Speaker 1: What's up? And welcome back to another episode of No
Speaker 1: Sealer's Podcast with your hosts now fuck that with your
Speaker 1: load glasses Malone. So gonna tell me about that bomb
Speaker 1: you had it for LLL on tape so everybody can
Speaker 1: hear it, including LF.
Speaker 2: All right LLL, so L what about fifty three four
Speaker 2: something like that?
Speaker 1: Now pretty close?
Speaker 3: So he wants to fifty six fifty seven? Cool? Cool? Cool.
Speaker 2: He's been a millionaire about thirty years now, thirty five years.
Speaker 1: Probably longer than that, longer than that. Y's probably been
Speaker 1: a millionaire for about they're in there forty yeah, thirty
Speaker 1: five years. That's probably way because he was getting money.
Speaker 1: He's been getting money for forty years. But he probably
Speaker 1: became a millionaire thirty five years. That's fair.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So he's he wants to still lay down tracks
Speaker 2: and shit. So what's he going to talk about? Like
Speaker 2: how he doesn't like his new driving lawnmower, so we
Speaker 2: had to hire landscapers. So what's the new single. I'll
Speaker 2: let him source you out. Ma'm gonna say, source you out.
Speaker 3: I don't actually think so, bro. I think it has
Speaker 3: a valid point, man. I think that people should rap
Speaker 3: as long as they want to.
Speaker 1: Okay, listen, Steve, before we talk about this, before you
Speaker 1: get on no ceilings. We don't do no political correct
Speaker 1: shit over here.
Speaker 3: It is I think people should rap as long as
Speaker 3: they fucking want you.
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about that I'm saying, but the way
Speaker 1: your voice sounds, he sounded like Steven a fucking Smith,
Speaker 1: because that's not what No Killings is.
Speaker 3: I sound like a podcaster. I sound like.
Speaker 1: This is not for podcasters. Me and Pete are literally
Speaker 1: two motherfucking people from different corners of the earth having
Speaker 1: a great conversation. So we don't have like that professional.
Speaker 1: Lose that professional. Keep that shit for gangster rap chronicles.
Speaker 1: You and eight y'all talk professional. This is the motherfucking barbershop.
Speaker 3: Okay for sure, No eight damn sure, don't talk professional.
Speaker 1: Like a professional. Eight No A be like he don't
Speaker 1: want to talk shit about nobody. A be like super
Speaker 1: like he's a consummant professional, all.
Speaker 2: Heated argument on the blue line. That's what this is.
Speaker 1: This is what this is. Right at the motherfucking Rosa
Speaker 1: Parks Metro station, right at the coy.
Speaker 3: M C. Eight has definitely missed it politically correct. He
Speaker 3: don't want to offend nobody. He don't want to say
Speaker 3: nothing bad about nobody, and you too, So that's I
Speaker 3: don't got no problem with talking about a motherfucker.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you just came in here with that bullshit.
Speaker 1: Ask Steven A Skip.
Speaker 2: Has rubbed off on you like butter or like foundation
Speaker 2: on my shirt?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, I definitely will express whatever is on
Speaker 3: my mind. I will.
Speaker 1: So now tell us again what you were saying about rapping,
Speaker 1: and now we're listening.
Speaker 3: I think as long as the person wants to think,
Speaker 3: as long as an individual wants to rap, he should rap.
Speaker 3: If you don't want to wrap no more, don't wrap
Speaker 3: no more. I don't think egg should ever have nothing
Speaker 3: to do with it. As long as you got bars now,
Speaker 3: I think if you start getting trash, you should put
Speaker 3: that motherfucker mic down.
Speaker 1: Like who got trash?
Speaker 2: I said? Are you a gangster rapper drinking at Starbucks latte?
Speaker 2: Is that what's happening over there?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: I don't even what's crazy is I've never drank coffee
Speaker 1: in my life.
Speaker 2: I couldn't. It was just I just had to. I
Speaker 2: just had to.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, what funny is?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Is I drink all of the black teas. So like,
Speaker 1: so every day, every morning because I wake up or
Speaker 1: like the first thing I try to do. Because I
Speaker 1: started eating one time of day. Right, this makes seventy days.
Speaker 1: Seventy one days. I've been eating once a day, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, between four thirty and eight thirty.
Speaker 1: So I try to start, you know, before I eat,
Speaker 1: I drink like a hot black tea with honey, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Too good for the white teas.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they got white tea cause, but
Speaker 1: that's a great point.
Speaker 3: I just love how those ceilings ask you a question
Speaker 3: on the show, then they go to talking about fucking
Speaker 3: coffee and teas and shit out, yeah.
Speaker 1: Because we don't got that kind of professional shit with
Speaker 1: y'all sit up there in Arsenior Hall. This ain't Arsenio Hall,
Speaker 1: my nigga. This is the motherfucking barbershop. So he was
Speaker 1: asking me about my tea because he knows that would
Speaker 1: be kind of soft for a nigga be drinking lattes.
Speaker 1: And I'm restling of my man Pete that this is
Speaker 1: a black tea. This is an earl gray black tea. Right,
Speaker 1: So I drink chai. The English Royal Breakfast and the
Speaker 1: Earl Gray black tea.
Speaker 2: Gray, it sounds like an old R and B singer
Speaker 2: from the seventies.
Speaker 1: I like, it's sounds like you do buy some fire song.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Earl Gray is actually a really good tea.
Speaker 1: See, and I don't know because you've been to England
Speaker 1: as It's funny because this conversation is dope because we
Speaker 1: really get to say but you know, because you've been
Speaker 1: over there and probably really got Earl Gray from the
Speaker 1: nigga who made Earl Gray. That's like my dad yesterday
Speaker 1: he was telling me he knew Bill from Bill's Taco
Speaker 1: I was like, that's crazy because Bill's Taco to us
Speaker 1: is just like this spot that said these tacos with
Speaker 1: gravy and hamburger Patty's. But that nigga actually knew Bill.
Speaker 3: There's something yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so before I eat, So I'm gonna eat
Speaker 1: at four four thirty as soon as we finish this podcast,
Speaker 1: i'mna eat. You know what I'm eating for today? And
Speaker 1: then I end every night with a U in the middle.
Speaker 1: I usually drink a bird Dock tea and then at
Speaker 1: night I drank a peppermint tea.
Speaker 3: Lovely.
Speaker 1: So I've been drinking three t's a day, really just
Speaker 1: to balance my stomach.
Speaker 3: So you you asked me who has gotten trash in
Speaker 3: the older years.
Speaker 1: No, we didn't really want to answer to that.
Speaker 3: Well, I can tell you the answer to it, but
Speaker 3: that's just my opinion answer. I would ask the question,
Speaker 3: answer the question. I'm not gonna say necessarily trash. But
Speaker 3: I think once you start attaining a certain level of success,
Speaker 3: you can't talk about the same shit you used to
Speaker 3: talk about because you don't have them same inspirations. I
Speaker 3: don't think Cubs as potent as he once was. You know,
Speaker 3: cubanous man.
