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Speaker 1: the Cowboys back on the practice field as we speak,
Speaker 1: getting set to take on the Los Angeles Chargers three
Speaker 1: twenty five, Dallas Time on Sunday. Bill Jones with Mickey
Speaker 1: Spagnola here inside the SWBC Mortgage studios at the Star
Speaker 1: in Frisco, and Everson Walls at a remote location somewhere
Speaker 1: where the sun is shining on Everson's face. Hello Everson. Hello,
Speaker 1: all right, Mickey. It's kind of a first normal week
Speaker 1: we've had, right it somewhat norm it was, It was
Speaker 1: normal until Everson had to leave town. And so now
Speaker 1: we're back to one third of us is at a
Speaker 1: remote location, but at least we can see Everson. I
Speaker 1: wasn't referring to us. I was referring to the Cowboys
Speaker 1: on a regular week practice, although they had the extra
Speaker 1: what three days after that, right, So it's just now
Speaker 1: to a regular week starting today through Sunday, and then
Speaker 1: next week it's not a regular week regular The home
Speaker 1: opener is a Monday night game against Philadelphia, so they
Speaker 1: get an extra day next week. And it is great
Speaker 1: though to see the team out on the practice field. Yes, absolutely,
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, they just finished up their practice
Speaker 1: today and it was a you know, full practice. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, they did team drills. They had to scout
Speaker 1: team going. And then we can go on with all
Speaker 1: the roster. What's the word massinations nations? Nice? How about that? Huh?
Speaker 1: Vocabulary is improving an old age? We just don't know
Speaker 1: what it means. Yeah, it's I've always been Can you
Speaker 1: guys hear me? Yes? Okay, can you hear me? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Can you hear us? I don't think he hears us?
Speaker 1: See yeah, everysing cannot hear us apparently, Okay, every sin
Speaker 1: is gonna fix whatever is? Uh? I hear you, Everson,
Speaker 1: you can't hear us? All right? So how about we
Speaker 1: figure out what's going on with this roster? Then? Yes,
Speaker 1: let's uh take a look at it so we know
Speaker 1: do we start it right tackle? We started right tackle?
Speaker 1: We know. Lell Collins has been suspended five games from
Speaker 1: a little bit of digging I've done. It sounds like
Speaker 1: it's gonna be five games. We talked about his agent
Speaker 1: saying it was still in the appeal process, but it
Speaker 1: sounds like he doesn't have much of a chance for
Speaker 1: the appeal. And another thing that I think starting to
Speaker 1: get cleared up if you listen to what Jerry said yesterday,
Speaker 1: it wasn't from so much miss tests as it was,
Speaker 1: and Jerry said it sometimes it's cooperation with the process,
Speaker 1: and so it's sounding like that might be something like that,
Speaker 1: because not only do you have to test, but whatever
Speaker 1: consoling you're supposed to go through, you have to show
Speaker 1: up for those two and you get negative marks if
Speaker 1: you don't show up for those. So I don't know
Speaker 1: if that had something to do it, but Jerry's Jerry's
Speaker 1: point was there there's a consoling that takes place also,
Speaker 1: so it's an entire process. So it looks like he
Speaker 1: probably's gonna miss at least this game, if not five. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we've we've sort of established that now. I chatted
Speaker 1: with Mike McCarthy on the taping of his Coaches show
Speaker 1: last evening, and you tell me if he said anything
Speaker 1: much different from this. At his press conference today, he
Speaker 1: indicated that Zack Martin is staying at guard, yes, and
Speaker 1: that it is Terrence Steele or tight Insecki who would
Speaker 1: be starting at right tackle. And that's about what he
Speaker 1: said in his press conference today, even though Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: on Tuesday said when he was asked the question, it's
Speaker 1: going to be Steel. Yeah, he didn't mince words. But
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure from McCarthy standpoint, he doesn't want
Speaker 1: to give the Chargers a scouting report and people wants
Speaker 1: to make sure they go through they got to go
Speaker 1: through practice. But if but if it's those two guys,
Speaker 1: to me, if you're not moving Zach out there, and
Speaker 1: we can talk about his reasons for maybe doing that,
Speaker 1: then I think it's Steel. I think he's more versatile,
Speaker 1: more mobile, maybe not as strong, not as big. But
Speaker 1: I think I pointed this out yesterday, if it is
Speaker 1: Steel over there, then the tight end better be in
Speaker 1: his hip pocket and saying you've got to have two
Speaker 1: tight ends on the field all the time. But I
Speaker 1: think you have to make an adjustment. You have to
Speaker 1: make a concession that if Steal's out there and Joey
Speaker 1: Bosa's across from you can't let Joey Bosa ruin this
Speaker 1: kid that came into the league as an undrafted rookie.
Speaker 1: Now he started fourteen games last year. I think he
Speaker 1: made great strides in the off season. I pointed out
Speaker 1: yesterday that he was one of the ten guys that
Speaker 1: won the Workout Award in the off season. And if
Speaker 1: you look at what happened during training camp, he was
Speaker 1: playing both sides. He started on the right, he ended
Speaker 1: up on the left as the backup. So to me,
Speaker 1: that to me, that tells me that they had more
Speaker 1: confidence in him than the veteran Naseecki, who you would
Speaker 1: think would be for sure can play the right side,
Speaker 1: but they got to let him work on the left side. Well,
Speaker 1: they switched that up towards the end of training camp.
