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Speaker 1: William H. McRaven, you're missing out because I make my

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Speaker 1: Bed too. Mostly most to about it nothing about bed making.

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Speaker 1: But it's a great book. It's called Make Your Bed,

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Speaker 1: and it's it's an incredible book. Anyway, go ahead, Yeah, so,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. The promo videos have actually, I mean

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Speaker 1: you know, besides all the you know, I don't never mind,

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to finish that thought. Okay, so that

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Speaker 1: your book comes out in the fall. Yeah, but we're

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Speaker 1: right now. We're looking at late summer, early fall. All right,

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Speaker 1: and take me up in the air, you bet? All right?

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Speaker 1: So you heard it here, I'm going up in the

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Speaker 1: we get a nice cesson that will take you up.

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Speaker 1: It'll be great. Give us a give us like I

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Speaker 1: can't give us one lesson. Maybe it won't be in

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Speaker 1: the book. But what's coming in your head right now

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Speaker 1: you're you're one of them. So you know why I

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Speaker 1: that there are actually families, there are parents, There are

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Speaker 1: impact families. Take us behind the scenes right now of

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Speaker 1: dealing with as something like this comes to the forefront

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Speaker 1: be some nervous tension and some energy, especially if you're

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Speaker 1: one of the units who have been tapped to to

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Speaker 1: deploy to the Middle East, because you're you're just not

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Speaker 1: quite sure yet what you're going to face when you

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Speaker 1: whether this thing balloons into something much larger. But more

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Speaker 1: importantly are the families here back home, And it's not

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Speaker 1: just your immediate family, it's your grandparents, is everyone who's

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Speaker 1: associated with you as a service member. You love what

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Speaker 1: But your family is the one who you know they're

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Speaker 1: twiddling their thumbs wondering what is going to happen, and

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Speaker 1: Brad Blakeman, Republican strategist. We've heard the drumbeat of Democrats.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious to see what Ram Paul does about this.

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Speaker 1: But the politics of this. President Trump doesn't want to

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Speaker 1: President George Well, both Bushes entered into war the Gulf

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Speaker 1: These are heavy decisions for the very reason that we've

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Speaker 1: families at risk and um, so it's not an easy time.

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Speaker 1: And the president doesn't make these decisions any president of vacuum,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure that when President Obama made the decision to

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Speaker 1: So I think it's about time that the Democrats cut

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Speaker 1: him just a bit of slack as they returned to

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Speaker 1: Washington for their briefings on why, where and how does occurred?

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Speaker 1: All right, So the reason I'm laughing is not because

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Speaker 1: of the the idensity of this is because I'm literally

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Speaker 1: watching Joel Reuben, Democratic strategy of senior advisor to Bernie

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Speaker 1: politely cover his mouth as Brad Blakeman was saying that,

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Speaker 1: I know you're not respond you have the microphone, and

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Speaker 1: I know my friend Brad Blakeman will will give you

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Speaker 1: the same respect to let you talk as well. Perhaps

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Speaker 1: don't count on it. Look, you know, questioning one's patriotsism

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Speaker 1: are a commitment to country because they disagree with policies

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Speaker 1: beneath us all and I think that's what just happened. Happen.

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Speaker 1: It did. And um, when I want to point out clearly,

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Speaker 1: and I will be very uh American about this, the

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Speaker 1: American people expected us to attack Osama bin Laden and

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Speaker 1: get rid of him for having destroyed the Twin Towers

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Speaker 1: and killed three thousand American civilians. And that's what President

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Speaker 1: Obama did with full authority. That is not what we're

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Speaker 1: talking about. We didn't do with full authority. Againe authorization

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Speaker 1: a multi year effort engaging Congress and getting appropriations for

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Speaker 1: that operation, he enacted a successful one. That is not

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Speaker 1: what we're looking at now. But that's beside the point.

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Speaker 1: I think, going to the bigger point picture, No, no

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Speaker 1: choice without seeking American backup for it. We're a w

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Speaker 1: but we have attacked. You're saying we're headed to that.