Speaker 2: Is ducking this conversation almost like pleading the Fifth Ward Amendment.
Speaker 1: Definitely, But but this is so Q specifically right, and
Speaker 1: this is important even talking about somebody that's that's came
Speaker 1: up and them seeing So this is what I think
Speaker 1: happened with Ice Q. I think Ice cute. You know
Speaker 1: what's crazy. I always say this. I don't think Snoop
Speaker 1: gets enough credit for what he's done in hip hop
Speaker 1: and me and you have had this argument still behind
Speaker 1: closed doors a million Timeste. You kind of know where
Speaker 1: I feel, and I've said this multiple times. I think
Speaker 1: Snoop Dogg is the greatest hip hop artists. People thought
Speaker 1: this because he was a crib or we some kind
Speaker 1: of friendly. Like me and Snoop's relationship really just kind
Speaker 1: of came into a place to where I feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, he cares if I'm successful or not. I
Speaker 1: really didn't think Snoop gave two fucks about me when
Speaker 1: I came up, so it didn't matter that I was
Speaker 1: a crip or he knew my older homies, none of that. Like,
Speaker 1: he didn't really show any interest and to none of
Speaker 1: us when we came up in two thousand and five, six, seven, eight,
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. But I think when Snoop
Speaker 1: stepped in the game, a lot of the ways we
Speaker 1: looked at him scene right. He put a different pressure
Speaker 1: on every artist to change how they mc and to
Speaker 1: become better songwriters. Like Snoop is one of the first
Speaker 1: artists right when he first came about that he was
Speaker 1: like a complete songwriter. And don't get me wrong, obviously
Speaker 1: DC is a huge you know, like training wheels for Snoop,
Speaker 1: Like DC kept him in you know, the pockets and
Speaker 1: explaining songwriting bars and all the completeness that makes a
Speaker 1: really great rap record, a great rap record, But Snoop
Speaker 1: innately was that outside of the fact he was skilled.
Speaker 1: So I think when we remember hearing Cube from you know,
Speaker 1: obviously eighty seven to ninety two, we heard this super
Speaker 1: consonant EMC that was influenced by you know, EASYE and
Speaker 1: writing for him and the things that he was saying
Speaker 1: for Easy and then Chuck D. But I think when
Speaker 1: Cube came about, Cube, I'm excuse me, when Snoop came
Speaker 1: about it started putting pressure on on Cube to become
Speaker 1: a much better songwriter, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: I think, obviously, what year did the Predator come out?
Speaker 3: The Predator? No, not bro you a little, That's that's Desertalian.
Speaker 3: Let me see the Predator.
Speaker 1: So the reason I'm saying that is because Snoop started
Speaker 1: putting pressure on everything moving in hip hop to become
Speaker 1: a better songwriter. Hell you start looking at the ship nah,
Speaker 1: start doing like he you know, follow that with if
Speaker 1: I Ruled the World, you know, I mean on the
Speaker 1: next album. Because Snoop was so paramount as far as
Speaker 1: the business went. When it came to retail, he was
Speaker 1: on top because he was like this really smooth m
Speaker 1: seed that gave you glimpses of special ed but like
Speaker 1: still kind of sharp, funny, and he still had a
Speaker 1: really good voice when he did his hooks. So I
Speaker 1: think we watched QB develop a lot. We watched QB
Speaker 1: be this really sharp MC right, and that's what we got.
Speaker 1: This Snoop comes along and then he evolves into a
Speaker 1: much better songwriter. So I think we're looking at a
Speaker 1: style that's been through so many changes in the completeness
Speaker 1: that you know, I think shit has just got to
Speaker 1: a place where now is like I'm just writing songs.
Speaker 3: Well. I don't know if if Snoop is necessarily like
Speaker 3: if he put pressure on cue lyrically about everybody, but
Speaker 3: Snoop is, for damn sure the biggest superstar ever in
Speaker 3: the rap in hip hop period. I don't even know
Speaker 3: if it's nobody close, you know, because the impact he had.
Speaker 3: You think about it. How many years now he came
Speaker 3: in maybe ninety one, ninety two, and he's still just
Speaker 3: as relevant as you know, as ever. You know, he's
Speaker 3: always he definitely always a step away from putting out
Speaker 3: another monster record, Like you remember how he just transitioned.
Speaker 3: He put out Sexual Seduction and sexual subduction record and
Speaker 3: that fuck work. It was a dope as record.
Speaker 1: So this is no Sillings gl in the house. My
Speaker 1: nigga Peter Bosh as usual doing what we do. My
Speaker 1: big brother Norman still jumping in. Back to the business.
Speaker 1: I look at Snoop like McDonald's like, like, if gangster
Speaker 1: rap is burgers and fries, right, ice tea would be
Speaker 1: like Ice Tea would be like those diners you know
Speaker 1: that you would drive up to in the forties and
Speaker 1: the thirties that had burgers and fries, but they had
Speaker 1: other shit on the menu, but they had burgers and
Speaker 1: fries and they realized everything.
Speaker 3: Huh with thick ass milk shakes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's iced t. Ice T is the first person
Speaker 1: to me that made people realize there was some value
Speaker 1: in gangster rap. You know, I mean not talking about
Speaker 1: shout out to school. He d shout out to everybody
Speaker 1: before Ice. But I'm saying the guys to me who
Speaker 1: didn't talk about m seeing, who didn't talk about what
Speaker 1: their DJ was doing. It was like, no, this is
Speaker 1: what's happening with me and my homies. There is no
Speaker 1: DJ out here, There is no mc This is just
Speaker 1: the life we live, which is the birth of six
Speaker 1: in the morning. And I think iced T is the
Speaker 1: first guy you know and hip hop that made you
Speaker 1: see value in that reality rap, you know, gangster rap,
Speaker 1: that life of you know, where you're not just a
Speaker 1: victim of crime or crime is not happening around you,
Speaker 1: but you are participanting. You like, I'm just gonna do
Speaker 1: what it take to survive and get ahead. So he's
Speaker 1: like those diners to me, that really realized there was
Speaker 1: going to be business in burgers and fries, burgers and
Speaker 1: fries being gangster rap, ice Cube is Whitecastle. He was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna even sell nothing else but burgers and fries.
Speaker 1: You know, that's it. I'm not I don't need to
Speaker 1: do nothing else but burgers and fries and ice Cube
Speaker 1: to me, really, you know, as you know that guy
Speaker 1: in gangster rap, he understood how valuable it would be
Speaker 1: in the future. Snoop came along and really changed the
Speaker 1: way we see burgers and fries completely, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And the reason I called him McDonald's because
Speaker 1: McDonald's built their whole empire off making burgers and fries
Speaker 1: fast and disposable. You could just eat them outside that
Speaker 1: come in ninety seconds, you could walk, eat it, throw
Speaker 1: it away gone. That's Snoop. Snoop made that type of
Speaker 1: gangster rap where it was like it was just un
Speaker 1: like you needed it, you know what I mean. It
Speaker 1: became almost like a social currency to listen to Snoop. Right,
Speaker 1: But Snoop also was that same business that over the years. Man,
Speaker 1: he's been able to sell you everything. You know, if
Speaker 1: gospel you know, that's par phase, you know, pimp rap,
Speaker 1: you know, chicken nuggets, you know what I mean. This
Speaker 1: motherfucker could sell anything when it comes to music, like
Speaker 1: McDonald's could sell anything when it comes to food. What
Speaker 1: made you quit rapping?
