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Okay, 10 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: So we were talking about this earlier that I would 11 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: vote Wemby MVP, and I think if Luca was a 12 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: marginal defensive player to solid, I think he'd have a 13 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: much better say. But he is such a liability there 14 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: despite his brilliance. I think Wemby, and you've pointed this out. 15 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: Wemby's not only historic defensively, and I want you to 16 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: talk about this, but he does stuff offensively that doesn't 17 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: he I can get a ton of credit for, and 18 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: I want you to. So I don't know where you'd 19 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: have Wemby in the MVP stuff, but talk about what 20 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 1: he does beyond just the blocks and the intimidation. 21 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 3: So I think that it's a two man race right now, 22 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 3: I think there's four guys that are relatively close. I 23 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 3: think Luca and Jokic have both had great seasons. I 24 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 3: just think there's a clear line of demarcation there between 25 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 3: them in the top two guys. To me, I still 26 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 3: have Shay at number one for now. I just think 27 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 3: he's got a great case to potentially be considered the 28 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 3: best player in the world, the best player on the 29 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 3: best team in the world. 30 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,199 Speaker 4: And there's clear value stuff with Shay. 31 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 3: The offense is ten and a half points better per 32 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 3: one hundred posessions when he's on versus off He's hit 33 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:43,479 Speaker 3: fifty two clutch shots. Callin, he hit three more last 34 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 3: night against the Pistons, three for three. You get a 35 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,639 Speaker 3: close game with Okce, it's just like good luck. Shay's 36 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 3: gonna hit every single shot he takes down the stretch. 37 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 3: Let's see if you can win. So I think he's 38 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 3: gotten the MVP for right now. But if the Spurs 39 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 3: can pass Oka see in the standing, which is an 40 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 3: absolute possibility. 41 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 4: Okay. 42 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 3: So he's got some tough games on the schedule. They 43 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 3: play the Lakers twice, and you know the Lakers are 44 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 3: playing really well. Luca would love to make his late 45 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,359 Speaker 3: MVP push. I've actually joked I don't think Luca can 46 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 3: win MVP, but I think he can win it for 47 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 3: Wemby by knocking. 48 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 4: Shade down a peg. 49 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 3: They've got a game with the Suns on the schedule, 50 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:19,959 Speaker 3: so okay, se he's not in control of that one 51 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 3: seed left and that yet, and that kind of brings 52 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 3: us to this Spurs case. It's fascinating because there's a 53 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,519 Speaker 3: lot of people that are pointing to his minutes totals. 54 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 3: He hasn't played a ton, but Colin, in the minutes 55 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 3: that he's been on the floor, he has quite possibly 56 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 3: been the most impactful per minute player we've ever seen. 57 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:42,119 Speaker 3: The Spurs are plus six hundred and forty five when 58 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 3: he's on the floor this season, in minus twenty seven 59 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 3: when he's off. 60 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 1: He's incredible. 61 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,959 Speaker 3: He's He's like a hundred in the league in total 62 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 3: minutes played. They're negative with him off, and yet they're 63 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 3: threatening for the number one overall seed because of how 64 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 3: dominant he's been when he's on the floor. Now everybody 65 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 3: knows how good he is defensively. That's been talked to death, 66 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 3: but I think people are a little paralyzed by his 67 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 3: counting stats. On the offensive end of the floor, he 68 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 3: averages twenty four and a half points per game on 69 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 3: offense three assists per game. That pales in comparison to 70 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 3: the scoring volume you're seeing from Shay and Luca and 71 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 3: the assist numbers you see from Yolkics. 72 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 5: Right. 73 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 3: But the thing that I always point back to is 74 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 3: the Spurs as a team, despite being surrounded by a 75 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 3: bunch of young, flawed guards, not a single other player 76 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 3: that anybody would consider to be a top twenty five 77 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 3: player in the NBA other than Wemby. They are an 78 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 3: elite offense when he's on the floor. And the specific 79 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 3: way you see this manifest is they generate a ton 80 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 3: of great threes and they knock them down at a 81 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 3: great percentage. In fact, the Spurs generate the most corner 82 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 3: threes ever in the history of the NBA. The reason 83 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 3: why is when Wemby rolls to the rim, he's so 84 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 3: fast and he is such a big, easy target to hit. 85 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 3: With those lob passes that teams have, I have no 86 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 3: choice but to throw the kitchen sink out of him 87 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 3: at him when he's rolling to the basket. Specifically, they're 88 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 3: constantly pulling off the corners to do what they call tagging, 89 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 3: which is to basically throw bodies in front of Wenby 90 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 3: so that he can't roll to the basket, and then 91 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 3: they just kick it to the corner and they get 92 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 3: wide up and three after wide up and three after 93 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 3: wide up. 94 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 4: In three. 