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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Helvin and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.

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Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, September twenty second, twenty twenty one, Season seventeen,

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Speaker 1: Episode number twenty six. Welcome to the latest edition of

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Speaker 1: The Break. Nick, It's time twenty six, which getting Hamlin

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Speaker 1: my boy shout out to the bras. Arkansas is the Arkansas.

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Speaker 1: I thought you're about to say, RQQ, No Arkansas. He

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Speaker 1: played at Arkansas. He was a really good player. Why

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Speaker 1: would you because he said r I heard the rye

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Speaker 1: am I not allowed to say you're allowed? Oh okay,

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Speaker 1: I don't you just don't. You shouldn't like run into

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Speaker 1: had a good idea. Would never do that, you know, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's what a start to the show.

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Speaker 1: Ken Hamlin maybe the last Pro Bowl safety no Roy

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Speaker 1: Williams would made it well, no, I think he was

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Speaker 1: like two thousand and seven, right, Oh my gosh, which

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Speaker 1: is not long since they've had a Pro Bowl Pro

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Speaker 1: Bowl safe before. I before I made my snaffoo about

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Speaker 1: Derek s Fratt, I was gonna say, like, oh, that's

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Speaker 1: fitting because he was one of the last Cowboys dbs

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Speaker 1: to have like a really good season in terms of interceptions.

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Speaker 1: Because Trayvon Dix has two after two weeks, I think

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Speaker 1: that it hasn't happened in a long time. Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: that good. Yeah, spent a minute dB period, good point,

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Speaker 1: which I looked this up. I looked this up yesterday,

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Speaker 1: so it's on my mind. Last decade, they had a

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Speaker 1: good season. In twenty fourteen, they had eighteen interceptions as

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Speaker 1: the last decade has been awful. But the guys who

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Speaker 1: it's DB's doing all of it, very impressive. And the

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Speaker 1: very namemaking plays. Yeah, these aren't deflected balls that go

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Speaker 1: up in the air. And you get it, which is great,

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Speaker 1: Johnny on the spot, you love that. But this guy's

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Speaker 1: that one interception against and I guess Tampa that wasn't deflected,

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Speaker 1: cornerbacks that have played for this team over the last deck.

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Speaker 1: I said this on a show like Monday, like the

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Speaker 1: They were making the point. You know, it would have

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Speaker 1: And my thought was, even looking back in retrospect, I

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Speaker 1: Like tanks sack numbers don't fully show how good of

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Speaker 1: Talk a little bit of about the Philadelphia offense. What's up, Bucky?

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Speaker 1: skill positions, and so you have to concentrate really on

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Speaker 1: a If we kill the head of the snake, the

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Speaker 1: body will die. So if you take care of hurts,

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Speaker 1: the rest of the stuff will kind of take care

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Speaker 1: of itself. I definitely I want to get back to

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Speaker 1: Devanta Smith at some point. But I'm curious, Bucky, and

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Speaker 1: I've followed this guy's story just because I try to

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Speaker 1: pay attention to the division. I know he started last year,

433
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Speaker 1: but I do not know a lot about his game.

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Speaker 1: So imagine my surprise when the Eagles give Jordan Malata

435
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Speaker 1: this huge extension before the season starts. How good is

436
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Speaker 1: this dude? And I mean, like, is this a deal

437
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Speaker 1: that's more about projection or is he already like a

438
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Speaker 1: dominant left tackle. It's a little bit of both, but

439
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Speaker 1: he is really good. He's a guy who's a rugby

440
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Speaker 1: player who has outstanding athleticism at the position, quickly picked

441
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Speaker 1: up the position so much so that they moved Dillard,

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Speaker 1: I mean out of the lineup in their conversations about

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Speaker 1: maybe he's on the trade line. So he obviously has

444
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Speaker 1: to be very very solid in what he's been doing

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Speaker 1: and how he's playing and how they see him playing

446
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Speaker 1: down the line that they didn't just slide in their

447
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Speaker 1: first round pick. I will say he is kind of

448
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Speaker 1: the new school athlete that is playing on the edges.

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Speaker 1: He is a dancing bear who's nimble enough to kind

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Speaker 1: of shadow box with some of those speed rushers, but

451
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Speaker 1: also can anchor against the power players. He's a really

452
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Speaker 1: good player in his best days are ahead. I don't

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Speaker 1: love that, all right, So these two stats caught my attention.