Speaker 3: Big bro?
Speaker 1: Like you know what's funny, I've never asked you that. Like, right,
Speaker 1: I remember you got the job at the publishing company, right,
Speaker 1: so I remember that was paying you before that. I'm
Speaker 1: remember you know obviously us going around the country, taking
Speaker 1: me out of the country.
Speaker 3: I never stopped rapping, No, yes you did.
Speaker 1: I just don't never stop writing.
Speaker 3: I never. But the thing was, Man, to be honest
Speaker 3: with you, I think after do tell me the truth. No,
Speaker 3: I'll be honest with you. I'll be to be honest
Speaker 3: with you, I stopped rapping bro because I found other
Speaker 3: ways to express my creativity that were more fulfilling than
Speaker 3: me now where I'm at in life. You understand what
Speaker 3: I mean, like I.
Speaker 1: Mean back then?
Speaker 3: Well, what made me stop rapping bro? Honestly as far
Speaker 3: as releasing the albums? Because I never stopped writing, you know,
Speaker 3: I never stopped. I just got to rapped this morning,
Speaker 3: you know. Actually I always see my play sharp, you know.
Speaker 3: I don't think it Soldier ever stopped. You know, are
Speaker 3: sharp in his blade even though he ain't going toward
Speaker 3: no more, he still stay ready. You know.
Speaker 1: But when is the last time you recorded a song?
Speaker 3: The last time I recorded a song? Shit, man, damn
Speaker 3: two thousand, maybe twenty eleven.
Speaker 1: That's crazy to think you haven't recorded the song since
Speaker 1: two thoy level you nice nig.
Speaker 3: But I've wrote a whole lot of raps though, dog,
Speaker 3: with a lot of brilliant raps. And actually I'm thinking
Speaker 3: about recording some raps because I want to dim on
Speaker 3: the mouth for people now. I really want to demo
Speaker 3: some stuff out of people. And I don't never think
Speaker 3: you ever truly stopped rapping, man. You know, rapping becomes
Speaker 3: like you eating every day dog.
Speaker 1: No, not not writing, rapping, going in there cutting the record.
Speaker 3: Well you talk about actually the active recording. I still
Speaker 3: bust my rhymes.
Speaker 1: I still look not shadow boxingar getting in there and recording. Right,
Speaker 1: So did you ever feel like you was getting like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm getting too old to make this shit happen
Speaker 1: the way I want to as far as professionally.
Speaker 3: You know what, man, you gotta remember the era I
Speaker 3: came in. It was different now like now we in
Speaker 3: the fifty years of hip hop. Right, so you got
Speaker 3: a whole bunch of old motherfuckers out there rapping it
Speaker 3: sound nice too, sound good, look good, and every thing else. Right.
Speaker 3: I think my thing was this, bro, I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 3: When you become older, especially back then, motherfuckers look at
Speaker 3: you like he was crazy. If you're telling me you
Speaker 3: wrap you feel what I'm saying, they look at you
Speaker 3: like you like like like what the fuck? Like niggas
Speaker 3: you ain't about to go get your ass a job,
Speaker 3: but talk about you rep But they don't. They're not
Speaker 3: necessarily especially if they're not familiar with your brand. Now,
Speaker 3: to the people that knew me from my I was.
Speaker 1: Gonna say this, you nigga, You the same age as
Speaker 1: Dog you snoop age. That's your era of guys. You
Speaker 1: were close to that, you know, you between cube and
Speaker 1: corrupting them. Y'all all born around the same time.
Speaker 3: See that's the thing. You though them niggas had monster
Speaker 3: ass records. I never had a monster record.
Speaker 1: So you felt like you hadn't accomplished.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hadn't accomplished what I wanted to so far
Speaker 3: in the business, but I did kind of accomplish. I
Speaker 3: got to see the world. Man, I got to buy
Speaker 3: behind that.
Speaker 1: Shipload of money. You know what I'm saying, Pep motherfuckers
Speaker 1: because we be an other countries, because motherfuckers be rapping
Speaker 1: this nigga shit. Bro, you used to be unbelievable, But
Speaker 1: you just felt like that part. The way I feel
Speaker 1: about it, the way I look at that age part,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, is I feel like I
Speaker 1: always joke with Still or anybody else like I feel like,
Speaker 1: as long as you have your thorns, you know, as
Speaker 1: a roles, you find the problem is when you start
Speaker 1: losing your thorns, Because to me, hip hop is very
Speaker 1: much like the upside down, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And stranger things. It's like this parallel universe of where
Speaker 1: you're giving people hip hop, not rap, because rap is mainstream,
Speaker 1: like Debbie Harry was rapping a seventy nine on a
Speaker 1: Blondie recorder. But hip hop, you know, street urban culture
Speaker 1: express through art really requires you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's not youth that powers it, right, it's almost inexperience,
Speaker 1: like when you're stuck in the hood and this is
Speaker 1: your conversation, you know what I mean. So your lingo
Speaker 1: is fitting of the small places you've been around, and
Speaker 1: people hear it and they feel like it represents them
Speaker 1: in another ghetto, or somebody hears it in Middle America
Speaker 1: and be like, damn, this is like really with somebody's life. Like, so,
Speaker 1: I don't think. I think the reason agism even came about,
Speaker 1: cousin hip hop was because people grow up, get good jobs,
Speaker 1: and they no longer live and express themselves through street
Speaker 1: urban art measures.
Speaker 3: And that's a big part of it. Bro, I lost
Speaker 3: my thorns like you talk about lost your thorns, And really.
Speaker 1: The funny part is you feel how you feel about
Speaker 1: where how successful you wasn't in comparison to your classmates, right,
Speaker 1: your peers but literally, you became successful. When I first
Speaker 1: met you. You owned your own house, You already had
Speaker 1: some cars, you already went through passports, You was making money.
Speaker 1: This success is probably more.
Speaker 3: The success is more.
Speaker 1: Was it more detriment to your hip hop career than
Speaker 1: your age?
Speaker 3: You know what? Bro, I actually feel like I don't
Speaker 3: think not.
Speaker 1: To cut you off, but let me say this. I
Speaker 1: don't because being your friend and being one hundred because
Speaker 1: we in a barbershop, right, like we didn't have his
Speaker 1: barber shop. I never thought you wasn't ever dope. Like
Speaker 1: I never heard him was like, oh here he losing it,
Speaker 1: not like your pen.
Speaker 3: Well exactly, And like I said, I always kept my
Speaker 3: blade sharp, right. And I think about it now and
Speaker 3: I do have regrets because I think about it. I'm like, man,
Speaker 3: I was making cheese and doing what I wanted to.
