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Speaker 1: to get close to greatness, my best best. How's everybody
Speaker 1: doing today? Done? Good? Good? Still? How about how about
Speaker 1: even better? After yesterday's practice report for the Cowboys. Felt
Speaker 1: pretty good about that, right, Getting Randy Gregory Neville Gallimore
Speaker 1: back on the practice field kind of what we had anticipated.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, you also didn't have any
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard out there. Oh no, that's one thing I
Speaker 1: was really happy to hear about. No one COVID listed.
Speaker 1: That's another huge Mike McCarthy back in the building. Yes,
Speaker 1: he even joked around yesterday as of twelve or one
Speaker 1: am today, which would have been a minute after midnight
Speaker 1: and that's that's huge. So everybody's off the COVID list, right,
Speaker 1: everybody's good at the moment. Knock on wood, where's that wood?
Speaker 1: We have knocked on it. But that's that is that's
Speaker 1: a huge key to having everyone back. You feel like
Speaker 1: that's an added boots to this team of having just
Speaker 1: regalvanizing the coaching staff and kind of getting back to
Speaker 1: your roles. Health in general, health in general. But you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's amazing how you go through a season having
Speaker 1: to check who's on the injury report and COVID report.
Speaker 1: That's the biggest thing. I mean, we did and have
Speaker 1: our coach, our head coach last game and just to
Speaker 1: hear that he's back in the building, I think in
Speaker 1: Phil Bend and other assistance. You know, although we have
Speaker 1: more coaches on the staff than any other team, obviously
Speaker 1: just having guys back healthy is going to be a
Speaker 1: boost for this team. I believe. How much is that
Speaker 1: a boost for guys, not even just the players and
Speaker 1: looking around and seeing their coaches back, which is obviously
Speaker 1: going to be a confidence level that's higher than it
Speaker 1: was without those guys, But really for the coaches that
Speaker 1: had to do two three, four, jobs at a time.
Speaker 1: I mean, you talk about the guys who had to
Speaker 1: fill in for the head coach Dan Quinn. Of course
Speaker 1: you talk about the offensive line coaches and having Wells
Speaker 1: jump over to from the tight end spots coach the
Speaker 1: offensive line. How much of a relief is that. I
Speaker 1: don't know how much. I don't know how much of
Speaker 1: a relief it is. I think those guys honestly their competitors,
Speaker 1: so they look forward to those opportunities too. They don't
Speaker 1: look forward to the situation presenting itself, but once it does,
Speaker 1: you know they're not going to back down from it.
Speaker 1: I think every coach on his staff looks for opportunities
Speaker 1: to try to expand and kind of proof in themselves
Speaker 1: what they are and what their capabilities are. So whenever
Speaker 1: those type of situations present area rear their head, you know,
Speaker 1: I think those guys step up, you know, willingly. But
Speaker 1: I am now concerned with their backfield. The heck's going
Speaker 1: on there? And talk about running back? Yeah, yeah, what's
Speaker 1: going on? TP doesn't go to practice, you know, and
Speaker 1: doesn't practice. He's over there with Britain, those guys, and
Speaker 1: then we signed somebody else, so we have Clement already.
Speaker 1: What is this an indication to That's so yeah, that
Speaker 1: was the that's the three things that you can talk
Speaker 1: about when it comes to the running back position. Is one,
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott despite the knee concerns, is one practicing. Two.
Speaker 1: They actually got a really good report on Zeke and
Speaker 1: said that his knee injury at the moment will not
Speaker 1: require any offseason surgery, which is huge to say that
Speaker 1: it's healing up and it's looking better. And so that's
Speaker 1: a positive spin. But then a not so positive spin.
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard, dealing with a foot injury, spent time off
Speaker 1: the practice field yesterday, was with the athletic trainers and
Speaker 1: on the bands with Brown and company and trying to
Speaker 1: get back and ready to go. So the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: anticipating both of those guys playing. But then they go
Speaker 1: out and signed Edo Smith, a five one hundred ninety
Speaker 1: five pound very gat back type of player. He's actually
Speaker 1: went to Southern miss and it's pretty good little back,
Speaker 1: but he's been around the league for quite some time.
Speaker 1: They go out and get him veterans, So is that
Speaker 1: an indication that there maybe isn't a chance that those
Speaker 1: two guys play on Saturday, and I guess asking you
Speaker 1: when you have you bringing guys to the practice squad
Speaker 1: mid season, it's just, you know, obviously shoring up the
Speaker 1: position in a way if all else fails. But I
Speaker 1: don't think that this time to take the glass off
Speaker 1: the panic button? Am I? Am? I too? Am? I
Speaker 1: just too laid back about it because we've gone through
Speaker 1: situations throughout the week where Ezekiel Elliott has been hurt
Speaker 1: and been on the bands with Brett, and maybe we're
Speaker 1: going through the same thing with Tony Pollard. I watched
Speaker 1: the game just trying to find when he actually hurt
Speaker 1: his foot. I couldn't find it because the last thing
Speaker 1: I saw Tony Pollard was running by somebody and they
Speaker 1: didn't even have him in the angle on the sideline. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, so I'm just evaluating that just to see
Speaker 1: exactly what it is. But obviously it's enough to keep
Speaker 1: him out of practice. But if they feel like he's
Speaker 1: going to be healthy and ready to go against Washington,
Speaker 1: then hell, who am I to panic? I wouldn't say
Speaker 1: panic mode, but you know you don't. You don't panic
Speaker 1: with your finances, but you prepare for the worst case scenario,
Speaker 1: right so I mean, this is what an indication of that.
Speaker 1: I don't think this is something that you can ignore.
Speaker 1: They have running backs on the roster. You know, they
Speaker 1: have Zeke, they have Polor, they have clements, right, so
Speaker 1: they have some guys on the roster already. So to
Speaker 1: bring somebody else now from the crib and put them
Speaker 1: on your practice squad, now you're prepping him for there
Speaker 1: just in case. Right, Obviously, Zeke has not been healthy.
Speaker 1: I don't care what nobody says. Zeke has not been healthy.
Speaker 1: He's been playing through it, right, but he has not
Speaker 1: been healthy. Therefore, he has not been Zeke or even
Speaker 1: a reflection of what Zeke has been. So we know
Speaker 1: Zeke is injured, but he's not missing practice time, right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: then we have TP who actually is now missing practice
Speaker 1: time and he didn't appear to be injured at all.
