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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tremendous as Joker has been. He's putting up

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Speaker 2: astronomical numbers, but they just can't guard nobody.

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Speaker 3: He's saying that the refs are corrupt, Yeah, cheating, you're

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Speaker 4: But the biggest thing for me is, like, the only

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Speaker 4: doors to me is people see is because they look

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Speaker 4: at Wenby.

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Speaker 5: As a kid.

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Speaker 2: This is my kingdom, right and our kingdom has been successful.

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Speaker 2: Now you come strolling into town and you want me

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Speaker 2: to adjust.

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Speaker 4: To you like, he's not MPJA progressive what I'm saying,

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Speaker 4: and for him to be that in that system is not.

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Speaker 6: It's gonna make them better.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back later and gentlemen, to the latest edition of

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Speaker 3: No Fouls Given. Tom Big Wah joined as always bought

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Speaker 3: my guys, Paul Pierce, Danny Green.

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Speaker 1: We got a.

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Speaker 3: Dope show for you guys today. Let's get back into

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Speaker 3: Monday Nights Action. Nuggets at OKC. Incredible finish at the end,

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Speaker 3: Shay Gilgess Alexander hit a step back three but two

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Speaker 3: point seven seconds left to beat the Nuggets one twenty

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Speaker 3: nine six. In the process, he matched Wil Chamberlain's record

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Speaker 3: for consecutive twenty point games at one hundred and twenty six.

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Speaker 1: Shay had thirty five.

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Speaker 3: Points in a career high fifteen dimes. Yeah, a lot

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Speaker 3: of dimes. They these dudes can't miss. Yesterday, Jolkis had

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Speaker 3: thirty two fourteen thirteen assists. It was the twenty fourth

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Speaker 3: triple double of the season thunder one despite missus Chett, Hartenstein,

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Speaker 4: Damn, that's crazy, just a dope win for Yo, because

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Speaker 4: I mean they were all out k Golden State. I

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Speaker 4: thought like some of them will come back for Denver, right,

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Speaker 4: but now that's again there's no excuses for Denver, Like,

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Speaker 4: I mean, you got some people out, but not as

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Speaker 4: many as Okay, see y'all have Jamal out?

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Speaker 6: And who is it?

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Speaker 3: Ja played Jamal played Gordon Ken Johnson played Peyton.

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Speaker 5: Watson on Washington and he's a big key.

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Speaker 1: He's a big he's a big piece. But obviously chat

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Speaker 2: Then that's only Aaron Gordon's like second game, he looked

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Speaker 2: like he was getting his rhythm for sure.

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Speaker 6: Twenty three.

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Speaker 2: I've lost Tim Hardwin, You've lost faith in Denver. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's tremendous as Joker has been. He's putting up astronomical numbers,

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Speaker 2: but they just can't guard nobody.

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Speaker 1: Yeah he said it.

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Speaker 2: Didn't the Knicks go in there and beat them. They

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Speaker 2: one got hurt, so they were It's still points just yeah,

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Speaker 2: and I Cam Johnson has been underwhelming for me from

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Speaker 2: what I expected from him to come into Denver uniform

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Speaker 2: replace Michael Porter Junior, who's had an All star type

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Speaker 5: So now that trade looks like WHOA.

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Speaker 2: We really should have just stayed patient with Michael Porter,

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Speaker 2: even though he's stunk it up in the playoffs a

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Speaker 2: year ago. But Cam just seems like he's lost out there,

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Speaker 2: like he's not guarding at a high level, he's not

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Speaker 2: making shots at a high level. And then a lot

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Speaker 2: of times and then there's times where you just don't

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Speaker 2: even know he's out there. When you thought he would

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Speaker 2: be the key to help them over the hump as

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Speaker 2: a defensive stopper, as a guy that can make shots

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Speaker 2: and be consistent, he hasn't been the guy they want

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Speaker 2: him to. Now maybe that can change in the playoffs,

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Speaker 2: But based on what we thought of that trade, because

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Speaker 2: we thought that was a great trade, Yeah, you know

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Speaker 2: at the time, but now when you look at it,

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Speaker 2: it's like, I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I'm with you.

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Speaker 4: Defensively, I'm not gonna put it all one guy, Cam.

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Speaker 4: I think it's gonna take some time for them, even

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Speaker 4: though it's been a year, Like I think it's going

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Speaker 4: to take some time for people to adapt, to adjust

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Speaker 4: to certain playing styles. He's had some good games, he's

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Speaker 4: been out with injuries, had some bad games. And defensively, yes,

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Speaker 4: all their guards could be better, you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 4: like even their bigs. But yeah, I mean I thought

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Speaker 4: in Okay? See now it's Spurs. Okay, see Denver, even

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Speaker 4: with healthy they don't look.

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Speaker 6: They look very beatable.

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Speaker 4: And you know what I'm saying, Like, I mean, obviously

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Speaker 4: so maybe that's an adjustment, but I don't see them

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Speaker 2: Well, they're not completely cooked, but because I will tell

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Speaker 2: you this, Yeah, what's mind bottle is how with that

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Speaker 2: type of home court advantage are they losing so much

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Speaker 5: But you gotta protect your home.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean, I'm not gonna say they're cooked

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Speaker 3: if I think if they're generally healthy, they're gonna be

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Speaker 3: a hard team to beat in the playoffs. I just

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Speaker 3: he's just not moving the same and.

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Speaker 1: It's really affecting his play on defense.

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Speaker 3: And I think he's just been a target in a

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Speaker 3: way that he just was not before the injury happened.

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Speaker 3: It's not that he can't score, because his scoring game

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Speaker 3: is not based on moving his feet.

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Speaker 1: On defense, though, there's no way to get.

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Speaker 3: Around having a movie your feet, you know, having a

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Speaker 1: So to me, that's the thing, And you wonder how

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Speaker 3: Saving to just be like, yo, let's just get to April,

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Speaker 3: get to the regular season.

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Speaker 1: I mean, get to the postseason and I'll be fine,

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Speaker 3: I think Cam Johnson, I think that's been disappointing to

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Speaker 3: me is just he's just not aggressive enough.

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Speaker 1: He's just not looking for his shot MPJ.

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Speaker 4: Like it's like he's not MPJ aggressive what I'm saying,

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Speaker 4: And for him to be that in that system is

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Speaker 4: not gonna make them better.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because like it's not your job to distribute for them. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: they got Jokic obviously, he's one of these leading the

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Speaker 1: Like it's not on you to be like a ball mover,

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Speaker 4: He's never been that type of player. Like it's crazy

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Speaker 4: to see Tim Hardaway is more aggressive than him off

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Tim Hardy has been the perfect.

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Speaker 4: that aggressiveness with looking for a shot, Like he's always

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Speaker 6: For my shot. And I mean that's maybe an adjustment

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Speaker 2: But what would you do though, Like when the way

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Speaker 2: the way Peyton Watson play, Yeah, they'll have an injuries.

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Speaker 2: When when he comes back, do you insert him into

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Speaker 3: You might, it's definitely an option you might have to

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Speaker 5: But then does that diminish your firepower off the bench.

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Speaker 3: So, because even with all the injuries, missed a bunch

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Speaker 3: of time, Like if you look up Denver's offensive efficient,

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Speaker 3: they're like one to two in the NBA, the No

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Speaker 3: one So like we can say, like their offense doesn't

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Speaker 1: Good as anybody.

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Speaker 4: The defense is the problem to me, the defense falling

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Speaker 1: Being in the bottom six of the NBA.

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Speaker 3: Like, come on, bro, you can't even one of the

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Speaker 3: six worst defensive teams when there's twelve teams tanking.

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Speaker 1: You can't play worse defense than tankers.

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Speaker 4: No, But to your point, even if they did insert

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Speaker 4: payon Watson and startline, I think your bench is still

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Speaker 4: good because Cam is still a good player over the bench.

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Speaker 4: I don't think you're losing much. Again, I think it's

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Speaker 4: like you said, it's not the offense it's the problem.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I said, I'm not doomsday, Like I don't

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Speaker 6: And it's like, I just think, yeah.

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Speaker 2: But at the same time, throughout the course of the season,

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Speaker 1: Them as a championship type of team and they don't

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but we all know this. Throughout the course of

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Speaker 2: you don't just turn it want to become a defensive team.

