WEBVTT - Heal Thyself 0:00:10.400 --> 0:00:13.160 Hey, it's Evan Ratler from shell Game here with a warning. 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:17.560 Despite Mongsh's grandmother's greatest wish, he is one hundred percent 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:20.560 not a doctor and nothing in this episode should count 0:00:20.560 --> 0:00:25.360 as medical advice. Also, mong Gosh, this is my AI clone. 0:00:25.840 --> 0:00:27.840 Did you really think I'd send the real me to 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:57.840 do this job? Okay, enjoy this fall. 0:00:57.920 --> 0:00:59.400 When I knew I wanted to make a show with 0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:02.720 my wife and friends about how to live forever, I thought, 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:07.400 let me take advantage. Let's go to a blue zone 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:10.000 in Greece, or use this as an excuse to go 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:13.399 travel to South Korea where those eighty year old grandmothers 0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:17.840 free dive into freezing water for sea Ursians. And then 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:24.080 I heard about Prospera, this quote unregulated paradise located on 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:28.520 the island of Roatan in Honduras. The charter city has 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:31.080 become a haven for startup founders and crypto bros. And 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:34.880 I thought, that's it, That's where we've got to go. 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:39.120 So why is it that I'm sitting in the commons 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:42.800 room of a biopunk house in San Francisco instead of 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:48.440 loafing on a beach spearfishing with Longevonots. I'm asking myself 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:52.080 the same question, but I'm pretty sure Lee has some answers. 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:55.120 When I landed there, it's a bizare world. 0:01:56.040 --> 0:01:58.440 A few minutes ago, Lee was sitting on an easy chair, 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:01.600 legs sprawled over one of the arms, working on a laptop. 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:05.680 But on hearing me say the word Prospera, I saw 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:09.160 his face light up and I knew he wanted to talk. 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:13.840 My name's Lee Parnell from the UK over in San 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:17.000 Francisco at the moment, but for the previous year I 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:21.320 was helping out a lot in biotech, including in Prospera. 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:26.200 The thing is, do I want to interrupt Lee's story 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:31.280 about Prospera with a makeshift Broadway number? No, obviously not, 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:34.800 but that's what goes through my head every time someone 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:39.000 in this house mentions prosper like people tap dancing across 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:43.680 the stage, muttering pro Prospera, Prospera. Did someone say Prospera. 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:50.240 Have you considered escaping bureaucracy via catamaran? Well you're in 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:56.400 luck because Prospera is now accepting fissionaries. Surfers had billionaires 0:02:56.520 --> 0:02:57.320 named Steve. 0:02:57.800 --> 0:02:59.040 Oh my god, it's starting. 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:05.560 I was drowning in compliance bang bying head against a 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:06.760 wall when an. 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:11.799 Angel whispered, bro let's abolish it all. Wanna code beside volcanoes. 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:14.880 Keep your startup dreams alive. You can launch a hedge 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:17.120 fun Tuesday and be drunk on shrimp by. 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:23.080 Five VC money a pounds here the tax rate might 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:27.919 be five percent, so just sell a little bit corn 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:32.440 and tell your landlord to get back. 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:42.080 Big takes in every shack ros constitution, watch. 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:44.040 Your back, Rose. 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:51.360 Dice, zero drama, pros range your networth, use more commas. 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:55.520 Prospero made result in accelerated disruption, chronic networking, and an 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:58.600 uncontrollable urge to slip the word deregulation into conversation. 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:07.880 So factually he's in his thirties, his head shaven, he 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:12.160 rocks a beard, and he's about my height, but athletic like, 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:16.480 built for adventure sports, a rock climbing, free diving, skydiving, 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:20.120 all of which he does. He tells me. Prosperous sort 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:22.680 of happened by accident to him. He was burned out 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:26.719 after successfully exiting his startup, and then a friend dangled 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:27.240 an offer. 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:30.039 One of my really close friends was like, you need 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:31.240 to come to Honduras. 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:33.359 She's like, look, it's a three. 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:36.760 Month holiday that will pay for you, and if you 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:37.919 enjoy it, you can stay. 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:41.480 Lee was brought out to teach young founders how to fundraise. 