Speaker 3: I said, I should have kept doing that shit, dog,
Speaker 3: I should have kept doing it. But it was a
Speaker 3: lot going on at that time. I was trying to
Speaker 3: save my marriage.
Speaker 1: Oh your son, your son was coming.
Speaker 3: Up in Christmas doing his thing, you know. So I
Speaker 3: started becoming more involved in my family, and I.
Speaker 1: Think that's that's forgive me. That's what happens because in
Speaker 1: hip hop, like representing the community as important, Now you
Speaker 1: start to become a representation of your family. What do
Speaker 1: you think I.
Speaker 2: Think that that that You're right. I was gonna say
Speaker 2: something similar to a little bit ago, but it's this
Speaker 2: is you can extrapolate this to a broader reality of
Speaker 2: the human experience in the arc of the life cycle
Speaker 2: and any artistic expression that's rooted in either rebelliousness, counterculture, whatever,
Speaker 2: like anything that's like that, as you're saying, it stems
Speaker 2: from like I don't understand the system. I feel boxed
Speaker 2: out from the system. I want to attack the system.
Speaker 2: And then young people have a certain energy, you know,
Speaker 2: like like but as you get older, obviously you get
Speaker 2: better and better at the craft, but the energy is
Speaker 2: like like Boosy might not be the greatest rap of
Speaker 2: all time, but he conveys an energy, you know, especially
Speaker 2: younger Boosy compared to other guys that might be better
Speaker 2: even now.
Speaker 1: It's it's a real energy about that country model there is.
Speaker 2: It's it's hard to sustain that out of your twenties
Speaker 2: into your thirties and forties. This is the reality, and
Speaker 2: like what you see in like Metallica is the greatest
Speaker 2: metal band of all time. There are like this, all
Speaker 2: those old counterculture hippie bands or whatever. They No one
Speaker 2: wants to hear the fifteenth album from Crosby, Stills and Nash.
Speaker 2: That shit's retarded, you know what I mean. They're gonna
Speaker 2: tour it, but the crowd's gonna sit there and endure
Speaker 2: it until the songs.
Speaker 1: They will come on the way for the cut.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think you make a point, valid point, Peter.
Speaker 3: I think you get we live in a day now
Speaker 3: right to where everybody can express their opinions freely. Like
Speaker 3: they can hit a motherfucker up on Instagram directly now,
Speaker 3: whether they see it or not, of whether that artists
Speaker 3: acknowledges that person's common or not, it's a whole nother thing, right,
Speaker 3: But they can reach out everybody in real time. And
Speaker 3: I think the biggest thing whenever you do something that's
Speaker 3: outside the norm of a regular profession in this country,
Speaker 3: I think people feel like they have a right to invade.
Speaker 2: Your privacy and like, imagine this, right, people getting a
Speaker 2: little tired of like the Vixen female rappers when they've
Speaker 2: been around a little longer when they got a couple
Speaker 2: kids and they're a little older, because not yet.
Speaker 3: Well, it's definitely for a female. It's way harder for
Speaker 3: a female because if I decided today to start rapping again,
Speaker 3: I don't know how it will be received, But I
Speaker 3: think I would put out some dope ass shit. I
Speaker 3: would put out something underniable that they couldn't deny. I
Speaker 3: think I would have an easier time getting accepted versus
Speaker 3: a female that's fifty three, got grand kids and shit
Speaker 3: like that. I don't know who would take that serious, well.
Speaker 2: Exactly unless I mean, at the same time, though, there's
Speaker 2: not a lot of fifty year old active gang bangers
Speaker 2: on the street corner that's really with it the way
Speaker 2: that the nineteen year old's with it, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. Like, that's that's kind of a novelty.
Speaker 3: Well, tray D makes tray D is the classic example
Speaker 3: of a dude that wears his age very well.
Speaker 2: He's I was going to say the exact opposite.
Speaker 3: He wears age very well. He talks about he talks
Speaker 3: from a where he should be. He talks how he
Speaker 3: should be talking as a man in his age.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3: That's it. Don't sounds juveniles. He's actually very vivid, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. He's telling you what it is, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The way he carry yourself, he don't carry yourself like
Speaker 3: no clown. You don't never see him on the internet
Speaker 3: doing no goofy shit versus some of his other peers.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't even say that his peers. But we got
Speaker 3: the generation of fifty somethings that like they're sixteen now.
Speaker 2: On thousand percent, that's true. I mean, like I would
Speaker 2: like to take out is cracking a little too much
Speaker 2: on Sundays for the exciting brunch, you know.
Speaker 3: And I would like to think that I evolved from
Speaker 3: the time I was. I think what hip hop does
Speaker 3: to people sometimes, especially people that keep rapping, is they
Speaker 3: kind of stay stuck in his cycle. And I'm talking
Speaker 3: about the more successful people, right, like the guy that
Speaker 3: may have been on tour since he was seventeen years old,
Speaker 3: and they know then they don't go experience life outside
Speaker 3: of that rap shit, Right. It can definitely keep some
Speaker 3: motherfucker stunning. It's like an immobilarity to that almost wouldn't
Speaker 3: you agreed.
Speaker 2: On g.
Speaker 3: And I'm just about the guy like you gotta think
Speaker 3: about it, Snoop. Snoop is actually one thing I play
Speaker 3: off Snoop on is that he's been able to integrate
Speaker 3: his personal life with him being dog and not losing nothing.
Speaker 3: Like this motherfucker actually coach his kids playing football. He's
Speaker 3: actually a regular motherfucker like that, actually goes back to
Speaker 3: the city and does regular shit. Like Snoop is actually
Speaker 3: the most regular fucking superstar him the Warrings, he is
Speaker 3: the two most regular superstars I've ever met in my life.
Speaker 1: So this is my thought on that, right, And this
Speaker 1: is why I say that, right is being a representative
Speaker 1: of street urban culture. Like that's the cornerstone in hip hop, Right,
Speaker 1: that's the cornerstone representing it. The difference with Snoop and
Speaker 1: most people, Snoop never stopped being a cryp never, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And that's really kind of what
Speaker 1: being a crip is all about. Like people ask me, oh, man, Glass,
Speaker 1: you're forty now, you know, how could you be a crypt?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, what do you like imagine telling the general?
Speaker 1: How do you be a general at forty or fifty,
Speaker 1: you know, or lieutenant or anybody else that.
Speaker 2: Generals rotate over to raytheon, hang up the stripes, and
Speaker 2: go cash in on the you know, on the big
Speaker 2: contract money.
Speaker 1: Yeah what they do when they sixty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they don't turn general to their fifty.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's the problem. Like, So, so what I'm saying
Speaker 1: to you is you never well it's multiple things, right,
Speaker 1: you never stop being who you are. Like if you're
Speaker 1: a real cryp, it's who you are. It's not really yo,
Speaker 1: it don't mean anything outside of you. You set your
Speaker 1: own rules. Like, I think what happens to people is
Speaker 1: economically they start to make money, or to me, the
Speaker 1: most important things, they have kids, So they want the
Speaker 1: world to be different. Even if they don't think the
Speaker 1: world has gotten better, they need to convince themselves the
Speaker 1: world has gotten better because they have children now, so
Speaker 1: they want to put out a certain image out to
Speaker 1: their children to hopefully raise a better version of themselves.