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Speaker 2: And a playoffs start, like after about seventy games, you

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Speaker 2: are like me, you are who you are?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, y'all can't.

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Speaker 5: It's not no turn it on.

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Speaker 3: So at the same time, I will say this, we

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Speaker 3: do have to circle back to last year.

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Speaker 1: They fired their coach with like a week to go.

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Speaker 3: It was disastrous to the point where they fired Mike

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Speaker 3: Polone and then they had a night showing in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Right, So you know that's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to hit the panic button, but you

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Speaker 6: How far do you how far do you have them

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Speaker 1: Like I still think they'll win a first round series?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so in the second round? Is that good?

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Speaker 1: Second round?

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Speaker 6: Is that not a disappointing season for that type of group?

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Speaker 3: I mean, in the second round they're gonna end up playing.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna assume they end up playing either.

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Speaker 2: Okay, see about the second round, you gotta deal with

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Speaker 2: the first round, six or fifth seed.

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Speaker 1: They played.

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Speaker 6: The bro they gotta play Spurs. Okay, see then yeah.

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Speaker 3: They got it. They they need to stay out of

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Speaker 3: the play. They need to stay above I mean, somehow.

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Speaker 5: They need to find a way to get home court

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Speaker 5: advantage in the.

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Speaker 6: First round some way.

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Speaker 4: But they're also they're they're not only but two or

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Speaker 4: three games behind like third or fourth place, right like

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Speaker 4: three or four games. But they're also like they're like

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Speaker 1: It's definitely troublesome. Again, I don't know. I think they

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Speaker 1: stay out of that seventh seed. They find a way

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Speaker 3: I'm not wor like if they end up in a

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Speaker 3: matchup against Timberwolves, Lakers, or Rockets, I don't think that's.

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Speaker 1: The end of the world.

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Speaker 4: That's just it's not But I didn't before the season.

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Speaker 4: Have Minnesota good enough to beat most teams? We talked

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Speaker 4: they'll be Denver pretty I think they beat they will

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Speaker 4: probably beat Denver the first round. Yeah, you know what

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Speaker 4: I'm saying, which should not happen, as like the Denver

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Speaker 3: That the way the season is unfolding injury wise, And

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Speaker 3: But again, if you just watch, you can pull up

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Speaker 3: never gonna be you know, san Antonio on OKC, on defense,

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Speaker 3: they're not. But if you could be like the twelve

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Speaker 1: You can't be twenty six. You can't be twenty six.

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Speaker 6: You'll at least be ten spots.

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Speaker 3: Come on, bro, So we'll see how that stuff shakes out.

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Speaker 1: Uh Kawhi. Leonard is also streaking.

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Speaker 3: Last night was his forty second straight game with twenty

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Speaker 3: behind shake Gilgess Alexander that's crazy. He looked amazing against

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Speaker 3: the Knicks, scored twenty nine points. Ben Mathern couldn't miss.

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Speaker 3: He dropped twenty eight the Clippers. The Knicks won twenty

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Speaker 6: That's crazy, I mean, Okay.

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Speaker 3: The Clippers at thirty two and thirty two and have

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Speaker 6: Big Cats Home, Big Cats, rather big Cat.

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Speaker 3: He must love being in that. Laf Brunson had twenty six,

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Speaker 2: Paul Man, originally I thought when they traded James Harden

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Speaker 1: Guard Darris gard Garland.

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Speaker 2: They actually, I actually like the way they play, the

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Speaker 2: in the playoffs, I'm telling you, because they got experience.

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Speaker 2: they they can avoid. I mean, but the thing about that,

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Speaker 2: you know how the playoffs is Danny, Like, man, some

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Speaker 2: just sore. That's the type of tea the Clippers can

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Speaker 4: To me, it was like, oh, they're just thrown it

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Speaker 4: gonna try to get Kawhi now, like what's going on?

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Speaker 4: But yeah, Kawhi, he's showing what he's been, Like what

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Speaker 4: he's capable of forty two. It's crazy that he hundred

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Speaker 4: games behind like the next active Street Yeah she's one

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Speaker 4: when he's at his best, man, he's the top five

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Speaker 6: When he's at his best.

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Speaker 4: You know, he just hasn't been available, hasn't been as

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Speaker 4: them back from six to twenty one to thirty two

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Speaker 4: and thirty two is unbelievable, especially with all the trades

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Speaker 4: they had.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, new faces, Yeah, so acclimated the new teammates.

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Speaker 6: I like, I like what they got.

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Speaker 4: They got some good The biggest thing was we didn't

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Speaker 4: know when Darius was coming back and how he's gonna

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Speaker 4: look when he came back.

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Speaker 1: That's to me is the that's the key to me.

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Speaker 3: Last night against the Knicks, him and Matt thrend they

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Speaker 3: know they're beating the Knicks up on the offensive boards,

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Speaker 3: which I'm just like, that's embarrassing if you're in New

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Speaker 4: Points and they don't have like a big front like what

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Speaker 4: I'm saying, No, not at all.

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Speaker 6: Mister Robinson didn't.

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Speaker 3: Know Mitchell Robinson didn't play always hot. Porty was getting

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Speaker 1: He was getting by people. He just looked quick, he.

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Speaker 6: Looked spry him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he looked back to himself.

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Speaker 1: And so you know that has to play a part

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Speaker 3: You know, eighteen of thirty nine from three, you know,

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Speaker 3: team that shoots it like that.

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Speaker 1: But just watching the Knicks in this soft ass defense.

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Speaker 3: Which is like it's just back and forth with these guys,

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Speaker 3: like when do they decide that defense matters and they're

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Speaker 3: gonna try. But I you know, I took my cap

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Speaker 3: to coach Loud the entire staff for coaching these guys

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Speaker 5: So good for them.

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Speaker 2: Actually, you remember when I said, we talked about this

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And what I said Michel, he was think about it.

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Speaker 5: Look at everybody playing.

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Speaker 2: Well, you got Andrew Noby doing what he starts to do,

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Speaker 5: Michel is letting them down.

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Speaker 2: And I get, I get everybody can't score, but he

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Speaker 5: He let alone that was up and.

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Speaker 3: His his defensive impact in terms of you know, sometimes

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Speaker 4: Depu is he's splitting the time with Shammick because he

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Speaker 1: Well it's shammit.

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Speaker 4: Everybody else playing thirty plus and starting lineupself.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes with Shammick it's just like his you know how

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Speaker 3: we said Cam Johnson needs to be more willing to shoot.

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Speaker 1: That's the same thing with Michel Bridges, where Shammitt.

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Speaker 6: This is more aggressive.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he put up twelve threes last night, only made.

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Speaker 5: Three of them.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but again put them up.

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Speaker 1: The guy got up twelve threes. He's one of their

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Speaker 3: Like, he does change the dynamic of their offense in

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Speaker 1: Coast road showing.

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Speaker 3: You know, maybe being in LA from Friday to freaking Monday.

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Speaker 4: It's diminishing twenty five minutes. Everybody else again thirty five plus.

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Speaker 3: I think that's that's definitely a shaman thing because he's

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Speaker 1: These guys are just offering.

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Speaker 3: Just more like yeah, basically, and Michel, even though he's

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Speaker 1: Of that stuff, it's just like four first round draft.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And then you looked on the internet, you know, I'm

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Speaker 3: Some of the the Twitter spaces and Nick fans and

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Speaker 3: we gave up all these picks for this guy. If

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Speaker 1: A nice package together.

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Speaker 3: Wow, you know, And so now the fan base is

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Speaker 1: Him an opportunity.

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Speaker 3: It's just I don't know, man, I don't know how

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Speaker 1: It just seems like he's just been crazy underwhelming.

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Speaker 4: Should the Knicks be concerned absolutely with Mikel Bridges playing, said,

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Speaker 4: you're supposed to be locking in, like Denver is not

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Speaker 3: From what from what I could glean, it doesn't seem

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Speaker 3: If I'm a Knicks fan, yeah, I want to see

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Speaker 3: my team play more consistently than this. At the same time,

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Speaker 3: they're probably gonna end up winning fit fifty games, you

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Speaker 3: know anyway, which everybody, by everybody's estimation, that's a pretty

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Speaker 3: good season. I'm sure the schedule will open up in

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Speaker 3: terms of not having to play you know, these above

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Speaker 1: Road a ton.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm you know, the inconsistency is just so frustrating.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I mean it's hard to develop consistency.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they got looked, they got Utah, Indiana, Golden State, Indiana, Brooklyn.

