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Speaker 1: you know, vilify James Randy. I've never met him personally,

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00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 1: and again, I think that saving innocent people from someone

428
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 1: who would take advantage of them is a noble thing

429
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:50,360
Speaker 1: to do. But that's so far away. That's that's very

430
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,919
Speaker 1: little to do with the biggest awards, which we we

431
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 1: had to include because it's it's a pretty it's a

432
00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 1: pretty funny pun. And I'd love to see other people

433
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 1: who are other organizations who are rewarded this. I wonder

434
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: what his criteria is. But like we said earlier, one

435
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 1: of the other things that they studied here at the

436
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 1: ranch were these glowing lights that kept being reported, and

437
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: there are numerous attempts to explain this phenomenal, what the

438
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 1: heck is going on there? Most of these were hinging

439
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: on some of the more mundane explanations, like an aircraft

440
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 1: that would be going by with lights that are flashing

441
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 1: or some kind of gas. Um. You know, we've heard

442
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 1: a lot of these things before. Yeah, meteorological phenomenon. Yeah,

443
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 1: it's it's weird because you'll you'll hear these reports of

444
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: glowing orbs, right, that's something that frequently happens, and these

445
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 1: have been explained before. Is I mean, to paraphrase Beauty

446
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: and the Beasts, it's a tail as old as time.

447
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: Reports of will of the Whisp go back decades and

448
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: decades and decades and centuries. Well, the fact of the

449
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: matter is that as far as mainstream science goes, including

450
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 1: in many cases the team at NEEDS that was investigating this,

451
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: there are there is a wealth of possible explanations for

452
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: these things, none of which are necessarily extra terrestrial. And

453
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: and these guys have said before and the interviews that

454
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: they weren't necessarily out to find finger quotes or air

455
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 1: quotes aliens. They were they were trying to find some

456
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: sort of explanation for this. But no one has come

457
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: up with an instance of one of these alleged glowing

458
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: lights that could not be explained by something else, or

459
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: even more importantly, that could be explained by something outside

460
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: of the bounds of regular science, which you know makes

461
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: me wish that Jonathan we're here because this is one

462
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: of his favorite hobby horses to ride, Right, he would

463
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: get on this horse and oh man, you wouldn't see

464
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: him again for a week. Right, So you know, I

465
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: love that you point out it could be airplanes in

466
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: the distance, because that that tells us. Uh, that tells

467
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: us something interesting and that we go into in our

468
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: video series that also came out this week, which was great.

469
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: You mentioned at the top, Matt, that it was interesting

470
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: to you that Bigelow was investigating this stuff and also

471
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: founding an aerospace company. Oh yeah, an aerospace company out

472
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: there near Las Vegas, which I don't know. He's at

473
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: least interested in going to space, right and if if

474
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: he wants to do more research in that realm and

475
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: he wants to take human beings eventually to space, I

476
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: don't know he I'm I'm interested in this gentleman's uh

477
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: that maybe the things that he wouldn't release to the press,

478
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: that he wouldn't give out an official press release, some

479
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: of his beliefs. I want to sit down with this

480
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: dude and and talk to them one day. I'm not

481
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: a millionaire, so I don't know that's ever gonna happen.

482
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: But one can dream. Yeah, who knows? One can always dream? Right,

483
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: I want to take it a step further. This is

484
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: something we talked about, You and I have talked about

485
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: numerous times off the air, which is that many many

486
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: of the UFO reports from a few decades earlier turned

487
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: out to be top secret aircraft that the US was testing,

488
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:34,959
Speaker 1: And for that time, they were doing phenomenal things that

489
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: were just far beyond easily a decade beyond public technology.

490
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: We're talking about craft that could fly across the United

491
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: States in less than half the time that would take

492
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: a normal or a publicly known aircraft. So it's completely

493
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: possible that some of these things that are being seen

494
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: are actually aircraft being tested, you know. Oh yeah, And

495
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: especially in the late nineties like that man the tech was.

496
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: We may not even know some of the things that

497
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: were being developed at that time. I mean, honestly, we

498
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: we may not know yet, right like when everybody found

499
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: out that stealth helicopters exist, crash. Wait what yeah? So

500
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: so it's completely possible. Just because there isn't any evidence

501
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: at this point that it's something supernatural doesn't mean that

502
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: there is not um, there's not secrecy of foot you

503
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And at this point, if we

504
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: sum it up, if we sum up skin Walker Ranch,

505
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 1: then as near as we could find, it seems that

506
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: the investigations of needs, which disbanded, uh, the investigations of

507
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: needs bore little in the way of inarguable evidence, at

508
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: least in the case of Sherman or skin Walker Ranch.

509
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: And like I said earlier, you're gonna hear anecdotes. If

510
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: you just type in skin Walker Ranch into any search bar,

511
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: you're going to find all kinds of fun anecdotes that

512
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: make me. It takes me back to my X Files

513
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: days where I just want to go, oh, man, I

514
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: love this, this is so cool. Hopefully there's some kind

515
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: of shred of evidence that I can hang my beliefs on.

516
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: But you're really not going to find it. They didn't.

