1 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 2: I'm Joe and I'm Serena. 3 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: And we are here today with our lovely guests. She's 4 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 1: been on this podcast before, but last time we talked 5 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: to her was episode two. Zoe, welcome back to Bachelor 6 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: Happy Hour. 7 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 3: Thank you for having me of course. 8 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:19,600 Speaker 1: Okay, Zoe, so we got a lot to talk about 9 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: your you've been officially casting on Paradise Hometown's Fantasy Suite 10 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: the Finale. I know you have a lot to say. 11 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 1: Where would you like to kick this podcast off? 12 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 3: Oh? I don't know. 13 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 1: I mean one of those topics. 14 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 3: Oh, okay, we're starting at those topics. I mean there 15 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 3: was stuff even before that. 16 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go to the beginning. You want to just 17 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 2: go all the way through. 18 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to go all the way through. I 19 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 3: think some other people have been on podcasts like maybe 20 00:00:55,000 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 3: like Rewriting History. I think we saw obviously I got 21 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 3: a tough start into the house and to this whole journey, 22 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 3: I guess you could say. And I think since they 23 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 3: were allowed to talk about me at the tell, all 24 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 3: I want to clear up some things is that when 25 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 3: I took him to the rooftop, it was after like 26 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 3: five six hours of playing basketball. We all had a 27 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 3: chance to play with the kids, we all had a 28 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 3: chance to play with Grant and stuff, and then we 29 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 3: were playing the game, things did escalate and I was 30 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 3: one of the few people I was like, hey, girls, like, 31 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 3: let's just like back off a little bit and slow down. 32 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 3: When Beverly wasn't feeling well, I told her I goho 33 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 3: sit with Grant. Like, you know, I was always trying 34 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 3: to be aware of other people's feelings. And I feel like, 35 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 3: you know, most of the girls, they stood up for me, 36 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 3: and they will obviously tell you that now. But I 37 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 3: think and even the audience, you know, I've had people 38 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 3: DM me apologies and stuff. But yeah, I think it 39 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 3: was just a high stakes environment. A lot of things 40 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 3: were said to me and at me, and I think 41 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 3: that I actually handled myself a lot better and yeah, 42 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 3: and then I had to basically exist in that space 43 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 3: going forward. So I don't think it was kind. And 44 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 3: I think people saying that I misunderstood more than I 45 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 3: had to like fight my way back to be friendly 46 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 3: in the house. That's not the case, Like you don't, 47 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 3: it's not being misunderstood, it's that people judged me and 48 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 3: they were incorrect, and a lot of the girls apologist. 49 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 3: I also want that to be known. It's like I'm 50 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 3: great with everyone now, like Eli, Jo, Serphina, love them all. 51 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 3: But yeah, I think it was just a tough start, 52 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 3: and I think the audience didn't really get to see 53 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 3: the whole picture and like, you know, and then going 54 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 3: into episode two, it seemed like I was just like 55 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 3: crying because like, oh my god, I didn't get extra 56 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,239 Speaker 3: time with Grant and that absolutely was not the case. 57 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 3: I'm such a type a person. I think people forget, 58 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 3: like I'm an engineer. I was working on Wall Street, 59 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 3: so I'm used to like getting the right answers. And 60 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 3: all the girls were so excited to see Hannah Burner, 61 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 3: but I was so excited to see Daniel from Shark Tank. 62 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 3: Like I was like, oh my god, take like I'm 63 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 3: you know, trying to win him over and I'm not 64 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 3: getting any rewards, and like it was such a large 65 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 3: group date, and by that time, Grant had already formed 66 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:10,839 Speaker 3: connections with some people, so it was kind of like, oh, 67 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 3: like I'm drowning in like all aspects of this date. 68 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 3: And there were lots of comments made to me throughout 69 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 3: again between the first date and the second date, and 70 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 3: I didn't do anything to anyone outside of what Grant saw, 71 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 3: and he said he liked that I had taken him 72 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 3: to the rooftop the day that had happened, and so 73 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 3: it was just kind of like I was drowning, Like 74 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 3: that's why I was upset. And I also think that 75 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 3: like a lot of the girls had the same they were, 76 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 3: you know, on the same page, and I always want 77 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 3: to be the person like we don't all have to 78 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 3: think the same. So like me being like, no, I 79 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 3: didn't have fun today, Like it was just so stressful. 