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Speaker 1: Manage you can see him. He's crestfallen. This it's Dan

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Speaker 1: Patch right, it's hour or two on this Thursday. Dan

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Speaker 1: third baseman, Anthony Rendon seven years to forty five. But

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Speaker 1: the bigger news is there is a rule that was

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Speaker 1: didn't even know about this. We didn't know about this.

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Speaker 1: A three batter minimum for relief pitchers. So we'll talk

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Speaker 1: to Tom Berducci who will join us coming up. Been

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Speaker 1: quite a week for Scott Boris, the agent to the stars,

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Speaker 1: as he has signed contracts close to eight hundred million

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Speaker 1: do the math. Scott Boris had a great week. Kawhi

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Speaker 1: got his ring in Toronto last night. The game itself

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Speaker 1: He's not concerned about that. He's probably not on social media,

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Speaker 1: doesn't care about likes, he doesn't care about anything. It's

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Speaker 1: A great player, just doesn't care. He got his ring.

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Speaker 1: Nice little ceremony there in Toronto last night. You got

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Speaker 1: that'll be a coming up. Thursday Night Football, and a

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Speaker 1: Pete what do you have as far as the poll question? Mclovin,

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Speaker 1: We're going to put up the three battered minimum rule

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Speaker 1: He said, I've actually four it, and everyone else here

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Speaker 1: Very interesting. I had a couple of things here. Reggie

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Speaker 1: Alvin Gentry is the head coach of the Pelicans. Gentry

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Speaker 1: Here's another story. The NFL's dragging its feed on Antonio Brown.

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Speaker 1: If you don't have him, you're not going to have much.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know what the severity of this injury is.

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Speaker 1: They can't win with just Edelmann. They I mean they

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Speaker 1: Are you a favorite of three batter minimum rule? Sixty

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Speaker 1: let me start with this three batter rule for relief pitchers,

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Speaker 1: because I don't feel that bad that I didn't know

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Speaker 1: like there is a loophole or two? Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know managers and baseball people, they'll find a way.

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Speaker 1: It is there. I mean, if a guy complains that

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Speaker 1: he's got a stomach ache or a cramp or something else,

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Speaker 1: not going to turn up on an MRI where you

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Speaker 1: need proof. How are you going to say the guy

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Speaker 1: was faking it? You know that is a loophole. I

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Speaker 1: don't know how often guys would try it, But here's

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Speaker 1: the saying you were throwing some number out there, Dan,

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Speaker 1: This rule is not worth the cost of messing with

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Speaker 1: the strategy of the game. I figured out that if

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Speaker 1: it were in place in twenty nineteen, it would affect

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Speaker 1: one game every three or four games in the course

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Speaker 1: of a year, about seven hundred to eight hundred pitching

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Speaker 1: appearances of one or two batters that do not finish

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Speaker 1: the happening. You know what that works? Out to the

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Speaker 1: average how much time you're saving in the average game

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Speaker 1: forty four seconds. You are changing the ways a manager

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Speaker 1: can run a game for the sake of forty four seconds.

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Speaker 1: Nobody will notice that. Nobody. Okay, but why did these

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Speaker 1: moves actually well, because in twenty fifteen, when things were

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Speaker 1: really getting crazy with pitching moves, you know, be the

447
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Speaker 1: lefty came in and the the righty came in, and that

448
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Speaker 1: seemed to get a hand and people, just as baseball

449
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Speaker 1: people like to dude, complaining about it and started extrapolating

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Speaker 1: it out, what's going to happen next, We gonna have

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Speaker 1: twenty seven pitchers for twenty seven outs. But actually, in

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Speaker 1: the last four years it's gone down by twenty percent.

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Speaker 1: It's not nearly the issue that it was back four

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Speaker 1: years ago. So it's a solution in search of a problem. Listen,

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Speaker 1: the biggest biggest problem in baseball at the time in

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Speaker 1: between pitches. While these pitching changes have been going down

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Speaker 1: in terms of the short one time of game has

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Speaker 1: been going up because they've added between two and three

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Speaker 1: seconds per pitch. That's fifteen to twenty minutes of absolutely

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Speaker 1: nothingness in the course of the game. That's what they

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Speaker 1: have to address. Do you think there'll be any modifications

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Speaker 1: before they started next season to this rule? Well, I

463
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Speaker 1: think it's such a stupid rule. I saw a long

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Speaker 1: push comes to show we get to opening day and

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Speaker 1: they said, okay, we won't go ahead and implement it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, then you got to find me a manager