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:44.359 He looked at it as an adventure, but as he 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:51.480 tells it, it ended up being in education in libertarianism. 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:54.480 I really liked that all ideas were on the table, 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:58.800 that it was an open discussion, and there was some 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:01.760 there's some with out of the field, out of the 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:06.279 box stuff, but at least he gets the conversation going. 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:08.800 As my firm belief that you're allowed to do whatever 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:10.880 you want your body as long as you don't harm others, 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:17.440 and that's where like a deregulation approach I think is good. 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:23.040 But I was curious between hearing about the instagram sunsets 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:27.240 and this bustling community of startup founders, I asked him 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:31.400 why isn't he still there? Partially, it seems like the 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:32.480 charm wore off. 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:35.000 For like a few months before I was like, oh 0:05:35.080 --> 0:05:37.720 my god, this is okay, there's a lot here. After 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:39.920 that three months I decided I didn't want to stay 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:41.400 on an island for that long. 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:45.839 But also what he was looking for in Prospero, he 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:47.240 actually found elsewhere. 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:51.520 When I came to America last year, I was like, Okay, 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:52.960 this is a new perspective of. 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:53.599 The world. 0:05:56.640 --> 0:05:59.839 To people like Lee. San Francisco is actually where the 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:03.599 for starters. You don't have to help start a government 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:09.520 from scratch. But also there's an unusual alchemy in America. 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:12.640 Especially in San Francisco, because you've got AI and Longevity, 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:20.000 two very significant monumental shifts, and money, lots of money. 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:23.480 People always talk about San Francisco just being money, and 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:25.960 I'm like, no, no, it's not about money, because there's 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:32.080 money everywhere. It's kids with money. Like a lot of 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:35.000 people have the imaginations and they want to explore and 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:38.640 do amazing things like a child. This is how I 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:43.280 think most really good companies appear is an overactive imagination, 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:45.760 and people aren't telling them no, They're telling them to 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:47.359 go for it. 0:06:48.800 --> 0:06:52.200 Go for it. As I bop around from biopunk houses 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:55.120 to longevity labs, I keep hearing this notion over and 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:59.320 over that no one is going to save you, doctors, 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:03.120 government institutions. This is a world that believes these are 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:07.360 outdated ideas, no longer deserving of our trust. And if 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:10.240 you're going to beat the aunts you have to go 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:17.800 for it from Kaleidoscope and iHeart podcasts. I'm Mongish articular. 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:58.320 This is Skyline Drive How to Live Forever, Chapter one, 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:00.640 My Friendly Neighborhood's spider Man. 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:06.480 As a personality, I'm more of an experimental being than 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:11.480 the average citizen, So I like to try new things 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:13.760 to see if I can upgrade my life in some way. 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:14.880 It's sort of a fun thing. 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:18.400 That is my friend Shathan. We grew up together in Delaware, 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:21.120 and back when we were in elementary school, he would 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:24.360 do the most audacious thing I'd ever seen any kid do. 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:27.120 He would invite you out to lunch and he had 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:30.960 no money, but you would go into roy Rogers on 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:33.320 Main Street in New York, go up to the front 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:35.439 and ask for plates and tap water, and then he 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:39.480 would disrupt the Fixen's bar. He drew it like in 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:42.960 all you could eat Salad bar, and then he would 0:08:43.040 --> 0:08:45.959 proudly serve it to you like we weren't going to 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:50.760 get kicked out of the place. But Jathan's also one 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:52.360 of the most brilliant people I know. He has a 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:57.280 PhD in artificial intelligence from Berkeley, and he always has 0:08:57.280 --> 0:08:59.480 something He's excited to tell you about whether it's like 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:03.800 a better ice cream machine, a new style of kombucha, 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:09.319 a new way to email that uses less fingerstrokes. So 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:12.480 it's no surprise that he's also my first friend to 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:14.080 tell me about injectibles. 