1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:11,319 Speaker 1: Welcome to stuff you should know Groundhouse stuff Works dot Com. Hey, 2 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, and there's 3 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:16,279 Speaker 1: Charles Study Chuck Bryant, and we know where he is 4 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: right now. He's just sitting there crow at And that's 5 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: the best way to say that word. It does. It 6 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: sounds like we'll get to it, obviously, but sound pretty 7 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: like a very spooky ominous thing to carve on a tree. Yeah, 8 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: especially because it was carved on the tree. Yeah, by 9 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 1: missing people. Vanished people are like what but historians are like, yeah, 10 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: that's exactly how you say it. I can't wait for 11 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: this one. Uh, well you're right here, you don't have 12 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 1: to wait. Let's experience. No. I was saying that historians 13 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: are saying that, Okay, yeah yeah, um so Chuck, Yes, 14 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 1: have you ever been to Roanoke, Virginia. I've been through there. Yeah, 15 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: and like a dummy, I thought that might have been 16 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: where the settlement was. Well it's not just h man. 17 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: I wrote this article what happened to the Lost Colony 18 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: at Roanoke, and I forgot that it wasn't Roanoke, Virginia. 19 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: What we're talking about is Roanoke, North Carolina, which is 20 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: an island that's part of the Outer Banks, very lovely, 21 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: and Virginia was very heavily settled, So it's not like, 22 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 1: you know, there wasn't Roanoke, Utah, right, So I'm giving 23 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: ourselves a break for getting that confused. I bet a 24 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: lot of people think it might be Virginia well. Plus, also, 25 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: the Roanoke Colony was um the first English settlement in 26 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: the New World, and Roanoke, Virginia is not too far 27 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: away from it. They moved on to Jamestown to found 28 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:43,479 Speaker 1: that that was the first successful English colony. Yeah. Um, 29 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: so you can you know understand why you or anybody else, 30 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: including me, would think we're talking about Roanoke, Virginia. But 31 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about Roanoke, 32 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: North Carolina. And uh it was settled in three waves, 33 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: and all three of them were at the behest of 34 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: one guy named Sir Walter Rawley. Sir Walter Rawley had 35 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: something that a lot of other people wanted. He was 36 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: born a commoner, that pride um he was damnably proud. 37 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 1: I understand a biography um cites him as to decline 38 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 1: and eventual beheading, But He was a big favorite of 39 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 1: Queen Elizabeth the First and he was a member of 40 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: her court, and she gave him the patent to any 41 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 1: English settlement in the New World. Like he had it 42 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 1: wide open. As long as there weren't other Christians settled 43 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: on a piece of land, he could have a crack 44 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: at it and get he would own it. Well. She 45 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: was very concerned about the native people though, right, No, okay, 46 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: sorry I had that confused. No, it was specifically other Christians. 47 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: So basically she was saying, like, the Spaniards are already 48 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: there in Florida Stier, clear of those guys, the French 49 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: there in the beaver Pelts, so they're probably going to 50 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: be a little north. Maybe you should go to North Carolina. Good, 51 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: try that, And so Robie did. He he didn't go. 52 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: He went later on, but um he sent a first 53 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:16,399 Speaker 1: wave an expedition, uh in early fifteen eighties something. Yes, 54 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: I don't have the date there for this one, but 55 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: the first that was the first real attempt at a settlement. 56 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: The first one was just like an expedition like just 57 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: to go check out good place prefift so fifteen eighty 58 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: five that was the first attempt to actually settle the 59 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: island of Rona. And it was just dudes um on 60 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: this trip. It wasn't like um families and kids and 61 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: things like that. It was just some dudes, adventurous guys, 62 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: a lot of them soldiers. Among them was a guy 63 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: named John White, who was an artist who ended up 64 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: making a lot of the well, the first maps of 65 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: the New World English maps were drawn by John White, 66 00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: and he was really good at it. And I think 67 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: he was promised five acres in the end, Like, Hey, 68 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: if you go set this thing up and it takes 69 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: you can pick out five hundred choice acres for yourself. 