Speaker 1: So I think, like people ask me all the time,
Speaker 1: like me and still talking, I've heard still ask me
Speaker 1: why haven't he think? Why haven't I lost my thorns?
Speaker 1: Like I don't have children, so there's no reason to
Speaker 1: force evolve a thought. I don't have to force evolution.
Speaker 1: I can be as callous and honest as I want
Speaker 1: to be. I can say whatever the fuck I want
Speaker 1: because I'm not gonna embarrass anybody. The only person I
Speaker 1: can embarrass at that point is Leonard Alfred Lampkin, a singer,
Speaker 1: and he is not easily embarrassed. My dad is not
Speaker 1: easily embarrassed. My mom is no longer, you know, around
Speaker 1: me to embarrass her. My grandparents are no longer around
Speaker 1: for me to embarrassed them by saying the truth, because
Speaker 1: the truth can be a bit embarrassing. So even on
Speaker 1: the eve right now, on the eve of cancel these nuts,
Speaker 1: it's like, the attitude is there, there's no reason for
Speaker 1: me to. I don't think Still ever lost how he felt.
Speaker 1: I still think Ryan still, even in two thousand and ten,
Speaker 1: felt how we felt the same about certain things. But
Speaker 1: I think as he started looking at Chris, I really
Speaker 1: feel like, honestly, Chris is what made him evolve out of,
Speaker 1: you know, the concept of how we talk. Because at
Speaker 1: that point, now you're looking at somebody you're trying to
Speaker 1: bring into the world, and you're like, hold up, I
Speaker 1: can't just be as raw as I used to be
Speaker 1: because I need my son to grow up you know
Speaker 1: with some sense, Wat's up with it? G l A
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Speaker 2: Still let me ask you something, is there a parallel
Speaker 2: between say, your arc of development intellectually whatever, et cetera,
Speaker 2: just as you as the years are gone by, Like
Speaker 2: now we look at say, all these seventy some year
Speaker 2: old geriatric politicians. They were the hippie activists in nineteen
Speaker 2: sixty seven. They're they're just old now. So they went
Speaker 2: from being anti the system to now being the system
Speaker 2: that's squeezing the grape dry. So how much of is
Speaker 2: there a pivot for you between going from having an
Speaker 2: energy that's like I don't understand the system to now
Speaker 2: I can. I do understand the system, and I can
Speaker 2: make the system work for me.
Speaker 3: You know, you know what they're This is how I feel, Peter,
Speaker 3: and this is where I'm at in life right now.
Speaker 3: I really like I can do anything now, Like I'm
Speaker 3: in my prime intellectually, you know, my prime intellectually. My
Speaker 3: physical health is not bad. It's not optimal, you know,
Speaker 3: it's not you know, I'm not twenty.
Speaker 1: Two, you know, check engine, like come on and never
Speaker 1: will Yeah, you just.
Speaker 3: Never go off. But I'm a lot and I'm in
Speaker 3: a lot better place than some of my peers, you know,
Speaker 3: guys my age. Right, I go to the gym, my
Speaker 3: left weights, I work out three or four times a week.
Speaker 3: Now I've actually got my weight down, my high blood
Speaker 3: pressures under control. So you definitely become more conscious on
Speaker 3: the physical side of yourself, you know, in the physical
Speaker 3: and mental you just become a lot more aware of things,
Speaker 3: Like I honestly think you spend a portion in your
Speaker 3: life as a man trying to figure out who the
Speaker 3: fuck you are as a person, you know, because you
Speaker 3: go through different changes. And that was one of the
Speaker 3: things that I would have these really bad panic attacks,
Speaker 3: not really necessarily panic attacks. But I've been with my
Speaker 3: wife since I was nineteen years old, right, and so
Speaker 3: I always saw this thing to where I just looked
Speaker 3: at as one day and I said, we just kind
Speaker 3: of just moving through life, and everything is evolved around
Speaker 3: these kids. What happens when these kids leave, is me
Speaker 3: and her still gonna be cool. So I started really,
Speaker 3: I started really making a conscious effort to be her husband,
Speaker 3: you feel what I mean, instead of just being somebody's daddy.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, I'm her husband. We just
Speaker 3: we not roommates living together taking care of some kids.
Speaker 3: We are actually a couple. This is why we got together,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. That's why I always encourage
Speaker 3: people when they do get together, to stain from having
Speaker 3: kids as long as they can and actually build up
Speaker 3: that relationship with y'all, you know what I mean, because
Speaker 3: that's what it's all about. At the end of the day,
Speaker 3: ain't about them fucking kids like that, but they go
Speaker 3: going with their life. You gotta think.
Speaker 1: About it, and if you try to tell them about
Speaker 1: they love, like they gonna tell your sorry ass to
Speaker 1: mind your fucking business.
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, but they gonna be all up in yours.
Speaker 3: If you arguing with their mama, they gonna have fifty
Speaker 3: different opinions on our conversation should be going right. But
Speaker 3: I think, man, I definitely see what you're saying, Peter,
Speaker 3: and I think you just definitely become just more conscious
Speaker 3: of yourself and you realize you got limited time because
Speaker 3: my thing is now, I'm not doing nothing small. I'm
Speaker 3: not wasting no time with no small I'm not interested
Speaker 3: in no job. I'm not interested in none of that shit.
Speaker 3: I'm interested in going as hard as we possibly can
Speaker 3: to build what we gonna build. Because once you get
Speaker 3: on the other side of fifty, you start realizing what
Speaker 3: shit I don't got. I don't feel like I got
Speaker 3: infinite time.
Speaker 1: No more there.
Speaker 3: You know, not that I'm just amskin.
Speaker 2: I didn't feel like that since I was twenty nine,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: What I'm saying. But yeah, some people do get that
Speaker 3: feeling early. It's like it's a bigger sense of urgency
Speaker 3: for me now, Like I don't have time to bullshit,
Speaker 3: I don't have time to bullshit with bullshit people. I'm
Speaker 3: more in the place right now. And I used to
Speaker 3: always think old people was mean when they be real
Speaker 3: direct with people like no, I ain't interested in that shit.
Speaker 3: They not being mean. They just at that place now
Speaker 3: where them shit with nobody now because I used to
Speaker 3: be the nice person, even if up to three years ago,
Speaker 3: I used to be the nice motherfucker all the time.
Speaker 3: Now it's like, man, I ain't got time for that shit. Well,
Speaker 3: I don't want to do it, as simple as that,
Speaker 3: Like I don't have time for it, and I you know,
Speaker 3: I tell a motherfucker quickly. Well, man, you like I
Speaker 3: called Nash you to do something? You calling me ask
Speaker 3: me something.
Speaker 1: What do you feel about NAS's like his sixth album
Speaker 1: run with hit Boy.
Speaker 3: I think that's incredible, man, I think that's dope. Man.