517
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: They didn't find any kind of body or unidentified animal

518
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: they could explain these the cattle mutilations that they were

519
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: looking into, um and really they didn't make any video

520
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: that would satisfactorily show some kind of this inexplicable light

521
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: that they kept talking about that would just it's just

522
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: it's it's so disappointing to me. Ben, Yeah, I get it.

523
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: And there's a quote that I'd like to pull from

524
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: an A M A and ask me anything thread that

525
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: uh that George Knapp participated in on Reddit. This this

526
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: response when when he was asked why I can't exactly remember,

527
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: but I think he was asked about skin Wall Ranch

528
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: when his experiences were like because he went there numerous times, right,

529
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: And he was asked about um in some very polite way,

530
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: about evidence lack thereof, and he said that he felt

531
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: at times there was some sort of intelligence that seemed

532
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: aware of things, was one step ahead of everybody. And

533
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: if and this is a huge gargangeline Purple Mountains of

534
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: Majesty's size, if there is something bizarre foot at skim

535
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: Walker Ranch, it has yet to be proven, unless, of course,

536
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: there's something. I guess the ranch or whatever powers behind

537
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: it don't want us to know that idea of an

538
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: intelligent being that is doing all of these things. It's

539
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: behind the mutilations, it's behind the lights. I love it.

540
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: The kid in me loves it. And one day, hopefully

541
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: it will be proven by the third wave of researchers

542
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: that go and stay at the Sherman Ranch one day perhaps.

543
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: Uh So, what what do you think about these stories

544
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: about skin Walker Ranch? Is this just a bunch of

545
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: WHOI Is there something genuinely strange and disturbing going on?

546
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: And I know these uh, I know this will probably

547
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 1: be a bit of a divisive topic for us. Uh

548
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: because I I think this stuff is fascinating and I

549
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: love seeing there is some sort of explanation. And if

550
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: you have to speculate, that's fine to let us know

551
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: what you think it could possibly be. Uh. If you

552
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 1: all are like me, um, profoundly disappointed that people don't

553
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: actually turn into animals, whether whether through some horrible transgression

554
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: or some dark right, then uh let me know about

555
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 1: that too. We can both complain together online. You can

556
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: find me on Facebook. I do the Facebook and I

557
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 1: do the Twitter here uh, and you can see a

558
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: lot of stories I find that don't typically make it

559
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: onto the air or on the news. Matt and I

560
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: are both into uncaught serial killers. And just for an example,

561
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: one of the recent stories that we posted we're recording

562
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: this uh involves a possible uncaught serial killer in a

563
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: small town in Ohio. So do visit us at Facebook

564
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 1: dot com forward slash conspiracy stuff to check that out.

565
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 1: And I, oh, we been that freaking sound is back again.

566
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: You can only mean one thing. It must be our

567
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: movement with hello, hey, hey know how's it going? Man?

568
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: That's going okay? How are you guys doing all right?

569
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 1: Doing all right? Uh? So the question for you and

570
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: you might have some questions to uh, if you could

571
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: just at will transform into an animal, any animal, what

572
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: would what would it be? Oh? Any any um? I

573
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 1: guess we should qualify any nonfictional fictional animal. Also, no

574
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: like dragons, which is clearly the best one. No final

575
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: fantasy summons. You know, my answer might surprise you, Ben,

576
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: because you you know about me that I hate and

577
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: slash I'm terrified of birds. But that just seems like

578
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: the most obvious go to thing because it would be

579
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: for transportation alone. I wouldn't have to book flights anymore.

580
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: You could just you know, turn into an eagle and

581
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: go to the keys or whatever. You know, be some

582
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: pretty long flights though, I know, but you get eased

583
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: to it, right, I guess yeah, I guess it depends

584
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: on what kind of bird you would be, Like would

585
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: you be a migratory bird, would you be a frigate bird?

586
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,959
Speaker 1: I believe they're the ones that can stay in air

587
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: for days at a time. But yeah, one of those.

588
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 1: But they're terrible on the ground. Yeah, they're pretty bad. Well,

589
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: you don't have to be a bird in the gray

590
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: you turn back into it a person? Is that? Well?

591
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: What about you met oh gosh, I would I would

592
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,479
Speaker 1: probably go with small, small fox. The small fox. Yeah,

593
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: just a tiny little fox. It's cool, man. I just

594
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: want to make videos. I would set up a camera,

595
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: turn into small fox, make a little fox sounds for

596
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: the video, like, turn back into human, stop the recording,

597
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: and then upload it to YouTube. Take over YouTube. That

598
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: would be great. I gotta watch out for those old

599
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: rich dudes on horseback wearing the red coats. Okay, I changed.

600
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: It makes me think of invisible. Yes. So I don't

601
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 1: know what which one I would be. It's such a

602
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 1: such a big choice. I guess would be kind of

603
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: cool to be a whale, but I don't know. I

604
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: don't know if I have the voice for it. Uh.

605
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: I asked my asked my girlfriend recently without hesitation. She

606
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: was like a house cat turned into a cat. I said,

607
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: what would you do? And she said I would learn secrets,

608
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: which is which is a great answer, but I completely

609
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: don't understand that and it makes me not trust cat.

