WEBVTT - What happened to the lost colony at Roanoke? 0:00:01.200 --> 0:00:11.319 Welcome to stuff you should know Groundhouse stuff Works dot Com. Hey, 0:00:11.400 --> 0:00:13.600 and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, and there's 0:00:13.640 --> 0:00:16.279 Charles Study Chuck Bryant, and we know where he is 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:22.520 right now. He's just sitting there crow at And that's 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:24.239 the best way to say that word. It does. It 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:27.440 sounds like we'll get to it, obviously, but sound pretty 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:30.440 like a very spooky ominous thing to carve on a tree. Yeah, 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:35.120 especially because it was carved on the tree. Yeah, by 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:39.240 missing people. Vanished people are like what but historians are like, yeah, 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:42.680 that's exactly how you say it. I can't wait for 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:46.320 this one. Uh, well you're right here, you don't have 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:48.479 to wait. Let's experience. No. I was saying that historians 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:52.080 are saying that, Okay, yeah yeah, um so Chuck, Yes, 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:55.960 have you ever been to Roanoke, Virginia. I've been through there. Yeah, 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:59.080 and like a dummy, I thought that might have been 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:01.440 where the settlement was. Well it's not just h man. 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:05.640 I wrote this article what happened to the Lost Colony 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:09.240 at Roanoke, and I forgot that it wasn't Roanoke, Virginia. 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:12.880 What we're talking about is Roanoke, North Carolina, which is 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:16.080 an island that's part of the Outer Banks, very lovely, 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:18.800 and Virginia was very heavily settled, So it's not like, 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:22.680 you know, there wasn't Roanoke, Utah, right, So I'm giving 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:24.560 ourselves a break for getting that confused. I bet a 0:01:24.560 --> 0:01:26.840 lot of people think it might be Virginia well. Plus, also, 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:31.880 the Roanoke Colony was um the first English settlement in 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:35.080 the New World, and Roanoke, Virginia is not too far 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:38.160 away from it. They moved on to Jamestown to found 0:01:38.360 --> 0:01:43.479 that that was the first successful English colony. Yeah. Um, 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:46.560 so you can you know understand why you or anybody else, 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:49.680 including me, would think we're talking about Roanoke, Virginia. But 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:51.880 that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about Roanoke, 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:57.640 North Carolina. And uh it was settled in three waves, 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:00.680 and all three of them were at the behest of 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:04.880 one guy named Sir Walter Rawley. Sir Walter Rawley had 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:07.680 something that a lot of other people wanted. He was 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:13.840 born a commoner, that pride um he was damnably proud. 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:20.359 I understand a biography um cites him as to decline 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:23.639 and eventual beheading, But He was a big favorite of 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:25.960 Queen Elizabeth the First and he was a member of 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:29.200 her court, and she gave him the patent to any 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:33.640 English settlement in the New World. Like he had it 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:37.359 wide open. As long as there weren't other Christians settled 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:41.560 on a piece of land, he could have a crack 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:45.160 at it and get he would own it. Well. She 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:50.040 was very concerned about the native people though, right, No, okay, 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:53.680 sorry I had that confused. No, it was specifically other Christians. 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:56.000 So basically she was saying, like, the Spaniards are already 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:59.000 there in Florida Stier, clear of those guys, the French 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:01.760 there in the beaver Pelts, so they're probably going to 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:04.720 be a little north. Maybe you should go to North Carolina. Good, 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:07.720 try that, And so Robie did. He he didn't go. 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:10.480 He went later on, but um he sent a first 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:16.399 wave an expedition, uh in early fifteen eighties something. Yes, 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:18.200 I don't have the date there for this one, but 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:23.720 the first that was the first real attempt at a settlement. 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:25.520 The first one was just like an expedition like just 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:30.320 to go check out good place prefift so fifteen eighty 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:34.000 five that was the first attempt to actually settle the 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:37.600 island of Rona. And it was just dudes um on 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:41.160 this trip. It wasn't like um families and kids and 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:44.240 things like that. It was just some dudes, adventurous guys, 0:03:44.280 --> 0:03:46.800 a lot of them soldiers. Among them was a guy 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:49.680 named John White, who was an artist who ended up 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:53.040 making a lot of the well, the first maps of 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:57.680 the New World English maps were drawn by John White, 0:03:57.680 --> 0:03:59.880 and he was really good at it. And I think 0:03:59.880 --> 0:04:04.320 he was promised five acres in the end, Like, Hey, 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:06.480 if you go set this thing up and it takes 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:08.760 you can pick out five hundred choice acres for yourself. 