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Speaker 1: Welcome to the No Dunks Podcast presented by FanDuel. We've

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Speaker 1: got a fun one today. I'm tas Mellis in the

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Speaker 1: Trey Kirby. Hey e oh yeah, I the man making

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Speaker 1: a second. It's JD. Hell, what's going on? JD. We're good.

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Speaker 1: We're good. We're so good because we've got doctor James

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Speaker 1: Porcher's joining us Viazuombre.

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Speaker 2: He is.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, doctor Borchers for joining us. You

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Speaker 1: wear so many hats. You've got such an extensive resume.

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Speaker 1: We're going to get to it as we go along

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Speaker 1: in this interview. We appreciate you joining us right now.

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Speaker 1: I'll start with a generic question for you, because one

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Speaker 1: of the hats that you wear as the president and

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Speaker 1: CEO of the US Council for Athletes Health that you

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Speaker 1: started seven years ago, you and your fellow doctors you

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Speaker 1: discuss you literally are hand to hand with teams organizations

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Speaker 1: from all age levels, whether it's you know, youth, high school, college,

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Speaker 1: and you get to the bottom of what's going on

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Speaker 1: with those teams and organizations trying to optimize their players' health.

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Speaker 1: So the generic question is, as you see here in

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Speaker 1: Number one, is there a reason for that? Number two?

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Speaker 1: Is there anything that the NBA can do to adopt

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Speaker 1: sort of a generic plan to help those injuries.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well thanks for having me guys.

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Speaker 3: First of all, great to be on with you and

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Speaker 3: appreciate you taking on this topic and having me on

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Speaker 3: to talk about it. I think, you know, to start,

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Speaker 3: let me just say that I think athletics today, you know,

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Speaker 3: we are seeing more and more injuries at every level,

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Speaker 3: but certainly as you mentioned, in the sport of basketball,

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Speaker 3: and I think that you have to start looking back

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Speaker 3: been going on in U sports for the past fifteen years,

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Speaker 3: with increased volumes, increased sports specialization, and so you start

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Speaker 3: to add all that up over time, and no matter

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Speaker 3: what you're doing currently, there is an effect of everything

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Speaker 3: that's happened from AAU basketball to college basketball. And then

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Speaker 3: you see athletes getting into the NBA and the increased

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Speaker 3: So I think there's a cumulative effect, right, and it's

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Speaker 3: not just about what happens once somebody gets to the NBA,

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Speaker 3: And I think we've got to look at you sport,

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Speaker 3: affect some of the injuries that we're seeing. But then

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Speaker 3: I think, also, you know, why didn't we see as

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Speaker 2: And I think we look at what.

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Speaker 3: Goes on in the off season, what goes on with

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Speaker 3: are we allowing athletes to recover, what are the you know,

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Speaker 3: what does the season look like, what's the cadence of

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Speaker 2: And I think the NBA tries to do that.

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Speaker 3: I think every sports league is trying to look at,

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Speaker 3: you know, how can we minimize those effects. But you

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Speaker 3: guys know, as well as any as anybody else, you start,

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Speaker 3: you know, adding games, wanting more games, more playoffs, add

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Speaker 3: in other events, international events, Olympic events, off season training.

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Speaker 3: That cumulative effect is just going to lead to wear

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Speaker 1: So specifically, as you said, the accumulation that we've seen

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Speaker 1: especially with Achilles injuries. Is that stemming from youth ball,

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Speaker 1: Is it just an accumulation or is it just these

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Speaker 2: A cumulative effect.

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Speaker 3: In my opinion, it has to do with the amount

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Speaker 3: cumulative effect of breakdown on a tissue, and I think

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Speaker 3: then you see these micro injuries or minor injuries, and

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Speaker 4: Hearing you explain it, it basically sounds like even young

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Speaker 4: games through AAU, through their high school teams, their different

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Speaker 4: That doesn't happen quite as often. Why why is that

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Speaker 3: Well, it's just you're doing the same activity over and

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Speaker 3: I'm just telling you, younger athletes they get to college,

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Speaker 3: it's just it's what we've done with youth sport. And

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Speaker 2: So you're gonna end up with more problems and more injuries.

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Speaker 3: then they're you know, you know, they're going to see

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Speaker 3: these injuries as they move forward. It's not just the

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Speaker 1: Level, specifically with achilles. I've heard you talk about how

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Speaker 1: modern day recoveries for achilles are so much faster. Is

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Speaker 3: Better, you know, when you used to see the achilles

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Speaker 3: I think the surgical techniques are obviously better today, but

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Speaker 3: the biggest thing is the rehabilitation, the constant rehabilitation that

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Speaker 2: And so there's a benefit to that.

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Speaker 3: And I think that you know, that ability to rehab

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Speaker 2: And how we get people back from those types of injuries.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, as far as rehab and recovery, we all sort

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Speaker 1: of hear it, Oh, it's incredibly important, But then hearing

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Speaker 1: you speak about it in a lot of your interviews,

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Speaker 1: you prioritize, prioritize it so much. I just wonder with

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Speaker 1: we just don't have a Minister of Sports to implement that,

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Speaker 1: a uniform plan? Well, I think that as much as

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Speaker 1: how the cadence of the season works.

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Speaker 2: What resources are available to teams.

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Speaker 3: I can tell you the NBA teams, I mean, they

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Speaker 2: They go forward. There.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's just no benefit to breaking your body

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Speaker 3: it's really hard to un do what's happened in someone's past.

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Speaker 4: We're dads here, what's the age that we should see

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Speaker 4: our kids actually start specializing because youth sport is incredibly competitive,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, the evidence is out there. You guys know this.

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Speaker 3: The best athletes in the world and every sport are

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Speaker 2: Jim, Yeah, it's just overall load.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, the first thing is is don't get injured.

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Speaker 2: But in any sport, and.

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Speaker 1: One interesting thing we see in the NBA. Is there

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Speaker 4: And it's a lot more fun too, because if you

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Speaker 2: And so I think all of those play a huge role.

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Speaker 3: sleeping differently, how's your nutrition? Even if you pay attention

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Speaker 3: to all that fatigue is going to set in and.

436
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Speaker 2: You're going to be at risk.

437
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Speaker 3: So I think all of those things play a role

438
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Speaker 3: in how athletes recover and then ultimately how they perform

439
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Speaker 3: and what risk they're at.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm already thinking about my load management plan for

441
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Speaker 4: the holidays, because I know it's going to throw me

442
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Speaker 4: off from a living standpoint, traveling back and forth and

443
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 4: just eating for you know, a week and a half straight.

444
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Speaker 4: But listening to you talk, Doc, it sounds like you

445
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Speaker 4: are generally in support of the way that NBA players

446
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Speaker 4: have gotten smarter about load management and you know, resting

447
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 4: maybe the third night of three games in four nights,

448
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,119
Speaker 4: or the second night of a back to back. There

449
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,679
Speaker 4: was the big Player Participation Policy which came into effect

450
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Speaker 4: in the NBA quite recently to keep the star players

451
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Speaker 4: on the court. But it sounds like in general you

452
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Speaker 4: would support the plans that have been put in place

453
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Speaker 4: where we want our stars on the court as much

454
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Speaker 4: as possible, but the way to keep them on the

455
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Speaker 4: court is by keeping them healthy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no question.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think it's fair to ask any athlete,

458
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Speaker 3: regardless of the level, to try to compete in conditions

459
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Speaker 3: where they're just not able to perform at their best,

460
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Speaker 3: and you know, what does your best look like? Not

461
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 3: everybody has it every night, but you know, let's make

462
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Speaker 3: certain that we recognize how people perform at their best

463
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Speaker 3: and what we're asking them to do, and how that

464
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Speaker 3: maybe look different today than it maybe did in generations past.

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Speaker 3: And especially I just think looking at the athletes, and

466
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Speaker 3: I just can't emphasize it enough. I just think it's

467
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Speaker 3: different what these as leets have done in the youth

468
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Speaker 3: athletic space coming up, and that wear and tear on

469
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Speaker 3: their body is just different than it was twenty five

470
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Speaker 3: thirty years ago.

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Speaker 2: It's sort of doing different things.