80 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 3: It was to open a dialogue for like anyone else 81 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 3: that was also feeling the same way. It wasn't like 82 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 3: oh my god, like look at me, like I need 83 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 3: the attention. And so I think, as we said, the 84 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 3: girls got to know me and they were like, yeah, 85 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 3: I think we just made thought one thing. And so 86 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 3: I think after that day and again even that night 87 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 3: when I told Grant I was not sitting there listing 88 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 3: off names and listening off grievances. It genuinely was like 89 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 3: I am fighting for my life in this house and 90 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 3: I want that to be known of like why my 91 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 3: energy has shifted on this date, and for him to 92 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 3: then come in and kind of drop the bomb and 93 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 3: not actually like support me in that situation was a 94 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 3: bit off guard. So like that's kind of why I 95 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 3: just like pulled away and kept to myself. But yeah, 96 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 3: I wanted that like to be critic and as I said, 97 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 3: all the girls after that night, a lot of them 98 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 3: either came up and apologized and or like we hashed 99 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 3: it out and we're good. 100 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: You did you watch the women tall all? 101 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 3: I did? 102 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, So that's one thing. That's one thing I'm 103 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: not a huge fan of when someone's. 104 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 4: Not I know, we were hoping we would have loved 105 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 4: to see them bring you just for a segment at 106 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 4: least because it it's it's hard for the girls because 107 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 4: they obviously are gonna have to speak gone what happened, 108 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 4: But then you can't have this like full dialogue that 109 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 4: includes you. And we did see Seraphina kind of try 110 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:09,919 Speaker 4: to jump to your defense at points, but it's not 111 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,479 Speaker 4: the same obviously as like words coming directly out of 112 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 4: your mouth. 113 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 3: I think words coming out of my mouth. But also 114 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 3: like to see that I don't have any issues with 115 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 3: anyone on that stage and I think that's the. 116 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 2: That's not what it felt like watching it. 117 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 3: It's not well, first off, Ali Joe she allowed to 118 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 3: speak her piece. She was the one involved in this, 119 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 3: you know, and I'm glad that she got to stand 120 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 3: up for herself. I don't mind that another girl that 121 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 3: did need to give her two cents and what she 122 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 3: was saying wasn't true. I don't appreciate that. But I know, 123 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 3: and I think too, a lot of people don't want 124 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 3: to put the target on their back. So maybe people 125 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 3: who did agree with me or understood me, like aren't 126 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 3: going to speak up because they don't want to get 127 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 3: involved in the drama. But I think that is like 128 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 3: when people see like, oh, like I'm not I'm friends 129 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 3: with everyone, or the majority of people like it's not 130 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 3: like I'm just it's not the narrative of Bible not 131 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 3: in there to like not make a single friend. I'm 132 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 3: a very reserved person. I have been through very tough things, 133 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 3: and I've dealt with very you know, different situations where 134 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 3: it's just not been good to just be open and vulnerable. 135 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 3: And I think going into a place like this, when 136 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 3: we are literally all competing for the same prize, to 137 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 3: me it's not my natural instinct to be like, I'm 138 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 3: going to go in here and be best friends with 139 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 3: all of you and be fake, because that's just not me. 140 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 3: And there were some things that were being said at 141 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 3: the very first night. I was like, I don't really 142 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 3: like I don't vibe with so I kept to myself, 143 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 3: but at the same time in a respectful way, or 144 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 3: like in ways that I thought was being respectful. And 145 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 3: as I said, at the end of the day, when 146 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 3: I got to know people genuinely, then I'm genuine friends 147 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 3: with them, and I do love them and I want 148 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,119 Speaker 3: to support them, and I'm so glad that we all 149 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 3: were in this process together. But that's the way I operate. 150 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 3: If someone else operates differently, that's not wrong. But if 151 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 3: my biggest flaw is being reserved and you know, keeping 152 00:06:58,560 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 3: to myself, I'll take that. 153 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 4: What do you feel like the shift was from your 154 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 4: relationship with the girls in episode one and two to 155 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 4: kind of three, four or five. It feels like after 156 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 4: episode two things did start to look up and your 157 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 4: relationships did start to form well. 158 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 3: As I staid from the jump, I expected people to 159 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 3: be like, oh, she's stealing him. She must like want 160 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 3: the attention. She like, must want all this time with him. 161 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 3: And as I said, when you were there and you understood, 162 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 3: we had been playing for five hours. It's not like 163 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 3: we just stepped foot the basketball court. Grant, can I 164 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 3: take you? That's disrespectful. It's not like I had the 165 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 3: one on one and then I'm taking him. That's disrespectful. 