1 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading 2 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:10,559 Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth Podcast. The we gotta get right back 3 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: to where we started from edition as I visit with 4 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 1: one of my favorite guests, radio and TV host and 5 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: NFL dot Com columnist Adam Shine. Then Bengals dot Com 6 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: editor Jeff Hobson joins me to discuss the biggest positives 7 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: coming out of training camp, as well as our biggest 8 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 1: concerns heading into the season opener against Pittsburgh. The Bengals 9 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: Booth Podcast is presented by Ultimate Bengals. Download Ultimate Bengals 10 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 1: ahead of the twenty twenty two season. 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Last weekend, I 17 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: traveled to Arkansas to call the UC Bearcat season opener, 18 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: and I figured it would be wise to get a 19 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: Friday night dinner recommendation from former razorback star Brandon Allen, 20 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: who not only played at Arkansas but grew up near campus. 21 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: The Bengals backup quarterback set me and my friends to Doze. 22 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: That's d Oe apostrophe S, a casual steakhouse with four 23 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: locations in Arkansas. I took our servers recommendation and ordered 24 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: the Ribi, and I'm here to tell you that it 25 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 1: was not only delicious, but it was gigantic. It would 26 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: have tipped over Fred Flintstone's car. As I told Brandon, 27 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: my arteries hate him, but it was an excellent recommendation 28 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: in one I am happy to pass along. If you 29 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: like a big, juicy steak when in Arkansas, go to Doze. 30 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: Now time to get to my first guest. He hosts 31 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: a nash No radio show, He hosts a nightly TV 32 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: show on CBS Sports Net. He has his own podcast. 33 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: He writes a column for NFL dot Com. He is 34 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: my guy, Adam Shy. Now, with that schedule, Adam, there's 35 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,239 Speaker 1: not a lot of free time, so I really appreciate 36 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: you doing this. Let's start with Joe Burrow. Your admiration 37 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: for the Bengals quarterback is well documented. I think you've 38 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: used the word obsessed before give us the national perspective. 39 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: What has Joe Burrow done for the Cincinnati Bengals. Well, 40 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: first and foremost, Dan, It's always great to be with you. 41 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: Love you, lovely, love your podcast, love listening to your 42 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 1: play by play calls of the Cincinnati Bengals, and listen. 43 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: I I'm obsessed with Joe Burrow. I love Joe Burrow, 44 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: and I think I think everyone nationwide knows Joe has it. 45 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I think it goes back to that year 46 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: at LSU where I'd make the case and now as 47 00:02:55,560 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 1: years later, non subject to exaggeration or hyperbley, great offensive 48 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 1: season ever in the history of college football, and that 49 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 1: starts with Joe Burrows. Then he goes to Cincinnati ads 50 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: needed talent, swagger, attitude at the quarterback position. Look, the 51 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,399 Speaker 1: Bengals caught a lot of people off guard last year. 52 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: I thought they'd be great. I did not think they 53 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 1: would be Super Bowl great. I thought the offense would 54 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: be excellent. I was all in on Burrow. But what 55 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 1: really impressed me, I think what really translated with a 56 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: lot of people nationwide. Joe Burrow wouldn't use Cinderella, He 57 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: wouldn't use this as some kind of little engine that 58 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: could story, or you know, the plucky upstart Bengals. It's no, 59 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: we expect to win these games. We expect to be here, 60 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: we expect to beat Baltimore, we expect to beat Kansas City, 61 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: we expect to win the super Bowl. And he was 62 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: pissed off when the Bengals didn't win the Super Bowl. 63 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: I thought it all just fit the genius on and 64 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: off the field of what Joe Burrow is all about. 65 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: You have had some big name quarterbacks on your podcast 66 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: in recent weeks, Josh Allen from the Bills, Aaron Rodgers 67 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: from the Packers. I'm sure you would love to have 68 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow on the Adam Shine Podcast if you were 69 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: able to book him. What are some things you would 70 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: like to know from Joe Burrow? Well, first of all, 71 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 1: I would love to have Joe Burrow on the podcast 72 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: just I want to know what makes him tick because 73 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 1: we talk about how there's no element of surprise or 74 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: Cinderella story. I mean, his story is pretty amazing considering 75 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,799 Speaker 1: his path and his ride in college. I mean, even 76 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: before that year at Elis You we weren't talking about 77 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: him necessarily as being that number one overall pick. I 78 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 1: mean going back to the Ohio State days and then 79 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: the transfer, so you know where he got that amazing 80 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: confidence from and at what point he developed into this 81 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 1: great quarterback but natural leader. And I'm just obsessed with 82 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: his work ethic. I'm obsessed with his accountability. I'm obsessed. 83 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: You know, he's one of those quarterbacks. He always knows 84 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,799 Speaker 1: from a young age, never point the finger, always point 85 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: the thumb. Whether that's right, wrong, or indifferent, it's on him. 86 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: You know. If something good happens or something positive from Bengals, 87 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: credit the teammates, something that doesn't go our way, that's 88 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: on me. That's my responsibility. So I would love to 89 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: talk to him about his work ethic, his leadership, his 90 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: mentality and his swagger. Dan. It's I'm kind of when 91 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: I say obsessed, I mean he's one of those cock 92 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: shore quarterbacks. It's like right out of Central Casting. I'm 93 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: gonna kick bought, take names, tell you I'm gonna do it, 94 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: and have fun in the process. I just love watch him. 95 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: By the way, if you want to help me get 96 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: him on the Adam Schian podcast, I'd love that too. 97 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,359 Speaker 1: I'd love to talk to Joe Burrow right after he 98 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 1: does the Bengals Booth podcast. I'd be happy to try 99 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: to help. Adam Shine is our guest. It's no secret 100 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 1: that Joe got sacked too many times last year seventy 101 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,679 Speaker 1: times if you include the postseason. The Bengals did something 102 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: about it. They went out and signed three established veteran 103 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 1: free agents. With that in mind, Adam, do you think 104 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: the Bengals have changed the narrative that's been out there 105 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 1: forever that they won't participate in free agency. I think 106 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: they completely change it, and I think they had to 107 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: change it, and I think they had to change it 108 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: because you know, it was real, it was legit, it 109 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,840 Speaker 1: was a fair criticism. And I think with Joe Burrow 110 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 1: there's now accountability and there's now a standard, and it 111 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,239 Speaker 1: goes back to that hole that was not Cinderella quote 112 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: shit that I talked about earlier. Okay, so what do 113 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 1: great organizations do? See a problem, fix a problem, have 114 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback, surround him with what he needs to win. Okay, 115 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: you want Jamar Chase And by the way, that was 116 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: the right pick, the only pick. We talked about that 117 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: on your podcast last year. Griggs, you want te Higgins 118 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 1: greats Joe Mixon, who was there before a top five 119 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 1: running back in my opinion in the National Football League. 