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Speaker 2: I'm a man, I'm for I've heard so many players say, well,

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Speaker 1: And Dan and Tye welcome back to the Sala verbal

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Speaker 1: Boys and girls. My name is ty Hildebrandt. That fine

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Speaker 1: Dan Rubinstein, sir, how you doing today? Good?

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Speaker 2: I did a lot of research for today's episode because

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Speaker 2: we are talking about coaching beef's of course, headlined by

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Speaker 2: Nick Saban and Jimbo Fisher's.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how.

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Speaker 2: You want to describe it politely from a few days

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Speaker 2: a couple days ago now. But also it got me

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Speaker 2: thinking about beef, and then I had to come up

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Speaker 2: with beef takes as somebody who I do eat some beef,

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Speaker 2: I had to think of some beef takes for the

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Speaker 2: But I'm excited for all things beef, beef, beef, beef, beef,

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Speaker 2: or impossible or beyond beef. What if that's your thing,

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Speaker 2: we can talk about that too.

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Speaker 1: course of our beef discussion. It's beef week here on

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Speaker 1: so before we get into beef week. Dan, we have

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Speaker 1: frigging news.

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Speaker 2: Wow, broke my headphones there beppepppppee.

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Speaker 1: Yep, they caught a little bit of distortion here on

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Speaker 1: the soundboard. But that's all right. Getting excited about the

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Speaker 1: division situation around college football, or shall I say the

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Speaker 1: lack thereof this escalated quickly.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I know, you can't just move a foot

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Speaker 2: it's on, you know, everybody's top of mind.

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Speaker 1: Just coming at me from all angles over here in

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Speaker 1: twelve does not have divisions. When they went to ten,

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Speaker 1: they dropped the divisions. No division. Okay, we're clear. ACC.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. All there's moving pieces everywhere, movie parts, but no divisions.

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Speaker 1: forty models, Yeah, forty models for a divisionless SEC existence.

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Speaker 2: what what does the postseason look like? Is they're going

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Speaker 1: The table kind of thing. Now.

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Speaker 1: I firgot. I don't care about conference championship games. You

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Speaker 1: So look, I'm all for it. We're changing everything. We're

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Speaker 2: I also all see the value in saying that championship

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Speaker 2: It doesn't happen all that often where there's like who

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Speaker 2: For as long as the playoff stays at four games.

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Speaker 2: As we've seen that we've already we've already had this

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Speaker 2: Now it's just one more roadblock, especially for these conferences

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Speaker 1: We'll say, if this goes to a place, I swear

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Speaker 1: to God, yeah, where every conference invents its own little

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Speaker 2: You get your wish sort of sort of.

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Speaker 1: I love them, okay with it, love this sport.

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Speaker 2: Like that doesn't do anything, I know, but it changes it.

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Speaker 2: I'm okay with more good games, which this gives us,

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Speaker 1: Well ha ha, that is a pro transition, my friends,

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Speaker 1: speaking of bad bud play. That Beef Week intro. Please, hey, Bud,

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Speaker 2: he calls Nick Saban despicable and improperly being treated like

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Speaker 1: So here is the death whatever you want to call this, Bristlemania,

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Speaker 2: Come up with did you come up with gristlemania in

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Speaker 1: It is beef week. I was good. Yeah. This started

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of West Virginia grit baked into this

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah. Continue. Notably, he took exception to any implication

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Speaker 2: So, right, there was definitely like an honor among thieves

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Speaker 2: was that vibe of like, oh, of course there is

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Speaker 1: But like you don't talk about it a lot.

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Speaker 2: So there was that there's a lot of meat on

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Speaker 1: I need to know. Are you team Saban? Are you

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Speaker 2: if you, if you made me choose. I don't think

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Speaker 2: because Nick Saban said, oh, we finished the top class

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Speaker 2: I think by just definition, every major college football coach

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Speaker 1: We love it.

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Speaker 2: We love the sport, we love the nonsense about the sport,

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Speaker 2: I relate to that. So I'm okay with having a

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Speaker 1: This was not an exercise in truth telling. It was

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Speaker 1: one for Team Saban by a nose. Yeah. And here's

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Speaker 1: This was not the buddy who had won too many

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Speaker 1: It's that feeling of being left behind. Mm hm. And

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Speaker 1: He has at a moment's notice, made rich boosters in

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Speaker 2: By the way, the Alabama the current Alabama strategy is

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Speaker 2: are just plugged at Jermaine Burton and Henry Tote and

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Speaker 2: But Alabama being very specific and I don't know, Look,

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Speaker 2: the organization is pulling together to do everything it can.

434
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 2: And obviously it's succeeded from this recruiting classes standpoint, especially

435
00:23:55,400 --> 00:24:00,199
Speaker 2: upfront on defense. But it's still Alabama doing things on

436
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 2: a higher level, even if they finish behind Texas A

437
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 2: and M and the recruiting rankings, just because of adding

438
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 2: those types of proven players, which they even did before

439
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 2: the free transfer era. They won a national championship with

440
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 2: Jake Koker transferring in from Florida City. Wasn't amazing, but

441
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 2: he plugged a hole that was desperately needed to be plugged.

442
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 2: So Alabama's in a great place. And if I may,

443
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 2: if I may, I think there's something else to play.

444
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 2: Unless you wanted to jump in specifically about the transfers, continue.

445
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 2: The other thing at play here is college football recruiting

446
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 2: has gone a certain way. Forever and ever, there has

447
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 2: been a process to college football recruiting and an understanding that, yes,

448
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 2: there is this gray area. Yes there are bag men

449
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,120
Speaker 2: for the top top players or top players whatever. Yes

450
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,119
Speaker 2: there are ways in which you play the game, the

451
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 2: Capitol g game, but that the change of nil and

452
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 2: collectives is one of the more dramatic, if not the

453
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 2: most dramatic change to college football recruiting. In these both

454
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 2: of these guys, Nick Sabans what seventy. Yeah, Saban's about seventy.

455
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 2: I think Jimbo's fifty five or fifty six. He's considerably younger,

456
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 2: just generationally, obviously that there is the and you you

457
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 2: worked in the corporate world, you have older relatives, that

458
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:22,679
Speaker 2: there is suddenly this. It's very easy for people of

459
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 2: an older generation or somebody who's been in an industry

460
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 2: for a long time to say, you know, when I

461
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 2: started out, we didn't have to worry about this, and

462
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,400
Speaker 2: like Nick Sabans talked about that with cutting tape, right,

463
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,159
Speaker 2: that you were physically having like your GA's cut film

464
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 2: with scissors, and that you were had you had loaded

465
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 2: up with VHS tapes, and things change over a number

466
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 2: of generations, and so whether it was a coworker of

467
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 2: yours in the corporate world saying like I didn't have

468
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 2: to use computers for this, I didn't have to schedule

469
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 2: zoom calls. I didn't have to do like what is

470
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 2: I don't know? This is all past me, This is

471
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 2: not for me. This is not how business it used

472
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 2: to be. That you just went out to lunch, you

473
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 2: got a couple beef steaks, you shook hands, and that

474
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 2: there was honor among looking somebody in the eye and

475
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 2: closing a deal that way. And now we have all

476
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 2: these NDAs and all these blabby blahs, and so it's

477
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 2: very easy for people who have succeeded on a huge

478
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 2: level in an industry when some sort of dramatic change

479
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 2: happens to say, I don't know if this is the

480
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 2: whole right way of doing this, Is this really really

481
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 2: where we want to be as an industry?