Speaker 1: Sou from McCarthy standpoint, he still say we're working on
Speaker 1: the combination, but it sounds like the combination is Steal
Speaker 1: and Secky. And you know last week he was on
Speaker 1: the injury report, by the way, for a day or so,
Speaker 1: and he missed time in training camp. So to me,
Speaker 1: it's probably steal and then well they'll go from there
Speaker 1: and see what happens. So now you ask why won't
Speaker 1: they move Zach Martin out there? Okay, I'll ask that,
Speaker 1: why won't they move Zach Martin out there? And you
Speaker 1: know I was a promote proponent of it too, right,
Speaker 1: And McCarthy answered that question today basically saying that Zach
Speaker 1: at guard, you know, he can give help to the
Speaker 1: tackle and communication type stuff, and he can help the
Speaker 1: center too, who's basically in his first full year of starting.
Speaker 1: I know he started like four or five games last
Speaker 1: year before he got hurt. So this is his sixth
Speaker 1: NFL start, Yes, Tyler be So now you got Zach
Speaker 1: in the middle there, and you know he can help
Speaker 1: out there, and I think so coming off COVID, you know,
Speaker 1: he hasn't practiced in more than well not ten practice days,
Speaker 1: but ten days since he was on COVID reserve. And
Speaker 1: who knows. You may think, well, I better bring him
Speaker 1: back and put him someplace initially where it's comfortable with
Speaker 1: and then see if we can compensate for not having
Speaker 1: Lel Collins on the outside by using our tight ends
Speaker 1: in the running back to help him out in pass protection. Well,
Speaker 1: if you go back and look at Washington last week, uh,
Speaker 1: and they had a rookie, Sam caused me at right tackle,
Speaker 1: and boy Bosa just flies off the screen at you.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can you can tell that he's the
Speaker 1: guy you got to be worried about. Did they give
Speaker 1: him help? There were times that they did not give
Speaker 1: him help that he and uh he came. He came
Speaker 1: pretty hard off that hitch. Yeah. So, and you know,
Speaker 1: and they're in a three they're in a three four.
Speaker 1: But if you go three wide receivers, you know, or
Speaker 1: even if he's at playing linebacker in that three four,
Speaker 1: he's still lining up the line of scrimmage and you
Speaker 1: know he's coming right. Um, and he's a load uh so. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And then they were in a lot of four man front.
Speaker 1: When you're going with your three wide receiver set, he's
Speaker 1: in a four man front. And then move him around.
Speaker 1: But I saw him. He was seemed to be most
Speaker 1: effective coming from a left defensive end against the rookie
Speaker 1: right tackle from Texas. Sam caused me, so, oh, so
Speaker 1: he's going to go up against another tackle that's not
Speaker 1: like it's college ball in techs that's right Texas tech
Speaker 1: yep So So anyway, um, otherwise, as far as practice goes,
Speaker 1: so we know Randy Gregory has been placed on reserve COVID,
Speaker 1: so he's not out there and we'll see where that happens.
Speaker 1: But again, I can see Everson now, Yah, Everson has
Speaker 1: reappeared on the screen. He can hear us, I can
Speaker 1: hear you. All right, all right, all right, So what's
Speaker 1: the what's the deal with Gregory? He has an opportunity
Speaker 1: to play, right, Well, it's an opportunity to it maybe slim, yeah,
Speaker 1: But so I think they have to operate now as
Speaker 1: if you know they're not going to have him. Uh
Speaker 1: that means you know, and McCarthy mentioned it today. More
Speaker 1: more snaps for Dorin's armstrong. They'll need him to step up.
Speaker 1: More STAPs from Terrell basham, we need to play then
Speaker 1: Zach Martin correct say that again he will have a
Speaker 1: better opportunity to play and come off the list than
Speaker 1: uh was it Zach Martin had correct? Oh you mean
Speaker 1: off the COVID list? Yeah, last week? Uh he does.
Speaker 1: But again, as McCarthy said today, normally when we've had
Speaker 1: guys test positive, it's been a ten day period, not
Speaker 1: a five day period. So I think going forward they
Speaker 1: have to assume they're not going to have him which
Speaker 1: means you know, you've got at least three guys. You know,
Speaker 1: I mentioned U Dorrin's Armstrong, Terrell Basham, Uh Bradley and
Speaker 1: I can play there. I you know, Bret Urban could
Speaker 1: probably go out there if they needed him to. Uh
Speaker 1: and then uh boy, and you better keep DeMarcus Lawrence
Speaker 1: on the field right because now you're starting to get
Speaker 1: a little thin going up against the quarterback. You better
Speaker 1: get pressure on him. You know. I think there's seems
Speaker 1: to be like there's this sense of relief out there that, Okay,
Speaker 1: we survived Tom Brady on no loss, but it was close. Well,
Speaker 1: this kid is pretty darned good. You better be careful
Speaker 1: with them. So we'll see how they feel that defensive
Speaker 1: end spot on the on the right side. Why is
Speaker 1: it always the right side, the right tackle, the right
Speaker 1: defensive end. I thought d Law played extremely well in
Speaker 1: the ball game. Of course, we all bring up that
Speaker 1: they had no pressures necessarily, they didn't have any sacks.
Speaker 1: But we know how that goes with Brady. If you
Speaker 1: don't cover them down the field, then yes, you're gonna
Speaker 1: have issues stopping him from throwing the ball on time.