472
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Speaker 3: They're playing multiple sports, they weren't playing as much AAU,

473
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 3: they weren't traveling as much. They just didn't have those

474
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Speaker 3: sorts of effects. So I think you got to take

475
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Speaker 3: all that into account and you make the best plan

476
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Speaker 3: you can moving forward. I think people just need to

477
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Speaker 3: recognize that just because you've got three games in four

478
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Speaker 3: nights and maybe somebody's sitting out that third game, it's

479
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Speaker 3: not just that third game that's part of the issue,

480
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Speaker 3: and it's not just what's going on this season that's

481
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Speaker 3: part of the issue. It's part of the whole environment

482
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Speaker 3: around sport. And it might be what that twenty four

483
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Speaker 3: or twenty five or thirty year old was doing when

484
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Speaker 3: they were fifteen, that's a lot different than what a generation.

485
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Speaker 2: Ago was doing when they were fifteen. That's leading to

486
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Speaker 2: some of this.

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Speaker 1: We've got it shortened the season.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that sounds like a lot of the cause is

489
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Speaker 4: too much basketball unfortunately.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. One thing that I think at.

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Speaker 2: A young age, Yeah, I do. I think.

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Speaker 3: I think, you know, I like I told you guys, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh,

493
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Speaker 3: eighth graders, and the amount of basketball that they're playing,

494
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Speaker 3: amount of any sport that they're playing, if they're specializing,

495
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Speaker 3: it's crazy. I mean, I look, I'm an old guy now,

496
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Speaker 3: but I think back to the days, you know, men

497
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Speaker 3: think about that kind of sports specialization.

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Speaker 2: First of all, my parents would have never you know,

499
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Speaker 2: would have never done that. You just played for your school.

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Speaker 3: But now, I mean, you've got kids that are playing

501
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Speaker 3: way more than eighty two games in the year in

502
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Speaker 3: their own uh you know, in their own season.

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Speaker 2: So I yeah, I do.

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Speaker 3: I think sports specialization at youth the level is a

505
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Speaker 3: huge deal. And just look at the athletes and I

506
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Speaker 3: just told you guys, you know, if you get injured,

507
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 3: the likelihood of re injury is so much greater, and

508
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 3: that carries through with you, that doesn't go away.

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Speaker 1: Before we let you go, I want to end on

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Speaker 1: one positive note. You said the eighty two games. We

511
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Speaker 1: are seeing players play more of those eighty two games

512
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Speaker 1: seasons than in prior eras of the NBA. Guys are

513
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Speaker 1: just having longer careers. Is it the recovery? The knowledge

514
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Speaker 1: that that's what comes along with being an NBA player? Now,

515
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Speaker 1: how they take care of their bodies.

516
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Speaker 3: You just can't believe the amount of emphasis right on

517
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Speaker 3: how they recover, what they're putting into their you know, recovery,

518
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,719
Speaker 3: how they pay attention to what they eat, the teams

519
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 3: they surround themselves with, and I think, you know, it's

520
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 3: incredible to see the commitment that you know, people can

521
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 3: make and be playing into their thirties and forties and

522
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,439
Speaker 3: you know, and look at what they're able to, you know,

523
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 3: what they're able to do, but that that takes an

524
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Speaker 3: amazing commitment, It takes an amazing team around you, It

525
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 3: takes amazing dedication. And not to say that you know,

526
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 3: people weren't dedicated like that, but we understand the science

527
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 3: better now, we understand what it takes to performance your.

528
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Speaker 2: Highest for a longer period of time.

529
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Speaker 3: And I just think you see more athletes dedicated to

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Speaker 3: their craft, dedicated to what it takes to do that

531
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Speaker 3: for a long period time, and I think that helps,

532
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 3: obviously in those prolonged careers that we're seeing now. It's

533
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 3: just amazing to see how long some of these folks

534
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 3: are playing. But I know what some of these guys

535
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 3: do in the off season. I know what some of

536
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 3: them are doing in the season, and how much time

537
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,479
Speaker 3: and how many of their own resources they're dedicating to that.

538
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 2: And I think that's why you're seeing it.

539
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 4: Well, you said you're an old guy. So are we,

540
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,199
Speaker 4: and we're trying to prolong our careers as well. We

541
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 4: don't have the resources that a Lebron James has to

542
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 4: pour into his body to stay healthy at forty one.

543
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 4: What's something that us normal people can do to stay

544
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 4: healthy when we're trying to get out there and you know,

545
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 4: make a highlight reel for Instagram.

546
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's kind of three. You know things

547
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 2: that you can do.

548
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 3: One, right, is exercise every day, And that doesn't mean

549
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 3: that you got to go you know, you know, destroy

550
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 3: yourself every day. But I think exercise, you know, you're

551
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 3: moving and you're doing things obviously, is going to keep

552
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 3: you healthy. Number two is nutrition, paying attention to nutrition.

553
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 3: You got to live life. But you know, how do

554
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 3: you how do you eat and how do you take

555
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 3: care of yourself? And then I think the third thing is,

556
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 3: you know, do you give yourself a chance to recover?

557
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 3: I mean, we are society is so used to burning

558
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 3: the candle and I'm guilty of this. You know, put

559
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 3: in these huge days and you know, do you rest,

560
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 3: do you recover? Do you take time to you know,

561
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 3: gear back a little bit? Are you sleeping appropriately? And

562
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 3: I think if you follow those things, you're going to

563
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 3: prolong a lot, right, You're gonna you're gonna be able

564
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Speaker 3: to do things for longer and and be able to

565
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 3: you know, do the things you like to do for longer.

566
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 3: So I think if you take you know, what's my

567
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 3: activity level?

568
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 2: Look like?

569
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 3: Am I active every day? Do I pay attention to

570
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 3: my nutrition? And then do I find a way to recover?

571
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 3: Do I sleep well? Do I you know, find some

572
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 3: time where I'm gearing back and not letting stress and

573
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 3: you know, and all those things affect me. If you can,

574
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 3: if you can accomplish that, I think you got a

575
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 3: great chance to be healthy and happy and do the

576
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Speaker 3: things that you like to do.

577
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Speaker 4: I was worried you were going to say sleep. I

578
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 4: knew it was coming up. But it's just so fun

579
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 4: to watch those West Coast games.

580
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 3: You know, you can wear, you can wear, you can

581
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 3: wear all the wearables you want, you can take all

582
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 3: the supplements you want. The best recovery modality out there

583
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 3: is sleep, and there's nothing that substitutes for it. So

584
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 3: if you don't sleep, you can do all these other things,

585
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 3: and you can monitor all these other things. Sleep is

586
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 3: you know, it's just imperative. It's just it's kind of

587
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 3: the secret sauce. As I tell people to like, you

588
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 3: don't have to invest much in it, accept your time

589
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 3: and commitment to doing it.

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Speaker 4: Connect me exactly. Yeah, Yeah, committed to Sleep is free.

591
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 4: One of the few things out there that's right.

592
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Speaker 2: Sleep is free.

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00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, we won't let force you to listen to

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Speaker 1: this story. I've got Jim about my lack of sleep

595
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: last night. It was just too hot. It's too hot

596
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: in my bed. My wife and I my wife and

597
00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: I have had separate plankets for years. Anyways, we'll stop there. Jim,

598
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on. I hope to

599
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: have you back on later in the season. Appreciate you

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00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: coming on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks guys anytime. I really enjoyed it.

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Speaker 1: All right, Jim, Doctor James Borchers joining us today. We've

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Speaker 1: got lots to get to. We've got Franz Wagner injury news.

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Speaker 1: We got to talk about plenty of other trade proposals.

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Speaker 1: What do you what do you smiling about?

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Speaker 4: I slept that last night was Yeah, I'll play the

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Speaker 4: last five minutes for our for our wives. Yeah, we're

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Speaker 4: turning down the tenths, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: Well, mine was that it was too cold in my

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Speaker 1: room last Friday, so we went back to that the

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Speaker 4: I was sweat, all right.

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Speaker 1: So he's a heavy favorite.

654
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 4: He's the favorite. Yeah, I think that's a pretty strong favorite.

655
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. Maybe I think you're going a little too heavy.

656
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: I think it's right fun minus one twenty. Yeah, minus

657
00:32:58,560 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: one twenty.

658
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 4: He's coming down the other side. Apparently.

659
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: I'm still taking him.

660
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 4: Get your votes in, I'll throw I'll pull up here

661
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 4: in a second. On that, well, I talk about Franz Wagner.

662
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 4: The Magic got some sort of good news yesterday. Franz

663
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 4: Wagner avoided a major injury as an MRI showed no

664
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 4: damage to his knee, but he's got a high ankle

665
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 4: sprain after taking that hard fall against the Knicks. Now,

666
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 4: there's no official timeline for his return, that's just how

667
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 4: the Magic do things. But a high ankle sprain usually

668
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 4: keeps players out two to four weeks. The Magic said

669
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 4: it will depend on how Franz responds to the treatment.