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Speaker 1: I want to get your opinion on what wins this

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Speaker 1: weekend or Monday night. Dallas right now leads the league

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Speaker 1: with six takeaways. Philly, on the other hand, leads the

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Speaker 1: league with z year old turnovers through two games, which

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Speaker 1: one wins out on Monday Night. It's all about creating pressure.

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Speaker 1: I would say that the Cowboys have shown a propensity

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Speaker 1: to be able to turn the ball over. They did

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Speaker 1: it with Tom Brady, they did it with Justin Herber

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Speaker 1: and those guys. I think the Cowboys' ability to kind

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Speaker 1: of get after it will continue to force turnovers. If

464
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Speaker 1: you can quicken the clock for the quarterback, that's when

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Speaker 1: the bad things happen. And also, the Cowboys have made

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Speaker 1: a concerted effort to generate turnovers. When you watched in practice,

467
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Speaker 1: everything was about taking the ball away. Those practice efforts

468
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Speaker 1: that have translated into success in games, and now it's

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Speaker 1: a feeding frenzy because once the players believe that all

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Speaker 1: the things they've done in practice shows up and producers results.

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Speaker 1: Now they really ratted it up in game days. So

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Speaker 1: they're gonna go after the ball. All right, Bucky fill

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Speaker 1: in the blank. Dan Quinn comes over to you and says,

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Speaker 1: all right, Bucky, you're gonna run this defense this week.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna put Micah Parsons where off off the edge.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have Michael Parsons do what he does really well,

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Speaker 1: because it is about putting the best of eleven on

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Speaker 1: the field. Look, I know there's a guy that we

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Speaker 1: haven't I mean, we criticize a ton, but Jala Smith

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Speaker 1: is actually playing pretty well. So if I can keep

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Speaker 1: Jaal Smith on the field and Michael Parsons and LV,

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Speaker 1: I want to keep all those guys on the field,

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Speaker 1: and if I can do it in a very creative way,

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Speaker 1: whether that's a three three five lineup or doing different

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Speaker 1: things two four fives, I'm going to do that because

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Speaker 1: the one thing that we saw Michael Parsons is really

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Speaker 1: explosive and he is a handful. If you don't have

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Speaker 1: a right tackle that can deal with this combination of speed,

489
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Speaker 1: strength and power. If you can find an explosive athlete

490
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Speaker 1: that can disrupt the passing game, you gotta put him

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Speaker 1: on the field and let him do what he does

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Speaker 1: really well. Michael Parsons, to me, was always a guy

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Speaker 1: that was an outstanding blisser. But now that he can

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Speaker 1: do it from an upright position off the edge, I

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Speaker 1: gotta let him do it because he is a dominant player.

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Speaker 1: He's a difference makeup the line of scrimmins. Would you

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Speaker 1: do you think they would have done it if Balaga

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Speaker 1: was out there? Like, do you want to see him

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Speaker 1: against a veteran or a talent more talented tackle? Oh?

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Speaker 1: I think he would have will Brian Belogging too? Like?

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Speaker 1: I think that's a I think it's an issue. The

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Speaker 1: issue that you have with dealing with Michael Parsons. You're

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Speaker 1: talking about sixty one, So when sixty three two hundred

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Speaker 1: forty six pounds, we can talk about the four three

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Speaker 1: eight forty, but really it's the ten times his get

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Speaker 1: off is exceptional, and when someone can get off the

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Speaker 1: ball like that, it puts immediate pressure on the Deefer tackle.

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Speaker 1: Then he's not a finished product because if he develops

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Speaker 1: an inside maneuver or a counter maneuver, it is going

510
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Speaker 1: to be a problem. And so now that he is

511
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Speaker 1: kind of I guess, waking up a lot of eyes

512
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Speaker 1: around the league, He's going to get some attention that

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Speaker 1: should allow other guys to get open, either in one

514
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Speaker 1: on one matchups or if you bring an additional rusher.

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Speaker 1: So I think you have to leave him there for

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Speaker 1: the time being until the markets Lawrence comes back, just

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Speaker 1: because he has been so effective and so dominant. So

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Speaker 1: I mentioned DeVante Smith, I am curious. I haven't had

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Speaker 1: a ton of time to watch the Eagles in more

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Speaker 1: than just passing, but he looked like the Heisman winner

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Speaker 1: week one and San Francisco took him out of the

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Speaker 1: game in week two almost completely. So was it something

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Speaker 1: they were doing he just have I mean, could he

524
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Speaker 1: not get separation? Were they pressing him? Did they just

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Speaker 1: not have time to throw? What was the issue there?