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:17.280 I'm actually a superhero now my cage, I know for 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:19.760 you to come back and see how I can scale 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:23.320 walls and a xpray vision. Now there's a new peptide, 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:25.320 but don't share us with your listeners. 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:31.240 It's like a super secret. Peptides I'm realizing are one 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:36.360 of those terms like blockchain or subprime mortgages, where everyone 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:40.040 talks about them and most of us are just nodding along, 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:43.520 pretending like we understand. So as a treat, here is 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:46.440 Ali Oops, a six foot seven only fans star to 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:47.840 explain peptides to you. 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:55.080 Peptides are short chains of amino acids that signal cells 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:58.800 to do something like prepare skin tissue, turn a hormone 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:01.960 up or down, or trigger I mune activity, insulin and 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:02.800 golp ones. 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:03.880 They're peptides. 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:07.480 Our bodies make them naturally, but it turns out we 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:12.119 can make them synthetically too. People inject peptides with needles 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:15.160 so they can enter the bloodstream without being broken down 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:19.760 by the digestive system. Popular uses are for muscle gain, 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:25.320 fat loss, skin collagen, injury recovery, and many more. Common 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:28.760 side effects and injectables include redness and swelling up the 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:33.000 injection point, headaches, dizziness, and mild gastro issues. 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:43.800 Anyway, back to Chathan today. Chatham lives in marin a 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:46.920 beautiful fairy ride away from San Francisco, in this cliff 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:50.640 side bungalow that looks over a sea of redwoods. Do 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:53.439 you find that? Like in California, it's a pretty common 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:56.400 question to ask what your peptide stack is or things 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:59.720 like that, like is that a common entry at parties? 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:01.400 You know, I mean the commin entry of parties at 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:03.520 California is does what's your spirit animal? 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:05.400 And I'm shocked that you. 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:08.120 Don't know that. Among days after coming out here this 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:09.440 many times. 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:13.559 Curve it the frog this fine. Apparently, like many of 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:15.920 his friends, Jathan has started taking red a true tide, 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:20.120 a synthetic peptide that's in phase three testing, meaning it's 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:23.560 in clinical trials, but you can't get it prescribed yet, 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:26.360 so early adopters are sourcing it from the gray market. 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:30.960 REDDA is basically a third generation of GLP one, targeting 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:34.400 three hormone pathways instead of just one to affect greater 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:37.520 weight loss. But I mean, in your experience, are there 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:40.640 any downsides? Like how is going to the bathroom? 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:43.040 How is going to the bathroom like taking a pooh? 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:46.880 Yeah, it's fine, no issues. 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:51.360 There is something about it, like I definitely like what 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:54.040 the fuck am I doing? You know, like injecting myself 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:58.080 with these things. There's a psychological sort of hump with it. 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:09.960 Chathan's been searching for something his whole adult life. He's 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:13.760 moved fluidly from corporate jobs and startups to dropping out 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:16.640 to live in ashrooms or go work with a shaman. 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:20.280 And when he stopped finding comfort in western medicine, he 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:21.760 went looking for new answers. 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:25.079 Started working with a functional medicine doctor ex Tremere's a 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:27.280 lotles psychedelics in a healing capacity. 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:29.800 Mouth taping. Put a piece of tape over your mouth. 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:32.560 You literally can't open your mouth and you're forced to breathe. 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:32.839 Through your nose. 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:35.520 It was like mind blowing, how much better I felt? 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:43.560 For years, as Chathan kept looking for ways to heal himself, 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:48.560 I worried about him a lot, but Chathan's also been 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:49.280 worrying about me. 