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Speaker 1: who a knows about the rules you just alluded to,

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Speaker 1: and b actually likes the rule. What manager would like

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Speaker 1: a rule that tells him how he can deploy his

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Speaker 1: personnel to win a baseball game. I can't and think

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Speaker 1: of a rule or Baseball went out of their way

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Speaker 1: to put a handcuff on a manager for the sake

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Speaker 1: of one pitching change every three or four games. Talking

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Speaker 1: to Tom Produci supports Illustrated also MLB Network, MLB on

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Speaker 1: Fox recap Free Agency here, where would you start? Good

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Speaker 1: week for Scott Boris. You know, we knew he had

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Speaker 1: the three biggest guys coming in, but as opposed to

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Speaker 1: the last few years when the winters were so slow

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Speaker 1: and waiting didn't pay off, Scott changed his tactics and

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Speaker 1: to his pod defense too. These were just super players

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Speaker 1: that where people wanted to get out there early. I

482
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Speaker 1: thought he'd a great old key was getting Strasbourg signed

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Speaker 1: back with the team. He wanted to go to a

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Speaker 1: contract that really surprised people. And once that cornerstone was laid,

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Speaker 1: then Garrett Cole was right on top of that. And

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Speaker 1: then once the Angels didn't get together they really wanted call,

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Speaker 1: they pivoted in a hurry to Rendon. So the pace

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Speaker 1: of it was crazy, but I'm not surprised with where

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Speaker 1: the individual players wound up. But it was kind of

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Speaker 1: a world win there for the last three days. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was surprised with Rendon. I didn't know if he

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Speaker 1: wanted to go to the West Coast. You mentioned the Dodgers.

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Speaker 1: They didn't get Rendon, they didn't get Cole. Does that

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Speaker 1: mean they had a bad off season. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: But they're the most fascinating team because they've been in

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Speaker 1: it and been connected to a lot of huge names,

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Speaker 1: and there's many paths that they could go. Their play

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Speaker 1: already was Garrett Cole. They just couldn't win the recruiting

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Speaker 1: war with the New York Yankees. Yankees went a little

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Speaker 1: bit farther in terms of the terms of the contract.

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Speaker 1: I just quite frankly sold him a little bit better

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Speaker 1: than Dodgers. Did you know a lot of rumors about

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Speaker 1: Lindor winding up in la I think it's a perfect fit,

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Speaker 1: but I think it's gotten ridiculous with some of the

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Speaker 1: names that are being thrown out there. Every day. There's

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Speaker 1: a different name with Eronado, its Bets, it's Lindor, it's Eager.

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Speaker 1: There's very rarely that these star players get traded. Chris

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Speaker 1: Bryant and in fact general managers telling me it's harder

509
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Speaker 1: than ever to trade big time names. So what the

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Speaker 1: Dodgers next move is, I'm not sure. I think they

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Speaker 1: need another start pitcher. Giants fans would hate this, but

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Speaker 1: I'd love to see mad Bum in a Dodger uniform.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's the kind of pitcher. Let's face it, Dan,

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Speaker 1: that team needs to not just to get to the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: We've seen that before, but the women the darn thing.

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Speaker 1: And right now, the number two starter to postseason environment

517
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Speaker 1: would be Clayton Kershaw. And you know, we know what

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Speaker 1: his track record is. If it was your money and

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Speaker 1: not Artie Moreno's, and you could have Garrett Cole at

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Speaker 1: that price or Anthony Rendon at that price, No, I'd

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Speaker 1: go Cole for sure. I just think they they had

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Speaker 1: an uphill battle all the way of the Angels. They

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Speaker 1: had to convince Garrett Call that they're going to win

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Speaker 1: sooner rather than later. I mean, the Dodgers and the

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Speaker 1: Yankees have ready made World Series contenders. Angel just couldn't

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Speaker 1: do that with Garrett Cole. So I do like the

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Speaker 1: way they pivoted to Anthony Rendon, best position player on

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Speaker 1: the market. I think that team's gonna be lost fun

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Speaker 1: to watch. I don't know how many games they'll win,

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Speaker 1: but Rendon and Trout and Otani betting back to back

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Speaker 1: to back is pretty cool. I would go out and

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Speaker 1: get Dallas Kaiko if I were them, because now with

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Speaker 1: that left side of the endfield without Trenton, Simmons and Rendon,

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Speaker 1: I mean, just let it hit groundballs to the left side.

