1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: Coming to you from fabulous Las Vegas. The right side 2 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: is the winning side. The late move is the correct move. 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: Sports betting capital of the world. We all know when 4 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: a sharp like me weighs in the lines move, it's 5 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: a party for your ears. This is the buffet with 6 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: Chad and Scooch. I want to buy that guy at buffet. Hello, 7 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 1: Welcome to the buffet with Chad and Scooch. We are 8 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: recording from our brand new Action Network studios at Action 9 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 1: Network HQ here in Manhattan Street between Madison and Park 10 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: Um superside Grenelle sitting next to me. We've got professional microphones. 11 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: Hopefully it sounds better for people. You might hear something 12 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: in the background because we've got nine TVs were putting 13 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: up all over the office. Um. Later on in the show, 14 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: we have Paul Laduca on and we had a massive 15 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: all hands content summit yesterday for the Action Network, the 16 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: first one where all of us were getting together and 17 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: we were all in the new space. Luduca killed it. 18 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: Um in the meeting, had so many good ideas. But 19 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 1: he came in the podcast today. We literally talked about 20 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: everything from him getting arrested at a race track when 21 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: he was twelve years old for making a bet that 22 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: one in fifteen thousand dollars, to being asked to be 23 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: on the Bachelor and what happened with that after he 24 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: was divorced in two thousand six, to like the most 25 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: in depth conversation about baseball and why the Phillies are 26 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: winning and if there's value on the Phillies and why 27 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: he would take like ninety players with a man on 28 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: third and the game on the line before he would 29 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: take gian Carglo stant It was a great in depth 30 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: conversation with Luduca, who's awesome. First up, we're back with 31 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: Bob Scooci from New Orleans representing the Boyd Gaming Books 32 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: in the state of Nevada. Mr Bookmaker Extraordinaire. My friend, 33 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: Bob Scucci, it's been too long, Hey, it really has. Chad. 34 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: Nice to be back on the show with you. That 35 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,839 Speaker 1: was that was like an official Nice to be back 36 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: on the show with you, Chad, that was like, you know, 37 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: you sounded like Bill O'Reilly coming on, Thanks for having 38 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: me today, and uh, honest to god, well listen, we 39 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: missed a couple of weeks because I went on vacation. 40 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: I did my annual r V trip. This one was 41 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: to Oregon, where my best friend Matt convinced me and 42 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:42,519 Speaker 1: my family to go and said the weather would beautiful 43 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 1: and it rained. Um, no joke, it rained every day. Uh. 44 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: We were in the RV basically driving to look for 45 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: sunny places and found um. One place on the coast 46 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: of Oregon. We got six hours of sun that happened 47 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: to be the afternoon. We rented a t V S 48 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: that was it. That's all. That's all you did. Oregon 49 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 1: is one of the most beautiful, untamed wild coasts I've 50 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: ever seen in my entire life. Like, it is stunning 51 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: to look at. Um. It's sad that we only looked 52 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: at it in three minute increments from the side of 53 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 1: rest stops when it seemed like the wind was not 54 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,839 Speaker 1: blowing in fifty and it was only raining straight down 55 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: instead of sideways. But definitely beautiful. I was actually looking 56 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: at some houses uh in Bandon, Oregon and outside of 57 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: Lincoln Lincoln City, Oregon. Uh, it's so nice up there. 58 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: I thought the same thing, and I thought, what a 59 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: great like retirement house to have up there. So Uh, 60 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: I didn't realize it rained as much as you say 61 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: it does, but I know it rains quite a bit. 62 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: But that's good to know. I might reconsider looking at 63 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: looking at those properties. So I'm glad the subject of 64 00:03:55,200 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: your retirement second home came up because the last week 65 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: we missed the podcast because I had to go to 66 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: l A. And I was in l A. You know, 67 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: I flew out on Tuesday. I was there all afternoon 68 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: Tuesday and meetings and stuff, and then I had to 69 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: fly back on a Wednesday afternoon and I was in 70 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: meetings all Wednesday morning. Was a very quick trip. I 71 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: was also at a conference and I spoke in a panel, 72 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: and when the panel was over, someone came up to me, Uh, 73 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: this guy presumably does very well. Um. He's a banker 74 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: at like a really well known firm and prestigious firm, 75 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 1: and he's a partner there and so smart guy. Um. 76 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: And he was we were talking about Scooch and we 77 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:41,359 Speaker 1: were talking about his Italian villa. Um, and we were 78 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,679 Speaker 1: talking about God Scooches, you know, living a nice life. 79 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: And here you are talking about your second home. Oh yeah, 80 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: I know. I feel guilty sometimes now. He also told 81 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: me that he had met the CEO of Boyd Gaming 82 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 1: uh and asked him about you and like the CEO. 83 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 1: I just thought it was great and love that you 84 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: were doing the podcast and thought it was really fun. 85 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: Oh you met that guy. Huh I met well, I 86 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 1: met the banker who met the CEO. Okay, I don't 87 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: get to meet CEOs. I mean, you know, yeah, No, 88 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: it's it's great to know that the show's just getting 89 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: so much traction. I mean, it's it's unbelievable how many 90 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: people still come into The Orleans and uh, you know 91 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 1: they miss it when we're not on. You know, they'll 92 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: come in on those couple of weeks that we take 93 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: a break and they tell me how much uh they 94 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 1: missed us being being together. And I guess, you know, 95 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks off when we lose our timing. 96 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: You know, that's why I've had that that awkward opening. 