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Speaker 6: Easy, probably the lightest.

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Speaker 1: Yo, bro.

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Speaker 3: In two weeks, we're gonna be talking about the next

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Speaker 6: They better some of these games at Utah.

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Speaker 3: They don't got Utah till Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: You don't need to rust the Salt Lake City.

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Speaker 5: We can go there in the morning. Go there in

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Speaker 5: We got Utah tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Let's fly at about noon, about like four thirty five around.

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Speaker 5: Let's just go.

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Speaker 3: looking at it, like, all right, we got through this

445
00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:14,040
Speaker 3: road trip. We should have got the split for sure.

446
00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:16,560
Speaker 3: When you talk about the Lakers without Lebron and the

447
00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:18,600
Speaker 3: Clippers who are just trying to round into shape with

448
00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,280
Speaker 3: like you guys mentioned their brand new roster. But come on, man,

449
00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,240
Speaker 3: all these tankers coming up, they should be able to

450
00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:25,720
Speaker 3: get right.

451
00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:30,800
Speaker 1: There will be no more Magic City Monday for the

452
00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:31,760
Speaker 1: Atlanta Hall.

453
00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:34,480
Speaker 2: Just before you go further with like, was this supposed

454
00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,280
Speaker 2: to be something that would go weekly.

455
00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:42,280
Speaker 1: Monday one night? It's been canceled.

456
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:47,400
Speaker 3: The Luke Cornett and our Horford led protests worked out.

457
00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:51,200
Speaker 4: Who said protests didn't work right? Yeah, got results.

458
00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,760
Speaker 1: Do you guys think the league make the right decision?

459
00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:57,520
Speaker 6: What do you think?

460
00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:04,600
Speaker 3: Look me personally, I don't have a problem with Magic

461
00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,720
Speaker 3: City Monday, where from what I'm understanding, it was just

462
00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:10,200
Speaker 3: gonna be like a Wing Night special and then some

463
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:11,240
Speaker 3: branded merchant.

464
00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:13,760
Speaker 1: We were all gonna move on with our lives.

465
00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:18,719
Speaker 3: At the same time, again, the league promotes itself as

466
00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:24,080
Speaker 3: a family oriented product, meaning not only can Paul Pierce

467
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,680
Speaker 3: come to the game or Danny, you can bring your children,

468
00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 3: meaning you can bring NBA.

469
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,720
Speaker 1: Fans who were trying to cultivate who are eight nine

470
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,800
Speaker 1: years old. Should you be setting the message to.

471
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:42,680
Speaker 3: Nine year old girls that sex work should be exalted

472
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 3: as an NBA corporate entity that claims to be family friendly.

473
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,800
Speaker 1: Probably not, That's what I would say.

474
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,160
Speaker 3: That's why I would say they probably made the right decision,

475
00:21:56,160 --> 00:22:00,680
Speaker 3: because it just shows an inconsistency or constra addiction of

476
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:05,920
Speaker 3: how you position your brand, Like you're not the UFC, right,

477
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 3: You're not boxing, You're not some of these other sports

478
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,680
Speaker 3: that like our brand is adult, you know, like our

479
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,920
Speaker 3: guys say in the UFC, we say racist shit, we

480
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 3: don't give a fuck about nothing, Like.

481
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,480
Speaker 1: We have an adult centered product, so we don't have

482
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,200
Speaker 1: to concerns.

483
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,400
Speaker 3: The NBA is trying to be more universalists, and they're

484
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,239
Speaker 3: trying to bring the family in sort of like a

485
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:34,119
Speaker 3: Disney esque product, right, and we know that Disney Corporation

486
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,879
Speaker 3: would never associate.

487
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 1: With adult entertainment or sex work.

488
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,879
Speaker 3: I think the NBA is they tried to position themselves

489
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:44,919
Speaker 3: as a similar product.

490
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 1: So that's why I'm just like it's consistent.

491
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:49,679
Speaker 3: And I know, like because people on the internet like

492
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 3: been yelling at me, like the NBA, you know, they

493
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 3: associate themselves with liquor and gambling, and I'm like, guys,

494
00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 3: think about it.

495
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:00,240
Speaker 1: Think about any parent out there here.

496
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 3: If you say to them, yo, one day, your kid's

497
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,120
Speaker 3: gonna bet money on sports, the kind of thing that

498
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,880
Speaker 3: ruins people lives, They'll be like, all right, I'm sure my.

499
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:09,959
Speaker 1: Kid will be able to handle it.

500
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 3: One day, your kid is gonna drink Tennessy another you know,

501
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 3: very close NBA alloy people like all right, yo, one day,

502
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:19,640
Speaker 3: your kid's going to be a stripper on the pole.

503
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,119
Speaker 1: I think most parents would not want to hear that, Like, like,

504
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,119
Speaker 1: to me, this ship is kind of obvious. Why the

505
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 1: NBA doesn't co sign it? You know what I mean?

506
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 2: What I mean, you know what a lot of things

507
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 2: we do. And I kind of disagree because I mean,

508
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 2: everybody who knows who's been to Atlanta understands this is

509
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 2: their culture. You know, a lot of apartment buildings, a

510
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 2: lot of rent has been paid, tuition has paid, a

511
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:56,640
Speaker 2: lot of people start been through Magic City. Oh yeah,

512
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 2: it's a part of the economy. Oh yeah, really in

513
00:23:59,480 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 2: their culture.

514
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 4: You know.

515
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 2: But did the league do the right thing? I guess

516
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 2: based on like listening to your fans and understanding your

517
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 2: brand and of that nature, they didn't want to catch

518
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 2: a black eye on this, even though it's one franchise.

519
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 2: It wasn't like it was league, Why we're gonna do

520
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 2: this league?

521
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:23,120
Speaker 5: Why this is one team who embraces that culture.

522
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,479
Speaker 2: And the protests and the crowd noise got too heavy,

523
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 2: and so they decided to do what was best, No,

524
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 2: not for Atlanta, but for the league as a whole.

525
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 2: And so it's fine, And you know, I just wish

526
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 2: we wouldn't be so hypocritical on certain things we allow

527
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 2: in our and when we try to showcase certain events

528
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 2: at games, they a lot of different things. That's like,

529
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 2: I don't know, this is kind of shaky. I don't know,

530
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,120
Speaker 2: but I'm fine with it.

531
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had no issue with the Magic City Monday Night.

532
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 4: I also don't think it was the wrong decision about

533
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 4: the league. They made decisions where they best saw a

534
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 4: fit of what the responses they got. But honestly, I

535
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,199
Speaker 4: thought it was like a good thing for the like

536
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:09,959
Speaker 4: the city of Atlanta. I thought it was good for

537
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 4: like change it up, get more people excited to go

538
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 4: to games. They are the most five hundred team in

539
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 4: the world, right, and they have a lot of things

540
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 4: going on in the city where people like, sometimes they

541
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:22,640
Speaker 4: care to be this, sometimes they don't. They have other

542
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 4: things going on, so you actually can drive more people

543
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 4: to come to the arena, which is something like that.

544
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 4: Why not so be it. I mean, we see the

545
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 4: wildest should in the airports, we see the wilds shit

546
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 4: all around the city gas stations. I'm pretty sure the

547
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 4: arena is probably the most clean cut they've seen. And

548
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 4: even if they did a Magic City money, I don't

549
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 4: see it turning into Magic City.

550
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, And that's what people I think. I guess

551
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,120
Speaker 1: that's what people were kind of bucking up against. It's

552
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 1: not like the.

553
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 3: Hawks around like strip of poles and lap dances at

554
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 3: the games. Like, I don't think that's what they were

555
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 3: presenting this. I think it was just like a cheeky

556
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 3: whatever the thing. But at the same time, I think

557
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,679
Speaker 3: when you have business partners, there needs to be some

558
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,199
Speaker 3: level of consideration where it's just like, look, man, for

559
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 3: the overall business of what we do, this is the

560
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 3: kind of contradiction we don't want to take on and again,

561
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 3: and I talked about it when we when this first

562
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 3: came up.