120 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: All right, pass protection is not what it's supposed to 121 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: be passed on some offensive tackles. Right, move to draft Chase. Now, 122 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: let's go out and be active in free agency. Let's 123 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: spend the money not haphazardly, wisely, and I think it 124 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: got everybody's attention. I mean, you know, a lot of 125 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: Collins could have picked a lot of different places to go. 126 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: I mean people were flocking to Cincinnati to be part 127 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: of this, to be part of Joe Burrow's offensive line, 128 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: to be one of his body protectors. Because a free agency, 129 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: let's not kid ourselves, right, money is at the top, 130 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: but you want an opportunity to win. So the Bengals 131 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: had to join the party. And I just thought they 132 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: did so brilliantly. Dan in the off season, you ran 133 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: down the skill position talent Chase Higgins, Mixon. We can 134 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:56,119 Speaker 1: throw Tyler Boyd in there as well. Let's talk about 135 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: the defense, because the defense really was the key to 136 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: the three playoff victory that led to the appearance in 137 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Do people sleep on the Cincinnati Bengals defense? 138 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: Without question, they do I think everybody's guilty of it 139 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: because the offense is so great and so dynamic. But 140 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: you know, I don't think you're exaggerating at all. I 141 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: mean that defense was so tough, so clutch. You know, 142 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: you look at the Raider game, you look at the 143 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: Tennessee game, you look at the Kansas City game. You 144 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: know that, to me is the ultimate defense for the 145 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: juggernaut offense and the fantastic quarterback. You need a playmaking defense. 146 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: Look at the Kansas City defense when the Chiefs who 147 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,559 Speaker 1: were winning a Super Bowl. Look at the Rams defense. 148 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 1: You don't have to be in Cincinnati, in my opinion, 149 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 1: a top ten defense. You have to be tough, you 150 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: have to be clutch. You have to get the opportunistic 151 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: interception and quarterback sack, get the ball back to Joe. 152 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: That that's what it's all about. The front seven I 153 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: thought was excellent. The dbs made plays. You're right, I 154 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: think we're all guilty of it. I'm guilty of it. 155 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: This defense is really under the radar, and it's not 156 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: a fluke. It's not a flash in the pan. I 157 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:14,319 Speaker 1: thought the team drafted well on defense, and I think 158 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: the Bengals will be back in the Super Bowl conversation. So, 159 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: prior to last year, the Bengals were six twenty five 160 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,839 Speaker 1: and one the previous two seasons. You did say prior 161 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: to last year that you thought they were going to 162 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: be good. I will give you credit for that. Had 163 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: they pulled off the Super Bowl title and they had 164 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: to lead with less than two minutes to go, would 165 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: you have considered it one of the great underdog championship 166 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: stories of all time? Yes, absolutely, And I think that 167 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of things tie in first to 168 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: your point the record, right, because I could like a 169 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: team where you could like a team. But you know, 170 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: as Bill Parcels once said, you are which record says 171 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: it is at the end of the day. So you 172 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 1: know a lot of people wanted to see it before 173 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: they believed it with the Cincinnati Bank, so I think 174 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: that that's fair. And you know I also think too. 175 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I picked Cincinnati to beat Tennessee that and 176 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: people kept calling my radio show on Sirius XM. They 177 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,959 Speaker 1: thought I was crazy, Like they thought that was an 178 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: assinine pick Cincinnati over Tenniseate. Now Albeita came down to 179 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: the final play, great game. You know, I think people 180 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: kept going against and betting against and just not believing 181 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: in the Bengals because of Bengal history and that that 182 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: wasn't fair. So I think that history is a part 183 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: of that. And you know, the division historically tough, the 184 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: conference historically tough. So yeah, I think I think that 185 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: would have been considered one of the greats from the 186 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 1: beginning to the end single season super Bowl rides if 187 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: the Bengals won in NFL history. So the Bengals open 188 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: at home, they get the Pittsburgh Steelers at pay Course Stadium. 189 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: Where do you think of that Week one matchup? I 190 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: think it's great. You know, I had Mike North, the 191 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,839 Speaker 1: VP of Programming and scheduling, on my Serious XM radio 192 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: show and Dan. He made the point to me Week 193 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: one schedule was done with a purpose where he wanted 194 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: to put big games, rivalry games week one, get the 195 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: juices flowing for the NFL season, And to me, this 196 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: is one of them Steelers Bengals, I mean Cincinnati. That 197 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: scene is gonna be unbelievable and it's a rare year 198 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: based upon history where you clearly feel better about the 199 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: Bengals compare contrast to Pittsburgh, and I think Joe Burrow's 200 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: gonna come out on fire. I think that Joe Mixon's 201 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: gonna have an excellent game. I think Jamar Chase is 202 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: absolutely special. And I think that Bengals defense going up 203 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 1: against a newbie at quarterback for the Pittsburgh Stealers, either 204 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:58,319 Speaker 1: they're gonna thrive, feel the energy, and I think Cincinnati 205 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: will absolutely take care of business in Week number one. 206 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: Adam Shine is our guest. Let's get you on the 207 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:05,959 Speaker 1: record for this season. Where do you see the Bengals 208 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: in the AFC North and in the AFC in general. 209 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: So I've put a lot of thought into this. First 210 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 1: of all, I think the AFC this year is the 211 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: strongest conference in the history of the NFL. Seriously, in 212 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: terms of quarterback play, in terms of overall talent. You 213 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 1: look at all the players that you know got traded 214 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: or free agents that moved from the NFC to the AFC, 215 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: the great quarterback talent in in the conference, players returning 216 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: from injury. I don't think that that is crazy talk 217 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 1: before the season starts. So I've Cincinnati winning the division 218 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: and I don't even remotely hesitate, And I think the 219 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: North is going to be strong. I think by every 220 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 1: single team's own metric. All four teams in the division 221 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 1: are better than what they were last year. I think 222 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 1: the Bengals are better. Another year for Joe, the offensive line, 223 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: that defense, everything Dan we just talked about. I think 224 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 1: this Dealers are better. I think Trubisky picked. I think, 225 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: no matter what happens, that's an upgrade over the version 226 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: of Ben Roethlisberger we saw in the field last year. 227 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: I love George Pickens, can't believe he lasted to the 228 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:23,319 Speaker 1: second round. Miles Jack excellent