70 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: So he's like a lot of lands. Good deal, let's go. Yeah. 71 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: John White was a pretty good guy from what I understand. Um, 72 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 1: the problem was he wasn't leading that expedition. He was 73 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 1: just a member of it. Uh he The guy who 74 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: was leading it was a dude named Ralph Lane. And 75 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: Ralph Lane was a really brutal jerk. Um. Initially, the Indians, 76 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 1: the local tribes, the Scdan tribe, right, Yeah, they were 77 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: friendly to the the first expeditionary group, the first planters, 78 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 1: what they're calling to their detriment of course. Yeah, So 79 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 1: Ralph White routinely holds their leaders hostage in exchange for food, 80 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: kills indiscriminately, even though they were relying on these very 81 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: people to teach them the ways and how to grow 82 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: these new crops and things that they had no idea 83 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: about how to survive there, right, they depended on them 84 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 1: and killed them at the same time. Right. Well, eventually, 85 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: after a while, the Saccodan tribe said, you know what, 86 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: to hell with you, buddy, good luck and uh. After that, 87 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: the hundred I think it was a hundred people right 88 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: for the expedition, Yes, a hundred men. After ten months 89 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: they were like, we need food and we're going to die, 90 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 1: so let's just go back to England. I should have waited, yeah, 91 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: because I think like to two weeks later a supply 92 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: ship came. Yeah, they would have been, but at the 93 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: same right, at the same time, they were basically at 94 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: war with the surrounding like all the surrounding tribes. Not 95 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 1: all of them were friendly off the bat, but by 96 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 1: the end of the ten months, all of them hated. Uh, 97 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: this this group of one Englishmen. So they leave, they 98 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: go back and we're always like, it was a pretty 99 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: good at ten but I think we can do better. 100 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: Maybe we need some women, some children, and John White, 101 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 1: I like the cut of your jib, So you lead 102 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: this one. Let's just make a go of it as 103 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: like a real settlement, not just adventuring dudes. But let's 104 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: really try and settle this place as a colony of 105 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: families and people. Yes. So, Uh, the seven Expedition is 106 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 1: what it's called. Was I think a hundred and eighteen 107 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: people including John White, led by John White who was 108 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: now the governor. And uh, they came back and they 109 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: were actually not supposed to stay at Roanoke. It was 110 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: obvious to everybody this was a bad place to be. 111 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 1: The Indians hated everybody. Yeah, well what not? Well, I 112 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 1: guess what sort of obvious? Um it was not. So 113 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: it wasn't a safe place to be. And I think 114 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 1: they originally intended to move a little further up into 115 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 1: the Chesapeake, but they ended up in Roanoke Island. I 116 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: guess to check on some soldiers. Yeah, and we'll get 117 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: to the little mystery. There's a little mystery there that 118 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: we'll get too later. Right on why they day there, 119 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: we should say that there were soldiers on Roanoke because 120 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: that supply ship that came two weeks later left fifteen 121 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: men to keep an English presence in the New World. Yeah, 122 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: and I think all they found was the bones of 123 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: one body, right, Yeah, one single body, and the other 124 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: fourteen were missing, missing and gone. But that was not 125 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: the lost Colony of Roanoke. Oh no, no, No, that 126 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: was just some soldiers. No, the hundred and seventeen, I 127 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: think you said one or not. No, I think it 128 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: wasn't because White was heard from again, so I think 129 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: it was one eighteen at least, um, give or take. 130 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: Let's say they settled there, they build their little two 131 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: story cottages. Um, they meet some friendlies. Yeah, they actually 132 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: turned the tide and made the Sacodan tribe nice again. Yeah, 133 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: they met some not so friendlies that tended to just 134 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: sort of leave them alone though, at least at first. Yeah. 135 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: And they treated also with the Powhattan, who were um 136 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: on an island called crow Tone, yeah, which is now 137 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: patteras Um and crow Toe. Like we said, we'll figure 138 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: in here in a second. So they were doing pretty well. Um, 139 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: but they were in for hard times right off the bat. 140 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: They arrived in July, which is past the planning season, 141 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: so they had no crops right off the bat Yeah, 142 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: which is later than they were supposed to arrive, which 143 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: is part of the mystery that is yet to be revealed. 144 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: Yes again they um were initially confronted with hostile Indians. 