Speaker 1: Being that it's a foot injury, we don't know the
Speaker 1: complexity of the injury. But being that it's a foot,
Speaker 1: trust me, I've blown my foot out before I know
Speaker 1: about those. It takes one bad cut, one bad cut
Speaker 1: for whatever he may be dealing with, and it's now
Speaker 1: inflamed because it's a foot, right, So you got Zeke
Speaker 1: who's not healthy but playing through it. He said he
Speaker 1: already has a quote on under saying you have to
Speaker 1: drag me off the field. Well, and we hope we
Speaker 1: don't get to that point. And then you have this
Speaker 1: guy that he has a change of pace back, who
Speaker 1: has his filling TP, who's now missing time, and who
Speaker 1: has possibly an injury that could requires one bad cut
Speaker 1: that not even a non contact potential injury can remove
Speaker 1: him off the field. And now you possibly down to
Speaker 1: Clement and now Ito that you just brought out to
Speaker 1: the roster. So not panicking, but have your antennis though
Speaker 1: you got you got your concerns. Yeah, and I think
Speaker 1: that's fair to say, because I mean, how thin do
Speaker 1: you look at this running back position now as opposed
Speaker 1: to what you had maybe going into training camp you
Speaker 1: thought you had Rico Dowdle back behind Pollard and Zeke.
Speaker 1: You had Shiwoallana Lua back there as well. Both of
Speaker 1: those guys had great training camps up until the point
Speaker 1: where they got injured. So now you have to go
Speaker 1: to the Corey Clement side, who's played a decent amount
Speaker 1: of time on special teams and he's been a nice
Speaker 1: little fill in Without those two guys, though, you feel
Speaker 1: severely limited in your run game. You know. I think
Speaker 1: going back to the interview from one of our three
Speaker 1: the Fan and Jerry Jones was speaking and talking about
Speaker 1: Zeke being the glue of this team, I really would
Speaker 1: And I was excited about that, Kyle, because you know,
Speaker 1: we do interviews with coaches, college coaches, football coaches, high
Speaker 1: school coaches, and one of my main question is who's
Speaker 1: your glue guy. Who's your guy, who's your guy? Who's
Speaker 1: the glue guy? And I asked that question because I
Speaker 1: feel like when you have a glue guy, that's a uniter,
Speaker 1: that is the guy that everybody looks to for leadership,
Speaker 1: and he's the one that's putting it on the line.
Speaker 1: And that's been so much being talked about about Zeke
Speaker 1: and this injury. But at the same him being injured
Speaker 1: but playing through that, I think that catapults your whole team.
Speaker 1: That everybody's nicked, and you talked about it doing this
Speaker 1: time in the season. Everybody's a little hurt, right, but
Speaker 1: guys are playing through things because our main guy, the
Speaker 1: guy that leads us, is playing through it, you know,
Speaker 1: And well, I'll take I'll take a one out of
Speaker 1: page out of the Great Nate Newton, and Nate said,
Speaker 1: you know, if he could stand, if a mule could stand,
Speaker 1: he'll work, right, He's like a mule. And he was
Speaker 1: talking about Emmitt Smith in the game versus New York
Speaker 1: Giants to seal home field advantage where he completely sublocked
Speaker 1: his shoulder was out of place, right, And so you
Speaker 1: he's a hero around here because of the way that
Speaker 1: he played in that game. For some reason, Zeke and
Speaker 1: his toughness is viewed and looked at completely differently. But
Speaker 1: he's playing through it. It's not a tear. It's not
Speaker 1: something he's gonna have to have surgery on at the
Speaker 1: end of the year. So obviously the ten day rest
Speaker 1: that they got, I think that he's gonna be a
Speaker 1: lot better. But I also feel as though this should
Speaker 1: be his time of the year. We want him obviously
Speaker 1: to be healthier. I don't want him to play obviously
Speaker 1: if he's injured. But these are the things that get
Speaker 1: guys the glory that they want. If you're not contributing,
Speaker 1: then that's a whole other thing. But just to say,
Speaker 1: hey man, you need to sit and go away, you know,
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying that anybody here saying that. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying particularly Zeke and his toughness in him saying that, hey,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to drag me off, that sends a
Speaker 1: message to everybody that look, man, I'm in it, and
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anybody is questioning his toughness. I
Speaker 1: don't think that anybody's question his toughness nor his ability
Speaker 1: to produce one healthy. But the reality is he's not
Speaker 1: healthy and he's not productive in the running game right
Speaker 1: now because of his because of this knee injury, whatever
Speaker 1: he has sustained, it's affecting his ability to run. Officially,
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any question marks around that. But
Speaker 1: can I ask you this, with the offensive line, and
Speaker 1: we've seen the musical chairs that we played up front
Speaker 1: in the offensive line, do you think that and even
Speaker 1: coming from last year and the way that teams have
Speaker 1: been pretty much daring Dak to throw the ball into
Speaker 1: these seven eight man boxes, do you think any of
Speaker 1: those things have anything to do with his production? I
Speaker 1: would say yes. I mean, obviously, the officive line always
Speaker 1: plays a part in any running backs production, unless you're
Speaker 1: Barry Sanders. But but here's what we saw last week.
Speaker 1: We can just go to what we saw last week
Speaker 1: with the holes that were there. Even at times he
Speaker 1: got through the holes. That was a Now I don't
Speaker 1: know what that was a fraction of what Zeke is.
Speaker 1: He was limping, he was he was gimpy, he was slow,
Speaker 1: he had no acceleration. And he could be a dog.
Speaker 1: He could be he is all those things. He's a dog,
Speaker 1: he's a physical specimen, he is mental you know, fortitude,
Speaker 1: he's he's gonna ground it out, he's gonna be your leader.
Speaker 1: He's all those things. But that doesn't make you a
Speaker 1: productive running back on the field. And I don't think
Speaker 1: that that he is that right now, simply because of
Speaker 1: his hindrance with his injury. Now you you you you
Speaker 1: you pair that up with the fact that now Pollard
Speaker 1: has something that he's dealing with, and now that worries me.
