WEBVTT - Hair Loss: The Pits 0:00:01.480 --> 0:00:04.280 Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of I 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:13.760 Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh 0:00:13.880 --> 0:00:20.919 Cubal Clark. There's Charles W. Mr Clean Bryant and Jerry 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:27.080 Shad O'Connor rolling rounds it out for Stuff you Should Know. 0:00:27.200 --> 0:00:32.280 The hair loss edition. Remember when Sinad O'Connor and wheneveron 0:00:32.320 --> 0:00:33.839 got mad because she ripped up a picture of the 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:37.800 boat to protest Catholic Church. Yeah, we talked about this 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:41.680 like a couple of weeks ago, did we Yeah? Did Yeah? 0:00:43.680 --> 0:00:46.519 You go, You're going up in octave each time. It's 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:49.720 pretty much I don't remember that. We talked about a 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:52.839 saturatite live sketch where Frank Sinatra had her on and 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:56.600 the dis and stuff. Of course the great Phil Hartman 0:00:56.880 --> 0:01:01.080 as chairman of the board. But Nato O'Connor wasn't losing 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:03.680 her hair. She made a conscious decision to basically stick 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:08.160 it to the establishment and say, hey, I'm shaving my head. Yeah, 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:10.680 and you know, my um, I know that we haven't 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:14.480 seen each other, but I'm I'm starting to get a 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:18.000 little thin on the crown after my hair being like 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:21.840 my only decent defining feature as a as a man 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:25.399 for many years. Sure, it's starting to thin out a 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:28.600 little on the crown that. I mean, it happens. Mine's 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:30.759 been doing that for a little while. It is distressing 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:32.520 at first, and then you just get used to it, 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:38.600 especially when it's plateaus for a while, like your mind's 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:40.960 in a plateau stage and I'm like, Okay, I can live. 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:46.240 Let's just let's hold here. Okay, holding here. Um. But yeah, 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:48.360 it is. It's a thing, for sure. It's not the 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:51.080 funniest thing in the world to realize your hair is thinning. Yeah. 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:53.920 I mean, I'm not doing anything about it, certainly because 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:56.320 I'm I don't know, I just I don't have that 0:01:56.400 --> 0:01:59.960 kind of vanity of other kinds of vanity. But it's uh, 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:02.240 and I don't see it. So I was talking to 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:04.160 Null about it a movie crush and he was like, 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:06.800 you just gotta back out of every room you walk into. 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:12.040 That is good advice. That's like hair club level of advice. Yeah. 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:14.359 But I mean, I'll just you know, I've have I've 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:16.680 shaved my hair about once a year anyway, so I'm 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:19.880 fine to live that life too. Yeah, And I mean, 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:23.000 it just it happens. It's one thing that like really 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:26.119 kind of came through and researching hair loss is like, 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:30.919 there's really nothing wrong with it. It's not medically debilitating. 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:34.880 In most cases, we should say, pattern baldness the the 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:38.080 far and away the most frequent reason people lose their hair, 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:41.440 both men and women. There's nothing wrong with you. There's 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:46.760 no disease, there's no there's no problem with your metabolic functioning, 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:51.360 nothing like that. It's strictly cultural, like cultural norms and 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:54.760 preferences of beauty. That's it. That's the only thing. You're 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:59.320 just kind of involuntary violating beauty norms of your culture. 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:01.520 And if the rest of the culture can just get 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:04.560 over it, which they generally do, um, you can get 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:07.080 over it too. And that's that. And I've just dug 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:09.120 my own grave because now I'm going to have to 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:11.040 take my own medicine and get over it. I'm sure 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:12.880 all my hair is going to fall out in the 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:16.760 next hour. No it's not. But you know, we're we're 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:18.760 going to cover the types of hair loss and also 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:22.760 some remedies, and we'll get into the couple of um 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:26.880 sort of prescription remedies that they have found over the years, 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:30.360 which really hit me today more than ever, sort of 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:33.920 how cruelly it's one of them at least is which 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:37.600 is like, Hey, if you're a young and single man 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:40.520 and you're starting to lose your hair and you're worried about, 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:43.839 you know, attracting ladies, we have something for you, and 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:46.120 and it might give you a rectile dysfunction and you 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:48.120 might not be interested in sex, but you'll have your 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:51.120 