145 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 1: They managed to turn the tide. Um. But there were 146 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: some delightful things that happened. For example, John White's granddaughter, 147 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: Virginia Dare, became the first English child born in the 148 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: New World. Yeah. Delightful for a moment. Um. Tragic in 149 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 1: the end. Uh. But Um, even though they did make 150 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 1: friends with the pau Hatton's, they were essentially dependent on 151 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: England still, which is important because without that, John White 152 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: might have stayed. If they would have been fully self 153 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: sufficient at that point, he might have stuck around. And um, 154 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: although he may have met the same mysterious fate as 155 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: the other loss or lost folks. Yeah, and I think 156 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: that that the mystery might not have been quite as 157 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: mysterious without John White to report it initially. Yeah. Maybe. 158 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:23,079 Speaker 1: So he leaves to go back to England, um the 159 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: same year that the Seven Colony was established, and they 160 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 1: say that to get provisions right, they say that he 161 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: was delayed in getting back because the English and the 162 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: Spanish went to war. Yeah, dude, it took him three years, 163 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: three years. He finally got back in fifteen ninety. Like, 164 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: I don't know what he expected. Did he expect like 165 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: them to be thriving? And I guess that's what he 166 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: was hoping for. I'm sure he was hoping for it, 167 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: but I'll bet at the very least he was expecting 168 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 1: for some evidence of what became of them or something. 169 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: When he landed and in fifteen ninety back on Roanoke, 170 00:09:55,800 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: he was confronted with a mystery that's lasted for four 171 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: hundred something years, four hundred and twenty three years. Yes, 172 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 1: what he arrived back to was no people, no bones, 173 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: no bodies, no clothing, no supplies, no buildings, no nothing 174 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: except for what the remnants of a wall or a fort, 175 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 1: a fort that hadn't been there when he left. So 176 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: they had assembled a fort in that basically a fort 177 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: meaning just some pikes surrounding the settlement. The problem was 178 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: the settlement was gone everything like not. There weren't burned 179 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: out shells, there weren't tumbled down buildings. He said. His 180 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: quote was that they've been taken down. Yeah, they disassembled 181 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: the buildings. Yeah, it wasn't like um any signs of 182 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 1: of the war had gone on, and that there was 183 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: a massacre that had taken place, and that they burned 184 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: their huts and you know, assaulted the people and killed 185 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:02,319 Speaker 1: them and left their bones. It's like they just left, right. 186 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 1: So there was no evidence of murder. There was no 187 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 1: evidence of um, of a hasty exit. There was no 188 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: evidence that they were following fish around the country. Right. 189 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 1: Had they settled in Vermont maybe you know PAULI right? Um? 190 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: And there was no sign of distress. Apparently they had 191 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: a an agreed upon symbol if John White came back 192 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: and they were under duress or had been under duress, 193 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 1: they were supposed to carve a Maltese cross in the somewhere. Well, 194 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: they didn't carve a Maltese cross. They carved crow Towing. 195 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: So they had an opportunity to carve something, and they 196 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: didn't carve the distress signal. They carved crow tone. Yeah, 197 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,599 Speaker 1: which to me, and if I was John White, I 198 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: would think the same thing. That means, hey, no distress. 199 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: I guess they went to crow A Towing where the 200 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: Indians that we were friendly with lived. Yeah, it makes 201 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: good sense, And I think it was a crow a 202 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 1: tone in one tree and then c R O in 203 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 1: a post on the fort just crow. Yeah, but it 204 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: didn't say like crow like they're like no, nothing like that. 205 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 1: It was more just like we already carved it once 206 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: or maybe those that they had a carving race. Maybe 207 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 1: you know Diddy Johnson carved it quickly. Yeah, Virginia Dare 208 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: is terrible at carving because she was three. Yeah, well 209 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: let's you should never put a three year old up 210 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: against an adult, good wife, or never give a three 211 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: old a knife. Yeah, I think that's the key. So um, 212 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 1: So John White is like, okay, well this is really weird. 213 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: Everybody's vanished and he's probably sad. Yeah, and he goes, okay, 214 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:43,319 Speaker 1: I'm going back to England. He had a very um history. 