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:11.760 So he's like a lot of lands. Good deal, let's go. Yeah. 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:16.080 John White was a pretty good guy from what I understand. Um, 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:19.279 the problem was he wasn't leading that expedition. He was 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:23.600 just a member of it. Uh he The guy who 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:26.520 was leading it was a dude named Ralph Lane. And 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:33.920 Ralph Lane was a really brutal jerk. Um. Initially, the Indians, 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:40.840 the local tribes, the Scdan tribe, right, Yeah, they were 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:47.640 friendly to the the first expeditionary group, the first planters, 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:50.599 what they're calling to their detriment of course. Yeah, So 0:04:50.880 --> 0:04:55.480 Ralph White routinely holds their leaders hostage in exchange for food, 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:59.440 kills indiscriminately, even though they were relying on these very 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:02.960 people to teach them the ways and how to grow 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:04.880 these new crops and things that they had no idea 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:07.960 about how to survive there, right, they depended on them 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:10.279 and killed them at the same time. Right. Well, eventually, 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:12.960 after a while, the Saccodan tribe said, you know what, 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:17.880 to hell with you, buddy, good luck and uh. After that, 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:21.200 the hundred I think it was a hundred people right 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:27.400 for the expedition, Yes, a hundred men. After ten months 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:30.320 they were like, we need food and we're going to die, 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:33.599 so let's just go back to England. I should have waited, yeah, 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:36.640 because I think like to two weeks later a supply 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:40.120 ship came. Yeah, they would have been, but at the 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:43.400 same right, at the same time, they were basically at 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:46.520 war with the surrounding like all the surrounding tribes. Not 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:48.719 all of them were friendly off the bat, but by 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:52.159 the end of the ten months, all of them hated. Uh, 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:56.680 this this group of one Englishmen. So they leave, they 0:05:56.720 --> 0:05:59.520 go back and we're always like, it was a pretty 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:01.040 good at ten but I think we can do better. 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:03.800 Maybe we need some women, some children, and John White, 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:05.600 I like the cut of your jib, So you lead 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:07.640 this one. Let's just make a go of it as 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:10.920 like a real settlement, not just adventuring dudes. But let's 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:13.960 really try and settle this place as a colony of 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:18.880 families and people. Yes. So, Uh, the seven Expedition is 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:21.719 what it's called. Was I think a hundred and eighteen 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:25.240 people including John White, led by John White who was 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:28.960 now the governor. And uh, they came back and they 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:33.960 were actually not supposed to stay at Roanoke. It was 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:36.080 obvious to everybody this was a bad place to be. 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:39.159 The Indians hated everybody. Yeah, well what not? Well, I 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:41.840 guess what sort of obvious? Um it was not. So 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:44.120 it wasn't a safe place to be. And I think 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:46.839 they originally intended to move a little further up into 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:51.039 the Chesapeake, but they ended up in Roanoke Island. I 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:55.880 guess to check on some soldiers. Yeah, and we'll get 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:58.000 to the little mystery. There's a little mystery there that 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:00.440 we'll get too later. Right on why they day there, 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:03.680 we should say that there were soldiers on Roanoke because 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:07.800 that supply ship that came two weeks later left fifteen 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:11.680 men to keep an English presence in the New World. Yeah, 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:13.440 and I think all they found was the bones of 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:15.720 one body, right, Yeah, one single body, and the other 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:18.760 fourteen were missing, missing and gone. But that was not 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:21.160 the lost Colony of Roanoke. Oh no, no, No, that 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:25.240 was just some soldiers. No, the hundred and seventeen, I 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:29.800 think you said one or not. No, I think it 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:32.640 wasn't because White was heard from again, so I think 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:36.760 it was one eighteen at least, um, give or take. 