97 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: You know, we we've got to get back into a 98 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 1: rhythm or something. I agree. Here's some other things that 99 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: people should do it They should go review the podcast. Uh, 100 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 1: they should rate the podcast. Also, if you're inclined, throw 101 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: some questions into the Apple reviews and we'll answer him 102 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: on the podcast. That is what we'll do. We're going 103 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: to use sort of the Apple platform as our new 104 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: way to communicate with users, basically because that's the only 105 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: way to move up the itune rankings other than that 106 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: like telling telling people to unsubscribe and then resubscribe, which 107 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: maybe we should do that to everyone, go unsubscribe and 108 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: then resubscribe. Um, but this will help boost our gifts, 109 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 1: give some juice to our rankings, scooch. Uh. And then 110 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: I know you're like, I know you'd like to be 111 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:26,559 Speaker 1: ranked high. Listen. So later on in the show, Luduke 112 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 1: is on, and he's amazing and funny and like brings 113 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: a lot of just energy. But like, I'm sorry that 114 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:36,239 Speaker 1: our first podcast back is generally going to be about 115 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: um Dave Malinsky, who you and I both knew very well, 116 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: uh and who tragically passed away U recently while in 117 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 1: a hike in Nevada. Um, this is one of the 118 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 1: most interesting guys. And this is like really affected the 119 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: betting community in Las Vegas. Like Malinsky had been in 120 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: Vegas probably for thirty years, and was beloved and was 121 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: thoughtful and creative, and um, he wasn't your typical professional 122 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: wise guy. UM. And so people, I'm certainly crushed. I 123 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: know you were very close with him. I had the 124 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: last time I actually saw him was at your wedding. UM. 125 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: Night emailed a bunch in the last six or eight months, 126 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: especially about Action, UM, but I hadn't seen him since 127 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: your wedding. Uh, tell me your thoughts about him. I 128 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: have a lot, but I want to hear you first. Yeah, 129 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: I have so many, and I've been talking about him 130 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: so much lately. But you know, having met him twenty 131 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: five years ago on the old Stardust Line, I mean 132 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: that at that time, that radio show used to reach 133 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: the entire West Coast and every Sunday night, Dave would 134 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,679 Speaker 1: break down all the games. My first week on the job, 135 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: listening to Dave, I hadn't even met him yet, but 136 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: listening to him breakdown a football game, I was so 137 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: struck by it because he compared it to a horse race. 138 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: And I never heard this kind of analysis where he 139 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: started talking about the pace of the football game the 140 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: way he would the pace of a horse race, where 141 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: this horse would get out to the lead. He would say, 142 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: this team is going to get out to an early 143 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: lead and and and start off fast, and the defense 144 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: is going to start to uh to crack down, and 145 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: the slow the pace of the game down a little 146 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: bit and then this is here's the closer, And so 147 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: that was my initial introduction to him before actually having 148 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 1: met him. Then I started actually doing some shows with him. 149 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: So my early years with Dave were basically on the 150 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:41,559 Speaker 1: professional level. It wasn't until the last five ten years 151 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: that I realized just the depth of the man, because 152 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: he told me so often that as much as he's 153 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: recognized for sports handicapper and that's provided his lifestyle, it 154 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: was merely a vehicle to get to his true passions 155 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: in life. And that's what we always talk about. More recently, 156 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: in the last few years, he was one of the 157 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 1: few people in the sports industry that I could get 158 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 1: together with for hours and never even talk about sports, 159 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: and that was rare and and that something that we 160 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: both kind of appreciated every time we got together because 161 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: it was kind of like a little hiatus from what 162 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: we are normally known for, and let's talk about the 163 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: things that that that truly kind of drive our desires 164 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: and things that kind of uh make life worth living 165 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:35,719 Speaker 1: and uh, and he described his really true passion were 166 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,719 Speaker 1: these bristle cone pine trees up in Mount Charleston here 167 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: outside Las Vegas, which I didn't even know about until 168 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: and I've lived here most of my life, and he 169 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: introduced me to these trees, which are actually the the 170 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 1: longest living things on the planet. I mean, these trees 171 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: are like three thousand years old. And he would go 172 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: up there every week and he would catalog these trees 173 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: and he look at them and try to you know 174 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: that you could see all the twists and turns of 175 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: three thousand years of these trees growing, and he would 176 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: compare them to things, uh in everyday life, that the 177 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: human condition, and each tree would represent a different story. 178 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: And that's what I always found fascinating with him, besides 179 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: the fact that he was a brilliant handicapper. So you know, 180 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: that's why you know, there's so many people that he's 181 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: touched over the years that are are kind of coming 182 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: out now and talking about their experiences with him, because 183 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: he was a fascinating man. You'll remember this place. Excuse 184 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: it wasn't the pepper Mill. It was this place like 185 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: across the street. You could sit at patio, sit in 186 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: a patio and some chairs outside. I had like sandwiches, 187 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: And it wasn't like the hotel that was across from 188 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: the Stardust to either. It was like some random coffee 189 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: shop almost that was on Las Vegas, Bolivard and I 190 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: went out there and like, I spoke go Tomlinsky before 191 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: and we had set up this day and now that's 192 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: when I was gonna start doing the book. And I 193 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: was so excited. It was going to be you know, 194 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: you guys in Boston and him, and we sit down 195 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 1: and he's like, I can't do the book with you. 196 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: He's like, I'll talk to you as much as you want, 197 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: and I will give you details and I will share 198 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: some ideas, but I have partners. They don't want me 199 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: to do it. I don't want to do the book. 200 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: It's too revealing. So we ended up just sitting there 201 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 1: talking for like two hours. We talked about how much 202 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: he likes to make chilly on the weekends for his 203 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: college football in the NFL betting and does not leave 204 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:35,959 Speaker 1: the house. And it was clear to me that this 205 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: guy was so so creative um and that he was 206 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: so smart about seeing the game. He like saw it 207 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: in a way that was like a heat map almost, 208 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: and he talked about efficiency and pace in a way 209 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: that nobody was doing at that point, so incredibly thoughtful. 