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Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. Breakfast Club.

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Speaker 2: Morning, everybody, It's j n V. Jesse Larius Charlamage the guy.

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Speaker 2: We are the Breakfast Club. You got a special guest

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Speaker 2: in the building. Yes, indeed, journalist Michael Harriet and author.

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Speaker 3: Welcome brother, Nice to meet you.

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Speaker 1: Medical commentator, a little bit of everything, Yeah, a little

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Speaker 1: bit of everything on there on his belt. Native of

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Speaker 1: South Carolina, of course. Of course he's got a phenomenal

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Speaker 1: book out man called a Black af History, The Unwhitewashed

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Speaker 1: Story of America. I started reading it over the holidays

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Speaker 1: when I was on vacation, and it's one of those

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Speaker 1: books that I've gotten a lot through it, but you

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Speaker 1: keep going back because you're gonna have your highlighter. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying constantly going through it. Tell

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Speaker 1: her first of all, telling them what the book is about.

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Speaker 4: The book is a look at America through black people's eyes.

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Speaker 4: So we've seen books about black people through black people's eyes,

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Speaker 4: and history books about America through white through the white lens.

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Speaker 4: But this is about America through black people's eyes. And

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Speaker 4: it's funny, uh, you know, because I talk to people talk.

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Speaker 4: I wrote the book like how we talk to each other.

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Speaker 4: So you know, we could be at a funeral and

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Speaker 4: we're like, oh God, I can't believe she what that

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Speaker 4: had so and so, you know, it uses humor, it

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Speaker 4: uses the way we talk to each other, and it

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Speaker 4: shows and it pulls no punches and unwhitewashes the mythology

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Speaker 4: that we always been taught to believe since we got

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Speaker 4: into social studies class.

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Speaker 1: You know, I've always followed you on social media teen

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Speaker 1: writing on the grill, and of course you're very funny,

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Speaker 1: but when you read the book, you realize, damn you

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Speaker 1: had to go through a lot of trauma to get

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Speaker 1: that sense of humor.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, man, yeah, I mean I think I think that's

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Speaker 4: how we all got our sense of humor, right, Like

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Speaker 4: it's a it's a coping mechanism in a way, man,

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Speaker 4: And that's how a lot of why black people, you know,

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Speaker 4: we relate to each other like that, because we deal

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Speaker 4: with trauma in those ways. And it's always been like that,

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Speaker 4: I mean, since like, you know, that's kind of how

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Speaker 4: we created Charlie Kase was the first stand up comedian

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Speaker 4: and I write about it in the book, and his

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Speaker 4: creating a stand up comedy was an effort to like

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Speaker 4: get close to his father, who.

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Speaker 3: Was an albino man, an albino.

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Speaker 4: Black man, and he was a mixed He was a

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Speaker 4: mixed race, and his mom erase told him that you

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Speaker 4: got to live his white and he his hero was

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Speaker 4: his father. So that was a way to get close

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Speaker 4: to his father because his father was a performer, and

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Speaker 4: he invented stand up comedy to kind of connect himself

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Speaker 4: to his community after he was removed from it.

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Speaker 1: Such an interesting concept, right, because like when you think

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Speaker 1: about black people in America, you know, certain people Jewish

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Speaker 1: people have been able to assimilate by being able to

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Speaker 1: change their last name. To read the story about the

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Speaker 1: albino man who was able to assimilate, I'm like, why

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Speaker 1: that's it's an act of survival, Like why wouldn't you

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Speaker 1: in that day and age?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, man, that's what I talk a lot about that

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Speaker 4: in the book, because we like when we talk about,

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Speaker 4: for instance, slave revoltes, we always like to talk about

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Speaker 4: like how black people grab machetes and burned out plantation.

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Speaker 4: But there were other ways of survival, like I called

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Speaker 4: the chapter is called survival and resistance. So a lot

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Speaker 4: of what we did was just for survival, right, Like like,

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Speaker 4: for instance, slowing down your work. You might be mad

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Speaker 4: happen if you don't work, So you might just slow down.

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Speaker 4: You might just run away for a few days, knowing

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Speaker 4: you're gonna get caught. But like it was like what

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Speaker 4: we would call it self care now, Like I know

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Speaker 4: I'm going to get caught, but I'm going to die

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Speaker 4: if I stay on this plantation one more date in

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Speaker 4: a row. And so that notion of survival is a

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Speaker 4: lot on how we deal with trauma.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 4: Like a lot of times when I see like black

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Speaker 4: like that conservative mindset, I know, like some of some

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Speaker 4: of the time it's a way of survival. Now other

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Speaker 4: times you see people buy all into it.

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Speaker 3: Like I thought Tim.

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Speaker 4: I used to think Tim Scott, it was survival technique

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Speaker 4: for Tim Scott. And then I realized, oh nah, he

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Speaker 4: he's starting to believe in right like he I mean,

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Speaker 4: there was a shift because because I've talked to him before, right,

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Speaker 4: feeling that he was a conservative, a real conservative who

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Speaker 4: was in the Republican Party, but like lately he just

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Speaker 4: shift to shift it to like maga dude, like maga

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Speaker 5: You said he was embarrassing himself.

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Speaker 2: He said, if I think you posted a clip on

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Speaker 2: your Twitter said, if I send you a picture of

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Speaker 2: Tim Scott, that means you're embarrassing yourself.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right right now, I mean.