482
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 1: I feel like that's probably the case for most people

483
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:31,360
Speaker 1: not named Nick Saban. Saban's era at Alabama has been

484
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 1: defined by change, oh, I know, and he's the one

485
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 1: who has rolled with it better than anybody else. Yeah,

486
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 1: I mean, he's been so adaptable, if only on the

487
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,880
Speaker 1: coaching side with his staff, the turnover that he's seen

488
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: year in and year out, guys sure come in and go

489
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 1: and leave it for the NFL. Early all of these

490
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: guys that he has to replace on a year to

491
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: year basis, he has been the best at rolling with

492
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 1: the punches. That's why he's won six championships in tuske Lisa.

493
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,719
Speaker 1: But there's probably an element of that there, not just

494
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 1: for Saban, but for a lot of coaches of a

495
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 1: bygone era who are still around in college football and

496
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 1: now have to deal with this tidal wave of nil

497
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: and collectives and all sorts of other stuff that is

498
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: frankly brand new, and no one knows what's going to

499
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: go next.

500
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 2: No nobody knows. But I think, I really do think

501
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 2: A and M jumping up and A and M has

502
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 2: put together consistently very good classes under Jimbo, but not

503
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 2: all time. A and M jumping up the way that

504
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 2: they did, and then even most recently, like what we

505
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 2: presume to be Nico going to Tennessee Nico Yama label

506
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 2: I don't know how to pronounce his last name. I apologize,

507
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 2: that's definitely wrong. It has some people shook. And I'm

508
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 2: not saying Nick Saban is shook by A and M

509
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 2: or shook by Tennessee dramatically, but it's Nick Saban saying

510
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 2: are you sure you want to go in this direction?

511
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 2: Because nobody's going to do it better than Alabama and

512
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 2: Nick Saban And I don't think it's a warning shot necessarily,

513
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 2: but just are we sure this is where we want

514
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 2: to go as a sport? Not Nick Saban saying it's

515
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 2: a slippery slope. He's just maybe he's had a couple

516
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 2: pops in him and he's talking. Because what Texas A

517
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 2: and M did on the recruiting trail this year with

518
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 2: no championship history has people saying publicly, is this where

519
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 2: we want the sport to go?

520
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 1: Right?

521
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 2: Which, look, I'm kinda good with look, but it has

522
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 2: people shook.

523
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: Oh, it definitely has people shook, And I think that's

524
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 1: part of why there are folks out there who are

525
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: team Jimbo because it's really tough for somebody in Nick

526
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: Saban's chair to make comments like this to paint Alabama

527
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: as being at some sort of disadvantage. It's almost inconceivable

528
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: that he could do that, and he did it, and

529
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: I guarantee you it is effective for the people that

530
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: were in that room. Real quick, before we move on

531
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: and talk about some other beefs in college football. Sure,

532
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: Jimbo Fisher, for his part, also scored points with his

533
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: fan base. Right, I say, Saban by a nose, Just

534
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: by a nose, because Jimbo did exactly what he needed

535
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: to do. He lost me though, when he denied knowing

536
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: about the collective, like.

537
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,479
Speaker 2: Right, well, he's sort of very quietly said all were

538
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 2: independent of the Yeah, yeah.

539
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: These guys are paranoid control freaks. We've interviewed him, We've

540
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: talked to plenty of folks who deal with them on

541
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: a regular basis. Paranoid control freaks. Jimbo Fisher knows to

542
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: the very last shekel how much is in that A

543
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: and M collective, even if he is not actively involved.

544
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: You know, it's like a cousin of a cousin of

545
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: a cousin involved with it. He still knows enough about

546
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: that collective to understand the dynamic that it plays in

547
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: the A and M world and certainly certainly within the

548
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: world of college athletics. So again, both guys doing what

549
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: they have to do to fire up their fan base

550
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: and to make it feel as if there is a

551
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: rivalry here that is at stake, and whether you're on

552
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: the allib damocide and you were in that room where

553
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: you're watching from you know, your chair at home on YouTube,

554
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: or whether you're hanging out on tech SAgs dot com

555
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: and looking to figure out how can I contribute to

556
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: the A and M collective? Both guys, for their own part,

557
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: were very successful in just ginning up the fan bases.

558
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 2: I agree. I totally agree. The whole thing is pretty entertaining,

559
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 2: and I can theorize about changing industries and are we

560
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 2: sure this is where college football should be going? Again,

561
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,959
Speaker 2: it's just scaffolding upon scaffolding upon scaffolding, like we are

562
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 2: trying to make sense of a nonsensical spot, like sure,

563
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 2: maybe there will be a central governing body that will set,

564
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 2: you know, the guardrails that everybody likes to talk about

565
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 2: whatever they should be with nil with transfer portal stuff whatever. Maybe,

566
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 2: and that seems like it would be helpful, But do

567
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 2: you trust college football to put the right people in

568
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 2: place with that central governing body? Do you trust college

569
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 2: football to use the right processes with one hundred and

570
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 2: thirty teams and sixty five plus whatever and Notre Dame,

571
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 2: do you trust that many competing interests Because at least

572
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 2: with professional sports, there are a limited number of teams.

573
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 2: There are thirty ish teams, and there's you know, the

574
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 2: ownership and governing structure of those teams, and there's historical

575
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 2: organization to those sports that while it gets tweaked every

576
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 2: so often, and like the Brewers of the Astros jump

577
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 2: from one league to another, there's a certain accepted rigidity

578
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 2: to it. To what you know, in the playoff will grow.

579
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 2: The playoffs in baseball or basketball or whatever will grow,

580
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 2: and there's like a year end tournament in basketball. But

581
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 2: everything sort of stays relatively similar over the history of

582
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 2: the sport with gradual change. Not true with college football. No,

583
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 2: not true at all. And so I just never will

584
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 2: trust the sport quote unquote whatever that means to put

585
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 2: the right people in place to to somehow herd the

586
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 2: number of feral cats running around this sport into agreeing

587
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 2: to something that makes sense. Well, it's just it's too

588
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 2: too too late.

589
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: I said it before, I'll say it again. I'll say

590
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: it until I'm booing the face. What drives college football

591
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: is rivalries. Of course, it is rivalries. It is not championships.

592
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: Is rivalries. It's Taylor Swift bad blood. Of course, it

593
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: is bad blood. It is a house divided. It is

594
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: all of these things that we talk about on our

595
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: show week in and week out, especially as the season

596
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: gets here. That's what makes college football what it is.