210 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: I was totally bummed he wasn't going to do the 211 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 1: book because Alan Boston sort of became this breakout character 212 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:05,719 Speaker 1: in the gambling community because of what what happened in 213 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:07,839 Speaker 1: that book, and Malinsky, to me, it was going to 214 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: be the same way. But it was also indicative of 215 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: like he liked his privacy, he liked his solitude. Um 216 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: that came through and shining colors and sort of over 217 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: the years and the way he got into nature and 218 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: got into conservation and sort of became something that was 219 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: so different than what you would expect from you know, 220 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: from what you would think a regular hardcore gambler would be. 221 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: I mean it was a rough week. I mean, you know, 222 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: he was missing for five six days and we were 223 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: you know, working with a lot of the friends in 224 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 1: the family or you know, organizing search teams, and it 225 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: was super windy, so nobody could get up that high 226 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: and it was it was a tough week, all right, scooge, Well, listen, 227 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 1: we love Dave Mlinsky. May he rest in peace. I 228 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 1: know we're both sorry and many people in the Las 229 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: Vegas community are sorry that he's no longer with us. 230 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: And Scoot, you and I are gonna catch up next 231 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: week together face to face in New York. Uh. Next 232 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: up on the podcasts, we're switching gears a little bit, 233 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: going to Paula Duca, who tells us some of the 234 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: craziest stories about betting on the horses when he was 235 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 1: twelve and winning fifteen thousand dollars and getting arrested about 236 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: why he thinks John Carlos Stanton, isn't that the nine 237 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: best player to have a home plate when you've got 238 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: a man on third, two outs in the game on 239 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: the line, and his time when he was almost a 240 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: contestant on The Bachelor. Alright, as promised to my next 241 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:45,199 Speaker 1: guest on the podcast, maybe one of the best new 242 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: editions we've made of the Action Network. Four time MLB 243 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: All Star catcher, longtime Major League Baseball veteran, now my 244 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: best friend in the world, Paula Duca. What's going on? 245 00:13:56,160 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: Paul's Uh, good man, Just try to say a little 246 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:04,319 Speaker 1: dry here in New York and a little rain. It 247 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: seems like we're not gonna get a break down and 248 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: get me any good weather. But I am feeling good though, 249 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: feeling good about some games to night too as well. Listen, 250 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 1: we had as you as you were aware because you 251 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: were with us. Yesterday we had our first Action Network 252 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: content summit in our brand new office space where we 253 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: are recording the podcast today. Um And what was amazing 254 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: was how many people. There was one guy who came 255 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: into the office wearing a Mets hat uh in honor 256 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: of you. There's one guy from l A who stood 257 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: up and said, you are my favorite Dodger. And then 258 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: there was another guy who came out and said, I played, Uh, 259 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: Paul Duca was the most valuable player I had in 260 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: my two thousand two video game. Did you expect that 261 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: kind of response? Is that what it's like going through 262 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: life as Paul Duca? No, here's the deal, Like I 263 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: go around being a normal per sit and what did 264 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: I stand up and say? I said, if y'all tell 265 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: me I look small in person, I'm a nuck ye out, 266 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: but I'm a regular guy. So for me, you know, 267 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: my father told me a long time ago that they're gonna, 268 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: you know, always sign autographs, always take pictures, always that 269 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: because one day they'll forget about you. And you know what, 270 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: I've almost feeling forgotten until I joined the Action Network. 271 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: And yesterday was was a proud moment. For me, I 272 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: had four guys hugged me and it sort of had 273 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: man crushes on me yesterday. It was it was a 274 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: little scary. Oh my god, I had no idea it 275 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: was like that. I figured like, because I will tell 276 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: you every single time people talk to me about like 277 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: the people we've hired, um, and I say, you know, 278 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: we we brought in Paul Ladouca, people are like the 279 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: catcher Paul Duca. I'm like yeah, and they're like, oh 280 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: my god, I love that guy. I think that was 281 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: like a m I think it's because you're so small. 282 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: And um, I will say that when I walked off 283 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: the elevator into the office yesterday, you were trying to 284 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: figure out where the office was, and UM, I saw 285 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: you and I'm like, holy funk, this guy is a 286 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: lot smaller than I thought he was. And no, so 287 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: like then I walk in right. So we walk in 288 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: with everybody and a lot of people know Jeff Schwartz's 289 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: he's an offensive lineman for the Giants, uh and in 290 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: one of our own and actions Action Network and he's 291 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: a clown too. And he looks right at me he goes, wow, 292 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: you're sure, and I'm like, dude, You're like, like, of course, 293 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: and then I'm like we look like Schwarzenegger and de 294 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: Vito and quinns. Oh my god, that's so good. I 295 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: love that. That's what. You know what, We've been trying 296 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: to figure out what to call the podcast you guys 297 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: are gonna do, and maybe we should call it Twins. 298 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: That's actually not a bad idea. I mean, think on it. 299 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: And like I come up to what like, I don't 300 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: come up to nipples. Sorry to get a little bit. 301 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 1: People are a little bit like I don't. He's a 302 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 1: big human being's sting my face all day during the meeting. 303 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: You know what, I noticed that he like was stretching 304 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: out and he had his feet on the desk and 305 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 1: you were right in front of him, and I'm like, wow, yeah, 306 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 1: he is, like off, he is really invading Laduca's space 307 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,719 Speaker 1: right there. And he was wearing some A six. Did 308 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: they even make a six anymore? That might be the 309 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: only shoe that fits Jeff Schwartz. One of my favorite 310 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: things yesterday was, you know, we spent the whole day 311 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: and so people know, like we were all sort of 312 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: the entire team was here in the office and we 313 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: were just throwing ideas against the boards, like the first 314 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 1: time that the entire action team has gotten together and 315 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 1: sort of throwing ideas together because we're a didn't have 316 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: the office in New York yet and be UM everyone 317 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: lives every so so many of the places. So my 318 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: favorite story that you throw on the board yesterday we 319 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 1: were talking about like odds on the Bachelor, and you 320 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: throughout that you had been invited. H called about being 321 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: a bachelor one year. Tell the story of what happened. Yeah, 322 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: so I had it was going through a divorce and uh, 323 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: I was uh in UM now getting traded UM and 324 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:23,120 Speaker 1: min New York, and I got approached to be the bachelor, 325 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 1: approached by UM ABC and then the lady called me 326 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 1: and it was really weird because she asked for pictures. 327 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:35,439 Speaker 1: So now I'm like, okay, wait, like you know, I 328 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:41,120 Speaker 1: know Google wasn't as you know, I guess relevant then 329 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 1: as it was now, and this wasn't. This was like 330 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: twelve years ago somewhere in that area. And then Jesse 331 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: Palmer was one of the first ones, so they had 332 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: had an athlete and then uh, she asked for some pictures. 