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Speaker 1: Those guys will go get everything they do need, at

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Speaker 1: least another starting pitcher, whether it's Reu Kaiko, bum Gardener

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Speaker 1: or some good arms out there trading for Corey Klueber's

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Speaker 1: definitely in their crosshairs as well. They're not done yet,

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Speaker 1: but that was a mean I called it an ankle

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Speaker 1: breaker of a pivot by the Angels. We didn't get

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Speaker 1: garat cole All right, let's cook it, Anthony Reddendome, we've

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Speaker 1: got more information. I guess the study was done with

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Speaker 1: professors on the baseballs and we realized that, you know,

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Speaker 1: part of the spike and home runs had to do

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Speaker 1: with the seams being raised on baseballs. Now, is that

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Speaker 1: using a baseball in a different way, said doctoring a

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Speaker 1: baseball like like what, I don't know who to point

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Speaker 1: a finger at and say, well, wait, you raise the seams.

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Speaker 1: Did you raise them on purpose? Here? And how much

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Speaker 1: of an impact did that have on launch angle and

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Speaker 1: drag and all this other stuff that we're talking about. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they said about sixty percent of this was due to

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Speaker 1: the lower seams of the baseball. Is because of what

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Speaker 1: we've all been watching, the way guys are swinging the

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Speaker 1: bat now. They call it the launch angle revolution, get

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Speaker 1: the ball in the air, more flyballs, more home runs.

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Speaker 1: But the seams are definitely lower. Why they that's the question, right,

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Speaker 1: And the report did go out of its way to

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Speaker 1: say that they found nothing, no evidence anyway that this

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Speaker 1: was done intentionally. I think it's got a lot to

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Speaker 1: do with manufacturing. Dan That manufacturing process is just so

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Speaker 1: better that the baseballs are tighter. The seams are tighter,

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Speaker 1: and that makes them lower. So the ball that has

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Speaker 1: lower seams is going to have less drag as it

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Speaker 1: goes in the air. And you say, well, what kind

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Speaker 1: of a difference could it make? If that makes a

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Speaker 1: lot of difference on why balls when you're talking about

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Speaker 1: another ten or fifteen feet of carry. I think baseball

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Speaker 1: needs to do a better job. And they know this

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Speaker 1: of just maintaining the integrity of the baseball, how they're manufactured,

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Speaker 1: how they're stored. They realized that the ball was flying

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Speaker 1: really far and surprisingly so last year, But they can't

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Speaker 1: tell us an absolute reason why the seams will lower,

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Speaker 1: you know, and they've basically owned rawlings. The company makes it,

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Speaker 1: they supervise the manufacturing process. They have to come up

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Speaker 1: with it tas or reasons why it's happening. The Astros investigation,

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Speaker 1: what do you think the possible punishments are? This is

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Speaker 1: going to be big, Dan, I mean, you've probably heard

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Speaker 1: the Commissioner yesterday say this is the most thorough investigation

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Speaker 1: the Office of the Commissioner in Baseball has ever undertaken.

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Speaker 1: I mean, when you think about you know, biogenesis down

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Speaker 1: in Miami, the George Steinbran investigation, the Pete Rose investigation,

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Speaker 1: and here we're talking about the mother of all commissioner investigation.

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Speaker 1: That tells me this is huge. We know that they

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Speaker 1: have more than seventy thousand emails, we know that they

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Speaker 1: have phone records, instant messages, they've interviewed more than seventy people.

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Speaker 1: In fact, this thing has gone on longer because they're

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Speaker 1: just buried by a mountain of just evidence that they

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Speaker 1: have to go through. So I think it's going to

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Speaker 1: be something like the NCAA institutional control more than individual

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Speaker 1: suspensions and find There'd probably be some of those two,

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Speaker 1: but I think the biggest hammer will be on the

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Speaker 1: Astros in terms of the size of the fine and

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Speaker 1: how many draft picks that they've los. I'm talking about

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Speaker 1: two to three years worth of first round draft picks,

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Speaker 1: taking away international draft picks, because the way to hurt

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Speaker 1: baseball team is now is not to find them. As

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Speaker 1: we've seen this week, they've got a lot of money.