597
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: The other thing is pure and utter chaos. Yeah, that

598
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: is what makes college football unique. Rivalries exist in all sports,

599
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: but the pure and utter chaos that surrounds that in

600
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: cases college football as we know it, that is truly unique.

601
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: No other sport has that. So, no matter how hard

602
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: they try, whether it's with a four team playoff with

603
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: no divisions, with a new and improved system whereby kids

604
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: can make money, a transfer portal that gives them more

605
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: of a voice in their own professional development. To quote

606
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: Jordan Addison, chaos rules supreme and it just hurting feral

607
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: cat seems like a great way to phrase it. They

608
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: just can't get their ducks in a row, and I'm

609
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: starting to think it's better when they don't.

610
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think who the most college football program is,

611
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 2: Who is the most college football college football program? My

612
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 2: case would be for the Arkansas Razorbacks. With the number

613
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 2: of dramatic swings in wins and coaching personalities and crazy games,

614
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 2: having like the call, you know, the whoopeg Everything that

615
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 2: encompasses Arkansas football to me makes them the most college

616
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 2: football football program. And so the more we get, you

617
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 2: know that the fact that Houston Nutt, Gus smels On,

618
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 2: Brett Bilima, Chad Morris, Bobby Patrino, and now Sam Pittman

619
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 2: have all been major figures within Arkansas, and the number

620
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 2: of NFL players, and just like the random excellence, you know,

621
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 2: having Darren mcfadditt, Like it's the most enjoyable thing within

622
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 2: college football. Not that I'm an Arkansas football fan, but

623
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 2: I think they are the most turbofied college football program

624
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 2: and watching those kinds of swings makes the sport what

625
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,760
Speaker 2: it is. Not Alabama, not recruiting classes, not Ohio State,

626
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 2: not you know, the heyday of the excellence, It's the

627
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 2: heyday of chaos, and so I am right there with you,

628
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 2: you know, sprinkle some more Arkansas on your roast and

629
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 2: a little less Alabama.

630
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: What about Auburn.

631
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 2: Auburn's there too, Absolutely Auburn's there.

632
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: Maybe they haven't quite had the coaching turnover that you

633
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,479
Speaker 1: reference with Arkansas, but certainly within the Gus Melson era,

634
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: the highs and lows man talk about riding a wave

635
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: if you're an Auburn fan throughout the Malson era, being

636
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 1: a championship contender, to the kick six, to the sheer

637
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: and utter bottom, and I know what happened on message boards,

638
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: constantly wondering is this it for Malason? Talk about turnouts now?

639
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: But they're too good, They're too good. They've been very good, yeah,

640
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: going too two national championship games in the time that

641
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: they did, and the kicks too good. Arkansas. The power,

642
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: the energy, the pure life force that is generated by

643
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: Arkansas football could power a small county somewhere, and that,

644
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 1: to me is the essence of the sport. Not Look,

645
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:41,919
Speaker 1: you can say the same about a number of teams

646
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: and a number of different conferences, whatever, But to me,

647
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: if they're almost in all due respect to Alabama, they're

648
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: almost to me, the forest gump of the past, like

649
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: twenty years right, just sort of appearing in the random

650
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 1: chaotic moments within the sport, just the bounce pass, like

651
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 1: there's just so much that I don't even know how

652
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 1: we got here specifically, But you're absolutely right that it

653
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: is that chaotic energy that describes the sport that defines

654
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 1: the sport, not excellence at the top, which I've been

655
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 1: trying to sell to you forever. And I'm glad you're

656
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: on the same page now, Well I am, and I'm not. Okay.

657
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 1: I've wanted to see a championship, some sort of formula

658
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: to determine a champion for as long as I've been

659
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: a college football fan. That's been important to me because

660
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: you know where I stand. I've always been of the

661
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 1: mindset that every other sport has a way to determine

662
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 1: its champion, usually in some form of a tournament. Right now,

663
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: because there are so many teams, you can't do it

664
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: premier league style where everybody plays everybody and then whoever

665
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: is the most points at the end of the season

666
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: wins the table. Like. You can't do that in college football,

667
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: So you need some sort of way to winnow, down

668
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,760
Speaker 1: the field. I've always been a fan of that because

669
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 1: I think it's important and I believe if you're not

670
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: playing for a championship, what are you playing for? That's

671
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: where we differ. But that being said, there is no

672
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: perfect formula, right, nor will there ever be. I mean,

673
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,760
Speaker 1: if college football were like any other sport, it wouldn't

674
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: be as good, it wouldn't be as good. And so

675
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,280
Speaker 1: that's where I think the true beauty of college football

676
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: really exists. Because despite our best efforts, despite everything we've

677
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: tried with this college football Playoff to make it a production,

678
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: to really make it something that we can sell to

679
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: fans as a one and true way to determine a champion,

680
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: still distracted with chaos. Still there is that extra layer

681
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: of oh my gosh, the prisoners are running the asylum.

682
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I don't think we're ever going to get

683
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: to a point where we get beyond that. I love

684
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: it now. That's why we do this. That's the one

685
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:42,919
Speaker 1: like if we were doing an NFL show, we would

686
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: have stopped this ten years ago. Truly, I hope not.

687
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, but it is this constant and pervasive chaos

688
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: that I think keeps everybody coming back for more. And

689
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: whether it's Jimbo and Nick Saban or a playoff discussion

690
00:37:55,840 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: or out of nowhere talking about getting rid of divisions,

691
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 1: it truly it is hurting of the feral cats. I

692
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: love it.

693
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's Look, what will eventually happen is it's

694
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 2: gonna get so wild that it'll drive out more and

695
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 2: more mainstream fans. Great, wonderful, Bye bye babe, Bye glad

696
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 2: you watched for a little while. Now it's just the weirdos.

697
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,240
Speaker 2: That's good by me. It's not good by the bottom

698
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 2: line for all of these conference TV deals, but it's

699
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 2: good by me.

700
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:31,760
Speaker 1: Well, look, we welcome everybody's feedback here. Yeah, on whatever

701
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 1: we're calling this. I did come up with royal grumble

702
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: in the shower. That's not bad. And I was going bristle,

703
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: but you made it better by saying gristlemania. Yeah, considering

704
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: this is beef week. Yeah, let us know if you

705
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: are team Saban or if you are team Jimbo. Yeah,

706
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: and let us know your thoughts on this new rivalry

707
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: now that I guess we have in college sports. It

708
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 1: is a rivalry. We've got the recruiting A and M

709
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: beat with the Calzada Armada. They beat A and M

710
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: or beat Alabama. Excuse me last year. This is a

711
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 1: rivalry in the SEC West.

712
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 2: What are the other major wrestling pay per views raised

713
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 2: in the cage?

714
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: Don't I don't know if they do. That's in a while, Okay.

715
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: I'm a purist from the mean gene Okerland era, so

716
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: forgive me. I think they've evolved things. And now there's a.

717
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 2: Mother Summer Slam. I'm just trying to think of puns

718
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 2: for you, Hell in the Cell. Maybe that's what I

719
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 2: was thinking of.