Speaker 1: But d Law was all over the field, and he
Speaker 1: was trying to make things happen. You can see there
Speaker 1: was a sense of urgency in his game, and you
Speaker 1: can see that he's playing with a healthier body. Now.
Speaker 1: You can see that was the whole DeMarcus Lawrence in
Speaker 1: the ball game. I think he'll play pretty well this season.
Speaker 1: I'm predicted right now, like like Broccoley says, I guarantee,
Speaker 1: I guarantee d law is gonna get two sacks this weekend.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to write that down two sacks this
Speaker 1: week Well, he was the one that forced that fumble,
Speaker 1: wasn't he in the game? Yes? And it was a
Speaker 1: violent fum fumble hit or a fumble hit whatever, forced fumble. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he punched it out. He punched it out. Yeah Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then one other thing in practice, Donovan Wilson, they
Speaker 1: held him out aggravated his groin that had been bothering
Speaker 1: him prior to the start of the season. So we'll
Speaker 1: see where that one goes. And Nashan right for personal reasons,
Speaker 1: had to miss practice and to ever Sue's point about
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence, Okay, we've talked about the Cowboys issues at
Speaker 1: right tackle and replacing law Collins well, the Chargers have
Speaker 1: their own issues at right tackle with Brian Bulaga, the
Speaker 1: starter who has a back issue, and in fact, he
Speaker 1: came out of their opener against Washington. He played forty
Speaker 1: five plays, they had eighty one plays on offense. He
Speaker 1: was in there for forty five, had to come out
Speaker 1: of the game, and so and Storm Norton were replaced
Speaker 1: him at right tackle. And so that is basically who
Speaker 1: Marcus Lawrence is going to be going up. And it's
Speaker 1: a plush here, right And so I think that's a
Speaker 1: great prediction on your part, Everson. I don't know if
Speaker 1: if you were aware of the fact that they've got
Speaker 1: their own issues at right tackle, and so be d
Speaker 1: law is going to get his number, and they sort
Speaker 1: of remade their offensive man and ray Shawn Slater first
Speaker 1: round picked for out of Northwestern, who a lot of
Speaker 1: people around here were thinking that the Cowboys might be
Speaker 1: interested in taking in the first round. He's looked really
Speaker 1: good U and early on in preseason and in their
Speaker 1: first game also, and then they acquire the center this
Speaker 1: year was either last year Corey Lindsley, Yes, this year
Speaker 1: Green Bay. Green Bay right paid a lot of money
Speaker 1: for to get him and their right guard, as well
Speaker 1: as an unrestricted free agent signing from Pittsburgh. His name
Speaker 1: Matt Feeler. Matt Feeler, not familiar with him. Familiar with
Speaker 1: Coreley Lindsley, and I'm sure McCarthy is too, right, that's right.
Speaker 1: And he's familiar with Brian Bulage as well, of course,
Speaker 1: who once upon up time, that's going back eleven years ago,
Speaker 1: was a first round draft pick of the Packers. So
Speaker 1: so it's it's not just the Cowboys that are having
Speaker 1: problems with their offensive line. Sometimes you got to look
Speaker 1: at that other side. And so it's it's I love
Speaker 1: the matchup of quarterbacks though this, yes, Dak versus Justin Herbert.
Speaker 1: And we'll get into more of that when we come
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Speaker 1: Mickey stepped out for a second. He's working on some
Speaker 1: late breaking news. Perhaps Everson. We shall see, but Everson,
Speaker 1: let's think he's on it. That's right, until Micky gets back,
Speaker 1: because I know he wants to talk about the quarterback matchup.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the receivers for the Chargers for just
Speaker 1: a second here, and the challenge it presents for the
Speaker 1: Cowboys DBS going up against a guy like Keenan Allen
Speaker 1: who is sick two bigger guy, and he's averaged one
Speaker 1: hundred one hundred receptions of season the last four years.
Speaker 1: And uh then they also have Mike Williams, a six
Speaker 1: four target who caught a nice back shoulder touchdown from
Speaker 1: Herbert against Washington and the season opener, and uh so
Speaker 1: those those factor in Jared Cook, the big tight end
Speaker 1: as well, who's still going strong at age whatever he is,
Speaker 1: over over age thirty. Uh and uh there's some big
Speaker 1: targets that Herbert has to throw too. Well. You know,
Speaker 1: I when I when I think of the tight end
Speaker 1: that you're mentioned, you know, he always he always looked
Speaker 1: like a veteran, even when he was younger with the Saints. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, he always looked like a guy. He reminded.
Speaker 1: He runs like Billy Joe Dupree. Yeah, you know, he's
Speaker 1: got that old man run right. But he's got the
Speaker 1: great hands. If you recall Green Bay game, the right,
Speaker 1: am I right? The Green Bay game where he kind
Speaker 1: of the great field gold rains. Don't bring that up.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, don't, Oh my goodness, don't get it out.
Speaker 1: So that's what this team has. A quarterback that throws
Speaker 1: an extremely catchable ball. When you look at how he
Speaker 1: lays in there, it's like Danny White used to throw
Speaker 1: it a little bit. He has a little bit more
Speaker 1: unf on it, and his timing is a little better.
Speaker 1: But he is a quarterback that's gonna put it in
Speaker 1: there where it's supposed to be. Now, as a dB,
Speaker 1: you like those kind of quarterbacks because you know they're
Speaker 1: gonna put it in there. So if you cover the guy,
Speaker 1: you got yourself a pig because he's gonna go on timing.
