WEBVTT - Conversations About Ageism In Hip Hop 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:04.400 What's up? And welcome back to another episode of No 0:00:04.519 --> 0:00:07.520 Sealer's Podcast with your hosts now fuck that with your 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:16.439 load glasses Malone. So gonna tell me about that bomb 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:19.160 you had it for LLL on tape so everybody can 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:20.119 hear it, including LF. 0:00:20.560 --> 0:00:23.880 All right LLL, so L what about fifty three four 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:24.520 something like that? 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:26.000 Now pretty close? 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:29.880 So he wants to fifty six fifty seven? Cool? Cool? Cool. 0:00:29.880 --> 0:00:34.680 He's been a millionaire about thirty years now, thirty five years. 0:00:33.440 --> 0:00:37.320 Probably longer than that, longer than that. Y's probably been 0:00:37.360 --> 0:00:40.480 a millionaire for about they're in there forty yeah, thirty 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:42.920 five years. That's probably way because he was getting money. 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:46.599 He's been getting money for forty years. But he probably 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:50.000 became a millionaire thirty five years. That's fair. 0:00:50.400 --> 0:00:53.840 Yeah. So he's he wants to still lay down tracks 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:55.520 and shit. So what's he going to talk about? Like 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:57.920 how he doesn't like his new driving lawnmower, so we 0:00:58.000 --> 0:01:01.040 had to hire landscapers. So what's the new single. I'll 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:04.560 let him source you out. Ma'm gonna say, source you out. 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:09.720 I don't actually think so, bro. I think it has 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:12.560 a valid point, man. I think that people should rap 0:01:12.600 --> 0:01:13.600 as long as they want to. 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:16.240 Okay, listen, Steve, before we talk about this, before you 0:01:16.280 --> 0:01:19.080 get on no ceilings. We don't do no political correct 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:19.680 shit over here. 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:21.920 It is I think people should rap as long as 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:22.560 they fucking want you. 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:24.360 I'm not talking about that I'm saying, but the way 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:26.880 your voice sounds, he sounded like Steven a fucking Smith, 0:01:26.959 --> 0:01:28.560 because that's not what No Killings is. 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:30.600 I sound like a podcaster. I sound like. 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:34.560 This is not for podcasters. Me and Pete are literally 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:38.640 two motherfucking people from different corners of the earth having 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:41.360 a great conversation. So we don't have like that professional. 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:44.400 Lose that professional. Keep that shit for gangster rap chronicles. 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:48.400 You and eight y'all talk professional. This is the motherfucking barbershop. 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:51.880 Okay for sure, No eight damn sure, don't talk professional. 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:56.200 Like a professional. Eight No A be like he don't 0:01:56.200 --> 0:01:59.680 want to talk shit about nobody. A be like super 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:02.360 like he's a consummant professional, all. 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:05.200 Heated argument on the blue line. That's what this is. 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:08.560 This is what this is. Right at the motherfucking Rosa 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:10.639 Parks Metro station, right at the coy. 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:14.560 M C. Eight has definitely missed it politically correct. He 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:16.480 don't want to offend nobody. He don't want to say 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:21.000 nothing bad about nobody, and you too, So that's I 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:23.919 don't got no problem with talking about a motherfucker. 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:26.080 Yeah, because you just came in here with that bullshit. 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:29.040 Ask Steven A Skip. 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:31.880 Has rubbed off on you like butter or like foundation 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:32.560 on my shirt? 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:35.960 No, no, no, no, I definitely will express whatever is on 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:37.040 my mind. I will. 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:40.600 So now tell us again what you were saying about rapping, 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:41.720 and now we're listening. 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:45.880 I think as long as the person wants to think, 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:48.400 as long as an individual wants to rap, he should rap. 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:49.880 If you don't want to wrap no more, don't wrap 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:51.480 no more. I don't think egg should ever have nothing 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:53.799 to do with it. As long as you got bars now, 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:56.240 I think if you start getting trash, you should put 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:57.480 that motherfucker mic down. 0:02:58.200 --> 0:02:59.160 Like who got trash? 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:02.880 I said? Are you a gangster rapper drinking at Starbucks latte? 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:04.000 Is that what's happening over there? 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:04.280 No? 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:06.720 I don't even what's crazy is I've never drank coffee 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:07.200 in my life. 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:09.919 I couldn't. It was just I just had to. I 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:10.400 just had to. 