hair back. You're gonna have some hair, baby, Like, man, 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:54.200 what a what a weird cruel trade off? I know, 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:58.680 chemistry giveth in, chemistry take it away. So I guess 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:01.040 that was a spoiler, but I think most people know 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:03.480 that and know what we're talking about. Yeah, we'll get 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:05.400 into that in a little while. But first I think 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:07.400 we should talk about if we're talking about hair loss, 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:09.600 which we are talking about hair loss, we should talk 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:12.640 about how hair grows in the first place, because it 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:14.720 is just part of the natural order of things that 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:18.840 your hair falls out. There's like three stages of hair 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:22.000 growth that applies not just to human hair but also 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:25.400 to animal for two, because don't forget you are an 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:29.080 animal to human um and so we have the same 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:35.440 three stages of growth, um, shrinkage, and then resting. Uh. 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:38.080 That's basically the broad strokes of them, but it's a 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:40.560 little more interesting in the details. Yeah, I mean I 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:43.280 kind of linked um. I kind of thought of it 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:48.880 as little gremlins under your scalp, little knitting gremlins. And 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:51.120 when you're in that anagin phase A N A G 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:53.880 E N, that is when your hair is growing and 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:57.239 cells are forming a little protein root at the base 0:04:57.320 --> 0:05:01.080 of every little hair follicle that produces hair, and that's 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:04.120 that's when those gremlins are down there knitting the hair. 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:07.560 And they're continuously knitting, like you know, when hair is 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:10.920 growing growing out of a follicle. They're just they're hard 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:12.920 at work, and it just keeps going and keeps going, 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:15.400 and you're cutting it and they they keep sending it 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:19.560 through that shoot and everything's great. Yeah, And like that, 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:23.600 those gremlins basically form an organ. Each of your hair 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:26.920 follicles is basically an organ. There's a lot of stuff 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:29.160 going on down there's a lot of a lot of 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:33.600 growth factors and proteins working, and cells being converted from 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:39.120 stem cells into epithelial cells and um. The um follicle 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:41.520 is lined with muscles that are pushing the hair up 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:45.560 as new new hair cells are formed. It's pretty interesting stuff. 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:47.920 And this phase that you're talking about where the gremlins 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:50.600 are really working in overdrive is called the Anergin phase 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:54.279 and at lasts anywhere from two to six years for 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:57.520 your hair, and you get haircut so often we used 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:01.280 to before the pandemic that, um, you don't think like 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:04.400 a single hair that you're getting cut like every you know, 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:08.080 six or eight weeks. However often you go in, um 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:10.800 it's trying to grow out for like six straight years, 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:13.680 but you keep cutting it. It must be very frustrating 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:19.000 for the hair follicle must be. The next phase is 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:23.560 basically grimlins go on vacation. This is the I guess 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:28.080 the catagin phase, and at some point this little protein 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:30.320 cellsis matrix at the root of the hair follicle is 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:35.520 gonna run dry. The follicle stops growing new hair cells, 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:39.360 and those grimlins are taking some time off and that 0:06:39.440 --> 0:06:42.039 hair strand though it's not like that hair falls out immediately, 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:45.359 it still is getting kind of pushed through and you 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:47.760 think it's growing almost said it's growing. It's not. It's 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:50.400 not growing anymore, but it's just being kind of pushed 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:53.760 through to the very end. And finally it just pop 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:57.640 goes through and that's it for that hair and that follicle, right, 0:06:57.680 --> 0:07:00.200 and so that that happens, I didn't even given points time. 