Speaker 1: He's gonna do a lot like Brady does. But their
Speaker 1: passing game deals more with a deeper seventh step drop
Speaker 1: than you would see coming from Tampa. The Cowboys are
Speaker 1: gonna have to deal with in the secondary. Keenan Allen,
Speaker 1: who is there with Maury Cooper. This guy's an amazing
Speaker 1: route runner. You talk about the hundred receptions four years
Speaker 1: that is, I can't remember how many people have done that.
Speaker 1: It's got to only be a handful of people that
Speaker 1: can say that they've done that. So this team is
Speaker 1: very accomplished in this passing game. I think if we're
Speaker 1: gonna have any opportunity that we still have to play
Speaker 1: the way we have to play shut down that run.
Speaker 1: Still gotta shut the run down. And I think we
Speaker 1: just take our chances. As far as the passing game
Speaker 1: is concerned, I think we have a few more playmakers
Speaker 1: in the Secondarily. I liked the four turnouts we had,
Speaker 1: and yes the fourth one was of hail Mary, you know,
Speaker 1: at the end of the half, but we still did
Speaker 1: well with that. We are more we are a more
Speaker 1: opportunistic defense now. I truly believe that, and I think
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna I think we're still gonna have
Speaker 1: problems with the passing game. I'm just worried about make
Speaker 1: sure we stop that run. And here's what those three
Speaker 1: receivers we talked about did last week against Washington. Jared
Speaker 1: Cook had five catches for fifty six yards, Mike Williams
Speaker 1: had eight catches for eighty two yards in that touchdown,
Speaker 1: and Keenan Allen nine catches for one hundred yards. So
Speaker 1: why did they only score twenty points? They turned the
Speaker 1: ball over there an, there was an interception in the
Speaker 1: red zone. There was a freaky fumble that should have
Speaker 1: I thought should have been an incomplete pass. Herbert was
Speaker 1: back to pass throwing for the left corner of the
Speaker 1: end zone, got hit and they ruled it a fumble
Speaker 1: on the field, and I guess there wasn't enough evidence
Speaker 1: to show that he still had control of the ball
Speaker 1: as he released it, and so they kept it as
Speaker 1: a fumble recovered by Washington otherwise. So a couple of
Speaker 1: red zone turnovers is what cost them a lot to
Speaker 1: keep their score down last week. So, speaking of Herbert,
Speaker 1: I started looking at the Charger's release. Do you want
Speaker 1: a few mix shots on them? Yeah, an early mix
Speaker 1: shot here. In the past five starts, dating back to
Speaker 1: last season, Justin Herbert has led the Bolts on four
Speaker 1: game winning drives in the fourth quarter or overtime. In
Speaker 1: last week's game at Washington, the Chargers converted fourteen of
Speaker 1: nineteen third downs. The fourteen third down conversions were the
Speaker 1: most by any team in the last decade in a
Speaker 1: single game. This is what Herbert at quarterback. Remember he
Speaker 1: was offensive ap Rookie of the Year last year. Third
Speaker 1: down passing touchdowns since the start of the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: season tied for first place with Tom Brady is Justin Herbert.
Speaker 1: Third down passing Rady raiding one hundred attempts since the
Speaker 1: start of the twenty twenty season, Herbert is fifth at
Speaker 1: one h two point five on third down and passing
Speaker 1: yards leaders first sixteen career starts in pro football. Patrick
Speaker 1: Mahomes through for fifty one hundred yards and second Justin
Speaker 1: Herbert four thousand, six hundred and seventy five. So this
Speaker 1: guy is kind of the real deal. And I thought
Speaker 1: the thing that Mike McCarthy said about him that stuck
Speaker 1: out to me because of the length of their wide receivers,
Speaker 1: you have to consider their wide receivers always open because
Speaker 1: you can throw the ball up on them even if
Speaker 1: they're covered, and they'll come down with the football. So
Speaker 1: just know that while I'm sure everybody out there is
Speaker 1: kind of going, oh, we almost survived Tom Brady, well,
Speaker 1: this guy's pretty darn good too, just doesn't have the
Speaker 1: same experience. All right, So, how long have we thought
Speaker 1: that Justin Herbert is this type of quarterback? Well? I
Speaker 1: know one person that thought about him this well, long
Speaker 1: time ago, the same person who said a lot of
Speaker 1: good things about Troy Aikman when he scouted him coming
Speaker 1: out of UCLA some thirty two years ago. Now, absolutely,
Speaker 1: and you think we Hall of Famer, we can hear
Speaker 1: Gil brand So here is This is Gilbrandt from when
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen on the Cowboys Legends radio show with two
Speaker 1: guys named Bill Jones and Nicky Spagnola. All right, let's
Speaker 1: take a listen to what Gil Brandt was saying about
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert before years ago, before anyone had even heard
Speaker 1: of Justin Herbert unless you're an Oregon Duck fan. And
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. The best quarterback I've ever seen
Speaker 1: is a junior at Oregon by the name of Herbert.
Speaker 1: And the interesting thing about it is he went to school,
Speaker 1: he was not recruited by anybody except Mountain West. He
Speaker 1: threw two touchdown passes last week by Mountain West team
Speaker 1: or not Mountain West Big Sky teams and his father.
Speaker 1: His father went to Oregon State, his mother went to
Speaker 1: Oregon State, but his grandfather went to Oregon. And the
Speaker 1: grandfather's name Schwab. He was there in nineteen sixty three.