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Speaker 1: I think it's a combination of fact is. I think

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Speaker 1: it's a combination of like where the reeds were and

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Speaker 1: sometimes coverage wins They didn't do anything out of the

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Speaker 1: ordinary to take him out of the game. He's not

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Speaker 1: a guy who commands a double team or double coverage

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Speaker 1: at this point. I think they just did a good

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Speaker 1: job of being mindful of where he was. And you know,

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Speaker 1: the way the Eagles played, they just couldn't get into

534
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Speaker 1: a rhythm to quarterback, could not get into a rhythm,

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Speaker 1: and so it just prevented Debout Smith from getting the ball.

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Speaker 1: But he's a very talented player. The thing is, I

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Speaker 1: would say the good thing is Digs played against him

538
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Speaker 1: for years at Alabama, so he kind of knows who

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Speaker 1: he is. So I don't think there's any mystery to

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Speaker 1: what DeVonta Smith is going to do. And I think

541
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Speaker 1: when you have that kind of intel, you share it,

542
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Speaker 1: because it's not just playing against him in games, it's

543
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Speaker 1: seeing them every day in practice and knowing what gives

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Speaker 1: him problems. Add the line of scrimmage and catch or

545
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Speaker 1: trail techniques, all of those things, and so I would

546
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Speaker 1: think that the book would be out there on Devonsta Smith.

547
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't expect the Cowboys to necessarily have a ton

548
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Speaker 1: of problems dealing with him and how they want to

549
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Speaker 1: match up with him. Statistically, Cowboys defense has done pretty

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Speaker 1: well stopping the run in their first two games. I

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Speaker 1: personally believe a lot of that was about the fact

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Speaker 1: that they played two teams that weren't really committed to

553
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Speaker 1: running the ball, like Philadelphia runs the ball. If have

554
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Speaker 1: you seen anything from Dallas in the first two weeks

555
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: set gives you confidence or makes you question their ability

556
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Speaker 1: to stop the run. Now going up against a team

557
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Speaker 1: that's all predicated on running the ball, Yeah, I think

558
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Speaker 1: the stats are misleading for the Eagles because Jenna Hurst

559
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Speaker 1: prizes a lot of that. Some of them down scramble,

560
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Speaker 1: some of those on read option plays. It's not necessarily

561
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Speaker 1: that old school a We're gonna line up in three

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Speaker 1: yards in the cloud of dust you all night. The

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Speaker 1: Cowboys have been really solid stopping the run, and part

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Speaker 1: of the reason they've been able to do it is

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Speaker 1: because they've been able to win on early downs that

566
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Speaker 1: they can dictate the terms, put the team the opponent

567
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Speaker 1: and longer the situations and make them pass to the

568
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Speaker 1: teeth of the defense. The other part of it is

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys offense is their best defense, and so in

570
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Speaker 1: the last game, I want to say the charges only

571
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Speaker 1: had sixty two offensive plays. Part of that is because

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Speaker 1: of the slow down pace that the Cowboys offense operated.

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Speaker 1: And so if they're working in concert where the offense

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Speaker 1: is kind of slowing the game down and the defense

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Speaker 1: doesn't have to play a ton of snaps, they're gonna

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Speaker 1: be able to stop the run because they're fresher. The

577
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Speaker 1: problem comes when you can't get off the field or

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Speaker 1: the offense isn't able to dictate the terms. Then it

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Speaker 1: becomes a straight up game for the defense. And I

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Speaker 1: don't know if the Cowboys are built to play a

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Speaker 1: straight up game on def and steal. All Right, we'll

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Speaker 1: appreciate you joining us, Buck, We'll be back tomorrow. We'll

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Speaker 1: have you talk a little bit about the Philadelphia defense

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Speaker 1: final segment on the Dallas defense. Let's start first with

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Speaker 1: Calvin Joseph. We mentioned him a little earlier in the show.

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Speaker 1: He's currently on ir My question first is where is

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Speaker 1: paused at the wrong time and open the door for you. Yeah,

639
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: I say, after this game, okay, But it also was

640
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: thinking in my head that's why I stopped. I was thinking.

641
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: I had a conversation on the field last before the game,

642
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: asked some questions about that rule because it's kind of

643
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: up in the air, and I guess to clarify, you

644
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: can start the twenty one day window whenever you want

645
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: to start it, whenever they can decide at any point,

646
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: like let's say the law is what six to eight weeks,

647
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: they can decide when to start that twenty one day window.