95 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 3: It actually reminds me a lot of Steph in the 96 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 3: sense that people think Steph is declining, and don't get 97 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 3: me wrong, he's not putting up the individual scoring numbers 98 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 3: that he used to, but the Warriors offense is still 99 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 3: scoring at an extremely high rate when he's on the 100 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 3: floor because when Steph runs around in circles, he draws 101 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 3: so much attention off ball that guys get layups and dunks. 102 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 3: So for the Spurs it's a little different because it's 103 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 3: more at the three point line. But Wenby's overall offensive 104 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 3: impact is far greater than just his points per game 105 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 3: numbers or how many assists per game he averages. 106 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: So people know you initially as the Laker guy. And 107 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 1: I've said before is that I think offensively in the 108 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: half court, they're gifted. They're beautiful, aesthetically pleasing, the passing, 109 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: the shot creation. They don't have a lot of catch 110 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,359 Speaker 1: and shoot guys, which they need. But they have the 111 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: guys that need the ball in their hand and they're 112 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: great finishers. I don't think that plays as well in 113 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: the playoffs. But Houston doesn't have a pure point. I 114 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: made this argument many of Luca's biggest games are against 115 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: teams that don't have a dominant score that he would 116 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 1: have to stop Houston. Amen Thompson's not a great offensive player. 117 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: The Pistons Detroit without Kate Cunningham, Houston, but SGA and 118 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 1: Stefan Castle Jamal Murray. The four teams in the West 119 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: that are of Laker quality all have a guy that 120 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: Luca would have to defend, and my guess is those 121 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: coaches would hunt Luca. So I think the Lakers are deceptive. 122 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 1: I think they are so hard to defend in the 123 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: regular season, but I think actually they've got some defensive 124 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: liabilities that are easy to hunt in the postseason. Am 125 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:08,039 Speaker 1: I being too cynical and too negative? La No? 126 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 3: I think the things that you're explaining are why they're 127 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 3: not on the same level as San Antoni or ok See. 128 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 3: I think that's fair. I've always talked about this on 129 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,559 Speaker 3: my show, like your big picture defensive metrics don't matter 130 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 3: at all. When you get to the postseason, it suddenly 131 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 3: becomes can you guard that team? Not can you guard 132 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 3: a one oh four defensive rating over a twenty game span, 133 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 3: because there's a lot of noise in there. Bad teams, 134 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 3: guys miss threes, there's a lot of different things that 135 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 3: can go wrong there. What happened in the postseason last 136 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 3: year when they ran into Minnesota was like they couldn't 137 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 3: guard Ant, they couldn't guard Julius, they couldn't guard Nas 138 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 3: so they had to throw multiple bodies at them, and 139 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 3: they conceded threes to a Minnesota team that's very good 140 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 3: at shooting threes, and they made them or they started 141 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 3: trapping Ant. At the end of the series, then what happened. 142 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 3: Riegobert had like the best game of his life because 143 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 3: he was just dunking every single miss underneath the basket. So, like, 144 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 3: there's no doubt that the Lakers are going to have 145 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 3: to concede something in the postseason. They don't have the 146 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 3: personnel to just contain everything. So my guess is they'll 147 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 3: concede a lot of threes to role players and they're 148 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 3: gonna have to live with the results there. That said, like, 149 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 3: I don't think we can possibly overstate how good they've 150 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 3: been post. 151 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 4: All Star break. 152 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 3: When Lebron, Austin, and Luca are on the floor post 153 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 3: All Star three hundred and seventy three minutes, which is 154 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 3: a very large sample, they're outscoring teams by seventeen points 155 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 3: per one hundred possessions. Do you remember earlier when I 156 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 3: said Wemby was having the greatest per minute impact that 157 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 3: we've seen in forever. It's plus seventeen per one hundred possessions. 158 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 3: So the Lakers Big three has been as dominant as 159 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 3: the numbers as I've been talking about with Wenby. 160 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 4: That's how good they've been. 161 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 3: So like, what that where that lands for me is 162 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 3: they're clearly a puncher's chance threat. They are capable of 163 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 3: beating anybody, because if those three guys are all clicking 164 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 3: on offense and your role players happen to miss threes, 165 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 3: you're just gonna lose to this Lakers team. So they're 166 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 3: a threat against anybody. But the sustainability of their success 167 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 3: on a game in, game out basis in the postseason, 168 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 3: I think puts them a clear level below San Antonio 169 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 3: and Okay, see, to me, they're like tied with Denver 170 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 3: as like the third best team in the Western Conference. 171 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: So I want to go to college basketball. 