563
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 1: You know, there's like defense weapons.

564
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:24,880
Speaker 3: Manufacturers and like companies that literally they make the bombs

565
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 3: that they rain on freaking babies, you know, abroad as

566
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 3: part of our military structure, right, And you're like, all right,

567
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 3: titties bombing babies.

568
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 4: Like fies ever killed anybody.

569
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: At the sight.

570
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 2: But you know, you know what the funny part about

571
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 2: all this, And I know into the NBA is its

572
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 2: own you know, its own business, and but we forget

573
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 2: like it's an entertainment business. The NBA is an inner

574
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 2: entertaining business. When you read it between the fine lines

575
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 2: and this is nothing but entertainment. But as Americans, we

576
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 2: glorify now all these kids and like you said, do

577
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 2: we want our kid to go say hey, it's okay

578
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 2: to get on the poll. But at the same time,

579
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 2: look what we glorify on social media, women shaking the

580
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 2: ass and women get paid for that.

581
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 5: Now now now there's like prostitution.

582
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 2: Only it's like it's like our whole culture and our

583
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 2: whole the Americans, we we we've become, we become like

584
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 2: a social media prostitution ring.

585
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 1: Just what it seems like.

586
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 2: And I know it's not the NBA, but this is

587
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,959
Speaker 2: American culture now that we see. And it's like, you know,

588
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 2: if this one day, now, what was the day gonna

589
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 2: be about in Atlanta?

590
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 5: Was it gonna be like, what y'all gonna have the

591
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 5: girls on the court shaking ass or something? Or what

592
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 5: was that day gonna be What was that gonna look like?

593
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 2: You know, was it just an honoring that or was

594
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 2: just a giveaway the wings?

595
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 5: Or what was that gonna look like? I get it.

596
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 2: If it was gonna look like you are going to

597
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 2: have a strip club of sixteen thousand people in the stands,

598
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 2: all right, I get it. That doesn't look good with

599
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 2: the children. But if it was just an honor of

600
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 2: what this community has been all.

601
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 5: About culturally, Magic City.

602
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 2: It's an adult entertainment's what's just like, what's this alcohol?

603
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 5: It's an adult beverage?

604
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 6: A club?

605
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 5: I mean, come on, certain things are just for adults. Yeah.

606
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 3: I again, like I said, I would have if I

607
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 3: lived in Atlanta and I heard about Magic City Night,

608
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 3: I could see myself trying to show up.

609
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: I could see myself getting a hoodie.

610
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 3: I couldn't seen myself participating in a lot of this stuff.

611
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 3: But again with the corporate considerations, because we see corporations

612
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 3: just kind of punk out on so many things all

613
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 3: the time, Like this doesn't even rise to the level

614
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 3: of punking out that we've seen from corporations in the past.

615
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: Like the League is just behaving like a.

616
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,479
Speaker 3: Corporate entity with a bunch of corporate partners who they

617
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 3: probably fielded, like pauls, a bunch of calls, a bunch

618
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 3: of outside noise.

619
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 5: And I tell you half of them upstairs.

620
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 2: I've been to one of those adults entertainmenttablish.

621
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 3: Of course, come on, now, Park Avenue, the League offices,

622
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 3: Come on, man, we know that y'all have been to

623
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 3: Scores before Scores even opening New York.

624
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 2: It makes me wonder if it was a different top

625
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 2: of the adult entertainment.

626
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: You're saying, if it was more of a white or more.

627
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 2: Of a coat and collar, got you type of environment

628
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: with that gentleman's type of deal.

629
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,479
Speaker 6: What they promoted that allowed, allowed, be allowed.

630
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder Againstchouston, lou cordnett Man, he's he made

631
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 3: a stink and he got his way. Man, This's gotta

632
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 3: be some backdoor way that the Hawks because because I

633
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 3: know people are gonna people are gonna want that merch

634
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 3: now because of the infamy around the event.

635
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:06,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, facts, facts, all right.

636
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 3: Speaking of double standards, guys, Pat Bev, fellow NBA podcaster,

637
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 3: former player podcaster, called out NBA fans for their double

638
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 3: standard that they seem to have for Victor Winbin Yama

639
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 3: versus him. People clowned him. This would have been like

640
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one or so for showing emotion after play

641
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 3: and Winver in Minnesota when if you guys will recall

642
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 3: Pat Bev jumped on the Scores tay through to his jersey,

643
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 3: got emotional cry. And you know, if we've all seen

644
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 3: the like that song, and then that song plays and

645
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 3: then they show Pat Bevy doing it when it's like

646
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 3: people want to mean people doing too much or overreacting.

647
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: But Pat Bev says, y'all all praised, won't be.

648
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 3: When he cried the other night from his twenty five

649
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 3: point Clipper come back. Okay, that's called love for the game.

650
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 3: Y'all be moving the goal posts. According to Pat Bev,

651
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 3: what say you, Danny.

652
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 4: I mean they do move the goal posts depending on

653
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 4: who it is. Shout out to Pat. Get the charges drop?

654
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 4: Good for him. I'm glad things are going to the

655
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 4: better direction for him. When you be seeing the documentary

656
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 4: or not, what happened with the doc you have? Y'all

657
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 4: don't know what's going on with Pat? No what he

658
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 4: was recently arrested a couple months ago.

659
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: Oh the Texas thing.

660
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 4: Choking sister. Yeah, I don't know that that was in Texas.

661
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 4: I didn't know where that was at. Anyway, he released

662
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 4: like a four minute vlog. People show up the flog

663
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 4: of what happened that night, and they guess the charges

664
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 4: were dropped because he had been away from the pod

665
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 4: for a while. They putting him back up or not

666
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 4: good fame. But yeah, charges were dropped, so he's supposedly

667
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 4: in the clear, So I'm glad he's actually talking on

668
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 4: social media.

669
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: Now.

670
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 4: Y also poked that trade young after the trade like

671
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 4: two months later, so he's still he's still being petty.

672
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 4: But yeah, I think, I mean, I don't know, man,

673
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 4: do you see it? I mean, Wenby is what nineteen

674
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 4: twenty twenty one.

675
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 3: I think the thing with Pat Bev is that Pat

676
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 3: Bev has a reputation for antics. Yeah, and I think

677
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 3: that's what NBA fans are reacting to Victor does. It

678
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 3: hasn't built up a reputation for being slightly ridiculous on

679
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 3: the court. Like I don't know if you guys remember

680
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 3: Pat Bev was on the Lakers, then he got traded

681
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 3: or waved, whoever the case was. He comes back into

682
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 3: town with his new team, scores and lay up on

683
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:42,239
Speaker 3: Lebron and he does this.

684
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 6: Yeah he doesn't, he's too he does. This is big

685
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 6: for sure.

686
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 4: But the biggest thing for me is, like the only

687
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 4: difference to me is people see is because they look

688
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 4: at Wenby as a kid. What I'm saying not saying

689
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 4: that it should be okay to show emotions regardless of

690
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 4: age and sports. But you know, when they look at

691
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 4: pat as a playing game, and I guess the celebration

692
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 4: of it, like Wenby didn't celebrate it as much.

693
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 6: He was just emotional.

694
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 4: He didn't jump on the scores hit like but I mean,

695
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 4: I guess there was a little bit of goalpost moving

696
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 4: when you think about it.

697
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: But what do you think.

698
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 3: About showing emotions during games, maybe wins or losses, Paul,

699
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 3: Because I remember, you know, Chris Brown in twenty Chris Brown,

700
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 3: Chris Bosh in twenty eleven, after they lost the finals,

701
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 3: they would show that clip of him crying over and over.

702
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 3: I watched that on esp and a bunch of times,

703
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 3: and people clown Chris Bosh for that for essentially for caring.

704
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 3: You know, what do you think about that?

705
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 2: I think the guys who showed this type of emotion

706
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 2: are the ones that you don't know what they put

707
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 2: into it. And when they go through something and they

708
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 2: overcome like a hurdle, sometimes that comes out, you know,

709
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 2: like maybe Winby hasn't been in a situation this type

710
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 2: of win. That was one of the more gutsiest wins

711
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 2: of the season because it was on the back to back.