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:52.480 I think we're at this age where this is like 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:55.600 actually a pretty important flection point when we kind of 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:57.240 transition into a new kind. 0:12:57.120 --> 0:12:58.480 Of chapter in life. 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:00.880 A lot of the types of things that we're talking 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:04.280 about do add up, and they can be really intense, 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:08.240 and so I would be a huge fan of you 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:11.760 taking charge of that does not be peptides. 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:17.040 But so I'll just leave it there. I can't say 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:20.439 that I try everything Jathan does. Safety third is a 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:23.080 value he picked up from burning men. But I do 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:25.959 admire how he lives his life. He's always collecting and 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:31.000 savoring new experiences, dipping into some new subculture, befriending the 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:35.040 chefs who serve brunch at some hidden Thai temple, or 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:38.480 bringing me to a hippie cheers where they serve cacau 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:44.600 elixers and dance wildly and also close shop at ten pm. 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:45.480 I feel like a. 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:47.280 Silicon val, like a lot of people are really into 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:50.480 like all this crazy longevity stuff, and I think there's 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:54.120 a certain correlation between people who have a more like 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:57.360 tech oriented mindset and to take that same lens to 0:13:57.520 --> 0:14:00.640 their well being. So I think that I share that 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:04.400 this optimizing sort of mentality to my own biology. 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:08.720 Of course, as much as Tathan has evolved and optimized 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:12.040 and is open about getting REDDA on the gray market, 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:16.000 he's still a first gen kid at heart. I mean, like, 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:17.080 have you told your parents? 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:18.840 No? Yeah? 0:14:18.920 --> 0:14:19.640 Do you think you will? 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:45.160 I'm might. 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:55.840 Chapter two, startup founder healed myself on Google Maps. Frontier 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:59.640 Tower is marked by a little astronaut icon. But as 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:02.720 we had I get distracted by how bleak The scene 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:08.120 is empty bottles and syringes, people in tattered clothes passed out, 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:11.760 and I can see why. Mandana, my producer, told me 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:14.400 this is an area she doesn't feel safe walking through 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:21.800 at night. But then we're at the tower where stepping 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:27.160 through the entrance with you to another world. Inside it's 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:31.000 like a startup embassy from the future. People are dressed artfully. 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:35.640 Everyone's young and beaming and full of energy. Elliott, the 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:38.560 founder of the biopunk community, greets us in the foyer. 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:44.280 We have fifteen stories upon here, fifteen stories of good. 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:46.160 And then I. 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:50.120 Ended up implanting the card hand. 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:54.760 Oh you did, but instead of using a magnetic key 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:57.600 card to work the elevator, he waves his hand against 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:01.320 the reader, using an implanted computter chip to let us in. 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:06.040 The tiny chip about the size of a grain of 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:09.120 rice is the same tech used to power tap to 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:11.960 pay cards and phones, and it's actually one of a 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:14.520 few subdermal implants that Elliott has. 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:16.440 This figure. 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:20.640 So distortion to my guitar. 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:25.760 I'm grinning because this is exactly what I've been longing 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:31.640 for young scientists and biopunks, people experimenting on themselves with implants, 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:35.040 pushing boundaries, modeling a future for the rest of us. 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:38.720 Elliott has to run to a meeting, so he introduces 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:43.720 me to Lawrence. Welcome, Thank you. Lawrence Ion is a 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:48.560 founder of Viva City, where death is optional. It's a 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:52.840 city which for now exists only here on the Frontier 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:58.640 Tower's eleventh floor. Lawrence is short, crim wears glasses. He 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:02.320 also has this gentle Romanian accent, and he reminds me 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:04.719 a little of Dexter from Dexter's laboratory. 