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:03.640 I think there's like, oh I saw the percentage. I 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:05.920 can't remember right now, but there's like somewhere I think 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:09.920 maybe six percent of your hair is in the cattagin 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:12.680 phase at any given point in time, and you lose 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:15.360 something like fifty to a hundred hairs a day off 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:18.080 of your head totally normal. Those are just hairs that 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:20.360 have reached that cattage and phase and finally got pushed 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:23.960 all the way out. And I guess between the hair 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:27.600 we lose and the dead skin cells that we slough 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:31.200 off of our our epidermist every day, if you could 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:33.400 manage to sweep it all together into a little pile, 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:37.480 it way about one point five grams every day, hair 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:40.840 and hair and dead skin you're losing. But imagine if 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:43.200 you could like you know, collect that and really get 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:46.640 a pretty good pile going after a few months. You know, well, 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:48.400 I think there are some people you might do stuff 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:51.640 like that. Sure, there are, there's there are definitely there's 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:55.200 somebody who does everything, and there's probably some there's somebody 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:57.280 who's turned on by the idea of that as well. 0:07:57.320 --> 0:07:59.600 Out there too, it cuts off to you guys, this 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:06.120 skin cell collectors and the dead skin cell um kink kinks. Yeah, 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:10.560 what about Yeah, for sure, we don't judge. What about 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:12.920 the last as long as you're not harming anybody, right, 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:15.840 that's right. What is the last phase? Because there's a 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:18.440 third phase two that this is really like the resting 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:21.400 phase where it's kind of regrouping, Like the gremlins are 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:25.720 laying around there, spent, they're exhausted, they're catching their breath basically, 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:28.040 that's the I mean, I think their vacation is kind 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:30.240 of winding down at this point during the intelligent phase, 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:34.240 and that, like you said, that's dormant. The follicle is 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:37.800 sort of resting. Those gremlins are resting. Uh, they're forming 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:40.680 and they're getting those needles sharp again to those knitting 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:43.320 needles sharp, which in the body means they're forming a 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:46.400 new protein matrix and they're getting ready to punch the 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:49.760 clock and go back to work. And that dormancy is 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:51.920 a few weeks. They get a few weeks maybe a 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:55.160 few months off before it kicks off in that anagin 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:59.360 phase all over again. Yeah, what's interesting, um, is you know, 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:02.800 hair loss has been viewed as basically cosmetic. Like you know, 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:06.120 almost all cultures. I couldn't find any that seemed to 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:08.800 like really have no opinions about it. It seems like 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:13.679 all cultures view hair loss as sucking, right, But in 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:17.040 the West it's viewed as a cosmetic problem. So there 0:09:17.080 --> 0:09:20.640 hasn't been like a ton of research into it, certainly 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:26.400 very little government funded research into it. Um. I am too, 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:29.320 But it was explained in something I read that it's 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:32.520 it's just cosmetic. It's like ts that happens, get over it. 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:36.920 But in the in um the East, in Asian countries 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:41.280 in particular, it's a much less frequent occurrence, but it's 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:44.240 picking up UM and they think because of a more hectic, 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:48.360 unhealthy lifestyle, more Asian men and like China career in 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:52.640 Japan are losing their hair, especially in a younger age, 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:55.800 and that is a big deal in those cultures, and 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:58.400 so there's a lot more government funding that's being put 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:00.440 into it in the last decade or so. But the 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:04.440 interesting thing that stuck out to me is that we 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:07.960 are learning about how hair grows by doing research on 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:11.440 how to prevent hair loss. And we know less about 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:15.040 how hair grows than I realized. So basically everything we 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:18.080 said is a pretty good understanding, but there's still a 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:22.560 lot of different components to the whole thing that science 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:25.520 doesn't fully understand that we probably will have a better 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:27.839 grasp on than in the next time to twenty years 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:31.880 from hair loss research. Yeah, I think it's Asian heritage 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:34.480 and African heritage, and uh, it seems like there was 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:39.079 one more Native American Native American, right, they think they 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:42.240 suffer hair loss less frequently. Yeah, from what I saw, 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:46.720 it's Caucasian. White um and African American tend to be 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:50.600 the two dominant groups for hair loss, but far and 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:55.000 away white men lose their hair more than any other group. Well, 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:58.280 that's why I was surprised that wasn't more research, even 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:01.000 though it's cosmetic, because it's just largely white man. I 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:03.240 was like, well, we need to get on this right now, gentlemen. 