166 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 3: If I had kept doing it on other group dates, 167 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 3: which like the next financed it, I could have sat 168 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 3: beside him, I could have stolen him. But I didn't. 169 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 3: And so I think when people assumed that that's the 170 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 3: way that you operate and they're realizing that's not. As 171 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 3: I said, it was just to make my mark, let 172 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 3: him know that I'm here for him, and after that 173 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 3: everyone do their own thing, like and I think once 174 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 3: people realize, like, oh no, she is just like that 175 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 3: was it. That was the one thing that she wanted 176 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 3: to do and like you know, and at the same time, 177 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 3: all these girls saying I would do it. Guess what, 178 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 3: I made the top three. So maybe that is what 179 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 3: made my journey different than yours, and I'm grateful for that. 180 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: Speaking of making the top three, I think a big 181 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: story surrounding your story was the fact that you didn't 182 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: get a one on one date, and I think a 183 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: lot of people were like, I'm not giving you enough 184 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: credit for being there. Yeah, just almost like you were 185 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 1: by default, like it was you. Can you kind of 186 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: talk about that situation and your relationship with Grant and 187 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: stuff that we probably didn't see. 188 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think it well, first off, I've 189 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 3: seen a lot of like disrespect as far as that goes. 190 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 3: I think people forget that there's only one wife fiance 191 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 3: at the end of this and you're keeping people around 192 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 3: as like your relationship with them could change, it could 193 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 3: get on part with someone else's. So to sit here 194 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 3: and be like, oh she they have no chemistry, they 195 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 3: have nothing, or like he just wants her because she's attractive, 196 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 3: is like, really like insanely disrespectful. I am accomplished, I'm 197 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 3: well educated, I am driven, I am kind, I am 198 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 3: a great supportive partner. There were so many qualities and 199 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 3: Grant knew those. I think again, two out of like 200 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 3: ten of our conversations were included in the show, and 201 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 3: I think that's really unfortunate because as it does confuse 202 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:30,959 Speaker 3: the audience. But I know the conversation we have Grant 203 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,839 Speaker 3: knows the conversation we've had, neither one of us were 204 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 3: delusional that I was ever like his number one pick, 205 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,079 Speaker 3: but not to speak on his behalf, but I think 206 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,319 Speaker 3: we're in the same mindset of like, we're going to 207 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 3: keep giving it a chance until there's no more chances 208 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 3: to give. And for me, I'm like, I'm in this process, 209 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 3: and you know, there's only one bachelor that we can 210 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 3: choose from, and I wanted to give it my all 211 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 3: and I said to everyone, I'm like, I'm in this 212 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:56,319 Speaker 3: one hundred percent. If I'm not, and I didn't get 213 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 3: that one on one. I didn't get that time to 214 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 3: see if this was or was not my person. But 215 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 3: the conversations we did have, and the one thing about 216 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 3: me is I make the most of every single situation 217 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 3: that I'm in, whether it is my job, my career, education, 218 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 3: this experience. 219 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: I think that came across too on the show, but yeah, 220 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 1: thank you. 221 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 3: And so the conversation we had is like we had 222 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 3: fun conversations. That problem is like, yeah, we danced slow 223 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 3: dance and then I like had them trick him and 224 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 3: like thirty seconds in played get low and I'm dancing again. 225 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,319 Speaker 3: Like it was such such a fought, like we were funny. 226 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 3: There was like banter, you know, I got deep. I 227 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 3: told him about my upbringing. We had talked about the future, 228 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 3: you know. I think our pivotal conversation was the last 229 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 3: one in Spain where we were talking about the future 230 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 3: and again not as like this is my man, but 231 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 3: like it could be. And I think we both were 232 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 3: in that boat. And I think, as he said, if 233 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 3: he's already had one on ones with people he knows 234 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 3: are not going to be his wife, and we haven't 235 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 3: had that opportunity, of course, like give me the chance. 236 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 3: And so I think that's what we both were doing. 237 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 3: And you know, and for me meeting the family, like 238 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 3: it's a big deal. But I don't know. I guess 239 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 3: I'm a little delusional, Like I'm like I don't care, 240 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 3: like you know, like I'll get married tomorrow if I 241 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 3: meet the right person. So, as I said, we started 242 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 3: up to be on the Bachelor. This is not the 243 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 3: craziest thing in the world that you could get engaged 244 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 3: without having a one on one, you know. So I 245 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 3: don't know that Again, that's just the way I think 246 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 3: a lot of the girls were so hesitant even when 247 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 3: we were in Madrid being like, I don't think I 248 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 3: could get engaged at the end of this, I'm like, 249 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 3: oh no, I just need one day. If I had 250 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 3: the right conversation, I need one day. So I think 251 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 3: that different mindset and the different way of dating, you know, 252 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 3: meets me to be a love bombs sometimes, but like, 253 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 3: I don't know, I like it. I'm fine with you no. 254 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 4: And I also think people that haven't been on the show, 255 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 4: it's easy for them to say, like, and everyone's different. 256 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 4: Some people couldn't do it, but some people would probably 257 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 4: surprise themselves and be like, oh yeah, no, I actually 258 00:11:58,080 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 4: maybe I could do it. You know, it's such an 259 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 4: unusual experience. But so looking back, I think a lot 260 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:07,319 Speaker 4: of people felt like surprised or confused as to how 261 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 4: you got all the way to fantasy suitees based on 262 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 4: the little we saw of your relationship and those conversations. 