333 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 1: I sent some pictures and then and then the next 334 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: question was how tall are you? And I'm like, in 335 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: your program or in your heart and she goes and 336 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: started laughing. And then I go, um, you know, I'm 337 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: five ft ten in the program, but I'm five ft 338 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 1: eight in your heart, and she just goes, okay, well here, 339 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 1: you know, we'll get back to you soon. And it 340 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 1: was like, I mean, the phone call couldn't have ended 341 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 1: in like more than in a second and a half 342 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: after that, and then and then I was obviously informed 343 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: and in the email that I wasn't picked and it 344 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 1: was because of my height. Because it is true. If 345 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: you watched The Bachelor now, which I am, it's probably 346 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: my favorite show because the comedy part of it, it 347 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: really makes me laugh. It's great. Uh, but they're really 348 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: you'd never see a girl towering over a guy, so 349 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: and that would have happened with me. So yeah, that 350 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:50,239 Speaker 1: that went away very quickly. Chad. When um, when they 351 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 1: called you, what year was this? It was like two 352 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: thousand six, right when I was with the men, And 353 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: so when were you on the cover of sports Dowis 354 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: Fan Because I'm thinking, like, all right, so that's probably 355 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: when she saw you. So I can't even believe that 356 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 1: she needed to see more images of you to decide 357 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 1: if you were sort of bachelor worthy. Yeah, it is, 358 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 1: I'm like up to bike. It's yeah, I am pretty 359 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 1: small compared to everybody else in there. Oh no, no, no, no, 360 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: no no. I was actually saying you're so handsome on 361 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: the cover of the issue that I can't believe. She 362 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 1: needs to know what the key was that I do 363 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 1: my own eyebrows. What did you like? Tweetum? Yeah, you 364 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 1: gotta you gotta shape them, shape them? Wax. Um no, 365 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:35,360 Speaker 1: well I can't go wax. I had a bad reaction 366 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 1: before with that I shape them. I mean you were 367 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: such a I get compliments. Key, think about it, old 368 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 1: man hairs everywhere. You got to clean it up? So true? 369 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: Is that? Is that part of your charm? Is that 370 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: how you score is like you're just your eyebrowser perfect. 371 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: Well now it's the salt and pepper beard. It's just 372 00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a it's it's an attraction. Yeah. Um, 373 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 1: all right, here's my next question. We always play a 374 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,120 Speaker 1: game in the podcast, and we didn't play it with you. 375 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: The first time you and Jeff Schwartz did a podcast 376 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,400 Speaker 1: together called You Bet Your Life and I can't think 377 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 1: of many people like you had a great career in 378 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: Major League Baseball. We've established you're not that tall of 379 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,479 Speaker 1: a guy. Um. You got through your life on just 380 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:27,360 Speaker 1: grit and determination. And so, UM, tell me about the 381 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: biggest risk you've taken in your life. This is the 382 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: theme of you bet your life, the biggest risk you've taken, 383 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: and how it played out. Well, the biggest risk guy 384 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 1: were taking. And that is that true story. And I 385 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 1: told it to many people. I was twelve years old, um, 386 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 1: and uh, my father and I used to go to 387 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: Turf Paradise. I grew up in Arizona. Uh. I was 388 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,439 Speaker 1: born in New York, Arizona. When I was young. So 389 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 1: we scor to the turf Paradise, which was a race track, um, 390 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 1: where the horses run. And there was a jockey that 391 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 1: owed my father money. Um. My father had a bar 392 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 1: called the NFL Sports Pub, that was the name of 393 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: the bar was at nineteenth Avenue in Peoria, and this 394 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: jockey used to sit there and get drunk every night. 395 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: My dad used to keep tabs for people. It was 396 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: like in the old school days. Well, one day, you know, 397 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: and my dad finally approached him I'll never forget. I 398 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: was just got back from school and he pross like, hey, 399 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 1: you got to start giving me a little bit of money. 400 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: On the money. He's like, I got a horse for you. 401 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 1: I got a horse for you. Next week, I'll pay 402 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: you back with this horse. He's gonna run. And I'll 403 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: never forget the name of the horse. And name of 404 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: the horse was Sweeter Day. So it was like on 405 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: a Thursday, the horse is gonna run. So my dad 406 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 1: had bad stomach problems, real bad stomach problems, and he 407 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: struggled with ulcers and before tag ements were actually over 408 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,880 Speaker 1: the counter and over the counter or vice versa. I mean, 409 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 1: he eat him like tick tacks. So we're going on 410 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: in the race track. My mother is listening to this 411 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: in heaven. Sorry Mom, he cuts me out of school. 412 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 1: We get out of school and we're going to the 413 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: racetrack to go bet this horse. Um, so we get 414 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: into the track. Now a lot of people don't realize 415 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: back in the day, there used to be a line 416 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: into the racetrack that said you had to be eighteen 417 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 1: stand behind this line. Now you can go to a 418 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: racetrack and bring your son or daughter up to the 419 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 1: window and they don't pay attention. There's no security guards. 420 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: There's security guards, but there used to be heavily. It 421 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: would be more secured, like the windows. So my dad 422 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:34,239 Speaker 1: starts having this attack where his stomach starts bothering him 423 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: in the bathroom. That's her paradise. Now he's going there 424 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: to bet a thousand dollars to win on this horse. 425 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 1: And this is back in somewhere in that area. UM, 426 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 1: a lot of money. Then the horse is seventeen and 427 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 1: one on the board in the eleven hole. So he's 428 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 1: literally in the bathroom throwing up. And I now am 429 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: looking at the post three I suppose to mis post. 430 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: I'm yelling at my father. My dad, he can't move, 431 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: he's he'sn't mobilized at this point. Now he's like he's out. 432 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 1: So I reached his pocket and I take the money. 433 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: He's like, what are you doing? He and I said 434 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: to stay down, don't worry about it. So I can 435 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: see the horses are rolling to the gate, so they 436 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,120 Speaker 1: start loading, no horses loading the horses, um, And I'm 437 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: looking at the security guard, looking at the security guard. 438 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: And I rolled up to the window right when they 439 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 1: put the ten in, and I said give me this 440 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: al he went on the love it. She punched the 441 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: ticket and says, wait a second, you're way too young. 