670
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 4: So they're kind of just training this as an ankle

671
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 4: sprain and saying, hey, whenever he's back, he will be back.

672
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 4: What do you think about this task, Franz Wagner avoiding

673
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 4: a major, major injury.

674
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you got to be extremely happy that

675
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: no tendon, no soft tissue injury. Is doctor Borcher's mentioned there,

676
00:33:55,760 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: that's that's the optimal experience. No lea knee ligament, no tenant,

677
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: it's a high ankle sprain. As Scham's originally reported, the

678
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 1: general return is two to four weeks. So yeah, it's

679
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: it's it's an optimal situation. And I kind of like,

680
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: I think this has become a habit of NBA teams

681
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: now just to say we are not setting a timeline,

682
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: and if we do set a timeline, it's way few

683
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: further in the future than his actual return date. I

684
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: think that's happening more and more. We saw it a

685
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: little bit with Luca earlier this year. Now it's not

686
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: wasn't way further in the future, but you know, a

687
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: week when he'll be reevaluated and he came back in

688
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 1: you know, six days. There's another one that I'm forgetting

689
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: about already that already happened. There was definitely another one, so.

690
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Ad, maybe I don't know what it was.

691
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 4: Somebody came back from a calf strain a little bit early.

692
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, So in this situation, Paul Bancaro now has the

693
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: opportunity just to be more of the guy. Is that

694
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: a bad thing? I know you mentioned that you're kind

695
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: of congzant. What's happening there in Orlando?

696
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 4: Well, I like Polo as a player for sure, but

697
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 4: the magic took off when he went down with injury.

698
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 4: They had started turning things around before he went down

699
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 4: with his malady. The thing with Polo is that he

700
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 4: handles the ball and pounds the ball a lot more

701
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 4: than Franz Vogduy does. Franz will get off of it

702
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 4: as soon as it's time to get off of it.

703
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,879
Speaker 4: He's a right play machine, and Polo's not always that guy.

704
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 4: But I think in his couple of games returning to

705
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 4: the Magic before Franz went out with injury, he was

706
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 4: really trying to fit in with what they were doing.

707
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 4: They're playing a lot more guards, they are moving the

708
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 4: ball quickly in the half court scenarios, they're actually scoring

709
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 4: a bunch of fast break points, and it looked to

710
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 4: me like he was trying to be a part of

711
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 4: what the Magic had going on. They need him to

712
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 4: both fit in and fit out at the same time.

713
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,879
Speaker 4: They need him to be the guy who can score

714
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 4: in the last five seconds of a show, even though

715
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 4: Desmond Bain has been really good doing that the past

716
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 4: couple of weeks. But they also need him to move

717
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 4: the ball the way Franz did, to get off of

718
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,479
Speaker 4: it when it's time to not be the one who

719
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 4: has to have the assist, just be the guy who

720
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 4: gets the ball moving. So I think he can do that.

721
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:17,760
Speaker 4: It's just going to be a different sort of style

722
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 4: of play for polo than what we've seen, and you know,

723
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 4: a fewer mid range jumpers. I think is good. Getting

724
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 4: to the rim is good. Franz is getting downhill consistently,

725
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:31,760
Speaker 4: but it looked like a concerted effort on Boncaro's part

726
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 4: to try and be a part of what the Magic

727
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 4: have going on. So I'm a little optimistic that he

728
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 4: can blend the way he usually plays with the way

729
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 4: that Franz Wagner he usually plays bad news, though I

730
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 4: would say for the Magic's Cup chances, unfortunately, but good

731
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 4: news all things considered. With the way he went down,

732
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 4: I looked nasty. So if he only misses a month,

733
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 4: I think even that would be awesome.

734
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 1: Right right right, And they're gonna hold him out, you know,

735
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 1: the longer the better. As we see with a lot

736
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: of scenarios here, janis to Gumpo out two to four weeks,

737
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: and Doc has said we are going to push it.

738
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: We know Giannis wants to push it the other way.

739
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 1: He wants to come back as soon as possible, because

740
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: that's the groupo. But we're going to push it the

741
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: other direction. They're busy practicing. Four days off. He said,

742
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: we've got four days off in between games. Two of

743
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 1: those days we're going to take off because they can relax,

744
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: which was I thought was interesting. It's about recovery, man,

745
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 1: it is about recovery. It's very very important. Lebron James

746
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: knows about that, and that's why in our poll, I'm

747
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: a little surprised two thirds of people, sixty seven percent

748
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: of people think Lebron James is going to play more

749
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:41,720
Speaker 1: games in the rest of his career. And rap Stallion

750
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: sixty six one five jumps in and he said, if

751
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: you make that an official poll, it'll give Bron the

752
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 1: inspiration to prove the MB voters wrong. He'd play till

753
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: sixty if need be. I disagree with that. I think

754
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: he's kind of done with any any sort of accolades

755
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: or numbers. I don't even know if he really cares

756
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: if he gets to Robert Parrish's most games played record,

757
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: which he could this year if he played all the

758
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: way through the end of the season.

759
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 4: It's like really close now, right with how many games

760
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 4: he missed at the beginning of the season.

761
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: I think he's kind of done with that.

762
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 4: I think Lebron is very aware of every record he

763
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 4: has a chance of possibly setting, so I think he

764
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 4: will stay around until he has that one for sure.

765
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 4: It might be this year.

766
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just don't think it's an even It's not

767
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 1: that much of a record. But you know, you're right,

768
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: I know that's one that could be passed one day,

769
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: you know, maybe no alps.

770
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 4: Now, well, I mean, I guess I wouldn't have thought

771
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 4: that Robert Parrish would get broken. But then once players

772
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,240
Speaker 4: started coming into the NBA as high school players again,

773
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 4: it opened the door for that being the case. But

774
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 4: I mean, there's nobody like Lebron who started when he

775
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 4: was eighteen and is still going at forty one, nearly

776
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 4: forty one, And it doesn't feel like this is his

777
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 4: last season. We will know ahead of time when it's

778
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,280
Speaker 4: Lebron's last season, unlike Chris Paul.

779
00:38:55,560 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: So interesting, interesting debate. Maybe yeah, well it's unlikely that

780
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: this is his last season.

781
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 4: But he's just going to retire at the end of

782
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 4: a year. No way, I want the retirement tour. Yeah,

783
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 4: but I know.

784
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 1: But at the same time, he didn't even play to

785
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 1: start this season. Do you want to make your your

786
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: tour timing you don't show up?

787
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 4: Like the first time ever in his life, he said,

788
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 4: even when he's a nine year old, he was playing

789
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 4: at the start of the season. He's saying that won't

790
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 4: happen again next year. Celebrate me when I'm back in

791
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 4: Cleveland helping them try and win another title. Just watch that. Yeah,

792
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 4: start his end his career where he started it.

793
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 1: Maybe he'll be a Chris Paul. Yeah for sure. Maybe

794
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,439
Speaker 1: he'll be a Chris Paul and announce it a month

795
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: in knowing it's like okay, maybe if things don't go

796
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: well here in December where he starts to feel older,

797
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: he'll be like, all right, I'm done. I'll let you

798
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: guys know, but you're right. Be sure he feels it

799
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: in Chris Paul, he is still Lebron James, so he

800
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 1: could last more.

801
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 4: In other magic news, Desmond Baine was fined thirty five

802
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 4: thousand dollars for chucking that ball at oh Giananobi second.

803
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 4: Finally the year for Desmond Baine, he got docked two

804
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 4: thousand dollars for his ejection in the Hawks game, where

805
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:11,240
Speaker 4: he wasn't as nasty as his throw off in Nyaka Conglu.

806
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 4: It was more of like a like a volleyball spike.

807
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that one. This was hilarious.

808
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 4: This one was hilarious. Worth it you think, Yeah, I

809
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 4: throw the ball that hard. I think you should be

810
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 4: allowed to do that.

811
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I would say, you know, after the spike

812
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: on Anak Conglu, the magic they turned things around. I

813
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: got a weak whistle today. They turned things around at

814
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 1: Bodeswall for their NBA Cup game tonight in their quarterfinal

815
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: against the Miami Heat.