Speaker 1: That worries me because now even when Zeke's not even
Speaker 1: Zeke was reverted to a third down back simply and
Speaker 1: they're just a block exactly because his ability to be
Speaker 1: able to diagnose the defense what they have going on
Speaker 1: and be able to negate uh some kind of a
Speaker 1: factor that they are there, they're they're imposing on deck.
Speaker 1: So that's why he was really out there as a threat.
Speaker 1: And also his ability to keep people off Deck's back.
Speaker 1: He can do that all day long, but he's not
Speaker 1: toting the ball. So if you take Zeke out the
Speaker 1: running game the running game, and you take Pollard out
Speaker 1: the running game, if injury occurs, if it's this thing
Speaker 1: gets worse or whatever it has flares back up, now
Speaker 1: you really don't have a running game that we're already
Speaker 1: struggling with with those guys in the picture, and I
Speaker 1: know you're gonna you're gonna go forward with the matchups
Speaker 1: and everything in this game. So I like this conversation though,
Speaker 1: because I think it is a concern because at some
Speaker 1: point in the last couple of weeks, when Zeke hasn't
Speaker 1: looked like Zeke, you at least had the fall back
Speaker 1: of saying Tony Pollard's here, Tony Pollard's gonna take this
Speaker 1: rock and he's gonna have a fifty eight yard touchdown
Speaker 1: run That opened up the game completely for your offense.
Speaker 1: So there is that concern. But I agree with you
Speaker 1: in the fact that I think there's a lot of
Speaker 1: the wrong idea the wrong perception of Ezekiel Elliott by
Speaker 1: playing through this because he is that glue guy. Because
Speaker 1: he is the guy, and going back to the conversations
Speaker 1: that you and I have with these college and high
Speaker 1: school coaches, for the most part, it's either an offensive lineman,
Speaker 1: it's a quarterback. It's never the tailback. It is almost
Speaker 1: never the half back. There are a couple exceptions, of course,
Speaker 1: but Zeke is that guy, and he's been that glue
Speaker 1: guy for a couple of years now, and I think
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy knows that. I think Amari Cooper is another
Speaker 1: one of those guys that this year, early in the year,
Speaker 1: we heard him talk about saying, in order to be
Speaker 1: the best, and I want to be the best, I
Speaker 1: have to be on the field, right I have to
Speaker 1: be healthy, I have to play through whatever's nicking at me.
Speaker 1: I think Zeke probably picked up a little bit of
Speaker 1: that too. He knows that, hey, I can help this
Speaker 1: team when I'm on the field, and especially now with
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard out, he's going to have to help the
Speaker 1: team out. And hopefully this ten days does do that.
Speaker 1: And I think it also for a Cowboy Nation, a
Speaker 1: lot of people are looking at what's going on with
Speaker 1: the running game. But then you look at where the
Speaker 1: running game work ranks in the NFL, and I believe
Speaker 1: it's still it's still a top ten running game and
Speaker 1: so it's hard to panic when you look at the
Speaker 1: numbers and you see it. But then if I told
Speaker 1: you that running in general in the league was down
Speaker 1: without actually looking at a stat, I'm sure you would
Speaker 1: believe me because of the way that teams are throwing
Speaker 1: the ball and the league has changed. Right, So I'll
Speaker 1: get you, guys know, I'm not a big stat guy
Speaker 1: or by any means, but this team, I don't care
Speaker 1: how many receivers we get. I don't care what we
Speaker 1: have at the quarterback position. This team is revolves around
Speaker 1: the ground game, and most offenses do. There's very few
Speaker 1: that just can just light you up with the air
Speaker 1: raid offense. Okay, So Dallas's inability to run the ball
Speaker 1: has affected their ability to win ball games. That is
Speaker 1: a fact. That's a fact over the last five games
Speaker 1: or so, yeah, I mean, which they lost three of
Speaker 1: four at one point in time, right, So that is
Speaker 1: a fact. This team needs to be able to run
Speaker 1: the ball. Now, can Dak throw the ball fifty times.
Speaker 1: We've seen it happen. Yes, he can throw the ball
Speaker 1: fifty times. Does he have the receivers out there? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: Is that an effective way to win ball games with
Speaker 1: this team. No. So, at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: regardless of what we can do around these issues that
Speaker 1: we're having, sustaining you have to create a ground game.
Speaker 1: And if you don't have a ground game and you
Speaker 1: and your opponents due, you're gonna be in trouble. You're limit.
Speaker 1: I mean, it goes back to the six game win streak,
Speaker 1: when everything was going right. What was the thing that
Speaker 1: was leading the way to the ground Yeah, but let
Speaker 1: me ask you this. You know, obviously, and I've already
Speaker 1: asked this question and pointed to the injuries and everything
Speaker 1: that we had. But also you're going up against professionals here,
Speaker 1: and defensive coordinators are not going to allow you to
Speaker 1: get away with things. Yeah. Once we see that, Okay,
Speaker 1: you bring in kind of a governor as a fullback. Okay,
Speaker 1: we know where you're going with this, you know, And
Speaker 1: so teams have adjusted. Regardless of Vick Vangio's claim that
Speaker 1: he came up with the recipe of the blueprint to
Speaker 1: beat you, you've seen teams make the adjustment. I think
Speaker 1: that adjustment started versus the Patriots. The Patriots were one
Speaker 1: of the first teams to say, we're going to crowd
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. We're gonna body you on the outside,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna dare Dak to find it and hell
Speaker 1: walk off home run. You know, and over time is
Speaker 1: what he shown. Since the injury, since then, since the
Speaker 1: musical chairs at the offensive line position, you've seen our
Speaker 1: offense not be able to generate that kind of rushing um.
Speaker 1: And it's because teams are just again crowding the line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage and we don't have that take a drink
Speaker 1: continuity at the offensive line that's been plaguing us. I
Speaker 1: think we get back to that. I think you have
Speaker 1: to because you just pointed out if you go up
Speaker 1: against a team that has a running game and you don't,
Speaker 1: what can they do. They can sustain drives that can
Speaker 1: milk the clock, and if you do three, if you
Speaker 1: have a three and out, you're just putting your defense
Speaker 1: out there to drive. Yeah, it's a bad situation, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna double down on the fact that, you know,
Speaker 1: I think Jerry Jones gave Dak a scapegoat. I'd be
Speaker 1: honest with you, I'm gonna call a spade a spade.