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:11.640 No, no, no, what funny is? 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:11.880 Right? 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:14.800 Is I drink all of the black teas. So like, 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:17.880 so every day, every morning because I wake up or 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:19.679 like the first thing I try to do. Because I 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:23.480 started eating one time of day. Right, this makes seventy days. 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:25.799 Seventy one days. I've been eating once a day, you 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:27.919 know what I mean, between four thirty and eight thirty. 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:31.360 So I try to start, you know, before I eat, 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:34.720 I drink like a hot black tea with honey, you 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:35.120 know what I mean. 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:36.760 Too good for the white teas. 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:39.840 I don't know if they got white tea cause, but 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:41.000 that's a great point. 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:43.320 I just love how those ceilings ask you a question 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:45.160 on the show, then they go to talking about fucking 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:46.800 coffee and teas and shit out, yeah. 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:48.520 Because we don't got that kind of professional shit with 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:51.200 y'all sit up there in Arsenior Hall. This ain't Arsenio Hall, 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:54.280 my nigga. This is the motherfucking barbershop. So he was 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:57.400 asking me about my tea because he knows that would 0:03:57.400 --> 0:03:59.360 be kind of soft for a nigga be drinking lattes. 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:02.160 And I'm restling of my man Pete that this is 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:05.520 a black tea. This is an earl gray black tea. Right, 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:09.000 So I drink chai. The English Royal Breakfast and the 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:10.240 Earl Gray black tea. 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:12.240 Gray, it sounds like an old R and B singer 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:13.080 from the seventies. 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:15.600 I like, it's sounds like you do buy some fire song. 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:17.880 Yeah, Earl Gray is actually a really good tea. 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:19.920 See, and I don't know because you've been to England 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:22.760 as It's funny because this conversation is dope because we 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:25.320 really get to say but you know, because you've been 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:27.240 over there and probably really got Earl Gray from the 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:29.919 nigga who made Earl Gray. That's like my dad yesterday 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:32.640 he was telling me he knew Bill from Bill's Taco 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:35.720 I was like, that's crazy because Bill's Taco to us 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:38.000 is just like this spot that said these tacos with 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:42.400 gravy and hamburger Patty's. But that nigga actually knew Bill. 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:46.160 There's something yeah. 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:48.920 So yeah, so before I eat, So I'm gonna eat 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:51.320 at four four thirty as soon as we finish this podcast, 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:54.560 i'mna eat. You know what I'm eating for today? And 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:58.600 then I end every night with a U in the middle. 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:00.600 I usually drink a bird Dock tea and then at 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:01.920 night I drank a peppermint tea. 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:03.400 Lovely. 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:05.920 So I've been drinking three t's a day, really just 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:07.279 to balance my stomach. 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:10.600 So you you asked me who has gotten trash in 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:11.920 the older years. 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:13.880 No, we didn't really want to answer to that. 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:16.200 Well, I can tell you the answer to it, but 0:05:16.240 --> 0:05:21.760 that's just my opinion answer. I would ask the question, 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:25.400 answer the question. I'm not gonna say necessarily trash. But 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:29.680 I think once you start attaining a certain level of success, 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:31.520 you can't talk about the same shit you used to 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:34.560 talk about because you don't have them same inspirations. I 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:37.880 don't think Cubs as potent as he once was. You know, 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:39.279 cubanous man. 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:43.760 Is ducking this conversation almost like pleading the Fifth Ward Amendment. 