442 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: She goes to hit back me button and boom, the 443 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: bell went off. Now the tickets live, security card gardens over. 444 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 1: I get and cuffed. The horse wins by five and 445 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 1: now I'm downstairs. My dad's obviously his ulcers are way better, 446 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: and I'm handcuffed. But now it's a fifteen thousand dollar 447 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:04,919 Speaker 1: bet it that that teller is now responsible for. So 448 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: my dad is obviously growing nuts, like you gotta give 449 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: me the money. She punched the ticket. Uh, long story short. 450 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: I was banned for Turf Paradise a while um um, 451 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: and I'll never forget this, you know. The Obviously the 452 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: woman got fired, but my father waited outside and gave 453 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 1: that woman five thousand dollars and it was probably more 454 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 1: than she made for the year punching tickets at Turf Paradise. Um. 455 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: Because she couldn't she would she didn't have to punch 456 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: the ticket. Will happened while she was in such a 457 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: hurry because they were ready to go off. She didn't 458 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,400 Speaker 1: look up and see me, so she wasn't even paying attention. 459 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: She like someone. She just heard a voice that said, 460 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: give me, you know, a thousand bucks on this horse 461 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 1: at you know it was a thousand and win on 462 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,679 Speaker 1: the eleven. You know, back in those days, had you 463 00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: really didn't have the co mingling, you didn't have uh 464 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 1: you didn't have to explain what track because you weren't 465 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: betting Santa Anita or the other race tracks. You didn't 466 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: have all that you had. You were just betting one track. 467 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: That's when people went. That's when fans went, because you 468 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: had to go to the race track. You couldn't sound 469 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: the cast. So yeah, like, uh, we were. It seemed 470 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 1: like he turned and we were downstairs for like, I 471 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: don't know, an hour, hour and a half, and and 472 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: then I had to go home, go home late, keep 473 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: my mouth shut, not telling my mom what's going on, um, 474 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: you know, but always behind the lines, my mom always 475 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: knew because whatever my dad would go outside and go 476 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: buy some stuff or buy my mom address, he would 477 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:41,719 Speaker 1: always whisper to me, must have been a good day 478 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 1: at the track. So your mom never know your dad 479 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,360 Speaker 1: won the grand. He very kindly gave the ticket writer 480 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 1: five grand of that. How much did the guy at 481 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: the bar actually owe him? On the tab. You know, 482 00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 1: I never knew that. I never knew that. Um, it 483 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: had to be up there for my dad to be 484 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: like that. Anybody that knows my dad, he was owned 485 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 1: restaurants for a zillion years UM in Arizona, and you 486 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 1: know a kind of guy that would let the tab go. 487 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: So maybe it was up there. But he was a 488 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: guy who always I remember you always used to sit 489 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: at the corner of the bar drink, have some drinks, um, 490 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,159 Speaker 1: and he would leave and he would stiff the bar 491 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: center all the time. And then I remember my dad 492 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: asked him. And I remember my dad specifically asking him. 493 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: I freely left this point out, saying, okay, if you're 494 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: not gonna pay him to give me a horse, because 495 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: the guy didn't ride that many horses. To be honest 496 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 1: with you, but that's the biggest risk I ever took, 497 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: because I I'll never forget. Because you gotta understand, when 498 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:52,360 Speaker 1: you're twelve or thirteen, you hear I heard it, so yeah, 499 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 1: I it's it was different from me. I was sitting 500 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 1: there and I heard him telling my father the horse 501 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: was only so now when you're twelve, you really believe it, 502 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,439 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? My My thing was. My 503 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,360 Speaker 1: thing was, oh my god, this horse is gonna win 504 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 1: and we're gonna lose that on fifteen. Now, I would 505 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: have never made the beat. I would have been like, yeah, 506 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: we're probably gonna say a thousand, you know you So 507 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: it was just because I was twelve or thirty, you know, 508 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: I didn't. I I went in the panic mode. You know, 509 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's insane. So your dad, I bet 510 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: that the tab had to be more than had to 511 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: be less than fifteen, but also less than ten because 512 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: otherwise she's given away his profit there, right, So, uh, 513 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 1: you never told your mom on that story. She has 514 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 1: no idea that you went to the track, made the 515 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: bat got arrested. No, there's there's no way. You know 516 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: why I didn't go back until I was like, I 517 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: don't know, fifteen or sixteen, And one of the guys 518 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 1: there said there was a picture of my face on 519 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: the boat and board in the security office. If you 520 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: ever seen this kid, you gotta get him. You're like 521 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: on the blacklist. But by the time you were fifteen, 522 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 1: I was on the black list of Paradise. And it's 523 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: like it doesn't getting much lowers, Like it's almost like 524 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: a badge of shame to be on the blacklist of 525 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: Turf Paradise. How bad you have to be to be 526 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: on the blacklist of turf Paradise. Yeah, you know what 527 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: it's like. I always felt like that security guard had 528 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: it out for me, because I'll be honest, Like when 529 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 1: I was about thirteen fourteen, if I had five, six, seven, 530 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: eight dollars, I was always like trying to get a 531 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 1: guy to, you know, bet for me. If I was going, 532 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: you know, we'd go with our we'd go with our buddies. 533 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: We'd cut class, go to the dogs, go to the horses. 534 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 1: Dogs were way easier because you can get guys to 535 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: bed for you. If we you win, you give them 536 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: a little bit here and there. Um. But it sucks 537 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: because we were sharp. But a couple of us were sharp, 538 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: So if we hit for a thousand dollars, you'd be like, 539 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: oh man, we'd wait and then I'd have to give 540 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: it to my dad, and then my dad would cash in, 541 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: and then of course my dad would take the big 542 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: on me where to get this from? So you don't 543 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: want to trust the guy to cash it because he 544 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 1: had I mean, there's no I R S problems anymore. 545 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: At the UH at the horses. Now they had that soul, 546 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: but you ustart to sign anything over six hundred dollars, 547 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: so you didn't want that guy signing the ticket and 548 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: taking the money under his name. You were getting that 549 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: money back. You know how much juice was your dad 550 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 1: charging you? At least two hundreds? He was the worst. 551 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 1: He was the worst, my dad. I love him the death. 