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Speaker 1: You really restrict their access to talent taking away those

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Speaker 1: draft picks. That that I think is going to be

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Speaker 1: whatever number that is, how many years I think that's

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Speaker 1: going to be the biggest hammer. But this might mean

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Speaker 1: a silly question, and I'll preface this by saying that

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Speaker 1: could they strip them of the World Series style? No,

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's going that far. I don't know

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Speaker 1: Dan that the evidence. Listen, I don't know what evidence

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Speaker 1: they have, and know some of the things that we've

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Speaker 1: all written, heard and seen, but I don't think this

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Speaker 1: is going to say that games in the World Series

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Speaker 1: or alcs were influenced directly. That's that's a different animal

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Speaker 1: to try to really define there, I mean all of us.

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Speaker 1: That's the shame of this, right. It's kind of like steroids.

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Speaker 1: Whether guys did or didn't and the guy has a

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Speaker 1: big home running year you say, well he must have.

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Speaker 1: We don't know that. So that's what's happening here with

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Speaker 1: the Astros. Everything that they've done is now in question,

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Speaker 1: even if not literally everything is. But this is on

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Speaker 1: them putting themselves in this such a where they're subject

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Speaker 1: to such suspicion. And I know I asked this of

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Speaker 1: you before, and you have to tread lightly because you

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Speaker 1: cover these guys, But do you think it is possible

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Speaker 1: that A J. Hine did not know anything about this

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Speaker 1: while managing the Astros. My guess is it's not possible

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Speaker 1: that he didn't know anything about it, because if you

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Speaker 1: are in the dugout, hard to miss the banging of

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Speaker 1: a trash can when you're in there, you know. Especially

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Speaker 1: My understanding is Dan, it went on for about a

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Speaker 1: three month period in the regular season of twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 1: If it was one game, I could say, well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: the manager might not know what was going on. But

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Speaker 1: if went on for that period of time, that, yes,

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Speaker 1: how complicit he was in this. Was he an active

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Speaker 1: participant and he discouraged it. Those are the things we

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Speaker 1: don't know, but awareness of it, I would say, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: great stuff. Tom would go to catch up with you. Thanks,

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Speaker 1: we appreciate your time. It's always great, Dan. Thanks, that's

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Speaker 1: Tom Berdute. We're till the strated senior baseball writer. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, you find the team, you take away draft picks.

639
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Speaker 1: The fact you got managers who didn't even know this

640
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Speaker 1: rule was going to be put in play for twenty

641
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Speaker 1: twenty I'm a higher on the rendon signing than I am.

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Speaker 1: You know that if they had gotten Garrett Cole, you know,

643
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Speaker 1: Cole was going to cost you about eighty million dollars

644
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Speaker 1: more and I know he's a wonderful pitcher on a

645
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Speaker 1: pitcher you need in the postseason. I got to get

646
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Speaker 1: to the postseason first, and I think Rendon gives you

647
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: a better chance to getting there than Garrett Cole does.

648
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Speaker 1: And they do have some pitching there. And if Otani

649
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Speaker 1: is able to come back, I don't know if you

650
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Speaker 1: have him still hitting and pitching. But you've got Joe

651
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Speaker 1: Madden in there. So the Angels will be entertaining, they'll

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Speaker 1: be fun. We'll take a break here, we'll get your

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Speaker 1: down the Bowl games, Paulie, because notre Dame's playing in

685
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Speaker 1: a bowl game that I didn't know existed. You mean

686
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Speaker 1: bowl game or not a bowl game? Is that what

687
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Speaker 1: you're asking? Can you Holiday tradition? And mcclevin, do you

688
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: have the odds for baseball or the Yankees the team

689
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: to be according to Vegas? Yes, I believe so. So

690
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: they moved from plus six hundre to plus four fifty

691
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Speaker 1: after the Garrett Cole sign and I believe that is

692
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Speaker 1: the number one. So right now it says they're co

693
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Speaker 1: favorites to win alongside the Dodgers. Let me double check that. Okay,

694
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Speaker 1: so we got to know from the Action Network of

695
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Speaker 1: Frenzy Action. Yeah, four fifty for the Dodgers and Yankees.

696
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Speaker 1: An't that interesting that here we are looking at the

697
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Speaker 1: Dodgers and saying they had a bad offseason, but they're

698
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Speaker 1: still co favorites to win the World Series. So I

699
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 1: don't know if they Just because you didn't get somebody

700
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you had a bad off season, because sometimes

701
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: you can have a signing where you go. Maybe that

702
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: wasn't a smart thing, and the Dodgers are still good here.

