1 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff Mom Never Told You from House Supports 2 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: dot Com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Kristen 3 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: and I'm Caroline. And Caroline. What a it has been. 4 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: It's really been the fifteen eest of the fifteen. Yeah, 5 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's been kind of the biggest 6 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: fifteen we've ever had. Yeah, I would say so. The 7 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: most dramatic, the most hilarious, I know, the most heartwarming 8 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: and heartbreak. It's really like a Hallmark Channel movie, all 9 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: of the emotions, yeah, all smashed together in one glorious 10 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: and sometimes awful year. Yeah. Yeah, it was definitely lots 11 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: of both of those, glorious and heartbreaking and awful. And 12 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 1: last year we did a Stuff Mom Never Told You 13 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: Year in review because listeners, In case you didn't know, 14 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,639 Speaker 1: we put out a lot of podcasts. It turns out 15 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: we do two a week. God, there's so many. So 16 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 1: we really enjoy taking this time during the holiday season 17 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: to look back at what we've talked about and sort 18 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 1: of see where some of those topics are sitting today 19 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 1: and things that have happened. And we also wanted to 20 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: take some time to look outside the podcast that the 21 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: big issues relevant to gender women and stuff. Mom never 22 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 1: told you going on outside our studio and some of 23 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: the women who shaped the year, Caroline and myself not included, 24 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: of course. So Caroline, is it just me or does 25 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: it feel like we talked about Taylor Swift five years ago? 26 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I know, I can't believe that that 27 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: was just a year ago. And it was we recorded 28 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: it in our old studio space before we moved to 29 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: a different office in Atlanta, So it's super feels like 30 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: it was a long time ago. And Taylor Swift has 31 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: not stopped making news. I mean, I've like I shouldn't 32 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: have to tell people that, Like, of course you probably 33 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: know that unless you live under a rock. But Taylor 34 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: Swift has been pretty much consistently making headlines for better 35 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: for worse since we talked about her a year ago. Yeah, 36 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: and it's interesting to see how much patience or impatience 37 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: are Facebook fan base has whenever we post something about 38 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift, because she's still a divisive figure for some people. 39 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: Well yeah, and I mean she continued her fight against 40 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: like Big Music, which is funny because she's part of 41 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: Big Music. But she did fight back against Apple's newly 42 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 1: released streaming service Apple Music. She pinned this open letter 43 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 1: in June, slamming them for their decision not to pay 44 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: artists during an initial three month free trial, which uh was, 45 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: you know, supposed to get everybody on board, and that's 46 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: great and that's wonderful. You can offer free music as 47 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: a park to your customers. However, why should that come 48 00:02:56,600 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: at the cost of not paying your artists? And Taylor 49 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: Swift was saying, like, I didn't really expect it to 50 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: go anywhere. And then it turns out that Apple was like, oh, okay, 51 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: you're right, Slash, We're scared of you ladies, So they 52 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: decided that they would pay artists. Yeah, I mean I 53 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 1: feel like Taylor Swift really one. I mean she brought 54 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 1: literally every celebrity you could ever think of up on 55 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: stage for concert. That would be some people's argument for 56 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: why she didn't win. What do tell kill? I know 57 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: not everyone agrees on things, can you believe it? Yeah, 58 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: there's a lot of talk of Taylor basically being the 59 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: poster child for hashtag white feminism and for appropriating squad 60 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: goals and things of that nature. How are you appropriate? 61 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: How are squad goals something that you can appropriate? Well, 62 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: a lot of people were saying that Taylor Swift tried 63 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: to appropriate black cool and in what way? Though? I mean, 64 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: I understand what the Shake It Off video that was 65 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: kind of a blatant uh moment of appropriation. And then 66 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: of course in the video that she shot that was 67 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: had the very out of Africa the movie looked to 68 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: it where it was like white Africa Safari and that 69 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: was an issue. But in terms of appropriating, I feel 70 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: like Taylor Swift as the bodiment of like White Girl. 71 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:18,119 Speaker 1: Though well, basically a lot of people, in a whole 72 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 1: bunch of pop culture think pieces took issue with the 73 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: fact that Taylor and her basically like social media promotional 74 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 1: machine kept using squad to refer to all of the 75 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 1: you know, gorgeous, whispy models that she was bringing on 76 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: stage and going on trips with and taking pictures with 77 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: on Instagram and all that stuff, when actually and treating 78 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: it like she had invented it, when as when, as 79 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: jenn Nickmayard over at The Guardian points out, this is 80 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: something that had been used in rap and hip hop 81 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: for a long time, and they were just throwing up 82 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: their hands being like are you kidding? Like why are 83 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: we attributing all of this pop culture stuff to Taylor 84 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,919 Speaker 1: Swift and saying that White was invented everything. So not 85 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 1: everybody was a fan of chee Swizzle this year or 86 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 1: any year. Tesel is never gonna win when everybody but 87 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:12,359 Speaker 1: there was um a Taylor Swift moment that relates to 88 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: another interesting thing that happened outside the podcast studio in 89 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 1: when she was on the cover of Maxim's first revamped 90 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: issue where they kind of claimed to be going more feminist, 91 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 1: and the issue, for instance, included a foreword by Roxanne 92 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: Gay and they brought on a female editor who wanted 93 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: to sort of change shift away from the cheesecake hyper 94 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 1: objectifying of women angle that Maximus had for so long. 95 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 1: And then, of course, on the heels of it, a 96 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 1: number of months later, we have Playboy announcing that it's 97 00:05:51,720 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: shuttering it's nude centerfolds. Um, because nudity is so blase, now, boobs, 98 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: who I mean you? First of all, Internet porn is 99 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: mostly free. You can see whatever you want with uh 100 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: the internet, so it makes sense that playboys doing it. 101 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 1: But I love these arguments that, like, there were a 102 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: couple of things of oh, is Playboy going more feminist? 