712
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 5: Down twenty five.

713
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,439
Speaker 2: That could have packed it in and he's like, WHOA,

714
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 2: I probably never been nothing a part of that before,

715
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 2: you know in the NBA to where that's something that hey,

716
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 2: that can that can that we know who we are,

717
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 2: we know that this can show up again. So no

718
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 2: matter what, if we get down twenty five, I feel

719
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 2: like we can do it again because he's probably never

720
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 2: done that.

721
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 5: And in the case with Pat, it just shows the

722
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 5: work because.

723
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 2: When I cried after a game, all the the work

724
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 2: that I put in comes out because people don't see

725
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 2: that part. People don't see me running up sand hills, falling, cutting,

726
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 2: scraping my knee, uh you know, running running the track,

727
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 2: same things, turning my ankle, recovering, rehabit all of this,

728
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 2: all of this stuff when and in some games, you

729
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 2: gotta dig deep and you figure out more about yourself

730
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 2: when you get in these type of situations, and sometimes

731
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 2: that emotions comes out. You know, I've seen Kevin Garnett

732
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 2: cry in an interview. I've seen Alan iverson and we

733
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 2: know how passionate those guys are about the game. Only

734
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 2: the guys who who showed the most I think put

735
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,439
Speaker 2: in the work and the passion. You see it though,

736
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 2: how they celebrate because it's the same on the other end,

737
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 2: you know, and it's like damn, and then the joy

738
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 2: of tears sometimes come out, or the sadness of the

739
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 2: tears come out like in some case.

740
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 5: But that just shows you how invested they really are.

741
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 6: YEA.

742
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 4: With Pat, I think it was more so because it

743
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 4: was his old team, Like he made a point that

744
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 4: they you know, I guess they traded him. It was

745
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 4: against the Clippers, right, That's why I think he was

746
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,720
Speaker 4: that emotional. Yeah, But yeah, I think to your point

747
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 4: is more so because everybody sees him as a guy

748
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 4: that does a lot of antics and he likes the attention.

749
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 4: But the point it's like, yo, he building a lot

750
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 4: of work, He put a lot to that organization, and

751
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 4: he felt like they disrespected him, and he got the

752
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 4: moment to where he can kind of, you know, send

753
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 4: them home.

754
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 1: You know.

755
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 6: It was a big moment for him, even though it's

756
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 6: playing game people.

757
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: To me, it's not.

758
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 3: I think I'm like, I don't often find myself on

759
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 3: the same side of arguments as Pat BEV, but I'm

760
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 3: completely with him on this, Like this idea that you

761
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 3: would ras a guy because he gives a damn about

762
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 3: what he does professionally, what he's dedicated his entire life to,

763
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 3: like one percent agree. And then on the other side

764
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 3: of that, when you hear criticisms of the NBA and

765
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 3: their product and you know, different things, the biggest criticism

766
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,240
Speaker 3: is like, oh, it doesn't matter.

767
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: The regular season doesn't matter, These games don't matter.

768
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 3: Like it feels like I'm like, why would I watch

769
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 3: it if it doesn't mean anything, Whereas like these moments

770
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 3: they're showing, you know, their stakes, it matters.

771
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: That's why these guys are getting.

772
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 3: So emotional and and I love that, And I would

773
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 3: argue like something like March madness. I think one of

774
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 3: the things that people the public has responded to every

775
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 3: single year why they care is because a lot of

776
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 3: these kids be crying after they lose the game. Bro,

777
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 3: you know, the fans in the crowd crying Like people

778
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 3: feel like there's.

779
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,240
Speaker 1: Some emotional investment in the thing that they're watching.

780
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 3: So to me, it can only be good that these

781
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 3: guys are emotional about the outcomes of the game because

782
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 3: it shows how much they give a fuck, which I

783
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,720
Speaker 3: think is what fans care about the most.

784
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 6: To be honest, he's not wrong, all right.

785
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 3: Man, Moving on to Luka Doncic and just he's having

786
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 3: I think there was a point last year, maybe two

787
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 3: years ago where people thought Luca was turning the corner

788
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 3: with the ref bitching and just doing just always crying

789
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,240
Speaker 3: to like always constantly crying. Well, he's been fining fifty

790
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 3: thousand dollars for doing the money gesture, the universal worldwide.

791
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: We all know what this means when.

792
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 3: You do this, the money gesture towards the referee, meaning

793
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 3: he's suggesting that refs.

794
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: Are doing calls because they got money on stuff.

795
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 6: Yeah, I never understood what it suggesting.

796
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 4: I've seen Rudy Rudy Gobert, like he's the one that

797
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 4: got in trouble for it multiple times. Is this like no, exactly.

798
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 4: It might be a European thing either way.

799
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys saw this.

800
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 3: Like there's like some guys that put money on cal

801
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,720
Speaker 3: sheet that we was gonna bomb a Ran and people

802
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 3: are saying those are like government officials who had the

803
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 3: information first and.

804
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: Just quickly place bets. Yeah, I think that's what lucas trying.

805
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 3: To insinuate here, that like the refs are doing calls

806
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 3: because they put money on stuff, and I think that's

807
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 3: toxic to be honest, because you didn't get a fucking call.

808
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 6: Bro. Yeah, I get it. But to me, like.

809
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 4: This is a very small gesture when it comes to like,

810
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 4: I don't know, I just don't see it that that judgmental.

811
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 3: I mean, but he's impunity integrity of the game though

812
00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:01,240
Speaker 3: he's saying that the refs are corrupt. Yeah, they're cheating.

813
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,280
Speaker 3: You're calling it a question the integrity of the outcome.

814
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 4: I think every complaint is saying the rest of cheating. No,

815
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 4: no cheating me.

816
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 6: No.

817
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 1: There's a difference between you're not good at your job,

818
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: which sucks. Nobody wants to see that.

819
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 3: I think people want to see reps be good at

820
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 3: what they do yea, and no, you're sabotaging us for

821
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 3: your own gain.

822
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: I think there's a.

823
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 4: Difference in maybe so say I put a lump at all. Listen,

824
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:32,439
Speaker 4: I'm complaining you're sabotaging me and us, you're cheating us. Yeah,

825
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 4: every complaint is it's just another complaint to me. To me,

826
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 4: it's a small it's a gesture. But they're just like, oh,

827
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 4: they just want to you know, obsolete. This gesture because

828
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 4: it's like it's kind of like the you know, the

829
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 4: next thing. But I'm like, that's not as I don't know.

830
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 4: To me, it's just not that big of a deal.

831
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 4: I don't know why we making it such.

832
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:48,439
Speaker 6: A big deal.

833
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 5: Fifty thousand, it's a lot of money.

834
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 6: You took it.

835
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 4: You fell on the ground like this, that's a fifty

836
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 4: thousand dollars. Like, bro, like, at least get a real

837
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 4: this is the thing about guys get less for chest

838
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 4: bumping a ref or elbow and the ref again.

839
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 2: But he's developed the relationsship with the refs sort of

840
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 2: like certain players around the league that you don't have.

841
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 5: Sometimes you get to the no tolerance, like like Draymond.

842
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 2: It's just like, you know, the refs are tired of

843
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 2: Luca Donkers because it's like after every there's some type of.

844
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 5: Gesture, after every this, all of this and this, and.

845
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 2: So they just get tired of it. And then you know,

846
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,479
Speaker 2: you go, now this, now you come up with something else.

847
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 2: It's like, if it was anybody else not Luca at

848
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 2: this point, it probably wouldn't have happened. But since he's

849
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:46,760
Speaker 2: just known to be a guy.

850
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 6: Who's just seriously constantly.

851
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 5: Just on the refs gestures and all. I mean, it's just.

852
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 4: I'm with you, and I know referees going with the

853
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 4: tar like they're going to game plan so they know

854
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 4: who is like gonna be a complainer, who who you're

855
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 4: not gonna take something from, like who to look out for,

856
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 4: and he's not helping his case. But I still think

857
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 4: this is like a like I don't know when the

858
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 4: league made this like this.