Speaker 1: I remember him and Charles Schwab. This guy, this guy's
Speaker 1: I think is gonna be unbelievable. Justin Herbert. Justin Herbert.
Speaker 1: He's like six to five, two hundred forty pounds and
Speaker 1: he runs about four to six. Oh my wow. And
Speaker 1: you know what, after Gil told us that I remember
Speaker 1: specifically making a point to go watch an Oregon game
Speaker 1: when was on television to see what this guy was
Speaker 1: all about. And my reaction then as then as I
Speaker 1: was there, Oh my, he was pretty darn good, all right.
Speaker 1: And Herbert's grandfather, not Charles Schwab, but Rich Schwab, played
Speaker 1: receiver in Oregon in the nineteen sixties and that's why
Speaker 1: Gil remembers him. So Gil scotted him too, back in
Speaker 1: the sixties. And Justin Herbert also grew up. According to
Speaker 1: his Wikipedia page, anyway, we could always below. Yes, absolutely,
Speaker 1: he grew up a San Diego Chargers fan. Even though
Speaker 1: he grew up in the state of Oregon. He probably graduated.
Speaker 1: He graduated from Oregon with a degree in biology. And
Speaker 1: all right, this tells you how smart this justin Herbert is.
Speaker 1: He was awarded the twenty nineteen William V. Campbell Trophy,
Speaker 1: which is considered the academic heisman. So there you go. So,
Speaker 1: by the way, and Everson, this is uh specifically for you.
Speaker 1: The reason I was late coming back in I wanted
Speaker 1: to go out and see who the interviews were with.
Speaker 1: They were supposed to be with, Ceedee lamb Ezekiel Elliott,
Speaker 1: Zach Martin, and DeMarcus Lawrence. Well, Dlawrence Armstrong's coming out
Speaker 1: for DeMarcus Lawrence, and that just kind of raised my
Speaker 1: antennas of I don't know, so we need to pay
Speaker 1: attention to see if it's just he decided not to
Speaker 1: come out and do that, or if something took place
Speaker 1: in practice. Hmm. Oh, I hope that's not the case.
Speaker 1: So there they were. They I think they finished the
Speaker 1: other three interviews and they were waiting for Dorian's Armstrong
Speaker 1: to come out. It may have just been a veteran's
Speaker 1: decision could have been again, he might have looked where.
Speaker 1: He might have looked where the where the cameras and
Speaker 1: the microphones were set up, and goes, now that's too
Speaker 1: far for me to watch. Yeah, you get out there,
Speaker 1: You get out there, young pup. So this this justin
Speaker 1: Herbert got first of all six five? Is he six five?
Speaker 1: He did not look? He doesn't look six five on
Speaker 1: the field. Was he look six seven? He looks, He looks,
Speaker 1: he looks smaller, He looks smaller, almost looks a little slight.
Speaker 1: So I was very I'm very surprised to hear that
Speaker 1: from Guilder, from you Upagnol. He is. And the other
Speaker 1: thing is, thank god he's young now because he does throw.
Speaker 1: He does throw some err passes. Because the guy's full
Speaker 1: of confidence, you know, talking about how smart he is.
Speaker 1: I can do anything. Yeah. Yeah. And he's feeling himself
Speaker 1: and he's got that past, happy offense, which is great
Speaker 1: for him. I'm sure that's why he likes San Diego.
Speaker 1: He probably has some memories of fouts or somebody Philip
Speaker 1: Rivers out there chunk in that rock in the backfield.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's kind of a quarterback's dream. And he
Speaker 1: probably knows he's got the same intellect as those two
Speaker 1: previous guys. I just will actually on their roster. He
Speaker 1: isn't six five, he's six six and from the from
Speaker 1: the Scouting Combine he measured the Scouting Combine official measurement
Speaker 1: for Justin Herbert's not only six six, he's six six
Speaker 1: and a quarter two thirty six pounds. Wow. Wow, that
Speaker 1: he does not look that big. Do you think he
Speaker 1: he plays hunched over or something. He didn't stand up taller.
Speaker 1: I would if I saw him if I really thought
Speaker 1: he was around de Nucci size. I thought he was
Speaker 1: around Nucci. That's a that's but that's just me. Obviously
Speaker 1: I was. I was very wrong. He's a half foot taller,
Speaker 1: and he can move. He can move like de Nucci. Um.
Speaker 1: And you know he ran a four six eight at
Speaker 1: the combine. That's pretty good when your six sets fashion
Speaker 1: than me. Ye, No, come on, what do you run?
Speaker 1: What do you run? At Grambling's protect They had me.
Speaker 1: We'll see. First of all, let's let's clarify some things.
Speaker 1: Grambling has no glass or turf. We had sand, red
Speaker 1: dirt and sand. So they said I ran a four
Speaker 1: seven four, and I I felt good about that until
Speaker 1: they told me what the number was. I think probably
Speaker 1: my best forty on the reel was probably a four
Speaker 1: to six. You know, as far as being timed, now
Speaker 1: on the field there's a whole different thing, but times
Speaker 1: is by the four six. You know, that was the
Speaker 1: problem with Jerry Rice when he ran his forty at
Speaker 1: Mississippi Valley State. No grass. Probably we don't have the
Speaker 1: greatest facility, yes, man, Yeah, they're not running on We
Speaker 1: got rid all over the place. They're not running on
Speaker 1: turf inside right in the sterile atmosphere. So they probably
Speaker 1: measured it off wrong. That's ever since he probably you
Speaker 1: probably ran forty two yards instead of forty probably probably, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the scouts fault. They measure so and I um,
Speaker 1: I was trying to remember. It was McCarthy or Quinn.