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:41.360 Let's say they settled there, they build their little two 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:46.760 story cottages. Um, they meet some friendlies. Yeah, they actually 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:52.960 turned the tide and made the Sacodan tribe nice again. Yeah, 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:55.520 they met some not so friendlies that tended to just 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:57.960 sort of leave them alone though, at least at first. Yeah. 0:07:58.040 --> 0:08:01.280 And they treated also with the Powhattan, who were um 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:06.240 on an island called crow Tone, yeah, which is now 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:10.040 patteras Um and crow Toe. Like we said, we'll figure 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:14.080 in here in a second. So they were doing pretty well. Um, 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:17.640 but they were in for hard times right off the bat. 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:21.240 They arrived in July, which is past the planning season, 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:23.160 so they had no crops right off the bat Yeah, 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:25.400 which is later than they were supposed to arrive, which 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:27.400 is part of the mystery that is yet to be revealed. 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:32.720 Yes again they um were initially confronted with hostile Indians. 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:35.679 They managed to turn the tide. Um. But there were 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:40.080 some delightful things that happened. For example, John White's granddaughter, 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:43.440 Virginia Dare, became the first English child born in the 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:47.920 New World. Yeah. Delightful for a moment. Um. Tragic in 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:52.079 the end. Uh. But Um, even though they did make 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:56.200 friends with the pau Hatton's, they were essentially dependent on 0:08:56.240 --> 0:09:00.960 England still, which is important because without that, John White 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:02.760 might have stayed. If they would have been fully self 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:07.240 sufficient at that point, he might have stuck around. And um, 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:10.800 although he may have met the same mysterious fate as 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:14.240 the other loss or lost folks. Yeah, and I think 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:16.760 that that the mystery might not have been quite as 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:20.000 mysterious without John White to report it initially. Yeah. Maybe. 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:23.079 So he leaves to go back to England, um the 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:27.000 same year that the Seven Colony was established, and they 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:30.079 say that to get provisions right, they say that he 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:33.760 was delayed in getting back because the English and the 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:36.440 Spanish went to war. Yeah, dude, it took him three years, 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:39.160 three years. He finally got back in fifteen ninety. Like, 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:41.760 I don't know what he expected. Did he expect like 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:44.240 them to be thriving? And I guess that's what he 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:45.920 was hoping for. I'm sure he was hoping for it, 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:48.040 but I'll bet at the very least he was expecting 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:51.080 for some evidence of what became of them or something. 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:55.480 When he landed and in fifteen ninety back on Roanoke, 0:09:55.800 --> 0:10:00.800 he was confronted with a mystery that's lasted for four 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:06.440 hundred something years, four hundred and twenty three years. Yes, 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:10.680 what he arrived back to was no people, no bones, 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:16.760 no bodies, no clothing, no supplies, no buildings, no nothing 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:21.720 except for what the remnants of a wall or a fort, 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:24.080 a fort that hadn't been there when he left. So 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:27.640 they had assembled a fort in that basically a fort 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:32.640 meaning just some pikes surrounding the settlement. The problem was 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:37.360 the settlement was gone everything like not. There weren't burned 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:42.720 out shells, there weren't tumbled down buildings. He said. His 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:46.880 quote was that they've been taken down. Yeah, they disassembled 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:51.720 the buildings. Yeah, it wasn't like um any signs of 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:53.840 of the war had gone on, and that there was 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:56.200 a massacre that had taken place, and that they burned 0:10:56.200 --> 0:10:59.520 their huts and you know, assaulted the people and killed 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:02.319 them and left their bones. It's like they just left, right. 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:05.319 So there was no evidence of murder. There was no 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:09.320 evidence of um, of a hasty exit. There was no 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:12.880 evidence that they were following fish around the country. Right. 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:18.680 Had they settled in Vermont maybe you know PAULI right? Um? 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:21.360 And there was no sign of distress. Apparently they had 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:26.120 a an agreed upon symbol if John White came back 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:28.800 and they were under duress or had been under duress, 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:32.439 they were supposed to carve a Maltese cross in the somewhere. Well, 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:35.120 they didn't carve a Maltese cross. They carved crow Towing. 