172 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 4: Is that. 173 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: John Shire's obviously a very good recruiter, smart guy, His 174 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: schemes are respected. But I do think when you're at Duke, 175 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: the one downside to Duke is that you're able to 176 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: land three to four five star guys in a class right, 177 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: and what happens is you're really young. And I thought 178 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: against Yukon, whereas Hurley had older players, and sometimes when 179 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: you have older players, you just Phil Jackson, you know, 180 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: let guys play through the chaos, just just let them go. 181 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: Which is easy if you've got a staff or an 182 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:49,959 Speaker 1: older Chris Paul or a Connecticut team or Michigan's got 183 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: older players. But when you got five star eighteen year 184 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 1: olds and it's chaotic, it's like call time out. I 185 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: thought Shire should have called a timeout. I thought, I 186 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: thought this was a bit of underwhelming coaching. How did 187 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: you see it? 188 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 3: So you know, it's so funny call it. That whole 189 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 3: final sequence was so chaotic that I think you could 190 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 3: play the results in any direction, in the sense that 191 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 3: like if Aden Boozer gets that pass off, Duke wins right. 192 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 3: At one point, it looked like Dan Hurley was trying 193 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 3: to call a time out when his team got the 194 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:24,839 Speaker 3: steal at one point in the sideline. If you look, 195 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:26,079 Speaker 3: he points over to the ref and it looks like 196 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 3: he's trying to call time out, Like that could have 197 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 3: blown the game winner. There's a bunch of different ways 198 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 3: that that position possession could have gone in any direction. 199 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 4: So like it's one of those things where. 200 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd probably call a time out if I saw 201 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 3: a player panicking, but they had an advantage, there were 202 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 3: two players open up the floor. I just it could 203 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 3: have gone either way. I feel like we're playing the 204 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 3: results a little bit. The one thing that I'll say 205 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 3: about the young talent piece, because I've been thinking a 206 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 3: lot about this with respect to Nil, Arizona's got three 207 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 3: freshmen that are great, that are carrying the team through 208 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 3: this tournament. And you know, you know, missions guys get 209 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 3: some older players, but they also have some younger players. 210 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 3: There's a certain amount of like you can have a 211 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 3: lot of talent, but you still have to build a 212 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 3: basketball team. And one of the reasons why I think 213 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 3: Arizona is so good we think about their three bigs 214 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 3: and and they're you know, Braden Burry's this guy who's 215 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 3: going to be a lottery pick. But it's also they've 216 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 3: got great guards, great bigs, and wings that can shoot 217 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 3: and defend. Like ultimately they're a full complete basketball team. 218 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 3: I remember when I watched Duke in that first round game. 219 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:29,959 Speaker 3: The first thing I saw right away against the sixteen 220 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 3: seed is I'm like, Okay, Cam Boozer's really good, but 221 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 3: he's not super super dominant. 222 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 4: His brother might be their best guard. 223 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 3: He looked like one of the best players in the game, 224 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 3: and Sar can defend a little bit. And then from 225 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 3: there it didn't seem like they were very talented, and 226 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,839 Speaker 3: ultimately Duke looked like a clear level below Michigan and 227 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 3: Arizona to me from the start of this tournament. And 228 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 3: so you can have the NIL money like Arkansas, great example, 229 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 3: they had so much talent, the most expensive NIL roster 230 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 3: in the country, right, but you watch them play and 231 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 3: it's like, oh, they're really thin and they can't guard 232 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 3: and they can't handle big early frontlines. So like, it 233 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 3: doesn't matter what you build in terms of talent, you 234 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 3: still ultimately to win basketball games have to build a 235 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 3: complete basketball team. 236 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: Finally, aj Debonsa. Now it feels like the kind of 237 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:19,319 Speaker 1: because of Darren Peterson's injuries and you know, the concerns 238 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: about durability and stuff. So the BYU Star looks like 239 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 1: the number one player for somebody that loves the NBA 240 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: and doesn't watch a ton of college basketball, and maybe 241 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: it's only seen in bits and pieces. You watch both, 242 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: but you also you follow the draft very closely. It's 243 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: a stack draft. Who is his comp Who would he 244 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: remind an NBA fan of the BYU Star? 245 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 4: So the big difference. 246 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 3: Everybody sees Devansa and they think big, wiery scorer, and 247 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 3: that's going to put you in the frame of mind 248 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 3: of like most recently guys like Brandon Miller or like 249 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 3: Kevin Durant, you think like slender lots of pull up 250 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 3: jump shots, and don't get me wrong, like Davansa has 251 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:58,439 Speaker 3: that in his game, Like there's a version of him 252 00:11:58,440 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 3: that's going to be a guy who could shoot forty 253 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:01,959 Speaker 3: percad from three and take all sorts off the dribble 254 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 3: jump shots and score from the mid range and do 255 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 3: all of that. The big difference between Debonsa and those 256 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 3: guys and why I'm so excited about him is he 257 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,439 Speaker 3: is one of the most ferocious attackers of the basketball 258 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 3: that I've ever seen for a player. 259 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 4: Of his height. 260 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 3: This is a guy that is always playing downhill, always 261 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 3: playing off of two feet. His counter moves are always 262 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,719 Speaker 3: towards the basket. He was getting to the rim and 263 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 3: congested college spacing seven times a game this year, and 264 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 3: very efficient when he got there. 