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Speaker 4: And then like I'm not one to always like perpetuate

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Speaker 4: like what they call the democratic mindset, So I would

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Speaker 4: always point out that Tim Scott, for instance, was the first,

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Speaker 4: the only person for years pushing for police reform, Like

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Speaker 4: he he tried to get Republicans to pass the Tim

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Speaker 4: Scott UH the Walter Scott Notification Act for years and

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Speaker 4: then something happened and then he like he they were

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Speaker 4: on the doorstep of passing police reform and Tim Scott

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Speaker 4: sabotaged it because of like the most powerful man in

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Speaker 4: reform like one powerful white dude that nobody knows in

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Speaker 4: the police reform and Tim Scott through Tim Scott right,

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Speaker 4: and lately he's just like stopped being that old Tim

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Speaker 1: I wonder about that, right, I agree with everything you

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Speaker 1: just said, but I wonder if that is him trying

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Speaker 1: to survive in a Republican party that is clearly being

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Speaker 1: taken over by Maga.

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Speaker 4: But here's the thing that would make sense if Tim

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Speaker 4: Scott was somewhere, Like Tim Scott is a Senator from

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Speaker 4: South Carolina.

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Speaker 1: There is no way he's at the country now.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's, but he's never going to lose if he

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Speaker 4: keeps running like ninety eight percent of one thing, people

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Speaker 4: don't really like eight percent of all senators when they

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Speaker 4: leave the Senate, they retire. Like, it's almost impossible for

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Speaker 4: a sitting, sitting senator to lose. And Tim Scott is

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Speaker 4: in a Republican stronghold, He's never going to be child.

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Speaker 1: If he got future aspirations though, if he has a

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Speaker 1: future political aspiration, yeah.

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Speaker 4: But are there is there a political future after Donald Trump?

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Speaker 4: Like none of it makes sense, right, because he could

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Speaker 4: be Tim Scott the same Tim Scott he was before

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump and still have political aspirations, right, Like, he

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Speaker 4: might even be more popular with his party if he

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Speaker 4: wasn't that Maga dude. Right, he bought into a specific

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Speaker 4: kind of anti black conservative ideology. When he didn't have to,

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Speaker 4: and that like, and you can see the shift right,

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Speaker 4: he's not even making sense anymore. He was a quiet

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Speaker 4: conservative dude, and now he is a Donald Trump magamuffin,

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Speaker 4: an acolyte of that anti black wing of the Republican Party.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you, It just it just feels like

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Speaker 1: if you're a traditional conservative like he was, the Maga

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Speaker 1: people make you look almost like you're leaning left. So

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Speaker 1: I don't he wants to look like he's leaning left

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I don't.

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Speaker 4: I don't think that's necessarily true because we you know,

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Speaker 4: we hear that thing about like the traditional Republicans versus

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Speaker 4: the Maga Republicans. The traditional Republicans and the Maga Republicans,

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Speaker 4: there's no really no difference in policy, right, Like all

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Speaker 4: the Republicans are right wing ideologues in truth right right,

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Speaker 4: But but that Maga thing, like it's just a little

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Speaker 4: bit more anti black, a little bit more vocally xenophobic.

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Speaker 3: But it's no policy difference.

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Speaker 4: And Tim Scott didn't have to buy into all of

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Speaker 4: that to like Tim Scott through his granddaddy.

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Speaker 3: My grandfather was an illiterate, poor tim daddy and he wasn't.

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Speaker 4: It was a lie, right, and he did that to

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Speaker 4: buy into that Republican not just the Republican ideology, but

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Speaker 4: that Maga anti black version of black people that is

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Speaker 4: necessary to perpetuate the myth of the Maga wing of

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Speaker 2: I want to go back for a lot of people

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Speaker 2: that don't now. I'm always curious to how people got

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Speaker 2: their start, right, So what piqued your interest when it

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Speaker 2: came to journalism and politics. What was the first thing

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Speaker 2: that says, this is something that's interesting that I want

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Speaker 2: to do well? That was even your journey.

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Speaker 4: So I'm actually an economist by training, so I was

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Speaker 4: teaching macroeconomics and working for corporations, and this is when

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Speaker 4: Newsweek was owned by the Washington Post. I used to

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Speaker 4: just write these large policy things that like, say your

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Speaker 4: economic impact it would have on that country? And Newsweek

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Speaker 4: asked me to write these articles about First it was

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Speaker 4: why everybody was buying gold? And I wrote it and

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Speaker 4: it was like everybody was like, oh, you can really write.

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Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, that's what I kind of do

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Speaker 4: for a living. And from there what happened is you know,

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Speaker 4: if you're the only black person in the space, come

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Speaker 4: the expert on everything black.

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Speaker 3: So when black stuff.

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Speaker 4: Started happening, even though I was an economist now, I

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Speaker 4: so that might be why, But I just became the

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Speaker 3: To to ask to write about black stuff.

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Speaker 5: Gotcha.

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Speaker 1: You know what I love about you know, black af

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Speaker 1: You break down the history of America at a high level, right,

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Speaker 1: but you also do it in a very entertaining way.