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:08.320 I spent most of my time. I don't really have 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:11.880 a reason to be anywhere else in San Francisco because 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:13.720 everyone just comes by here. 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:14.639 Yeah. 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:17.720 As he tells us the towers history, Lawrence tours us 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:19.320 through the building floor by floor. 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:23.160 We're building a new society with this vertical village. Three 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:26.639 years ago we started a new movement, of a new 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:30.439 kind of gathering to explore what would feel like to 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:34.919 live with like many people in a new city, an 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:35.760 intentional city. 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:38.800 And so the building is split up into themed floors, 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:42.400 each treated like its own neighborhood with its own flavor. 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:44.919 Each one is a community of itself, so it's a 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:48.520 community of communities. We have a floor for ai, floor 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:52.800 for crypto, floor for longevity and so on. Have robotics. 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:54.720 We have a gym and a sauna and a little 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:56.720 dragon as well, a live dragon. 0:17:57.080 --> 0:17:58.840 I was curious what he meant by a dragon, but 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:03.080 another tower introduced me. Turns out it was a beardy, 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:05.480 like the class pet at Ruby's pre k. 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:10.640 What's the dragon's name Splash Splash, Yes, super cute. 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:13.199 He doesn't like baths, so he tries to jump out 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:18.480 of them, so that's why his name is Splash. 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:21.359 There's also a Moroccan style tea lounge and a floor 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:24.919 for music and arts, because, as he tells me, every 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:29.400 civilization needs culture. There's a basement that's used for robot battles, 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:33.679 but also peptide raves. Instead of Kickball sign up sheets 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:35.720 on the wall. There are flyers to mess around with 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:39.280 gene therapy. As Lawrence tells it, to co work at 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:41.600 the space. You apply to a floor if your choosing. 0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:44.879 If you're into bitcoin, the crypto floor is for you. 0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:48.040 If robotics is your jam, there's a community on that 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:51.120 floor waiting for you. Elliot runs a wet lab on 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:55.320 one floor where you can actually run experiments and play 0:18:55.359 --> 0:19:03.760 with crisper and gene editing. My favorite floor is the 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:06.200 Maker's lab, where Lawrence has one of the leads point 0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:06.960 out a few things. 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:09.120 This is Tony, one of. 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:13.040 The So my name is Tony, and I really like 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:16.800 building things, honestly. Basically I started with a three D printer, 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:20.080 and then one thing led to another, and then we 0:19:20.200 --> 0:19:22.840 just had a crap ton of machines. I like to 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:25.560 tell folks we have the capability of going from rocks 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:28.760 to machines that think, which is just a really fun 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:30.720 thing to be able to say and actually mean. 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:34.040 So growing up, my dad had pieces of stereos and 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:38.080 computers he was building or taking apart scattered around the house. 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:42.439 Our garage was filled with carpentry tools, so this, It 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:46.560 actually feels like my world. They're handbuilt arcade machines and 0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:50.000 electronic signs and three D printed gizmos all around me, 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:54.560 and I'm surrounded by this spirit of invention. Looking at 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:57.439 the shelves, I feel like a kid in a toy store. 0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:00.840 I just want to pull everything down and play. And 0:20:01.080 --> 0:20:03.959 if I live close by, I might even consider ponying 0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:05.960 up the two hundred and thirty dollars a month to 0:20:06.119 --> 0:20:09.879 use it. Before long, we end up back on floor eleven, 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:13.280 the Longevity Floor where Lawrence works. He isn't a founder 0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:15.760 of this tower of fun, but he is kind of 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:18.480 like the mayor, and he's excited to show us a 0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:22.720 doctor's office cramped full of biohacking equipment hiding in the back. 0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:26.680 So here in the clinic, apart from the doctor consultations, 0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:31.720 he also supervises and does sessions with HBOT, these hyperbaric 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:32.919 oxygen therapy chambers. 