265 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:32,439 Speaker 4: This is not like you. 266 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 3: Watch the Kevin Durant Brandon Miller architect They weren't getting 267 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 3: to the rim like this. That's the big difference. And 268 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 3: so when you talk about those slender scoring forwards, they 269 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 3: tend to be susceptible to variants like are they making 270 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 3: their shots tonight? Are they getting pushed around tonight? 271 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 5: Right? 272 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 3: Debonsa is going to have such a higher floor because 273 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 3: he's such a relentless attacker of the basket. So like 274 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 3: to me, he's a clear number one overall pick Peterson. Obviously, 275 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:58,719 Speaker 3: there's the upside if is off the dribble creation and 276 00:12:58,800 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 3: his athleticism. 277 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 4: We're a little underplayed this year because of his injuries. 278 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 4: We'll see that. 279 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 3: You could argue he has a higher ceiling potentially, is 280 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 3: like this evolutionary Rayale and Anthony Edwards hybrid kind of 281 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 3: crazy guard. But there's just too many question marks there 282 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 3: for me to pass on a guy like aj Debontsa. 283 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: Jason Temp who's tonight at the volume as always, Buddy good, 284 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: talking to you, see you next time, calling you bet 285 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: the you know by the way, j Maac, I didn't 286 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:28,599 Speaker 1: get Jade and Ivy was it kind of broke yesterday? 287 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: I had my take. I haven't asked here as this 288 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: would usually you know a lot of times you do 289 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: herdline news, but it was kind of the lead story today. 290 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, listen, it's a dicey topic. I did it on 291 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 5: my podcast. 292 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean. 293 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 5: Well, I largely agree with you. Like listen, we live 294 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 5: in a society right now where you just can't say 295 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 5: whatever the hell you want. You just can't. You're putting 296 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,319 Speaker 5: yourself in a risk, your family and of getting canceled 297 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 5: by one side or the other. You could believe whatever 298 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 5: you want, but announcing it to the world, do you 299 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 5: really need to do that? And all the stuff that 300 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:00,040 Speaker 5: was going on with him. He's done a lot a 301 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 5: lot of videos over the last three days. 302 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 1: Colin, Yeah, I don't know. 303 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 5: If you watch them. Yeah, he obviously went through some 304 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 5: stuff in his childhood that he was unloading. It was 305 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 5: almost like a therapy session. And I I just hope 306 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:12,839 Speaker 5: if if, if I'm going down one of those rabbit 307 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,079 Speaker 5: holes and popping off on social media, you'll call me 308 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 5: up and be like, hey, dude, just put down the phone, 309 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 5: get off the device. 310 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: Wanted to make this one of my takes was where's 311 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: his best friend? 312 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 5: Like a friend, agent, manager, mom, dad, sibling, like anyone, 313 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 5: Like seriously. 314 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: No, I got I got a hold of somebody from Purdue, 315 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: and I got a hold of somebody in the NBA 316 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: who I trust, And I just said, I looked at 317 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: some videos online and I'm like, he's had some injuries, 318 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: been a little underwhelming. And what I heard from two 319 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: different sources who would know who I trust, was you know, 320 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: at Purdue, he was a guy that sometime he was 321 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: really into the gym and he was really intent, but 322 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: he didn't always connect with a lot of people. And 323 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: and and I mean Detroit drafted him as a top 324 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: five pick and bailed that for a couple of years. 325 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: And Detroit is just starved for scores and guard play. 326 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: And that was the first sign where it's like, oh 327 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: wait a minute, Detroit and Detroit wanted it to work desperately. 328 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: They wanted to find somebody to play with Cad Cunningham. 329 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: They needed another athletic score, desperate for that, and they 330 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: moved off. Okay, that you don't move off in a 331 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: couple of years. Lottery picks who are athletic like who 332 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: are really talented? The Herds going to Fox Sports app 333 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: Next on FS one the World Cup qualifier Italy versus Bosnia. 334 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: Hurtz convenient, We're getting close. Jmac Hey, how. 335 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 5: About Italy winning it? Getting into the World Cup. It's 336 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 5: been a minute. They gotta they gotta get a little 337 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 5: bit better. They haven't been great. We still probably should 338 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 5: follow up on the USA Belgium game from over the weekend. 339 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 5: Or is that a source subject around here? 340 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: No, it's not a source subject. 341 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 5: Listen. 342 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: I want team USA to do well, but sometimes soccer 343 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: fan can be a little annoying. They play Portugal tonight, 344 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: for the record, it's their hurd. 345 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 346 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 2: and Nooneaster n a em Pacific. 347 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 4: Hey, it's me Rob Parker. 