720
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,240
Speaker 1: Rage in the Cage. There's a Summer Slam, There's WrestleMania,

721
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: there's Royal Rumble, Survivor Series. Mm hmm. I don't know

722
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: if there are anymore. Those are the four majors.

723
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:44,479
Speaker 2: Helen Cell, Backlash, Elimination Chamber. Okay, money in the bank.

724
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 2: That feels like a good one, all right, do we Okay?

725
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 2: So it is beef week, so the transition, But what's

726
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 2: your problem?

727
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: What's your problem?

728
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 2: There are three accepted grades for beef from the USDA.

729
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 2: You have Prime, Choice and Select. If I'm not mistaken,

730
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 2: is that correct?

731
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: Which one is the Taco Bell Taco Meet? Would that

732
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: be Select? Or would that be Oh good question? Is

733
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: that not even on here?

734
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 2: So there are other classifications of beef, but they're not marked.

735
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 2: They're more for mass product. And one of them was utility,

736
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 2: which is not how you want to be discribed. No,

737
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 2: that's talking about not a sponsor.

738
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: Could be maybe not.

739
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 2: After the utility beef I think is where that may

740
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:37,720
Speaker 2: is my guess of utility beef beef.

741
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: Okay, Oh my god.

742
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 2: Could you imagine one of the supermarket and sing a

743
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:44,879
Speaker 2: sticker that said utility USDA utility. I'm like, well, I guess,

744
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,720
Speaker 2: I guess I have seventy nine cents per pound.

745
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the issue O.

746
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:53,240
Speaker 2: No, okay, So this is so Nick Saban and Jimbo

747
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 2: Fisher are absolutely prime. So you're talking about your your

748
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,879
Speaker 2: more marbled cuts. And what's nice about this as well

749
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 2: is the texts A and M meat judging team is

750
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,879
Speaker 2: fully elite. That's a real thing. It is a real thing,

751
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 2: absolutely real team. You couldn't a lot of marbling here,

752
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 2: couldn't afford this level cut if you went to most

753
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,479
Speaker 2: people listening to this. I don't know what your money

754
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 2: situation is, but at least in our solid verbal salary,

755
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 2: I don't think we could we could afford this cut

756
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 2: of meat. If this is as far back as my

757
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 2: memory goes, and my history is always hazy, and by

758
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 2: no means of my authority here right, this is about

759
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 2: as good a coach beef as I think I've ever seen. Like,

760
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 2: you can't top this. So currently yu beef goes for

761
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 2: a price between fifty and four hundred dollars per pound.

762
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 2: Have you ever had a piece of like the Yu

763
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 2: or the Kobe from Japan? Or there's American it's it's

764
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 2: it's the breed of cow, usually a younger cow that

765
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 2: is fed a good amount, perhaps grass fed, but there

766
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 2: is that marbling, there is that fat or muscular fat.

767
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: I see. I feel like I've had a Kobe beef burger.

768
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 2: Right, That's different, I think, but that's about That's about it.

769
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 2: I have once and somebody else was paying Holy hell tie. Yeah,

770
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 2: I'm not a big steak eater. I much prefer my

771
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 2: beef in like carnea sada or burger or a meatball

772
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 2: hero kind of form. If you're ever able to get

773
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 2: your hands on something like that, I wouldn't trust myself

774
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 2: to cook it because I'm just not an expert steak cooker,

775
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 2: it's something else. It's basically beefy butter if done correctly,

776
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 2: and it's great. So that's not the utility cut, right. No,

777
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say the reason it's prime is

778
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 2: because of how public. It wasn't like an awkward handshake. No,

779
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 2: it wasn't a press conference thing where they're you know,

780
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 2: sort of insinuating but like not naming somebody like over.

781
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: Here we do that.

782
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 2: It was direct and there was anger, and it was

783
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 2: you know, exactly what Jimbo Fisher and the words he

784
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 2: was responding to and exactly who Nick Saban was referring to,

785
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 2: and the insinuation he was making. That's why it's a

786
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 2: definite prime cut of beef.

787
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 1: So what we've got here is I think a list

788
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: of about ten other notable coaching beefs over the last

789
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: fifteen twenty years or so. Now we're going to go

790
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: through quickly. We're not going to cover these quite to

791
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:29,959
Speaker 1: the same level of detail as the Sabin Jimbo thing

792
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: going on right now, the gristlemania, if you will. But

793
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: I think we're going to grade each on the scale

794
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: of prime. What were the other two choice and select

795
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:46,760
Speaker 1: choice and select yeah, so let me submit this one

796
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: to you. Dan Rubinstein beef old Wendy's commercial Jeff Collins

797
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: versus Paton Ardoozi circa twenty twenty. You remember this one, yeah,

798
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: I do. This was a contentious game Pit one thirty

799
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: four to twenty something like that, and it was one

800
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: of those deals where it was a contentious game close late.

801
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: There was a scrum near the Pitt's sidelines in the

802
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,439
Speaker 1: fourth quarter and Jeff Collins, after the game, went out

803
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: and did a one of those like no look quick handshakes,

804
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 1: like he stuck his hand out and Ardouzy shook it,

805
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: but Collins wasn't looking at him. He sort of like

806
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: ripped his hand out of Narduzzi's hand and Narduzzi was

807
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 1: trying to hold on Collins. Lucky he didn't hurt his wrist, frankly,

808
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: but Nardouzi said after the game, you know, he said

809
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 1: to him, hey, you've got you've got a great team,

810
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: and Jeff Collins responded with boloney bony and then he

811
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: ran off, ran off. Collins later said that he was

812
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: just focused on getting his guys over to the band

813
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,720
Speaker 1: to celebrate. Doesn't even remember what was said. To be honest,

814
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: these two guys made peace, which I think is an

815
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: important distinction, because the prime the prime cut of beef

816
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 1: in this case are the ones where you don't have

817
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: that apology.

818
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 2: I always admire the fact that college football coaches, or

819
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:13,760
Speaker 2: any football coaches, or any major coaches, they shake hands

820
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 2: at the end, which I hear adults, I find, you know,

821
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 2: the sportsmanship is whatever.

822
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm.

823
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 2: Such a raw competitor for like Rex sports. I'm such

824
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 2: an idiot. I'm so stupid. But the fact that they

825
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 2: have to give press conferences after these games where they're

826
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 2: so worked up, and especially if they feel like they've

827
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 2: been robbed by the refs, or if they felt like

828
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 2: the other coach wasn't being you know, respectful on any level,

829
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 2: or that you know, there's a major injury that derailed

830
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,439
Speaker 2: the game or something like that. I'm always in awe

831
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 2: that they're able to sit down like adults in front

832
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 2: of a microphone and be, you know, politically, well, we

833
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 2: fought hard, but they were They're just the better team.

834
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: I don't get that. I couldn't never I coached little

835
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 1: league baseball, and I would not be able to do that. No, impossible,

836
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 1: And I was not like one of the crazy guys

837
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: out there. Either, I just got into it. I was competitive.

838
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: I wanted our guys to win. But don't put a

839
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: microphone in front of me after the game out, not

840
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 1: with some of those umpires that we had to deal with.