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:53.000 Definitely, But but this is so Q specifically right, and 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:56.400 this is important even talking about somebody that's that's came 0:05:56.480 --> 0:06:02.120 up and them seeing So this is what I think 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:05.400 happened with Ice Q. I think Ice cute. You know 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:08.000 what's crazy. I always say this. I don't think Snoop 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:10.679 gets enough credit for what he's done in hip hop 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:13.599 and me and you have had this argument still behind 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:16.320 closed doors a million Timeste. You kind of know where 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:19.800 I feel, and I've said this multiple times. I think 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:21.920 Snoop Dogg is the greatest hip hop artists. People thought 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:24.080 this because he was a crib or we some kind 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:27.400 of friendly. Like me and Snoop's relationship really just kind 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:29.200 of came into a place to where I feel like, 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:32.120 you know, he cares if I'm successful or not. I 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:34.400 really didn't think Snoop gave two fucks about me when 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:36.000 I came up, so it didn't matter that I was 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:38.880 a crip or he knew my older homies, none of that. Like, 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:43.320 he didn't really show any interest and to none of 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:46.400 us when we came up in two thousand and five, six, seven, eight, 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:51.279 You know what I'm saying. But I think when Snoop 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:54.800 stepped in the game, a lot of the ways we 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:59.719 looked at him scene right. He put a different pressure 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:03.560 on every artist to change how they mc and to 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:07.640 become better songwriters. Like Snoop is one of the first 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:11.520 artists right when he first came about that he was 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:14.840 like a complete songwriter. And don't get me wrong, obviously 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:19.360 DC is a huge you know, like training wheels for Snoop, 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:22.280 Like DC kept him in you know, the pockets and 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:26.400 explaining songwriting bars and all the completeness that makes a 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:29.840 really great rap record, a great rap record, But Snoop 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:33.000 innately was that outside of the fact he was skilled. 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:37.160 So I think when we remember hearing Cube from you know, 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:41.520 obviously eighty seven to ninety two, we heard this super 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:46.040 consonant EMC that was influenced by you know, EASYE and 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:48.000 writing for him and the things that he was saying 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:50.880 for Easy and then Chuck D. But I think when 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:54.600 Cube came about, Cube, I'm excuse me, when Snoop came 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:58.440 about it started putting pressure on on Cube to become 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:01.120 a much better songwriter, you know what I mean. And 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:05.200 I think, obviously, what year did the Predator come out? 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:13.360 The Predator? No, not bro you a little, That's that's Desertalian. 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:15.440 Let me see the Predator. 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:18.200 So the reason I'm saying that is because Snoop started 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:22.800 putting pressure on everything moving in hip hop to become 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:25.400 a better songwriter. Hell you start looking at the ship nah, 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:28.240 start doing like he you know, follow that with if 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:29.640 I Ruled the World, you know, I mean on the 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:33.640 next album. Because Snoop was so paramount as far as 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:35.480 the business went. When it came to retail, he was 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:38.079 on top because he was like this really smooth m 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:42.680 seed that gave you glimpses of special ed but like 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:45.840 still kind of sharp, funny, and he still had a 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:48.320 really good voice when he did his hooks. So I 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:52.640 think we watched QB develop a lot. We watched QB 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:55.760 be this really sharp MC right, and that's what we got. 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:58.520 This Snoop comes along and then he evolves into a 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:01.800 much better songwriter. So I think we're looking at a 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:05.840 style that's been through so many changes in the completeness 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:08.520 that you know, I think shit has just got to 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:12.360 a place where now is like I'm just writing songs. 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:15.880 Well. I don't know if if Snoop is necessarily like 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:19.800 if he put pressure on cue lyrically about everybody, but 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:23.400 Snoop is, for damn sure the biggest superstar ever in 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:27.120 the rap in hip hop period. I don't even know 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:29.880 if it's nobody close, you know, because the impact he had. 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:32.480 You think about it. How many years now he came 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:37.840 in maybe ninety one, ninety two, and he's still just 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:40.200 as relevant as you know, as ever. You know, he's 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:44.480 always he definitely always a step away from putting out 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:47.000 another monster record, Like you remember how he just transitioned. 