talent. Cleveland not to the 229 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: level they wanted, but they're better even with six games 230 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: of Deshaun Watson down the stretch of the season. I 231 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: don't think Cleveland's a playoff team, don't misinterpret, but I 232 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: think they're better. The Ravens are better. Lamar's healthy, Dobbins 233 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: is healthy, Stanley's healthy, and Baltimore, to me, is kind 234 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: of a bit of a factory in terms of, you know, 235 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: excellent owner, excellent gam excellent coach. Baltimore is always going 236 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: to be in the mix. So I have them winning 237 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: the division. The Bengals because I think an amazing talent 238 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 1: at quarterback, great coach, great organization. Bengals are ready to rock. 239 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 1: I think the Bengals I have them super Bowls the 240 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 1: upside as the third best team in the AFC go 241 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: into the season. Now, if I'm a Bengals fan listening, 242 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:11,479 Speaker 1: and I'm Bengals fans are listening to this on your podcast, 243 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: I think, I hope you can appreciate where I'm coming 244 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: from without being offended. I think the Bills are the 245 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: most talented team in the AFC. Now the second one 246 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: to me, team number two on the AFC list might 247 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:28,119 Speaker 1: be offensive, and that's the Chargers. I think the Chargers 248 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: had the best offseason of any team in the league, 249 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: calculated with J C. Jackson and Khalil Mack and Joseph 250 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: Day to stop the run, resigning Mike Williams, drafting a 251 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: needed offensive lineman, and I love Herbert. I think Herbert 252 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: is fantastic. So I think the Bengals are the winner 253 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: of the AFC North. I think of the third best 254 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: team in the AFC, and I think they're upside is 255 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: to go to the Super Bowl and win it. But 256 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: that's where I will pick them for this upcoming season. 257 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: I can't imagine any Bengals fan will be too offended 258 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: by that. Last thing for Adam Shine. You do a 259 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: column every year for NFL dot com where you make 260 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: nine bold predictions. Now this was filed in June, but 261 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: I have to ask you about one of those predictions. 262 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: You've got the Patriots as the third worst team in 263 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: the AFC, Bill Belichick third worst team in the AFC. 264 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: Do you still feel that way? You know, it's interesting. 265 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: I'm glad that you brought this up because it's funny. 266 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: You're you know, we're all creating content, right and my 267 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: editors asked me to do that fronto call dot Com. 268 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: I didn't even hesitate, and that's stamped when I did 269 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: it in June. You know, oftentimes we're all suckers for 270 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: training camp at preseason football. You know, I call it 271 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: dan a little bit of Joey Harrington disease, where you 272 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: see someone like Joey Harrington and go fifteen to sixteen 273 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: and oh, Joey's gonna be great. Now that's you know, 274 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: all slowdown. It's not gonna be that good or in 275 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: the league at all when it's all said and done, 276 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: paid Stots August has been a train wreck. So I 277 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: not only believed it, then I feel even better about it. Now, 278 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: and I mean, you help me with the numbers here. 279 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: I think all four teams in the Bengals Division are 280 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: better than the Patriots. I think all four teams in 281 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: the AFC West are better than the Patriots. I think 282 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: bare bones minimum two teams in the South are better 283 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: than the Patriots. I think the Bills are better than 284 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: the Patriots. I think Dolphins are better than the Patriots. 285 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: And really I like the players more in Jacksonville than 286 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: I do in New England. I mean, I don't know 287 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: what Bills do. And again, I think he's the greatest 288 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: coach in the history of sports, not just football. I 289 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: think the Patriots dynasty will never be duplicated. But I 290 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: don't know what he's doing with the offensive coordinator. I 291 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: don't like talent on offense. I don't like the talent 292 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: on defense. If they win eight games, i'll solely be 293 00:16:55,760 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: because of Bill Belichick. I do not like the dress 294 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: this year at all. I like the bold prediction, and 295 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:07,959 Speaker 1: I love the term Joey Harrington disease. I don't know 296 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: how you fit everything you do into your schedule, but 297 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: I love everything that you do and I really appreciate 298 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 1: your time. Thanks so much. Adam for joining us. Damn, 299 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 1: You're the best. I have an unbelievable season, my friend. 300 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 1: You can hear Adams radio show Shine on Sports every 301 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 1: weekday from nine to noon on Sirius XM. His TV 302 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: show Time to Shine Here's weeknights at six pm on 303 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: CBS Sports Network. The Bengals Booth podcast is presented by 304 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: Ultimate Bengals, the free to play fantasy football game. This 305 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: past season, Ultimate Bengals awarded a weekly winner during the 306 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: course of the year, with tickets, autograph merchandise, and money 307 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 1: can't buy experiences all up for grabs. Find Ultimate Bengals 308 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: in the App Store and Google Play. Now that it's 309 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: opening week, it's time for some final thoughts on training 310 00:17:55,880 --> 00:18:01,120 Speaker 1: cap who stood out, what concerns remain, and did Zach 311 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: Taylor do the right thing by not playing his starters 312 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: in the preseason. I discussed those questions and more with 313 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 1: Bengals dot Com editor Jeff Butch Hobson. What's It's opening week. 314 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: We're getting ready to kick off the season against the 315 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers on Sunday at pay Corps Stadium, but we're 316 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 1: going to take some time today to review what took 317 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: place during training camp on a regular basis, you give 318 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 1: out the player of the day. So in a similar 319 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: vein who is your training camp MVP? I don't know 320 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: if he ever wanted the coveted player of the day. 321 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with two of them. Actually, I'm gonna 322 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: go with co Evan McPherson, who you know hardly ever 323 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: missed and which is self explanatory. And then I think 324 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: Von Bell. I think Vaughn did get it once, but 325 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: I think the reason he's the MVP is I think 326 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: how much he helped Dax Hill. You know, Jesse Bates 327 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:02,679 Speaker 1: did not show up really until after training camp, and 328 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:07,120 Speaker 1: so Dax Hill played his spot. And you know, he's 329 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: a rookie. I guess he made some rookie mistakes, I guess, 330 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: but it show didn't look blatant, you know, And I think, yes, 331 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: I think Dax Shill is a smart guy. He showed 332 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 1: all the things why they made him the first round pick. 333 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,919 Speaker 1: But I think Havin Vaughan Bell next to him, no doubt, 334 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 1: helped to help to make it that much easier. So 335 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: Bell for what he did off the field, and Mac 336 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,919 Speaker 1: for what he did on the field. Oddly enough, I 337 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 1: wrote down two guys as well, and Evan McPherson is 338 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: one of mine. You had the sixty five yard field 339 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: goal and Welcome Back Saturday, you had the fifty six 340 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: and fifty eight yarders in the first preseason game. I 341 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: think it just underscored how valuable he has become this 342 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 1: quickly in his NFL career. He had the five walkoff 343 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: game winners last year, and then if you look back 344 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: at those playoff games, if he had missed one of 345 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: those kicks leading up to the Super Bowl, that might 346 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 1: have doomed them. But for four against the Raiders, four 347 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: for four against the Titans, including the fifty two yarder 348 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: to win the game, four for four against the Chiefs, 349 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: including a fifty two yard or in the fourth quarter 350 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,640 Speaker 1: that helped them get to overtime. And then he picked 351 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: up where he left off in training camp. So I'm 352 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: with you on Evan McPherson. The other one for me 353 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 1: would be Trey Hendrickson. I thought on a daily basis, 354 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 1: he was the most dominant player during training camp. He 355 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 1: had thirteen and a half sacks a couple of years ago, 356 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: fourteen sacks last year, so he went up by a 357 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: half a sack. I'm going to predict he goes up 358 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: by a half a sack again, fourteen and a half 359 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: sacks is my prediction for this season. And you know, 360 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: when they practiced against the Rams, we got to see 361 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: Andrew Wittworth's replacement, Joseph Noteboom, a guy that's kind of 362 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 1: been waiting in the wings for the Rams, and they 363 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 1: trusted him enough to give him a forty million dollar 364 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: contract going into this year. They might want their money 365 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: back after seeing what Trey Hendrickson was doing to him 366 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: in those two joint practices. So I thought he was great. 367 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: His contracts certainly looks like a bargain these days, a 368 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 1: year two of a four year, sixty million dollars deal. 369 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: People scoffed thought it was a bad deal when the 370 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 1: Bengals handed it out, and now it seems like one 371 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: of the better bargains in the NFL. So each of 372 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,360 Speaker 1: us choosing Evan McPherson plus a member of the Bengals 373 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 1: defense as our training camp MVPs. Let's move to topic 374 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: number two. What did you consider to be the biggest 375 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,679 Speaker 1: positives coming out of training camp? Oh? I think the 376 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: fact that nobody get hurt. I think was a big thing. 377 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: And I know we'll probably talk about that later. I 378 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: guess it's a bit of a gamble with not playing 379 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 1: anybody during the season. But I think Zach has taken 380 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: the nod. I think he's taken the key from the quarterback. 381 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: And a quarterback has played all of Joe Burrow specifically, 382 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: has played all of three preseason snaps in his career. 383 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: It doesn't seem to have hurt him. So given that, 384 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 1: you know the appendi sitis, probably when that happened, they 385 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 1: probably said, well, he definitely won't play in the preseason. 386 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: I'm not sure he was gonna play anyway, you know. 387 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: And so to me, that's the big thing is everybody's pretty. 388 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 1: You know, he gets him to the gate, and I 389 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 1: think in this league, if you get him to the gate, 390 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 1: you get a shot. And then you know, I think 391 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,479 Speaker 1: the other positive two is and I think we hit 392 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: on it. I picked Bell, you picked Hendrickson. But the 393 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: theme's the same. This defense is back. They don't miss anybody. 394 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: They're a year older there, they've been in a year 395 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: in the system with lou Anna Rumo. So I think 396 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 1: it's and they and they and they look ready to go. 397 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I thought they didn't miss a beat. I 398 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: thought they looked good against the Rams, although I have 399 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: to be honest with you, Hordy, I didn't see much 400 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: of that because I was watching Burrow. I said to 401 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: Jay Gruden. I said Jake Gruden, the former Bengals offensive 402 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: coordinator now consultant for the Rams. I said, Jay, I've 403 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,640 Speaker 1: never been able to figure out how to cover one 404 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 1: of these uh joint practices. You know, you can't watch 405 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: both he goes, he goes. I fire you, I'd go 406 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 1: when number nine is so I took. I took that 407 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: advice and I followed number nine, which was good because 408 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: I had a bird's eye view for the for the 409 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: extra curriculus. But defensively, when I whenever I did turn around, 410 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 1: you know they looked like they did against the Bengals offense. 411 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 1: You know they look I just think the defense. I 412 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: think nobody said anything about the defense. It's all Burrow, 413 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 1: it's all Chase, it's all Higgins and Boyd and rightfully so. 414 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,439 Speaker 1: But two things I can't wait to see her the 415 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 1: two best secrets of training camp in my opinion, the 416 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:45,640 Speaker 1: defense and Joe Mixon. For the record, Matthew Stafford also 417 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 1: wears number nine. Sorry, Are you sure that Jay Gruden 418 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 1: wasn't talking about the Rams quarterback since he's now a 419 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: consultant with the Rams, But no, I'm sure he was 420 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 1: referring to Joe Burrow. And I agree with you on 421 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: the big positive, particularly where the defense has can learned. 422 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,719 Speaker 1: To me, that was the most impressive thing overall at 423 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: training camp. It looked like the defense picked up right 424 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: where it left off, and the defense was the key 425 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 1: to the postseason run last year. And I think you've 426 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: got some guys that are emerging that are going to 427 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 1: help make that defense even better. Dax Hill is going 428 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: to be a nice versatile piece for lou Anna Rumo. 429 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 1: And I'm really interested to see what a Keem Davis 430 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: Gaither is going to do this year because while Logan 431 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: Wilson was not practicing eleven out eleven for two thirds 432 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 1: of training camp, Keem Davis Gaither looked really good. So 433 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: he's going to be used in a lot of situations 434 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 1: by lou Anna Rumo. We know he's good in the 435 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 1: passing game. I think they might be able to get 436 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: more use out of him in early down So with 437 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: those two editions and the guys they've got coming back. 438 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: I think the defense is something to be very excited 439 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:54,640 Speaker 1: about for Bengals fans. Let's move to topic number three, 440 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: and this is the flip side of what we were 441 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:01,239 Speaker 1: just talking about. What's your biggest concern into Week one? Oh, 442 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 1: I'm the classic front runner here. My biggest concern is 443 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: they didn't play anybody in the in the preseason, So 444 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 1: that's a that's a classic front runner for you. But 445 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 1: you know, I guess if that's one thing, you know, 446 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:14,959 Speaker 1: that maybe what we're you know, how long we'll take 447 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: him to get into sinking the opener? You know, will 448 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 1: you know, will will they come out sluggish? Will they 449 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: you know, will they not come out of the gate quickly? 450 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: And will they have to knock off Rustum? And how 451 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: long we'll take him a knockoff rust? But I think 452 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 1: I'd rather be healthy. I think I'd rather be healthy. 