Speaker 3: I think Nas is like the example of I think
Speaker 3: Naves and Snoop is like the example of people that's aging, gracefully,
Speaker 3: dog doing what they do. Because if you ever noticed,
Speaker 3: Knives don't never vary from what he do, Like this
Speaker 3: is a very inst for him hooking up with hit Boy.
Speaker 3: You know, Nives is usually over some you know, Primo
Speaker 3: beats over some what's my over over some Pete rock
Speaker 3: shit like that, you know what I'm saying. But he's
Speaker 3: ventured out hip pit boy in the experiment and they
Speaker 3: having fun, and I think that's what hip hop should be. Dog.
Speaker 3: I think that's what hip hop should be actually seeing
Speaker 3: the shit knives doing.
Speaker 2: Dog.
Speaker 3: I've thought about releasing the album's Dog, not really necessarily
Speaker 3: just based on me rapping on every song, but me
Speaker 3: producing some of the shit. I may write some of
Speaker 3: the shit, I may actually say some of the shit,
Speaker 3: but just me, it's like painting a picture. Dog. Okay,
Speaker 3: this is what I feel like putting out to the world. Now.
Speaker 3: I don't give a fuck up this shit do five
Speaker 3: hundred streams of five hundred million. I'm just putting it
Speaker 3: out there. This is gonna be my gift to the
Speaker 3: world because the one blessing I think that we got
Speaker 3: as artists and the Creator's Dog is that we get
Speaker 3: to leave our legacy on the wall. These are these
Speaker 3: is our motherfucking hieroglyphics, so to speak. You know how
Speaker 3: motherfucker could go back to the pyramids and see what
Speaker 3: the motherfucker was thinking. However, many millions of years ago,
Speaker 3: you are going to actually look back and see what
Speaker 3: your thought process was. So I said, Man, do I
Speaker 3: actually want a motherfucker when he see my hieroglyphic to
Speaker 3: think that a fucking song called Bubba Pomps for some
Speaker 3: bullshit like that was what was on my mind back then,
Speaker 3: because I think I had way more depth than that.
Speaker 3: I would like a motherfucker to know who I truly am.
Speaker 1: Wrong with an Ass still, but I'm just seeing it
Speaker 1: over about that.
Speaker 3: But you feel what I'm saying, Like, like, I understand
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Bro, there's nothing wrong with that. I'm
Speaker 3: a big fan of ASS, very big fan, but sound
Speaker 3: like but the thing is this, though I love ASS,
Speaker 3: I think us as creators, Bro, we're actually leaving our
Speaker 3: hieroglyphics for people to see. We actually get to do that,
Speaker 3: versus a person that's living their life like, Okay, they
Speaker 3: go to college and they realize after they get that
Speaker 3: degree that they just been robbed. Is that degree ain't
Speaker 3: really shit unless you got a network to go along
Speaker 3: with it, right, You know, there's plenty of motherfuckers to
Speaker 3: graduate and wind up getting a job at Walmart and
Speaker 3: going through the management trainee program and be there for
Speaker 3: forty years of their life. Right, I think the person
Speaker 3: that dares the dream is in a way better place
Speaker 3: dog than that person, because that person's pretty much just
Speaker 3: prepared itself to go lay in the casket. To me,
Speaker 3: almost I've seen it all the time. But people, they
Speaker 3: they graduate, they got this expectation of where it ain't
Speaker 3: their expectation. They want to please everybody else, they ain't
Speaker 3: really trying to please theyself. Instead of them following their dreams,
Speaker 3: they go get this job and they wind up saying, Okay,
Speaker 3: this is gonna be a temporary thing, but it winds
Speaker 3: up being permanent because it gives them a false sense
Speaker 3: of security that Okay, I have this job right now.
Speaker 3: These people like me. I'm accepted by them until they
Speaker 3: come and tell you ask one day that they letting
Speaker 3: you go. And then you realize, well, damn we not
Speaker 3: as school as I'm very dispensable. You feel what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's ninety five percent of the human experience is
Speaker 2: defined by followers and people who are not risk takers.
Speaker 2: Leaders and risk takers are only one in twenty at most,
Speaker 2: probably one in one hundred.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's like one thousand.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so, bro, because you know, I remember
Speaker 3: my mom, my mom, and my wife is so much
Speaker 3: like it's scary, and I think it's just women things.
Speaker 3: Women just like security and safety, right, even if it
Speaker 3: is faith. Right. I remember my mom telling me one
Speaker 3: day when I was talking about coming in California, she
Speaker 3: came home with an application all happy. She knew somebody
Speaker 3: whose son was a district manager for Burger King. Betty's
Speaker 3: son said he can get you in the management training
Speaker 3: these program up there. They gonna send you the community
Speaker 3: college and you go go do this and you And
Speaker 3: I was looking at her, like, are you crazy? You
Speaker 3: think I want to stay up here and ohio on
Speaker 3: work at the fucking Burger King. Now, there's nothing wrong
Speaker 3: with that. I got mine, I got. I'm like, you
Speaker 3: don't you really lost lost because in my mind I'm
Speaker 3: thinking about going out to state. My thing is, she
Speaker 3: got to tell you. And I told Darley, shout out
Speaker 3: to the homegirl, Darlene nortiz Man. She's a beautiful person. Man,
Speaker 3: cool lady, real cool lady. Right.
Speaker 1: I met Darlene Ice Tea first baby mama.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Ice Tea's first baby mama, and we got the
Speaker 3: talking and I said, Darlene, you know you're part of
Speaker 3: the reasons I came to California. She said, how's that?
Speaker 3: I said, my friend had the album cover.
Speaker 1: Oh with her on the cover with her and the.
Speaker 3: Cover in ice tea, and you.
Speaker 1: Can all the women look like no, but I saw it.
Speaker 3: Was just the whole image. It wouldn't just hurt. See,
Speaker 3: it was like a lifestyle. Ice was something right. That
Speaker 3: motherfucker was fresh as a motherfucker. Dog it's home over there,
Speaker 3: had the money in the strap and shit, and he
Speaker 3: had bat ass broad.
Speaker 1: He came out here and got you at Darlee. That's
Speaker 1: what I said.
Speaker 3: One song I had, I said on the one song
Speaker 3: I wrote, I forget what it was. I said, I
Speaker 3: want a gun. I said, I want a chain with
Speaker 3: a gun and the bad bits like iceed tea. That's
Speaker 3: what I wanted, dog. I wanted that lifestyle. It was
Speaker 3: just so much bigger than life. And then I looked
Speaker 3: around when I saw the album cover. I'm like this
Speaker 3: nigga out here in palm trees with this bad woman
Speaker 3: dog got money, and I look at these motherfucking brick ass,
Speaker 3: gray ass guys on me. I'm like, I'm out this motherfucker.