703
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Speaker 1: I don't know if they're going to move some people here,

704
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: but you know the way they're constituted that there still

705
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 1: looks like they're they're the team to beat in the

706
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Speaker 1: National League. Yes, but that's just because they're such a

707
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: heavy favorite in the National League that the odds improved. Well, yeah,

708
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Speaker 1: you're just trying to get to the World Series, So

709
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Speaker 1: what are the better odds? Best odds of getting to

710
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Speaker 1: the World Series. There might be another team that is

711
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Speaker 1: better than the Dodgers in the American League, but the

712
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Speaker 1: Dodgers have the best chance of getting to the World

713
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Speaker 1: Series in the National League. So I understand that. But

714
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Speaker 1: the Yankees did jump up a little bit there with

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Speaker 1: their odds. Yes, Paul, damn. We could play a bowl

716
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Speaker 1: game or not a bowl game tomorrow, but it starts

717
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Speaker 1: December twentieth with the first game is the makers wanted

718
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: Bahamas Bowl in Nassau, buff Hello versus Charlotte. That's a

719
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Speaker 1: real bowl. Didn't Buffalo play their last year? Oh they're

720
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Speaker 1: a fixture. I think they did. The tradition of Buffalo

721
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Speaker 1: and the makers are wanted. Jomas Ball goes back before. Okay,

722
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Speaker 1: but Notre Dame is playing in a bowl game that

723
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Speaker 1: I had not heard before. It's a camping Bowl. It

724
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Speaker 1: is a Campers Camping World Bowl in Orlando. I think

725
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Speaker 1: it used to be the Orlando Bowl. Okay, is this

726
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Speaker 1: the game for the Camper Bowl? Yes, no, No, it's

727
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,240
Speaker 1: been around at least four years. It was the Orlando

728
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Speaker 1: Bowl and then Campers World got onto that Goliath Camping World. Okay,

729
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: what about Cow? Cal is playing in a bowl game

730
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Speaker 1: that I didn't know existed. They play Illinois, don't they

731
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: the Red Box Bowl? Okay, I didn't know Illinois was

732
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: bull eligible ever, first of all. Yeah, but but Illinois

733
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,240
Speaker 1: is playing Cow. It said Cal's state on the official

734
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Speaker 1: program and shirts and release. It said Cal State for

735
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Speaker 1: UC Berkeley. Yeah, and you don't want to make that

736
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Speaker 1: mistake with Cal Berkeley. They're not cal State. Fuller two.

737
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Speaker 1: It really taints the Red Box Bowl. I mean, that's

738
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Speaker 1: that was a great day. We were all expecting. What

739
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: is what is red Box? It's a thing where you

740
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Speaker 1: could rent DVD box outside of like a convenience store.

741
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, And they're they're gonna play

742
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Speaker 1: this game in San Francisco. It's to be outside another bowl.

743
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: There'll be a bowl going on and then this bowl

744
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: game will be played outside at a red field ye,

745
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: kind of obvious. Now, do you have the gifts that

746
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Speaker 1: are gonna be handed out to the student athletes? I

747
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 1: can have that Tomorrow's okay, that'll be good. I always

748
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: love that. Yes, when you run down all these bowl games, though,

749
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Speaker 1: it's it's a sea of endless six and six versus

750
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Speaker 1: seven and five matchup. It's two lane versus Southern myths.

751
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: It's Nevada versus Ohio. It's they're all six and six

752
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: versus seven and five. But this is Notre Dame is

753
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: playing Iowa State. I believe Iowa State had six losses.

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Speaker 1: Does that sound right, mclovin. When you have the star

755
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: power of a bruck party, though, you want that on

756
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Speaker 1: display against the quality opponent. But man'll dart the heisman

757
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Speaker 1: march right now. I guess how the might be a

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Speaker 1: fall in Notre Dame playing Iowa State? Is that right, mclovin,

759
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,240
Speaker 1: I'm still confirming their record. Yeah, and there's on December

760
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Speaker 1: twenty eighth. That is not exactly a prime prime Bowl type.

761
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Speaker 1: But if we play Bowl not a ball this year,

762
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 1: it'll be harder than ever be. These names are so

763
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: silly it is unbelieved. Don't tell her that don't spoil it. Okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm curious about that. By the way, after a shocking

765
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Speaker 1: defeat on match day five, Arsenal faces elimination from h Well,

766
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Speaker 1: that'll be match day six. You can stream their UEFA

767
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,959
Speaker 1: Europa League match. That'll be today at three eastern only

768
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Speaker 1: on br line. Yes, mclev so I always say you're

769
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Speaker 1: right at seven and five. They're only I've seen and

770
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Speaker 1: I have to double check that they're three and a

771
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: half point of underdogs to Notre Dame probably mostly U. Yeah,

772
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 1: there was an open line of three point five. Wow,

773
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 1: but that might have moved what happened to Notre Dame.