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:38.920 So they had an opportunity to carve something, and they 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:42.280 didn't carve the distress signal. They carved crow tone. Yeah, 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:44.599 which to me, and if I was John White, I 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:47.600 would think the same thing. That means, hey, no distress. 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:50.640 I guess they went to crow A Towing where the 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:54.400 Indians that we were friendly with lived. Yeah, it makes 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:56.280 good sense, And I think it was a crow a 0:11:56.320 --> 0:11:58.560 tone in one tree and then c R O in 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:01.680 a post on the fort just crow. Yeah, but it 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:05.000 didn't say like crow like they're like no, nothing like that. 0:12:05.880 --> 0:12:08.200 It was more just like we already carved it once 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:11.880 or maybe those that they had a carving race. Maybe 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:15.440 you know Diddy Johnson carved it quickly. Yeah, Virginia Dare 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:19.920 is terrible at carving because she was three. Yeah, well 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:22.200 let's you should never put a three year old up 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:25.480 against an adult, good wife, or never give a three 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:30.160 old a knife. Yeah, I think that's the key. So um, 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:33.679 So John White is like, okay, well this is really weird. 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:38.280 Everybody's vanished and he's probably sad. Yeah, and he goes, okay, 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:43.319 I'm going back to England. He had a very um history. 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:48.000 Is not necessarily treated John White well historians, I should say, 0:12:48.360 --> 0:12:51.400 he's been described it turns as paranoid, which we'll get into. 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:56.640 And also it's a little flaky. At the very least. 0:12:56.679 --> 0:13:00.000 My interpretation of John White is that he didn't stay 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:03.520 end up to people like maybe he should have. So 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:07.319 the um, the the sailors that he's with that he 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:11.800 sailed back with provisions to Roanoke with said hey man, 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:14.480 I think a storm's coming, Let's just get out of here. 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:16.439 So he never went the crow a tone and to 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:20.920 find out what happened to the colonists. For fifteen twenty 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:23.920 one years, there were no expeditions to find out what happened. 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:26.880 It wasn't until Jamestown in sixteen o seven that they 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:30.319 finally started looking and then making a habit of when 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:33.559 they came across Native tribes saying, hey, uh, you see 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:36.400 a bunch of white people around here. Yeah, and um, 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:39.880 and actually there had been some proposed expeditions that people 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:41.839 had carried out, but they never actually went to search 0:13:41.880 --> 0:13:45.120 for him. They just used it as an excuse for piracy. Um. 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:47.400 But yeah, once Jamestown settled, one of the one of 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:50.720 the main things they did was question local Indians, and 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:56.640 they actually got some pretty intriguing answers. Yeah. Um, like, well, 0:13:56.679 --> 0:14:00.320 they also found some pretty intriguing things like in adiends 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:03.920 with gray eyes and a boy with blonde hair but 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:06.880 in Native American clothing. Yeah, they're like, hey, kid, come 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:08.840 over here, and the kid takes off. Yeah. They didn't 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:11.240 get a chance to question them, right right. Um. And 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:15.560 these are apparently like eyewitness reports from reliable Jamestown planners 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:20.520 um so, and then from the local tribes they found 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:23.680 that there were supposedly people who lived in two story 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:28.640 stone structures with thatched roofs, totally unique to the English. Um. 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:31.640 There were supposedly people who spoke English and like read 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:34.240 the Bible who lived you know, further down the coast, 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:36.880 but they never found any of them. Yeah. And part 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:38.920 of the problem too, that we should point out is 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:42.240 that they aren't exactly sure, because of poor record keeping, 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:46.400 exactly exactly where the settlement was to begin with, so 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:49.320 they didn't know where to look. Um White I think 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:52.560 had had said it was further north on the island, um, 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:56.720 where the original dudes were adventuring, and um, I think 0:14:56.760 --> 0:15:00.440 a Spanish dude had said, no, it's worked towards the 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:03.440 center of the island, and they found evidence of like 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:05.200 cannons and things there, so they think it might have 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:08.160 been there. Yeah, and they think that possibly, um, the 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:11.200 settlement is now underwater, like there's been massive erosion on 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:14.320 the island since the sixteenth century. It's only twelve miles 0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:16.240 long though, but of course back then that's a bigger 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:19.720 search area than they were capable of, you know. Yeah. Well, 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:23.320 they also think though that um, that in the last 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:26.720 four hundred years, as much as a quarter mile um 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:29.440 of the coast of the coast is eroded inland, and 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:32.680 that yeah, it's very possible to settlements underwater. Now interesting, 0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:34.840 I saw a thing on I watched a little YouTube 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:36.960 thing on this. It was kind of a silly show. 