610
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: Would you do as a as a whale? As a whale,

611
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: I don't like, just hang out, swim around and I

612
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 1: guess talk trash a large whale or like probably man,

613
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: if you're gonna go whale, go full whale, don't go

614
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: eight and a half yards. You know, I don't know. Man,

615
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: more I think about it, the more whale seems like

616
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: a lame answer. Maybe I don't know. A bird would

617
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: be cool. I always you know you know this about

618
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: about me, guys, Like I've gone through period where I

619
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 1: really want to befriend Corvid's like crows or ravens, because

620
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: they're so very intelligent and you can teach them to

621
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: recognize you, and they'll teach they're young to recognize you. Um,

622
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 1: but I think I just want to hang with them.

623
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: I want to be like they're token human. I don't

624
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 1: wanna You don't think they would pick on you, like

625
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: I feel like crows would just hate me. Why is that, man,

626
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 1: you're really good with I mean, you're good with people.

627
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: I assume it goes to birds just because I'm not.

628
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm not a chrow man. I think

629
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,399
Speaker 1: they would just they would drag on me all they'd

630
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: write jokes. Well there because you know there's some kind

631
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: of bilberr crow or raven and he's the one that

632
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: I would end up hanging out with. The bilber just

633
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: wrang on me all day, so so know you would

634
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: be an eagle. Huh. You know, I have to give

635
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: us some more thought. That's just the first thing that

636
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: comes to mind. Like I said, just if I'm being

637
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: purely functional about my skin walking, yeah, I feel like

638
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: flight would be a little bit better than than swimming

639
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: to and and whales are incredibly intelligent, but you know,

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Speaker 1: you're kind of limited in what you can do. You're

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Speaker 1: also a pretty big target, you know. Oh that's right. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Did you know Japan is going to unilaterally begin it's

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Speaker 1: whaling program again? So maybe poor timing on my part

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Speaker 1: too soon? All right, well, you know what, let's check

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Speaker 1: back in next week unless unless you've got anything. No,

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Speaker 1: I just did. The one thing that I guess I

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Speaker 1: was thinking about is do you guys both read or

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Speaker 1: watch the Game of Thrones? The see Oh yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's the skin changers or whatever in that show, and

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Speaker 1: and I guess it's not they're not exactly transforming, but

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Speaker 1: they're sort of inhabiting, you know, it's totem creatures. I

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Speaker 1: just kind of felt like there had to be a

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Speaker 1: parallel between the terms skin change and yeah, yeah, that

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Speaker 1: would be you know, that would be at least an

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Speaker 1: influence pretty cool. I don't know. Would it be better

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Speaker 1: to have an animal that like you, inhabit the body of,

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Speaker 1: or would be better to change into one, because if

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Speaker 1: you think about it, the drawback to that kind of

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Speaker 1: thing is you always end up naked at the end.

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Speaker 1: That's true. That does seem really inconvenient. I think the

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Speaker 1: vulnerabilities of changing into an animal, especially if it's a

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Speaker 1: much smaller animal, I think that's dangerous. So being able

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Speaker 1: to warp into one, but then you leave your physical body,

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Speaker 1: you know, if it's unattended, someone could always you know, exercise.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I should stick with the ocean so that we

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Speaker 1: have this whole land air sea thing going on for

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Speaker 1: like Superhero a whale and eagle in a tiny fox. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm still I'm not sold on whale. Maybe just a

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Speaker 1: sharp oh an octopus? Oh man, those things are cool.

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Speaker 1: We are pretty cool. I don't know. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: That's a little bit love crafty and okay, guys, so

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Speaker 1: let us know. I guess in addition, what kind of

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Speaker 1: animal you would want to transform into. We're just curious.

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Speaker 1: We're just no one's no one's getting graded. We're not

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Speaker 1: gonna be We're not gonna read your email or I

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Speaker 1: won't read your tweet or your Facebook and think that's

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Speaker 1: a dumb animal or whatever, because, let's face it, a

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Speaker 1: whale was kind of out there. It's not the most practical. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and who's who's kidding the fox? Come on? Let we

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Speaker 1: we will not judge you at all. Very interested though,

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Speaker 1: because that that really is a childhood thing, right, the

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Speaker 1: idea of being embodying an animal, Oh yeah, absolutely, from

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Speaker 1: people have animals with which they identify on a spiritual

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Speaker 1: level to right, um, a certain spirit animal and maybe

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Speaker 1: a totem of some sort that people worship. Uh so, yeah,

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Speaker 1: i'd be I'd be interested to hear about that. Oh

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Speaker 1: what about a spider? What if we's changed into a

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Speaker 1: spin Yeah? Okay, one time this is I don't know

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Speaker 1: But just one more thing. One time I had this

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Speaker 1: I would like bleat spiders o lord, And I found

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Speaker 1: like stolen someone's skin and just thought I was a

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Speaker 1: human being. It was trippy, man, that happened inside your head. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well it was a dream. It's not real. I'm a person.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, that is that's horrifying. Yeah, well, uh, speaking

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