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Speaker 1: And it made me think of a great movie that's

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Speaker 1: all right now called American Fiction.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 1: And the one problem I had with that movie was

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Speaker 1: the whole that they left about the book Fuck. Have

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Speaker 1: you seen the movie? Yeah? I wanted to know why

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Speaker 1: people liked the book Fuck, because I felt like he

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Speaker 1: wrote something that was more easily digestible for people. And

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Speaker 1: it really made me feel like that when him and

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Speaker 1: Eric Alexander had that back and forth in the kitchen

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Speaker 1: and she liked the book and she used to like

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Speaker 1: all his original stuff. So I wish they would have

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Speaker 1: explained it in that moment why people liked the book

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Speaker 1: but I think your book, you know, it shows you

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Speaker 1: can put medicine and candy in something and be successful

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Speaker 1: because you debut that what number five on the New

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Speaker 1: York best Sellers or something like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think you can do it right.

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Speaker 4: But I think the difference, like you know, the book

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Speaker 4: Fuck and American Fiction is a lot of times to

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Speaker 4: make it in what used to like especially five years ago,

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Speaker 4: even in the publishing industry, is you had to dumb

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Speaker 4: it down for the sake of white people and all

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Speaker 4: kind of pretend that you were kind of stupid, which

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Speaker 4: man know you could read or you could die, right Like,

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Speaker 4: you couldn't let the people at your.

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Speaker 3: Job know you were smarter because you would be a

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Speaker 4: Think that could no, because see what you're talking about,

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Speaker 3: Right, So so where the Democrats when states is in.

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Speaker 4: Because you can't talk about like it turns white people

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Speaker 3: You can't talk about what white people are gonna do

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Speaker 4: who said, what do you mean popular? Like like this

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Speaker 4: But what I'm saying is, I don't even care about

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, I want to ask you something you was talking about.

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Speaker 4: Because but I think, like what Tim that little dance

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Speaker 3: We did this twenty times in the history of black people.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: And the other thing is, though that a lot of

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Speaker 4: that criticism is premised on the fact that the black

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Speaker 4: people in the Democratic Party are cool with how the

445
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Speaker 4: Democratic Party has worked, Like we criticize it internally and

446
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Speaker 4: amongst each other, Like we know that the white Democrats

447
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 4: in the Democratic Party are racist too, Like they ain't

448
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Speaker 4: less racist than the white people in the Republican Party, right,

449
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Speaker 4: Like we know that and we have the same criticisms. Right,

450
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Speaker 4: But I don't think you have to shuck and jive.

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Speaker 4: What Tim Scott is doing is shocking and jobing for Tim.

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Speaker 1: Scott, I agree with you, but I feel like so

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Speaker 1: many black people have done and that too. I'll give

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Speaker 1: you some examples. Bill Clinton, the first black president, Uncle

455
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Speaker 1: Joe Biden, God Damn, What have these men done for

456
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Speaker 1: you that you call him uncle Joe and said that

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Speaker 1: he's the first black president.

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Speaker 4: Well, first of all, I think there's a difference, right,

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Speaker 4: I don't I do in this sense, right, even though

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Speaker 4: I kind of agree with you, but calling Bill Clinton

461
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Speaker 4: the first black president don't do nothing right.

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Speaker 1: But think about why they.

463
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Speaker 5: Used to call him that, because he played the saxophone.

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Speaker 1: And because he used to he was he was used

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Speaker 1: to smoke weeds, to smoke weed, like he was good

466
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Speaker 1: with women. It wasn't even nothing positive.

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Speaker 4: Well yeah, but I think a part of that was too,

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Speaker 4: like he was a southern poor dude from the from

469
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Speaker 4: Arkansas too. But I agree with you, like I know,

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Speaker 4: I don't think it was good to call him the

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Speaker 4: first black president, but Tim, But Bill Clinton didn't win

472
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Speaker 4: because black people were calling him the first black president.

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Speaker 3: Bill Clinton.

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Speaker 4: Joe Biden didn't win because people's calling him uncle Joe.

475
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Speaker 4: Tim Scott is trying to help a xenophobic, racist, anti

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Speaker 4: black man win by dancing.

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Speaker 1: Right, He's not gonna win because Tim Scott was dancing, But.

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Speaker 4: The attempts is and the fact that he is positioning

479
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Speaker 4: himself because Tim Scott really is positioning himself.

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Speaker 3: To be the black to be the VP pick I

481
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Speaker 3: think had a hood that get.

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Speaker 4: But regardless of what it is, right like to be

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Speaker 4: a bigger part of that anti black machine. Right like

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Speaker 4: the person who said to Bill Clinton is the first

485
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Speaker 4: black president wasn't part of it. Didn't get a lollipop

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Speaker 4: from the Democratic Party for it. They didn't get become

487
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Speaker 4: part of the machine. Same thing with Joe Biden. It

488
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Speaker 4: was just some dumb stuff that people were saying, you know,

489
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Speaker 4: amongst each other in barbershops and everything.

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Speaker 1: But it was Congress people who said this to it people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean, and I again I agree with

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Speaker 3: the premise.

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Speaker 4: But Tim Scott is a single person, right, It's not

494
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Speaker 4: not talking about like an ethos. Tim Scott is a

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Speaker 4: single person who is trying to use his blackness as

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Speaker 4: a culture against black people by verifying and validating the

497
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Speaker 4: most racist political machine in the country.