453 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: And if it takes you know, if it takes a 454 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: quarter and a half, you know, to get into it, 455 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: then then I think over a seventeen a seventeen game, 456 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 1: eighteen wink eighteen wink week Valley Forge swag that the 457 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,880 Speaker 1: NFL has become, then I think I'll take the first 458 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: you know, the first you know, two quarters getting into it, 459 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,880 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I think I think that's worth 460 00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 1: I think that's worth the uh the risk. And I 461 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: think the way they play the game now, you know, 462 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,719 Speaker 1: I just think it's I think they I think they 463 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 1: got enough work in. You know, the way the game 464 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 1: is played now. Uh, they you know, they get about 465 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: they gotta lock. You know, they get a lot of 466 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 1: work in. I think they got in more work against 467 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: the Rams, which was pretty close to live. It was 468 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: live for everything but tackling. You know, they got in 469 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: to play as much work as they would have if 470 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 1: they did the preseason before, when they played about fifteen 471 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: preseason snaps. So you know, maybe that's you know, I 472 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 1: think they probably have done just as much work. It's 473 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 1: in a different it's in a different fashion. So maybe, 474 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: like like any fan, I'm worried about nothing. My biggest 475 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 1: concern is the offensive line. I think it's going to 476 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: be better. I liked what they did in the offseason. 477 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: I liked the new pieces on the offensive line, but 478 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: we still haven't seen it. When they take their first 479 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: stat snap against the Steelers, it will be their first 480 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: snap together in a game. I don't know if three 481 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: weeks basically working together is enough to develop that chemistry 482 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 1: and timing and communication that an offensive line needs to 483 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 1: be good. Dave Lapham seems to think that's enough time. 484 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: Frank Pollock seems to think that's enough time. I hope 485 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: it's enough time, But I guess until I see it, 486 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,479 Speaker 1: I'm going to remain a little bit concerned about it. 487 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: Plus l Collins, you know the amount of time he missed, 488 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: how much rust is there going to be there to 489 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: begin the season? He looked pretty good in the first 490 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 1: joint practice against the Rams. Not so good the next day. 491 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: Maybe he was just, you know, exhausted because he had 492 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: not taken part in eleven on eleven football prior to that. 493 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 1: Will Cordell Wolson be able to pick up the type 494 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 1: of stuff that the Pittsburgh Steelers are going to show 495 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: him in Week one and the Ravens are going to 496 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: show him when they get to the Baltimore game. So again, 497 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,919 Speaker 1: I think it should be better. I think it should 498 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,239 Speaker 1: be at least league average, But until I see it, 499 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 1: there's going to be a little bit of concern there 500 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 1: for me. The other thing I would say that is 501 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,719 Speaker 1: shaping up as a current concern would just be cornerback depth. 502 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: Should it be a Wouge looks great, looks healthy, That's fine. 503 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,160 Speaker 1: Mike Kilton, same thing, looks great, looks healthy. After that, 504 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,400 Speaker 1: you've got some question marks. Elie Apple had a good 505 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: training camp but then had fluid drained from his thigh 506 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: at the end of camp. We'll see how that looks 507 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 1: going into the season. Opener Cam Taylor Britt's going to 508 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: be out for a while. After you get by the starters. 509 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: You've got Trey Flowers, who is pretty good in a 510 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,400 Speaker 1: situational role, but how good would he be as your 511 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 1: starting corner if he had to go in there. Jalen 512 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: Davis has been good in preseason games over the past 513 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: couple of years, but if you had to rely on 514 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 1: him in the slot taking Mike Hilton's place, how good 515 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: would he be? Alan George good for him, I mean, 516 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 1: I think it's great that he's made this team as 517 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: an undrafted free agent out of Vanderbilt, But how confident 518 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: would you be if he had to be in there 519 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: for meaningful snaps? So I guess those are the two 520 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: things that stand out to me as the biggest concerns 521 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: that I have. Will the offensive line be as good 522 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: as we hoped it would be when they made those additions, 523 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: and uh, well they have enough enough depth at the 524 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: beginning of the season at the cornerback position. Yeah, I mean, 525 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: I would just say a court nobody has any depth 526 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: of cornerback right what you what you just ran through 527 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: is I would have bet what thirty one other teams 528 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: are going through right now. Certainly the Rams are ye 529 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: after looking at what they had after the you know, 530 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: the the you know, the third and fourth corner. I mean, 531 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 1: that's how you make it live in this league. How 532 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: many times have we had Chase or Boyd or he 533 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: could scorn a touchdown and you look down at you 534 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: you look down at your flip card to see who 535 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,719 Speaker 1: they beat. You never heard of the guy, you know, 536 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: And that's uh, that's that's that's what happens, you know. So, um, 537 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: I don't you know, I think, uh, and I think 538 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: kind of just switched flop them back of the offensive line. 539 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: I understand the concern. But the thing that I think 540 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: maybe different and you know, yeah, and we won't know. 541 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: We won't know if three weeks is enough. We won't 542 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: know if LC will hold up these or questions that 543 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: you know, they can't be answered. But I like the 544 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: fact that you know, all three guys are veterans and 545 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 1: they know how to play. They know how to play 546 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: the game, you know, And I think, well, that's the 547 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: one thing I thought Elcu looked. I mean, there was 548 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: some ugly moments against Floyd, but heat, but but he 549 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: made you the quarterback didn't get you know, he didn't 550 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: make you know the quarterback. There were no there were 551 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: no free runners when they were out there, you know 552 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: what I mean. He knows how to keep the guy 553 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: away from the quarterback. I think all those Carass Kappa, 554 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,479 Speaker 1: you know, they haven't had experience up like that up 555 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 1: front in a while. So I'm I'm thinking that's going 556 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: to be the difference this trip. Which are there any 557 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 1: surprises on the fifty three man roster to begin the 558 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 1: season or in the position battles now that we're set 559 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,959 Speaker 1: for the start of the season. Yeah, yet not really. 560 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean maybe the numbers wise, I was 561 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: kind of surprised they went with six receivers and four 562 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: running backs. You know, I don't know if that's a 563 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: major Is that a major surprise? You know, that's not major. 