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:50.000 He put out Sexual Seduction and sexual subduction record and 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:52.160 that fuck work. It was a dope as record. 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:54.559 So this is no Sillings gl in the house. My 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:57.400 nigga Peter Bosh as usual doing what we do. My 0:09:57.440 --> 0:10:02.400 big brother Norman still jumping in. Back to the business. 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:07.360 I look at Snoop like McDonald's like, like, if gangster 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:12.319 rap is burgers and fries, right, ice tea would be 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:17.160 like Ice Tea would be like those diners you know 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:19.600 that you would drive up to in the forties and 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:21.400 the thirties that had burgers and fries, but they had 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:23.080 other shit on the menu, but they had burgers and 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:26.120 fries and they realized everything. 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:28.360 Huh with thick ass milk shakes. 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:31.640 Yeah, that's iced t. Ice T is the first person 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:35.120 to me that made people realize there was some value 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:37.800 in gangster rap. You know, I mean not talking about 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:39.920 shout out to school. He d shout out to everybody 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:42.080 before Ice. But I'm saying the guys to me who 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:45.719 didn't talk about m seeing, who didn't talk about what 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:47.680 their DJ was doing. It was like, no, this is 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:50.040 what's happening with me and my homies. There is no 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:52.720 DJ out here, There is no mc This is just 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:54.560 the life we live, which is the birth of six 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:57.600 in the morning. And I think iced T is the 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:01.520 first guy you know and hip hop that made you 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:04.880 see value in that reality rap, you know, gangster rap, 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:07.480 that life of you know, where you're not just a 0:11:07.559 --> 0:11:10.040 victim of crime or crime is not happening around you, 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:12.320 but you are participanting. You like, I'm just gonna do 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:16.079 what it take to survive and get ahead. So he's 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:18.719 like those diners to me, that really realized there was 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:21.360 going to be business in burgers and fries, burgers and 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:27.880 fries being gangster rap, ice Cube is Whitecastle. He was like, Yo, 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:32.520 I'm not gonna even sell nothing else but burgers and fries. 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:35.920 You know, that's it. I'm not I don't need to 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:38.880 do nothing else but burgers and fries and ice Cube 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:45.640 to me, really, you know, as you know that guy 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:50.200 in gangster rap, he understood how valuable it would be 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:54.560 in the future. Snoop came along and really changed the 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:57.760 way we see burgers and fries completely, you know what 0:11:57.800 --> 0:12:01.080 I'm saying. And the reason I called him McDonald's because 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:04.240 McDonald's built their whole empire off making burgers and fries 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:07.360 fast and disposable. You could just eat them outside that 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:10.000 come in ninety seconds, you could walk, eat it, throw 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:13.080 it away gone. That's Snoop. Snoop made that type of 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:16.320 gangster rap where it was like it was just un 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:19.440 like you needed it, you know what I mean. It 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:24.559 became almost like a social currency to listen to Snoop. Right, 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:28.640 But Snoop also was that same business that over the years. Man, 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:31.319 he's been able to sell you everything. You know, if 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:35.120 gospel you know, that's par phase, you know, pimp rap, 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:37.760 you know, chicken nuggets, you know what I mean. This 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:41.040 motherfucker could sell anything when it comes to music, like 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:46.920 McDonald's could sell anything when it comes to food. What 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:48.000 made you quit rapping? 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:48.400 Big bro? 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:51.679 Like you know what's funny, I've never asked you that. Like, right, 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:54.920 I remember you got the job at the publishing company, right, 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:59.959 so I remember that was paying you before that. I'm 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:02.440 remember you know obviously us going around the country, taking 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:03.240 me out of the country. 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:05.800 I never stopped rapping, No, yes you did. 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:08.040 I just don't never stop writing. 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:11.920 I never. But the thing was, Man, to be honest 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:14.480 with you, I think after do tell me the truth. No, 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:16.600 I'll be honest with you. I'll be to be honest 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:19.800 with you, I stopped rapping bro because I found other 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:22.520 ways to express my creativity that were more fulfilling than 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:25.120 me now where I'm at in life. You understand what 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:26.280 I mean, like I. 