Speaker 1: I think it was Quinn talking about Herbert and he
Speaker 1: said that, you know, he's very mobile, and when he
Speaker 1: gets outside the pocket, he's not getting outside the pocket
Speaker 1: to run. He keeps his eyes down the field and
Speaker 1: he's looking to throw the ball, so he's basically extending plays.
Speaker 1: And he said, you know there's two parts to this.
Speaker 1: You know, if he's in the pocket. You know you
Speaker 1: can count one, two, three, You hope the balls out,
Speaker 1: but when he starts to move, you may have to
Speaker 1: play that play for seven seconds. You got to stay
Speaker 1: with your receivers because he doesn't really want to run.
Speaker 1: If he has to, he will, but he wants to
Speaker 1: throw the ball down the field, and he did run.
Speaker 1: The guys go ahead, Everson. When you start, when you start,
Speaker 1: when you start talking about the quarterbacks that we're going
Speaker 1: up against this year, Justin Herbert is just as typical
Speaker 1: as the ones we're gonna see all season. For the
Speaker 1: most part, everybody's thrown for over three hundred yards. You
Speaker 1: just might as well get ready for that. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be a past happy year, more so now than ever,
Speaker 1: I believe, especially from what we've seen this past weekend.
Speaker 1: And the other thing is you've got a secondary that
Speaker 1: you have to depend on to still make plays. You're
Speaker 1: gonna give them up. But the only thing that's gonna
Speaker 1: stop these three hundred yard passers is you have to
Speaker 1: offset those big plays that they're gonna have offensively with
Speaker 1: turnovers of your own. We showed that in this last game.
Speaker 1: It kept us in the game, and it's gonna have
Speaker 1: to keep us in every game this season because the
Speaker 1: yards are gonna come. That's okay, that's the league. Now,
Speaker 1: don't worry about that. Make sure you're not don't get frustrated,
Speaker 1: and you gotta get yours exactly. And to echo what
Speaker 1: you just said. So I just counted it up. Eleven
Speaker 1: quarterbacks this first week through for at least three hundred yards,
Speaker 1: eleven of them. And as we said yesterday, sixteen teams
Speaker 1: scored twenty seven points or more. So in this league,
Speaker 1: it's a passing league. I bet all these other teams
Speaker 1: aren't sitting there asking their head coach about balance. Right
Speaker 1: you think anybody asks John Gruden about balance? Because car
Speaker 1: through for four hundred and thirty five yards, coach, don't
Speaker 1: you need some balance? Balance this? Mickey? When we come
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Speaker 1: the number of how many quarterbacks through the ball forty
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Speaker 1: And then I just realized that, well that was for Tuesday,
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Speaker 1: I did my homework assignment Bill Jones gave me, which
Speaker 1: was how many quarterbacks in the National Football League in
Speaker 1: Week one through forty five or more? Passes? Oh, I
Speaker 1: thought you asked for forty Well we can go forward
Speaker 1: to give you forty eight. And of those eight, six
Speaker 1: of them through fifty or more. Okay. My question then
Speaker 1: was how many sco through fifty or more? Yeah? Now
Speaker 1: Herbert through forty seven in a winning propose? And I
Speaker 1: also looked up how many Um like that can't be
Speaker 1: right because well, you know what the ones det through
Speaker 1: forty or more got? It was forty seven or more. Okay.
Speaker 1: There was a forty seven forty nine and the other
Speaker 1: ones were fifty okay, So yeah, which was my point?
Speaker 1: Five or more? So forty seven or more? There are
Speaker 1: eight quarterbacks, do you happen? Can you read them off
Speaker 1: for me? I can't you want forty seven or more?
Speaker 1: Forty seven or more? So forty nine? Kirk Cousins. Okay,
Speaker 1: they lost in overtime, right trying to catch up? Prescott
Speaker 1: fifty eight lost a close game two point game and
Speaker 1: two Brady fifty they won, So that's one in two
Speaker 1: Goff fifty seven, fifty seven. They came back. They were
Speaker 1: down forty one sixteen, came back, made it, So that's
Speaker 1: one in three Car fifty six. They won a close
Speaker 1: game two and three. Herbert forty seven. They won a
Speaker 1: close game three and three Alan Buffalo. They Buffalo got
Speaker 1: beat by Pittsburgh three and four. And then well where's
Speaker 1: Brady Brady was fifty you said I did, and then
Speaker 1: Lawrence Jacksonville, so they were three and five. Yeah, the quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: you threw that many. My point on that was, I
Speaker 1: think you're what we're finding here. And Everson talked about
Speaker 1: it earlier in the show, and you've talked about it too,
Speaker 1: and some of us is fairly obvious just the way
Speaker 1: the game has evolved, but it even seems like it's
Speaker 1: evolving even more towards throwing the football. It's in the
Speaker 1: dna of so many offensive coordinators in this lead to
Speaker 1: throw the ball, and with the talent on hand and
Speaker 1: the abilities that I mean, you just look at the
Speaker 1: draft every year and how many receivers there are in
Speaker 1: the draft that the college game is producing. It's it's
Speaker 1: just more and more. It's a past happy league. And
Speaker 1: we only have five players who rushed for at least
Speaker 1: one hundred yards, just five. So Harris New England Damien
Speaker 1: Harris did. Is that Damien Harris Okay also fumbled or
Speaker 1: costly fumbled. Gordon for Denver. Melvin Gordon had a seventy
Speaker 1: yard run. They got him one oh one. So yeah,
Speaker 1: so he has ten eleven carries for one oh one
Speaker 1: and went for seven at seventy so he had ten
Speaker 1: carries for thirty one and then a seventy yard Yeah. Uh.