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Speaker 2: Do you think people, do you think black people are

499
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Speaker 2: politically fatigued, tired of this shit, tired of the conversations

500
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Speaker 2: and the talk over and over again, tired of the

501
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Speaker 2: selling the dreams, tired of the car salespeople feel do

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Speaker 2: you think that's going to stop? A lot of people

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Speaker 2: from going out.

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Speaker 3: I think it might. Like one of the things that

505
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Speaker 3: might is that at some point there's going to have

506
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Speaker 3: to be a.

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Speaker 4: Reckoning with the Democratic Party and saying you have to

508
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Speaker 4: start giving us, stop giving us lip service, and start

509
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Speaker 4: doing the stuff that you say. But one of the

510
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Speaker 4: things that people said, well, we can't do it this

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Speaker 4: year because what if Trump wins?

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Speaker 1: They do They do that every election. That's tell us. Now.

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Speaker 4: The second part of that sentence is that the difference

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Speaker 4: in this time is a lot of black felks are

515
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Speaker 4: gonna say, I ain't scared.

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Speaker 3: He's already been president. Yeah, I lived through him once.

517
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Speaker 4: Right, that's what might attract people to the college because

518
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Speaker 4: we live through a Trump presidency. I agree that we're

519
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 4: going to have to have a reckoning with the Democratic

520
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 4: Party too, right, because it ain't nothing we can do.

521
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Speaker 4: But I think it's wrong to equate the racism of

522
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Speaker 4: inside the Democratic Party with the points of the Republican Party.

523
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 4: Is white supremacy, right, Like, that's that's the goal is

524
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Speaker 4: to keep power among white people, and they weaponize it

525
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Speaker 4: with their policies and who they attract to their coalition.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think that's democratic fault though,

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Speaker 1: because you know, they have demonized, they demonized every single

528
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Speaker 1: Republican candidate every time it's an election. And now that

529
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Speaker 1: there's an actual, real threat to Democrat, a real demon,

530
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Speaker 1: we're like, ah, please, you didn't heard that story before.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: And then the other side of that, though, is they

533
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Speaker 4: might can they might be able to fight that better

534
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Speaker 4: if they said, hey, you know that demon, we got

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Speaker 4: the answer to kill that demon.

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Speaker 3: Right, But.

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Speaker 4: The policies that we put forth, because it's not like

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Speaker 4: black people have a new agenda. We've been pushing the

539
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 4: same agenda for since, like the nineteen seventy nine Indiana Summit, Right,

540
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 4: we were pushing the same agenda. Like that's why we

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Speaker 4: kind of dismissed ice Cube, right, because we knew that

542
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Speaker 4: what he was saying was nothing. Why we want a

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Speaker 4: rapper going to plead our case in the White House, Like,

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Speaker 4: we don't even want to vote for nobody who would

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Speaker 4: even talk to a rapper versus somebody who would know

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Speaker 4: our agenda policy wise.

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Speaker 1: But you wouldn't want vote for somebody who spoke to

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Speaker 1: a rapper.

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Speaker 4: No, what I'm saying is, if you are going to

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Speaker 4: make time to address black people's knees, and you're going

551
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Speaker 4: to invite someone to speak to you and see what

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Speaker 4: you might be missing.

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Speaker 3: If you invite ice.

554
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Speaker 4: Cube and say, like, that's the one who I need

555
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 4: to talk to about what black people want, then you

556
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 4: probably just a performative person who just trying to get

557
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Speaker 4: votes and pander the black people.

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Speaker 1: That's why ice Cube got to bring the right people

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Speaker 1: with them. I mean, I feel like that's where the

560
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Speaker 1: entertainment in the experts go hand in hand, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: if I get that invite, take somebody with you who

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Speaker 1: knows what they're talking about.

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Speaker 4: Well, but here's the thing, right, if you are an

564
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Speaker 4: expert who could really talk to ice Cube, wouldn't you

565
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 4: have told him that, Hey, this agenda already exists, Like

566
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Speaker 4: they know about this stuff like it was in the

567
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Speaker 4: Tavis Smiley wrote about it, it was in the nineteen

568
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Speaker 4: seventy nine political Black Slimmit. It's the same like literally

569
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Speaker 4: the same stuff, like the same bullet points, the same.

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Speaker 3: Policy goals, everything.

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Speaker 4: And if he had the right people around him, he

572
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 4: would have been he would have known like, Oh, what

573
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Speaker 4: I'll do is I'll get behind the experts who have

574
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 4: already been pushing this agenda than trying to make it

575
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Speaker 4: about not just about himself but being mad when we

576
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Speaker 4: didn't recognize the absolute unique genius of ice Cube.

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Speaker 1: Right, I think we're saying the same thing though. It's

578
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Speaker 1: just like, yes, these agendas have already been out there,

579
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Speaker 1: but I think we gotta we gotta keep them in

580
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Speaker 1: these people's faces because these people have every reason to ignore.

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Speaker 3: Us, right, Right.

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Speaker 4: But that's what ice why ice Cube should be saying,

583
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Speaker 4: I am going to get behind these smart black people, right.

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Speaker 1: Because instead of saying this is my agenda that I wrote.