841
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? Yeah? All those ten year olds? Yeah?

842
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: Crazy all right, So look they made up. Yeah, I

843
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,919
Speaker 1: gotta quote here too beef. Yeah, this isn't too beefy.

844
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: I got a quote here from Nardoozi. He says he

845
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 1: was a class act. He was mad at the officials.

846
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah.

847
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's utility beef to me. This is I think

848
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 2: this is utility beef.

849
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. Next one up, Jim Mora and Bill Snyder another

850
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:44,760
Speaker 1: Wendy's commercial, twenty fifteen Alamo Bowl. Yeah, UCLA is about

851
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: to win by a forty to thirty five score. Case

852
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: State calls a timeout, so they pulled that desperation move

853
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: where there's one more play and they have no timeouts,

854
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: can't stop the clock. Ucla is just gonna kneel it.

855
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: You're gonna kill the clock in case hoping for a

856
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: fumble they're trying trying to get in.

857
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,280
Speaker 2: Their head or somebody drops. Yeah, for it's a weird mistake.

858
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: Case state they snap the ball. Case Date has defenders

859
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: who try to dive both over and under the UCLA line,

860
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 1: trying to swipe the ball out, which is kind of

861
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: like an unspoken role in football because you can hurt

862
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: alignment by by doing that. They're not expecting it. Maybe

863
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: they should have in this case, but Jimora was. He

864
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: was pissed about that, and so he did the quick

865
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: handshake and the pull away from Bill Snyder. But he

866
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: goes back later for a better handshake and has a

867
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 1: little bit of a heart to heart with Bill Snyder.

868
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: So this is like even this is like grade E

869
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: utility because then I have the quote. Let me see

870
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: if I have the quote, where did I put it here?

871
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 1: Listen to this quote. This is afterwards when they stuck

872
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: the mic in front of him. Not only does he

873
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 1: go back basically apologize make good with Bill Snyder, but

874
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: then he denies it. I'm not sure what you're talking about.

875
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, he's just a normal handshake, congratulate him, and

876
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: were going on in separate ways. There's not a lot

877
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: to say after games that tremendous man honored to be

878
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,439
Speaker 1: able to compete against him. See, this is why it's

879
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: bad beef, because he wasn't direct, passive aggressive. Yeah I don't.

880
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 1: I don't.

881
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 2: That's that's cowardly beef to me. Okay, so maybe I'll

882
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 2: give you select because I think he went he was

883
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 2: like vague on Twitter. I don't deal with that. That's

884
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 2: a way message beef.

885
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: Oh he's not good with that. He did. It is

886
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: a way message beef. That's a good call. He did

887
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 1: go back and tweet out about player safety. Yeah, I

888
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: forgot about that. Yeah.

889
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 2: And also it's not great beef because I don't think

890
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 2: K State was like, let's do this specifically because it's

891
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 2: U C l A like the the war of words

892
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 2: didn't last really that long. So I'll give it select.

893
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 2: But also it was an alimable.

894
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: Is that what it was? Al alimable? Yeah, it's just

895
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's choice. No, I'm going lower.

896
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 2: Select isn't choice. The choice is the middle?

897
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: Oh no, then I'm going select to all right, Yeah,

898
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 1: double select. Moving on, watch the beef Sir Mike Leach

899
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,919
Speaker 1: against Paul Patrino in twenty thirteen. This is when Leach

900
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 1: was with Wazoo. They beat Idaho, the Vandals and Paul

901
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:16,280
Speaker 1: Patrino by a forty two to nil score. Paul Patrino

902
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:20,760
Speaker 1: is not happy. Obviously they got destroyed, but Washington State's

903
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 1: tactics near the end of the game particularly perturbed him.

904
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 1: They were trying to preserve their first shutout. Wazoo was

905
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 1: since twenty thirteen, so they hadn't gotten a shutout in

906
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: like a decade, and in order to try and get

907
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:39,240
Speaker 1: that shutout, Leach trotted out some of his defensive first teamers.

908
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: On Idaho's final drive, there was goal line stand that

909
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: ended the game. Paul Patrino was not happy about that.

910
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's decent beef. I don't think Mike Leach really

911
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 2: extended the beef, which is, you know, you need two sides,

912
00:49:55,960 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 2: you need to cook beef on two sides. And it's again,

913
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,320
Speaker 2: I'm going select here. I'm going select here because.

914
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: This is utility. This isn't even real beef. They got

915
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: beef forty two to nothing, and he was pissed because

916
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: they put their defensive starters in because they didn't want

917
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: to give up points. Like, yeah, sorry, dude, Yeah, that's

918
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:21,839
Speaker 1: the way this works all right now. Now beef, it's

919
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 1: what's for dinner. Let's get let's get into some real

920
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: beef here. Yeah, Brett Beiloma, Gus Malazons. Now what did

921
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:29,839
Speaker 1: I say?

922
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 2: I said, Arkansas is the life force that powers college football,

923
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 2: and I said an Auburn actually yeah, and that's both sides. Yeah.

924
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: This one originated in twenty thirteen. It started when Bilma

925
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:44,280
Speaker 1: was at Arkansas. Obviously Malzon at Auburn in the summer

926
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: of twenty thirteen. It's a little bit of a summer

927
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: Slam situation here, mm hmm. Biloma made some comments about

928
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 1: Malason's offense, the hurry up, no huddle quote. All I

929
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: know is this, there are times when an offensive player

930
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: and a defensive player or on the field for an

931
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,879
Speaker 1: extended amount of time without a break. You cannot tell

932
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: me that a player after play five is the same

933
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 1: player that he is after play fifteen. If that exposes

934
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: him to a risk of injury, then that's my fault.

935
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: I can't do anything about it because the rules do

936
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: not allow me to substitute a player in whether I'm

937
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 1: on offense or defense. The problem that people have is

938
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: that you look at it just from an offensive or

939
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 1: defensive point of view. I'm looking at it from a

940
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: head coach's point of view that the personal well being

941
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,439
Speaker 1: and safety of my players is paramount. Well, now zomb

942
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,879
Speaker 1: thought it was a joke, literally thought it was a joke,

943
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: and then Bielimer responded with I'm not a comedian. Yeah,

944
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: it's great. This is the best I love, I love.

945
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: Then there were accusations of sign stealing, you know, like

946
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,800
Speaker 1: a spiky injury situation.

947
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 2: An Auburn faked injury, but then it turns out it

948
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 2: wasn't a faked injury, like a player went down, but

949
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 2: then he had an MRI. Like. There's all sorts of

950
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 2: great angles to this being obviously Brett Bulama's specific beef

951
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 2: he's just a beefy coach. And then having his wife,

952
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 2: you know, the the hashtag karma thing to Wisconsin fans,

953
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 2: just a it's a beefy family, like it's a it's

954
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 2: a beef forward family. Then you have the connection of

955
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 2: Gus Malson to the state of Arkansas. Of course, he

956
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 2: was a high school coach in Arkansas. State's coach for

957
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 2: a season, offensive coordinator for I think it was for Houston,

958
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 2: Nutt and O six, and you have the whole Mitch.