103 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: And I don't know that the absence of naked centerfolds 104 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 1: equals feminism. Thank you, thank you. Well, that's exactly what 105 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: I was thinking when you talked about when you just 106 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: mentioned maxim going like more feminist or like the perception 107 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: of it going quote unquote more feminist. And it's like, guys, guys, 108 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 1: just because women are involved with something doesn't make it 109 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: necessarily feminist. It just means, like you were saying, like 110 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: maybe there's not boobs in your face all the time, 111 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: necessarily naked boobs. And also, I did find it funny 112 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:56,919 Speaker 1: to see a lot of reactions online to the Playboy 113 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 1: announcement of people being like thanks a lot like feminist 114 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: PC police, like you're just taking away all of our 115 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: fun times. And it's like, well, you know, but you 116 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: have like the whole internet, you know, this thing that's 117 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: the Internet where you can see boots anytime you want. Yeah, 118 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: I mean, and these are business decisions too. I mean, 119 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: people believing that the heads of these companies are so 120 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: convicted by you know, Simone de Beauvoir that they're like, oh, well, 121 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: we need to act this feature from our products is 122 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just kind of laughable and it was 123 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: something that I was thinking of far more recently when 124 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: the Pirelli calendar came out and went viral, and of 125 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: course it contained all of these um talented and some 126 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: self identified feminist women like Tobby Gibnson and Amy Schumer 127 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: and you have fran Lebowitz and all of these um 128 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: other women rather than going the sexy or hyper sexy 129 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: route that Peirelli has traditionally gone and people, of course 130 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: we're hailing it as a feminist thing, but in reading 131 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: the New York Times style piece about it, they interviewed 132 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: um uh woman in the industry who was basically like, 133 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: I mean, feminism is so hot right now. Of course 134 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: we're not going to go with these, you know, half 135 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: naked women when that just doesn't look good for the brand. 136 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: I mean, smart women are very on brand right now, 137 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: which is great. I mean that's it's I'm not I'm 138 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: not upset about that. But I think conflating all of 139 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: this is a short sighted and waters down what feminism 140 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: is all about. It goes back to our Our Hope 141 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: Feminism episode where we talked about is that what we 142 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: call it? What do we call it? It was the 143 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: feminism in Fashion episode where we discussed people like Karl 144 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 1: Lagerfeld and so many others sort of trading on this 145 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: moment that, um, I don't want to say girl power 146 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: and make you think of like the weak water down 147 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: two thousands are us bice girls feminism, But like how 148 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 1: woman power is having a moment and it's like cool 149 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: to talk about negotiating a higher salary and everything. It's like, 150 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: so let's trade on this and make money off of 151 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:12,559 Speaker 1: it and and use it as a way for us 152 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: to get our brand and our name and our image 153 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: into the popular conversation. And yes, do I think it's 154 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: kind of gross? Yeah, but does it also have the 155 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: upside of getting people talking about it? Like that's great? 156 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: You know. I I pick up Glamour magazine or Marie 157 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: Claire time and again and more and more. They're having 158 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: all of these great not only women's centric feature articles, 159 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: but powerful women's centric features. Even Cosmo, which it was 160 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: my favorite magazine to rag on forever, Like I could 161 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: not stand Cosmopolitan magazine. Even they are having like raw 162 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: ra go women features in their magazine. Oh, they're doing 163 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: so much incredible reporting these days. Seeing with l magazine, 164 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:02,199 Speaker 1: I mean, the it's great at the audience is there 165 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: for it too, and women are age want it and 166 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: they want smarter media, and yeah, we still want the 167 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: beauty and style features as well, but the substance has 168 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: to be there too, and I think that the looking forward, 169 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:23,359 Speaker 1: what will be interesting to see is how this female empowerment, feminism, 170 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: however you want to call it, how that becomes more 171 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: and more monetized and corporatized as it will be because 172 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 1: these kinds of media images and advertisements obviously resonate with 173 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: so many people and go viral and get so much 174 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: brand attention. It'll be interesting to see how that whether 175 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: that does have any real world impact on the actual 176 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: issues involved with feminism and equality and even self esteem 177 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 1: and body image. Well, hopefully it will at the very 178 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: least normal lies conversations about this stuff, so that maybe 179 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:07,559 Speaker 1: a twelve year old girl reading Glamour will be able 180 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:10,319 Speaker 1: to grow up thinking like now I I can't ask 181 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: for a higher salary, you know, like that that would 182 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,719 Speaker 1: be amazing instead of just growing up worried about what 183 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: kind of lipstick or is it cream or or body 184 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:20,839 Speaker 1: type she should have? Well, and how do you think 185 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:25,719 Speaker 1: that it would impact boys perceptions of women? Because It's like, 186 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: we are the audience for all of these empowering articles 187 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: and inspirational always Naxipad commercials. But what is that teaching boys? Well, 188 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: I don't I mean, I don't know what is it 189 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: teaching boys? Is it? Is it showing them that like, oh, 190 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: the girls are talking amongst themselves about feminism and self esteem? 