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Speaker 1: Happy at the viear After a quick break, We're back

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Speaker 1: with Crystal Balls Happy at the Year. Since the shows

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Speaker 1: answer is yes, Um, it's been overwhelming. I'm gonna say,

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Speaker 1: and I'm kind of adapting to it because it's like

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Speaker 1: people when crazy, really I mean, and when I say

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Speaker 1: this is like literally I have some people. We have

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Speaker 1: me and my manager we have to block because we

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Speaker 1: were getting like like it was a us. I like

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Speaker 1: they started like straight to me, like some agents. I'm

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Speaker 1: speaking those kinds of people. Yeah, and it's like it's

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Speaker 1: like you're telling me, okay, I don't have the time

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Speaker 1: for this. I'm okay, I don't need help. And then

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Speaker 1: right away it's like texting you one text after the other.

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Speaker 1: It's like you have some kind of you know, a

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Speaker 1: fuck up partner that's gone psychle It's like, what's happening

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Speaker 1: these people? So that's one thing. And then I have

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Speaker 1: all the Marvels and Disney and all the people that

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Speaker 1: I've never worked with because myself it's you know, it's

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Speaker 1: too weird or too exiotic, I don't know exactly. But

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Speaker 1: now they everybody's interested, and I have all these people

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Speaker 1: and stuff, and I'm refusing everything just because I'm on

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Speaker 1: a movie right now. And that's it. So one of

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Speaker 1: the things I'm confronted with now is that, you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't do the composers thing of having a team

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Speaker 1: of you know, writers and composers and uh, you know

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Speaker 1: helpers that sometimes they do all the job for me

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Speaker 1: and sometimes you know, if it's a very big project,

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe it's more me. So I don't I

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Speaker 1: don't understand that stuff. That's that's really to me, that's

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Speaker 1: just greed, but it's it's like beyond greed. Yeah and yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would love to be a multimedia like whoever does

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Speaker 1: you know Batman and stuff, but I'm not a manager

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Speaker 1: and not a boss. I don't want to do that,

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Speaker 1: and I want to have to check you know, all

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Speaker 1: these people that are working for me and navigating all

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Speaker 1: this stuff. This is just it's super weird and I'm

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Speaker 1: never going to that. I don't think I'm going to

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Speaker 1: do this, you know, five movies in a years, Like,

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Speaker 1: I don't understand how these people they do that. You

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Speaker 1: see this IMDb from composer and they have like two

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Speaker 1: hundred credits. It's like it's so weird to me. So

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to explain to them that, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: thank you so much, and I'm not refusing because I

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Speaker 1: don't want to do your project or anything. It's just that.

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Speaker 1: But for them, this is really alien. They don't understand

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Speaker 1: why I'm refusing stuff because nobody refuses. They just they

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Speaker 1: take everything I did, do everything, and it's like to me,

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Speaker 1: it's it's a little bit McDonald's. It's like I don't

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Speaker 1: want to do chain work or something I want to

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Speaker 1: do me. Everything is housemade, it's homemade, and it's like

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Speaker 1: I'm doing everything. It is a little bit slower, but

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Speaker 1: I don't. I do one thing, the one project, and

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Speaker 1: that's it and then the next project. What's cool though,

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Speaker 1: is that it seems like a something happening which I've

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Speaker 1: never seen since I started doing this. It's like I

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Speaker 1: started somewhere with Utopia where I'm kind of like a

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Speaker 1: weird punk latino that is doing some weird stuff but

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Speaker 1: it makes lots of noise. Utopia, even though it wasn't

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Speaker 1: like a hit like in numbers, was a hitting away

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Speaker 1: because to this day, anybody anywhere where I'm in London

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Speaker 1: or in la or whatever, people will speak about that.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna tell me, man, that that show, every department,

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Speaker 1: the art, the music, it was. It was really something

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Speaker 1: so and now the White Lotus seems to have done

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Speaker 1: that in the US because the Utopia was more of

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Speaker 1: a UK thing, right, But now with the White lotos

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Speaker 1: is it feels like I'm less of an alien now.

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Speaker 1: But they're calling me because that's the thing, Like somehow

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Speaker 1: it's becoming the thing that they want to be completely

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Speaker 1: surprised completely. They want something else, Like it's like, all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, the tire of this Hollywood sound. They

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Speaker 1: don't want that anymore. They want in your face, they

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Speaker 1: want melodies. They want, you know, the music to be

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Speaker 1: a character. This isn't that. And of course maybe they're excited.

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Speaker 1: You have to see if that's possible, because of course,

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Speaker 1: you know, with people putting lots of money into projects,

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Speaker 1: then they hear something weird and they become scared and

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Speaker 1: they say, oh wait a minute. Yeah, a lot of

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Speaker 1: pressure with that. A lot of pressure comes with that.

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Speaker 1: If you can be the one though, to bring you know,

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Speaker 1: melodies back into this and just really d mcdonaldize, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: d mcdonaldiz. That's that's a true man. Be appreciated. Yeah, definitely,

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for taking the time to do this, man,

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate it now. Prob thanks to Cryst of Balls.

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