648
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: He can start coming back to practice, not off the

649
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: roster yet until they decide they want to, but he's

650
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: got twenty one days to do it. So they can

651
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: start the twenty one day window with Kelvin Joseph after

652
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: this game. Now he may only need one day to

653
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: come off the roster. He made it need a week.

654
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: He could come back after this after this game three,

655
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: they also have twenty one weeks two days to be

656
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: able to decide. Okay, now we're ready to bring it back,

657
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: So don't have to come back for six weeks. If

658
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: they didn't know, he didn't have to be he can't

659
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: come back. Yeah, but he has to be off for

660
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: three and it's it'll be three and then you know

661
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys in that that boat too. No,

662
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: there's there's four or five guys that they could theoretically

663
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: get back after this game. Um, Josh Ball, Kelvin Joseph.

664
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: I know Sean mckun theoretically, yes, but I just I

665
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: don't think he'll be ready. Yeah, you know, I saw

666
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: Gallimore though, you know, working out and running and doing

667
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: some things, and you know it doesn't have any brace

668
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: on the elbow or anything like that. Right now, this is

669
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: is kind of conditioning with him the guy to get

670
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: that strength. I mean that's what's defense. I mean, you

671
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: got to have it. You've got to have that push yet.

672
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: But Ball and mcun specifically, I mean those were sprained

673
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: ankles that happened in mid August, So yeah, those feel

674
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: like guys that could be back sooner rather than later.

675
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: That and Kelvin is a groin right yeah, and again

676
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: not to go down that road, but that is a

677
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: position where that I mean there's a lot of running

678
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: in a lot of long strides, So I wonder what

679
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: his so readiness level is going to be when he's

680
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: back health wise. I think the decision the Cowboys are

681
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: gonna have to make is what do we want to

682
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: do with him? And I mean when do we want

683
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: to start putting him in the lineup? And I think

684
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: they've learned from Treyvon Diggs. I mean, he had to

685
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: put him out there, and they've benefited from it now

686
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 1: and they're benefited. They've benefited from having Terrence Steele go

687
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: out there and play. So at some point they're gonna

688
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: have to decide, hey, let's let's get this guy some

689
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 1: some work. Anthony Brown's not letting the you know, setting

690
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: the world on fire over there. He's not I mean

691
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: he's it's it's not been great, but I don't think

692
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: it's as bad as people think. You know, he's given

693
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: up some plays, he's been Elvin Joseph's gonna give up

694
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: plays too. We probably thought he should have been like

695
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: he is an average cornerback. Like he's not great, he's

696
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 1: not horrible. I just think he's averaging. I think people

697
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: expecting every time he makes something, something doesn't go well

698
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: for him. People are like, oh, but I'm like, that's

699
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 1: who he is. I mean, there's always every team has

700
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: a weak link. The Buccaneers fan base hated somebody on

701
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: that team too, So I get it, and I'll say that,

702
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 1: like we defend Anthony brown a because we know what

703
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: they want to do. I mean, Kelvin Joseph might take

704
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: his job eventually, but he's not ready right now. He's

705
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: not even on the roster and he hasn't practiced in

706
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,919
Speaker 1: a month. Like what are we doing here? So that's

707
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: number one. Number two is you know how hard that

708
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: position is. Having said that, I had a way easier

709
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: time making peace with his performance against Tampa than I mean,

710
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 1: the mistackle against Mike Williams is gross. That's not even

711
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: coverage come up and make the tackle. I mean, that's

712
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: that sucked, But I still think it you're making do

713
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: with the best of a subpar situation. And I think

714
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: we've said this one hundred times, but the hope is

715
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: that Kelvin Joseph can start getting reps and mix it

716
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: in the lineup and play well enough to maybe not

717
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,959
Speaker 1: completely take his job, but at least have a role.

718
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: But he's just not ready, right. Do you think they'll

719
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 1: mix him in because that corner is a spot where, yeah,

720
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: you could kind of mix and rotate guys a little bit.