859
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 3: Look, man, I think if you're Adam and it was

860
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 3: your you pioneered gambling and professional sports being partnered, you

861
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 3: can't be seen to have your players And this is

862
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 3: a conversation, like we know, this is a conversation that's

863
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 3: been and it's been happening, especially with the NBA before

864
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 3: gambling became such a big part people on the internet

865
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 3: being like, oh Vegas put the call in or blah

866
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 3: blah blah. Then of course there was the Donahute scandal

867
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 3: and all of that. Like, if you're Adam, you can't

868
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 3: be seen to be letting it just flippantly, just like

869
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,240
Speaker 3: whatever that a guy is accusing your reps of cheating,

870
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 3: like you just like to me, you have to come

871
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 3: down on that cause again, I think somebody's saying a

872
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 3: guy sucks, and somebody's saying the guy's deliberately ruining the

873
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 3: integrity of this outcome. This is a fake game, like

874
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 3: this money that you paid, the investment that you have

875
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 3: watching is fake. The outcome is predetermined because this ref

876
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 3: is cheating. Like, I think that's you gotta step in

877
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:22,240
Speaker 3: and be like stop.

878
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 4: I mean, I hear you, man, I don't know. That's

879
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 4: a lot to interpret over one sick like just one signal. Oh,

880
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 4: everybody's fucking cheat, like they're all gambling. I think he's

881
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 4: just like he talked shit. He talks shit to everybody

882
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 4: that's playing. He talks shit to the refs. Again, I

883
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 4: had a conversation with about it. I'm sure there's places where

884
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 4: you complained more than other places you did. In Boston,

885
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 4: you probably felt like y'all got the short end of

886
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 4: the stick. Did you feel like when at night and

887
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 4: the night out most nights, did you feel like the

888
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 4: referees or against you? And you probably have more of

889
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 4: your complaints then than when you were in Brooklyn or

890
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 4: you know, I.

891
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 5: Feel like I got a lot of calls.

892
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,919
Speaker 2: You know, was routinely one of the top free throw

893
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 2: attempt players in the league. I wasn't too big on complaining,

894
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 2: but if it was something I would I.

895
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 6: Mean, I mean I noticed certain certain situations.

896
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 4: I know, we I didn't get a lot of Like defensively,

897
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 4: I was getting like certain nights couldn't play.

898
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 2: It would be certain nights you'd be like, hold on

899
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 2: referees is up, like like what the hell?

900
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 1: Yeah? And then there's like refs that you know, it's

901
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 1: documented that they got issues with guys like Chris Paul and.

902
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,439
Speaker 6: Scott certain referees you knew for sure.

903
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 4: But even certain places for me, like in l A,

904
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 4: I knew I noticed that I had done more my

905
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 4: complaining there and it was like maybe it's because my

906
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 4: atmosphere as well, but I.

907
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 6: Knew like you felt like I felt like, damn bro.

908
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 4: We would like there's a lot of ship, like why

909
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 4: every night we got deal with the bullshit? You know

910
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 4: Philly something too in Philly, but like in San Antonio,

911
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 4: didn't get I didn't. It wasn't maybe also popping in

912
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 4: a lot of ship, but it was not as many complaints.

913
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 4: We didn't get hosed in Toronto. It was some some

914
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 4: games like it was pretty bad, like but I still

915
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 4: in my environment, we didn't complain as much. But La

916
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 4: it was like, damn, it was like a magnifying glass

917
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 4: and everything we did and everybody was just on our

918
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 4: ass about everything.

919
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: Guys gotta look again, man, these guys want to win.

920
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 3: Guys are playing their asses off. You're gonna complain, but

921
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 3: I think this definitely crosses a certain threshold of the complaining,

922
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 3: you know.

923
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 4: Fifty thousand steep though it was a small mind you

924
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 4: It wasn't like he was like jumped up, show out

925
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 4: the like he was on the ground like little you

926
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. Like you had to like watch

927
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 4: the replay to catch that ship, you know what I'm saying,

928
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 4: like motion, you barely would catch that right, right? But

929
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 4: what was the next time they say Luca's dating somebody?

930
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 4: Is that's going on now? Is that real?

931
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 3: Uh?

932
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 6: He just had a baby.

933
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 3: Well he's done with his fiance apparently, which you know,

934
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 3: what are we talking about Luca?

935
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 4: So speaking of Luca from the the Fine Money gesture,

936
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 4: he he I think he has too with his feeling

937
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 4: said right or something like that, he just had a baby.

938
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 4: He went and flew right before the Philly game. Earlier

939
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 4: in the year, to go see his baby be born.

940
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 4: Remember we talked about Draymond, Yeah, and situation where he

941
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 4: was working and Luca went to Slovania. Yeah, and then

942
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 4: I guess since then, I don't know. If they had

943
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 4: not been dating, Moore removed social media pictures of each other, wouldn't.

944
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 3: Wouldn't be the first engagement that got broken up in

945
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 3: that very quick So and now they're saying he's dating

946
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 3: an actress. This hasn't been confirmed by any of the parties.

947
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 3: Madeline Klein, I've only seen her in one thing.

948
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 6: I've seen her in, like Out of Banks.

949
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: I never watched that.

950
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 6: I think it was Knoves Out Out, Knives Out.

951
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:45,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was in Knives Out. She's good, She's real good.

952
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 3: There's a talent, you know what I mean, a lot

953
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 3: of talent. Man, Scott's the limit for this young woman.

954
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: And your career.

955
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 6: Good for him.

956
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: So, yeah, shout out to Luca if that's true.

957
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 3: If not, I'm sure you know in La is going

958
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 3: to open up for him in ways that you know,

959
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 3: we probably couldn't even imagine. All Right, So it's time

960
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 3: for us to stand on business man and more Laker.

961
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:22,439
Speaker 3: I just love Laker and Kobe Lore because I feel

962
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 3: like the stories we get out of Kobe are of

963
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:32,720
Speaker 3: two varieties. Kobe worked his ass off tirelessly. He would

964
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 3: not take failure as an option. He wouldn't leave no

965
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 3: stone unturned to improve himself in there for improving his team. Also,

966
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 3: Kobe is a maniac asshole, not great fun coworkers. Those

967
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 3: are the two variety of Kobe stories that we get.

968
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 3: Our latest one is Jeremy Lynn.

969
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: Okay. He says Kobe stopped talking in for a five.

970
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 3: While they were teammates on the Lakers, after then confronted

971
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 3: Kobe about his leadership style, hoping to be treated with

972
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 3: quote more respect as a man to make him better

973
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 3: as a player.

974
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: This is Jeremy Lynn here. Let's play the sound he was.

975
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: He was upset at me.

976
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 7: Over something that I was actually trying to do, but

977
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 7: the coach was telling me not to do it, and so.

978
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: He was like no, no, like, don't foul him. I

979
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: was like, no, we got foul them, right, So COBE's like, faulum.

980
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 7: I was like, I know, I'm trying to, but I'm

981
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 7: telling the coach and the coach telling me don't foul.

982
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: So then I'm like, I don't know what to do.

983
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 7: So it ended up being something where he had he

984
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 7: had given me really bad body language. So I texted him,

985
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 7: this is and we couldn't like me and him like

986
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 7: when we would lose, we'd be up at like three

987
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 7: four in the morning, just not able to sleep, just

988
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 7: very competitive. So I texted him and I was like, hey, man,

989
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 7: like I really don't appreciate the body language, and and

990
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 7: and so and he and he, you know. He came

991
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 7: back with a sharp response and then I went back

992
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 7: at him, but my but it ended it ended cordial

993
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 7: where I ended up saying, I was like, I'm not

994
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 7: saying that you can't teach me. You're obviously like a

995
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 7: hundred times the player I am.

996
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: I want to learn anything and everything I can for you.

997
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 7: I'm just asking can you just say you know and

998
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 7: do it in a way that's like respectful to me

999
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 7: as a man?

1000
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 5: Right, yes?

1001
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 7: And so he was like, all right, I got you,

1002
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,240
Speaker 7: and then he sent over a text with with some advice.

1003
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 1: He's like, let's start with this.

1004
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 6: I was like, I got you. I'm gonna be focused

1005
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 6: on that.