959
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: Mustain thing that there is.

960
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 2: It's such local grass fed beef with Gus Maleson in

961
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 2: the state of Arkansas. And didn't Auburn run for I

962
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 2: think it was a Campetway team it was. It was

963
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 2: some sort of record loss Hamar Kansas. It was like

964
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 2: fifty four to three or something that Oh god, I

965
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 2: think it was Sean who is the quarterback for Auburn

966
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 2: that Trent Dilferd said was like the next great NFL

967
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,439
Speaker 2: quarterback or something. God, yeah, I'm gonna look up his name.

968
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 2: But the fact that there are so many the inter

969
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 2: musculature narratives in this one to me because it was

970
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 2: also on a big stage, because it was also a

971
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 2: quadruple overtime matchup between the two fifty four to fifty

972
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 2: two with one of the Allen brothers at quarterback. I

973
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 2: think Austin Allen that there were so many different layers

974
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 2: that this is American YU great, this is prime B,

975
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 2: this is to be this is not Saban Jimbo. Saban

976
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 2: Jimbo is still better than this. But we're also in

977
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 2: early days. We're in early days with Saban Jimbo.

978
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 1: Keep this in mind.

979
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're in early days. But the fact that Jimbo

980
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 2: did win that game last year does add a nice

981
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 2: layer that he was the first Saban assistant, but the

982
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 2: difference in personalities of like Gus Malzan being sort of

983
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 2: reserved and like the hometown guy, where Brett Bielima is

984
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,839
Speaker 2: like the midwesterner coming in saying this is how I

985
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 2: believe football should be played, which I believe is like

986
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 2: one of the quotes in the back and forth, like

987
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 2: this is how I believe American football should be played?

988
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: Was there was.

989
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 2: Something in that? So I it's good think the games

990
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 2: have been more entertaining between the two by and large.

991
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 2: I actually think they're You're right that this is that

992
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 2: Saban Jimbo is relatively new at their current places, but

993
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 2: the fact that they go back as guys on the

994
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 2: same staff, it's real tough for me.

995
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: I don't see. Listen, Saban is gonna he's already tried.

996
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: Now he's gonna try to smooth this over. Mm hmm.

997
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: He's gonna try to smooth this over because he realizes.

998
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 1: I think that having this notable beef out there is

999
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:38,479
Speaker 1: probably not a good look, because if they are trying

1000
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: to fashion this Alabama program as a cut above doing

1001
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 1: it the right way, what have you. He's gonna want

1002
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,439
Speaker 1: to try to get rid of this. What I think

1003
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 1: could make this truly remarkable is if Jimbo continues with

1004
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 1: the line that he trotted out at that press conference,

1005
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: which was they asked him, did you talk to coach Sabin?

1006
00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 1: And he said, oh, he called, but we're done. You

1007
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: were done. We're done done, Zoe. Do you have that

1008
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: sound I have read? No, I should have had it. Ah,

1009
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: We're done. If he sticks with that. If he sticks

1010
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: with that, that's what takes this to the next stratosphere.

1011
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: So I still think the Sabin Jimbo thing is way

1012
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: better than this one. But the pettiness here and the

1013
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 1: fact that it went on for a couple of years, frankly, yeah,

1014
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:26,479
Speaker 1: makes this prime. Let's move on. Let's go to two

1015
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: thousand and nine bus the beef, Lane Kiffin versus Urban Meyer. Yeah,

1016
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: here's the context. Lane Kiffin new coach for Tennessee. That one,

1017
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,959
Speaker 1: that one precious here where he was coaching Tennessee. Shout

1018
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: out Jonathan Crompton. Yeah. At his introductory press conference, he

1019
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 1: said he was quote looking forward to singing Rocky Top

1020
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: all night long end quote after beating Florida in the

1021
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: swamp mm hmmm, Which was it beef unto itself? Like

1022
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: he can you know, it's an interest doctory press conference,

1023
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 1: Guys say whatever they want. That was fine, That wasn't

1024
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: a big deal, but he sort of continued with the

1025
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 1: Florida stuff throughout the next couple months. There was, in particular,

1026
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 1: a signing day breakfast with Tennessee donors where Kiffen went

1027
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: off about urban Meyer for alleged recruiting violations with respect

1028
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: to remember this name, Ni Keith Richardson, of course, Nick

1029
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 1: Keith Richardson quote, I'm going to turn Florida in right

1030
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 1: in front of you, Kiffen said, while the keys was

1031
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 1: on campus, his phone kept rigging. One of the coaches says,

1032
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:37,839
Speaker 1: who's that, and he says, urban Meyer. That's not really

1033
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 1: a recruiting violation. I'm not fully up to speed with

1034
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 1: the rules at present or in the past. But if

1035
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: he called him and he was on campus, like that's

1036
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 1: just sort of happens. No.

1037
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:54,280
Speaker 2: I genuinely liked Lane Kiffin saying this is a recruiting

1038
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 2: violation to contact somebody who's on campus when there's what

1039
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 2: was the commercial for Facebook where there the older lady.

1040
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 2: That's not how any of this works. Lane Kiffin had

1041
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 2: to pass a test. All coaches have to pass a test.

1042
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:10,320
Speaker 2: That a test that they understand and they other quizzed

1043
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:13,320
Speaker 2: on the rules of NCAA and recruiting and timelines and

1044
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 2: windows and contact periods. Lane Kiffin misinterpreted part of his

1045
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:18,919
Speaker 2: study guide on that one.

1046
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 1: He did so he was forced to apologize. Mike Slive

1047
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: then the commissioner of the SEC made him apologize. But

1048
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: he kept chirping about Urban and Florida for the remainder

1049
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: of his time at Tennessee. Urban there was so eventually

1050
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 1: they play right Yeah and Urban Meyer and Florida win,

1051
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: but the offense was sort of held in check by

1052
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 1: a Tennessee defense Monte Kiffin's Monty Kiffin Right Yeah. Urban

1053
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 1: Meyer talks about how some players on the team were

1054
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 1: recovering from the flu and that maybe that had something

1055
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: to do with it. Like he didn't say it out right,

1056
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: but he implied that, well, we had Jeff Demps and

1057
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 1: then Aaron Hernandez right on that Florida team. These guys

1058
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: were dealing with the flu. Kiffin takes this as license

1059
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 1: to fire off another one at Florida quote. I don't know,

1060
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 1: maybe we'll wait for a poor performance and then tell

1061
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 1: everyone that our team was sick. Kiffin, ever, the troll

1062
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 1: is just what he does. He likes doing this. Eventually

1063
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: they bury the hatchet. When Kiffen was at Alabama and

1064
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 1: he had nothing but nice things to say about Meyer

1065
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: and communicate and blah blah blah blah blah. But this

1066
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 1: had a nice one year run. Here. Where do you

1067
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 1: put this?