Speaker 1: I think he gave him a scapegoat the other day
Speaker 1: when he said that those receivers that are running the
Speaker 1: y didn't like didn't like them, didn't like it at all,
Speaker 1: didn't like it at all, and did not like you.
Speaker 1: Felt like he threw he threw the receivers under the bus.
Speaker 1: I felt like he threw the receivers under the bus.
Speaker 1: And he gave gave Dak an exit. And this is
Speaker 1: a former quarterback and the reality and the reality is,
Speaker 1: since since Dak's injury to his calf, his mechanics have
Speaker 1: been off. There are pockets that Dak is not stepping
Speaker 1: up into. There are a lot of balls that he's
Speaker 1: throwing off his back leg. His form is bad, his
Speaker 1: deliveries bad, his accuracies not there. So all these things
Speaker 1: you pair that up with, and that's something that he
Speaker 1: can correct, right, he can correct that out. Yeah, that's all.
Speaker 1: That's all fixed the bo out here in the practice field.
Speaker 1: But he has to show it, right, he has to
Speaker 1: show it He's taken from the practice field or from
Speaker 1: his mind and make it physical into the actual game.
Speaker 1: You pair those bad mechanics up, they reflect in those
Speaker 1: Mickey bad mechanics reflecting a two out of thirteen on
Speaker 1: third down. Yeah, all right, and then you pair that
Speaker 1: up with an inability to have a ground game and
Speaker 1: injured running backs. It's a bad combination. That's all I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's all. You're not saying Dak Prescott has been playing poorly.
Speaker 1: You're saying his mechanics are are putting just a little
Speaker 1: bit off. He has to show him up because there
Speaker 1: are times when Dak Prescott, especially in that Saints game,
Speaker 1: we're making just the perfect times now just dots to
Speaker 1: his receivers, But there were other times, like you said,
Speaker 1: that miss wide open guys and missed first down opportunities
Speaker 1: and multiple things of the of the sword. And actually
Speaker 1: we're looking at there's a monitor in here with NFL
Speaker 1: Network and it's got Jerry and says why Cowboys widers
Speaker 1: didn't run? So how about that for timing? But what
Speaker 1: about I mean, and even this week, you know you
Speaker 1: heard Ceedee Lamb in an interview talk about that fourth
Speaker 1: down play where he was supposed to be a little
Speaker 1: bit more shallow or more to the outside where the
Speaker 1: ball would would land to him. Anyway, they would have
Speaker 1: had success. But he threw himself on the sword and said,
Speaker 1: I didn't I misheard what was going on. And then
Speaker 1: and then in the same breath, for the last those
Speaker 1: five game stretches that you're talking about, we're playing without
Speaker 1: key guys at positions. Whether it'd be the concussion or
Speaker 1: whether it'd be COVID for Amari Cooper, and guys taking
Speaker 1: reps that they wouldn't necessarily be taken. I think Central Wilson,
Speaker 1: all of these guys, Noah Brown would also with the
Speaker 1: amount of reps that they got, they're not used to that. Again,
Speaker 1: no excuses for that, all right, because you get enough
Speaker 1: practice and you get enough reps to be able to
Speaker 1: show those things up. But just going back to what
Speaker 1: you said about Dak Dad came into the league as
Speaker 1: a fourth round draft pick, and everybody when I watched
Speaker 1: him in Mississippi State, I thought he was just dynamic
Speaker 1: as a runner and he still could throw the ball,
Speaker 1: but the mechanics were never there. Those were things that
Speaker 1: he had to acquire over his career, and sometimes especially
Speaker 1: when you're hurting, and again, it sounds like an excuse
Speaker 1: for me for Dak that when you're dealing with an injury,
Speaker 1: sometimes you're mechanics they suffer. That would either be with
Speaker 1: the calf injury or whatever it is. I think he's
Speaker 1: played cleanly enough throughout his throughout his career that we
Speaker 1: at least I believe that he can still make all
Speaker 1: the throws and if he and if he can actually
Speaker 1: get back to being mechanically sound like you're talking about,
Speaker 1: then we're talking about the number, and we're obviously talking
Speaker 1: about the quarterback that has the number one offense, and
Speaker 1: that not the ifs and the and the what ifs,
Speaker 1: right right, But you and I both know if it
Speaker 1: was a fifth we'd be drunk exactly. So he has
Speaker 1: to do it. He has to do it, and he's
Speaker 1: fully capable of doing it, right, but he has to
Speaker 1: get back to doing it. If we want to have
Speaker 1: any opportunity of talking about playoffs and NFC each championship
Speaker 1: all that stuff. You have to be more effective at
Speaker 1: that position. You have to be able to run the
Speaker 1: ball effectively with healthy backs, right, and you got to
Speaker 1: improve upon your third down. Both of those things have
Speaker 1: a part in that number because you're not going to
Speaker 1: go any further than hopefully even in the first round
Speaker 1: if that, if that continues, I love the amount of
Speaker 1: like coaching cliches that are used on this show, and
Speaker 1: that shows that we've been around coaches for a long time.
Speaker 1: Yesterday it was hope is not a strategy today as
Speaker 1: if if if we're a fifth and that's some hood stuff.
Speaker 1: Oh goodness, all right, let's take our first break when
Speaker 1: we come back. Who could this offense be exposed by?
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Speaker 1: were just talking about the Cowboys offense and the Washington defense.
Speaker 1: If you're just joining us, and I wanted to ask
Speaker 1: you this question about the Washington football team. It's a
Speaker 1: defense that's been playing really well over the last four weeks.