1006
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 7: I'mna be working on this and thinking on this of

1007
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 7: exactly what you're saying I'm just trying to get better.

1008
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 1: I'm trying to help this team more. We didn't speak for.

1009
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 5: The next.

1010
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,439
Speaker 7: Challenging him, and I wasn't challenging him like I'm better

1011
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 7: than you and I'm smart. I was only challenging him like, hey,

1012
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 7: can you teach me in a way that's a little

1013
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 7: bit more effective for me to process? It's not versus

1014
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 7: not like talking down to me.

1015
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 1: If you yelled at me and you're like, yo, what

1016
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 1: did you do?

1017
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 7: And get your head out your ass, like lock in

1018
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 7: so we can win this game. Like it's like I

1019
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 7: believe you believe that if I lock in, we're gonna

1020
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 7: win this game because you believe in who I am. Right,

1021
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 7: But if you're just talking down to me, yelling at me,

1022
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 7: talking down to me like.

1023
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that he I mean, you know, it's

1024
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 4: a shift in the you know the errors. Hold on,

1025
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 4: that's error.

1026
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 3: Let's just assume we can assume the language that Kobe use.

1027
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, yeah, dumb ass, stop being a bitch, like

1028
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 3: we know what he probably said, Like is it really sensitive.

1029
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 6: To be like bro, like, Yo, I'm grown man.

1030
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 3: Grown man, Like we can talk about my mistakes without

1031
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 3: that part of it.

1032
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 4: I think that could have been better said via face

1033
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 4: in text. But again, every person knows who they're dealing with, right,

1034
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 4: Certain people you react to differently in others, And I

1035
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:11,879
Speaker 4: think Cob like you know, with him, I'm not saying

1036
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 4: handle it correctly, but that's how he saw a fit

1037
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 4: to handle it and didn't really care to respect him.

1038
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:17,439
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying.

1039
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 4: I think other people might demand respecting a different way.

1040
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:21,839
Speaker 4: It might not have to because of who they are

1041
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 4: and their reputation when it comes to dealing with certain people.

1042
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. Would Ron our task get

1043
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 6: that that type of talk?

1044
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: Probably not.

1045
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 6: Would he even have to have that conversation.

1046
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 4: But I think there's there that choked the shut out

1047
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:40,760
Speaker 4: shit you talk to him like that.

1048
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 3: Is that is that part where it's just like do

1049
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 3: I really want to get into a fist fight?

1050
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 6: So he would approach him different and saying it's like, yo.

1051
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:53,800
Speaker 3: If we're to believe Kobe and his myth like because Ron.

1052
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: Is the way, It's like, I don't even need to talk.

1053
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,760
Speaker 1: I know Ron is. He's killing himself.

1054
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,800
Speaker 4: Maybe n makes mistakes, just like Germany. He gonna do

1055
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 4: some dumb shit too sometimes everybody's done some dumb shit before.

1056
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's just and all Jay lenn Is. But

1057
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 4: the way he's making it sound, the way he's asking

1058
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:11,919
Speaker 4: it sounded sensitive and soft because he's just that type

1059
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,720
Speaker 4: of person. What I'm saying, you look at him Asian

1060
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:18,959
Speaker 4: American like you look like the younger general. But again,

1061
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 4: if it was Lamar Oldham or somebody like Yo Coche,

1062
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 4: you could talk like, listen, bro we grow him in here. Again,

1063
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 4: I think that would have came off differently if he

1064
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 4: talked to him in person.

1065
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: What do you think about the language policing.

1066
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 5: That's how I look at it.

1067
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 2: I need knowing how competitive one of the great competitors

1068
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 2: in all the sports ever knowing Kobe like, sometimes stuff

1069
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 2: is gonna come out a certain way to where you're

1070
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 2: not gonna like it. But at the same time, this

1071
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 2: is what made him who he is. This is what

1072
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 2: made him a winner.

1073
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 5: Alla.

1074
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 2: Same with Michael Jordan. Now you come into his kingdom.

1075
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 2: This is my kingdom, right, and our kingdom has been successful.

1076
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 2: Now you come strolling in the town and you want

1077
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 2: me to adjust to you when our kingdom has been

1078
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 2: running a certain way is what works? Now you out

1079
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 2: of all the people here. No, you adjust to what's

1080
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 2: going on in this kingdom, whether you like it or not,

1081
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 2: because this is what the culture is here and this

1082
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 2: is what's enabled us to be one of the best franchises.

1083
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 2: Can't moving forward with him leading the kingdom, So you know,

1084
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 2: and maybe sometimes it will get disrespectful. Yeah, then you adjust.

1085
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jalen's gotta understand you got coming from a Jeremy.

1086
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 4: It's not coming from a bad place. It's like, yeah,

1087
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 4: you gotta understand who he is, Like all right, certain

1088
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 4: people you gotta know, like, all right, that's just who

1089
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 4: they are.

1090
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 6: That's how they're gonna be.

1091
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 4: And it's okay for you to snap back too, so

1092
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 4: he might give respect from me at that point.

1093
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 5: Almost to stand up. You gotta stand the.

1094
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 4: Text ain't snapping back what I'm saying. So in the

1095
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 4: moment you gotta be like, yo, check it then and

1096
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 4: then move on from it. Then y'all be cool. But

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00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 4: Kobe gonna do what he do all right times you

1098
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 4: take it.

1099
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 2: There's no way I can go five months without talking

1100
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 2: to our best players in the rotation. That's not start,

1101
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 2: Like how does that even happen? Like, now we're gonna

1102
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 2: have to stand like this second, and it's standing on business. Now,

1103
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 2: I gotta stand on bsiness, Like, let's go into this room, bro, like,

1104
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 2: can we just holler? Man, the man look at you.

1105
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 2: Gotta look him in the eye and be like, look,

1106
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 2: let's just holler real quick. And whatever come from that,

1107
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 2: so be it. But if we still got to play together,

1108
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 2: we still got to share the ball. And now by

1109
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 2: me hearing that conversation, I see why Jeremy Lynn kind.

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00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 5: Of waved them off.

1111
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

1112
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 2: And then clips where they showed Jeremy man like get

1113
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 2: out the way Kobe or like just trying to go

1114
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 2: into his one two and Kobe right here with the

1115
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 2: game on the line.

1116
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 5: I see. You know that that affected them on the court.

1117
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 3: So look, man, I'm somebody's the older I get, the

1118
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 3: more annoyed I get by young people and the constant

1119
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:48,280
Speaker 3: complaining about communication and language policing and all of that stuff.

1120
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 1: At the same time, I.

1121
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 3: Get annoyed at the idea that the only way to

1122
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:55,280
Speaker 3: be a great leader is to be a complete asshole

1123
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 3: to everybody that's around you.

1124
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 1: I just don't believe that. I'm like you played with

1125
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: Tim duncan. Was he just dreaming guys out and calling

1126
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 1: people trash?

1127
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 6: There's more effective ways, you know what.

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00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 2: I mean, different styles of leadership. It's not a blueprint

1129
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 2: or leadership. It doesn't say you have to talk talk

1130
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:14,320
Speaker 2: yeo Yale.

1131
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:18,840
Speaker 4: Dude's part of coaching and he being the leader is

1132
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 4: knowing your personnel, knowing how certain guys react to certain things.

1133
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 4: How do I get the best out of this guy?

1134
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 4: This guy may not react the same way. Is this

1135
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 4: guy to me cussing him out? This guy might need

1136
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 4: a little different So that's also part of leadership. But

1137
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:31,800
Speaker 4: some of the old schoolers didn't. Again, they don't have

1138
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 4: to adjust, like that's just that's a change in errors

1139
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 4: o school. This is how I am. You adjusted, you better.

1140
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:38,720
Speaker 4: If you can't fuck with it, you gotta go somewhere else.

1141
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 3: Right, And I respect what Paul is saying in the

1142
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 3: sense that like, look, man, like you're our best player.

1143
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 1: You're who you are.

1144
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,879
Speaker 3: It's my job as the younger guy, as the kind

1145
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,959
Speaker 3: of the disciple, to be like, yo, let's make this work,

1146
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,879
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, instead of being like, all right,

1147
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 3: Kobe's being how he is and.