816
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 4: Who I Shall See twenty twenty two. Also, Bain was

817
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 4: fined for kicking the ball into the stands as an

818
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 4: underrated temper. Boy. You know, Desmond Baine likes to get

819
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,280
Speaker 4: into it with some people. Maybe tonight, with the bright

820
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 4: lights of the Cup game shining upon him, we'll see.

821
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 1: It some more angry. It was hilarious though.

822
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 4: It is pretty funny. A lot didn't to do that.

823
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 4: You could have just turned and took the ball down

824
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 4: the court.

825
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, he just threw it off him. Hey, it's off him.

826
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: We're good hard.

827
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 4: Ball and last Night's Action Action. Last Night's Action, Anthony

828
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,280
Speaker 4: Edwards scored forty points, but the Sun snapped the Timberwolves

829
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 4: five game win streak thanks to a big night from

830
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 4: money Mark Williams in a sick rookie battle, Derek Queen

831
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 4: got his first triple double, but Dylan Harper got his

832
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 4: first game winners. The Spurs beat the Pels fun one

833
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,280
Speaker 4: down in New Orleans, and the Pacers beat the Kings

834
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 4: thanks to twenty eight and twelve from Andrew Nemhardt. Any

835
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 4: of these games interest you, Tassi.

836
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: Well, that Phoenix Minnesota game, it's so fun. We try

837
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 1: and talk about everything and every player. And I know

838
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: I give Colin Gillespie lots of love, but Mark Williams,

839
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: as you just said, he's freaking important for that team,

840
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: and somehow he's playing and he's not getting injured. And

841
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: speaking of temper boys, Rudy Gobert pushed him to get

842
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,879
Speaker 1: ejected in the third quarter. That was pretty key in

843
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: this game. And then Colin Gillespie caught fire in the

844
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: fourth quarter, scoring eleven points for them. He had a

845
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: step back, he got space on Jane McDaniels on a drive.

846
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: Was there a little bit of a chicken arm? I

847
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 1: don't think it was a chicken arm. I think he

848
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: just had his arm there and it wasn't a push off.

849
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,720
Speaker 1: But the guy scoring eleven points in the fourth quarter

850
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: is so key. If the Minnesota Timberwolves could just pluck

851
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 1: Colin Gillespie off the other team's bench and put him

852
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 1: on theirs, they would be so excited because they are

853
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: so desperate for another guard. He saw Bones Highland playing

854
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter for this team. That guy had

855
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: played one minute over the previous three weeks, about three

856
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: weeks of games, and then he hit three buckets in

857
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter.

858
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's doing a little little celebration.

859
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 1: Sorry, celebrating hitting a shot. Now. I'm not saying that

860
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: that's gonna be the future of the Minnesota Timberwolves, but

861
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 1: that's how desperate they are.

862
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 4: Exactly like, he had barely played and they dusted him off,

863
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 4: and he actually played pretty well. But I don't think

864
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 4: a reliable option for the Timberwolves. And like you're saying,

865
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 4: they just don't have reliable options because otherwise Edward's played

866
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 4: well well, Randall played pretty well. Gobert was doing well

867
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 4: until he went crazy and you know, knocking Mark Williams

868
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 4: out of the air, super dangerous play. He deserved to

869
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,280
Speaker 4: be ejected for hitting the guy as he was jumping,

870
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 4: but Mark Williams has also taking it to him. On

871
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 4: the other end, I thought he played really well. Six

872
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 4: sons in double digits. I do think it's interesting, though,

873
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 4: fifth forty point game of the season for Anthony Edwards

874
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 4: and the Timberwolves are only two and three when he

875
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 4: goes for forty. The guy's having an awesome year. He's

876
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 4: almost a fifty to forty ninety player averaging like twenty

877
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 4: eight a game. But similar to the way Donovan Mitchell

878
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 4: has played with the Cavaliers. Sometimes it's just like you

879
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 4: have to score this many points for us to do

880
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 4: anything on the offensive end of the court. So nice

881
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 4: stuff for the Suns to get that road win without Booker.

882
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 4: But I really think the Timberwolves are a team that's

883
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 4: in need of some sort of a trade to take

884
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 4: a little bit of a step forward in the West.

885
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. I talked about Chris Paul as soon

886
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: as he announced his return. Iron Man thought, if he's

887
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 1: going to get traded to a team that has any hopes,

888
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: that Minnesota would be it. But at the same time,

889
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: he definitely needs somebody who can create for himself, and

890
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: as great as Chris Paul is, it's not him right now.

891
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: I think anything would help. We've seen it in the past.

892
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: They try many guys. They've tried, you know, Monte Morris

893
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 1: last year. They try guys to be that other one

894
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: besides Anthony Edwards who can create for himself. So I

895
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: don't know how much Bones Hihland plays for this team,

896
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 1: but Anthony Edwards apparently he talks to the coaches every

897
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:44,439
Speaker 1: day trying to get Bones Island involved, and yeah, it's

898
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: not Rob Dillingham, and it's they're desperate. They're desperate for somebody.

899
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

900
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 4: I think Bones Highland is a player that players love

901
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 4: because he can score like he's a great one on

902
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 4: one player and he can get a bucket. And that's

903
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 4: probably why Anthony had Wards has a lot of respect

904
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 4: for him, and certainly Austin Rivers had a ton of

905
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 4: respect for this guy. On the broadcast last night, he

906
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 4: could not stop talking Bones Highland up as if Bones

907
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 4: tailand has really established himself in the NBA. So of

908
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 4: course I had to go and figure out why is

909
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 4: Austin Rivers love Bones Highland so much? Oh, he played

910
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 4: as a Denver nugget when Bones Hihland was a rookie.

911
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 4: I can see him taking Bones Highland under him his

912
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 4: wing and say, here's how you I so buddy, here's

913
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:26,720
Speaker 4: how you chuck up some shots.

914
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:27,760
Speaker 1: That's funny.

915
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

916
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:29,919
Speaker 4: Who was the other guy on the broadcast with them?

917
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 4: I didn't know who that guy was.

918
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: It wasn't Tuning it. It was Robbie Hummel.

919
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 4: No, No, it wasn't. It was Noah Eagle. It was

920
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 4: Austin Rivers, and then the other guy who was on

921
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 4: the Sun's bench. They kept going to him, but I

922
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 4: didn't recognize him and I didn't know who his voice was,

923
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 4: and I just never heard them say what his name was.

924
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 4: Let me know who that guy was, and let me

925
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 4: know how it's possible. Grayson Allen did a step back

926
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,879
Speaker 4: step through jumper, took two steps to his left, pump

927
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 4: fake the three steps through, perfectly, shoots like a twenty

928
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,879
Speaker 4: foot floater, switched it in. This was beautiful. A guy

929
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 4: like Grayson Allen shouldn't be able to pull that off.

930
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 4: That's what doctor James is talking about. Players are too

931
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 4: good these days. Yeah, Grayson Allen pulling off James Harden moves.

932
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: So you're telling me you're supportive of that totally legal move.

933
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: Footwork was Colleen, It was. It was. I know people

934
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:24,439
Speaker 1: were hating it. It looked weird.

935
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 4: It takes three steps without going without dribbling, and he

936
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 4: goes all over the.

937
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 1: Place, but covered so much court legal Eagle. It was

938
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:37,280
Speaker 1: pretty impressive. So you're cool with Anthony Edwards being selected

939
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: for the All Star team because I know you were

940
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: contemplating maybe Julius Randall deserves a little bit more love

941
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 1: on this team. But Anthony is they.

942
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 4: Need an All Star and ant is the guy for sure.

943
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 4: He is he is. You know, I feel the same

944
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 4: way about him and Randall that they are both really

945
00:46:56,080 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 4: good players. They're instrumental Tomberwolf's chances and them getting wins.

946
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 4: But there are times when it feels like they're just

947
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,760
Speaker 4: piling up numbers and it doesn't necessarily have an effect

948
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 4: on the way the team is rolling.

949
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 1: Well, let's give a little love to the Spurs and

950
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: how they handled the end of that game, because they

951
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: beat the Pels and it should have been it shouldn't

952
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: have been as close as it was. But watching Dylan

953
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 1: Harper with that essentially the game winner taken as the

954
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: Deek bay into the paint. That guy had four buckets

955
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,399
Speaker 1: at the rim over the last six minutes of this game.

956
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: He was taking whoever it was. You get an incredible

957
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 1: guy like Herb Jones on him, he went by him.