191 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 1: What I mean, I don't know, what do you think? 192 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: I just wonder if it is, you know, I just 193 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: I wonder how these these messages are are reaching boys 194 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: as well, because there's obviously so much conversation happening among 195 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: girls and women and guys need guys need those convosts too. 196 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: Not to be all binary about it his and hers, Well, no, absolutely, 197 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: I mean children in general would benefit from conversations about 198 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: self esteem, consent, um, about the fact that all the 199 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: people around you matter too, that this is not just 200 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 1: a world that's built for you, it's built for all 201 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: of us. Um. Would be great to teach kids empathy 202 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: and compassion. Uh, those are things that can benefit everybody well. 203 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:42,679 Speaker 1: Speaking of advertising and media literacy, there is another company 204 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: that's been having a bit of fun slash kind of 205 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: a headache with their advertising, and that is period panti 206 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 1: company thinks. Uh. They had some subway and taxi ads 207 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:58,199 Speaker 1: that were called too offensive because they featured just pictures 208 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 1: of women paired with picture of grapefruits or pictures of eggs. 209 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 1: And at first the transit authority was like, ah, I 210 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: don't know, this is it's too suggestive. It could it's 211 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: it's inappropriate. But there was such a backlash online that 212 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: they ended up relenting and letting the ads be published 213 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: on the subway. But the company that handles advertisements in taxis, 214 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: uh taxi cabs video screens, they shot it down. They 215 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 1: said it would be offensive to some of their writers. 216 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: Oh man, this has been such a year for women's 217 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: bodies being so offensive. We talked about free the nipple, 218 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: we talked about period pride, I mean speaking of thanks 219 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: and period panties, um, and it seems like ladies just 220 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: aren't having it no more. Yeah, there does seem to 221 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: be well, I don't know, maybe it's just me. There 222 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: just seems to be this exhaustion with like why are 223 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: you still so squeaked out about women's bodies? And I 224 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: would argue that that trickles down even to our conversation 225 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 1: about at leisure and how at leisure is clearly not 226 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: dressing for a male gaze. And I don't know if 227 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: you remember this night, Caroline, but a couple of months ago, 228 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: there was a feature on a Fox News morning show 229 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: where a panel of guys, including one of the Duck 230 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: Dynasty dudes f y I, were sat down and a 231 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: group of women in leggings were paraded in front of 232 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: them for the guys to evaluate whether or not these 233 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: women were appropriately dressed to be in public. And what 234 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: a train wreck it was? Astonishing. Yeah, I found myself 235 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: like watching with my hands on either side of my face, 236 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: very home alone, asked like this, this can't be happening. 237 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: It's and there is a news broadcaster that thinks it's 238 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: good news or good broadcasting practice to parade young, conventionally 239 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: attractive women in running gear essentially or yoga gear in 240 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: front of these men whose opinions don't matter. Are you okay? 241 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: Are you parading them around in front of like Michael 242 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: Cores for his fashion advice? Are you parading them around 243 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: in front of a personal trainer to give them fitness advice? 244 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: I could almost see those things, especially if the women 245 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: themselves were like I need fashion advice or I need 246 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: advice about to go on a job interview? Is appropriate outfit? 247 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: Help me please? But to parade them around in front 248 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: of like Rando's, including the Duck Dynasty guy, was horrifying 249 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: because they were like, oh my god, I can see 250 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: your whole leg or whatever. Well, I'm getting very for climped, 251 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: very for climped. Yes, I mean, because it was essentially 252 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: it was a contest to see, like how fast can 253 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: we sexualize these women. You know, let's let's look at 254 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: let's look straight their vice. Let's really break this down. 255 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: And I mean that that relates to as far as 256 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: younger girls, to all the conversations around dress codes. Oh, 257 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I love how tweet indeed, age girls also 258 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: are not having it in terms of those double standards. 259 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's hilarious. It's not hilarious, but it's 260 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: crazy to me. And it's fascinating to watch how these 261 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: like sixteen year old girls are finding their voices to 262 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: protest sexist dress codes. I mean, do you go to 263 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: school that has a dress code? Okay, cool, a lot 264 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: of us did, or do um Having a dress code 265 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: in of itself is not a bad thing, however, so 266 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: many young girls are finding their voice in order to 267 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: be like, listen, you can't say that I need to 268 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: be kicked out or suspended or be sent to the 269 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: principle because I have shorts on or a bit of 270 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: a bra strap showing and use the excuse that it's 271 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: going to be distracting to boys, because that's fair. That 272 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: is fair to no one. And it was so great 273 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: to see how the letters and petitions that these girls 274 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: were writing, we're just catching fire on the internet well, 275 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: and we can see similar impatience to happening within certain 276 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: professional fields and women. I mean, the conversations around women 277 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: and stem jobs science, technology, engineering, and math had a 278 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: number of viral moments where you had the hashtag distract 279 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: distracting lee sexy scientists and also this is what an 280 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: engineer looks like. I mean, there were just a lot 281 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: of moments of really great and humorous visibility of women 282 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:27,199 Speaker 1: in those fields saying, hey, we exist, this is what 283 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: I look like, this is what I'm doing, these are 284 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,439 Speaker 1: the places that I'm working in, the cool