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:27.000 Mean back then? 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:31.920 Well, what made me stop rapping bro? Honestly as far 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:34.520 as releasing the albums? Because I never stopped writing, you know, 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:37.240 I never stopped. I just got to rapped this morning, 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:39.360 you know. Actually I always see my play sharp, you know. 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:42.240 I don't think it Soldier ever stopped. You know, are 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:44.000 sharp in his blade even though he ain't going toward 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:45.440 no more, he still stay ready. You know. 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:48.680 But when is the last time you recorded a song? 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:54.120 The last time I recorded a song? Shit, man, damn 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:58.120 two thousand, maybe twenty eleven. 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:04.840 That's crazy to think you haven't recorded the song since 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:06.439 two thoy level you nice nig. 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:09.079 But I've wrote a whole lot of raps though, dog, 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:10.920 with a lot of brilliant raps. And actually I'm thinking 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:12.719 about recording some raps because I want to dim on 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:16.040 the mouth for people now. I really want to demo 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:18.320 some stuff out of people. And I don't never think 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:21.560 you ever truly stopped rapping, man. You know, rapping becomes 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:23.320 like you eating every day dog. 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:28.480 No, not not writing, rapping, going in there cutting the record. 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:31.160 Well you talk about actually the active recording. I still 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:32.080 bust my rhymes. 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:40.520 I still look not shadow boxingar getting in there and recording. Right, 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:43.560 So did you ever feel like you was getting like, Oh, 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:45.600 I'm I'm getting too old to make this shit happen 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:48.400 the way I want to as far as professionally. 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:50.280 You know what, man, you gotta remember the era I 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:53.120 came in. It was different now like now we in 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:55.600 the fifty years of hip hop. Right, so you got 0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:57.680 a whole bunch of old motherfuckers out there rapping it 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:00.800 sound nice too, sound good, look good, and every thing else. Right. 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:05.800 I think my thing was this, bro, I'm not gonna lie. 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:10.200 When you become older, especially back then, motherfuckers look at 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:11.840 you like he was crazy. If you're telling me you 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:15.640 wrap you feel what I'm saying, they look at you 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:17.440 like you like like like what the fuck? Like niggas 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:19.040 you ain't about to go get your ass a job, 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:21.320 but talk about you rep But they don't. They're not 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:24.560 necessarily especially if they're not familiar with your brand. Now, 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:27.320 to the people that knew me from my I was. 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:30.320 Gonna say this, you nigga, You the same age as 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:33.800 Dog you snoop age. That's your era of guys. You 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:36.400 were close to that, you know, you between cube and 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:38.560 corrupting them. Y'all all born around the same time. 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:40.680 See that's the thing. You though them niggas had monster 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:42.840 ass records. I never had a monster record. 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:44.680 So you felt like you hadn't accomplished. 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:48.120 Yeah, I hadn't accomplished what I wanted to so far 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:51.320 in the business, but I did kind of accomplish. I 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:53.040 got to see the world. Man, I got to buy 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:53.360 behind that. 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:58.239 Shipload of money. You know what I'm saying, Pep motherfuckers 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:01.120 because we be an other countries, because motherfuckers be rapping 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:05.960 this nigga shit. Bro, you used to be unbelievable, But 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:10.000 you just felt like that part. The way I feel 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:12.120 about it, the way I look at that age part, 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:14.400 you know what I mean, is I feel like I 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:17.760 always joke with Still or anybody else like I feel like, 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:20.920 as long as you have your thorns, you know, as 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:23.480 a roles, you find the problem is when you start 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:26.200 losing your thorns, Because to me, hip hop is very 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:29.480 much like the upside down, you know what I mean? 