958
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: He had a Jose Alvarad who did a really good

959
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: job sting in front that one time that was the

960
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: spin got stopped and spin the other direction. That was

961
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: freaking awesome. And they've got great vibes. I don't know

962
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 1: when Wenby comes back, but to see Harper out there

963
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: and Fox and Castle now who's back, They're just they're

964
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: cohesive and if you believe the postgame interviews on the

965
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: press conference table, Dylan Harper's said, quote, there's no ego

966
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: between us three. We all just want to see each

967
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: other succeed no matter what. End quote. That's a rook

968
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: talking about himself and Fox who's signed this monster contract

969
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: and Castle is he just a rook saying the right things?

970
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 4: And I buy in He's he's saying the right things,

971
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 4: and the way he plays it feels like he's about

972
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 4: the right things. Dylan Harper, I think the same is true.

973
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 4: First tofon Castle, it's like they're all taking big shots

974
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 4: when they need to. Fox hit a deep step back too,

975
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 4: that was big time in this game. Made the clutch

976
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 4: free throws as well. But like you're saying, it was

977
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,800
Speaker 4: Harper who was carrying the team through the majority of

978
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 4: the fourth quarter. Some of those finishes were tough man.

979
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 4: He's coming with his right hand, playing with his offhand,

980
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 4: playing through contact. I was super impressed. Yeah, Wemby's back

981
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 4: practicing now. I believe so he's on the way to

982
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 4: his return. The Spurs have done a great job without him.

983
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 4: In their last ten games, they're seven and three. They

984
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 4: got the sixth best offense in the league, but I

985
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 4: think they're also like bottom six. They're twenty fourth in

986
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 4: defense in those ten games. Wemby will change that. He's

987
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 4: a defense as soon as he comes back. If they're

988
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 4: able to play offense at the level they have since

989
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 4: he's gone down with the injury, the Spurs become a

990
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 4: real second tier contender. I think in the Western Conference

991
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 4: they've really clicked, very very impressive the way they do things.

992
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 4: I think it's because the pregame music that Keldon Johnson chooses.

993
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I had a thousand miles by Vanessa Carlton

994
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 4: going on. Everybody loving it except for Harrison Barnes, who

995
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 4: just got his hands on his head.

996
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: Camp.

997
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 4: Are we seriously listening to Vanessa Carlton right now? Oh

998
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 4: guess these young boys.

999
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: Love it that JD was Vanessa Carlton one of your

1000
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: your Spotify Yeah? Yeah, yeah. They literally it's incredible that

1001
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: they are one game back of the second seed. They

1002
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: are so freaking close. I mean, it's super tight between

1003
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 1: two and five, Lakers, Nuggets, Rocket Spurs, but without Wemby

1004
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 1: and as you said, could be coming back. I wouldn't

1005
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 1: be surprised if we see him take the court in

1006
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:02,479
Speaker 1: the NBA Cup game.

1007
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 4: Ooh, the willis reed of the Cup. He's back.

1008
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 1: Do they need him? Yeah, it would be nice. They're

1009
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:15,240
Speaker 1: playing super super super good teams now. But Tilon Harper

1010
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: was freaking I always expect them to see you watching him.

1011
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: You expect him to go left, but he can easily

1012
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 1: go right. He can score wherever. So that's fun to watch.

1013
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 4: Man gets downhill all the time. That was a fun game.

1014
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 4: Great stuff from Derek Waen. We'll talk about him and

1015
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 4: a little bit. Pacers have won for their last six

1016
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 4: and they got their guys healthy. They beat the Bulls twice,

1017
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 4: they beat the Wizards, they beat the Kings last night.

1018
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 4: Only three and a half games out of tenth place

1019
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 4: in the Eastern Conference.

1020
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I don't think they're dead yet.

1021
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 4: No, And you know, we'll see what happens with the

1022
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 4: Bucks going forward. I see Scham's just said that the

1023
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 4: writing is on the wall when it comes to trading, Yannis.

1024
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 4: The Bulls have been terrible for two weeks, there's a

1025
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 4: chance the Pacers make a run at the play in tournament,

1026
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 4: I would say, and a new guy alert, new guy

1027
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 4: alert for the Pacers. Ethan Thompson. I guess he's played

1028
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 4: four games. This is the first time I've seen him.

1029
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 4: Three offensive rebounds in the fourth quarter. Pacers scored four

1030
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 4: points on those plays. He's the first Ethan in NBA history. Huh,

1031
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 4: how about that. We've had an Eton Thomas. I know

1032
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 4: that's what you were thinking. You're like, what about Eton Thomas?

1033
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 4: But he was Eton, not Ethan.

1034
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,439
Speaker 1: I was totally shocked when you said that. I didn't

1035
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: think of Eton Thomas at all. I just would think

1036
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: that there'd be one from like the fifties or sixties

1037
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, it's a popular nick.

1038
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 4: There's a lot of Ethans. I've met a lot of Ethans.

1039
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 1: A lot of kids, so there will be plenty more

1040
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: NBA players named Ethan.

1041
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 4: Just the first, Just the first. Yeah, they're all looking

1042
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 4: up to Ethan Thompson. They're saying, remember when he got

1043
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 4: those three offensive rebounds in the fourth quarter, the Pacers

1044
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 4: scored four points. How exciting. I got a couple of

1045
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 4: minor slap drops recently. Let's talk about him in the

1046
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 4: up down Report. Oh yeah, we're slowly but surely walking

1047
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 4: in the slop season. The troughs are filling up. The

1048
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:19,359
Speaker 4: People's Insider Jake Fisher had some fresh intel over on

1049
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,720
Speaker 4: the Steinline Substack, writing that the Miami Heat are looking

1050
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 4: like a buyer at the trade deadline, and they have

1051
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 4: had internal discussions about trading with Memphis for John Morant.

1052
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 4: Task you up or down on the Heat trading for Jaw.

1053
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: I'm still down. I was down when the John Morant

1054
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: rumors started. I would find it difficult to take him on.

1055
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: If you're the Miami Heat, you'd probably be trading Tyler

1056
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:50,240
Speaker 1: Hero back. Those two guys are such in similar roles,

1057
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 1: But I'm buying the devil that I know in Tyler Hero.

1058
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: You know that he is going to number one more

1059
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: likely play than Jo Ra and he played seventy seven

1060
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 1: games last year. I think can he even grow even more?

1061
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: I think there's a possibility those two guys, in Morant

1062
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: and Hero, came into the league at the same time.

1063
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 1: They're in the same draft, and I think that's fair

1064
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 1: to question. Oh well, it's been fair to question. I

1065
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 1: should say that Tyler Hero may or may not be

1066
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: the guy on a good team. He can't play deep well,

1067
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: He's adapted. They were part of he was part of

1068
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 1: a great defense last year. He could still grow and

1069
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 1: get better. As we're sort of contemplating about John Morant,

1070
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 1: will he come back now? There's a possibility he does

1071
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:38,720
Speaker 1: come back to his form, there is, But I couldn't

1072
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: do it. I just I just couldn't do it if

1073
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 1: I was the Miami Heat, knowing that we are fairly

1074
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 1: successful in what we're doing right now, I think that's

1075
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 1: a risk that you'd rather take with the devil that

1076
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 1: you know again that Tyler Heroes breaking solid, He's a

1077
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 1: solid player, he's still young. I wouldn't risk it.

1078
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, I actually agree with you here. Heroes tract is

1079
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 4: a little bit cheaper, it's one year shorter, and he's

1080
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 4: a much better shooter, which I think is something that

1081
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 4: the Heat need. They're similar ages. I think there's like

1082
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 4: six months difference between the two of them. And it

1083
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 4: seems to me that hero at the very least is

1084
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 4: maintaining his status as a player, whereas jaw has been

1085
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 4: declining for the past couple of years, and the athleticism

1086
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 4: piece is a big part of it right, Like, I

1087
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 4: think Hero is going to be able to continue to

1088
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 4: shoot threes and shoot off the dribble and Jaw is

1089
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,479
Speaker 4: being forced to shoot off the dribble at this point

1090
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 4: in his career. And it's not exactly coming around. But

1091
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 4: if you're making the Devil's advocate case, last fifteen games

1092
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 4: for the Heat, they're thirteenth in offense, eleventh in defense,

1093
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 4: thirteenth in net rating. So just a fine good team. Yeah,

1094
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 4: they're only five and eight this season against teams that

1095
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 4: are five hundred or better. So to me, it seems

1096
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 4: like the Heat could use a boost. Like the Eastern

1097
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 4: Conference feels very wide open. Pistons have played great, Nicks

1098
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 4: are really rounding into form, but neither of those teams

1099
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:03,879
Speaker 4: feels unbeatable to me. So I guess you know side

1100
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 4: updown question for you here? Up or down? Should the

1101
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 4: Heat be buyers at the deadline?