552 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: He's the best, but he was the worst for the 553 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 1: game to that. He used to take the big off 554 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: the top all the time. He was charging on a 555 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: thousand dollar cash. Yeah, because he knows I was cutting class. 556 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: Because he was getting the heat from my mom. So 557 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: he used to say, from the heat from my mom, 558 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: he your mother's given me because I know you're cutting class. 559 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: Because at that time when I was cutting class, I 560 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 1: was a freshman software I was nobody. I couldn't cut 561 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: classes as senior because I was starting to blossom as 562 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 1: a player. I grew to all five ft eight. I 563 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 1: was five foot two my first free year in high school, 564 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: and then I blossom to all fo five eight senior year. 565 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: So I couldn't cut class my senior year because I 566 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: was actually becoming a decent baseball player. Oh my god, 567 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 1: that is classic. That is too funny. Um, I need 568 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: to transition you because, uh, we we actually do have 569 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: to talk a little bit of baseball, Like we're a 570 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: month in the season. I don't think anyone saw like 571 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: the Phillies and Diamondbacks being a preview of the NLCS. 572 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: I don't think anyone like expected Otani to be to 573 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: what he's doing. I thought what you talked about yesterday 574 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 1: in our meeting, just about the way sort of the 575 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 1: strikeout per at bat ratio matters. Like when you look 576 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: back on the first month of the season from a 577 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: betting perspective, who's been the biggest surprise, who's been more effective? 578 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: Who have you looked at and said, Wow, these guys 579 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: are crap and I should not be playing them until 580 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 1: I get a better sense of who they are met 581 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: with through the year. Well, obviously, the Phillies have been dynamite, 582 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: and so the Braids, I mean the Braids at least early. 583 00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 1: I mean the nl East in general has been has 584 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 1: been great. Um, whether you're a fan of the team 585 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: or whether you've been been in the teams and Mets 586 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 1: have been great against the spread and the Philly You're right, 587 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 1: the Phillies. You know, the Phillies did it the right way. 588 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 1: They sort and and this is something that I've always 589 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: tried to tell the Met fan and and it's working 590 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 1: so far this year, but it hasn't worked. The Phillies 591 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: built through the farm system through pitching. Now they did 592 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: get Jake Arietta off off of free agency, but it's 593 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 1: hard to sign people or pictures that to go into 594 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: a pictures or hitter's ballpark. So the Phillies have a 595 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: tough time signing guys that want to come there to pitch. 596 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 1: So what did they do? They dumped everybody built through 597 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 1: the farm system through pitching, and now they're starting to 598 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 1: see the success. And then they went out and got 599 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: our Arietta to be somewhat of the father figure of 600 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: that staff to help those kids out, and it's paying 601 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 1: off now. The Mets, I'll we thought they should go 602 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 1: more of the other route because they play in a 603 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: bigger ballpark. Pictures are gonna want to come pitch in 604 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 1: at City Field. They could get free agents to come 605 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: pitching um there, but through trades and through other stuff. 606 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 1: Obviously the pitching has carried him. But now look what's 607 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: got them to the record. They've gotten quality at bats 608 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 1: from uh Todd Frasier, quality of brats from Adrian Gonzalts 609 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: had a key Grand Slam. They've gotten some big hits 610 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 1: from bettering guys that they signed. You know, Assessment Sessors 611 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: is not hitting a ton, but he hit a hit 612 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: big Grand Plam the other night. The thing that I've 613 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 1: always stressed is that you need to get quality at 614 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 1: bats to succeed, and you need pitching, and you need bullpen. 615 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 1: And still when you look at the top of the 616 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 1: list when it comes to pitching, the astros is there 617 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: are are right at the top and they're not a surprise. Um. 618 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 1: When it comes to disappointments, it's the Dodgers. But I 619 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: predicted and I thought that they would back up at 620 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: And the reason why was it was gonna be the 621 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 1: second year for Bellinger that had a tough, uh you know, 622 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: weird start times to begin the year. They had four 623 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 1: left handed starters in a rotation. Um. When you have 624 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:17,840 Speaker 1: that many left handed starters inter rotation, it can sear 625 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,919 Speaker 1: the lineup and it can it can get another team hot. Um. 626 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 1: I can explain that in an article, explain that to 627 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: you in a certain way, like when you get a 628 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: lefty out there, certain teams kill lefties, and when you 629 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 1: get to stay three in a row, it makes Kershawn 630 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 1: not as nasty sometimes, and he struggled a little bit, 631 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: So there has been some surprises. But I do really, 632 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,880 Speaker 1: do truly feel that Dodgers are in deep trouble. And 633 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:46,319 Speaker 1: you mentioned the Diamondbacks, they're for real. Let's go back 634 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:51,319 Speaker 1: to the Phillies for one second, because um, Gabe Kapler 635 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,320 Speaker 1: was the joke of the league that first, that first 636 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,399 Speaker 1: that opening day, like those first few days, the way 637 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 1: he was using his bullpen. So what has changed, Like 638 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 1: has he changed his approaches, he thinking differently about the 639 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 1: way he uses pictures or is he just a genius? 640 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 1: I don't know. It's a good question. It's something that 641 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what it might. Maybe it's fool's goal 642 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,360 Speaker 1: earlier in the season, because as a hitter earlier in 643 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 1: the season, it's it's it's really you want to face 644 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 1: the guy as many times as you want. It's like 645 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,360 Speaker 1: when you face the guy's third time around, he's obviously 646 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 1: gonna be easier to hit because you've seen him. I 647 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 1: wrote an article, um and actually caught a game over 648 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 1: I bet a game over of the Yankees and the 649 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:42,280 Speaker 1: Blue Jays because the Yankees had faced Marcus Dostrata already, 650 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 1: and I think the Blue Jays already face Sonny Gray 651 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 1: who was struggling, so to me, second time around, there 652 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 1: was gonna be run. They're already seen each other. So 653 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,919 Speaker 1: maybe that's what's helped the Phillies is that he's taking 654 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,320 Speaker 1: the guys out so early. They're not seeing there. The 655 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 1: rest of these teams are seeing example sizes um and 656 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 1: maybe it's gonna catch up later in the year. But 657 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 1: they do got a ton of talent, and do got 658 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 1: a ton of young arms that are are really good, 659 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,840 Speaker 1: and they got some some baths. Here's the thing. You 660 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 1: don't need to stick a ton of baths into that 661 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 1: ballpark because that Paul Parker is gonna elevate your your 662 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 1: batting average already. With with as Di mentioned, do you 663 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 1: think is it better? Are the Phillies over valued now 664 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 1: or is there still value in the Phillies every night? 