263 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 4: Were you surprised at all or were you like, no, 264 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 4: this totally makes sense to me. I have clarity and 265 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 4: where we're at. 266 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 3: Oh no, I mean I was insecure throughout the entire 267 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 3: process as far as where I was on the radar. 268 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 3: You know, he never gave me like some reassurance like 269 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 3: you're the one or anything like that, and it was 270 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 3: kind of the opposite. But I felt why I kept 271 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 3: having to prove myself and my intentions is he actually 272 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 3: kept like every conversation questioning my intentions, questioning if I 273 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 3: was emotionally available, if I had depth, if I could 274 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 3: be loyal when we got outside of here, which is 275 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 3: absolutely crazy. If you know me and like my friends, 276 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 3: like I'm the most loyal, sincere, authentic person, you will 277 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 3: find I'm not gonna say yes your proposal. I'm not 278 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 3: in this for the game. I'm not in this for 279 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 3: the TV show. I'm in it for a husband, And 280 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:13,079 Speaker 3: you know, I think that is why I kept pushing 281 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 3: and trying so hard in a way that I would 282 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 3: not be doing in the real world, because I'm like, 283 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 3: if this is my man and this is our one opportunity, 284 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 3: me not having a one on one at the end 285 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 3: of the day, like we'll get you know, we'll get married, 286 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 3: it doesn't matter. We have a lifetime of one on ones. 287 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 3: But I think knowing my qualities and knowing that connection 288 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 3: that we had, as I said, I think I knew 289 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 3: until the end that like we were both giving it 290 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 3: a chance. Yeah, And I think it's just he only 291 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:41,959 Speaker 3: needs to pick. 292 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: On right, So what why do you think he was 293 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: Why do you think he was questioning your loyalty? 294 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:53,319 Speaker 3: I think there's something about me where people like always 295 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 3: assume I'm different than I am. I feel like maybe 296 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 3: you guys, even when you probably watched the episode too, 297 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 3: you're like, oh gosh, like this girl's not made a 298 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 3: far like she's you know, just very very I'm a 299 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 3: very confident woman. I'm driven and like I think that 300 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 3: can come again. And I came in, I'm I'm already modeling. 301 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,199 Speaker 3: I live in New York City, you know. I think 302 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 3: I'm the archetype of someone who could just be here 303 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 3: for the wrong reasons. 304 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 2: For what we've seen maybe in the past on the 305 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 2: show exactly. 306 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 3: And so I think in his head his biggest fear 307 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 3: was choosing someone who was here for the wrong reason. 308 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 3: I think we forget he was on gen season where 309 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 3: we had the biggest like dupe of as so far 310 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 3: as I know, in like Bachelor history. So I think 311 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 3: him coming off the back of that, I was probably like, 312 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 3: you know, fearing that like maybe people like me were 313 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 3: doing the same, and I'm like, no, like I'm I'm 314 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 3: I'm already living my life. I am successful in these industry. 315 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 3: I genuinely just want a husband from this experience, like 316 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 3: anything else great, but like I'm not thinking about those 317 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 3: other things. 318 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 4: And and then I think, at any point did you 319 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 4: start to question if he was your person? Like if 320 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 4: he's constantly questioning you and your character, were you at 321 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 4: any point like hmm, maybe I don't know or were you, 322 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 4: Like I'm going to keep progressing this forward until you 323 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 4: know the end because. 324 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: We do we actually we hear you say near the end, 325 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: like you've asked me so much, but like I don't 326 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: I don't know if I know enough about you. 327 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 3: I don't think I was ever like questioning, like in 328 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 3: the sense of like, oh, I need to leave this experience, 329 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 3: like he's not my person because as I said, until 330 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 3: the very end, so we didn't get that time. And 331 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 3: so and maybe this is also like the bad part 332 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 3: of the trauma that I have of like feeling like 333 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 3: I have to constantly like prove myself and like not 334 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 3: staying up for myself in a situation like this, But 335 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 3: I was we hadn't had that time where I could 336 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 3: be definitively like this is not my person. If I'm 337 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 3: being totally a good man and he's husband material and 338 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 3: he's looking for a wife, like, then let me just 339 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 3: stick it out and we get that time together. And 340 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 3: I knew worst case scenario when you have an entire 341 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 3: night with someone with no cameras. I'm going to get 342 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 3: the answers that I need. And ultimately after overnights, I 343 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 3: stood on business before we went to overnights, and I 344 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 3: my conversation with him was not let me know more 345 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 3: about you. It was I've been given the short end 346 