1102
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: Well, I think they should be buyers. Yeah, it's all

1103
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 1: about the package and what they're getting back. I think

1104
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: right here, right now, like you said about their last

1105
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: thirteen games, Tyler has only played five games this season,

1106
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 1: so that kind of goes against the argument that, oh,

1107
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: he plays more than John Ramp but he does. Literally,

1108
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 1: we just haven't seen the best of him quite this season,

1109
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: although he's come in and played really well. But he

1110
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 1: has to adapt and play with them. But I think

1111
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: you look up and down the roster, they've got tradable

1112
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: contracts that they could assemble together. You know, going back

1113
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: to the Damian Lillard rumors when he was in Portland.

1114
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,760
Speaker 1: They've always been looking. They're always looking, So I think, yes,

1115
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: they need to get better. Eric Spolscher creating that offense

1116
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: that is drivekick, drivekick, everybody move, everybody run. That's optimizing

1117
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 1: what they are right here right now. But we know

1118
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 1: in the playoffs they ain't good enough to really go

1119
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 1: extremely deep. So yeah, I think they should. If they

1120
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 1: could get somebody.

1121
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,359
Speaker 4: It looks like they could make a move. They could

1122
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 4: be a top four team, I think in the East

1123
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 4: and right now, if you're a top four team, like

1124
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 4: you're taking your chances. I think if your top four

1125
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 4: of these like, maybe we can make something happen in

1126
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 4: the playoffs the bracket breaks correctly, that's the time. It's

1127
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 4: the time, feels like the year.

1128
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 1: Although you know, we just talked to doctor Jim Borcher's

1129
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: about players coming back and the more I hear about

1130
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,399
Speaker 1: Jason Tatum, the more I'm starting to buy that he's

1131
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 1: coming back and that's a team that could be freaking awesome.

1132
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 1: I know we talked about it yesterday. I know Bill

1133
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 1: Simmons has said I've never felt better about Jason Tatum

1134
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: coming back. I get it. But at the same time,

1135
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 1: you're right, this is a great year if you're in

1136
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 1: the Eastern Conference. To put it all together, Piston's knicks

1137
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: Celtics are the ones at the top, but the Magic

1138
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 1: are knocking and then yeah, you're hoping if you're like

1139
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 1: a Miami Heat team that somebody becomes available. No disrespect

1140
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: to the Cavs, but those are the teams. Yeah right now.

1141
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 4: A lot of teams they could be the team to

1142
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 4: lose to the Thunder in the final. A lot of

1143
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 4: teams out there over the athletic are main man Chill

1144
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 4: will Gillery wrote that the Pelicans have not yet engaged

1145
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 4: in any trade discussions for Zion Williamson, but they might

1146
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 4: trade either Herb Jones and or Trey Murphy if some

1147
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 4: team wows them with an offer. So tast are you

1148
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 4: up or down on the Pels trading Herb or.

1149
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 1: Trey I'm pretty down. I think they've got better options

1150
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 1: to trade. Jantay Murray is the guy who stands out

1151
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: to me speaking of injuries. He's got to come back.

1152
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 1: He can, and he will come back in January. But

1153
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: he's just older, and it's a better situation to deal

1154
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 1: him because at his age at twenty nine, he doesn't

1155
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 1: fit in with this new Derek Queen led team at all.

1156
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 1: And I would be reluctant to trade either Trey Murphy

1157
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 1: or Herb Jones because they've got such good deals. Trey

1158
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: Murphy's only twenty five, he's got a great contract through

1159
00:57:56,160 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: twenty nine. And Jones he's a little older, and so

1160
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: that's why I'm kind of down. If there's anyone to trade,

1161
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: it would be him, I think at twenty seven, but

1162
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: his deal is so good till twenty thirty. I wouldn't

1163
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 1: want to deal either of them. I understand that they

1164
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: probably want to get a pick back in the twenty

1165
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 1: sixth draft to help out Queen and Fierce. There's no doubt.

1166
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 1: There's no doubt, So I think Dumars and Troy Weavers

1167
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 1: should be looking. But those two guys are so they

1168
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 1: just fit contracts aren't crazy. Herb Jones is such a

1169
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: great locker room guy. He would be the one I'd

1170
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 1: think about at this point. But it all depends what's

1171
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 1: coming back for them. And as far as a twenty

1172
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 1: twenty six draft pick, it's got to be a good one.

1173
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 1: Can't just be herey first round pick. It doesn't mean

1174
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: that's going to be a good pick. It could mean

1175
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 1: it's protected to some degree.

1176
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that means it's probably unlikely that it's going

1177
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 4: to happen because a team that's going to have a

1178
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 4: good first round draft pick, it's probably not making a

1179
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 4: move for either Herb Jones or trade Murphy. They both

1180
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 4: feel kind of like finishing pieces right to me. But

1181
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 4: that's why the Pelicans are in a really tough spot

1182
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 4: because they don't have their twenty six pick. As everybody knows,

1183
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 4: they also have a pick swap with the Hawks next

1184
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 4: season twenty twenty seven thanks to the Dejonte Murray trade.

1185
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 4: If I'm not mistaken, New Orleans gets the worst pick

1186
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 4: between the Hawks and the Pelicans, but thankfully for them,

1187
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 4: this one is protected one through four, so they might

1188
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 4: just have to eat the twenty six pick. That thing

1189
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 4: is long gone they'll be drafting at the end of

1190
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 4: the first round, getting likely the Hawks pick this coming draft,

1191
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 4: and then hopefully in twenty seven they stay bottomed out

1192
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 4: and actually hit a top four pick and get to

1193
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 4: keep their own pick, because that would be bad to lose,

1194
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 4: like back to back top five picks when you're trying

1195
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 4: to build around Fears and Queen. The other thing is

1196
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 4: that Trey Murphy and Herb Jones, their skill sets are

1197
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 4: kind of perfect around Fears in Queen being long wings,

1198
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 4: Herb more defensively tilted, Tray more of an offensively tilted guy.

1199
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 4: You see them working with both Fears and Queen, and

1200
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 4: those are spots that the Pelicans need to address and

1201
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 4: can help the development of their two rookies this season.

1202
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 4: But it's got to be a while. It's with an offer,

1203
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 4: is the way will put it. And I think that

1204
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 4: that's exactly right. If somebody comes through with the player

1205
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 4: that they really like, or if somebody comes through with

1206
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 4: a really juicy pick, then maybe you can make the

1207
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 4: move because there is a bit of an age difference,

1208
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 4: you know, five to seven years, depending on whether it's

1209
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 4: Trey or Herb, between the two young guys that at

1210
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 4: least helps you get back on the right track from

1211
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 4: a rebuilding standpoint. I was also surprised to see that

1212
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 4: Will had Jordan Poole and Dejonte Murray as trade candidates.

1213
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 4: I think it offered anything. Ship those guys out. Literally

1214
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:46,919
Speaker 4: anything second round pick would be fun.

1215
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 1: There's got to be a team out there that's good.

1216
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 1: But isn't just given their own pick, that's given somebody

1217
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 1: else's team out there. Is somebody else's pick. I should

1218
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:00,120
Speaker 1: say that could be an extremely good one because, as

1219
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 1: you said, you're a good team and you want one

1220
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 1: of these finishing pieces as somebody like, you know, one

1221
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 1: of the herbs or the trays. But is it the Murray?

1222
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 1: I mean you'd have to go see him play number one. Yeah,

1223
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 1: And it's just too early in slop season to know

1224
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 1: which picks every team has. But I I'm already looking.

1225
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 1: There's got to be again, a good team that's got

1226
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 1: a really good pick out there. And I'm not talking

1227
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 1: to Okay, see what the Clippers pick, because I don't

1228
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:31,959
Speaker 1: think that that ain't going to happen. That's that would

1229
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 1: be ridiculous. But the Pelicans right here, right now, after

1230
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 1: giving away the twenty twenty six pick. It would just

1231
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 1: be weird to get rid of any young, good player

1232
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 1: on a good contract. But I could see the Jehntey

1233
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 1: Murray the Pool one. You don't think they'd want a

1234
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 1: redo for that deal. That's not optimal A mirror four

1235
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 1: months ago.