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:39.000 But this, uh, there was one cool part where this 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:44.080 uh tree experts said that you can drill into the 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:48.480 core of a tree and study how much rainfall um 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:52.320 as that historically that that area has gotten. And they 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:54.680 found this you know tree that was like five years old, 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:57.640 drilled into the core and found that the biggest drought 0:15:57.680 --> 0:16:00.960 of the past eight hundred years occurred in right, they 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:03.240 walked right into it. So it was just not a 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:05.320 good situation. Of course, I didn't prove anything. That was 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:08.120 a nice little footnote. Yeah, what was silly about it? 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:10.480 Did they did they break into dance and song? Here? No, 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:12.600 the guy on the show, he's like, you know, one 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:15.880 of these like history detectives, and he rented a you know, 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:18.160 the little pair of gliders to have a fan attached 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:19.920 to your back. He's like, I wanted to get an 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:22.800 aerial view. So like, dude, you just wanted to ride 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:25.400 around on that thing, like you got absolutely nothing from that? 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:30.000 Why an aerial Yeah, and afterwards we learned nothing about it. 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:31.680 He was just like boy, and you know, that's just 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:34.520 a good way to see the island. So anyway, he 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:37.400 was silly, um. And it was not a Discovery network, 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:41.480 so I can say that. So so Chuck, Yes, the 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:46.120 colonists are lost. The colony is lost, if any idea 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:48.240 where it is. And they've even found like parts of 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:52.960 the colony. Yeah, they found a guy's ring, right, Yeah. 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:57.280 They found the first scientific laboratory um ever created in 0:16:57.320 --> 0:17:01.240 the New World, Thomas Harriet. Um. So they found like 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:04.480 other stuff, they just can't find the seven one, which 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:08.480 is weird. Um. But there are a lot of theories 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:13.080 abounding for what happened to the colonists, and I think 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:19.040 it's awesome that there are none that fully explain what happened. 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:21.960 I love historical mystery. I think that's cool when they're solved, 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:23.840 and I like it when they're unsolved. Yeah, this one's 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:27.360 like as American as it gets. This is an American mystery, 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:31.080 that's right. Um. One clue that uh, you know, White 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:33.240 wrote down a bunch of stuff in a letter obviously, 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:34.880 when he went to check things out, and one thing 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:38.399 he said that is pretty key was that they moved 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:41.320 fifty miles into the main which everyone took to me 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:44.280 and into the main part of North Carolina inland into 0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:47.240 the forest. But now they think maybe he'd met Mike 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:52.280 to the main towards Chesapeake. Ya. Uh that or if um, 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:55.520 if you look at the distance between crow tonin and 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:59.199 um Roanoke is fifty miles, So they could have just 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:04.639 assimilated with a friendly tribe and uh mixed their races 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:09.520 and eventually became an altogether new Well. Yeah, and there's 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:13.280 actually a tribe that counts Um part of its origin 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:18.439 story as the Roanoke settlers. Yeah, the Lumbi tribe of 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:22.080 Robeson County, North Carolina. See this sounds really compelling to me. 