1068
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 2: I just have it a select because it was mostly

1069
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 2: one way. It was mostly one way beef. There was

1070
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 2: no real back and forth like urban Meyer didn't take

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00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 2: the bait, nor should he have, considering where the Florida

1072
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 2: program was, because then you're punching down. So beef is

1073
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:51,919
Speaker 2: especially tasty when they're on the same level. And Lane

1074
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 2: Kiffin was just and I don't blame him fully for

1075
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 2: trying to like stir up enthusiasm and get people in

1076
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 2: a frenzy at Tennessee, which you know was obviously came

1077
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 2: to the end of the Phil Fillmore era in a

1078
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 2: not amazing way. But he didn't do enough to rile

1079
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 2: up urban Meyer to do anything publicly in that way.

1080
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: To take the bait.

1081
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 2: So to me, it's still just a Laine Kiffin exercise,

1082
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 2: not necessarily full beef between the coaches. So to me,

1083
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 2: it's only select.

1084
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: I think it's only select. Yeah, yeah, by the way, entertaining.

1085
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 1: But I would love to see how Urban reacts to

1086
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 1: a real beef. I don't know. I don't know. He

1087
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 1: might short circuit.

1088
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 2: So, I mean, there's been other instances. I think it

1089
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 2: was who was Miami's coach in like two thousand and

1090
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 2: six or seven eight, Was that Randy shann I remember

1091
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 2: Florida like kept scoring and kept going for it when

1092
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 2: they were comfortably beating Miami, and urban Meyer was called

1093
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 2: class list and it was like, well, it's your job

1094
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 2: to stop. Like there's stuff like that that has chased

1095
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 2: urban Meyer around in terms of inter coaching. Beeves, Yeah,

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01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 2: that's right, that's how I'm pluralized. Sure beef, but no,

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01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 2: I don't know if there's one specific like Urban and

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01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 2: Saban and they're competing for the same guy, I don't know.

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01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 1: Well, now there's frankly, there's it's everybody against him now

1100
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 1: in the wake of what went down in Jacksonville. So

1101
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 1: we'll see how the Urban Meyer reputation tour goes as

1102
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 1: he tries to reclaim.

1103
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 2: That it's urban meyer versus decent human behavior. Correct current beef.

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01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, got two more here, and then we're gonna let

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01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 1: the fine people go. Okay, what do you have? What's

1106
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 1: your deal? What's your deal? Man?

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01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1108
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:41,439
Speaker 1: All the way back yonder in two thousand and nine,

1109
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 1: of course, referring to Jim Harbaugh and Pete Carroll. So

1110
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 1: this started when Harbaugh took over Stanford in seven and

1111
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 1: I believe they were a forty one point dog, if

1112
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 1: memory serves, a forty one point dog against USC and

1113
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 1: they beat him maybe twenty four to twenty three. And

1114
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 1: two years later when they played this was when both

1115
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: teams had a winning record. Harball blows out Pete Carroll

1116
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:12,479
Speaker 1: in Uscif how many scores scored?

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01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 2: Fifty plus fifty five to twenty one? Yeah, And what

1118
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 2: rankled Pete Carroll is that Harball went for two. The

1119
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 2: game was a foregone conclusion at that point they had scored.

1120
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 2: Harball goes for two.

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01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. What happens after this was a made for social

1122
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 1: media moment with two sort of like awkwardish guys, maybe

1123
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 1: Harball more so than Carol, but nonetheless, yeah, two guys

1124
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 1: who are cheeseball in their own right. At the fifty

1125
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 1: yard line postgame, Carol goes up to Harball and says,

1126
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 1: what's your deal? Are you all right? And how does

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01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:53,959
Speaker 1: Harball respond? Jim, what's your deal? What's your deal? What's

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01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 1: your deal? What's your deal? It didn't really go much

1129
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 1: further than this, though, did it?

1130
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 2: It definitely did ty. Do you know why it went further?

1131
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 2: Because they played in the NFL forever and ever it's

1132
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 2: multi platform beef. This is prime beef because we have

1133
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers in Seahawks. You have players getting involved.

1134
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 2: You have Richard Sherman, who plays for Jim Harbaugh in college,

1135
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 2: then plays for Pete Carroll and the pros.

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01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 1: You have all that.

1137
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 2: I think Jim Harbaugh's wife tweeted out something about not

1138
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 2: doing things right in Seattle. Then Jim Harbaugh makes a

1139
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 2: comment about like the adderall accusation about the band substance

1140
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 2: with the Seahawks players, and you have all these players

1141
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 2: going back and forth, and then it's all like highlighted

1142
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 2: by the Richard Sherman interception over Colin Kaepernick at the

1143
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 2: end of the NFC Championship game. If memory serves, what's

1144
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 2: out like twenty thirteen, somewhere in there twenty twelve. Maybe

1145
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 2: it's an incredible beef that I think they've buried the

1146
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 2: hatchet somewhat since, and they've talked about like, Okay, we've

1147
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 2: liked you know, we really like competing, and I really

1148
01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 2: like beating him. But he's a great coach and they

1149
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 2: have nice things to say about each other. But the

1150
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 2: fact is that the beef continues from the pack then

1151
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 2: Pac ten to the NFC West is It's almost international beef, right,

1152
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 2: This is beef traveling the globe.

1153
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 1: I love it.

1154
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 2: This is almost as prime as prime gets.

1155
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 1: Ah Man, I see, I only go choice with this

1156
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 1: one because really, yeah, because the college football portion of

1157
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 1: the beef was relatively limited, it was contained.

1158
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 2: This is a college football show, right, But can I

1159
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 2: say this, I'm gonna it's your show. This is definitely

1160
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 2: not true. But USC gets drilled by Stanford doormat under

1161
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 2: Wald Harris. They get drilled by Stanford and Andrew Luck

1162
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 2: And I think it was Toby Gerhart ran for a

1163
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 2: bajillion yards against that USC team drilled by Jeremiah Solely

1164
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 2: on how I think it was the Halloween game in

1165
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 2: Autsen They lose to Arizona, they lose to Washington. And

1166
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 2: it's definitely not true that Pete Carroll saw the writing

1167
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 2: on the wall that they were better coaches than there

1168
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 2: were the first part of the decade and left for

1169
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 2: the NFL. That's not true, no, okay, but those are events.

1170
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 2: Those are events that happened in two thousand and nine

1171
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 2: that was going so I like that. It was part

1172
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 2: of like a send off to Pete Carroll to the NFL,

1173
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 2: along with you know the coming you know implications of

1174
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 2: the NCAA investigation and penalties. I understand all that. The Cavalry,

1175
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 2: we wanted a new challenge whatever, but USC got drilled.

1176
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 2: Young Matt Barkley got drilled by those teams. Okay, next one,

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01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 2: This is the best.

1178
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 1: This is the best.

1179
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 2: I have definite prime. Continue, this is the best one.

1180
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 1: This is the prime that probably for my money, gets

1181
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 1: as close to Jimbo Saban as anything we've discussed here today. Okay,

1182
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 1: last one, all the way back in two thousand and six,

1183
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 1: Paul Johnson against Brian van Quorter.