348 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 6: Check out my weekly MLB podcast Inside the Parker for 349 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 6: twenty two minutes of piping hot baseball talk, featuring the 350 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 6: biggest names and newsmakers in the sport. Whether you believe 351 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 6: in analytics or the eye test, We've got all the 352 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 6: bases covered. New episodes drop every Thursday, So do yourself 353 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 6: a favor and listen to Inside the Parker with Rob 354 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 6: Parker on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcast. 355 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: Because whenever we lose, it's always the coaches fault. We 356 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: never just go. We don't have enough good players. And 357 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: one of the interesting kind of dynamics of this team 358 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 1: is Polisic, who is our number one scorer, the most 359 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 1: skill of any attacker we have. He is just a 360 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 1: player that when he's got his foot on the ball, 361 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: great things happen. He can take over games. He's just 362 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: he is our lethal goal scorer at any moment if 363 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:28,880 Speaker 1: he gets the ball. And we don't have a lot 364 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: I mean, Western McKinney's obviously a very good player. We 365 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: may not be as good in gold as previous United 366 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: States Ben's national teams, but we you know, historically, this 367 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: is one of the only times in my life, maybe 368 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 1: the only time I think we have enough offensive minded, 369 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: offensively skilled players that we can go toe to toe 370 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:48,719 Speaker 1: with almost any country. But you know, if we lose 371 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 1: and we don't play well, well, it's always the coach, 372 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: and it's not always the coach. This is the first team, 373 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,879 Speaker 1: the team USA that I remember where I think we 374 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 1: can play an aggressive stuff against maybe all but two 375 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: or three teams in the world, and that's not been 376 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 1: the case. We had to be more like Italy, which 377 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:08,640 Speaker 1: is you win one nothing. You know, you can attack 378 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: in spurts, but by and large, you play the Argentinas, England's, 379 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 1: Germany's Netherlands, you have to play kind of a defensive 380 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: style to not get burned, keep it close late, and 381 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:23,959 Speaker 1: then maybe get a set piece and win. But it 382 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: is the Polisic dynamics fascinating because you know he is 383 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 1: now a star in his own right playing overseas, and 384 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: there's questions about chemistry and that dynamic. So I think 385 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 1: it's a fascinating American team, a skilled and fascinating team, 386 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:41,719 Speaker 1: and they're trying to kind of find themselves and it 387 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: feels like is it too late. 388 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll win the group stage for sure, lock that 389 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 5: up and then we'll see after that how the matchup shakeout. 390 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 5: I like our chances. Obviously, the Belgium result was not 391 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 5: a good one. Portugal tonight, No Ronaldo, it looks like 392 00:18:56,119 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 5: he's nursing an injury. Portugal still stacked, of course. So yeah, 393 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 5: I'd just like to see a good showing and like 394 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 5: you said, more offense because ultimately against the heavyweights the Netherlands, 395 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 5: you know those, we're going to need. 396 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 1: To score goals. 397 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 5: We can't play like remember that England game in the 398 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 5: last World Cup. Just heavy defense that's not going to 399 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 5: get to where you need to get. Yeah. 400 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, Jmack with the. 401 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 2: News, No, no, no, turn on the news. This is 402 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 2: the herd line news. 403 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 5: Lakers role. Last night, Colin did not have Luca. They 404 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 5: smoked the Washington Wizards. Nobody scored eighty three for the Lakers, 405 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 5: but Lebron had a triple double, and JJ Reddick afterward 406 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 5: decided to talk about Luca, who didn't play anyway, because 407 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 5: the MVP is all anybody cares about. 408 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 7: Rady if we continue to finish the season the way 409 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 7: we're playing right now, that he continues to play that way, 410 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 7: to me, he is the MVP. But sometimes there's recency 411 00:19:56,359 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 7: bias and sometimes there's the bias of a certain stretch 412 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 7: of the season. You know, I think when we started 413 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 7: fifteen and four, you could have made argument that he 414 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:07,919 Speaker 7: was the MVP, that he's been the MVP at for 415 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 7: two of the three segments of the season. But again, 416 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 7: I've said this all year. You know, are our mosses 417 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 7: are like, gosh, she's so loud? 418 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. 419 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 5: By the way, do you want to guess who has 420 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 5: the most thirty point games in the NBA this season? 421 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: Luca? 422 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 5: You want to guess who has the most forty point 423 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 5: games in the NBAS in the season? 424 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: Luca? 425 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 5: Who's leading the league in score? Okay? I could just 426 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 5: do this all day. He's true, he's so good. Remember 427 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 5: the Remember when he was getting chided as I don't 428 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 5: remember who was doing it. I don't know if you 429 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 5: recall who was doing it? Overweight Luca, he's not dunking. 430 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 5: He looks slow, well like I mean, the guy is 431 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 5: just ridiculous. 432 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, he shoots a lot, score a lot. 433 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 5: When he shoots, he shoots a lot. Hey, big one 434 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 5: tonight against the Cavs. Okay, because the Nuggets are getting hot, 435 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 5: they've won six straight. They're right on the Lakers heels. Yes, 436 00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 5: the Nuggets are getting hot, so uh, Lakers have calves 437 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 5: and then okay, see this whoa so big week for 438 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 5: the Lakers. I have a feeling you're gonna have some 439 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,360 Speaker 5: big feelings if they lose and if they went, well, yeah, 440 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 5: those nice calves. 