instruments that 285 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,719 Speaker 1: I'm using. And this year, throughout the podcast, we had 286 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:40,640 Speaker 1: a lot of great episodes looking at typically male dominated 287 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: professions and sort of charting the history of that. Yeah, 288 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 1: and I loved There was this Wired article I read 289 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: I guess there's a couple of weeks back now that 290 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: sort of looked at the whole women in science thing, 291 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 1: but also discrimination against women in science and also how 292 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 1: they were finally fighting back all over. And it listed 293 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: a bunch of examples, not all of which we talked 294 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: about on the podcast. Yes, there was the distractingly Sexy, 295 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 1: which came about when Nobel laureate Tim Hunt, who I 296 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: specified no about laureate because that's my way of saying 297 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 1: should know better, uh, said that scientists and labs were 298 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: distracting and he ended up losing his honorary professorship. But 299 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: lest you think it stopped there, we also had the 300 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 1: Rosetta Space probe scientists who wore that awful shirt that 301 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: was covered in pictures of scantily clad women. He caught 302 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 1: a lot of flak. A lot of men on the 303 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: internet did not understand why that man should be criticized, 304 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: but the guy ended up ti rely apologizing. You also 305 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: had it was not a great year for dudes talking 306 00:18:55,760 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 1: about ladies and astronomy. Famous Berkeley astronomer Exo Planet hunter 307 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:05,959 Speaker 1: Jeff Marcy has allegedly been sexually harassing students for years. 308 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 1: He ended up resigning in disgrace this year. And one 309 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: of the last points in this article about basically like 310 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: how things are kind of awful in science for women 311 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: in terms of harassment and discrimination, but how women are 312 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: basically talking back. Finally, virologist Alice Hwang, who's an advice 313 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: columnist for a career site run by the Journal Science, 314 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 1: was she's writing an advice column, right, and her answer 315 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: for a woman who was like, what do I do 316 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:38,880 Speaker 1: with my advisor staring down my shirt all the time? 317 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 1: Her answer is just like, to put up with it. 318 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: She's no longer writing that advice column. But the point 319 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: being with so many of these things is like you've 320 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,360 Speaker 1: always had women being discriminated against in the sciences, You've 321 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: always had women facing sexual harassment issues, but now there's 322 00:19:55,320 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: finally stuff like hashtag girls with toys, hashtag distractingly sexy 323 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: things that are finally drawing attention to the fact that, like, 324 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: you can't talk to us like this anymore. Come on, yeah, 325 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 1: I mean, And for podcast listeners who might want to 326 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: learn more and also hear about women who have been 327 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: paving the way for us today. We did two part 328 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 1: at the beginning of the year on astronomy, which was 329 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 1: so fascinating our stargazers too. Part was such an education 330 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: for me. To be honest, I did not know all 331 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,640 Speaker 1: that much about astronomy history. We talked about Margaret Mead 332 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 1: and anthropology, um, the contrast between architecture and interior design 333 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 1: and the gendering of those two professions were some really 334 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 1: fascinating conversations that we had as well. Also, women in 335 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: construction talk about sexual harassment on the job site. Yeah. 336 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: We also talked to Nia McLaughlin about what it's like 337 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: being a lady carpenter carpent tricks. Carpent tricks. Yeah, that's her, 338 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 1: her tumbler carpent tricks. Yeah. Yeah, we She was one 339 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,360 Speaker 1: of any fascinating people we had on the podcast this year. 340 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: We also talked to egyptologist Kara Cooney about hat cheps 341 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: It in our episode The Woman Pharaoh. She was a 342 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: fascinating interview and we got a lot of good response 343 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,439 Speaker 1: to that. I was super pleased that people loved it 344 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:18,719 Speaker 1: as much as we did. Yeah, who else we need 345 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: to shout out to uh for coming on the show 346 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: this year, Caroline. We also had Let's See In the 347 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: Single by Choice episode, I talked to sociologist Kinder at 348 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: lahad Uh. She's basically dedicated all of her research to 349 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: looking at the attitudes towards single women, particularly UH single 350 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,400 Speaker 1: women in what are called pro natal society. So like 351 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 1: the US is definitely a pro natal society, like get married, 352 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 1: have kids, but Israel is even more so, and she 353 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: lives in Israel. And that was a big one that 354 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 1: we got a lot of listener response froms well, a 355 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: lot of people being like, thank you for at least 356 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: addressing that, like maybe marriage isn't the end. I'll be 357 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:58,679 Speaker 1: all for everybody. We also talked to producer Sylvia Massey. 358 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: That was a fascinating in her review. She's worked with 359 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: a lot of big names in music, Let's see Kristin Ebling. 360 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 1: We chatted with her for our skate like a Girl Too. Parter. Yeah, 361 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 1: that was a good one and we had so many 362 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: podcast guests on. We talked to the host of Black 363 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: Girls talking of Throwing Shade Chicks who script Hilary Frank 364 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 1: of the Longest Shortest Time. That was a really fun 365 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: summer series and we just talked to Kevin and Demi 366 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 1: from The Gilmore Guys. I know, oh Man Gilmore Girls 367 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 1: one of our most hotly anticipated episodes. Those guys were 368 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: a delight. And the Gilmore Guys collectively are the second 369 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,120 Speaker 1: ever dudes on the podcast. Yeah, I think the first 370 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: was Jonathan a couple of years ago, right, jand of 371 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: Text Stuff. Yeah. And we also have to give a 372 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: shout out to our co workers Holly and Raquel. Holly 373 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: from History Stuff and Riquel who's a producer here at 374 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: How Stuff Works. Uh and a publisher I mean uh. 375 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 1: And of course Emily Hunt and Brooke Aaron Duffy. They 376 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 1: were on our Fashion Blogger episode two. Yeah, lots of 377 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: great feedback on that one. We have some Ashton Bloggos 378 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: and our audience who were definitely uh nodding their heads 379 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 1: in agreement about all of the invisible work that goes 380 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: behind that effortless perfection that you see all of our 381 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:16,439 Speaker 1: instagram Absolutely. Well, did you have I mean, we covered 382 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: so much this year, Kristen, did you have any episodes 383 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: that you were most excited to research or prepare for. Well, 384 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,400 Speaker 1: I don't know that I would call it excitement necessarily, 385 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: but the anxiety episode was one that I definitely anticipated 386 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,120 Speaker 1: learning more about because, as we talked about in great 387 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: detail in that episode, um, that was a personal subject. 