774
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 1: I thought they were even in contention for parts of

775
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: this year. Five number fifteen, fifteen is not that bad. Yeah,

776
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: they're always propped up, but Notre Dames should be in

777
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: the top ten every year. Still, Yeah, why not? I

778
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 1: feel like it's from the outside, it's the academics. Is

779
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: it's still the academic Let's face it, like your note

780
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 1: name in your Stamford really good schools, they're really hard

781
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: to get into. Okay, so it is Florida, Yeah, I know,

782
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 1: look at that program. I don't know why they're always

783
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 1: top ten they haven't won anything in ten years. I

784
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: know whenever I see a matchup, it'll be a Florida

785
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: versus Georgia. I'll Florida is just not that good. But

786
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:02,399
Speaker 1: they're they're like a top ten team. Actually, Michigan could

787
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: use that. They have very high say t yeah, that

788
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: would explain Ohio State. And I'm just getting I mean,

789
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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to get Michigan off the hook for

790
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: living oh Do you think that that's Jim Harball's strategy?

791
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: At one point during a press conference, Hey, it's tougher

792
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: to get into Michigan than it is Ohio State. The

793
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: best he's got right out there. He's running out of

794
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: excuses there. I still hear from people thinking that there's

795
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: the possibility that he would go back and coach in

796
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: the NFL, and I just don't get it. I still

797
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: feel like he thinks and he's so competitive that he's

798
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 1: going to get this right at Michigan until they force

799
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: him out. I do think Urban Meyer, if he coaches again,

800
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: is coaching in the NFL. I do think so. I

801
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,479
Speaker 1: think he realizes, and this is what I was told

802
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 1: yesterday during the show, that Urban may realize that Urban

803
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: is toxic when it comes to a college campus. And

804
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 1: that's why he's interested in the Dallas Cowboys. I don't

805
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: know if he's sitting in Cleveland Browns or the Redskins

806
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: where he could be reunited with Dwayne Hoskins. I don't

807
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: know any of that. I only know what I was

808
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: told yesterday. He is. I know there's interest from the

809
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: Cowboys with Urban Meyer, and now you know, I realized

810
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: that Urban has interested in the Dallas Cowboys. Yes, I'm

811
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Speaker 1: I was surprised that you say Jim Harball wouldn't be

812
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: tempted at all by DATAFLA say like the best jobs

813
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Speaker 1: best they say they're seven openings, and the best one

814
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: called him. He's not even going to consider. I don't

815
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: you know. This is his alma mater and and he

816
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 1: feels more like a college coach. His dad lives next door.

817
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: He's done a good job, he just hasn't done a

818
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: great job. And we're waiting for that because of all

819
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: the attention that he gets. You keep saying, Okay, now,

820
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: win a big game, that's what you're waiting for from

821
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: Jim Harball. But look, watching that Ohio State Michigan game,

822
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: there was a big separation in talent. You know, there

823
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: was I don't I don't care how good a coach

824
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: harball is, you're it's really hard to out coach talent.

825
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: And Ohio State had that was like SEC elite athleticism.

826
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: In my opinion, when I when I watched LSU play,

827
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: I see just a whole different set of athletes there.

828
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 1: Like it's just from the quarterback on down, like everybody

829
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Speaker 1: is just No, that's a different speed that they you know,

830
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: they play the game up, you know, and there's SEC talent,

831
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Speaker 1: and it feels like there's everybody else. Ohio State when

832
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 1: Urban went there, wanted to turn it into an SEC's

833
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: football program, and he certainly did that before he left.

834
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Speaker 1: Yeah points, since both Schembechler left Michigan eighty nine, Gary

835
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: Moeller won seventy five percent of his games. Lloyd Carr

836
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: won seventy five percent of his games. Then it got ugly.

837
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: Rich Rodriguez won forty percent, Brady Hook won sixty percent,

838
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Speaker 1: Jim harbaw is winning seventy five percent of his Yeah,

839
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,879
Speaker 1: but is that that is that a numb It comes

840
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: down to the Ohio State game. Everything else is they

841
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: would love to beat nine and two and beat Ohio State.

842
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: If they beat Ohio State this year but they didn't

843
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: win the Big Ten. It feels like, you know, as

844
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: Michigan fans would probably go okay, all right, progress here,

845
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: but you're getting blown out. These aren't even close games.

846
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,040
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