Speaker 1: You talk about a complete turnaround, and five of their
Speaker 1: first six game of the year they had allowed at
Speaker 1: least twenty nine points. At least for the most part,
Speaker 1: it was up over thirty. Yeah. Five of their first
Speaker 1: horrible they were not good at all. And then they
Speaker 1: turn around and even without some of their key pieces
Speaker 1: like a Chase Young, especially off the edge, a top
Speaker 1: pick in the draft a couple of years ago, and
Speaker 1: Ohio State Buckeye edge rusher that is one of the
Speaker 1: young stars in the league. He's out for the season
Speaker 1: with a torn acl So with that being said, they
Speaker 1: shouldn't be as good, right wrong. They've been really good
Speaker 1: the last four weeks and have really turned it around
Speaker 1: since the bye week. Huge credit to Ron Rivera and
Speaker 1: company to getting to that point. But Isaiah, when you
Speaker 1: look at this defense and you see some of the
Speaker 1: ways that they could expose the Cowboys offense, which one's
Speaker 1: the number one way that they could do that. Just
Speaker 1: their defense up front. I mean, they're they're missing some guys,
Speaker 1: they're definitely missing some guys, but they're they're still pretty
Speaker 1: pretty stout up front. There no Montes sweat because he's
Speaker 1: on the COVID list. Montes, you know they who else
Speaker 1: they're missing up there? Um? Yeah, really about it, honestly,
Speaker 1: that's really about everybody else. Still got big John Allen
Speaker 1: in there. Um they got you know, hold him. That
Speaker 1: linebacker does a great job for them. They they are,
Speaker 1: they're they're they're just pretty strong. They're they're strong at
Speaker 1: the point of contact. And that's these guys are. I
Speaker 1: think they're third in the league right now in terms
Speaker 1: of yards rushing allowed something like that. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: these guys are not allowing you to run the ball,
Speaker 1: which doesn't necessarily bode well for the whole conversation we
Speaker 1: just had a whole But at the same token, these
Speaker 1: guys are thirtieth in the league in terms of yards
Speaker 1: allowed in the air, So it's something that we can
Speaker 1: definitely exploit in that regard. But you know, running running
Speaker 1: the ball, as we just talked about, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: essential to the success of the Dallas Cowboys. Can they
Speaker 1: win without it? Yes, that's not the way in which
Speaker 1: you want to approach this game. Well, Duran pain has
Speaker 1: been the pain UH for us, and he's been over
Speaker 1: the top of Connor Williams for a lot of these
Speaker 1: matchups that we had last year. Specifically, I think now
Speaker 1: that we've gone with Connor mcgovernor, I'm excited to see
Speaker 1: how this matchup goes. And last year when we played
Speaker 1: them and just I have to talk about this, A
Speaker 1: lot of people talk about the UH when Dalton Showtz
Speaker 1: was pounded on the carpet and no one said anything
Speaker 1: about our Our team didn't retaliate, basically didn't respond to
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton as well, both of them in that game.
Speaker 1: That's why I was. I was, I was trying to
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton. Was Andy Dalton? That's the play that to me,
Speaker 1: I think was sealed twenty twenty altogether. But I think
Speaker 1: there was another play in that game that I really
Speaker 1: showed me, oh that the Washington football team they playing
Speaker 1: for blood and we out here joking around, and that
Speaker 1: was when linebacker Cole Holkem came on the blitz and
Speaker 1: med Ezekiel Elliott in the A gap and it was
Speaker 1: that's the first time I'd ever seen Zeke actually take
Speaker 1: like a molly whopping, and that was what it was.
Speaker 1: And um it was he wasn't trying to get to
Speaker 1: the quarterback. It was specifically about punishing Zeke. It was
Speaker 1: disrespect and we have to return that man. We have
Speaker 1: got to go to DC and get our leg back
Speaker 1: because they physically impose their will on us. And so
Speaker 1: when we talk about them being third or fourth or
Speaker 1: whatever it is in as far as Russian he is concerned,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be important for us. And I know there's
Speaker 1: a lot that's been said about getting to the outside.
Speaker 1: We see the speed with Tony Pollard and hopefully he's
Speaker 1: able to go this week. But I think it's going
Speaker 1: to be very important that we establish in the trenches
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage tackle to tackle a running game. It's
Speaker 1: it's got to be against this front instead of trying
Speaker 1: to run to the outside, because they are tops in
Speaker 1: next gen stats and runs that go to the outside,
Speaker 1: so concentrating on the inside is going to be important.
Speaker 1: And also I just feel like Michael Gallup. Michael Gallup
Speaker 1: can be very impactful in this game because with their
Speaker 1: cornerbacks being spread all over with CD and also with
Speaker 1: TheMark Cooper, he's going to have some one on one looks.
Speaker 1: That stat that you just mentioned about going out outside
Speaker 1: and running outside the hash marks negative seventy yards on
Speaker 1: expected against expected. That's third best in the league. I think,
Speaker 1: uh for the Washington football team defense. So they want
Speaker 1: to let you do what we've been talking about wanting
Speaker 1: to do. We've been wanting to get to the outside
Speaker 1: and not have to challenge a box straight up that
Speaker 1: has seven eight men in it. Instead, you wanted to
Speaker 1: get to the edge. Think again, don't do it because
Speaker 1: it's not gonna happen against this team. And I know,
Speaker 1: I know how much confidence level of this game is
Speaker 1: one hundred. I know we're not telling you tomorrow, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I know its confidence is a hundred, said Tostitosa.
Speaker 1: Tostitos hundo. If we don't, If we don't, the Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys don't run for one hundred? What is what percent
Speaker 1: is that that confidence dropped to h It doesn't doesn't.
Speaker 1: So you stay hundred regardless of yards on the gre
Speaker 1: And the reason why it doesn't is because I think
Speaker 1: that Washington is foolish enough to continue to try and
Speaker 1: blitz and put pressure on DAC. And Dak has succeeded
Speaker 1: in the short throws and we saw that against the
Speaker 1: Saints with getting the ball to the outside with CD
Speaker 1: and those that's where a lot of our big plays
Speaker 1: came from from Yak. And so with them trying to
Speaker 1: still present that pressure and they've had success doing it
Speaker 1: against the best in the league so far, so I
Speaker 1: think they're gonna do that. And Dak is number one,
Speaker 1: number two in the league in QPR on quick throws,
Speaker 1: and so that's and they suffer with the quick passing.