388 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: So it was it was an opportunity to really dive 389 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: into my own issues, and it resonated so much with 390 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: our audience. I mean, it's it came out, you know, 391 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: not that long ago, and we still get We're still 392 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,919 Speaker 1: getting letters, you know, every week from from folks saying like, 393 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: this is what happens with me, Thank you so much. 394 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: We're talking about it. Um. So it was a really 395 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, it was educational, but it's also been 396 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,400 Speaker 1: kind of a bonding experience. Yeah, it for sure has. 397 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 1: It's really it's really struck me the letters we've been 398 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 1: getting in response to both the anxiety and the perfectionism 399 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:18,120 Speaker 1: episodes that people are like. I just didn't anticipate so 400 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,439 Speaker 1: many people saying thank you for helping me feel like 401 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: I'm not alone and that I'm normal in my weirdness. 402 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 1: I'm normal just like you are. So I was also 403 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: really excited to look into anxiety and perfectionism, but also 404 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: borderline personality disorder, which is not my own personal struggle. 405 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: But I was just so curious about it, because that's 406 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: another one of those health conditions that I feel like 407 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 1: people just tend to throw around or dismiss and just 408 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: call people crazy. So I was really looking forward to 409 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 1: sort of busting some myths and stereotypes about that one 410 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:54,239 Speaker 1: pop culturally. Um. An early episode from that was so 411 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: much fun, so fun. In fact, we made it a 412 00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:00,400 Speaker 1: two parter. I was women in Comics. Oh yeah, yeah again. 413 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: I forgot that we did that this year and it 414 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,439 Speaker 1: was a two parter. I know what it feels so 415 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 1: long ago. I know it was so long ago. But 416 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: that was another one where our fan base was really 417 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: excited about that. Well, everybody had so many great recommendations 418 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: to which I was so excited about because I don't 419 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: necessarily know the first thing about how to recommend comics 420 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 1: to anyone, but that's where our listeners stepped in and 421 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 1: had a great bunch of ideas. Yeah, and we have 422 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: a list of fifty uh comics by women over at 423 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: stuff I've never told you dot com that you can 424 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 1: check out if you are interested. Another big conversation that 425 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: struck a chord with our audience as well was maternity leave, 426 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 1: baby weight. All the scrutinizing of pregnant women's bodies in 427 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: the United States. Yeah, and we talked a lot about 428 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,719 Speaker 1: Princess Kate and also Kim Kardashian. And those are two 429 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 1: women who just had their each of them just had 430 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: their second child. So they are back in the news 431 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 1: cycle in terms of babyweight and bodies and oh when 432 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 1: are they going to fit back into their clothes? Was 433 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 1: and I just find myself shaking my head, like, come 434 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: on us weekly, here we go again, There we go again, Caroline. 435 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: Three women that we did not talk about on the 436 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 1: podcast this year that I would argue shaped at least 437 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: in the United States more than anyone else, and they 438 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 1: should have been the Trio co like Time Women of 439 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 1: the Year No Offense. Angela Merkel, Alicia Garza opal To 440 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 1: Mattie and Patrice Colors started Black Lives Matter, And I mean, 441 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:39,959 Speaker 1: I just I cannot think of any woman or women 442 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 1: who did more to start just like important conversations in 443 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: the United States. Well, the fact that they started it 444 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,679 Speaker 1: two years ago and that the the conversation has only 445 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,719 Speaker 1: picked up steam and that it is I mean, they 446 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: are three black women who started this to draw attention 447 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 1: to the killing of Trayvon Martin and how now their 448 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: movement has become like a true feet on the ground, 449 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 1: marching for rights movement out in the streets. Yeah, I 450 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,399 Speaker 1: mean it's like the civil rights movement of our time. 451 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,199 Speaker 1: Well yeah, but I mean not and I really do 452 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,159 Speaker 1: not mean this in a dismissive way, but it's like 453 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 1: the millennials version of the civil rights movement in terms 454 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 1: of they're not being necessarily a huge, top down structure, 455 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,199 Speaker 1: but it's more about just amplifying voices through social media, 456 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 1: getting the word out about whether it's protests or injustice 457 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: happening in this country. It's been an incredible unifying movement 458 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: to watch happen in this country. Well, and it's not 459 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: only of course, opened up so many conversations about race 460 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,439 Speaker 1: in the United States, but also about gender within the 461 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,880 Speaker 1: black community too. I mean, it's very notable that these 462 00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 1: are women who started this movement because civil rights was 463 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 1: not that the movement itself and its leadership structure wasn't 464 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: always the friendlies and most open toward women. I mean, 465 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: of course you have women like uh Daisy Bates and 466 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 1: other organizers doing things, but the overall structure was um 467 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 1: sometimes lady exclusive. Yeah. Yeah, I also wanted to mention. 