Speaker 1: Mitchell San Francisco, Elijah Mitchell him. He's a rookie. He
Speaker 1: got a lot of tech I think, and or one
Speaker 1: of the Louisiana schools. I really liked him coming out
Speaker 1: in the draft. One hundred and four yards Montgomery, Chicago.
Speaker 1: One of the reasons that he rushed for so much
Speaker 1: Mitchell did is they lost mostart in that game, right
Speaker 1: they did? And then they got off to a pretty
Speaker 1: big lead, didn't they if I remember correctly, So they're
Speaker 1: probably grinding at the end. Montgomery sixteen carries one oh
Speaker 1: eight for the Bears and mixing in overtime Cincinnati and
Speaker 1: that went all the way ten minutes of overtime. If
Speaker 1: I remember, twenty nine carries for one hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: seven yards. So the guy that had the best, you know,
Speaker 1: perk carry average ended up being Gordon An for nine
Speaker 1: point two. But it was one run. So yeah, So
Speaker 1: it wasn't like people were just grinding away running the football.
Speaker 1: But I do think and Parcels talked about this a
Speaker 1: lot to wait until you get into November and December
Speaker 1: and you get bad weather and so forth, and teams
Speaker 1: will run it more. I think every year in September,
Speaker 1: you're gonnas. There's gonna be more throwing that's going on,
Speaker 1: and the game dictates it a lot. But I thought
Speaker 1: what was remarkable about the Cowboys Tampa Bay game and
Speaker 1: what the Cowboys did. It wasn't like they came to
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage and said we're going to throw
Speaker 1: it fifty eight times. It is they saw what the
Speaker 1: defense was giving them, basically, and Dak took what the
Speaker 1: defense was giving them. You know. The other thing, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to see the number Mic threw it out today.
Speaker 1: He was saying, and some of the runs that we
Speaker 1: could have had and this wasn't in reference to what
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore said yesterday, but he said there there was
Speaker 1: a few RPOs where they could have ran it, but
Speaker 1: Dak chose to pull it back and throw the ball.
Speaker 1: So it's like they had those there, and that kind
Speaker 1: of went up to how many times they ended up
Speaker 1: running the football. But all told, it's you need receiving
Speaker 1: cores like these teams have, and you need quarterbacks like
Speaker 1: these teams have. And that's what I love about this
Speaker 1: matchup the Cowboys and the Chargers this week because even
Speaker 1: though the Cowboys are down, Michael Gallup, with Amari Cooper
Speaker 1: and with Ceedee Lamb, and with what the tight ends
Speaker 1: can do catching the ball, what the running backs can
Speaker 1: do catching the ball out of the backfield, there's still
Speaker 1: plenty of weapons for Dak to do what he wants
Speaker 1: to do in this game. I think what McCarthy's quote was,
Speaker 1: if you throw the ball fifty times, but fifteen of
Speaker 1: them are RPOs, so it kind of distorts how many
Speaker 1: times you actually were calling run plays. They want to
Speaker 1: run the ball, they want to give Zeke the ball.
Speaker 1: And I thought it, I don't remember if I said
Speaker 1: it yesterday. I thought it was remarkable that even though
Speaker 1: Zeke wasn't they weren't feeding him. He was doing his
Speaker 1: job picking up the blitzes and blocking in the pass game. Well,
Speaker 1: here's the deal I think on running the ball where
Speaker 1: it factored into that game the other day, is when you,
Speaker 1: especially in that circumstance when Tom Brady is the quarterback
Speaker 1: on the other side, you have the football in the
Speaker 1: final two minutes. You want to be able to move
Speaker 1: the chains to be able to have the football at
Speaker 1: the end kicking your field goal to win the game
Speaker 1: and not allow Tom Brady back on the field. And
Speaker 1: in order to do that, you have to be able
Speaker 1: to run the football because because the way the defense
Speaker 1: is going to play you, they're doing everything they can
Speaker 1: to keep you from getting that first down in the
Speaker 1: passing game, and if you have, if you haven't established
Speaker 1: the fact that you can run it, then your chances
Speaker 1: of converting are not great and you can just like
Speaker 1: in the Cowboys case, they had a holding penalty that
Speaker 1: set them behind the chains. You typically if you're able
Speaker 1: to run the ball three four yards five yards at
Speaker 1: a clip, you're not going to have penalties and you're
Speaker 1: going to be in third and two rather than third
Speaker 1: and ten. So and remember when they got the ball
Speaker 1: back at four fifty two in the fourth quarter against
Speaker 1: New England degree against Tampa Bay. They're behind, right, so
Speaker 1: in your mind you're thinking, okay, we got to go
Speaker 1: and probably got to score a touchdown. We're not trying
Speaker 1: to just drain the clock. But once, but once, CD
Speaker 1: made the play the thirty one yard that got him
Speaker 1: into the field into field goal range with two minute.