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Speaker 4: Or not even just saying that it is mine, right, Like,

586
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Speaker 4: just like ice Cube has a lot of capital in

587
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 4: Black America, right, he could be uplifting some of the

588
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 4: people who have been who are scholars, who are the

589
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 4: people who have been doing the work for years and years.

590
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Speaker 4: But ice Cube said, I want to be in that

591
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,719
Speaker 4: room and you need to talk to me, ice c Right.

592
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 4: And I think there's there's a bit of ego in

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Speaker 4: that that it's to the detriment of black people. Because

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Speaker 4: let's say they did invite ice Cube there and ice

595
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 4: Q said all the right things like don't just perpetuate

596
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Speaker 4: the same myth that these stupid rappers and these stupid entertainers,

597
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Speaker 4: and many of them who haven't done the work, but

598
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Speaker 4: they have good intentions, are the representatives for black people.

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Speaker 1: But what if?

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Speaker 2: What if Cube actually gets it done, like Kim Kardashian

601
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Speaker 2: gets things that people say she gets things done when I.

602
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Speaker 1: Just saw something come out right, People have said that.

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Speaker 2: People have said Donald Trump listened to Kim Kardashian.

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Speaker 1: Before he listened to But there's women behind Kim that

605
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: have actually done the work. But black women behind Kim

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Speaker 1: I can't remember since his name, we had.

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Speaker 4: Two black females, Yeah, lawyer, And that is the point, right, Like,

608
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 4: if ice Cube can get you into the room, I

609
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 4: ain't got no problem with that, right.

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Speaker 3: But and I ain't even got no problem with ice

611
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 3: Cube asking to be in the room. Right. But when

612
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 3: ice Cube was told, hey, you can't be in the room,

613
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Speaker 3: he switched up and say, well, I can go talk

614
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Speaker 3: to Donald Trump.

615
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Speaker 4: And then he elevated the purveyor of the white genocide,

616
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 4: the white replacement theory, Tucker Castle, went on his show.

617
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 4: When Tucker Castle didn't even have a toe holding media,

618
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Speaker 4: ice Cube helped him get that, help him gain that audience,

619
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Speaker 4: validated his belief by saying he can't be racist because

620
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Speaker 4: he's sitting here talking to this dude who is pushing an.

621
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Speaker 3: Agenda for black people.

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Speaker 4: Right, Like, that is why you don't want the people

623
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Speaker 4: who are driven by ego in the room, because if

624
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Speaker 4: they don't get in the room, right, he switched to

625
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Speaker 4: the enemy side, BHILLI So.

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Speaker 5: Let me ask you a question, right, So the Breakfast

627
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Speaker 5: Club here has had.

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Speaker 1: Hold on I got to say their names, Brittany kboard

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Speaker 1: Net and me Angel Cody.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, So the Breakfast Club has had politicians up

631
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 2: here that necessarily weren't on outside, right, Republicans here.

632
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Speaker 5: So what's your thought on that?

633
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 2: Because a lot of people have said, why do you

634
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Speaker 2: give those Republicans the platform?

635
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: As if they don't already have a huge platform.

636
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 2: Why do you allow them up there and have it MSNBC,

637
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 2: Fox A, Why I'm up here and have them spew

638
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 2: things that are not necessarily best for our community.

639
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Speaker 4: So it's two sides of that, right, Like, I think

640
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 4: if you're going to have those people on, you have

641
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 4: to be equipped to counter the narrative that you know

642
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 4: they're going to push. Right, Like a lot of times

643
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 4: again because the ego we think that I'm equipped, I'm

644
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 4: smart enough to and it ends up being that person

645
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Speaker 4: promoting the ideology. You're giving a person a platform to

646
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Speaker 4: promote anti black ideology, anti black narrative. The other thing

647
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 4: is that just like you said, they got enough platforms, right, Like,

648
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Speaker 4: I don't necessarily disagree with the intellectual curiosity or the

649
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Speaker 4: ability to say, look, I am probably what a lot

650
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Speaker 4: of people will call progressive, pro black or whatever, and

651
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 4: my viewpoint can stand up in the face of somebody

652
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 4: like Nikki Haley or Republican, and I'm gonna show you

653
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 4: that it can because I'm gonna have them in this space.

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Speaker 3: Right.

655
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Speaker 4: I don't think there's anything wrong with that, But I

656
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Speaker 4: think a lot of times when some people do it right,

657
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Speaker 4: it ends up being counter to what we content to

658
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Speaker 4: the point that they brought them into right like ice

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Speaker 4: Cube going on Tucker Castle Tuck a crust and wiped

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Speaker 4: the Explore with ice Cube. He bent ice Cube into

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Speaker 4: a pretzel.

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Speaker 1: I watched it.

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Speaker 4: Watch if they weren't debating, right, Tucker Cuson is experienced

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Speaker 4: media person, so he knew how to get ice Cube

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Speaker 4: to say what he wants. Like ice Cube has criticisms

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Speaker 4: of people like Oprah and the people at the top

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Speaker 4: of the power structure. Right, But if that's the only

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Speaker 4: thing you say and tuck a cost of managers to

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Speaker 4: manipulate you and to say and just bad stuff about

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Speaker 4: black people, you weren't equipped to do that. And now

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Speaker 4: we're supposed to still believe that that ice cube is

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Speaker 4: equipped to go into those rooms and represent us when

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Speaker 4: we see what these white folks one on one can

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Speaker 4: can twist you in the presso and make you sound

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Speaker 4: like and make you look like right, And that's the thing, right, Like,

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Speaker 4: there is kind of a divining line where you can

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Speaker 4: have that robust intellectual debate with people from the other

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Speaker 4: side if you are equipped, whether if you're not equipped

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Speaker 4: to do it. You also have to invite people who

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Speaker 4: are equipped to do it into the room when you

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Speaker 4: have them on your platform, those people like you know, Republicans,

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Speaker 4: conserv which I'm not afraid I'm not afraid to do.