Speaker 1: So when you talk about when you talk about the
Speaker 1: running game, and you've you've alluded to I've heard you
Speaker 1: allude to this before that sometimes those short passes can
Speaker 1: double as a run. And so that's why that's why
Speaker 1: I don't panic. But if you're run rivera and you
Speaker 1: know that Dallas is struggling running the ball, and you
Speaker 1: know that they want to get the ball out quick,
Speaker 1: do you not adjust and make sure that you press
Speaker 1: your guys up right. And so it really comes down
Speaker 1: to how much time does Dak have now to drop
Speaker 1: back and throw the receivers that could potentially beat their dbs,
Speaker 1: So do you do you eliminate that? If you're Ron River,
Speaker 1: do you eliminate that aspect of the game. And just
Speaker 1: like we just talked about Dak, that's this, but that's
Speaker 1: the chess match that's gonna happen between Kelly Moore and
Speaker 1: run RIVERA and I look forward to it because that's
Speaker 1: the same thing that that's the way the teams have
Speaker 1: been playing us over the last couple of weeks. And
Speaker 1: that's why you see, that's why you're talking about Dak
Speaker 1: in those throws in those small windows spaces, and we
Speaker 1: saw him make a throw like that, and everybody's been
Speaker 1: talking about for the last week the throw that he
Speaker 1: made the CD on my hash mark with Latimore on him.
Speaker 1: So those are throws he's gonna have to continue to
Speaker 1: make it. He's gonna have to continue to do those things.
Speaker 1: He's gonna have to continue to throw guys open. And
Speaker 1: so like I personally see like guys like James Smith,
Speaker 1: Smith Williams on the edge being a threat for us.
Speaker 1: I also, you know they have a guy to hell
Speaker 1: that Jonathan Allen. He's a big people. But at some
Speaker 1: point our offensive line. Last you talk about our running
Speaker 1: game and going into playoffs, how we're gonna have any
Speaker 1: success is trying to establish the line of scrimmage. This
Speaker 1: is particularly important for a squad that you're gonna see
Speaker 1: two weeks from now. So you got to you got hey,
Speaker 1: you gotta implement and initiate these guys right now. Jonathan
Speaker 1: Allen can very easily have a Chris Jones type of games,
Speaker 1: very easily taking over. So just because Montese Sweat and
Speaker 1: Chase Younger on that defense line, don't think that that
Speaker 1: Washington defense, that Washington front seven is not going to
Speaker 1: get any extra pressure on. That is a gift. Was
Speaker 1: Sweat hopefully a prey to He's okay, sure and auto jest,
Speaker 1: but jeezus, that as a huge, huge, probably a sigh
Speaker 1: of relief for a matchup standpoint for Cowboys out there.
Speaker 1: But kind of going back to what Heckman was talking
Speaker 1: about about blitzing and Washington being very blitz happy. Washington
Speaker 1: has blitz on thirty two percent of dropbacks this season.
Speaker 1: That's the fifth most in the NFL, and they've given
Speaker 1: up a ninety five passer rating aloud. That's not good thing,
Speaker 1: which is not very better stop Dak Prescott this year.
Speaker 1: Just for those wondering on a comparison, Dak Presscott a
Speaker 1: career high and completion percentage, a career high in yards
Speaker 1: of per attent, and a career high and passer rating.
Speaker 1: Oh and an eight touchdown one interception ratio against quick
Speaker 1: passes or on quick pass So we welcome, welcome the blitz.
Speaker 1: But I think that's you mentioned the chess match between
Speaker 1: Ron River and Kellen Moore. I think that's even to
Speaker 1: be a more juicy side of it too, because if
Speaker 1: they back off of the blitz, that's going away from
Speaker 1: what Washington does. Well, they would have to, but that's
Speaker 1: kind of the thing is Dallas is inviting that, So
Speaker 1: Washington's gonna be the first one to give there and
Speaker 1: to back off from the blitz if they have to. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're smart enough to show blitz and back off. They're like,
Speaker 1: they're smart enough to show cover too, too safety high
Speaker 1: and it actually be one safety high. You see a
Speaker 1: lot of adjustments being made when you look at their cornerbacks.
Speaker 1: Kendall Fuller, I think, is I guess the one name
Speaker 1: that I really know and can concentrate on and watching
Speaker 1: him he's okay, So I mean he's you know, it's
Speaker 1: not Reever's island, but he's a guy that you can
Speaker 1: expose on the outside. And they give more yards than
Speaker 1: any team in the league to the X receiver, the
Speaker 1: guy on the outside, and so we got some really
Speaker 1: good axes. They've got some guys on the outside that
Speaker 1: can burn them down. And that's why I'm looking for
Speaker 1: these matchups to see will they expose themselves on the
Speaker 1: back half if D goes short pump fake and then
Speaker 1: goes up top on them. So that's when when the
Speaker 1: chess game. I just think that there's some really big
Speaker 1: plays that we can make on the outside, and I'm
Speaker 1: looking to see if we can expose them. I agree,
Speaker 1: but I think Ron Riveres, we'll see. I believe that
Speaker 1: Ron Riveres is a lot smarter than what his what
Speaker 1: his stats are showing. Well, he's continuing to do that.
Speaker 1: He they've won four straight for a reason. They started
Speaker 1: two and sixt like that. Yes he did, so, I mean,
Speaker 1: we will see, we will see. But I mean these guys,
Speaker 1: I think I can I foresee, right, if I have
Speaker 1: a little crystal ball, see you get you get a
Speaker 1: lottery numbers out of that way. I wish I knew that.