441 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 1: I wait for the result before I build my show 442 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: with the Lakers. 443 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 5: Obviously, obviously, all right, let's go to the NFL and 444 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 5: Minnesota Vikings. JJ McCarthy. Thing is just it's not looking great. 445 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 5: It's looking like one of my bigger whiffs of the 446 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 5: NFL last year. They go out and get Kyler Murray 447 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 5: and oh, by the way, Carson wentz well. Colin Kevin 448 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 5: O'Connell gave like this expansive quote about what's going on 449 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 5: in the quarterback room. I'll let you decipher what the 450 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 5: heck koc's talking about. Right here. 451 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,679 Speaker 8: We've played three guys in one of one year, we've 452 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 8: played four and another. We just feel like having the 453 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 8: ability to get quality quarterback played throughout the circumstances that 454 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 8: we do not we do not control throughout the season 455 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 8: gives our team, you know, pretty historical data that says 456 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 8: we get quarterback played to. 457 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 1: A certain line. We went a lot of football games. 458 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 8: So we want to ensure that we're able to do that, 459 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 8: but also, you know, make it a very very competitive room. 460 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 8: And that's regardless of who's taking reps with what group. 461 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 5: Not great, we feel comfortable and confident about the depth 462 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:19,360 Speaker 5: of our quarterback group. 463 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: Yet depth not that not we don't have a guy. 464 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 5: We've got options. 465 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: You know that, that's essentially what you're hearing there is 466 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: is we don't we don't have a guy. That's exactly right. 467 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 5: You know that there's not many quarterback controversies. I mean, 468 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 5: maybe Mendoza versus Cousins, assuming Cousins goes to the Raiders, 469 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 5: this one's going to be scrutinized. Who's getting the most 470 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 5: first team reps. It ain't going to be Carson Wentz. 471 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 5: We know that although he knows the system because he 472 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,360 Speaker 5: was there last year. McCarthy was there. And then you've 473 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 5: got the outside of Kyler Murray, who comes in with 474 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 5: a bit of a chip on his shoulder, right number 475 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 5: one pick dumped by Arizona, got all the money, zero 476 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 5: playoff wins. I don't know that this is going to 477 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 5: be a really tough test for Minnesota. Who's your early 478 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 5: lean as QB one for the. 479 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: Vikings, Kyler Murray, and I think Kyler is going to 480 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: play really well, and I think at some point they 481 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:20,679 Speaker 1: may consider moving off JJ McCarthy, who could get a 482 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: different environment. I think if JJ scraps and starts, I 483 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: think it's just too much to overcome in the building, 484 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: you lose confidence of teammates. So if JJ McCarthy wins, 485 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 1: it good for him. But if he doesn't, boy, it's 486 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 1: a hard guy to keep around, isn't it. Isn't that 487 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: kind of a hard guy. Now Donald leaves and wins 488 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: a super Bowl, Kyler comes in, Nobody believed in Darnald. Ah, 489 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: he's way better. Oh, nobody believes in Kyler, always way better. 490 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 1: It'd be hard to keep JJ McCarthy in the building, 491 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: and I think it would be unfair to him. So 492 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: I think we'll know if in camp Kyler gets the job. 493 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 1: I would not be shocked if somebody went out and said, hey, 494 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: you got Carson Wentz and Kyler, let's move him. Get 495 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,880 Speaker 1: a six round pick for him. I just think it's 496 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: really hard. Sam Darnald comes in and is amazing, and 497 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 1: then you compare JJ to Sam and you're like, Wow, 498 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 1: it's not close. If Kyler comes in and looks good, 499 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: and I think he will, I think it's unfair to JJ. 500 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 1: I think you got to give him a fresh start. 501 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 1: I really so. 502 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 5: Sam Donald was the quarterback on a fourteen and three 503 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 5: Vikings team. They were really good. I mean, could Kyler 504 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 5: help get them there? 505 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 1: Well? 506 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:28,679 Speaker 5: Eleven. 507 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy is younger than Ty Simpson. He's still a kid. Yes, 508 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 1: when Sam Donald went to New York, he was twenty 509 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 1: years old. Nobody ever talked about that. Sam wasn't ready 510 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: for it. So a lot of a lot of JJ 511 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: McCarthy is he's really really young, and pro sports is hard. 512 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 1: Quarterback is hard. So my take is, if it doesn't 513 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: work in camp, let's give the kid a fresh start. 514 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 1: Sam Donald, Baker Mayfield, we have seen this before. Fresh 515 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: starts just just hey, send them down to Arizona, said 516 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: do something. 517 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 5: Say we'll take him on the Jets, you know, with 518 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 5: Gino Smiths Locks. 519 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: I will say this. I was never a huge fan, 520 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 1: but he could move. I mean he is a modern quarterback. 