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Speaker 1: I think in this era, people like confrontation over conversation,

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Speaker 1: because what's the point of platform with democrats Because when

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Speaker 1: we have democrats up here, it's the same thing, just

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Speaker 1: from a whole other side. It's people that say all

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Speaker 1: they did was lie about this. All they did was

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Speaker 1: lie about that. You didn't challenge them enough on this.

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Speaker 1: You didn't challenge them enough on that. So it's literally

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Speaker 1: the same thing. If you have Democrats on, you have

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Speaker 1: some people that are mad. You have Republicans on, you

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Speaker 1: will have people that are mad. There's not one politician

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Speaker 1: I've ever seen come on, maybe like maybe one or

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Speaker 1: two that actually made people be like h what they

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Speaker 1: said was was actually.

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Speaker 4: That's kind of how you know you on the right

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Speaker 4: path if you in media right, like, if you if

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Speaker 4: both sides are upset by something you did, then you

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Speaker 4: probably kind of were fear right. Like I call it,

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Speaker 4: like by doctor Umar, thing like doctor Umar don't like

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Speaker 4: me because I've been critical.

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Speaker 3: Of him, your white wife, huh No, I'm sorry, But.

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Speaker 4: Doctor Umar was because was mad at me because I

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Speaker 4: was critical of him of how he raised money and

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Speaker 4: some of the stuff he said about gay people. And

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Speaker 4: the reason people know that doctor Umar is doctor Umar

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Speaker 4: is because I did the journalism and actually validated his PhD.

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Speaker 1: So and people got mad at you for that, and people.

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Speaker 4: Was mad at me doctor Umar. Haters was mad at

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Speaker 4: me because you validating him. And what I'm what I'm

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Speaker 4: trying to do is be fair, right, And so if

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Speaker 4: both sides are kind of mad at you, you probably

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Speaker 4: know you were doing the right thing and you were

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Speaker 4: at least fair.

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Speaker 5: But when did you get to a point where you

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Speaker 5: can have a real conversation? Right? I remember Floyd Mayweather.

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Speaker 2: Back in the day where you know, ten years ago

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Speaker 2: he was I like Donald Trump, right, and people were

719
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Speaker 2: canceling him and this, that and the other. But when

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Speaker 2: do we have a point where we can have a

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Speaker 2: conversation and be like, all right, Floyd, this is your opinion.

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Speaker 2: Why and then have a conversation because he might not

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Speaker 2: know some of the things that Floyd say, or there

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Speaker 2: might be something that you say that somebody might not know.

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Speaker 2: But you never get to that point if we can't

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Speaker 2: have a conversation. And the first thing is like he said,

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Speaker 2: it's confrontation.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think we can have that conversation. Like I

729
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Speaker 3: do it all the time.

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Speaker 4: Like when I hear stuff that people who I disagree

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Speaker 4: with say, the first thing I do is try to

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Speaker 4: get in contact women see why, or try to research

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Speaker 4: and see why we can have that conversation. Now, the

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Speaker 4: thing is a lot of times because of social media,

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Speaker 4: because of the way the world works, right, Like, the

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Speaker 4: nuances of that conversation are never going to be talked

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Speaker 4: about or seen because it can't fit into a two

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Speaker 4: minute and twenty second clip. But we can have the conversation,

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Speaker 4: and I think that's on us to do because if

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Speaker 4: you have a platform like the Breakfast Club, you can

741
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Speaker 4: have those conversations in long form and explore those things,

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Speaker 4: and you don't have to have a hot take all

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Speaker 4: of the time because it's always going to be a

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Speaker 4: hot take, right, right, and you always go to Like

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Speaker 4: the pushback is kind of a reflection of how popular

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Speaker 4: and how impactful you are, because like, if I did it,

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Speaker 4: I'd have way less pushback sometimes, and what you guys

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Speaker 4: do because you got a bigger platform.

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Speaker 1: What them hip hop dudes talking to them politicians.

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Speaker 3: But the other thing is, right, here's the thing.

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Speaker 4: If you do something and with a platform that gets

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Speaker 4: big as yours or mine, right, and eighty percent of

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Speaker 4: the people like it, well eighty I'll just go say yeah,

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Speaker 4: I like that and just go on. Those twenty percent

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Speaker 4: that don't like it are going to scream at you

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Speaker 4: on social media. So the people who like it don't

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Speaker 4: ever say anything. They just like like it and move

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Speaker 4: on like So the people who are, for lack of

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Speaker 4: a better word, anti U, are haters are always going

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Speaker 4: to be the loudest.