Speaker 1: What's crazy is I think Ice Tea, Snoop Dogg, and
Speaker 1: Too Short are who they are. And I think everybody
Speaker 1: that gets in the hip hop they want their personality
Speaker 1: to be as accepted. But the problem is Snoop, Iced
Speaker 1: Tea and Too Short are the They're like the mascots,
Speaker 1: like the exact representation of street urban culture. Like right now,
Speaker 1: when you watch SVU cuz it's a ice tea, ice
Speaker 1: t is sixty five years old at this point, that
Speaker 1: nigga is still iceed Tea and that's the problem. Like,
Speaker 1: like as somebody who have conversations with og cuz that
Speaker 1: nigga is for real ized Tea. Snoop is really Snoop,
Speaker 1: Like right now when I talk to you're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: what up, cuz blah blah, Like he that's who he is.
Speaker 1: And really it's how it ages. Like, you know, some
Speaker 1: people ask like do you think, like how are you
Speaker 1: still a gang bang? And I'm like, well, if you
Speaker 1: think gang banging is stupid, you would never understand it.
Speaker 1: So if you like, oh, you know, how do you
Speaker 1: represent your community still? How do you represent your friends
Speaker 1: and family?
Speaker 3: Still?
Speaker 1: Like it's all a part of the same thing to me, like, really.
Speaker 2: He's the only guy who's changed. Naw, He's the only
Speaker 2: person now on the film side that's Curtis fifty cent Jackson.
Speaker 2: Everybody else is the same.
Speaker 1: Because Fifth really Fifth ohill never be able to watch
Speaker 1: that shit all for him. He's just gonna be that
Speaker 1: type of nigga for the rest of his life. He's
Speaker 1: almost like them niggas, is them with a pride, that
Speaker 1: nigga shit Fifth fifty that's stained on him, Like I
Speaker 1: believe genuinely in my heart he wants to evolving to
Speaker 1: somebody else, but like he is that nigga, like he
Speaker 1: is with that bullshit all the time to the day
Speaker 1: he dies. So I look at other other people that's
Speaker 1: in hip hop, like the guys that I grew up.
Speaker 1: Scarface is another guy. Scar Face always been a preacher.
Speaker 1: It was always going to work for him. Scarface put
Speaker 1: out autum right now is gonna work out for him
Speaker 1: because Scarface was a preacher the first day, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's just the guys to me, like,
Speaker 1: I don't think you would, like I think there's some
Speaker 1: people committed to that roles like Rick Gross. Rick Gross
Speaker 1: wasn't a you know, twenty year old drug dealer, but
Speaker 1: I think Ric Ross is committed to the role of
Speaker 1: being a street urban drug dealer from Miami.
Speaker 2: So with him, that's a major component to the longevity conversation. Anyway,
Speaker 2: when you're writing, like you know, you compare like music
Speaker 2: to film. You know, there aren't a lot of movie
Speaker 2: writers that write themselves into the script and play themselves
Speaker 2: in the movie as themselves, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So they're not like image integrated vertically, whereas like a
Speaker 2: rap you might a lot of these guys they're they've
Speaker 2: written a character for a TV series that comes out
Speaker 2: in albums instead of seasons, so to speak, and they're
Speaker 2: just gonna keep making another season in another season of
Speaker 2: the season because they don't give a fuck because they're
Speaker 2: Joe Blow and you know, a little such and such
Speaker 2: as their name on on wax and who cares, you know.
Speaker 2: But the guys who are more like I'm saying what
Speaker 2: I feel, this is a reputation of me and the
Speaker 2: no no, no, that's I think a whole different party
Speaker 2: because now their genuine, authentic evolution through time and life
Speaker 2: becomes party to the representation of the music and opposed
Speaker 2: to just like Rick could make fictitious Rick albums for
Speaker 2: now the next thirty years, it's gonna be the same
Speaker 2: fucking thing. It don't even matter you care. Yeah, he
Speaker 2: can rap about cars and kilos until he's ninety five,
Speaker 2: because Rick Ross in that case doesn't exist.
Speaker 1: Sure, it's just a character for a television show for it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true, that's true. I don't know. I don't what's
Speaker 1: crazy is my problem? The way I feel at my
Speaker 1: age now, being forty right, is like the song is
Speaker 1: no longer as much of a platform as it once was,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like it's limit it, like
Speaker 1: I'm limited.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I hear that with one of my favorite rappers as
Speaker 2: he got a little older, bun By, Like the content
Speaker 2: that he's trying to put out either A you don't
Speaker 2: understand it or B you don't understand how to put
Speaker 2: into the song because the time confines and word limitations
Speaker 2: of the song and what you're trying to say.
Speaker 1: They don't mix how much wisdom bun b would try
Speaker 1: to stuff in a fucking song, How much wisdom he
Speaker 1: has at this point, it's almost like that's but I
Speaker 1: think it's a mad medium. It's medium face be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just hard, and I didn't and I'm like, what
Speaker 1: you mean is who are you scarfaced? But it's like
Speaker 1: his ideas can no longer. It's hard for him to
Speaker 1: express his ideas in three minutes in twenty seconds. It's
Speaker 1: hard for me to do it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And don't get me wrong, like I think ice T
Speaker 1: is putting out an album right now at sixty five
Speaker 1: with some new gangster rap stories because ice T is
Speaker 1: that kind of character. But the advice I would I
Speaker 1: would really give to all of all of my predecessors,
Speaker 1: the guys that I grew up listening to and enjoying
Speaker 1: my whole life is ll says something really important in
Speaker 1: that statement where he said hip hop is not a sport.
Speaker 1: It's not a sport. It's not really a competition, as
Speaker 1: much as it feels like it is, it's not. It's
Speaker 1: really art's artistry, you know what I mean? And you
Speaker 1: putting whatever you putting on them, like still refer to
Speaker 1: the pyramid walls. So you whoever's listening to this podcast,
Speaker 1: is dog listening, if dre listening, if quick listening, you
Speaker 1: are not restricted to play by rules. You are the architect,
Speaker 1: so you can make right. Now, DJ Quick can come
Speaker 1: out ice ta cond come out with an eight minute song.
Speaker 1: If it's interesting and he does what he does, I
Speaker 1: probably listen to all eight minutes. Now would it assimilate
Speaker 1: into mainstream? Is gonna be different?
Speaker 2: That's an interesting observation. And you talk about the confidence
Speaker 2: of time and messaging. There's been a pivot in media
Speaker 2: from these short you know, the thirty minute news show
Speaker 2: that's gonna have four guests on, They're gonna be for
Speaker 2: two minute interview segments. The guest feels misrepresented, no information
Speaker 2: is conveyed, it's a bunch of horseshit or rogan in
Speaker 2: the podcast where we're gonna have this guy come on
Speaker 2: and let him tell it from beginning to end on
Speaker 2: his terms. In totality, I think older rappers need to
Speaker 2: not do songs and albums. They need to do like
Speaker 2: the podcast. I'm gonna come out with one song, it's
Speaker 2: fifty five minutes, enjoy and I'm gonna say the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Well, sure you can do that too, but I'm saying
Speaker 1: so since I've announced that I was putting out an album, right,
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I'm gonna sell some physical copies
Speaker 1: and some albums, Like, I'm gonna sell some physical copies,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna make it a novelty thing because I'm
Speaker 1: in LA and I'm like society so far ahead. Nobody
Speaker 1: has CD players wrong as shit wrong, Like I just
Speaker 1: had to reorder on over four hundred plus copies of
Speaker 1: physical albums autograph right. And it's because at this point
Speaker 1: in my life, I don't have to play by rules.