564 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: It's a little tweak. Um you know, Alan George making it. Yeah, 565 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 1: that was gonna happen when Eli get thinged and Cam 566 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: Taylor Brentman down, so that that really wasn't a surprise. 567 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 1: I think probably maybe shelv in the fourth round or 568 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: not being able to stick, you know. I think, you know, 569 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: I think they thought the way he came back, I 570 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 1: think they were encouraged that he came back in shape. 571 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: But I think the Risks kind of bothered him, maybe 572 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: more than we thought. So I think they're hopefully he 573 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: can you know a little more seizing on the practice squad. 574 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: But I think other I think other than that, Wardy, 575 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: I'm I'm not surprised that Hubern Harris made it. I thought, 576 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: uh that, you know, with those gut with those two guys, 577 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 1: it was gonna have to be a knockout. You know, 578 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: it was gonna be a have to be a third round. 579 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 1: You knocked them down four times in the third round. 580 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: Just didn't happen. It was they were raised or you know, 581 00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: they were Clark Harris I thought, can still obviously get 582 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 1: down the field. And Huber Huber has you know, he 583 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 1: has knocked the ball inside the twenty against the Steelers, 584 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: So I think that that probably although his ke As 585 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: I was talking to Darren Simmons about this, he said, now, 586 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: I remember he said Kevin Huber hadn't done it either 587 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: when he got the job. But I think Kevin showed enough, 588 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: and I think Drew show I think Drew Christmas showed 589 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: enough talent that's worthy enough to develop, and Hubers showed 590 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 1: he's got, you know, enough left to bail out this 591 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: offense if they if they do need bailing out. To me, 592 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: Alan George from the guys that were in training camp 593 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: would be the biggest surprise to make the roster, But 594 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: I guess my biggest surprise overall was that they were 595 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: able to get three guys that look like they can help, 596 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 1: as Waiver claims, and I think that's the big surprise 597 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: to them as well, since they were thirty first in 598 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 1: the order after being the Super Bowl runner up last year. 599 00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 1: I don't think they dreamt it'd be possible to add 600 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: three guys that they like most, especially Max Sharping, because 601 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: this is a guy who's been a three year starter 602 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 1: in the NFL. Now, admittedly he doesn't have extraordinarily good 603 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: PF grades, he wouldn't have been available if that had 604 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 1: been the case, but I think if nothing else, he's 605 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: league average. Last year, he was ranked fifty six out 606 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 1: of ninety guards that had enough snaps by Pro Football Focus. 607 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,719 Speaker 1: And he's not coming in to start in Cincinnati. So 608 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: when you can get a guy like that, proven guy 609 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: that you liked when he was drafted, that has at 610 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: least been okay in the NFL to add to your 611 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 1: depth on the offensive line, I think that's a really 612 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 1: good addition right before the start of the season. Yeah, 613 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 1: I agree, that's I mean, basically, it was a supplemental draft. 614 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: I mean they had guys, you know I you know, 615 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 1: fairly high draft picks make it through. And I also 616 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 1: think I think the guy who's going to end up 617 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 1: helping them probably quicker than anybody, is probably the tight 618 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 1: end that they picked up from the patrons because they 619 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 1: need to help it ight end. Even before Wilcox get hurt, 620 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: I think that was a position of need that they 621 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: were focused on that they were going to try and 622 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 1: upgrade in the last week or two of the preseason. 623 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 1: And I think that that's I think you're right. I 624 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 1: think that's surprising that they could get a guy of 625 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,799 Speaker 1: U And I'm gonna have trouble pronouncing his name, but 626 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 1: of getting the tight end from USC, I believe is 627 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:28,839 Speaker 1: that No? From Yeah? From USC? Right? Um, yes, right? 628 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: And uh they you know, the guy's a block and 629 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 1: I think that's what they were looking for. I mean, 630 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: I know there was interesting O. J. Howard, I guess 631 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:40,360 Speaker 1: according to some reports, but I think Acasi probably fits 632 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,399 Speaker 1: them better because I think they're looking for the kind 633 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,799 Speaker 1: of the blocking and like James Casey said, we got 634 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,879 Speaker 1: to protect the quarterback. You know, we got to block 635 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,879 Speaker 1: the defensive end. And here's the other thing they don't use. 636 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 1: You know, they don't use three tight ends a lot. 637 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 1: They don't use two tight ends a lot. But you know, 638 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 1: I think that's so that's why I think this is 639 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: what they had in mind. And I think he'll be out. 640 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 1: He'll probably be I'm I would imagine he'd be active. 641 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 1: I would think, uh and uh so I think he's 642 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 1: a guy that could you know, I'm gonna get to 643 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 1: see you to see the first short. Yeah, the situation, 644 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 1: we'll see, yuh see how good of a blocker he is. 645 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,399 Speaker 1: All right, let's touch on a topic that you referred to, 646 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: and that is how Zach Taylor used his starters or 647 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 1: didn't use his starters in the preseason games. Was that 648 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,760 Speaker 1: the right decision. I'm all for it. I'm one hundred 649 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 1: percent for it, even if the tack buyers in the opener. 650 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,799 Speaker 1: I think, what did we do all camp? We spent 651 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 1: you know, we spent it looking at pull football talk 652 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,240 Speaker 1: to see what was the what was the latest biggest injury. 653 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,880 Speaker 1: You know, even the Steelers, the team they're gonna play, 654 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,840 Speaker 1: two of their guys getting knocked out. T J. Watt, 655 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,360 Speaker 1: their best defensive player, the player of the year, the 656 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 1: defensive player of the year, he got you know, he 657 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 1: he nicked his knee, and uh, you know, I'm not 658 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure he'll be fine. I you know, 659 00:35:58,280 --> 00:35:59,880 Speaker 1: I hope he's fine. I'm sure he's fine, he'll be 660 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 1: for the opener. But I mean, I just not sure 661 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:05,840 Speaker 1: you have to do that in this day and age, 662 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:07,920 Speaker 1: the way they play the game, you know. So I 663 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,799 Speaker 1: think it was also, you know, I think I was 664 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 1: talking to Dan Pitch about how much work bar got 665 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 1: against the Rams. Think, uh, if you throw in the 666 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,240 Speaker 1: seven on seven stop, you get up to about sixty snaps, 667 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,840 Speaker 1: you know, not granted that wasn't you know, guys weren't 668 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,279 Speaker 1: hitting him. But you know it was good. You know 669 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,879 Speaker 1: it was good. Uh it was good. Uh. I hate 670 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,800 Speaker 1: to say because this is what everybody says, good work, 671 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 1: but it was kind of but it was. I think 672 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 1: it was good work. I mean considering that what he 673 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 1: would have faced in a regular preseason game, you know, 674 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 1: with a thread of injury or something happening. So yeah, 675 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,440 Speaker 1: I'm I'm I think, you know, and I think this 676 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,280 Speaker 1: is the I think this is the way of the future. 