215 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: Is not necessarily treated John White well historians, I should say, 216 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: he's been described it turns as paranoid, which we'll get into. 217 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: And also it's a little flaky. At the very least. 218 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: My interpretation of John White is that he didn't stay 219 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: end up to people like maybe he should have. So 220 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:07,319 Speaker 1: the um, the the sailors that he's with that he 221 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: sailed back with provisions to Roanoke with said hey man, 222 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: I think a storm's coming, Let's just get out of here. 223 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:16,439 Speaker 1: So he never went the crow a tone and to 224 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: find out what happened to the colonists. For fifteen twenty 225 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: one years, there were no expeditions to find out what happened. 226 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: It wasn't until Jamestown in sixteen o seven that they 227 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:30,319 Speaker 1: finally started looking and then making a habit of when 228 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,559 Speaker 1: they came across Native tribes saying, hey, uh, you see 229 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: a bunch of white people around here. Yeah, and um, 230 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: and actually there had been some proposed expeditions that people 231 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:41,839 Speaker 1: had carried out, but they never actually went to search 232 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: for him. They just used it as an excuse for piracy. Um. 233 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: But yeah, once Jamestown settled, one of the one of 234 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: the main things they did was question local Indians, and 235 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: they actually got some pretty intriguing answers. Yeah. Um, like, well, 236 00:13:56,679 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 1: they also found some pretty intriguing things like in adiends 237 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: with gray eyes and a boy with blonde hair but 238 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: in Native American clothing. Yeah, they're like, hey, kid, come 239 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: over here, and the kid takes off. Yeah. They didn't 240 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: get a chance to question them, right right. Um. And 241 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 1: these are apparently like eyewitness reports from reliable Jamestown planners 242 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: um so, and then from the local tribes they found 243 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: that there were supposedly people who lived in two story 244 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: stone structures with thatched roofs, totally unique to the English. Um. 245 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: There were supposedly people who spoke English and like read 246 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: the Bible who lived you know, further down the coast, 247 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: but they never found any of them. Yeah. And part 248 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: of the problem too, that we should point out is 249 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: that they aren't exactly sure, because of poor record keeping, 250 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: exactly exactly where the settlement was to begin with, so 251 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: they didn't know where to look. Um White I think 252 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: had had said it was further north on the island, um, 253 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: where the original dudes were adventuring, and um, I think 254 00:14:56,760 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: a Spanish dude had said, no, it's worked towards the 255 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: center of the island, and they found evidence of like 256 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: cannons and things there, so they think it might have 257 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: been there. Yeah, and they think that possibly, um, the 258 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: settlement is now underwater, like there's been massive erosion on 259 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: the island since the sixteenth century. It's only twelve miles 260 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: long though, but of course back then that's a bigger 261 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: search area than they were capable of, you know. Yeah. Well, 262 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: they also think though that um, that in the last 263 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: four hundred years, as much as a quarter mile um 264 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: of the coast of the coast is eroded inland, and 265 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: that yeah, it's very possible to settlements underwater. Now interesting, 266 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: I saw a thing on I watched a little YouTube 267 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: thing on this. It was kind of a silly show. 268 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: But this, uh, there was one cool part where this 269 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: uh tree experts said that you can drill into the 270 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: core of a tree and study how much rainfall um 271 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: as that historically that that area has gotten. And they 272 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: found this you know tree that was like five years old, 273 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: drilled into the core and found that the biggest drought 274 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: of the past eight hundred years occurred in right, they 275 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: walked right into it. So it was just not a 276 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: good situation. Of course, I didn't prove anything. That was 277 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: a nice little footnote. Yeah, what was silly about it? 278 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: Did they did they break into dance and song? Here? No, 279 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: the guy on the show, he's like, you know, one 280 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: of these like history detectives, and he rented a you know, 281 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: the little pair of gliders to have a fan attached 282 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: to your back. He's like, I wanted to get an 283 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: aerial view. So like, dude, you just wanted to ride 284 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: around on that thing, like you got absolutely nothing from that? 285 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: Why an aerial Yeah, and afterwards we learned nothing about it. 286 