468 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: Another name that jumped out to me this year was 469 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: Maria Geiss, who basically led the charge for women directors 470 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: in Hollywood. UM. I had read in October about how 471 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission had started interviewing all of 472 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 1: these lady directors in order to see what type of action, 473 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: if any, they should take to combat discrimination against female 474 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: film and TV directors. I didn't really know what was 475 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: behind it, and so I read this great article over 476 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 1: at the Hollywood Reporter about Maria Guys, who had effectively 477 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: been locked out of directing after ninety nine five UM, 478 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: and her reasoning behind it. She said, there were many triggers, 479 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: but the strongest was my realization that the virtual absence 480 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: of women directors in Hollywood was tantamount to the censoring 481 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: and silencing of female voices in US media, America's most 482 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: global export. And so she's essentially rallied a lot of 483 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: people to her cause to the point where now the 484 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: e o C is investigating. But this comes after the 485 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: Director's Guild of America president told her like, basically, can 486 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: you just sit down. I mean, women will get more 487 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 1: of a voice once minority men start to see more 488 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: of a voice as directors in Hollywood. It'll happen for 489 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: women to just just chill out. Oh wait our turn, Okay, yeah, 490 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: so just wait your turn. And she's somebody and uh, 491 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: you know, I'm sipping my hand, but I would love 492 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 1: to see if we could get her on the podcast in. 493 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: I mean, she has a lot of fascinating perspectives and 494 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: and the whole thing though about silencing and providing perspective 495 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 1: is something that we've all so heard from other female 496 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: directors and screenwriters, people like Ava du Verney, who has 497 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: been a huge voice in Hollywood this year for not 498 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:13,959 Speaker 1: only black women's representation behind the camera, but just diversifying perspectives. 499 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:15,959 Speaker 1: I mean, that woman got her own Barbie doll, I know, 500 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: and the Barbie doll is sold out in like seventeen seconds. 501 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 1: It was originally going to be just a special edition, 502 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: and then response was so massive across the internet. Mattel 503 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: was like, okay, well, well just you know, of course, 504 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: we want to sell more dolls. So they made it 505 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 1: into a regular run of a Barbie doll and sold out, 506 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: which is so notable too, because if you know much 507 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: about the history of dolls in the United States, they 508 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: have mostly been white. If you know anything about barbies, 509 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: you know so um that that she was a black 510 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: barbie who also has braids. I mean, there was people 511 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: were very excited that this was happening. Mean, even even 512 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: the doll, um, even the doll was excited. But yeah, 513 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: I mean even the doll was a milestone in our culture. Yes, 514 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: absolutely as well it should be and I really want one. 515 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 1: I mean, now that I have Amy and Tina action figures, 516 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 1: I think the Eva Diverney barbie is my next purchase. 517 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 1: They need a friend, they need a friend who can 518 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 1: direct them. Well. Another artist slash student who also started 519 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: a huge conversation and controversy along with that was Emma 520 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 1: Sulkowitz who's carry that Weight performance piece where she carried 521 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 1: her mattress around Columbia University in protest of the university 522 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 1: not kicking out uh, the guy that she alleged sexually 523 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: assaulted her. I mean, I feel like that was kind 524 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: of a visualization of this massive conversation and movement and 525 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 1: even White House initiative that really picked up steam in 526 00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: around the issue of campus sexual assault. And we'll see 527 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,239 Speaker 1: what happens. There was a recent report that pointed out 528 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: that legislators and at least twenty states this year introduced 529 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: bills to change how college administrators prevent and address sexual 530 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 1: violence on campus. That's not that's only a little over 531 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: half of our states. So we'll see how that progresses 532 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 1: in well. And I want to know to how the 533 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: California Bill of the Act of Consent Law that Jerry 534 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 1: Brown signed into law, how that has an impact as 535 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: well too, because that was a landmark piece of legislation, 536 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 1: basically saying no, this is what consent is, this is 537 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 1: what yes means. Yes you have to um. It added 538 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: much needed nuance to what consent means in legal forms 539 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: as well. And then because of the stuff I've never 540 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: told you, can we close out our year in review 541 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:56,719 Speaker 1: on a period shout out? Okay, So Kieran Gandhi I 542 00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: think was the face or or the men's fees of 543 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: a period pride in her marathon run sands tampon or 544 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: pad went viral and started a whole conversation about women's bodies, 545 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 1: free blading, free bleeding. Yeah, I got it started some 546 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 1: you know men's rights trolls, uh a hashtag in and 547 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: I just thought it was fantastic yeah, I thought it 548 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: was fantastic too, because it's just another woman saying like, 549 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: our bodies are not gross, are are bodily functions are 550 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: not disgusting? This is part of uh, this is just 551 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 1: part of my biology, So deal with it well. And 552 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: of course we've got to give a shout out to 553 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 1: our listeners. We have such fantastic and engage listeners, and 554 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 1: Caroline and I care about you all so deeply, and 555 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: we wanted to share some of the messages that you 556 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 1: all have been sending us about a variety of episodes, 557 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 1: because I mean, it's just so fun to hear the 558 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 1: diversity of experiences and opinions that you all always have 559 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 1: and share with us about all of the random topics 560 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 1: that we end up talking about on stuff I've never 561 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 1: told you. So let's share a few before we say 562 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: au revoir to at least part one of this year interview, 563 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,319 Speaker 1: because spoiler alert, we do have a part two and 564 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about even more women that we 565 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 1: didn't talk about in this episode, so you gotta stay 566 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 1: tuned for that. But in the meantime, let's hear from 567 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:40,719 Speaker 1: some listeners. I have a note here from Emma. She says, 568 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,839 Speaker 1: I got introduced to your show from my best friend 569 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 1: to Leaky. She's finished and I am Swedish and we 570 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,839 Speaker 1: both live in Norway. When I listened to your Free 571 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 1: the Nipple podcast, you kept saying normalizing the female body, 572 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 1: and it really made me realize how important that is. 573 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 1: I grew up in a culture where the sauna is 574 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 1: a regular family and friends activity. Here in Scandinavia, it's naked. 