1236
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:59,480
Speaker 4: As well, right on his contract. I'm dumb man. I

1237
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 4: still think can be good in the right spot, but

1238
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:04,920
Speaker 4: he needs to be in the right spot. He actually

1239
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 4: seems to have matured a little bit from like a

1240
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 4: leadership standpoint. He seems well liked on the Pelicans, and

1241
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 4: you know, maybe that's because he's not doing anything ridiculous

1242
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 4: on the court, because he's mostly just making faces on

1243
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 4: the sideline. But I mean those guys, neither Murray nor

1244
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 4: Pool seem to be long term pieces for the Pelicans.

1245
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:29,440
Speaker 4: So if there's a you know, a fifth or sixth

1246
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 4: man that you like and somebody's willing to throw it in.

1247
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 1: Sure, Yeah. Yeah. The Pool thing a little reluctant to

1248
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 1: make the move.

1249
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 4: You don't want to jump in the pool.

1250
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 1: It seems like every year he's good last year, not

1251
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 1: every year last year. In this year, his coach likes

1252
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 1: him and says he's good. Brian Keve liked him exactly.

1253
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 1: He's good for the Wizards last year after he benched

1254
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 1: his ass and then he's like, oh yeah, he's good

1255
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:55,000
Speaker 1: off the bench exactly.

1256
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 4: The less pool you need, the better wear cool clothes.

1257
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 4: Every once in a while he'll wear a wizard robe

1258
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 4: and he'll talk about his cats. That's just what Jordan

1259
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 4: Poole does.

1260
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 1: He looks cool compared to Brian Keith, that's for sure.

1261
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 1: I agree. I can't believe I just did a coach dirty.

1262
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:17,920
Speaker 1: Why am I player to a first.

1263
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 4: Time coach in Brian Keith and somehow he looks like

1264
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 4: he's sixty years yea, that's a wild thing to be.

1265
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 1: And they threw in Kevon Looney will Guilery throw in

1266
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 1: Kevon Looney as a rumor, which, yeah, any team would

1267
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 1: want him? Is Kevon Looney. I thought he'd have a

1268
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 1: positive effect on Zion Williamson. I still think maybe if

1269
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 1: Kevin Looney was healthy to start to see and he

1270
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 1: literally wasn't playing I things would be different. But I

1271
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 1: bought into the Zion. I bought into what Zion was

1272
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 1: saying about two Mars Weaver his own personal coach that

1273
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 1: helped him out last year. And Kevon Looney. But I

1274
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 1: was wrong.

1275
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 4: You are like Charlie Brown with the football and Joe

1276
01:03:56,360 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 4: Dumars is Lucy holding it just Yankee in away from

1277
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 4: you time after time. First it was the All Star

1278
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 4: Game that Williams.

1279
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 1: Don't blame Joe Dumars for the All Star Game. Joe

1280
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 1: for Zion, sure, uh for the Pelicans. Don't blame him

1281
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 1: for the All Star Game. Blame Adam.

1282
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 4: That one's on Adam.

1283
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 1: Blame mister Beast, Blame Kevin Hart. They screwed up. I

1284
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:21,439
Speaker 1: was literally thinking about Joe Dumars and what he said

1285
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 1: last year before before the All Star Game. Yeah, we

1286
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 1: interviewed him and he's I asked him, is there going

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Speaker 1: to be gaps between these games where it's just too long?

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01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:34,960
Speaker 1: And he said they they gotta take care of He

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Speaker 1: didn't know, he didn't know. He just said that. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: he wasn't dealing with that. That wasn't his part of

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01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 1: his dominion. He just was coming on to say, I

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Speaker 1: believe in it, and I still believe in Joe for

1293
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 1: believing in the All Star Game. It ain't dead. But

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01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 1: he just didn't know about it. So anyway, I gotta,

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01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 1: we gotta grab that clip and I'm just gonna I'm

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01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 1: gonna make some sort of video hoping that we don't

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01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 1: get lied to again. They can't screw up again. They

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01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 1: can't say, hey, mister Beats, come on the court for

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01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:11,360
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes. Oh, Kevin Hart, come come talk for fifteen minutes.

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01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:13,480
Speaker 1: Hey TNT. You're done, but you're not done. But you're done,

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01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 1: so you know, give us a goodbye. That can't happen again.

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01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 4: I can't happen again, but it's gonna happen. Another guy,

1303
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:26,440
Speaker 4: Joe dumar is believed in whoa Boy? Whoa Big Any Boy?

1304
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 4: NBA Line of the Night, brought to you today by

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Speaker 4: Sammy J ninety three? What said Hi in the stream

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Speaker 4: team with a four ninety nine super chat? So you

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Speaker 4: get to sponsor who boy for today?

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Speaker 1: I can't believe that I didn't see a four ninety

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01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 1: nine or congrats.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, got a good deal compared to the last one.

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01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 4: That's true. You never know. That's the only way to

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Speaker 4: sponsor who boy hop in the super chats on the

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01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 4: stream team. Last night's whoa Boy goes to Derreck Queen

1314
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 4: Big Boy grilling on the roof thirty three points, ten rebounds,

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01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 4: ten assists four blocks for Derek Queen and the loss

1316
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 4: does not matter when eleven of fifteen from the field

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01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 4: eleven of thirteen at the pre throw line did have

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01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 4: four turnovers, but who cares ten assists, became the eighth

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01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:17,760
Speaker 4: player since blocks have been recorded with a thirty three

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Speaker 4: ten and ten plus four blocks, and only the fifth

1321
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 4: player ever with a thirty point triple double before turning

1322
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:28,040
Speaker 4: twenty one years old. You know the other guys. You

1323
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 4: can get three of them easily.

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Speaker 1: Luca yep, Lebron yep.

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Speaker 2: Three before twenty.

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Speaker 4: One pretty recent, pretty recent. Um, we haven't seen this

1327
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:45,360
Speaker 4: man play for a while, but uh, apparently he's practicing again.

1328
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:49,520
Speaker 4: Victor Victor wehmbin Yama the last guy. You probably won't

1329
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 4: get it dearon Fox. So pretty cool stuff from Derek Queen.

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01:06:55,720 --> 01:07:00,240
Speaker 4: They call him DQ on the broadcast, which reminds me

1331
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 4: of Dairy Queen of course, and his name is Derek Queen. Yep,

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01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:05,440
Speaker 4: So I think we should call him the ice Cream Man.

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01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 4: Ice Cream Man is coming. They could play it in

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01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 4: New Orleans.

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Speaker 1: It would sound awesome, Yes Queen, I saw that going

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01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 1: around yesterday. Yes, Dairy Queen, for sure. It's good he's good.

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01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, he looked awesome last night sating the table. He

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01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 4: had so many wild like reverse finishes, had one where

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01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:28,760
Speaker 4: he thought he got foul, just chucked it over his

1340
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 4: head and you know, he just made the same layup

1341
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:33,920
Speaker 4: like three possessions earlier, so that one went in as well.

1342
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 4: Made him in the fourth quarter, throws a back door pass,

1343
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 4: throws an alleyup. This guy does it all.

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01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 1: He's so good. Yeah, even if he Joe was cooking

1345
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 1: on that one, they did well.

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01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 4: They did well on that one.

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01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:47,920
Speaker 1: Should they have picked him with their first pick? All right,

1348
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 1: now I'm getting speculative. There's no need to do that

1349
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 1: to mister fears they cooked there. Sometimes he gives away

1350
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 1: on the other end, for sure, yes he does, but

1351
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:01,440
Speaker 1: who cares. Just build around him if you're a Pelicans fan,

1352
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:04,840
Speaker 1: at least you can watch some incredible stuff that he does.

1353
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:07,600
Speaker 1: As you just said, those are that's some good company

1354
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 1: for a young player who didn't start the year as

1355
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 1: a starter player. It's coming off the bench.

1356
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:15,880
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think it was Fast Break Breakfast that

1357
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:18,559
Speaker 4: had the eighth player with the block the thirty three, ten,

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01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 4: ten and four line, and it was like all Hall

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01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 4: of famers, And I don't know if Alvin Adams is

1360
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:25,519
Speaker 4: a Hall of Famer. I'll have to ask my dad

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01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 4: about that one. The only guy who talks about Alvin Adams.