Speaker 1: I foresee a lot of stunts. Our office A line
Speaker 1: has struggled with stunts in terms of Dak, in terms
Speaker 1: of us talking about him not being um, not being
Speaker 1: confident and being able to sit in the pocket and
Speaker 1: he's not stepping up for whatever reason in the pockets
Speaker 1: and finding those seams where he can actually deliver the
Speaker 1: ball with confidence. I foresee a lot of stunts because
Speaker 1: it's creating a dynamic where it really is like a
Speaker 1: break in the in the link where these these already
Speaker 1: office alignment are no longer able to work as one
Speaker 1: unit um and these guys are now creating these gaps
Speaker 1: by running these stunts. And I can foresee them blitzing,
Speaker 1: but blitzing one guy. I don't see them doing six seven,
Speaker 1: eight man blitzes. I foresee them doing five men right,
Speaker 1: four men rushing one linebacker and really dropping everybody else
Speaker 1: out right and trying to get hands on guys at
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage to not allow them to get
Speaker 1: down the field. That's if I'm run Rivera, That's what
Speaker 1: I'm doing against Dallas. Because I said the offensive line,
Speaker 1: they still are not They're not all the way tied
Speaker 1: in and tapped in yet, right, So they we're seeing
Speaker 1: issues out there that they're they're having with stunts, So
Speaker 1: let's go ahead and stunt them up. Right. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: send one extra linebacker because I do want to make
Speaker 1: sure we get some pressure on them. But I don't
Speaker 1: want to expose myself too much, right, So I want
Speaker 1: I want to heat them up just a little bit,
Speaker 1: but I don't I don't want to put my hand
Speaker 1: on the eye, you know. So if I'm Ron Rivera,
Speaker 1: that's the approach that I'm taking. There's with all these weapons,
Speaker 1: there should be nothing that shuts down Dallas. Let's just
Speaker 1: get that on the table. But that's the other that's
Speaker 1: the approach that I would take. No, that's I mean, hell,
Speaker 1: that's a hell of an approach, especially for an explosive
Speaker 1: offense that you're trying to slow down. And if you're
Speaker 1: gonna fool them dropping everybody out like that, obviously, then
Speaker 1: you're dropping people out in the lanes that Dak is
Speaker 1: going to be trying to throw into. I think the
Speaker 1: other side of that is if you do that, I
Speaker 1: just turned around and hand the ball to Zeke. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's that's the thing that's what I'm saying as
Speaker 1: Ron Rivere knows they're struggling with that, and he knows
Speaker 1: Zeke doesn't have the burst. Zeke's not healthy. Zeke even
Speaker 1: when he had lanes last week, wasn't toting that thing
Speaker 1: the way we know Zeke. He was gimpy. He wants
Speaker 1: to his mind saying go, his body's saying no. Right, so,
Speaker 1: and then if you know you don't have TP as
Speaker 1: somebody that can follow that up and be that check back.
Speaker 1: Right now, Ron River is like, we have the advantage. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we know you're wounded. You're a wounded You're wounded right now.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this man, it's been a quarterback.
Speaker 1: And then one problem that I've had with this offense,
Speaker 1: so just the offensive line coach has been this carousel
Speaker 1: that they've been doing with all. I don't agree with it.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about that in the third segments. Okay,
Speaker 1: can we go ahead and take our second break, because
Speaker 1: I would love to have that conversation because the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are getting all these weapons back, Dak is back, Ezekiel, Ellie,
Speaker 1: it's healthy, Amari Cooper, Cede Land, Michael Gallub, all of
Speaker 1: these guys on the field for the same time. But
Speaker 1: are we still okay with that offensive line. That's the
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Speaker 1: have Rob back tomorrow. But we've got one more segment
Speaker 1: here on this Thursday. Gentlemen, let's talk about this offensive line.
Speaker 1: It's not really the best topic of conversation for the
Speaker 1: Cowboys this year. Wasn't necessarily last year either, But there's
Speaker 1: not a ton of confidence up there right now. So Ema,
Speaker 1: you were asking the question. I want you to go
Speaker 1: through your question that you were asking a moment ago
Speaker 1: prior to the break. But ultimately I'm looking at this
Speaker 1: as why is it a revolving door? Were you kind
Speaker 1: of right there with it? No, I am man. That's
Speaker 1: my biggest question is asking the quarterback in the room
Speaker 1: if you had a situation where you're having to change
Speaker 1: out your offensive lineman for you when you're taking the
Speaker 1: snap and you're getting a snapshot of where everybody is.
Speaker 1: It's a trust thing for quarterbacks. And if you were
Speaker 1: having a different guy at the position, like your right
Speaker 1: tackle is ever changing, you're already dealing with your left
Speaker 1: tackle situation and your guard. With that change your mind
Speaker 1: state from a quarterback position on how you go through
Speaker 1: your reads knowing that, hey, the guy that I trusted
Speaker 1: that was here at first, with the guy that I
Speaker 1: trusted over here, he's not there anymore. With that change
Speaker 1: your mind state as a quarterback, I would say no
Speaker 1: unless that individual was constantly giving up pressures. Now at
Speaker 1: that individual, if I have to keep my you know,
Speaker 1: if I have to take my eyes from being downfield
Speaker 1: to that I'm I'm at the corner of my eye
Speaker 1: because I need to know that this dude may or
Speaker 1: may not be giving us some pressure that would change
Speaker 1: my ability to read read the coverage to be able
Speaker 1: to step up and diagnose where I need to be
Speaker 1: able to diagnose and deliver the rock accurately. But overall,
Speaker 1: I've had that happened before and know because you have
Speaker 1: so many other things to be worried about. You know,
Speaker 1: you're thinking about communicating to the offensive line at that point,
Speaker 1: I think I would you have to turn up your
Speaker 1: communication to ensure that everybody's on the same page. Hey,
Speaker 1: someone fifty five's of Mike, Hey, we were going here,
Speaker 1: We're going to Liz, Liz, We're going to rip, rip,
Speaker 1: whatever it may be. Making sure that those guys understand
Speaker 1: where they're going, so that you know that you've at
Speaker 1: least given them the proper directions, you know, and that
Speaker 1: you can go about your business now if they fail
Speaker 1: to do what they need to do, you know, you
Speaker 1: slap them on the bud, give them a little love,
Speaker 1: and then that's for coach Philbin to take care of,
Speaker 1: which we didn't have last week right now. And the
Speaker 1: only reason I ask that is that you know, I
Speaker 1: can only equate a think from a defensive standpoint of
Speaker 1: just knowing where everybody's going to be on the field,
Speaker 1: and if a guy is in there that I'm not
Speaker 1: familiar with I haven't played with that, that kind of
Speaker 1: throws my train of thought off because if I'm going
Speaker 1: on a blitz through the a gap here and we're
Speaker 1: stunting together. I know the rhythm in which we do that,
Speaker 1: and they may change. For a quarterback, I couldn't even
Speaker 1: imagine playing quarterback because hell, first of all, you got
Speaker 1: people coming at you and then you got to look
Speaker 1: up the field at the same time. But so that's
Speaker 1: why I asked that question. I think it's changed our
Speaker 1: offense tremendously by having this revolving door at the at
Speaker 1: the offensive line position. And that's one of the things
Speaker 1: that I hope I don't like. I know we're mad
Speaker 1: at lael at for the beginning of the season. Yea,
Speaker 1: I understand, right slap on the risk and maybe you
Speaker 1: know it's a punishment. I don't know what it is,
Speaker 1: but at some point we have to agree that Layel
Speaker 1: is the best option to right tackle. I'm hoping that
Speaker 1: we all see that we I mean, in the past,
Speaker 1: based off of what he's done for sure. But let's
Speaker 1: play a little game right here. Okay, I've got a
Speaker 1: game for you guys. I need like some game show music.