677 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 1: I mean, guys like Sean McVey and Zach, the young 678 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,319 Speaker 1: head coaches, h they look at it, they see what 679 00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:00,880 Speaker 1: it is, and uh, I think they've adjusted accordingly. Here's 680 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 1: the answer to that question. Should Zach have rested the 681 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,839 Speaker 1: starters as much as he did? Tyrn Smith Cowboys left 682 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 1: tackle out indefinitely. David Bakhtiari Packers at left tackle. He's 683 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,720 Speaker 1: out for Week one in all likelihood. McKay Beckton, Jets 684 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,399 Speaker 1: offensive lineman, he's out for the season. You just can't 685 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,080 Speaker 1: afford in this day and age, to have your best 686 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:27,800 Speaker 1: players knocked out in preseason action, So you do whatever 687 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,839 Speaker 1: you can to try to keep those guys healthy. And 688 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 1: like you said, if it means you get off to 689 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,240 Speaker 1: a bit of a slow start. That's the calculated gamble 690 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,840 Speaker 1: that you're taking. But I think it's a smart gamble. 691 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,360 Speaker 1: And I do think along the lines of what you 692 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 1: were saying that those two joint practices against the Rams 693 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 1: probably gave them more legitimate preseason work than a handful 694 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,640 Speaker 1: of snaps at the beginning of a preseason game would 695 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 1: have given them. So that seems to be the formula 696 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 1: going forward. Always try to have a joint practice lined 697 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,000 Speaker 1: up against the team, make sure your starters get some 698 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 1: legitimate work with restrictions that make serious injuries less likely, 699 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 1: and that that's the best way to get get your 700 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,800 Speaker 1: team to Game one healthy. Yeah, the only thing I 701 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,319 Speaker 1: would do is I would make it. I would make 702 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,440 Speaker 1: it with two teams and only do it once a day. 703 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,880 Speaker 1: The second day seems to be a bit of a 704 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,360 Speaker 1: bit of a problem, So just sign up two teams 705 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,759 Speaker 1: won the second week in the training camp, and then 706 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,400 Speaker 1: the next one like they did with the Rams the 707 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,759 Speaker 1: third week in training camp, and let's go. And I guess, 708 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,520 Speaker 1: but you know, they still want to sell tickets to 709 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,479 Speaker 1: the games. So but that's always a good spot, good 710 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,719 Speaker 1: spot to get your the games is a great way 711 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 1: really to to find out what the bottom of the 712 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,720 Speaker 1: roster is going to look like. Really, I think they 713 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,839 Speaker 1: the way they planned it was really just about right. 714 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 1: And one of those joint practices and preseason games should 715 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,799 Speaker 1: be against the Colts like it used to be. Yeah, 716 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 1: the two teams are so close together. How they've gone 717 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,399 Speaker 1: a couple of years after the reduction of preseason games 718 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 1: from four to three without playing each other is a 719 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,439 Speaker 1: mystery to me. It makes too much sense not to do. Yeah, yeah, 720 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,840 Speaker 1: and uh bringing in the team from the West Coast 721 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:16,320 Speaker 1: and um, you know, and I don't know, is maybe 722 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,920 Speaker 1: matching up matching up two teams that just played in 723 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,040 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. That's kind of interesting, but that might 724 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 1: you know. Uh, I thought that was really interesting because 725 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,319 Speaker 1: that's I think there was that was good from the 726 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,759 Speaker 1: standpoint of I think there was some opening day adrenaline there. 727 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,440 Speaker 1: They couldn't help me, but just you know, to be 728 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:38,200 Speaker 1: something left over from February thirteenth. All right, a few 729 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,080 Speaker 1: more topics. What do you expect from Jesse Bates to 730 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:45,160 Speaker 1: begin the season? Jesse, he's so consistent, you know, he's 731 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,759 Speaker 1: one of these guys you uh, you know, you you 732 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,799 Speaker 1: wind them up, your roll them out there, and he's 733 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,319 Speaker 1: gonna and he's gonna be good, you know. Uh, And 734 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,279 Speaker 1: I think, uh, I think he'll be better than last year. 735 00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:00,000 Speaker 1: I think he was pretty open about how he struggles 736 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,480 Speaker 1: last year trying to come to terms with his contract 737 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:06,400 Speaker 1: and playing, and he was pretty open about that. So 738 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 1: I think he's got his arms around that now. I 739 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,279 Speaker 1: think he's in a better place. And so I think 740 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:12,919 Speaker 1: I think he's going to be good. I think he's 741 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 1: you know, he's a hell of a player. And look 742 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,880 Speaker 1: what he did in the postseason. You know, he had 743 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,879 Speaker 1: a great postseason. You know. So if he can come 744 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:27,000 Speaker 1: anywhere near that, you know, they'll they'll be fine. Historically 745 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,719 Speaker 1: he's played nearly every snap. That might go down a 746 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 1: little bit, especially early in the season. Maybe they'll give him, 747 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,640 Speaker 1: you know, the occasional break just because of the amount 748 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,879 Speaker 1: of time missed, but I expect him to play well. 749 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,200 Speaker 1: I'm with you, Do you have an under the radar 750 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:46,200 Speaker 1: candidate to have a breakout year? Yeah, just probably because 751 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,600 Speaker 1: I just wrote about him and you know, cam Sample, 752 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:53,120 Speaker 1: I think the versatile defensive lineman, I think he's a 753 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,600 Speaker 1: And I agree with you on on Davis Gaither. I think, 754 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,040 Speaker 1: I think that's a great guy to watch, and it 755 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,279 Speaker 1: Cam too. You know, Cam's I think last year he 756 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,120 Speaker 1: was hurt a little bit. He got hurt late in 757 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,840 Speaker 1: the year with a hamstring with a hamstring issue that 758 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,080 Speaker 1: took him out of the last two games. But and 759 00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,120 Speaker 1: I also think he was you know, he also had 760 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,399 Speaker 1: some other stuff going on with his court. He ended 761 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,880 Speaker 1: up having having surgery on his core. So you know, 762 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,040 Speaker 1: they say, you know, he looked really good in camp. 763 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,960 Speaker 1: I thought he was very active. He gives him a 764 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,680 Speaker 1: guy that can go inside and outside. He's not you know, 765 00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,200 Speaker 1: you don't want to use him as a three technique 766 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,120 Speaker 1: a lot, but you can. He's a really good edge 767 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,279 Speaker 1: put placement, run really well. I thought. I thought that 768 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,759 Speaker 1: was one of the major reasons last year that they 769 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,600 Speaker 1: were so good against the run was Cam. I think 770 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,399 Speaker 1: Cam played about three hundred and ten snaps. He's really 771 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,360 Speaker 1: good against him run, and he can give you some 772 00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,160 Speaker 1: pressure inside too, really very you know, like Loui and 773 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,160 Speaker 1: Rumo said the other day, this guy he'll play for 774 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,880 Speaker 1: ten years just because he knows, just because he'll always 775 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:53,919 Speaker 1: be in the right spot, you know. So I think 776 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:58,520 Speaker 1: a guy like that, who's serious, committed another year in 777 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:02,400 Speaker 1: the system, and he's healthy, and I think, you know, 778 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,960 Speaker 1: you know, we're looking to kind of lowry open jobie 779 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,720 Speaker 1: seven sacks. It doesn't come from really the same position, 780 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,279 Speaker 1: but maybe camp can help you get some of those. 