575 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,840 Speaker 1: None of this Bayther's non Since I keep encountering elsewhere, 576 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 1: I never knew how much this exposure to being naked 577 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 1: in a non sexual way has shaped me and my thoughts. 578 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 1: I saw my mom breastfeed in public, saw all my 579 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: female relatives naked, and my closest mail ones too. It 580 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 1: was never anything but normal. It gives you a view 581 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 1: of normal bodies, different ages, different shapes, and more acceptance. 582 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,440 Speaker 1: Being naked shouldn't be a state of shame. We're all 583 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,359 Speaker 1: naked under our clothes. I planned to expose my kids 584 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 1: to the same, given I can convince my French partner 585 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 1: to be more Scandinavian. I love your show. I hear 586 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 1: views and thoughts and issues that I haven't been exposed 587 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 1: to here in Scandinavia. And plenty that we have in common. 588 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 1: Thank you, Emma Well. One episode that we heard a 589 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 1: lot from listeners about as well was our Girls who 590 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 1: Lift podcasts on women and weightlifting, and Emily wrote us 591 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,239 Speaker 1: on Facebook to say, I was really excited to hear 592 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,920 Speaker 1: your episodes on Ronda Rousey and weightlifting in general. I 593 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,839 Speaker 1: actually listened to the Ladder while deadlifting. I started lifting 594 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,799 Speaker 1: about two years ago, and reading a searching I heard 595 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 1: a lot about how for many women it's hard to 596 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,400 Speaker 1: step into the weight room and take up space in 597 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 1: a male dominated environment. I count myself fortunate for the 598 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,319 Speaker 1: experiences I've had previously as a preteen at a camp 599 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 1: surrounded by guys, as well as through hiking the Appalachian Trail. 600 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 1: Both of these experiences made it way easier for me 601 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,400 Speaker 1: to get into the weight room without regard for it 602 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,320 Speaker 1: being a male dominated space. And she goes on to say, 603 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 1: I love the way my body looks when lifting regularly. 604 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,240 Speaker 1: In addition, as a person with an eating disorder, lifting 605 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:35,719 Speaker 1: has really helped me recover and reconnect with a positive 606 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,439 Speaker 1: body image. Being able to deadlift my own body weight 607 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,880 Speaker 1: really helps give me a sense of power and control 608 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,400 Speaker 1: that I was struggling with in my eating disorder. Anyway, 609 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,400 Speaker 1: thanks for doing the episode on weightlifting, especially on the 610 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,719 Speaker 1: history of women lifting, and thanks for the great podcast. 611 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 1: Well if we're gonna keep going because I love our listeners. 612 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 1: I have a letter here from Katie. She says, I'm 613 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 1: a freshman in high school. I've lived in the same 614 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 1: small town in Tech. This my whole life. It's pretty 615 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:05,719 Speaker 1: stereotypical and the conservative Christian. It's heritage, not hate. Way. 616 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,760 Speaker 1: Not to say I don't love it. Our football boys 617 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,360 Speaker 1: made State and I couldn't be prouder, but I digress. 618 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 1: I'm so thankful for your show. I have had almost 619 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 1: no opportunities to learn from unbiased sources about controversial topics. 620 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,840 Speaker 1: Everything I've been taught on that subject has been quite slanted. 621 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 1: In our sex ed class, the girls were told that 622 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 1: every time we have sex will get STDs, that abortion 623 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 1: would most likely kill us, and shame the man involved 624 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 1: for his whole life. I have been told I can't 625 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,319 Speaker 1: play football or baseball, and often get babied in my 626 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 1: agg class when we work in the shop, all because 627 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 1: I'm a girl, even though I am the go to 628 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 1: when somebody needs help. I feel bad for complaining to y'all, 629 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 1: but I want to let you both know that you've 630 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,800 Speaker 1: changed my look on life. Listening to the show introduced 631 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,839 Speaker 1: me to a different way of treating people. Your show 632 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,040 Speaker 1: makes me feel a little less alone that I'm not 633 00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,880 Speaker 1: the only person who believes that sexuality, color, and gender 634 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,799 Speaker 1: have no effect on the rights a person should get. 635 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,360 Speaker 1: I have found out how I want to live my life, 636 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,360 Speaker 1: and y'all were a big part of that process. I 637 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 1: can't thank you enough. Feel free to write back. Well, Katie, 638 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,760 Speaker 1: we're not writing back, but we are reading your letter 639 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,480 Speaker 1: on the air, and thank you so much for your 640 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,160 Speaker 1: kind words. Well, I've got a letter here from Katie 641 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:21,480 Speaker 1: that I did share on our social media, but I'm 642 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 1: going to share it again because it was one of 643 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 1: my favorites of the year. She wrote, I just want 644 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,560 Speaker 1: to thank you guys for all the podcast you do. 645 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,200 Speaker 1: I decided to look back to where I started listening 646 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,880 Speaker 1: in the earliest state is November two, two thousand nine, 647 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,399 Speaker 1: which was on why women have more migraines than men. 648 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 1: So if I started listening in February of oh nine, 649 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 1: I've been listening from the age of eleven. I've listened 650 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,680 Speaker 1: to most of your podcasts, and they've given me a 651 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 1: lot of knowledge I wouldn't have had otherwise. Your podcast 652 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,239 Speaker 1: also helped shape me into the strong feminist I am 653 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,399 Speaker 1: today at seventeen. Tumbler has helped with that a lot 654 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,839 Speaker 1: in more recent years, but your podcast kicked it all off. 655 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 1: So thank you so much for all of your effort 656 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:05,960 Speaker 1: with the podcast and videos each week. They're truly enjoyable. Okatie, 657 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,719 Speaker 1: thank you so much for growing up with us. Love 658 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,120 Speaker 1: it well. I have a letter here from Roxanne our 659 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,440 Speaker 1: episode on adult acne in which Kristen I basically just 660 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,160 Speaker 1: complained and looked for solutions about our own acne for 661 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 1: forty five minutes. Uh. That episode really resonated with listener Roxanne. 