0:20:33.240 --> 0:20:36.520 So there's a doctor here who comes in and. 0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:38.840 Consultation. 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:45.040 Yeah, for anyone within the building outside. Amazing. Yeah, that's the. 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:51.960 Frontier tower. Citizens get the better pricing, and Longevity Floor 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:54.320 members get some sessions for free every month. 0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:58.040 I have a sense of why Lawrence is so passionate 0:20:58.440 --> 0:21:01.760 about this intentional community that he's cultivated in this tower. 0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:04.720 But I want to understand why he cares so much 0:21:04.760 --> 0:21:08.280 about longevity, Like why is it that he wants to 0:21:08.359 --> 0:21:12.919 extend his life so badly? I'm so curious, Like, what 0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:16.240 is it that drives a person to this space? 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:21.520 Yeah, I was born with a genetic disease. It's called 0:21:21.880 --> 0:21:25.680 MT multiple hairly theiry exostoses there's these bone tumors. I 0:21:25.720 --> 0:21:27.479 have dozens of them still. But I had a lot 0:21:27.520 --> 0:21:30.280 of surgeries growing up. I spent a lot of time 0:21:30.280 --> 0:21:32.880 in hospitals. 0:21:45.359 --> 0:21:48.320 You know, one of the best pieces of advice anyone 0:21:48.359 --> 0:21:51.399 ever gave me is if you don't see something in 0:21:51.400 --> 0:21:56.360 the world that you want, make it. But even then, 0:21:56.520 --> 0:21:59.159 I'm surprised by how many people I've met on this trip, 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:03.920 many people in this building who've launched a company because 0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:09.560 they wanted to heal themselves, including Lawrence. Lawrence tells me 0:22:09.640 --> 0:22:11.760 how so much of his youth was spent staring at 0:22:11.800 --> 0:22:15.479 hospital ceilings, how he knows what it's like to be frail, 0:22:16.440 --> 0:22:18.160 and how he's still in a lot of pain. 0:22:19.480 --> 0:22:21.959 I initially wanted to become a doctor, but I was 0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:24.760 I had a hard time talking to people kind of 0:22:24.880 --> 0:22:27.720 on the spectrum and wouldn't be able to really talk 0:22:27.720 --> 0:22:28.600 to strangers. 0:22:29.160 --> 0:22:32.000 He quickly realizes he has an aptitude for computers, for 0:22:32.400 --> 0:22:35.880 creating games in new worlds, virtual places where he can 0:22:36.040 --> 0:22:40.399 escape his body. Before long, he's recruited to Silicon Valley, 0:22:40.720 --> 0:22:44.320 and today Lawrence has his fingers in all sorts of 0:22:44.359 --> 0:22:47.760 startup eyes. He tells me about a researcher who's using 0:22:47.760 --> 0:22:51.080 a cryptotoken called cryo Rat to fund his attempt to 0:22:51.080 --> 0:22:53.359 bring a frozen rat back to life. 0:22:54.320 --> 0:22:56.960 I see chronics as like an ambulance through time to 0:22:57.000 --> 0:23:00.360 a future hospital where they can bring it back and 0:23:01.240 --> 0:23:02.600 fix whatever was wrong with you. 0:23:03.320 --> 0:23:06.240 So the Paronis is advanced enough to be able to 0:23:06.240 --> 0:23:06.760 pull that off. 0:23:06.840 --> 0:23:12.480 Yet there are amazing results on cryo preservation. And also 0:23:13.000 --> 0:23:16.160 we've brought back organs and some organisms. 0:23:16.160 --> 0:23:18.600 From the latest I've read scientists have brought a piece 0:23:18.600 --> 0:23:23.080 of brain tissue from a mouse's brain back from deep freeze, 0:23:23.280 --> 0:23:27.320 which is incredible, but still it's a ways off from 0:23:27.320 --> 0:23:31.359 that time ambulance. And then Lawrence tells me about his 0:23:31.480 --> 0:23:33.000 dreams of the singularity. 0:23:33.960 --> 0:23:37.560 I think we cannot predict what happens after that explosion. 0:23:37.680 --> 0:23:40.680 This hypothetical, and Off talked about moment when AI will 0:23:40.720 --> 0:23:44.000 make technology move so quickly and so much faster than 0:23:44.040 --> 0:23:48.560 ever before that it's going to be near incomprehensible for mankind. 0:23:49.840 --> 0:23:52.200 I'm sympathetic to the idea of why someone who might 0:23:52.240 --> 0:23:55.880 have felt crapped in an imperfect body would be excited 0:23:55.920 --> 0:23:57.600 about the possibility of shedding his. 0:23:58.720 --> 0:24:01.240 I'm super curious to see what how weapons once we 0:24:01.280 --> 0:24:04.120 have brainwashing interfaces and we can communicate a peed of thought, 0:24:04.200 --> 0:24:06.600 and yeah, I don't even know what could be right 0:24:06.680 --> 0:24:11.280 like people a few thousand years ago, hunter gatherers, or 0:24:11.320 --> 0:24:14.840 even like Kevman like, I'm sure they couldn't imagine the 0:24:14.880 --> 0:24:15.720 things we do right. 0:24:15.640 --> 0:24:19.239 Now here at Frontier Tower, it feels like there are 0:24:19.280 --> 0:24:22.760 two ideas in competition. There's this pervasive sense that you 0:24:22.920 --> 0:24:25.280 need to take the world and all its flaws into 0:24:25.320 --> 0:24:29.040 your own hands because no one is coming to save you. 0:24:30.520 --> 0:24:33.960 And also there's a belief that some godly AI will 0:24:34.000 --> 0:24:36.760 be the solution, that AI is coming with all the 0:24:36.840 --> 0:24:40.480 answers to save us. And I don't quite know how 0:24:40.480 --> 0:24:44.439 to square those ideas. But Lawrence still hasn't answered my 0:24:44.520 --> 0:24:48.320 original question, so I ask him again, why is it 0:24:48.359 --> 0:24:49.560 that he wants to live forever? 0:24:50.840 --> 0:24:56.400 I just know that I love life and I wouldn't 0:24:56.440 --> 0:24:59.399 want to die as long as I'm healthy. I think 0:25:00.000 --> 0:25:01.800 east I want to live tomorrow, and I'm pretty sure 0:25:01.800 --> 0:25:03.600 tomorrow I want to live another day. And if you 0:25:04.200 --> 0:25:10.719 use mathematics proof by induction, you probably don't are not 0:25:10.800 --> 0:25:12.600 ever going to want to stop as long as you're healthy. 0:25:13.680 --> 0:25:17.480 Lawrence isn't alone in San Francisco. I'll meet dozens of 0:25:17.480 --> 0:25:21.600 young people who have only just started living, people who 0:25:21.600 --> 0:25:25.080 grew up feeling isolated and lonely and have taken heroic 0:25:25.119 --> 0:25:28.600 doses of mushrooms to combat their depression and chase their 0:25:28.640 --> 0:25:33.280 founder dreams, and have been drawn here like a summer 0:25:33.320 --> 0:25:37.639 camp for brilliant folks and oddballs who finally found one another. 0:25:38.960 --> 0:25:42.720