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: He was just like boy, and you know, that's just 287 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: a good way to see the island. So anyway, he 288 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: was silly, um. And it was not a Discovery network, 289 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: so I can say that. So so Chuck, Yes, the 290 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: colonists are lost. The colony is lost, if any idea 291 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: where it is. And they've even found like parts of 292 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: the colony. Yeah, they found a guy's ring, right, Yeah. 293 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: They found the first scientific laboratory um ever created in 294 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: the New World, Thomas Harriet. Um. So they found like 295 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: other stuff, they just can't find the seven one, which 296 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: is weird. Um. But there are a lot of theories 297 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: abounding for what happened to the colonists, and I think 298 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: it's awesome that there are none that fully explain what happened. 299 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: I love historical mystery. I think that's cool when they're solved, 300 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: and I like it when they're unsolved. Yeah, this one's 301 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:27,360 Speaker 1: like as American as it gets. This is an American mystery, 302 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: that's right. Um. One clue that uh, you know, White 303 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: wrote down a bunch of stuff in a letter obviously, 304 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 1: when he went to check things out, and one thing 305 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 1: he said that is pretty key was that they moved 306 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: fifty miles into the main which everyone took to me 307 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 1: and into the main part of North Carolina inland into 308 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: the forest. But now they think maybe he'd met Mike 309 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: to the main towards Chesapeake. Ya. Uh that or if um, 310 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: if you look at the distance between crow tonin and 311 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:59,199 Speaker 1: um Roanoke is fifty miles, So they could have just 312 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 1: assimilated with a friendly tribe and uh mixed their races 313 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: and eventually became an altogether new Well. Yeah, and there's 314 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: actually a tribe that counts Um part of its origin 315 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 1: story as the Roanoke settlers. Yeah, the Lumbi tribe of 316 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: Robeson County, North Carolina. See this sounds really compelling to me. 317 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 1: It does. Um, if you ask the average Lumbie, depending 318 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 1: on who you ask, you're gonna get like a yeah, 319 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 1: of course or a no that's not the case. Yeah. 320 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 1: It just depends the tribes divided as to its the 321 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: whether or not the Um they they assimilated the Roanoke 322 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 1: colonists or not. But there are some there's some pretty 323 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: tantalizing evidence. For example, Apparently as early as seventeen nineteen, 324 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 1: some members of the Lumbie tribe had surnames that were 325 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 1: the same as some of the Lost colonists, like Hyatt 326 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: Dial Taylor. I think if a Native American walks studio 327 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:02,919 Speaker 1: and says, hey, Jim Taylor, nice to meet you in 328 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 1: seventeen nineteen, BERMUDI like they could read. They can read, 329 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:08,679 Speaker 1: you know that stuff turns brown in the winter. Not 330 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: a fan. Uh. They spoke English and could like read 331 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: and write. I think, right, yeah, they were familiar with 332 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: the Bible. Yeah, so come on, well, here's the thing, um, 333 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 1: whether or not that is if, if that happened in 334 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:29,199 Speaker 1: seventeen nineteen, yeah, that's pretty compelling evidence. But there was 335 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: still a hundred years of exposure that could have happened 336 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: little by little. You could still account for it, if 337 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: you ask me. I think the Lumby connection is pretty 338 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 1: it's pretty interesting at the very least. And maybe some 339 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: of them went that way. You know, it's possible. No 340 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: one has no one, you know, did they have to 341 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: stay together? No, not necessarily. But with the tribe, it's 342 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: kind of like, well, these are our origins or they're 343 00:19:55,040 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: not our origins, because they're distinct. They're distinct group. I 344 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: get that as I understand it. Uh, some folks say 345 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: that they were killed by the Spanish. Um, they definitely 346 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 1: knew that they were there because one of the one 347 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,479 Speaker 1: of the dudes on the Roanoke expedition when they stopped 348 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: off in Puerto Rico, said hey, let me get off 349 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 1: here because it's really nice. Right, that's probably what the 350 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: real intent was. But um, why what did he say? 351 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: Was gonna say? Darby Gland said that he was going 352 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,880 Speaker 1: to take on supplies, but by the way, I'm gonna 353 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: stay here with the supply. Yeah for a while. Either way, 354 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 1: he stayed there and told the Spanish, Hey, yeah, like, 355 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: we're settling right up there on that island there in Roanoke. 