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Speaker 1: The reason I like reading not just you know, your

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Speaker 1: book Black af but your articles is because of what

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Speaker 1: you're You look at things from a objective lens. I

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Speaker 1: remember an article you wrote one time, and it was

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Speaker 1: about Tim Scott's police reform bill. I want to say

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Speaker 1: it was a George Floyd police Yeah, I think it

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Speaker 1: was Walter Scott bill and Joe fluc If I'm not mistaking,

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Speaker 1: you said Tim Scott's bill was better.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Tim, So, Tim Scott's Walter Scott Notification Act would

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Speaker 4: have required every police department in America to notify not

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Speaker 4: just when they when, because first of all, most people

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Speaker 4: don't know that like, no one in America, the whole

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Speaker 4: world knows how many black people police killed every year

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Speaker 4: because there's no mechanism to report police killings.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: So Tim Scott's bill would have not just notified of

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Speaker 4: the federal government every time a police officer kills someone,

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Speaker 4: but every time a police officer fired their gun, it

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Speaker 4: would have the name, age, race of the person they

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Speaker 4: were firing at all of that, right, And so that

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Speaker 4: part of Tim Scott's.

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Speaker 3: Bill that's wild that that that's not recorded.

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Speaker 5: I didn't know that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought every time a police officer shoots his

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Speaker 2: fire on that just had to be documented, and it

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Speaker 2: had to.

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Speaker 4: In some police departments it does, right, But then it

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Speaker 4: stays in that police department, They're gonna.

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Speaker 3: Have to go to state agency or federal agency. So

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Speaker 3: we don't know, right.

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Speaker 4: Like the things that you see about the numbers of

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Speaker 4: how many people are killed by police, those are from

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Speaker 4: media reports on duty police officers who kill someone only

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Speaker 4: with their gun.

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Speaker 3: Right, Like like like when you see.

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Speaker 4: Like George Floyd isn't in the police killing database, is

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Speaker 4: not in the police killing database, right, So it's only

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Speaker 4: people who are shot and killed by on duty police officers, right.

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Speaker 4: So Tim Scott's bill was better, right, But then Tim

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Speaker 4: Scott sabotaged it because qualified Community, Nah, because of the

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Speaker 4: National Sheriffs Association had LEO headed by Leon Lott, who

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Speaker 4: is the most powerful man in South Carolina, and they

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Speaker 4: didn't want to give up that power to the federal

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Speaker 4: federal government because of this white supremacist ideology. And y'all

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Speaker 4: can look it up in google the constitutional sheriff's idea

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Speaker 4: that sheriffs are above the constitution, Like they don't. They

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Speaker 4: are the enforces of the constitution that are kind of

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Speaker 4: above the constitution. And it's a white supremacist movement that

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Speaker 4: nobody writes or talks about.

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Speaker 3: And that's who sabotage police reform.

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Speaker 1: So I thought, I thought people didn't like Tim Scott's

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Speaker 1: bill because he didn't he didn't want to qualify, he

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Speaker 1: didn't want to scribe qualified immunity.

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Speaker 4: Well, that was one of the that was one of

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Speaker 4: the things the differences between like the Democrats bill and

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Speaker 4: Tim Scott's, But that that's not what sabotaged because really

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Speaker 4: qualified immunity isn't like, isn't it really deal breaking?

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Speaker 3: And to tell you the truth, right, that the Federal

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Speaker 3: Police Reform Bill can only do so much.

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Speaker 4: Right, that's the importance of knowing about politics, right, because

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Speaker 4: because the federal the federal government doesn't control police officers

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Speaker 4: and they don't control what the laws that govern police officers,

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Speaker 4: what the Federal Police Reform Bill would have been was

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Speaker 4: a mechanism to control the federal funds that police departments get. Right,

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Speaker 4: Because they can't govern police departments. That is a state

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Speaker 4: level bill, So we should be trying to make this

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Speaker 4: movement a state level movement. And that's why knowledge of

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Speaker 4: politics is important, because the federal government really can't do

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Speaker 4: anything but say, hey, if y'all your police department doesn't

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Speaker 4: use body cams, then you don't qualify for these federal

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Speaker 4: funds that we give police.

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Speaker 3: Departments every year. Right, And that's all the federal government

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Speaker 3: can do.

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Speaker 1: So why do we let these negroes get away with

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Speaker 1: saying the Biden administration they did ban the use of

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Speaker 1: choke holds and no knock warrants when we know that's

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Speaker 1: on a federal level.

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Speaker 4: Right, because of a lack of knowledge about politics, Because again,

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Speaker 4: we don't have these conversations, these long form, deeper conversations,

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Speaker 4: because people believe what they read on social media and

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Speaker 4: stead of investigating it for themselves. Because like the FBI

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Speaker 4: and the Secret Service are the only one the only

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Speaker 4: entities or agencies that can be banned from using no

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Speaker 4: knock warrants and choke holds. Now, what we can say is,

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Speaker 4: if you're the police department, don't ban no knock warrants

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Speaker 4: and choke holds, then you won't get the federal.

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Speaker 3: Funds to buy body cams or to buy police armor

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Speaker 3: or stuff like that.

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Speaker 4: Now you can withhold funds, but you can't really tell

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Speaker 4: police departments. And y'all can knock on somebody door go

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Speaker 4: in without a no knock warrant.

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Speaker 1: We're talking to Michael Harriet, the author of Black af

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Speaker 1: History and The Unwhitewatch Story of America. Another thing I

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Speaker 1: love about the book is it shows how when it

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Speaker 1: comes to America, nearly everything started in South Caroline. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's everything.