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 3: of the stick in this experience. You knew that I 347 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 3: told you I was being bullied or like you know, 348 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 3: put down and was not feel uncomfortable, and you kept 349 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 3: having me on these large group dates and competitive situations, 350 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 3: never gave me that opportunity to just open up and 351 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 3: be vulnerable on a one on one time and were 352 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 3: questioning me throughout this process. And I'm still here. And 353 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 3: if I was here for the wrong reasons, I would, 354 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 3: you know, have left not getting that one on one 355 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 3: in the fancy date. And he apologized, you know, and 356 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 3: I said, like, that's not the behavior that I would 357 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 3: take going outside of here. I'm willing to accept it 358 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 3: because this is a one time situation, and so that 359 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 3: was kind of the turning point for me. I was like, 360 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:05,199 Speaker 3: I don't want my man to think that I'm not 361 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 3: worthy of romance and you know, kind gestures and to 362 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 3: be his number one pick, and you know, I think 363 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 3: we got to overnights. So we were talking for hours, and. 364 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 1: This is during this is during overnight. 365 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 3: No, this is before we went to overnight's. And so 366 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 3: this is just the epitome of my experience on that side. 367 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 3: I'm extremely rachnophobic. We're having this like like uh relationship, 368 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 3: all during conversation, We've been in it for like a 369 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 3: couple hours. All of a sudden, I see a caravan 370 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 3: looking down and then in my line of sight was 371 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 3: my number one fear was a tarantula crawling around outside. 372 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 3: I've never seen one in my life. I was no, 373 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:56,360 Speaker 3: and it was not like it's not funny me out. 374 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 3: I had a full blown panic attack. I'm crying, I'm shaking, 375 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 3: I'm like the heck out of here. I cannot stay here. 376 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 3: And they were like, well, this is where your overnight 377 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 3: was supposed to be. And I was like, oh no, no, no, no, 378 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 3: like I need to leave. 379 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 2: He was inside like outside. 380 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 3: Oh so it was like the most like insane thing, 381 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 3: like Grant was comforting me, and like ultimately like we 382 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:20,679 Speaker 3: were allowed to go to a different location for our overnight. 383 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 3: But I think that ultimately not only put me like 384 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 3: in this like high stress, but it took away a 385 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 3: couple hours of our like overnight. But by that point 386 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 3: we had a conversation. We had our conversations, and I 387 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 3: think that was the point I realized, oh, like, I 388 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,199 Speaker 3: don't think this is my man Like it was not 389 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 3: what I was hoping to get out of the conversation. 390 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 3: I don't feel like I was being seen as my 391 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,239 Speaker 3: full person. I felt like I was being seen in 392 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 3: like one category versus another category. And I need someone 393 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 3: who loves and wants to accept all of me. And 394 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 3: so when I left the overnight, I was this was 395 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 3: the first time I was I don't think I would 396 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 3: say yes if he gave me a rose. And ultimately, 397 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 3: like I didn't have to come to that decision. And 398 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 3: another you think. 399 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 1: You were did you think you were going to potentially 400 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: have to come to that decision or did you kind 401 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: of know it wasn't you? 402 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 3: Well, so I had a I thought it was one 403 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:21,640 Speaker 3: hundred percent Latia. 404 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 2: That was going to end up with him or get 405 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 2: sent home. 406 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 3: Now, that was going to end up with him, Okay, okay. 407 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 3: And so I'm at the end of the day, I'm like, 408 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 3: it's a fifty to fifty chance that I get the 409 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 3: second rose. And but I was like, there was nothing 410 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 3: life changing about our night. So I'm like, I just 411 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 3: I generally I had no clue because I'm still here. 412 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 3: I don't know what I don't. You don't get to 413 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 3: see other people's relationships other than Latilla kept getting validated, 414 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 3: and that was obvious. 415 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: Did you know? Did you see that though, because you're 416 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: saying like you saying one hundred percent is pretty like 417 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: you're you're an analytical person. You said you've worked on 418 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,120 Speaker 1: Wall Street. If you're throwing one hundred percent out there, 419 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: what evidence do you have to back that? 420 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 3: Well, this is it. And what I think people don't 421 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 3: realize is Juliana and I were in the same boat 422 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 3: up until Scotland, right. I mean, obviously she knows her 423 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 3: conversation that I had. I know the conversation I had. 424 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 3: But as far as like validation, Latia got the first 425 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 3: group day rose. Latia got a three on one. Latia 426 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 3: was hand selected for the one on one from the 427 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 3: three on one and then she got the final one 428 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 3: on one, and just knowing her she's an amazing woman, 429 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, like it has to be her, like 430 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 3: you know, like so, and we only had so many. 431 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:35,479 Speaker 3: He had only had so many one on ones this season, 432 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 3: which is the only reason why I was not so 433 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 3: salty about not having one. There were only what seven 434 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:40,640 Speaker 3: of them? 435 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was the super short season. 