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:07.800 It's happening to white man. Do I have to repeat myself? Yeah, 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:10.960 that's a great point. Should we Uh let's take a 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:13.920 break here, and well is that good with you? Yeah? Yeah, 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:15.959 I think that's a great idea. Okay, I know that 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:17.880 it's funny we get emails where people want us to 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:21.360 come to blows over taking breaks. I know, do you 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:23.120 guys ever get mad? Not want to take a break? 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:27.880 Like not really? Huh? Do you? All? Right? Well, we 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:30.480 will take a break then, since Josh agreed, and only 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:32.439 because he agreed, and we'll come back and talk about 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:35.560 some of the less common causes of hair loss right 0:11:35.559 --> 0:12:04.719 after this shot. Okay, So um, Chuck, you've heard the 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:10.280 word alopecia before, right, yeah, for sure. Anytime I've heard alopecia, 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:14.000 it's a it's in reference to the condition that I 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:16.760 didn't realize, but it makes sense as an autoimmune disorder 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:21.000 where you have no hair whatsoever, no eyebrows, no head hair, 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:25.040 no hair on your legs anywhere. Um. But it turns 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:28.360 out that all hair loss scientifically speaking of any kind, 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:30.920 including you know, thinning of the hair that you and 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:35.439 I have, is considered alopecia. And alopecia actually comes from 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:39.000 the Greek for um, the Greek word fox, which makes 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:41.280 tons of sense. Right, yeah, I thought that was kind 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:44.720 of interesting. Um. Supposedly, in ancient Greece there were some 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:47.760 foxes that could get a type of mange that caused 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:52.000 him to lose hair and big patches, and so they 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:54.800 just that's where the word came from. Uh. I'm not 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:57.000 sure how it got transferred to humans, but you know, 0:12:57.040 --> 0:12:59.199 the ancient Greeks marched to the beat of their own drummer. 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:03.119 I think somebody was being droll and said, oh, that's 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:06.880 that's fox. Like really, that's what I'm getting from. And 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:09.560 I know it was it was Hippocrates that popularized it. 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:15.520 So that guy, Yeah, that guy, that guy, what are 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:18.760 you doing what we do in the shadows? Yeah, but 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:22.719 you gotta go that deafing guy. Uh, I know you're 0:13:22.720 --> 0:13:26.079 rewatching that right. Yes, it's so good. It's a good time, 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:29.520 isn't it. Yes, it is. Um. So there are few. 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:32.000 Like you said, it means any kind of hair loss, 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:35.760 so obviously there are a few different kinds. But alopecia ariata, 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:39.920 that is the autoimmune condition specifically that's gonna fool your 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:42.920 body into attacking its own healthy cells because it's an 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:46.800 autoimmune condition, and especially the hair follicles in this case. 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:50.559 And if you have alopecia ariata, you're gonna lose hair 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:53.840 and patches. Um. If you lose all the hair on 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:57.880 your scalp, that's alopecia total us. And then I think 0:13:57.880 --> 0:13:59.880 what you were talking about. There is the most of 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:03.079 air condition where you know, someone doesn't have any hair 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:05.360 on their body at all. I can't remember the actor's name. 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:09.120 Who Hank from Barry. I don't know who that is 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:15.040 from Barry Barry. Yeah, remember Hank the gangster? You know, 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:17.240 I didn't only watched a little bit of the first 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:19.800 season of Barry, which one was Hank. Hank was the 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:26.680 super lovable, like murderous psychopath who is like the I 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:29.960 can't remember if they're Ukrainian. I think they're Ukrainian right there. 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:32.400 It doesn't need like work for the Ukrainian mob. I 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:34.200 don't know, man, I didn't get far enough into Berry 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:37.240 and you met Hank. I promise, all right, Just I 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:38.880 don't know if that's the actor I'm talking about, but 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:44.760 there is a famous actor who suffers from alopecia, uh universalice. 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:46.600 And that's the one where you don't have any hair 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:50.760 on your body. Right um. But again, any like any 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:54.280 kind of hair loss medically speaking, is referred to as alopecia. 