Speaker 1: So this is guess the pressure rate? Oh yes, Chris
Speaker 1: p all right, Uh, guess the pressure rate. What do
Speaker 1: you think in terms of in between let's say zero
Speaker 1: and five percent pressure rate on Lyo Collins right now
Speaker 1: this season? How much is he given up pressures? Between
Speaker 1: zero and five percent? Zero and five percent? Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: I mean, that's where the number is. So I'm trying
Speaker 1: to say, so, like between zero and five, where do
Speaker 1: you think he's at? I give him two point seven?
Speaker 1: Two point seven? Okay, I'm gonna go three three. Okay,
Speaker 1: what about Taren Steele? Two two two two? So you
Speaker 1: think he's better than than Lyle Collins? That clessure? Okay, man,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go higher because I already said that. I think. Well,
Speaker 1: then wait a minute, I couldn't be backing you up here.
Speaker 1: You could be, But then I think he's better at
Speaker 1: the door. Don't come me down. I think Leo's been
Speaker 1: at the run right now than maybe still lives a past.
Speaker 1: So let me that maybe a problem. So god, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go two. Okay. Lyo Collins is giving up a
Speaker 1: three point eight pressure rate, three point eight, whereas Terren
Speaker 1: Steel is at three point five. Come on, So he's
Speaker 1: been a little bit better this year and that's one
Speaker 1: more snaps too, because Lyle's plays three hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: five snaps this year and Lyo Collins played fourteen so
Speaker 1: consistency wise, Tarren Steele is actually from a statistical standpoint,
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying the numbers are everything. We know
Speaker 1: that on this show. They know that. On the other
Speaker 1: side of the building, Yeah, numbers are not everything, but
Speaker 1: the numbers there say that there's a potential. Now I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go Isaiah stand back on this one man. Statistics
Speaker 1: out the window. Because you you've seen, you've got you've
Speaker 1: got a sample size of steel and what he's done,
Speaker 1: and it's a good problem. We feel good about the
Speaker 1: future of our tackle position because of Terrence Steele. I
Speaker 1: just think that Leo Collins going missing him last year
Speaker 1: was big. We saw that, but I just believe he's
Speaker 1: so stronger and if you're gonna establish the run, there
Speaker 1: are just things that he can do. He can be
Speaker 1: better in pass protecting at three point eight is ugly.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that that's ugly, but he's got to
Speaker 1: get better. And if you're Zach Martin, when when Steal's
Speaker 1: in there versus Collins in there, who do you feel
Speaker 1: more confident about Leo Collins? Why because of the because
Speaker 1: of the past, because of this year. I'm just hey, man,
Speaker 1: I'm talk about this year. I'm talking about this year, Garlins.
Speaker 1: I take this is both for their first years in
Speaker 1: the league, right, and the only thing you're going off
Speaker 1: of what they've shown you this year? But come on, no, no,
Speaker 1: I know, I know, But this is when we start
Speaker 1: talking about the culture of the team, right. Are we
Speaker 1: gonna base guys based off Are we gonna judge guys
Speaker 1: based upon what they've done in the past or what
Speaker 1: have you done for me lately? I'm gonna I'm definitely
Speaker 1: gonna go it's a what have you done for me lately? Business?
Speaker 1: So I'm still if I'm if I'm Zach Martin, I
Speaker 1: feel better with Leo Collins. I wonder if I wonder
Speaker 1: if he's I'm sure this. He's been a part of
Speaker 1: that conversation, right, He's had to be. Do you think
Speaker 1: they would include him on that process? For him, I
Speaker 1: could guarantee you that. I mean, when he steps to
Speaker 1: the line of screams, you look over he's like, we
Speaker 1: can't do this or we can't do this. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like us coming into the studio and not having
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips. I mean, we're still gonna have a fun show.
Speaker 1: But Rob Phillips, it's not the same. It's not there's
Speaker 1: a mindset deal with it. It's the same thing with
Speaker 1: Zach Martin in the way that he has a guy
Speaker 1: to Let's just say that this offensive line in totality
Speaker 1: is struggled. Let's go to the Chris Jones game and say, hey,
Speaker 1: even Zach Martin got some business in the Kansas game.
Speaker 1: Do we have to go to the Christians? Oh? No,
Speaker 1: we got to because we're saying that Jonathan Allen is
Speaker 1: the smaller size of that man that gave us trouble
Speaker 1: in the A Gap. We have to return to that.
Speaker 1: But I think the thing is is that we continue
Speaker 1: to pile on the running game and ask how can
Speaker 1: we get this thing re established without giving credence to
Speaker 1: the fact that we've been having different faces at the
Speaker 1: offensive line. That's all I'm saying. And I just think
Speaker 1: that continuity with Zach Martin and be oddish on the
Speaker 1: right side, I feel better about that. Yes, he hit
Speaker 1: me with the high I believe that a little. That's it,
Speaker 1: all right, That's how we're gonna on the show. That's
Speaker 1: how we're done. It's like it's like the White's buying
Speaker 1: your fresh pair of fresh packs of draws. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like they did not, none of we
Speaker 1: ever gonna get broken on back to the draws draws.
Speaker 1: Wasn't that a terrance steal conversation? We were talking about steal?
Speaker 1: Ain't we fresh pair of draws? You do? You want
Speaker 1: to have the same fourteen pairs of draws? Or you
Speaker 1: want to have a fresh rotation or new one's coming
Speaker 1: new packs? Well, I think the fresh rotations, the fresh rotation.
Speaker 1: I want the one I want the ones that nights
Speaker 1: are broken in. We could have said that with shirts.
Speaker 1: We could have said it draws. Everybody can relate to draws,
Speaker 1: especially the fellas. You don't want the fresh drawls. I
Speaker 1: got this anyways, Next show, where's Tommy John Where we
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