when you're on Katie season and

998
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,879
Speaker 1: you've softened up through time. But I was always yeah,

999
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 1: you're right, but it wasn't up. They just showed more.

1000
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:15,720
Speaker 1: So yeah, I got it. I got it. All right. Well,

1001
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 1: this is our sign off. I've been Ashley, I've been

1002
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 1: been I've been Aaron. There we go Bye. Followed the

1003
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 1: Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast on iHeart Radio

1004
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.