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:59.440 That is correct, and so um alopecia, like I was saying, 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:02.480 it's a it's a autoimmune disorder and they're working on it, 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:05.800 but it's basically they don't really have much of a 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:10.440 cure for right now. Um. And the same goes from 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:13.720 what I understand for another condition that has to do 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:18.720 with hair loss called telligent fluvium um. And fortunately for 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:22.240 people who have telligent fluvium that hair loss is kind 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:26.280 of temporary. But really interestingly, it can come as the 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:32.280 result of like a a profound emotional hardship. Yeah, it 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:35.960 could be a life trauma or something. If you're some 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:38.320 suffering from any kind of traumatic event, that could be 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:42.760 the case. And this is when basically the gremlins are 0:15:43.560 --> 0:15:46.760 is uh, they're on like Aerosmith, they're on permanent vacation 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:50.880 and it is stuck in the dormant phase for basically 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:53.640 longer I guess semi permanent vacation because like you said, 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:56.720 it is temporary, but it's stuck in that phase for 0:15:56.800 --> 0:16:00.960 longer than usual. And you know, it could be anything. 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:03.920 You could have a big surgery that was stressful, or 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:07.400 given birth or any sort of I mean, there could 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:10.000 be just a traumatic emotional event in your life that 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:12.480 caused that kicks us off. Yeah, and when your hair 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:16.480 is in a normal UM cycle of growth like the 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:20.239 Like I said, there's constantly hair that's in the the 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:23.320 the cattagen phase, that resting phase of the intelligent phase, 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:26.240 of the super resting phase of the re regrouping phase 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:28.960 I guess UM. And then more most of them are 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:33.080 in the engine phase. UM. With telligent effluvium, you've got 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:35.520 the same cycle going on. It's just they stay in 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:39.640 that cattagen phase longer, so there's less hair coming out 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:41.840 at any given point in time or growing out at 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:44.480 any given point in time, So it seems thinner, but 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:47.840 again it's just temporary. Once you your body kind of 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:53.400 goes back to its previous normal or baseline emotional state, 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:56.560 it can it can be fine. UM. This can also 0:16:56.640 --> 0:17:01.640 come about from a thyroid deficiency or iron deficiency, and 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:05.800 both of those things are involved UM. Thyroid growth hormone 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:08.960 and iron are involved in cell division. Remember you talked 0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:11.800 about the gremlins working over time. Well, one of the 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:17.320 things they're doing is UM growing cells, dividing cells very 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:20.440 quickly to turn them into hair that's growing. And so 0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:24.920 if those two things aren't feeding this hair growth, UM, 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:28.959 that can cause this telligent effluvium too. That's right. Uh. 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:32.400 And then of course there's chemotherapy. Anyone who's ever had 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:37.240 a family member or themselves been through the really powerful 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:40.520 medications you have to endure with chemotherapy that can also 0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:44.560 lead to temporary hair loss UM and you know it's 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:48.639 it's targeting cancer cells, but it's also targeting hair cells 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:51.600 because what they're trying to do is stop the fast 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:54.640 growing cells, and the hair cells are among those. So 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:58.000 it is one of the unfortunate side effects of chemotherapy, 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:01.400 but again temporary. And you know, our our heart goes 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:03.560 out to anyone that's had to go through chemotherapy. It's 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:06.159 really rough and most of us have probably seen it 0:18:06.640 --> 0:18:09.800 through someone that they know pretty closely. And hair loss 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:13.280 can be a big, big, big part of it. UM. 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:17.359 And then there's u androw genetic alopecia, And this is 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:20.639 the one that is far and away the type of 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:25.520 hair loss that that most people suffer, both men and women. 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:28.399 It's called male pattern baldness is another word for it, 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:33.000 but there's also pattern baldness for women as well. Um. 