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01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:29,840
Speaker 4: But I know Derek Queen is good. But wouldn't you

1363
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:33,040
Speaker 4: rather have Noah Seaney, A oh, two other guys who

1364
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:34,840
Speaker 4: did good? Me and you tass Oh?

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01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 1: Yeah?

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01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 4: Last night in the Pick Him, we had the Suns

1367
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 4: plus ten and a half points and they money lined them.

1368
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:43,800
Speaker 4: That's a win for us, a loss for skeets You

1369
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 4: don't skeets four and two. I am two and four.

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Speaker 4: What's tonight's game?

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Speaker 1: Well, it was definitely easy to pick the Raptors and

1372
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 1: the Knicks in the NBA Cup, but Skeetson wanted he

1373
01:08:57,080 --> 01:09:00,559
Speaker 1: was worried about a lot of having to pick the Raptors.

1374
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 1: The line is getting bigger there. The Knicks now favored

1375
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:05,479
Speaker 1: by four and a half because people are on the Knicks.

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01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:08,600
Speaker 1: So I went with the other one, this one the

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01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 1: Battle of Florida in Orlando, Miami visiting. It's basically a

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01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 1: pickham because the Magic are favored by one and a half.

1379
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:21,919
Speaker 1: JD with the NBA Cup here on the ground, looking Solomon,

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01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 1: I was Oh you just you're you got that Heat logo,

1381
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:28,759
Speaker 1: I say, looking good. It's got a little flair anyway,

1382
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:33,880
Speaker 1: these ones. Oh so it's all, oh yeah, it looks great.

1383
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:36,400
Speaker 1: I will say. I was driving here in Georgia yesterday.

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01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 1: I see a license plate from Florida that's got the

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Speaker 1: Miami Heat logo on it. It wasn't the regular standard logo.

1386
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:47,719
Speaker 1: It was the Miami Vice logo on the license plate.

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01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:48,120
Speaker 2: Cool.

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01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:50,559
Speaker 1: It was cool. It was cool scene anyway, I got

1389
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 1: the magic. You guys do have the Miami Vice Heat

1390
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 1: U N skeets.

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01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right. They probably Maybe they'll be vised up

1392
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 4: tonight since it's a Cup game. I just think some

1393
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:03,840
Speaker 4: things to figure out for Orlando with Franz going down

1394
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 4: pollow assuming a bigger rule.

1395
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:11,160
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, as soon as as mc bain gets mad,

1396
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:16,280
Speaker 1: the team performs afterwards. After the spike and og Ananobi

1397
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:17,439
Speaker 1: with that ball, who.

1398
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 4: Do you think he's most likely to fight on the

1399
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:19,800
Speaker 4: Miami Heat.

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01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:21,479
Speaker 1: Oh, the Miami Heat.

1401
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 4: I think a lot of good guys.

1402
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, super good guys. Who's the mean guy?

1403
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:28,840
Speaker 4: I mean, Davion Mitchell likes to start up?

1404
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh you mentioned him and he was laughing when

1405
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:37,800
Speaker 1: Myron Gardner a new guy alert, Yeah deep cut on

1406
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:40,920
Speaker 1: the Miami Heat bench was talking crap to Klay Thompson.

1407
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:42,680
Speaker 1: We showed him in the Worst of the Week this

1408
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:45,840
Speaker 1: past week. So if he fights, anybody would probably be

1409
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:49,040
Speaker 1: Myron Gardner. If he's there, I don't even know if

1410
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:49,559
Speaker 1: you'd be there, but.

1411
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 4: Watch your back, Myron. H you mentioned it. Four and

1412
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 4: a half point favorites the Knicks over the Raptors, right now, what.

1413
01:10:55,840 --> 01:11:01,599
Speaker 1: You got, I'm taking Toronto? Yeah, I'll I'll be watching

1414
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 1: it on playback tonight. Yeah, I got to. This is

1415
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:06,599
Speaker 1: the NBA Cup.

1416
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 4: It's the NBA Cup. Tesk will be chatting alive on

1417
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:14,040
Speaker 4: playback tonight. Visually, I'm gonna be seeing that game. And

1418
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:16,960
Speaker 4: he was gonna be going head to head with Skeets.

1419
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:18,439
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, Yeah, he'll be.

1420
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 2: He'll be.

1421
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 1: He'll be chying it up on substack. I gotta go

1422
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:25,599
Speaker 1: on playback because some sad news. Playback will be shut

1423
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:30,479
Speaker 1: down this Friday. Yeah, now will it be back? Yeah?

1424
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1425
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 1: They're going to be purchased, but they're in the process

1426
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 1: of being sold, so yeah, it's a sad day. You're

1427
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 1: gonna pour one out for playback, but also substack will

1428
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:47,679
Speaker 1: be happening today multiple channels. No Dunk's enjoying the NBA Cup.

1429
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 1: I had to back to back games as they've given

1430
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 1: each game some space. They basically start back to back

1431
01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:01,240
Speaker 1: when we started earlier. In my really early starts tonight

1432
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 1: six and then eight thirty easterns six and eight thirty. Yeah, wow,

1433
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 1: sound you don't sound happy about that.

1434
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 4: That's just unusual to start games at that hour of

1435
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:13,759
Speaker 4: the day. It surely is just very early six o'clock.

1436
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:14,679
Speaker 1: Things have changed.

1437
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:19,280
Speaker 4: Things have changed, including the schedule. The schedule has changed.

1438
01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:21,719
Speaker 1: Just the main thing that I noticed.

1439
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:24,760
Speaker 4: I saw the car ahead of me yesterday hu uh

1440
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:28,240
Speaker 4: driving home from here. Had the license plate one number

1441
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 4: ahead of me. How weird is that exact same first

1442
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:33,120
Speaker 4: six digits and then the last number was in eight

1443
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:33,880
Speaker 4: narses a nine.

1444
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:35,879
Speaker 1: So why do you think that happened?

1445
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:38,280
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't think you should be I

1446
01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:40,920
Speaker 4: don't think you should ever encounter the license plate that's right.

1447
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:46,479
Speaker 4: Next year. It felt dangerous to me. They're tracking us somehow.

1448
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:47,479
Speaker 4: What are they running here?

1449
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:52,400
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I immediately think, wow, we ordered ours a

1450
01:12:52,439 --> 01:12:55,200
Speaker 1: second apart, right at the exact same time. Is that

1451
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:57,400
Speaker 1: what happens? Is that how it works? Can't wait to

1452
01:12:57,439 --> 01:12:57,880
Speaker 1: find out?

1453
01:12:58,000 --> 01:12:59,280
Speaker 4: Did we get our cars the same day?

1454
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:03,760
Speaker 1: Can't wait to find We're going to have another doc

1455
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:07,840
Speaker 1: doctor license plates on to explain how it all works tomorrow.

1456
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:12,640
Speaker 4: That is cool doctor license plates. Tune in tomorrow. We

1457
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:15,040
Speaker 4: got doctor license plates coming on.

1458
01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:20,639
Speaker 1: Urban planning, everything that happens around cities. Very interesting stuff.

1459
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:24,639
Speaker 4: Clipper bros. You heard it here first. Have a great time,

1460
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 4: turn off, Love you guys.

1461
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:30,880
Speaker 1: Awesome, thanks for joining us. Join us tomorrow. It is

1462
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:32,400
Speaker 1: going to be a pack show. We are going to

1463
01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 1: learn about license plates on the back of cars, on

1464
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 1: the front of cars, because that whole thing.

1465
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:40,960
Speaker 4: Some states do it, some don't.

1466
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:45,240
Speaker 1: Canada you got front plates, you can they got front plates,

1467
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:47,599
Speaker 1: but now you can just renew.

1468
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:49,559
Speaker 4: They don't.

1469
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:51,880
Speaker 1: They don't. They don't care about the renew stickers on

1470
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 1: a license plate. They literally doesn't matter, you know, like.

1471
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:57,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, you gotta do your license plate renil every year.

1472
01:13:57,520 --> 01:13:59,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they don't care. You have to do it manually,

1473
01:13:59,479 --> 01:14:01,519
Speaker 1: but they don't care if the stickers on there do

1474
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:04,280
Speaker 1: not care. Does you see the little stickers on there

1475
01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:06,599
Speaker 1: that say, like five years ago you don't get pulled over.

1476
01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 4: You just want to save this for doctor license.

1477
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:12,799
Speaker 1: Yea, hopefully, he joins who she joins.

1478
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:16,759
Speaker 4: Come on, doc, Come on doc. Embrace the blades people,