356 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 1: So they Spanish knew where they were for sure. We 357 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: know that. And here is why that's weird. They weren't 358 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: supposed to settle in Roanoke, that's right. They didn't know 359 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: that they were going to settle in Roanoke. No, they 360 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: weren't supposed that. They're supposed to be in Chesapeake. So 361 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: here in is the first clue to the mystery. So 362 00:20:56,200 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: there's a um. John hop Johns Hopkins trained anthropologist name 363 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 1: Lee Miller, who came up with this idea that the 364 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: Roanoke Colony was sabotaged by rivals of Sir Walter Rawley 365 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: who resented him for his patent and wanted to get 366 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 1: it themselves. And they thought that maybe by proving that 367 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 1: he couldn't possibly established in English um colony in the 368 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: New World, they could they could get the patent. Yeah, 369 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: and sabotage in the way of their ships. Captain potentially 370 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 1: was it Fernandez was paid off? Maybe and uh, he 371 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: did a lot of mysterious things like took way too 372 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 1: much time to do some basic charting and seamanship when 373 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 1: he should have been he super experienced. Well not only 374 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: that he knew the area and he spent I think 375 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: thirty six days um off the coast of Cape Fear 376 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 1: to get his bearings um and well, like we said 377 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 1: that the colonists were delivered to the New World after 378 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: the planning season, so they couldn't there's no way they 379 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 1: could plant during a drought and to an area that 380 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: was known to be you know, right, rono. Some people 381 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,159 Speaker 1: got off and said, you know what, everybody get off here. 382 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: I'll see you guys later, and he left and they 383 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,399 Speaker 1: weren't supposed to be there, and he basically stranded him 384 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: there in a hostile area after planning season and then 385 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 1: limited supplies. This other guy tells the Spanish where they are, 386 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: maybe as a backup to make sure before they ever 387 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 1: even went to Rono they were on their way there. 388 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: So it's definitely hinky. Yeah, and Miller implicates a guy 389 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:36,120 Speaker 1: named Francis walling Sam. I believe um and basically says, 390 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 1: this is the guy who was after Sir Walter Rawley 391 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:46,439 Speaker 1: and did all this and found that Walling Sam rescued 392 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 1: Fernandez the pilot from being hanged. So Fernande is literally 393 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:55,439 Speaker 1: owed this other guy his life, so who knows what 394 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: he would have done. Yeah, possibly one of the first 395 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: conspiracy uh conspira reces of the New World of among 396 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:08,120 Speaker 1: Europeans in the New World. UM And Miller also goes 397 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: on to say that he he thinks probably what literally 398 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: happened to them, despite whether they were set up or 399 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: not to fail, was that they were caught up in 400 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:21,199 Speaker 1: a shift of power among tribes. UM. Basically, from you 401 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 1: know the friendlies one away, they not friendlies came in 402 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 1: and there was a balance of power shifting, and they 403 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 1: were kind of right in the middle of that. Well, 404 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: they walked right into it. If they went into North 405 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: Carolina in the forest, they walked right into the hands 406 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: of some very hostile tribes who would have, according to Miller, 407 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,439 Speaker 1: killed all the men and sold all the women and 408 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: children into slavery um and that they would have been 409 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 1: traded up and down this network that spanned from Florida 410 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: up to Virginia the Chesapeake. And there's actually really cantalizing 411 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 1: evidence this other mystery. So there's a mystery on a mystery. 412 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: It's have you heard of the Dare Stones? Now, So 413 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:05,640 Speaker 1: from ninety seven and nine, forty stones turned up from 414 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: the North Carolina area all the way down to the 415 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: Chatahoocha just outside of Atlanta, almost forming a trail, and 416 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: they were etched granite stones that were written in Elizabethan 417 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 1: English and said things like mark the death of Virginia 418 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 1: Dare in fifte um, all sorts of different like little messages, 419 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: but leading from North Carolina to Atlanta and posedly from 420 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: the late sixteenth century. Yeah, so a lot of these 421 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: are considered to be fake, if not all of them. 422 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: But Burnow University up in Gainesville has all forty of 423 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 1: them in their collection, and apparently they're going back and 424 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: reevaluating them because most people are like those are frauds. 