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:33.760 And stranger things. It's like this parallel universe of where 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:37.440 you're giving people hip hop, not rap, because rap is mainstream, 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:40.320 like Debbie Harry was rapping a seventy nine on a 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:45.960 Blondie recorder. But hip hop, you know, street urban culture 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:50.560 express through art really requires you know what I mean. 0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:56.479 It's not youth that powers it, right, it's almost inexperience, 0:16:56.600 --> 0:16:58.680 like when you're stuck in the hood and this is 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:01.320 your conversation, you know what I mean. So your lingo 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:04.679 is fitting of the small places you've been around, and 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:06.880 people hear it and they feel like it represents them 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:10.680 in another ghetto, or somebody hears it in Middle America 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:14.360 and be like, damn, this is like really with somebody's life. Like, so, 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:18.679 I don't think. I think the reason agism even came about, 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:22.119 cousin hip hop was because people grow up, get good jobs, 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:26.560 and they no longer live and express themselves through street 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:27.680 urban art measures. 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:29.400 And that's a big part of it. Bro, I lost 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:33.000 my thorns like you talk about lost your thorns, And really. 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:36.960 The funny part is you feel how you feel about 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:41.840 where how successful you wasn't in comparison to your classmates, right, 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:45.960 your peers but literally, you became successful. When I first 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:48.800 met you. You owned your own house, You already had 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:53.199 some cars, you already went through passports, You was making money. 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:56.480 This success is probably more. 0:17:57.840 --> 0:17:59.280 The success is more. 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:03.680 Was it more detriment to your hip hop career than 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:04.320 your age? 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:07.400 You know what? Bro, I actually feel like I don't 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:08.440 think not. 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:10.119 To cut you off, but let me say this. I 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:13.000 don't because being your friend and being one hundred because 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:16.399 we in a barbershop, right, like we didn't have his 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:21.359 barber shop. I never thought you wasn't ever dope. Like 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:24.720 I never heard him was like, oh here he losing it, 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:26.200 not like your pen. 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:31.479 Well exactly, And like I said, I always kept my 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:34.520 blade sharp, right. And I think about it now and 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:36.800 I do have regrets because I think about it. I'm like, man, 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:39.080 I was making cheese and doing what I wanted to. 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:40.960 I said, I should have kept doing that shit, dog, 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:43.359 I should have kept doing it. But it was a 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:45.439 lot going on at that time. I was trying to 0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:47.000 save my marriage. 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:49.480 Oh your son, your son was coming. 0:18:49.400 --> 0:18:51.679 Up in Christmas doing his thing, you know. So I 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:54.520 started becoming more involved in my family, and I. 0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:58.879 Think that's that's forgive me. That's what happens because in 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:04.399 hip hop, like representing the community as important, Now you 0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:06.879 start to become a representation of your family. What do 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:08.280 you think I. 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:10.080 Think that that that You're right. I was gonna say 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:13.400 something similar to a little bit ago, but it's this 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:19.000 is you can extrapolate this to a broader reality of 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:21.280 the human experience in the arc of the life cycle 0:19:21.400 --> 0:19:27.959 and any artistic expression that's rooted in either rebelliousness, counterculture, whatever, 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:30.960 like anything that's like that, as you're saying, it stems 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:34.399 from like I don't understand the system. I feel boxed 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:36.359 out from the system. I want to attack the system. 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:38.240 And then young people have a certain energy, you know, 0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:40.680 like like but as you get older, obviously you get 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:42.600 better and better at the craft, but the energy is 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:44.639 like like Boosy might not be the greatest rap of 0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:47.240 all time, but he conveys an energy, you know, especially 0:19:47.359 --> 0:19:49.560 younger Boosy compared to other guys that might be better 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:51.280 even now. 0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:56.320