521 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: He his confidence, ebbs and flows, but he's got a 522 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: pretty good arm and he moves pretty well. 523 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 5: Jim Harball loves him, Harb, So that's tough that. 524 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: That's actually really interesting. Would the Chargers bylow Well, would 525 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,919 Speaker 1: the Chargers take him as a too, That's a really 526 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: really interesting one. I mean, no threat to Herbert, but 527 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 1: in a long season, Jim knows him, Jim likes him. 528 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: Then a pinch that. That's a really interesting discussion. 529 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 5: And so we do here on the show. Final story Colin. Today, 530 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 5: let's bring it back to the New York Football Jets. 531 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 5: How about a big free agent signing Gino Smith. Yeah, 532 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 5: that was a joke. He had a decent run in Seattle, 533 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 5: struggled at the end. The Raiders was a disaster. Now 534 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 5: Aaron Glenn joins forces with Gino Smith. And here's Aaron 535 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 5: Glenn's outlook for the Jets in twenty six. 536 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 9: Do you always want to bring in competition and that's 537 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 9: going to happen organically, you feel what I'm saying. But 538 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 9: like I just feel like like he's the guy who's 539 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:15,360 Speaker 9: going to lead us to the promise land. 540 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 4: He's the guy who's going to touch the ball more 541 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 4: than anybody else on offense. 542 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 9: And listen, I know he had his struggle and I 543 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 9: think a lot of quarterbacks you know they have their struggles. 544 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,199 Speaker 9: If you look at over the last five years, the 545 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,160 Speaker 9: guy has has thrown the most interception. 546 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 4: I mean the top guys are up there. 547 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 5: I like Aaron Glenn's shirt, did you see it? I 548 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 5: try to go with an extra unbuttoned and sometimes they're like, hey, 549 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 5: j Max, can you button it up? I mean, look 550 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,400 Speaker 5: at this. Doesn't this look kind of good? Like I'm 551 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 5: going to a seventies nightclub with coward back. 552 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 4: In the day. 553 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's twenty twenty six. You may want to 554 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: upgrade your style. 555 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 4: Yeah. 556 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 5: By the way, lead us to the Promised Land. You 557 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 5: know what that means. That's code for the number one pick. 558 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 5: Arch Manning. Come on down. 559 00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,919 Speaker 1: They have a serious conversation. Aaron going to he's not 560 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: going to be the coach. 561 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 5: Seven, right, He's not going to be So I think 562 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 5: that's realistic. 563 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 1: Is there a coach out there we should all? I 564 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: think Marcus Freeman? 565 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, baby, oh, I like where your mind is that. 566 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 5: I would take Marcus Freeman in a heartbeat. 567 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: Well, a lot of teams would, so, I mean it's it's. 568 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 5: I don't know. If you go to the Jets, we 569 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 5: got something that owner is really just meddling and annoying. 570 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 5: Nobody likes him. I'm trying to think of another like 571 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 5: other than Freeman. Well, Ryan Day, Ryan Day, wasn't he 572 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 5: on the show today? 573 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: Well after Lincoln Riley went to Natty this year, maybe 574 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley. 575 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 5: Lincoln Riley's winning a Natty. What do you got there 576 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 5: in your cup? 577 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 4: Buddy? 578 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 5: Is that coffee? Your alcohol? 579 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:41,400 Speaker 1: What Natty? 580 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 5: Are you serious? Wow? 581 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: A little, a little gin and Coco. Never heard anybody 582 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: jack within the news. 583 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the 584 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 2: Herd line one more heard. The Herd streams twenty four 585 00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,679 Speaker 2: hours a day, seven days a week within the iHeart 586 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 2: Radio app. Search her to listen live or on demand 587 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 2: whenever you like. 588 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: Well, it's good to have you. In NBA playoffs for 589 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,479 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks away. We got Illinois taken on 590 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 1: Yukon and we got Arizona Michigan, which feels like that's 591 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 1: a real heavyweight. About Brad Underwood, the Illinois coach, he 592 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 1: talked about he's got a European roster, He's got a 593 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: high school guy that turned out to be a phenom. 594 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,199 Speaker 1: It's not just about having this nil money and just 595 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: go go buying points. Here's Brad Underwood. 596 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 10: We've developed relationships with the agents, with the coaches. I 597 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 10: did a clinic in Belgrade this summer. That was as 598 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,959 Speaker 10: good a basketball clinic as I've ever been a part of. 599 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 4: But they fit us. 600 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 10: We got Thomas lava Visich first and then, to be honest, 601 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 10: it was it was it was leaning on him to 602 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 10: find out about the character, to find out about who 603 00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 10: they are as a person. Do they fit in our 604 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 10: locker room? And I'm a really big character guy. I 605 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 10: want character, not characters. 