662 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,439 Speaker 1: She says, I discovered this s Minty podcast a couple 663 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,200 Speaker 1: of months ago. When I love the show, I don't 664 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,719 Speaker 1: like a lot of podcast print is my native habitat, 665 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,800 Speaker 1: and I have a hard time concentrating on audio only information. 666 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,759 Speaker 1: But you both keep the show engaging and fascinating. So 667 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:41,880 Speaker 1: Roxon says. When I started grad school last year at 668 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 1: twenty nine, I began experiencing breakouts at an astonishing rate. 669 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 1: I don't think of myself as a vain person. I 670 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,719 Speaker 1: really wear makeup, but I was mortified through adolescence. I 671 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 1: never had a problem. I would have to do something 672 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,600 Speaker 1: actively horrible to my skin to get a breakout, like 673 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,680 Speaker 1: not washing it for six days, and even then I 674 00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,719 Speaker 1: get maybe a pimple. You're both at really right, though 675 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 1: no one tells us about this. At first, I tried 676 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,840 Speaker 1: treating it like with traditional acne products, only to have 677 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,040 Speaker 1: it get much, much worse. That was when I finally 678 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,360 Speaker 1: looked up you know, actual medical information and learned how 679 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 1: different the two types of acne are, and one source 680 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 1: even likened late onset acne to rosasia. I can't recall 681 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,040 Speaker 1: if they said the two conditions are related or comorbid, 682 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,880 Speaker 1: but both are worse than if by overly harsh drying 683 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,440 Speaker 1: or a brace of treatment regimens. I still don't have 684 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,840 Speaker 1: mind completely under control, but it's improved with gentler treatment. 685 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,719 Speaker 1: And here's a big factor. Sunscreen. While sunlight can help 686 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,920 Speaker 1: teen acne, it can make adult acne and rosasha worse. 687 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 1: I use a zinc based physical sunscreen that never seems 688 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,279 Speaker 1: to trigger breakout no matter how often I reapply. My 689 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,840 Speaker 1: biggest triggering factor seems to be stressed well, I do 690 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,880 Speaker 1: notice a fluctuation and frequency along my cycle. For the 691 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,160 Speaker 1: most part, I'll only have a problem with whiteheads until 692 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,400 Speaker 1: I experienced a major stress anxiety episode, and within a 693 00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,360 Speaker 1: day or two I'll have two to three big gangry 694 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,960 Speaker 1: sistic pimples. It's a great time to be in grad school. 695 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,560 Speaker 1: I'm sure I'll never get a handle on it fully 696 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,759 Speaker 1: until I learned to manage my stress better. But I'm 697 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,040 Speaker 1: hoping one day I can go back to not constantly 698 00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,920 Speaker 1: wondering what people are thinking when they look at my face. 699 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,000 Speaker 1: I love the show, Love your Topics, Take Care and 700 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,120 Speaker 1: you take care to Roxane. And finally, I've got a 701 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,319 Speaker 1: letter here from Ellie, and she writes, I wanted to 702 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,759 Speaker 1: say thank you for your piece on significant others, and 703 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,319 Speaker 1: more specifically for raising the issue of what to call 704 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:31,360 Speaker 1: your significant other who identifies as non binary or gender queer. 705 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,920 Speaker 1: I go to a small liberal arts college where almost 706 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,359 Speaker 1: half of my immediate friend group identifies as gender queer 707 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:40,200 Speaker 1: or non binary and uses the gender neutral pronouns they them. 708 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,359 Speaker 1: And there's so needless to say this issue has come 709 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,839 Speaker 1: up for some of us. Most people I know who 710 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,000 Speaker 1: have non binary significant others just refer to them as 711 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,840 Speaker 1: their ESSO short for you guessed it significant other, but 712 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,160 Speaker 1: it varies from person to person. For instance, I went 713 00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,759 Speaker 1: from identifying as a CIS woman to a non binary 714 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:00,640 Speaker 1: in the middle of my last relation and ship, so 715 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,600 Speaker 1: I had no problem with my girlfriend continuing to refer 716 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,080 Speaker 1: to me as her girlfriend since that was what we 717 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,560 Speaker 1: were both used to. However, now I'm feeling more comfortable 718 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,920 Speaker 1: in my identity, I don't think I would want to 719 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,560 Speaker 1: date someone who called me their girlfriend anymore. That no 720 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,200 Speaker 1: longer aligns with my identity, and I would probably ask 721 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,799 Speaker 1: them to call me their s oh. I know s 722 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,200 Speaker 1: O seems like it would sound awkward in everyday conversation, 723 00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,640 Speaker 1: but it really isn't at all. Also, the issue of 724 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,800 Speaker 1: gendered language comes up in space as other than romantic ones. 725 00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,320 Speaker 1: I played for the women's soccer team at my school, 726 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,040 Speaker 1: and my teammates have had to adjust away from saying 727 00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,200 Speaker 1: things like what's up girl and hey pretty lady to me. 728 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,080 Speaker 1: To rectify this, I joke around with my teammates that 729 00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,560 Speaker 1: I'm actually a gender blob and instead of saying what's up, girl, 730 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,440 Speaker 1: they can say what's up, blob. It's silly and lighthearted, 731 00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,640 Speaker 1: but I choose to joke about it because there really 732 00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,319 Speaker 1: is no gender neutral option for a lot of the 733 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,799 Speaker 1: manners in which we speak to each other. I just 734 00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,239 Speaker 1: wanted to give you my two cents as someone who 735 00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,920 Speaker 1: has had to think about this quite a bit recent. 736 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,600 Speaker 1: On a different note, blah blah blah, I think you 737 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,799 Speaker 1: too are absolutely brilliant blah blah blah. I'm in love 738 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,520 Speaker 1: with you blah blah blah. 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