1148
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 1: I'm just not gonna stand for it. I underst staying.

1149
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 3: All of the angles, you know what I mean, because

1150
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 3: again I can understand rejecting the idea that like, in

1151
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:09,320
Speaker 3: order for me to be great, I need to subject

1152
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 3: myself to verbal abuse, like I don't know, you know

1153
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 3: what I'm.

1154
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 4: Saying again, that's just the old school way how it was.

1155
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:19,839
Speaker 4: Bro We always verbal abuse coaches, in fact, teammates, Like,

1156
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 4: that's just how it was. What I'm saying again every

1157
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 4: level it's changed over the last ten years or so.

1158
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 4: But that's how you know what I'm saying, That's how

1159
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 4: cold I've.

1160
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:31,919
Speaker 3: Heard of coach tell me some version of stop being

1161
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 3: a pussy.

1162
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: Brouh like stop being a bitch.

1163
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 6: That's how Cob.

1164
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 5: Treated that I would imagine.

1165
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 4: But that's how Cob was brought into the league. That's

1166
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 4: how he was treated, and he adapted and adjustm If

1167
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 4: you can't adapt and adjust that you looked at us off.

1168
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 4: You gotta be have mental toughness, be able to handle

1169
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 4: that from your coaches and your teammates. I'm saying, able

1170
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 4: to also give give back some of that what I'm saying,

1171
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 4: like figure it out and how to be what I'm

1172
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:00,320
Speaker 4: saying on the fly, and success.

1173
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 3: I remember to two distinct interactions in high school hooping,

1174
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 3: because our coaches in high school were just like people

1175
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 3: wouldn't believe the type of ship.

1176
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 1: That guys would say.

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00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 3: One time was one time we were like, we were

1178
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 3: meeting before practice with one of our assistant coaches, and like,

1179
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 3: one of my teammates had a habit of hanging out

1180
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 3: with his girl the whole hour and a half after.

1181
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 1: School before between practice. Every day he did this, and

1182
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: I guess our coach drove up. He saw him, and I.

1183
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,959
Speaker 3: Think we had had a bad game or bad practice before,

1184
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 3: and he was like, you, you know what your problem is?

1185
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 3: You always with your bitch all the time. And he said, coach,

1186
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 3: he's not a bitch. I was just like, oh my god,

1187
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:48,359
Speaker 3: this is crazy. I'm like, yo, I don't think our

1188
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 3: coach should be calling our girlfriends.

1189
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 1: He be doing too much with his girl. Dang, how

1190
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:58,240
Speaker 1: can you do too much with your girl? High school?

1191
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: Your girl high school? Ain't well?

1192
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 2: Like if the coach said, hey, instead of hanging with her,

1193
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 2: I don't have before get some shots up, say something

1194
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 2: like that.

1195
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 4: You two girlfriend driven At this point in you're like

1196
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 4: you're seventeen years old.

1197
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:11,439
Speaker 6: Sixteen seventy years.

1198
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 5: I'm not really mad at that because you can be

1199
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,840
Speaker 5: doing a whole lot of different sure, but bru, you

1200
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 5: can be doing girl for sure.

1201
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: I think I think, I think the coach.

1202
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 3: I think to him it just felt like nobody should

1203
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 3: be that into their girl.

1204
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 4: I think that was at that time, and you should be.

1205
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 4: If you like sports, you should be in sports whatever.

1206
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 3: He shouldn't have called the lady a bitch time. We're

1207
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 3: losing that halftime to like the school that probably.

1208
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 1: We hate the most, and and.

1209
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 3: Our coach said, holy Cross had you guys with your

1210
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 3: pants at your ankles.

1211
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 1: And I was just like, this is that's.

1212
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 6: Crazy, it's actually it's actually PG. Actually that's pretty PG.

1213
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 3: What I've heard nowadays, you can't you can't really talk

1214
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 3: to young people like that.

1215
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 1: You know, sh it goes off the rails. And so,

1216
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: you know, shots of Jalen for being vulnerable doing.

1217
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 4: Yeah talking, you know, you know what I'm saying, through

1218
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 4: his issues, you know, good for him. He knows how

1219
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 4: to express himself in different ways and not afraid to anyway.

1220
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 5: Who Jaylen, okay, Jayleen, okay.

1221
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: All right, let's get out of here.

1222
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 3: Man on some finally some good news coming out of Orlando. Yeah,

1223
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 3: the Magic are winners of seven out of the last ten,

1224
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 3: and Paolo Bonciero specifically has really been stepping it up

1225
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 3: many They're in the sixth seed, which I think is

1226
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 3: still disappointing for what the Magic their expectation was going

1227
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 3: into the season. But you know, it seems like they're

1228
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 3: rounding in the shape. I think it's a big deal

1229
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 3: that Jalen Suggs.

1230
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: Is playing a little bit more consistently, and he's so

1231
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 1: big for what they do just generally.

1232
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 3: But Paolo man, you know, putting up thirty points, thirty five,

1233
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 3: thirty thirty seven every other game, it seems like now

1234
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 3: I think that's a big, big development for them.

1235
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 5: Paul, Yeah, I mean as of lately.

1236
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 2: But on the over off scale, I think this is

1237
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 2: a This has been a disappointing year for Pablo in

1238
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 2: my eyes, because I was expecting him to actually take

1239
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 2: the leap, you know, based on what he did last

1240
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 2: year getting the team to the playoffs. He had such

1241
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 2: a great series versus Boston. I mean, they couldn't stop him.

1242
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 2: I thought, just coming into this year, he'll be a

1243
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 2: first team second team All NBA he's not. He's not

1244
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 2: going to do that. He's he didn't make All Star

1245
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 2: with which is surprising. And you know, he's one of

1246
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 2: the guys that I had high expectations for. I even

1247
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 2: said before the season, I think Orlando will be a

1248
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 2: top four seed coming into the year based on you

1249
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 2: know the accusations. I mean, not the you know, acquiring acquisitions,

1250
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 2: acquiring you know, Desmond Bang the one guy who can

1251
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 2: give him a scoring punch and some shooting, and so

1252
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 2: I'm glad that he's picking it up now. Hopefully he

1253
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 2: can continue his surge into the playoffs, but he has

1254
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 2: to be more consistent for this team to reach the

1255
00:59:58,960 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 2: next level.

1256
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 6: I fuck with what they got going on.

1257
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 4: Dez is finding his rhythm, uh, desim Bane for those

1258
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 4: that don't know, Polo is finally like putting up some

1259
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 4: All Star caliber numbers. But as far as it goes

1260
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 4: for them, again, this is an overall season not as

1261
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 4: great as I thought it was gonna be in even

1262
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 4: in the playoffs. I just don't trust them and it

1263
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 4: seems like there's still a disconnect, which there was some

1264
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 4: rumblings between them and Mos and maybe they if they've

1265
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 4: patched them things up maybe things have gotten better.

1266
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 1: I don't think Moses long for this job.

1267
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:31,439
Speaker 6: We'll see, but again, it depends on who they match

1268
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 6: up the first round. They're going home. It looks like

1269
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 6: they're going home.

1270
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, whether it's Knicks, Cleveland, Pistons, any one of those

1271
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 4: teams that have home court advantage, they go home in

1272
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 4: the first round. This was a team that we thought

1273
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 4: should have been or could have been an Eastern Conference finals.

1274
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, but at least the way they played Boston last year.

1275
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 4: At least Eastern Conference finals we thought the start of

1276
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 4: the year. So it be a first round exit. That's disappointing,

1277
01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 4: but I said, I'm glad he's picking it up. I'm

1278
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 4: glad thats found rhythm. Hopefully they get fully healthy, you know,

1279
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 4: front like they need all those guys on deck to

1280
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 4: be able to compete whoever they play in the first round.

1281
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 4: They could upset somebody in the first round. I can

1282
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 4: see that happening to maybe, but outside of that, they're

1283
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 4: not going any further than the second round.

1284
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 1: All right, man, Magic got my attention.

1285
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 3: I'm definitely gonna be paying more attention than what they're

1286
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 3: doing down the stretch because again, the talent is there,

1287
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 3: so it's just a matter of can they put it together?

1288
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:25,720
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