Speaker 1: It was the first play of the final two minutes,
Speaker 1: so it was a minute fifty five to play at
Speaker 1: that point. Now you can manage things. Now you need
Speaker 1: to get that first down. You need to for them
Speaker 1: to use their timeouts Tampa Bay and then get the
Speaker 1: ear first down where you can now bleed the clock
Speaker 1: all the way down. And the Cowboys weren't able to
Speaker 1: do that right, And here what happened. So the first
Speaker 1: play they ran Zeke right, he got one yard and
Speaker 1: they're at the ten. So now you got to go
Speaker 1: ninety yards try to score a touchdown on that drive. Okay,
Speaker 1: they got to second and ten at their own thirty
Speaker 1: eight and he hits a twenty three yard pass, the
Speaker 1: CD lamb and the Cowboys get called for holding, which
Speaker 1: was that was the one on Tyrn Smith that I
Speaker 1: think they said Collins were said on TV goes Boa
Speaker 1: that was kind of picky. So now you're second and
Speaker 1: twenty at the twenty six, well, okay, you pass, you pass.
Speaker 1: They got the second and ten after they got the
Speaker 1: first down the play you were talking about to Cede
Speaker 1: Lamb and they ran Zeke for four yards. Okay, they
Speaker 1: had an incomplete pass first right right, and then they
Speaker 1: ran Zeke for four yards and then they short passed
Speaker 1: to Zeke again no gain, but that's almost like a run.
Speaker 1: And now on that play they got called for holding
Speaker 1: right Williams. So now you're third and sixteen, Well you're
Speaker 1: passing right right, And unfortunately they only ended up with
Speaker 1: ten yards and then they had to kick the fields.
Speaker 1: What what I would have liked once they got to
Speaker 1: the thirty four. I would have liked to have run
Speaker 1: it on first down and it was an incomplete pass,
Speaker 1: So run both both times. Yeah, where if you can
Speaker 1: you know, even if you just get two yards on
Speaker 1: first down and you're second and eight, and then if
Speaker 1: you can get forward and make it third and four,
Speaker 1: and now the defense doesn't know whether you can run
Speaker 1: it or passing it, because then then you're in a
Speaker 1: position if you even get it down to fourth and one,
Speaker 1: now you could make the decision whether you want to
Speaker 1: go for it because they've used their timeouts, whether you
Speaker 1: want to go for it. And you know people have
Speaker 1: talked about fourth and sixth at the thirty, Well I
Speaker 1: would have just gone for it anyway, you know, because
Speaker 1: that's twenty four left. Yeah, met fourth and one. You
Speaker 1: can make that decision whether you whether you're going to
Speaker 1: go forth. So kind of where where it's sort of
Speaker 1: messed up? Uh, you know, had they not gotten that
Speaker 1: holding penalty right right? And even though it was no gain,
Speaker 1: you're at the thirty now again, think about this, Your
Speaker 1: kicker is already missed from thirty one and thirty three.
Speaker 1: How much faith did you have when him when he
Speaker 1: signed he lined up for a forty eight yard field goal.
Speaker 1: If you're at the thirty, right, you're thinking, oh, I
Speaker 1: better get this closer. And so there was there was
Speaker 1: more to think about than just draining the clock. It
Speaker 1: was like, can I get my kicker if I don't
Speaker 1: get the first down comfortable? At that point when you're
Speaker 1: third and sixteen at the forty, you got to get
Speaker 1: it to the third eighty Triapri eight yard field and
Speaker 1: that's where they were it did, which they were there
Speaker 1: until they got the holding penalty, right, So yeah, you
Speaker 1: know when you look back at it, yeah, you shore
Speaker 1: ran the ball more and you would have drained more
Speaker 1: time off the clock, but you needed to kick a
Speaker 1: field goal, and you needed your field goal kicker to
Speaker 1: be comfortable, and I don't know that he was comfortable.
Speaker 1: And that's why a lot of people are sitting there
Speaker 1: going fourth and six, Oh, you gotta go for And
Speaker 1: for that matter, at this point in the season, you
Speaker 1: don't have confidence that you can run the ball down there, Okay,
Speaker 1: especially against that defense, which was the number one right
Speaker 1: run defense in the league last year. So it matters
Speaker 1: who you're playing against also, And I also think you
Speaker 1: see this even with really good offensive lines, sometimes it
Speaker 1: takes a month into the season before the run blocking
Speaker 1: is really clicking for these teams. And they didn't have
Speaker 1: these guys all together through all of training camp, right,
Speaker 1: It was kind of patchwork, right, you know. So yeah,
Speaker 1: and so that was really the first game those five
Speaker 1: played together. And now those five on all they didn't
Speaker 1: even work together, right, because Zach Martin was missing, that's right,
Speaker 1: and now they'll have Lele Collins missing, Zack's back, Dat's back.
Speaker 1: So you'd have to go back sometime in the two
Speaker 1: thousand nineteen season too, and you had Travis Frederick then,
Speaker 1: and so they this offensive line has never played together, right,
Speaker 1: this is this is this is not your ten year
Speaker 1: olds offensive line. Okay, all right, that does it for
Speaker 1: mixed shots for this Wednesday, and Everson hopefully we'll be
Speaker 1: joining us from a remote location again tomorrow. And for
Speaker 1: Mickey Spagnola, I'm Bill Jones. We'll chat at you again
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