436 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, And so to my knowledge and based on our conversation, 437 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 3: I was thinking, it's one hundred percent Latilla. But he 438 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 3: obviously you know, but maybe he wants you know, you 439 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 3: just don't know what people are thinking. And so I 440 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 3: was just like, I don't know, it might be me, 441 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 3: it might not be me, like to be said, and 442 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 3: I was like, I don't know if I would say yes. 443 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 3: But they also I didn't want to take away his 444 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:11,239 Speaker 3: power as the Bachelor, which people may or may not 445 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 3: think is right. Like people are like, well I would 446 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 3: have just left. Well if he's having me here, like, 447 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 3: I don't want to take away his power or make 448 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 3: him regret having me here. And then like he could 449 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 3: have furthered his relationship with like Dina, you know what 450 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 3: I mean. Yeah, And it's also. 451 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 4: So short, like you have your overnight, and like typically 452 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 4: in the real world, if you're having like doubts on 453 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,439 Speaker 4: if this is your person, you talk to them for 454 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 4: another week or two, you go on another date, you 455 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 4: like talk to your friends, whereas like literally you're in 456 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 4: a rose ceremony two days later. 457 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 3: Probably oh no, no, no, I'm sorry, no, no, no, My 458 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:41,199 Speaker 3: overnight was last. 459 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 2: Oh you had the last one? 460 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, so I was the last overnight, yes, And 461 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 3: so it was less than twelve hours before the Roastummer. 462 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:52,360 Speaker 3: So that's why I was like I'm getting ready. I'm 463 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 3: like thinking, and I'm like I don't know where my 464 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 3: head's at. And that's also like knowing I had the 465 00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 3: last one, like well he's already wort with the other 466 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 3: two and like, well we're still going and trying. So 467 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 3: I was, I don't know. I was just by that 468 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 3: point was just very confused about where I was in 469 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 3: this process. And I think, as I said, I don't 470 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 3: I have never really watched the show. I've seen snippets 471 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 3: here and there, and like maybe a season a year 472 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 3: or two after it's aired, So I don't know, I 473 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 3: was just kind of there and I was like, I 474 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 3: want to give it a chance, and I don't want 475 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 3: to stop my blessing if this is meant to be 476 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 3: my person. So that was the first time I think 477 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 3: of this entire time. I was like, if I don't 478 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 3: get a rose, I'm not going to be like I 479 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 3: didn't get to see this through. 480 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 4: Right, You're like, maybe my journey is coming to an end. 481 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 4: And if I don't get a rose, that's just a 482 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 4: sign he's not my person. 483 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. The Taransla was the first sign. 484 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, the Taransla you need to meet. You'll meet Hakeem 485 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 4: in Paradise because we know he's going to and you 486 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 4: guys can bond over your rachnophobia. 487 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: They're definitely gonna put something's gonna happen with you. 488 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 3: No, yeah, you guys. 489 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: You mentioned you mentioned earlier in the conference. I want 490 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: to talk a little bit about the latia of it 491 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: all from last night, but you mentioned you have stuff 492 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: to say about the Carolina situation of everything. What is 493 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 1: your opinion on. 494 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 4: All of that, from the season to what you watched 495 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 4: at the Women Tell All to now maybe if there's 496 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 4: been more. 497 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think and because The thing I don't 498 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 3: like is that I'm being looped in on like we 499 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 3: did the same thing, and therefore I should be defending her. 500 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 3: That's not the case. What actually happened is the same 501 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 3: woman who kept attacking me twice on two group dates 502 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 3: attempted to attack Carolina off camera after the rose ceremony. 503 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 3: And I straight up said, we're not doing that. No 504 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 3: one stood up for me. But I'm gonna go who. 505 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: Is this woman? You don't want to say? 506 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 3: And I said, we're not doing that. We have all 507 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 3: been it's been a long day, we've been drinking. We're 508 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 3: gonna go to bad and we'll talk about this when 509 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 3: we're sober. So I did stand up for her. I said, 510 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 3: we're not What you did was wrong. She had the rose, 511 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:03,199 Speaker 3: she took very long time during the cocktail party. Girls 512 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 3: went home that didn't did not get to speak to 513 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 3: him or were speaking about her when they were getting 514 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 3: sent home. So girls had the right to be upset 515 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,199 Speaker 3: the same way they had the right to be upset 516 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 3: about me. But we also need to be kind when 517 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 3: we're addressing our frustrations with one another. And so I 518 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 3: did stick up for her. I don't but and then 519 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 3: the other thing that was she's I