781 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,919 Speaker 1: I don't know if this guy should count as under 782 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,719 Speaker 1: the radar because I've been talking about him so much 783 00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:18,920 Speaker 1: in camp, but hayden Hurst would be my guy. I 784 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,920 Speaker 1: just think he's poised to surpass the numbers that c 785 00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,640 Speaker 1: j Uzama put up last year. And admittedly those were 786 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,080 Speaker 1: not Pro Bowl like numbers, but he was pretty productive. 787 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,720 Speaker 1: But I think hayden Hurst could have sixty plus catches. 788 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:35,560 Speaker 1: I think he could have seven hundred plush yards, eight touchdowns, 789 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,320 Speaker 1: with a bunch of them coming in the red zone. 790 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,560 Speaker 1: I just think there's going to be so many opportunities 791 00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,160 Speaker 1: for him with all of the attention on the three 792 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,759 Speaker 1: great wide receivers, and we know that Joe Burrow will 793 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,880 Speaker 1: find the open man. So if hayden Hurst stays healthy, 794 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,840 Speaker 1: I think he's got the chance to earn a huge 795 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,200 Speaker 1: contract at the end of this year, since he signed 796 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,040 Speaker 1: a one year deal with the Bengals. Let's get to 797 00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:01,000 Speaker 1: our final topic and that is next Sunday Week one 798 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,880 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers. Do you have an early key to that 799 00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,640 Speaker 1: Week one matchup? Yeah, you can't have mentioned it. I 800 00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:11,280 Speaker 1: mean it's it's it's always the Bengals offensive line burst 801 00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:16,000 Speaker 1: and Steelers defensive line. I always thought in this previous 802 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:21,280 Speaker 1: era of Dalton and Green, there wasn't a hex against 803 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,800 Speaker 1: the Steelers. There wasn't a jinx against the Steelers. He 804 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,040 Speaker 1: had to block Hayward into it. That's that's what that 805 00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,279 Speaker 1: series came down to in that stretch. And I think 806 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,960 Speaker 1: now with the Steelers in the post been era, trying 807 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,800 Speaker 1: to find some weapons, got a basically a new offense. 808 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,120 Speaker 1: You know they're gonna ride that defense. You know they 809 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,719 Speaker 1: got three They got three good minds over there. Mike 810 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,080 Speaker 1: Tomlin h he hasn't gone anywhere hell of a coach, 811 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,800 Speaker 1: but he's also got Brian Flores there a good defensive 812 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:54,480 Speaker 1: mind as long. With Terrell Austin, the former Bengals defensive coordinator, 813 00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,000 Speaker 1: he's he's now the Steelers defensive coordinator. So you know, 814 00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,879 Speaker 1: you know they're gonna be good on defense. They got way. 815 00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,680 Speaker 1: So to me, it always comes down to protect and 816 00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,040 Speaker 1: protect and Borrow against I mean against those guys. You 817 00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,400 Speaker 1: can't you can't let the Steelers defense dictate to you. 818 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,120 Speaker 1: You got to attack them. I thought they did great 819 00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,600 Speaker 1: to let their first game down in Pittsburgh last year. 820 00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,160 Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken, they broke their sack. They broke 821 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:21,840 Speaker 1: the Steelers consecutive game for sacks. Borrow didn't gets sacked. 822 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,160 Speaker 1: And you know need another one like that being great, 823 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,200 Speaker 1: it's a great be a great way for this offensive 824 00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,480 Speaker 1: line to get off the and I think that's the 825 00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:33,520 Speaker 1: other thing that's the key. But guys like Carris and Kappa, 826 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,080 Speaker 1: they can get they can get Volson through a game 827 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,960 Speaker 1: like that. All those guys have played in Super Bowls, 828 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,680 Speaker 1: you know, So I think, you know, I think that's 829 00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,200 Speaker 1: a this is trip around. I think it's a pretty 830 00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,440 Speaker 1: good matchup at home. The Steelers have led the NFL 831 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,680 Speaker 1: and sacks in each of the last five years. That 832 00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,000 Speaker 1: is a record for longest streak by any team in 833 00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,799 Speaker 1: NFL history. So what you're saying makes sense. And yet 834 00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:00,279 Speaker 1: I am shocked because the Steelers were dead la in 835 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,719 Speaker 1: the NFL. It's stopping the run last year, which is 836 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,160 Speaker 1: highly unusual for them. I thought, for sure, I was 837 00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:10,359 Speaker 1: going to get a Joe Mixon versus that questionable run 838 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,919 Speaker 1: stopping defense would be the key to the game. Well, yeah, 839 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,440 Speaker 1: well the Steelers gave up five yards per bolt, which 840 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:22,239 Speaker 1: is very very Unsteeler like. But I you know, I 841 00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:26,720 Speaker 1: don't know, because then that would be the great answer, 842 00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,279 Speaker 1: you know, to you know, for for Volson and that 843 00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,680 Speaker 1: new offensive line. What's the answer, Well, run the ball. 844 00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,440 Speaker 1: You know you want to get them. You know you 845 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,200 Speaker 1: don't want to get them in a past sets right away, 846 00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,080 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, You don't want them, you know, 847 00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,600 Speaker 1: you know they haven't If you want to get into 848 00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,400 Speaker 1: a rhythm in the season, what's the way to do it. 849 00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:46,879 Speaker 1: I guess it would be to give Mixing a give 850 00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,600 Speaker 1: them thirty touches or something like that. But I still 851 00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:54,360 Speaker 1: think when push comes to shove, you got to protect 852 00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,920 Speaker 1: the big fellow. It's gonna be a fun week. It's 853 00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,640 Speaker 1: going to be an unbelievable atmosphere on Sunday taking the 854 00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,960 Speaker 1: field as defending AFC champions in a regular season game 855 00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,000 Speaker 1: for the first time. Have never played the Steelers in 856 00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,799 Speaker 1: an opener, which is which is unbelievable, And I think 857 00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,600 Speaker 1: they've played them more than any other team, right think, 858 00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,640 Speaker 1: and yet they've they've never played an open I find 859 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,719 Speaker 1: that unbelievable. I can't wait to hear Dan Horde welcoming 860 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,160 Speaker 1: the audience with about five minutes to go before kickoff. 861 00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,080 Speaker 1: That's always a great It's always one. I'm dialing in 862 00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,040 Speaker 1: there and you and Lapp get me jacked up. There'll 863 00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,200 Speaker 1: be I'll be waiting for this one because the first 864 00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,640 Speaker 1: time they take the field since the Super Bowl is 865 00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:39,600 Speaker 1: AFC champions Here's the heads up that our Bengals weekly 866 00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:43,560 Speaker 1: on location radio shows get started this week. Dave Lappham 867 00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,560 Speaker 1: and I will be at Bucketheads on Harrison ad for 868 00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:50,080 Speaker 1: the Bengals Game Plan Show Wednesday night from six to eight. 869 00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,440 Speaker 1: Then on Friday, we'll be at the Buffalo Wings and 870 00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,720 Speaker 1: Rings location in Oakley for the Bengals pep Rally Show 871 00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:01,040 Speaker 1: from three to six. We hope to see you. That's 872 00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:02,880 Speaker 1: going to do it for this episode of the Bengals 873 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:07,520 Speaker 1: Booth podcast, presented by Ultimate Bengals. Download Ultimate Bengals ahead 874 00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,120 Speaker 1: of the twenty twenty two season. Gets free to play 875 00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:14,799 Speaker 1: next level fantasy football with fantastic Bengals prizes. 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