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:35.480 It's just that again, if you're a white man, the 0:18:35.560 --> 0:18:39.720 chances are that you have some form of or some 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:44.320 degree i should say of Androw genetic alopecia. Yeah, I 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:49.199 think it's about of anyone who suffers from pattern pattern 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:53.080 baldness are women. But it's not talked about as much, 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:55.880 um I think, And it's it's not like it's only 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:59.040 ten percent. I meant is substantial, but it's usually not 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:02.440 as severe. So and it happens in a different way 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:05.240 which we'll get to. But um, so it's it may 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:08.080 not be as noticeable to others. And I think and 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:11.320 that just with you know, probably male biases. The reason 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:14.119 why you don't hear pattern baldm has talked about for 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:16.840 women as much I would. I think you're exactly right 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:19.840 for sure. Plus also, I mean the basis of it 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:22.840 too seems to have to do with male sex hormones, 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:26.720 So it seems like, you know, like it it it's 0:19:26.720 --> 0:19:30.840 more directed towards males in general as well. Well yeah, 0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:34.240 so what's what's the deal with that? So androw genetic 0:19:34.600 --> 0:19:38.720 um refers to the Greek root word ander for man um, 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:41.120 and what it's really talking about our androgen's, which are 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:45.440 um sex hormones, and in particular, one of the culprits 0:19:45.520 --> 0:19:50.720 is a form of testosterone called dihydro testosterone, which is 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:56.119 like testosterone on testosterone basically, UM, when testosterone comes in 0:19:56.200 --> 0:20:01.320 contact with something called five alpha reductase, which is uh 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:04.720 some sort of enzyme that you can find a muscle tissue, 0:20:05.240 --> 0:20:09.480 it gets converted into this die hydro testosterone d H TEA. 0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:11.159 I feel like we talked about this. Was it in 0:20:11.200 --> 0:20:15.360 the male puberty? Maybe probably I would guess either that 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:20.240 or ballpoint pens one of this too. You know, it's 0:20:20.240 --> 0:20:22.000 funny as you're saying that, I was trying to think 0:20:22.040 --> 0:20:24.000 of a funny one, and then there you had it 0:20:24.080 --> 0:20:27.440 under control. Nice. Thanks, one of us always has it 0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:32.080 under control. And if then we're in big trouble, Yeah, 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:34.840 that's when it's time to go away. So this d 0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:37.280 HT stuff, this is this is the this is the 0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:42.000 weird thing. Like, there is a general understanding that die 0:20:42.040 --> 0:20:45.960 hydro testosterone has to do with pattern baldness, whether in 0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:53.440 males or females, but it um, it's not exactly understood 0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:57.760 how it produces pattern baldness. We just know and have 0:20:57.880 --> 0:21:01.520 known since I believe the late nineteen forty. These um 0:21:01.560 --> 0:21:04.280 that if you have pattern baldness, you have a higher 0:21:04.320 --> 0:21:07.520 concentration of d HT and your scalp than people who 0:21:07.600 --> 0:21:10.560 don't have pattern baldness. So that seems like a pretty 0:21:10.560 --> 0:21:13.440 big clue. Yeah. And the reason it happens to both 0:21:13.440 --> 0:21:18.400 men and women is because both men and women produce testosterone. Um. 0:21:18.440 --> 0:21:21.520 I think most people know this, but if you didn't 0:21:21.520 --> 0:21:23.959 pay attention in biology class, you may not know that 0:21:24.320 --> 0:21:28.560 women produce testosterone in their ovaries. Uh, and just not 0:21:28.600 --> 0:21:30.720 as much as men obviously, so they have lower levels 0:21:30.760 --> 0:21:34.640 of testosterone, lower levels of d HT as a result. 0:21:35.119 --> 0:21:38.119 And so that's why a there in um, they're in 0:21:38.160 --> 0:21:41.280 the minority as far as suffering from pattern baldness and 0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:46.400 why it happens to a lesser degree when it does happen, right, Um, 0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:50.359 But it's a really weird paradox that die hydro testosterone 0:21:50.400 --> 0:21:55.840 would um produce pattern baldness because we actually need it 0:21:55.880 --> 0:22:00.439 to produce pubic hair and armpit hair. Um, So you 0:22:00.440 --> 0:22:02.399 wouldn't have either of those. If you have a d 0:22:02.600 --> 0:22:05.760 HT deficiency or a testosterone deficiency, you have less pubic 0:22:05.800 --> 0:22:09.119 hair armpit hair, and you don't develop those types of 0:22:09.160 --> 0:22:11.760 hair until you start to develop testosterone and then in 0:22:11.840 --> 0:22:15.480 turn d HT after you reach puberty. Head hair has 0:22:15.520 --> 0:22:18.880 nothing to do with d h T, And yet at 0:22:18.920 --> 0:22:21.919 some point later in life, d HT for some reason 0:22:21.960 --> 0:22:25.080 starts to accumulate in the in the scalps of a 0:22:25.080 --> 0:22:28.440 lot of people, and it actually causes hair loss rather 0:22:28.480 --> 0:22:31.280 than hair growth, which at the very least you'd think, 0:22:32.440 --> 0:22:34.679 you know, what if what if it converted our hair 0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:37.199 into pubic hair later in life, that would be hilarious, 0:22:38.640 --> 0:22:42.200 especially in the areas in the same pattern that you bawl. 0:22:42.359 --> 0:22:46.000 But if that just got replaced with pubic hair, hey, 0:22:45.880 --> 0:22:48.240 that would be pretty sweet. It'd be the nineteen seventies 0:22:48.280 --> 0:22:50.120 all over again. It would be It would be awesome. 0:22:50.280 --> 0:22:52.879 You wouldn't have to be Mike Brady getting that that 0:22:53.720 --> 0:22:56.919 tight curl going. I love that, man. I remember that smell. Man. 0:22:56.960 --> 0:22:59.000 I don't know if I don't know if your mom 0:22:59.040 --> 0:23:01.440 ever did that, but my mom um would get the perm, 0:23:01.680 --> 0:23:04.520 the at home perm every now and then for a 0:23:04.560 --> 0:23:07.520 few years in the seventies, and that smell for some reason, 0:23:07.520 --> 0:23:09.320 you know how you just tired to tie these things 0:23:09.359 --> 0:23:12.160 together in your brain. She was doing it one night 0:23:12.240 --> 0:23:15.480 while the Circus of the Stars was on. So to 0:23:15.560 --> 0:23:17.399 this day I can't think of the Circus of the 0:23:17.400 --> 0:23:21.520 Stars without thinking of that smell of Yeah, I guess 0:23:21.560 --> 0:23:26.920