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Speaker 4: That's always been one of my premises for like years,

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Speaker 4: even before I begin writing the book, is that the

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Speaker 4: thing is the capital of Black America. If there is

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Speaker 4: such a thing as Black America, then its capital is

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Speaker 4: in South Carolina. Forty percent of all the people who

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Speaker 4: were enslaved in America came through South Carolina. And if

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Speaker 4: you talk about just spending time in South Carolina, Carolina

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Speaker 4: and a port or something like that, it goes up

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Speaker 4: to ninety percent. Right, So Black America, like all of

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Speaker 4: the laws, like the law that stopped cities from being

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Speaker 4: able to segregate buses, didn't come from the Montgomery bus boycott, right,

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Speaker 4: that came from a South Carolina bus protest years before

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Speaker 4: the Montgomery bus boycott. As a matter of fact, when

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Speaker 4: Montgomery went to federal court and took their case to

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Speaker 4: the Supreme Court, the reason is not a Supreme Court

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Speaker 4: case is because it's the Supreme Court said, oh yo,

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Speaker 4: we already decided this in South Carolina. Right, So everything

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Speaker 4: starts in South Carolina. All of the laws that governed

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Speaker 4: the enslaved are because of a slave revote in seventeen

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Speaker 4: thirty nine in South Carolina.

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Speaker 2: I think most people, if they do their family history,

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Speaker 2: they'll see a relative that came from South Carolina.

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Speaker 5: Their mom is from South Carolina. All this is from.

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Speaker 2: If they're black, Caribbean is different. But if they're black,

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Speaker 2: like my mom just showed me a picture. It was

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Speaker 2: her baby picture and she's from South Carolina and she

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Speaker 2: showed me. She was like, look, we was broken pre

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Speaker 2: in South Carolina. Look at the back, but you understand.

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Speaker 2: But that's where the initi thing came from.

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Speaker 4: And the other thing that I talk about in the

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Speaker 4: book and we don't know is that the Caribbean connection,

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Speaker 4: because most of the enslaved people from South Carolina.

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Speaker 3: Was shipped them from the Caribbean.

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Speaker 4: Right, Like South Carolina was was basically first created by

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Speaker 4: a group of white people who lived who had plantations

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Speaker 4: in Barbados, right, So they bought enslaved people from the

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Speaker 4: Caribbean and then started going to back to Africa, to

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Speaker 4: the rice coast of Africa when they realized, hey, these

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Speaker 4: people know how to grow rice. And it's a whole

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Speaker 4: chapter in the book on like how rice built America

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Speaker 4: and like before South Carolina and black people in South

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Speaker 4: Carolina started growing rice, most people don't know.

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Speaker 3: For instance, like it was slaves were eighty percent black.

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Speaker 4: That's they weren't creating other slaves because they were just

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Speaker 4: importing black men. But black women were the one who

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Speaker 4: knew how to grow rice and knew the agricultural technology.

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Speaker 4: So that's when they started trans enslaving more black women

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Speaker 4: and that's how it became about about one to one

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Speaker 4: in America.

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Speaker 1: Have you been through the International African American Museum.

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Speaker 3: Yeah that I was there on opening weekend.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah, man, I loved this book.

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Speaker 1: All this stuff that you're talking about and stuff that

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Speaker 1: we we got taught a little bit growing up in Charleston,

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Speaker 1: not the way we should have, like.

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Speaker 4: But Charceton people in Charleston know a lot more than

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Speaker 4: people everywhere else, just because like it's something that you

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Speaker 4: can't ignore in charst.

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Speaker 1: Rebellion, then invest like you're gonna learn about it.

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Speaker 2: It feels like it's in the dirt there. We're here

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Speaker 2: in New York growing up. They tell you you learned

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Speaker 2: about Frederick Douglas, you learn about Rosa Parks, you learned

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Speaker 2: about Matin Luther King, you learned about Malcolm Bax, You

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Speaker 2: learned about those people.

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Speaker 5: That's it, right, And a.

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Speaker 4: Lot of it is because like those people, the black

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Speaker 4: people in Charleston, it was passed down not in schools,

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Speaker 4: but by the people who were involved in it.

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Speaker 1: That's right. I encourage anybody if you go to Charleston,

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Speaker 1: just go on a tour. Just get one of the

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Speaker 1: brothers and sisters to take you on a tour of

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Speaker 1: downtown Charleston, and you get all of that and go

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Speaker 1: see to go to the International African American Museum and

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Speaker 1: by Black af History, the unwhitewashed story of America from

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Speaker 1: South Carolina's own Michael Harriet tell we appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: I'm on all social media as m I C h

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Speaker 3: A E l h A R. R I O T.

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Speaker 4: I write weekly, well three times a week for the

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Speaker 4: Grillo and have the Greeo Daily Podcast where I talk

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Speaker 4: about the same stuff we're talking about here, not with guests,

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Speaker 4: it's just me explaining stuff. So the Greo Daily Podcast

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Speaker 4: you can find me on social media under.

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Speaker 3: My name on all platforms.

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Speaker 2: Michael Harriet and gentlemen, It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning,

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Speaker 2: wake that ass up in the morning.

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Speaker 1: Breakfast Club