606 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,959 Speaker 1: And it's interesting on a day we talked about Jaden 607 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 1: Ivy of the Bulls. What's the first thing the coach 608 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 1: talks about culture and character and if you just don't 609 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 1: mesh well with others, you know, I listen. I understand 610 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: Christians in this country feel marginalized. I totally get that. 611 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: And a lot of times, you know the messages you 612 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 1: may hear at church, whatever those are, that doctrine you say, 613 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: you talk about that the media can eat politicians alive 614 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 1: and be very snarky and mean spirited about it. But 615 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: it really does come down to I mean, you ask 616 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: yourself this like it doesn't take I remember talking years 617 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: and years and years ago to a baseball player. It 618 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: was Jimmy Rollins. He was a baseball player for the Phillies, 619 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 1: and we were talking about, like, you know his I 620 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: think he was on a World Series team. And he said, listen, man, 621 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: it just takes one annoying guy in a locker room, 622 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: like you're traveling with him. He goes baseball. You got 623 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 1: spring training, you got the regular season. You know you 624 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: could have the postseason. It's twenty five road trips, you know, 625 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: it just it just I remember remember for this is 626 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: not analogous, but remember you see o Puig for the 627 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: Dodgers came in and he was a remarkable player. And 628 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 1: I remember, you know a lot of people in Clayton 629 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: Kershaw had been mentioned, is that Kershaw was sort of 630 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: the culture center and Puigue was immature and and just 631 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: did not fit really the culture of the Dodgers. And 632 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: he was a remarkably talented guy. But I remember that 633 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 1: was one of those Wow, just make it work. Well 634 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: when you're I mean you're when you're playing baseball, you're 635 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 1: with guys for seven and a half months. I was 636 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: just talking to David Ross, who was part of that 637 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: World Series for the Cubs ten years ago. He's won 638 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: a couple of them. One Red Sox won one Cubs, 639 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 1: and he said, one of the great things about that 640 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 1: Chicago Cubs team is like on the days off, days off, 641 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 1: thinking you're with your teammates for seven months, on the 642 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: days off, the guys would get together and go out 643 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: in a boat in Lake Michigan. Not hang out, you know, 644 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 1: all right, give me a day off from these guys. 645 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: No day off. Guys are like, bro, get a couple 646 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 1: of boats, let's go out right outside the city Lake Michigan. 647 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 1: Like a part of that team was just this tight fabric, 648 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: this community, and so you know, people just want to 649 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: throw money. I remember, and I always feel this about 650 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: especially football and IL like if a guy's really great 651 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: for Georgia, they're going to keep him right. Like it's 652 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 1: you know, like when Caleb Williams went Oklahoma to US. 653 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: See that's a coach. Then you're following a coach. I 654 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: get that, but take quarterback out of it. Where quarterbacks 655 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 1: go a lot of times, Lane Kiffin texted me once 656 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: and said, offensive players will follow a coach. Lane's like 657 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 1: I can get quarterbacks or receivers because I can draw 658 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: on the whiteboard, what they will do and how I 659 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 1: can enhance and elevate their football career. He goes, so 660 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 1: offensive players, you know, your quarterbacks, your wide receivers, tight ends, 661 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 1: How will I be used? They will follow a coach, 662 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 1: but a lot of great defensive players. They're going to 663 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: the big brands. They want to play at Texas, they 664 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 1: want to play at Georgia, they want to play at 665 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: Ohio State and Michigan. It's not about the coach, It's 666 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: about show me the NIL money and does this school 667 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 1: have a history of putting defensive linemen in the NFL? 668 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 1: So if football is kind of interesting with the nil. 669 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 1: You know, basketball you have only so many players. It's 670 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 1: a tight locker room. And you know you have to 671 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: watch a guy and you got to hope is he 672 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: ball centric? Is he a good teammate? Does he elevate others? 673 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: I've said this about Darren Peterson for Kansas. He's a 674 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 1: remarkable player. Kind of plays in the silo, kind of 675 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: plays for himself. I mean they were nine and two 676 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 1: when he didn't play. They had a lower winning percentage 677 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: when he didn't play, or they had a higher winning 678 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: percentage when he didn't play. They had a lower winning 679 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 1: percentage when he played, so he wasn't elevating others. Doesn't 680 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 1: mean he's not great, but you know, there's one basketball 681 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 1: and if your ball centric, you know, that's why watching 682 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: Michigan at the United Center was so much fun. It's 683 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 1: not that they have this dominant big or Lennenburg who's 684 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 1: going to be a you know, a lottery pick. That's 685 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 1: not it. The passing and the teamwork was. It was like, 686 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: I felt like you were watching NBA passing, which has 687 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 1: always been several notches above college passing. But you watch 688 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: I'm telling you that Michigan Arizona game, that is one 689 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 1: for the ages. That is, you're gonna have nine NBA guys. 690 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 1: Think about that, how college basketball is growing with an 691 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 1: Iel You're gonna have at least eight nine NBA guys 692 00:33:55,040 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 1: in that game. That is. That was just not what 693 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:04,239 Speaker 1: was happening pre Ni l You weren't getting that ten 694 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:09,360 Speaker 1: years ago. All right, we are done, We'll see you tomorrow.