665 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 1: I think there's still value in the Phillies as of 666 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,759 Speaker 1: right now, as long as this weather keeps staying up. 667 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,759 Speaker 1: I mean, uh, it's still a little chilly out here 668 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 1: in the East I do think the numbers are gonna 669 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 1: start going through the roof. I'm still convinced the ball's juice. Um. Listen, 670 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 1: I played in two thousand two, I mean in two 671 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 1: thousand two, and those guys were on rocket fuel. Um, 672 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,440 Speaker 1: and they broke all those records last year, and the 673 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:56,399 Speaker 1: commissioner won't admit it. He caused his own collusion. When 674 00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,840 Speaker 1: my daughter can hit fifteen home runs, every agent that 675 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,839 Speaker 1: thinks for the same amount of money, and then you've 676 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 1: got the mlp A going back and forth. Well, you guys, 677 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:09,200 Speaker 1: everybody's getting fifteen home runs and it wasn't that way. 678 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 1: So you cause your own collusion. So you have to 679 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 1: win this with pitching now even more. And you look 680 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 1: at look at the strikeout. Jean carl santon Is struck 681 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 1: out thirty five times. I struck out thirty times one year, 682 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 1: one year. This is what But they don't care because 683 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:33,880 Speaker 1: the teams don't care anymore about the strikeout. They value 684 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,960 Speaker 1: the three Every team is an Earl Weaver American League 685 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 1: team pitching and let's wait for the three run homer. Chad, Well, 686 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 1: you were talking about that yesterday. Like the Yankees are 687 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,120 Speaker 1: a team that has a ton of strikeouts. They're they're 688 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,080 Speaker 1: all or nothing. They're the Dave Kingman of the modern era, right, 689 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,279 Speaker 1: and so what does that do? Does that make them 690 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,279 Speaker 1: from a betting perspective? How do you look at them 691 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,880 Speaker 1: that way? Yeah? But okay, now go look at the Yankees. 692 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,439 Speaker 1: Would you be surprised if they're the They're number one 693 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,040 Speaker 1: in all at baseball and ops, I couldn't believe it, 694 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 1: but they are. And so something is working. Okay, they 695 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 1: had a fourteen run game. They lead all of baseball 696 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,080 Speaker 1: and run scored. If you look at their offensive stats, 697 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:24,399 Speaker 1: they've been giants. So the system is working because all 698 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:29,120 Speaker 1: of baseball has gone to this where they don't care 699 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,440 Speaker 1: about the strikeout. They think the strikeouts just as good 700 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 1: as a ground out the second, which I get it 701 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,200 Speaker 1: it is, but they're looking at strikeout. They've gone to 702 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,239 Speaker 1: guys that used to wear jock straps, the guys that 703 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 1: don't wear jock straps. In the front office, I mean 704 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 1: almost of the teams, you have a guy that did 705 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 1: play and a lot of guys that didn't play in 706 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,319 Speaker 1: and they're just looking at the saber metrics. They're looking 707 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,239 Speaker 1: at this and that. When I'm looking at something, I 708 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,520 Speaker 1: look at a high strikeout rate on a I in 709 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 1: a high strike out rate in the picture. It's it's relevant. 710 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,800 Speaker 1: It's very relevant because to me as an MLB catcher, 711 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:14,880 Speaker 1: I'll put it this way, UM, I would rather face 712 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:19,239 Speaker 1: like guys used to say, they they why was Ryan 713 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,279 Speaker 1: Samberg in the Hall of Fame before Andre Dawson? And 714 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,360 Speaker 1: I used to ask that question. And I remember asking 715 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:29,480 Speaker 1: Andre Dawson because he used to work for Florida And 716 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna turn around to this and get to this 717 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:36,239 Speaker 1: and and and sort of makes sense here and and 718 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,120 Speaker 1: they said they used to walk Dawson to get to Samberg. 719 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,719 Speaker 1: And there's just certain guys that you don't want to 720 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 1: face in certain situations. Um, and certain guys that you 721 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,640 Speaker 1: don't mind facing a certain situations. And Jim carl Stan 722 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,920 Speaker 1: is one of those guys. Yeah, the stats say that 723 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,200 Speaker 1: he hit fifty summer at home runs. He's this kind 724 00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,239 Speaker 1: of monster. But now put him in New York arc 725 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,920 Speaker 1: and he's facing Chris Sale or he's facing a giant picture. 726 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:09,640 Speaker 1: He's an out. He is an out every time. Now. 727 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,920 Speaker 1: Albert Pools at forty years old is not an ounce. 728 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,960 Speaker 1: If there's a man on third and the game is 729 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,720 Speaker 1: on the line, who do you want at home plate? 730 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,720 Speaker 1: Jim Carlos Stanton is like number ninety, he was number ninety. 731 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,120 Speaker 1: I'll give you eighty nine guys that I'd want Brett 732 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,080 Speaker 1: Gardner on his team because I know he's gonna put 733 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,800 Speaker 1: it in play. There are certain guys you stay away 734 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 1: from as a catcher, and there's certain guys you don't mind. 735 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:41,000 Speaker 1: Now when it's eight one if we're winning. When I 736 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,880 Speaker 1: was catching, I would give gm Carlo Stanton whatever he 737 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,399 Speaker 1: loves when we're winning eight one, But when it's one one, 738 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:52,040 Speaker 1: he's gonna get whatever he doesn't love. And and whatever 739 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,439 Speaker 1: he doesn't love is a fastball belt high. He can't 740 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,560 Speaker 1: hit it if you throw it belt high every time 741 00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,759 Speaker 1: it's an ounce. So that's my relevant where where I 742 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,280 Speaker 1: where I try to tell people is like there's certain 743 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,640 Speaker 1: guys in certain stats. When you look at guys, you 744 00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:11,319 Speaker 1: gotta look at certain things, and I think that's one 745 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:16,399 Speaker 1: of them. Is a big thing. So that's interesting. Gian 746 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:21,719 Speaker 1: Carlo Stanton ninety guy you'd have at home plate when 747 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,719 Speaker 1: there's a man on third and the game is on 748 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,799 Speaker 1: the line. Brent, you need a hit, Chat, you need 749 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,880 Speaker 1: a hit. You you tell me you can't name twenty 750 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,120 Speaker 1: guys you'd rather have than gian Carlo Stanton. You need 751 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,760 Speaker 1: a hit, you'd rather have Albert Pujols, whose bad speed 752 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,560 Speaker 1: is about half of what it was fifteen years ago. Yes, 753 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:43,240 Speaker 1: then then gian Carlo Stanton, because I know that Albert 754 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:48,120 Speaker 1: has done this before, uh and is in this situation now? 755 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,839 Speaker 1: Am I piling on on gian Carlo Santon a little bit? 756 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,840 Speaker 1: I get it his his stats are gonna skew. But 757 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,080 Speaker 1: what I'm trying to explain to people is that there's 758 00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:01,040 Speaker 1: certain guys that have stats, and there's certain guys that 759 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,239 Speaker 1: have real stats. Like you know, Mike Trout is a 760 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,080 Speaker 1: right handed hitter. Miguel Cabret. These are two guys that 761 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,480 Speaker 1: can go down as some of the best, two of 762 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,160 Speaker 1: the best right hand hitters of all time. I mean 763 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,400 Speaker 1: what Miguel Cabrera has done. And I had a fortunate 764 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:21,560 Speaker 1: to play with them, like and you didn't want. I 765 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,080 Speaker 1: used to laugh when guys when the bases were loaded, 766 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,760 Speaker 1: because I knew he was going to hit a rocket somewhere. 