think she rubbed 520 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 3: every person the wrong way continuously, whether or not you 521 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 3: were on her dates. So it started with that, and 522 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 3: then it went to what she was having on and 523 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 3: off camera conversation. So we're like, what are you talking 524 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 3: about an off camera conversation. We're on a show, So 525 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 3: that part I think rubbed some of us the wrong 526 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 3: way with the girls and that, and then wouldn't tell 527 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 3: us what the drama was about. So we're like, well, 528 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 3: you just monopolize all of our time, and now you're 529 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 3: trying to have certain conversations on camera and certain conversations 530 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 3: off camera. That's kind of calculating. So we did not 531 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 3: like that. She was like wanted selfies, wanted to stop 532 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 3: the bus on the way to our group day to 533 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 3: take a photo of herself. Was But my final straw 534 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 3: was we were trying to kindly talk to her. As 535 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 3: you saw, Juliana took her away because we didn't want 536 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,679 Speaker 3: to attack her in a group let her know what 537 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 3: was happening. We come back and we're just like kindly saying, 538 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 3: these are the kind of the things we've been seeing 539 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 3: one by one, no voices raised, no cussing, no one 540 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 3: talking over her giving her a chance to speak, and 541 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 3: her initial reaction was, y'all are attacking me? Why are 542 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 3: you attacking me? Zoe? I stood up for you. Why 543 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,160 Speaker 3: are you talking about? Like? This is not an attack, girl, 544 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 3: Like this is accountability, it's not an attack, and it's 545 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,719 Speaker 3: not even accountablity was just a we're telling you questions 546 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 3: and our concerns. 547 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, so we do have Carolina coming on for an interview. 548 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 4: I'm Bachelor Happy Hour shortly. What would you hope to 549 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 4: see from kro Lena in that interview after watching the 550 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,120 Speaker 4: season back as well as how she handled women? 551 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 3: Tell all you know, I hope just like accountability. I 552 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 3: think all we've we've seen her blame grant, We've seen 553 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 3: her blame production, We've seen her complain about the format 554 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,959 Speaker 3: of the show. We all agreed to go on it, 555 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 3: we all did and behave in the ways that we 556 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 3: didn't and behave. And I think that it's just like 557 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 3: just to stop with the digs and just to say like, hey, 558 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 3: I could have done this differently, or maybe I should 559 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 3: have just left if I wasn't in this one hundred percent, yeah, 560 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 3: and just move on. 561 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So let's let's cut to the finale. 562 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 1: You're someone, you were there, you probably know better than 563 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:05,120 Speaker 1: everyone watching. Letia ends up being sent home. Now you're 564 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,919 Speaker 1: you're saying you one hundred percent thought it was Latia. 565 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: It seemed like Lytia one hundred percent thought it was her. 566 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on everything? And Latia essentially said Grant, 567 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 1: I mean led her on the entire way, all the 568 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 1: way up until the end. And did Letia ever open 569 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: up to you about how much Grant was talking her 570 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: up and validating her and basically making it seem like 571 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:34,640 Speaker 1: she was the one? 572 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 3: So I think that she is one hundred percent valid. 573 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 3: I don't at this point in time. I can't quite 574 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 3: tell you if it was intentionally malicious that he said 575 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,199 Speaker 3: these things and he was in the back of his 576 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 3: head thinking, you know, he had a different number one, 577 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:54,919 Speaker 3: or he just got caught up and trying to be 578 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,880 Speaker 3: a kind bachelor. I will say the way that he's 579 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 3: kind of acted so we've left filming was a bit 580 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 3: different than the man that he was showing us while 581 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:10,919 Speaker 3: we were filming, you know, And I think specifically for 582 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,400 Speaker 3: me to be questioned about my intentions, it's a bit 583 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 3: ironic and for that. I don't love that. I don't 584 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 3: love how he has spoken about the two of us 585 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 3: and all the women since leaving. I think that he 586 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 3: can just acknowledge the facts and the reality of what 587 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 3: we were in You're allowed to change your mind, You're 588 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,160 Speaker 3: allowed to have said maybe you shouldn't have said these things, 589 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 3: or maybe you should have done less, and you can 590 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 3: just say that you were like caught up. You know. 591 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 3: I'm grateful that I didn't feel led on, but I 592 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 3: think she's one hundred percent valid to feel that way. 593 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 3: I think that the same thing with Carolina, Like it's 594 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 3: better to just acknowledge the facts of what happened, own 595 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 3: up to it, and move on, like instead of like 596 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 3: not even rewriting history. Right, there's reality, there's TV, and 597 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 3: there's reality TV. Just because things were not aired does 598 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 3: not mean they did not happen, Right, So I think 599 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,719 Speaker 3: that we need to remember that and just we're all people, 600 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 3: and we were all this is all of our first experiences, 601 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 3: you know, And yeah, so I just I really don't 602 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 3: appreciate and I don't think she appreciates what happened since 603 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 3: we left, and I assume she probably feels gas lit, 604 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 3: which I would too. 605 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 4: It sounds like the time between filming and everything airing 606 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 4: was probably really stressful and tense for a lot of reasons. 