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Speaker 1: This has been a consistent strategy. Can I ask you

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Speaker 1: a question, administration? Bad guy? The guy's a bad guy. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, are you happy that he's gone? Look, happy

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Speaker 1: a dumb question. I shouldn't ask. The question is was

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Speaker 1: think it's strategically sound too. Essentially assassinate a foreign powerhouse

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Speaker 1: kick us out and then have the other have the other. Uh.

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Speaker 1: It's difficult, but I will I will lay it out clearly.

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Speaker 1: You don't like the way here Iran. Iran is an

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Speaker 1: actor that needs to be reigned in. This does not

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Speaker 1: do that, all right, I hear you. So this is

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Speaker 1: this is and I mean we're we're talking to someone

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Speaker 1: who worked at the State's Department, someone who served to presidents,

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Speaker 1: and of course someone who knows general matters. So you

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Speaker 1: guys are the experts. I know, everyone knows what they're

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Speaker 1: talking about, and I very much respect all of the

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Speaker 1: different viewpoints coming up. What's on the panel's radar. I'm

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Speaker 1: Kevin CURRELLI, Chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and Radio,

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Speaker 1: and you're listening to Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg Sound Dawn

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Speaker 1: with Kevin Shirley on Bloomberg one and one All five

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Speaker 1: Chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and Bloomberg Radio. The

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Speaker 1: best team in the world, the Philadelphia Eagles are no

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Speaker 1: longer in the playoffs. Everyone's least favorite team in the world.

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Speaker 1: The New England Patriots are also no longer in the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: and the rumor is Tom Brady's thrown in the towel

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Speaker 1: on the Patriots talk about loyalty? Hey, who needs loyal

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Speaker 1: Who needs friends when you've got friends like Tom Brady? Anyway,

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Speaker 1: Dinod Grass is a Dallas Cowboys fan. But your son

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Speaker 1: made the right decision in life, sir, and us an

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Speaker 1: Eagles fan. How does that happen? I mean bad parenting.

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Speaker 1: I guess well he turned out all right in spite

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Speaker 1: of like how wait, but really, how does that happen?

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Speaker 1: You know? I have no idea. We've never lived in

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Speaker 1: Pennsylvania or in Philadelphia. In fact, the first time I

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Speaker 1: We lived overseason Japan for three and alfive years, came

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Speaker 1: back and suddenly he's all about the Philadelphia Eagles. You know,

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Speaker 1: I hear there's a big, large Philadelphia Eagles contingency in Japan.

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Speaker 1: There is. And the funny thing is my squadron was

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Speaker 1: is okay, that is an amazing story. All right. It's

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Speaker 1: Jove Ribbons here, Democratic extrapist, senior advisor to Bernie Sanders campaign.

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Speaker 1: He also worked at the State's Department. And of course

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Speaker 1: Brad Blakeman, Republican strategist, former deputy assistant to President George W. Bush. Brad,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna start with you because the President liked a

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Speaker 1: lot of your tweets. He called you out on Twitter

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Speaker 1: as a compliment, and in conservative world, that's a very

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Speaker 1: big deal. Your phone must have blown up. It's much

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Speaker 1: better to get a positive tweet from the president. Let

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Speaker 1: me start there. But the President's right, I am a

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Speaker 1: great lawyer. He called me a great lawyer. I appreciate

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Speaker 1: it and the fact does that help your business? I mean,

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Speaker 1: I know it's a personal watch. I mean, negative tweet

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Speaker 1: probably would hurt my business. Yeah, but a positive tweet,

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Speaker 1: I guess is probably expected. But to tell us, this

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Speaker 1: is what's on your radar, that's the points that you

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Speaker 1: were making. Go ahead, Okay, what's on my radar? Is this?

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Speaker 1: What is the House going to do with regard to

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Speaker 1: the articles of impeachment? I and this town operate on

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Speaker 1: a schedule, and the schedule is that they have to

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Speaker 1: back up the time from the from February four, at

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Speaker 1: the time the President will give his State of the Union.