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:26.399 It does. Um, if you ask the average Lumbie, depending 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:28.400 on who you ask, you're gonna get like a yeah, 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:31.680 of course or a no that's not the case. Yeah. 0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:34.680 It just depends the tribes divided as to its the 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:39.280 whether or not the Um they they assimilated the Roanoke 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:42.920 colonists or not. But there are some there's some pretty 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:47.320 tantalizing evidence. For example, Apparently as early as seventeen nineteen, 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:51.400 some members of the Lumbie tribe had surnames that were 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:54.440 the same as some of the Lost colonists, like Hyatt 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:59.800 Dial Taylor. I think if a Native American walks studio 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:02.919 and says, hey, Jim Taylor, nice to meet you in 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:06.640 seventeen nineteen, BERMUDI like they could read. They can read, 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:08.679 you know that stuff turns brown in the winter. Not 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:13.520 a fan. Uh. They spoke English and could like read 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:16.000 and write. I think, right, yeah, they were familiar with 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:20.600 the Bible. Yeah, so come on, well, here's the thing, um, 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:24.119 whether or not that is if, if that happened in 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:29.199 seventeen nineteen, yeah, that's pretty compelling evidence. But there was 0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:33.040 still a hundred years of exposure that could have happened 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:36.040 little by little. You could still account for it, if 0:19:36.040 --> 0:19:39.840 you ask me. I think the Lumby connection is pretty 0:19:40.320 --> 0:19:43.159 it's pretty interesting at the very least. And maybe some 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:45.280 of them went that way. You know, it's possible. No 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:48.159 one has no one, you know, did they have to 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:52.960 stay together? No, not necessarily. But with the tribe, it's 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:55.000 kind of like, well, these are our origins or they're 0:19:55.040 --> 0:20:00.240 not our origins, because they're distinct. They're distinct group. I 0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:02.840 get that as I understand it. Uh, some folks say 0:20:02.920 --> 0:20:07.240 that they were killed by the Spanish. Um, they definitely 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:10.480 knew that they were there because one of the one 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:13.479 of the dudes on the Roanoke expedition when they stopped 0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:17.840 off in Puerto Rico, said hey, let me get off 0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:22.000 here because it's really nice. Right, that's probably what the 0:20:22.040 --> 0:20:24.520 real intent was. But um, why what did he say? 0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:26.600 Was gonna say? Darby Gland said that he was going 0:20:26.680 --> 0:20:29.880 to take on supplies, but by the way, I'm gonna 0:20:29.880 --> 0:20:33.320 stay here with the supply. Yeah for a while. Either way, 0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:36.399 he stayed there and told the Spanish, Hey, yeah, like, 0:20:36.480 --> 0:20:39.480 we're settling right up there on that island there in Roanoke. 0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:41.919 So they Spanish knew where they were for sure. We 0:20:41.960 --> 0:20:45.800 know that. And here is why that's weird. They weren't 0:20:45.800 --> 0:20:49.280 supposed to settle in Roanoke, that's right. They didn't know 0:20:49.320 --> 0:20:51.480 that they were going to settle in Roanoke. No, they 0:20:51.520 --> 0:20:53.600 weren't supposed that. They're supposed to be in Chesapeake. So 0:20:53.800 --> 0:20:56.080 here in is the first clue to the mystery. So 0:20:56.200 --> 0:21:00.000 there's a um. John hop Johns Hopkins trained anthropologist name 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:02.240 Lee Miller, who came up with this idea that the 0:21:02.359 --> 0:21:07.080 Roanoke Colony was sabotaged by rivals of Sir Walter Rawley 0:21:07.160 --> 0:21:10.080 who resented him for his patent and wanted to get 0:21:10.119 --> 0:21:13.399 it themselves. And they thought that maybe by proving that 0:21:13.440 --> 0:21:17.679 he couldn't possibly established in English um colony in the 0:21:17.680 --> 0:21:20.320 New World, they could they could get the patent. Yeah, 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:24.520 and sabotage in the way of their ships. Captain potentially 0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:29.919 was it Fernandez was paid off? Maybe and uh, he 0:21:29.960 --> 0:21:32.080 did a lot of mysterious things like took way too 0:21:32.160 --> 0:21:37.160 much time to do some basic charting and seamanship when 0:21:37.320 --> 0:21:40.120 he should have been he super experienced. Well not only 0:21:40.160 --> 0:21:44.480 that he knew the area and he spent I think 0:21:44.560 --> 0:21:47.960 thirty six days um off the coast of Cape Fear 0:21:48.040 --> 0:21:51.879 to get his bearings um and well, like we said 0:21:51.880 --> 0:21:55.200 that the colonists were delivered to the New World after 0:21:55.520 --> 0:21:58.800 the planning season, so they couldn't there's no way they 0:21:58.800 --> 0:22:01.400 could plant during a drought and to an area that 0:22:01.720 --> 0:22:07.280 was known to be you know, right, rono. Some people 0:22:07.320 --> 0:22:09.159 got off and said, you know what, everybody get off here. 0:22:09.160 --> 0:22:11.000 I'll see you guys later, and he left and they 0:22:11.000 --> 0:22:13.399 weren't supposed to be there, and he basically stranded him 0:22:13.440 --> 0:22:17.080 there in a hostile area after planning season and then 0:22:17.160 --> 0:22:20.440 limited supplies. This other guy tells the Spanish where they are, 0:22:20.920 --> 0:22:23.560 maybe as a backup to make sure before they ever 0:22:23.600 --> 0:22:25.880 even went to Rono they were on their way there. 0:22:26.280 --> 0:22:29.840 So it's definitely hinky. Yeah, and Miller implicates a guy 0:22:29.920 --> 0:22:36.120 named Francis walling Sam. I believe um and basically says, 0:22:36.200 --> 0:22:40.160 this is the guy who was after Sir Walter Rawley 0:22:40.720 --> 0:22:46.439 and did all this and found that Walling Sam rescued 0:22:46.920 --> 0:22:51.400 Fernandez the pilot from being hanged. So Fernande is literally 0:22:51.520 --> 0:22:55.439 owed this other guy his life, so who knows what 0:22:55.520 --> 0:22:57.520 he would have done. Yeah, possibly one of the first 0:22:57.560 --> 0:23:03.080 conspiracy uh conspira reces of the New World of among 0:23:03.160 --> 0:23:08.120 Europeans in the New World. UM And Miller also goes 0:23:08.160 --> 0:23:11.080 on to say that he he thinks probably what literally 0:23:11.119 --> 0:23:13.560 happened to them, despite whether they were set up or 0:23:13.600 --> 0:23:16.359 not to fail, was that they were caught up in 0:23:16.680 --> 0:23:21.199 a shift of power among tribes. UM. Basically, from you 0:23:21.240 --> 0:23:23.359