1184
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 2: That's a good one. I'm also my PostScript is going

1185
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 2: to be Gary Patterson and our briles.

1186
01:04:55,400 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 1: But continue, BVG took over Georgia Southern six. He was

1187
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 1: only there for one year, but he made it well

1188
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:05,720
Speaker 1: known that he was going to scrap the option offense.

1189
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 1: And Paul Johnson had a history Georgia Southern right. He

1190
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 1: was an OC there, very successful OC during the most

1191
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 1: successful period of Georgia Southern football in the mid eighties,

1192
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 1: and then he came back. He was head coach in

1193
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 1: the late nineties through oh one, I want to say

1194
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 1: so he took it personally when he found out about

1195
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 1: some of these quotes, and BBG was really not making

1196
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 1: any secret of the fact that he did not believe

1197
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 1: the option was a modern offense. He said things like

1198
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 1: wanted to take the program quote into the twenty first century.

1199
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:40,919
Speaker 1: He talked a lot about how the option was impossible

1200
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 1: to recruit to right, that it just wouldn't translate to

1201
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 1: high level football. So there was even an advertisement at

1202
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 1: one point with the Georgia Southern Marketing department where they

1203
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 1: were promoting a series of video clips talking about Brian

1204
01:05:56,360 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 1: Van Gorder proclaiming there is no option. There is no

1205
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 1: option right, and it was sort of like a catchy

1206
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 1: little marketing thing, but they eventually edited it out and

1207
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 1: it just it really pissed off Paul Johnson when he

1208
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 1: found out about it. Yeah, this got to the point

1209
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 1: where Paul Johnson calls up Georgia Southern's athletic department and

1210
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 1: says that he wants to schedule a game with the Eagles.

1211
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1212
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 1: Quote, why do you want to play us? Quote because

1213
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:27,600
Speaker 1: I want to beat the hell out of Brian van Quarter.

1214
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was It was akin to Brian Van Gorder

1215
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 2: proposing to and agreeing to marry Paul Johnson's daughter and

1216
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:44,919
Speaker 2: going to Paul Johnson or just very publicly saying, look,

1217
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:49,919
Speaker 2: she seems pretty good, but she needs to lose weight,

1218
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:52,600
Speaker 2: like a good chunk of weight, and she maybe gets

1219
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 2: some work done on her face. And I don't know

1220
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:58,640
Speaker 2: who raised her, but we got to get some decorum

1221
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 2: in here. It was very personal and that was great because,

1222
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 2: as you also will will know, they had a chance

1223
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 2: to settle things on the field a few years later,

1224
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 2: did they not?

1225
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 1: Few a few years later? Yeah, they had a chance

1226
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:15,120
Speaker 1: to settle things on the field. I was thinking Seinfeld,

1227
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 1: George going to where was it Akron of the Jerk

1228
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:23,680
Speaker 1: Store the Jerk Store line, Yeah, like really just pulling

1229
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 1: out the stops to try and get revenge. Paul Johnson

1230
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 1: was not having any of it. They did not get

1231
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:30,520
Speaker 1: to play the game. Navy did not play Georgia Southern,

1232
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:34,560
Speaker 1: but years later Georgia Tech squares off against Louisville when

1233
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:38,720
Speaker 1: BBG was defensive coordinator and they killed them.

1234
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 2: It was ta Kwan marshall right. They killed them sixty

1235
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:48,160
Speaker 2: six to thirty one. They so hammered him. Yeah, I

1236
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:52,040
Speaker 2: am somebody who have nothing else respect holding on to

1237
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 2: a grudge and letting it burn.

1238
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 1: This is prime, is prime, absolutely absolute prime.

1239
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 2: I was gonna mention because we have to run here

1240
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:02,000
Speaker 2: in a second, but I was going to mention Gary

1241
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:04,680
Speaker 2: Patterson and Art Briles going back to the Amad Dixon

1242
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:07,520
Speaker 2: hit on Trevon Boykin. When Boykin was sort of a

1243
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:10,520
Speaker 2: slash before he took over full time as a quarterback.

1244
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:12,920
Speaker 2: They used him as sort of an athlete, including playing quarterback,

1245
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:15,440
Speaker 2: and he took a huge hit. Amad Dixon, the Baylor

1246
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 2: safety known for those big hits, celebrates after being ejected

1247
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 2: for targeting and is smiling for TV cameras. And Gary

1248
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:25,639
Speaker 2: Patterson took to the mic after the game, both saying

1249
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 2: he has a ton of respect for Brill's in the

1250
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:31,240
Speaker 2: Baylor program. But also what do we say. It's always

1251
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 2: whatever comes after the butt is the truth. That's what

1252
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 2: he means. And he mentioned a Mad Dixon being arrested

1253
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 2: in the preseason and that Brile's didn't handle that correctly.

1254
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:44,600
Speaker 2: And then a year later, Gary Patterson mentioned Sam Nuachiku,

1255
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 2: I believe, and the surrounding issues to say the least

1256
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:53,080
Speaker 2: involving his transferrom Boise State with the sexual assault allegations,

1257
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:57,439
Speaker 2: and obviously it did. Things have not aged well no

1258
01:08:57,640 --> 01:09:02,680
Speaker 2: for Art Briles's reputation as a figurehead of a program.

1259
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 2: And that was the words from another Baylor player on

1260
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:08,559
Speaker 2: the field for Gary Patterson. So that was brief. But

1261
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:10,800
Speaker 2: I will say it borders on prime because it's an

1262
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:13,839
Speaker 2: existing rivalry game with beasts between the head coaches.

1263
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 1: Dude, that's definitely prime. That got personal, right. I think

1264
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:19,880
Speaker 1: it's pretty You can't even say that about most of these.

1265
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:21,920
Speaker 1: Most of these I think are sort of tongue in cheek.

1266
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:24,639
Speaker 1: Even the Saban Jimbo thing. Those guys, this was real, man.

1267
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:27,560
Speaker 1: Those guys know what they're doing, right, They're trying to

1268
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:30,800
Speaker 1: play to their fan bases. But the Patterson thing that

1269
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:34,559
Speaker 1: got ugly, like yeah, for real, for real ugly, real, real,

1270
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 1: real beef. All right, well, this is fun. Give me

1271
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:40,600
Speaker 1: that sound one work. I love that sound. Hey, but

1272
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 1: what's your problem? What's your problem? What's your probably?

1273
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 2: And it's almost like what's your deal in there as well?

1274
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:50,759
Speaker 1: So I like that, Dan Rubinstein, this is fun. Please

1275
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:52,720
Speaker 1: do right in sliverable at gmail dot com. Let us

1276
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:55,880
Speaker 1: know your thoughts on all things coaching beef. We're gonna

1277
01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:58,880
Speaker 1: talk more, yes, a little bit. We definitely forgot a few,

1278
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:01,599
Speaker 1: but we'll talk more. There's more beef to go around here.

1279
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 1: Yes on the solid verbal. Please do tune in on Thursday.

1280
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:08,519
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