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Speaker 1: I find it hard to believe that the Senate would

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Speaker 1: not want this wrapped up and the House when the

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Speaker 1: President addresses the nation, because of the trial is still

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Speaker 1: going on. The President will not only have his accusers

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Speaker 1: the House there will also have his jurors the Senate there.

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Speaker 1: So it's a very awkward time. I back it up

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Speaker 1: from February fourth. I think that is the drop dead

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Speaker 1: date for this to be done. But it's not impossible.

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Speaker 1: I mean, weirder things have happened everything, but that would

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Speaker 1: be really weird. Yeah, I mean imagine that, and I've

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Speaker 1: said this for a while now on this program. Imagine

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Speaker 1: all of the pomp and circumstances, the the Supreme Court justices,

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Speaker 1: Speaker Pelosi sitting behind him next to Vice President Mike

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Speaker 1: pets in the middle of the impeachment trial, and the

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Speaker 1: day after the Iowa caucus, the drama. I kind of

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Speaker 1: think there's part of President Trump's mind that would be like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: bring it on. I don't think so. I think, I think,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think. I don't think Democratic senators wanted

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Speaker 1: the way, I think they should recuse themselves because they

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Speaker 1: have a vested interest in him being convicted. Well to

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Speaker 1: that point, and I find it I'm very curious to

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Speaker 1: see what Joe Mansion does, Democrat from West Virginia. He's

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Speaker 1: not up for reelection, but they were a handful of

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Speaker 1: Democrats who didn't vote for impeachment in the House. You

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Speaker 1: look at that trend traditionally, that would mimic itself in

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Speaker 1: the Senate. Correct. I think Joe Mansion is a statesman,

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Speaker 1: He's going to do the right thing. I don't think

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Speaker 1: there's enough evidence to convict the president. Clearly, the Senate

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Speaker 1: will not convictims. He already we're in a who it ends.

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Speaker 1: We just don't know, all right, Brad Blakeman's obsessed with impeachment. No,

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Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not saying it as a criticism. That's

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Speaker 1: what's on your radar. Hey, we're honest on sound on,

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Speaker 1: We're honest. I'm gonna go to you next, Joel Reuben. Yes, well,

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Speaker 1: I before you ask the question, I gotta say I

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Speaker 1: want to put out there Sometimes it's good to say

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Speaker 1: what would make McConnell do if he were if he

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Speaker 1: were doing this? And you know what I would do

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Speaker 1: if I were make McConnell, I would hold off sending

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Speaker 1: the articles until September, right before the election. Sit make

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Speaker 1: him sweat? Why not? You know? And and so I

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Speaker 1: think it's just really funny that the Republicans are concerned

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Speaker 1: that the Democrats are finally playing some hardball. Makes McConnell

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Speaker 1: hold up a Supreme Court season did that for a

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Speaker 1: whole year. But I also think outside of this is

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Speaker 1: outside of the Beltway. I'm people are just what impeachment?

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Speaker 1: You know? But anyway, what's on your radar? Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: know what's on my radar? Well, you know, we got

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Speaker 1: the Democratic debate. Next week we got the primary. I'm

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Speaker 1: getting a zombie burger. You ever been in they? Alright,

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Speaker 1: the Moyne has this place called Zombie Burger, which has incredible,

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Speaker 1: incredibly unhealthy burgers that are the best burgers I've ever

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Speaker 1: had in my life. And they they're the bun is

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Speaker 1: made out of fried macaroni and cheese, and all months

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Speaker 1: since I learned, and today when my TV producer David

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Speaker 1: Suckerman said that we were going next week, I was like,

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Speaker 1: I get zombie Burger. So anyway, go ahead? You mean

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Speaker 1: it makes you zombie? Is that what happened? It's I'm

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Speaker 1: off on a tangent apologize powers of But when you

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Speaker 1: go into this place, there's a ton like dozens like

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Speaker 1: a sports bar would have TVs, but this has horror

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Speaker 1: movies on all of those TVs. So that's why it's

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Speaker 1: called zombie Burger. So what's on your radar? Iwa, it's