767 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,680 Speaker 1: You just knew. There was just certain guys you wanted 768 00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:34,600 Speaker 1: to stay away from. Um Tony Gwynn, I remember I remember, 769 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,239 Speaker 1: uh Andy Ashby. I went out to the mountain one 770 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,120 Speaker 1: day and asked him. I'm like, what do we do 771 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:41,759 Speaker 1: with Gwinn? And he goes, I'm done. I'm throwing it 772 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:43,880 Speaker 1: down the middle and just hope he pumps pops it up. 773 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,200 Speaker 1: He goes, the only thing we the only thing we 774 00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,440 Speaker 1: should do is don't throw him in. And I'm like, 775 00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,080 Speaker 1: why he goes, because then he can hit a home run. 776 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,680 Speaker 1: If we throw him away, he'll just get his base hit. 777 00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,520 Speaker 1: And there was the truth. So I never set up 778 00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,840 Speaker 1: in the Tony Gwynn ever. Even Kevin Brown told me 779 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,359 Speaker 1: that too. Don't set up to Gwen in Sincide. That's 780 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,680 Speaker 1: why Tony gwyn didn't their home runs. Tony gwyn could 781 00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,640 Speaker 1: hit twenty if you wanted to hit the quickest bat ever, 782 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:10,880 Speaker 1: but he just took his hits whenever he wanted to. 783 00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:15,160 Speaker 1: So now those were the certain guys. And now I'm 784 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,640 Speaker 1: mentioning some of the best hitters ever. Now Albert Pools 785 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,640 Speaker 1: is a great hitter, but I would take D D 786 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,160 Speaker 1: D H the girl uh sarah dd. I mean, he's 787 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,640 Speaker 1: been having an unbelieable year, but his at bat that 788 00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,360 Speaker 1: you gave him Gardner. There's like five guys on the Yankees. 789 00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,160 Speaker 1: I take before gen Carlos Stanton right now. Okay, so 790 00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:33,839 Speaker 1: you can't say his name, but you still take him 791 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,560 Speaker 1: before gian Carloston. But what about what about the guy 792 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,040 Speaker 1: who just had that at bat that it was the 793 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:45,520 Speaker 1: most pitches ever internet bat? How hard is that? Brandon belt? Uh, 794 00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:51,279 Speaker 1: it's impossible, It's very tough. I was, actually, I want 795 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,000 Speaker 1: to say, I I know the listeners will know this. 796 00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,640 Speaker 1: Alex Cora hadn't at bat and I was on the bench. 797 00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,560 Speaker 1: I want to say, seventeen pitch and he hit a 798 00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:06,400 Speaker 1: homer um and I'll it seemed like an attorney. We 799 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,439 Speaker 1: were laughing. And when when he hit the home run, 800 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,600 Speaker 1: it a we I was. I think they paid to 801 00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,560 Speaker 1: the dugout. We were in shock. And and then I 802 00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:19,000 Speaker 1: think it was Brandon beat hit. I think Brandon might 803 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,320 Speaker 1: have beat either Alex's or somebody else's. But that's insane. 804 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,280 Speaker 1: I think the most I ever had was in eleven, 805 00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,560 Speaker 1: but twenty one pitches is like, I mean, that's the 806 00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,520 Speaker 1: fifth of a guy's discount. Thinking about it, it's unbelievable. 807 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,200 Speaker 1: Oh my god, you're so right. That is such great context, 808 00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:38,399 Speaker 1: Like how hard is it to concentrate pitches in one 809 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:43,320 Speaker 1: at bat? It's very hard. And as a catcher too, 810 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:45,879 Speaker 1: you get to a point even when you're eight nine, 811 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,279 Speaker 1: ten pitches in where you're like and you'll go to 812 00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,239 Speaker 1: the mound. And sometimes I've had the pitchers go like, 813 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,239 Speaker 1: should just roll it up there? And I throw the 814 00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:59,680 Speaker 1: rosin valley and you almost try to change strategies. And 815 00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,200 Speaker 1: to the point where the older I got as a catcher, 816 00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,839 Speaker 1: and he kept filling it off and filing off the fastball. Um, 817 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:07,440 Speaker 1: I was just like, you know, unless you stick with 818 00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,200 Speaker 1: the fastball, because I have a feeling that he keeps 819 00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,160 Speaker 1: filling off. We told him something else he might run 820 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,480 Speaker 1: into something. And because I learned that one time from 821 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:18,759 Speaker 1: Manny Ramirez, I was kept throwing Manny Ramirez fastballs inside. 822 00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,960 Speaker 1: He fouled off like seventh straight to the right, to 823 00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,359 Speaker 1: the right, to the right, to the I'm like, God, 824 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,000 Speaker 1: he keeps getting beat. Should I throw him something else? 825 00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,240 Speaker 1: As to him a slider? He hit an eight hundred 826 00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:35,600 Speaker 1: feet chat and I remember I remember telling somebody, I'm like, 827 00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,800 Speaker 1: what did I to do? I went to the mountain 828 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,040 Speaker 1: and I told the picture that was my fault because 829 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,960 Speaker 1: you know, some pictures will listen to yourself won't. But 830 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,840 Speaker 1: Manny Ramirez was so talented that he was able to 831 00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,600 Speaker 1: fight off seven straight fastballs. He says he was sitting 832 00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,600 Speaker 1: on that sliders the whole time, and he when he 833 00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,600 Speaker 1: got it, he hit it eight under feet. So I 834 00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:59,160 Speaker 1: learned that one lesson right there was like, you know what, 835 00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,000 Speaker 1: I'm sticking with the bastball until he puts it in play, 836 00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,160 Speaker 1: until he does something with it. And you know, if 837 00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,320 Speaker 1: you look at it at that with Brandon that towards 838 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:08,840 Speaker 1: the end of it, he just kept throwing the fastball 839 00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,200 Speaker 1: after fastball. You know, Oh my god, Paully, that is 840 00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:17,359 Speaker 1: so that's so good. Um, oh my god. All right, 841 00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,560 Speaker 1: I got like eight ideas I needed to start thinking 842 00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,319 Speaker 1: about to write that we can talk about after the podcast. Um, 843 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,160 Speaker 1: everyone go follow at Paul la Duke is sixteen. His 844 00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:33,160 Speaker 1: stuff on the Action Network is insanely insightful and as colorful. Paul, 845 00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,759 Speaker 1: you write the way you speak, like every story I 846 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,120 Speaker 1: read of yours feels like I'm talking to you, which 847 00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,520 Speaker 1: is like, which is as good as a guest. You 848 00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,759 Speaker 1: can't ask for anything else. Um, keep killing her brother. 849 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,759 Speaker 1: Appreciate man I I told you I wanna. I'm gonna 850 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,840 Speaker 1: start breaking out some stories for the people too, So 851 00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,239 Speaker 1: tomorrow League Stories, I got one for you. The next 852 00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:58,800 Speaker 1: firm I'm on. We took over an eye Op and 853 00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,319 Speaker 1: Al Paso when I was in double A. We got 854 00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,839 Speaker 1: thrown out though, but my buddy was cooking moons over 855 00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,840 Speaker 1: Miami by the end of that night. All right, listen, 856 00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:11,640 Speaker 1: we'll do it next week. Bounds, good brother. Thanks h