425 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: The problem is the people who turned them up had 426 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 1: no they don't know Elizabeth in English, they didn't weren't 427 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: trained in that at all, so it would have been 428 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 1: right there, kind of tough to to carry out that 429 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: hoax because it was no. Well, but they think that 430 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: some of the last ones were intentionally like used to 431 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: discredit people who were accusing at Land and Professor's emery 432 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: of like trying to generate tourism by saying, the lost 433 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: colonists ended up here, so come down here and run 434 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: a cabin, you know. But the anyway, the brand now 435 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: university professors are going back and looking at each one 436 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,880 Speaker 1: on its own marriage rather than related to the other 437 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 1: thirty nine of them from what I understand. Um, so 438 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 1: there's the dare Stone's interesting and it's possible that it 439 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 1: kind of supports Lee Miller's hypothesis that they were traded 440 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:42,120 Speaker 1: and lived and left markings behind saying hey, we were here. Well, 441 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 1: I know that Miller was frustrated with when it was 442 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: Miller here, she she she, I thought so when She 443 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: actually went to Roanoke and was just so frustrated, like 444 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: because it's you know, like I said, twelve miles by 445 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: I think three miles And she was just like it's small, 446 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 1: Like where is the stuff? Like why can't we find anything? 447 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: I think it's because they took off it has been 448 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 1: taken down. Um. And then did you read this thing 449 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: that I sent you? Yeah, I really had a hard 450 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: time understanding the significance of it. Are they saying that 451 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 1: John White is saying here, this is where they were? 452 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: And I think here's here's the deal. This UM group 453 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 1: was established to try and figure this out, of course, uh. 454 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: And I think they were from England even um. And 455 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: they took a new look uh that they're called the 456 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: First Colony Foundation. Now they're from North Carolina. They've been 457 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 1: working with the British Museum. Okay, that has that map. 458 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 1: So they found the year old map. They didn't find it. 459 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: They took a new look at it and found that 460 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: there were a couple of patches on the map, which basically, 461 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: back then you couldn't erase something and start over. You 462 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: would do a little patch section and attach that to 463 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 1: the map. One of the patches was UM just a 464 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: mistake that was being corrected, and the other one didn't 465 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: appear until they held it in front of a light box. 466 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: So that's very mysterious. And they sound evidence that they 467 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: think concludes that they moved westward up the Albamarla Albemarle 468 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:12,360 Speaker 1: Sound to the confluence of the Chowan and Roanoke Rivers. 469 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: And the evidence is because what was covered up was 470 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: believed to be a symbol of a fort. So what 471 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 1: they're saying is his intention because this was a very 472 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: detailed map and it was a very important map and 473 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: it was drawn by John White, Right, Yeah, drawn by 474 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: John White, and um it had been you know, covered 475 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 1: up for centuries until they found it, saying it's pretty 476 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,439 Speaker 1: clear that the intention was, Hey, this is where we 477 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 1: want to settle. This is where we're going to this fort. 478 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: So are they saying that John White drew the map 479 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: and that was originally where they were going to go 480 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 1: before Fernandez stranded them, and so that's probably where the 481 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: colonists went after they left Roanoke. I think so, Okay, 482 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 1: I think that's what they're saying. They didn't specifically say 483 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: that that was their original intent, but I think at 484 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: some point while they were before he left to go 485 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 1: back to England, he said, let's go to this place 486 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: established a fort. So he just didn't write down what 487 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 1: he knew well enough, I think so. And um they 488 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 1: say they don't know why it was covered covered over 489 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 1: with a patch. Um, but they think that they could 490 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 1: start looking there for maybe remnants. Yeah, supposedly the it's 491 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: under a subdivision and a golf course. Yeah it's so 492 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: good luck with that. Um no excavating whole nine. But 493 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 1: um yeah, interesting. They seem I was a little less 494 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: moved by this, like you. They seemed to be really like, 495 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 1: oh my god, the mystery has been solved. There was 496 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: a fort that they said that they were going to established, right, 497 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: and they covered it up with a patch that has 498 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: a different kind of fort drawing on it. Yeah, it 499 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 1: could have been as simple as you know, maybe they 500 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: wanted to do that, but then they still ended up, 501 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: you know, getting taken or going somewhere else. So who knows, 502 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 1: we'll never know. We probably will never know. It's going 503 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: to be one of those in during mysteries. I love it. 504 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: I love it too, Chuck. You know, yeah, you got 505 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: anything else? I gonna solve everything. People are crazy for 506 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,959 Speaker 1: that kind of thing. You know. They love to know everything. 