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Speaker 1: going to be determinedant Really it's we've got a three

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Speaker 1: way tie at the talk. We've got Biden, Boudeger and

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Speaker 1: Bernie three Bees, the Killer Bees, and it's it's it's

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Speaker 1: really well, I'm a Pittsburgh Steelers fan, so I still

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Speaker 1: live in the past, but no now now be nice,

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Speaker 1: but we've got we've got real, real interesting candidates in

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Speaker 1: dilemma dynamics right now, and I think I was gonna

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Speaker 1: gonna set a trajectory for one of them, clearly. But

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Speaker 1: that's what's on my right. Did you see what the

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Speaker 1: Daily Beast Hannah Trudeau wrote in the Daily Beast? Judge

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Speaker 1: put a link out to it. The headline on the

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Speaker 1: Daily Beast Obama World hates Bernie and has no idea

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Speaker 1: how to stop him. And my most striking response, studentscendant

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Speaker 1: senters is the lack of one is the tagline because

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Speaker 1: people kind of like Bernie and the question now is

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Speaker 1: how are they coming out and how are they going

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Speaker 1: to say it? Because there's you know, the progressives are

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Speaker 1: ascendant and dominant in democratic politics right now. We've got, uh,

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Speaker 1: we've got some votes to count before we really see

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Speaker 1: how dominant they are on the on paper. But Obama

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Speaker 1: World fell in love with Obama because he's a progressive.

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Speaker 1: And I think that ultimately we we will see that

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Speaker 1: that kind of energy and enthusiasm comes out. And that's

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Speaker 1: really for Democrats to challenge this year is is getting

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Speaker 1: a candidate who's enthusiastic and turns people out versus someone

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Speaker 1: who can argue stay of the course. And I'm a

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Speaker 1: safe bet, and you know what I am. And is

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Speaker 1: that going to turn people out as well? Threty four

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Speaker 1: point five million is what Sanders got the latest haul.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's five million in visual donations. Next closest

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Speaker 1: was Buddha point seven. All right, that's what's on your radar.

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Speaker 1: What's on your radar? Mr Snodgrass. So I'm going to

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Speaker 1: shift us away from Paul. Yes, please do foreign policy.

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Speaker 1: So I spent a year and a half in the

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Speaker 1: Trump administration in the front office with Secretary Mattis. So

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Speaker 1: I watched as we withdrew from Trans Pacific Partnership, as

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Speaker 1: we stepped out of the Paris claiming of cords, as

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Speaker 1: we dealt with the fire and fury of North Korea. Uh, certainly,

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Speaker 1: as we've dealt with the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action

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Speaker 1: that was the Iranian Nuclear Agreement. And it just feels

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Speaker 1: like is the year where all these chickens are gonna

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Speaker 1: come home to roost. Meaning there were a lot of

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Speaker 1: short term wins that were made. North Korea is a

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Speaker 1: great example some tested agreements. We got a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a concession out of North Korea, but all those

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Speaker 1: have stopped. Kim Jong hudens now saying he's gonna to

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Speaker 1: resume nuclear testing, he's gonna resume launching ballistic missiles. They've

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Speaker 1: started firing off short range ballistic missiles as of a

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Speaker 1: month or two ago. So it's gonna be interesting to

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Speaker 1: see how this plays out in twenty twenty, to find

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Speaker 1: out how this is actually all going to play out,

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Speaker 1: and no predictions. I think it's gonna you know, it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be it's gonna be happy, all right. So you're

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Speaker 1: saying that the that the pull out of all of

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Speaker 1: these different agreements and whatnot, that all of that, it's

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Speaker 1: gonna it's gonna come. The chickens, as you said, are

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Speaker 1: going to come home. All right. We're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: leave it there. My thanks, this was an all star

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Speaker 1: panel at Joel Ruben, Brad Blakeman geysnogratsa very much. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate you guys coming on tomorrow. Congress is back and

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Speaker 1: we'll have every angle covered. I'm back to Kevin Cirelli,

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