607 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 4: Once cameras dropped at the end of AFR and the 608 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,959 Speaker 4: season officially has wrapped, what was the energy like in 609 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 4: the room amongst everyone. 610 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 3: I think we were all glad it was over. I 611 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 3: think it's for some of us it's been a much 612 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 3: more tumultuous and you're like, you know, I didn't even 613 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 3: know I was like relentlessly cyberbullid for like the first 614 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 3: two or three weeks of this show air, like completely unjustified, 615 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 3: and then her having to deal with this huge public 616 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 3: heartbreak and probably embarrassment, and also like you're tied to 617 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 3: him until you're off the show, so it's kind of 618 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 3: like this really long process of like rehashing old wounds 619 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 3: over and over and over, and you kind of can't 620 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 3: move on until it's all said to done. And at 621 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 3: this point where two days removed, so you know, I 622 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 3: think we can all finally get back into reality. But 623 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 3: I think it was tough. I think it's tough for her, 624 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 3: But she is a beautiful, confident woman who is going 625 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 3: to find her man, and I think him and Julianna 626 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 3: are great for each other and they you know, will 627 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 3: hopefully have a happy, long relationship, and I think like 628 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 3: it makes sense and we're happy for them. I think 629 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 3: it was just like the process was just confusing to 630 00:30:58,720 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 3: a lot of us. 631 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: Do you think they will You think Juliana and Grant 632 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: will make it? 633 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 3: I you know, I only know parts of them. As 634 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 3: I said, I think Grant have a lot of pressures 635 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 3: on his shoulders to be the Bachelor. I think maybe 636 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:19,719 Speaker 3: he behaved and said things that he maybe was trying 637 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 3: to be a certain persona than who he really is. 638 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 3: But if she's supporting, you know, his desire to do 639 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,719 Speaker 3: music and you know, be a little bit more on 640 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 3: socials and doing and saying these things, then good for 641 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 3: her girl, and good for them. I hope they laugh 642 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 3: like I love love, and yes, as long as they're 643 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 3: genuine with each other. 644 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 4: Okay, I was gonna say, before we let you go, 645 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 4: we have to quickly chat about you had a hot 646 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 4: seat at the end of the night, which was so exciting. 647 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 4: We see that you're officially invited to go to Paradise, 648 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 4: and we also get an announcement that some of the 649 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 4: Golden can test we see Leslie and Gary come out, 650 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 4: are going to be joining as well. Give us all 651 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 4: your thoughts on that. 652 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 3: I'm excited me to Paradise. I thurvive in an ocean setting. 653 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 2: Do you have your eyes on anyone? 654 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 3: Okay, so not really because as I said, I didn't 655 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 3: watch this like I don't watch the show, Like I 656 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 3: was just thrown into this space. So I kind of 657 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,719 Speaker 3: did a little bit of research Screenshartus and like random name, 658 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 3: but like this guy's kind of cute, but like I 659 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 3: don't know no one like one hundred percent, But there's 660 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 3: some cute guys and fascination so we'll see hopefully not 661 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 3: a TikToker though, I like a man with the job. 662 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: Knowing what you know now about your experience on The Bachelor, 663 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: where is your headspace going into Paradise. 664 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, A lot of people ask me like, aren't you 665 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 3: like this was not a great experience for you? But 666 00:32:55,280 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 3: I do love the people running Paradise, and I now 667 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 3: know what Bachchin Nation is like outside of here, and 668 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 3: I also am grateful that it's like I don't have 669 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 3: to just go in there looking to chase some man 670 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 3: and like breed my up my insecurities like I can 671 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 3: go in there as a confident woman, and if these 672 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 3: meant like if my person's out there, I don't feel 673 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 3: like like I have to like prove myself to one person. 674 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 3: And I'm excited for that to have more power and autonomy. 675 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 3: And I also think like there's more love and like 676 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 3: couples that come out of it because there's like a 677 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 3: better chance. So I just want my person. I want 678 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 3: a husband, and so I'm really excited for that potential 679 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 3: and hopefully this would be my love story. Kay. 680 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 2: We hope so too. 681 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're excited for you. Thank you so much for 682 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 1: taking the time out of your day and talking with us, 683 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 1: and yeah, that's pretty much it. 684 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks so ya. 685 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 3: Thank you guys, and. 686 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 1: Thank you to all our listeners. Thank you for tuning 687 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: into Better Happy Hour. Make sure you stay tuned, download 688 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 1: and subscribe to the podcast. 689 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening. Bye.