507 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: It's like chill out, all in good time, all in 508 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 1: four and something years. If you want to know more 509 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: about the Roanoke mystery, type that word into the search 510 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: bar at how stuff works dot com. That is R 511 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: O A N O kay e not Virginia, North Carolina, 512 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: and it will bring up this article by me. And 513 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: since I said me, it's time for a message break 514 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 1: which begins with me. Okay, so now listener mail. Yeah, 515 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna call this, uh, maybe the biggest 516 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: nerd ever to write in dork show. I love this dude. 517 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: Actually he may not be ready at all. Hi, guys, 518 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: it has to do with D and D again though. 519 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: After listening to D and d uh podcast, I wanted 520 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,479 Speaker 1: to share to you how you inspired the creation of 521 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: Dungeons and dragonesque role playing adventure. Two weeks before Christmas 522 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: vacation last year, I came down with the chicken pots. Uh. 523 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: That is sort of a medical absurdity um to every doctor, nurse, 524 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 1: and colleague came into contact with. It's also really dangerous though, right, 525 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: I think it's more I don't know about dangerous, but 526 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: I think it's more complicated for sure, all right, you're 527 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 1: a kid. Sorry for enough's um. Two weeks of being 528 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: stuck at home trying not to scratch allowed my imagination 529 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: to wander at a day where I listened to the Singularity, 530 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 1: holographic environments, and designing our children's podcast. Also, I watched 531 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: two documentaries on the band Rush and the movie Blade Runner. 532 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 1: This combination of science fiction ideology sparked the idea for 533 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 1: a story, but I needed some help writing it, so 534 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,719 Speaker 1: I created a role playing game. Dungeons and Dragons does 535 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 1: not lend itself to futuristic technology, so I decided to 536 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 1: create my own games and rules. I used a university 537 00:30:55,040 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: as the dungeon, college majors as character classes, campus stereotypes 538 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: as races, rushed song lyrics as puzzles, and stuff you 539 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: should know podcasts for the storyline. One example of what 540 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: we did with it uh major's technology related field, wizard, nursing, healer, kinesiology, paladin, chemist, rogue, thief, biology, 541 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: druid music major, bard theology, monk. I'm just I have 542 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 1: no idea. What do you even make of that? You? Yeah, okay, 543 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: So four college boys set out to save the world 544 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: from Alex liveson and Getty Lee's genetically engineered Neil Perk 545 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 1: and to prevent the Singularity from taking over the campus 546 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 1: of Illinois State, go red Birds. Other than the odd 547 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: looks we received from the guy installing window treatments while 548 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 1: we were playing, the game was a great success and 549 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: I introduced for new people to the stuff you should 550 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 1: know universe. So thanks for inspiring an awesome day and 551 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 1: distracting me from the pox. That is from Matt McCulley, 552 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 1: math teacher at Woodstock High School in Illinois and the 553 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 1: cross country and track coach. A dude, I want to 554 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 1: see this game. I want to play this game. I 555 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 1: want to figurine of me. You do me and Getty 556 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: Lee like fighting druids? Yeah, or fighting one another with 557 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 1: druids advancing on you. That's a sticky situation. Yeah, so 558 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 1: that's that's quite a game, and that is quite an email. Mat. Yeah, 559 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: thanks a lot, Matt. You may be right, chuck uh 560 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: if you want to let us know how nerdy you 561 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,479 Speaker 1: are or how wonderful your imagination is, I guess it's 562 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 1: another way to put up. Yeah, we love nerdy qualities. 563 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 1: By the way, because we got an email for like 564 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: young lady that took exceptions of me Jane nerd and 565 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: thinking all my little nerd pleases. But it's all good fun. 566 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: We love it. 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