721
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: You think that when he's healthy and comfortable. Absolutely, yeah,

722
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: they need him to get reps. Anthony Brown's not playing

723
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 1: that great, and I mean you draft guys in the

724
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: top fifty for a reason. Yeah, yeah, I get him

725
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: out there. And now the question that I know other

726
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: people have asked is why not you know, Murray's Kennedy

727
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: a guy that they heard about a training camp, they

728
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 1: heard him making some plays. You know, I think he

729
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: kind of tailed off a little bit. I mean, you know,

730
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: just the you know, the the shine on the star

731
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,439
Speaker 1: just kind of faded a little bit. I'm not saying

732
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,720
Speaker 1: that he's played poorly, but he's more of a special

733
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: teams guy. That's what they brought him into be. He

734
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,959
Speaker 1: doesn't agree with that. I mean, he thinks he's a player,

735
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: and he definitely has made some plays on defense. At

736
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: this point, I can't sit here and argue not to

737
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: put a guy like that in and he and they

738
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: played him a little bit outside of camp, but he

739
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 1: was predominantly in the slot. That's I mean, he got

740
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: all that playing time because Jordan was hurt, right, So

741
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: kind of a projection if they wanted to try it, Like,

742
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: I'm not I don't think it's the worst idea in

743
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: the world, But I'm also just not just gonna bang

744
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: the table, like why isn't this guy playing? Like I'm

745
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: looking at his Pro Football reference right now, he started

746
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: four career games, all right, Just just think about it

747
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: from your level of like, like you know, just comfort

748
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: level of going. All right, the playing of the Eagles

749
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,720
Speaker 1: who they got out there, like Jalen Rager, Javonte Smith

750
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: and Greg Ward. Greg Ward. Okay, so let's say that

751
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 1: Trayvon's got one of them over here, and then you know,

752
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,720
Speaker 1: you got Jalen Ragor on the other side against Anthony Brown,

753
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: against Nashan Right, you know, put him in. I was

754
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: gonna ask, what what's the issue with Nashan Right? Like

755
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: what's a third round pick? Like? Is he not a

756
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 1: guy that that should be getting a little bit of

757
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: opportunity here or is he just not? That's what I

758
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: was asking both of y'all. Heart how comfortable are you

759
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: with that? Who's Anthony Brown? I'm always at that level

760
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: of like five or six or it's just like you know,

761
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: it isn't about Nahan, right. I personally think if you're

762
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: going to work in, if you're gonna give an opportunity

763
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: need to work in Joseph. I don't see why you

764
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't give an opportunity to work in right. I mean again,

765
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 1: I don't think he's there yet, But you if the

766
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: if the overall idea here is based on what you

767
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 1: saw last year from Diggs, Sometimes throwing rookies in there

768
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 1: is a good thing. And by the way, you don't

769
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: have to throw him in there full time like you

770
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 1: did with Diggs. You can kind of work him in

771
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: and get him some opportunities. I think that's not a

772
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: bad idea to do the same thing with Right. I

773
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: feel like I on one hand, I feel like right

774
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 1: could be like an eight or a less than zero.

775
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 1: And seriously, no, like you see all this encouraging stuff

776
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: at training camp. He's long. It's hard to get a

777
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: completion on him because he can get these big arms

778
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 1: up in the air. But then at the same time,

779
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,959
Speaker 1: I mean, think about DeVante Smith's game, like what he does,

780
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: and then you got this six four long stride er dude.

781
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: The big like, the big problem with those guys is

782
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: changing directions. Guy like that could just put him in

783
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: a blender, just absolutely leave him in the dust because

784
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 1: he's not trying to beat him long. He can go this,

785
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 1: that and the other way and put six yards of separation.

786
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: But if you're worried about that, then was it a

787
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: bad pick? Because that means he's never gonna be able

788
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 1: to do that. And by the way, there are tons

789
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: of NFL receivers that all like that. I think that's

790
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: always going to be a problem for him. Doesn't mean

791
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: he can't overcome it, but I don't. I don't know.

792
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: I mean, and it's a weird thing too, because for

793
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: better or for worse, I personally am always going to

794
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: associate where he was drafted with what everybody but the

795
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: Cowboys thought about it, you know what I mean? And

796
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: right now I leaned toward thinking they were more right

797
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 1: than everybody else was because he looked the part like

798
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: he did. He looked like he belonged. But at the

799
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: same time, just like, are you ready to get out

800
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: there with no until you can put him out there? Right? Yeah?

801
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: And that's where I'm like, just put him out there.

802
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: Let's just see. I think it's to be. And just

803
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 1: I put both those guys in the same category, both

804
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: right and uh and Kelvin Joseph. I think both of

805
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: them are guys and I saw little bit I saw

806
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 1: flashes in camp, which makes me eager to see what

807
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 1: can they be if they get more opportunity. I think

808
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: I've brought this up before and I think about it

809
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: all the time when this comes up, and it's it's

810
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: just the perfect encapsulation. And it's not to say these

811
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: guys can't get better. But leading into the Arizona preseason game,

812
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: everybody was like, Joseph, Joseph, Joseph, what why is this

813
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: bum Anthony Brown still out here? And the Cardinals just

814
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: picked on Joseph all the way down the field of

815
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: the very first possession of the game, and I mean,

816
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 1: that's going to happen regardless that happened to Digs. I

817
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 1: get it. But it's easy to say anything's better than this.

818
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: It's really easy to say that it doesn't. It's harder

819
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: for that to be true. So they got to get

820
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: out there at some point. But I don't know. I'm

821
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 1: I'm hesitant to say this sound like a typical Cowboys coach,

822
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,399
Speaker 1: like give me what I know, Like I feel better

823
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 1: with what I What I know is that Anthony Brown

824
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: is a little bit better than mediocre. He's capable of

825
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: good games and say what you will about him. He

826
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: knows how to be around the ball, like he's got

827
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: decent Now the problem is, well, next year, year after that,

828
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:07,720
Speaker 1: like you want to develop these guys. So that's always

829
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: the balance that that any coaching staff and scouting department

830
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,280
Speaker 1: is trying to figure out, right, I get it. It's

831
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 1: on how you know, how solid the coaching staff feels

832
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: like they're going to be here? You know, I mean,

833
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: you can sit here all day long and say, let's

834
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: develop these guys for the future. But if you don't

835
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: win right now, how what's your future look like? The

836
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: other thing too is And I mean I'm not I'm

837
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: not writing off Nashan, right, but Kelvin Joseph is the

838
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: guy like he was the one that they felt the

839
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,479
Speaker 1: best about. He was their backup plan when they didn't

840
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: get certain or horn whatever. And he's he hasn't practiced,

841
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:45,399
Speaker 1: he's he's not physically ready. And when that changes, now

842
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,760
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, all right, let's mix this guy in. Maybe

843
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: we can platoon the right cornerback or left? What side

844
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: is Brown usually left? Left corner? Yeah, left cornerback. Let's

845
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: platoon that. Let's do this, that and the other. But

846
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 1: right now, it's just an ideal circumstance, and I do

847
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: I feel I feel more comfortable with the middle of

848
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Speaker 1: the pack where's Waldoe cornerback than what you might get

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Speaker 1: part into is that if if Diggs, if you like

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Speaker 1: Diggs traveling with players, that means Anthony Brown's gonna travel.

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Speaker 1: And do you feel like Kelvin Joseph is ready for

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Speaker 1: that spart too? I mean, because he's traveling, so you know,

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Speaker 1: it's one thing to just kind of say this is

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Speaker 1: over here. I mean, I think Anthony Brown is probably

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Speaker 1: better suited for that to kind of travel around and

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Speaker 1: change on the fly, because that's what they're doing with Diggs. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The interesting thing is over the next few games. Uh,

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Speaker 1: And I think Bucky touched on it there. I don't

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Speaker 1: know that you have a particular guy that you look

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Speaker 1: at that is, oh, this is the guy we gotta

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Speaker 1: put Digs on. So maybe they do a lot less

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Speaker 1: traveling over these next three four games, which would create

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Speaker 1: the opportunity maybe, like you said, well, you don't have

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Speaker 1: to put him in there and make him move around.

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Speaker 1: You just kind of put him in there, say you

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Speaker 1: to stay right here, you play right here. Let's see

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Speaker 1: how they go right famous last words, But this is

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Speaker 1: a run of offenses that probably don't scare you as

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Speaker 1: much as Tampa or LA, So maybe maybe that gives

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Speaker 1: you an opportunity to experiment. But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: this is the NFL. I mean, this isn't like, oh,

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Speaker 1: we're playing playing West Texas A and M this week.

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Speaker 1: Let's get the young guys some time. No, anybody on

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Speaker 1: any of these teams can embarrass you if you don't

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Speaker 1: put your best effort against them. So that's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, that's gonna be a rap for us today.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be back tomorrow. We'll talk about Cowboys offense

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Speaker 1: versus the Philadelphia defense while Bucky on we'll talk more

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Speaker 1: about that. We'll get you guys ready for this game.

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Speaker 1: Till then, for Nick even, Dave helm and I am

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Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. This has been The Break live on Dallas

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