Speaker 2: I got the best idea for the crypt Store, tell me,
Speaker 2: because I don't have a CD player. Sure, but I
Speaker 2: used to mail CD players, Yeah, back and back and forth.
Speaker 2: The crypt Store should come out with a custom CD
Speaker 2: player with the stash spot built in.
Speaker 1: You hear this, crazy one of the fucker I used
Speaker 1: to pack work and electronics and mail them, Bro, that
Speaker 1: would be fucking great work on man. But the point
Speaker 1: I'm making is I just think that again, all of
Speaker 1: the people I grew up listening to like be agit,
Speaker 1: you don't have to play by rules, Like That's the
Speaker 1: one thing I caught right when I started working on this.
Speaker 1: There is no rules there. There's rules if you're younger.
Speaker 1: When you get older, like Steve said, there is no rules.
Speaker 1: People have to take it from you how you dish it?
Speaker 1: He right, like older people be acting like dis but
Speaker 1: you take it because you're like, man, the motherfuckersn't live
Speaker 1: their life, you know what I mean, and you look
Speaker 1: at it differently.
Speaker 3: So I think.
Speaker 1: How you really beat agism is you don't play by
Speaker 1: the rules that younger people play by. I think if
Speaker 1: you try to play in the confined, you know, and
Speaker 1: the constraints of where today's hip hop is, that's when
Speaker 1: you start to realize you old, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, I can't do what this John he's doing,
Speaker 1: But you don't have to do that in the first place.
Speaker 1: There is benefits in today's time of how hip hop
Speaker 1: has evolved into this space. You could take, like I
Speaker 1: take pieces of it, little parts of it. I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh I like that.
Speaker 3: I like that.
Speaker 1: But then I do what I want to do and
Speaker 1: it entertains everybody at that point because I don't have
Speaker 1: to play by the rules.
Speaker 2: Pop now is it's a multi generational, you know, experience,
Speaker 2: not only on the product production side, from the artist side.
Speaker 2: It's now a multi generational consumer experience. Sure, so you know,
Speaker 2: the forty three year old lifelong hip hop fan has
Speaker 2: a different appetite than the nineteen year old hip hop
Speaker 2: fan does. So you see, so the marketplace is now
Speaker 2: very different on the consumption side as well.
Speaker 1: I just think, I think, even to go further with
Speaker 1: that point, I think people just want dope shit. They
Speaker 1: don't give a fuck long as it's creative. I think
Speaker 1: you can write a rap movie where everybody rapping and
Speaker 1: everybody and watch it. I literally can make an album,
Speaker 1: make a mini series, put it on my YouTube, and
Speaker 1: drop it weekly. Like so a lot of my fears
Speaker 1: is the music is my constraint, right because it's like
Speaker 1: the time words. But really, like like Ll said in
Speaker 1: that interview, like he's like, like, it's more based off
Speaker 1: my own insecurities. Even when I listen to Still, it's
Speaker 1: based off of his insecurities versus going out and just
Speaker 1: being amazingly dope, like we could be standing on top
Speaker 1: of our head.
Speaker 2: Do me a favor, Just get any beat and loopid
Speaker 2: for twenty four minutes and once a week, like a
Speaker 2: sitcom would be twenty four minutes long on television in
Speaker 2: the nineties. Just do a no hooks cast twenty four minute.
Speaker 3: Man with the intention span people got today. Man, I
Speaker 3: don't even know.
Speaker 1: I'm not you know what. That's what I'm not conceding,
Speaker 1: that mentality of atensive span. That is literally what has
Speaker 1: fucked up a lot of art. Believing what people's intensive
Speaker 1: spent are. People will pay attention to dope shit. That
Speaker 1: won't be the fuck if that shit is two hours
Speaker 1: of dope shit. It don't matter if it's two seconds
Speaker 1: of dope shit or two hours of dope shit. You
Speaker 1: don't believe that's a little bit, Well no, because I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you why I don't. I've put out songs.
Speaker 1: Kanye should have never made that bit just four minutes,
Speaker 1: five minutes.
Speaker 2: Rogan got a Brazilion that that ship is eternal. That's
Speaker 2: half a day of television content, for Christ's sake, for CNN.
Speaker 1: It's eternal, not like I think if you if your own,
Speaker 1: if your mind state is I want to market it
Speaker 1: to the kids that I think are hip. He probably
Speaker 1: never marketed to just hip kids, right, that's we that
Speaker 1: was just our lives. It was always marketed to Peter
Speaker 1: in Middle America. It was always marketed to them. That
Speaker 1: was the goal to get it to where Middle America
Speaker 1: was they're the biggest consumers of hip hop as far
Speaker 1: as the music.
Speaker 2: And now I think songs people you know, markets learned.
Speaker 2: So the songs that make the most money are like
Speaker 2: the party songs that dance, the songs that are about
Speaker 2: to be behind it mor than was being said over
Speaker 2: the beat.
Speaker 1: And to add to that, just songs that help you
Speaker 1: escape your regular reality of driving home and being that
Speaker 1: fucking work.
Speaker 2: But like when you go to the even you go
Speaker 2: to the club, the DJ is only you're playing a
Speaker 2: fraction of the song and run into the next. I
Speaker 2: mean dance hall started that in the Island back in
Speaker 2: the day. I mean now it's where songs are getting
Speaker 2: shorter mixes of the shorter songs are getting shorter. People
Speaker 2: just but that's a different experience. If you came out,
Speaker 2: like remember the thing you were talking about where one
Speaker 2: of the rappers dads you you in County. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: if you did a twenty four minute flow that was
Speaker 2: cool about and just called it County and just did
Speaker 2: twenty four minutes of gang module as a story with
Speaker 2: Ryme over a beat.
Speaker 1: R Kelly already proved is with you in the closet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be awesome. If you read the next
Speaker 2: one called The Corner and did twenty four minutes of
Speaker 2: just cooking and selling out the hole in the front door,
Speaker 2: that was y like vividly and you just got to
Speaker 2: be dope heavy. Yeah, you can just tell the whole
Speaker 2: fucking story. I don't have to like touch and go
Speaker 2: and tell. To tell the whole story like a like
Speaker 2: a History Channel documentary overbeat for twenty minutes straight, that
Speaker 2: would be very interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just do one that people will fuck with it.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't conceive that attention span shit still,
Speaker 1: I don't fuck with that at all. I believe there's
Speaker 1: an audience of people who want their content in less
Speaker 1: than a minute, and I believe that that audience of
Speaker 1: people will even look at shit that's longer if it's
Speaker 1: fantastic and it has social currency, you know, it comes
Speaker 1: with social currency for viewing it. I think pro must die.
Speaker 1: Like when tuproba much DIBs coming out, everybody was trying
Speaker 1: to tell me how kids wouldn't care, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: it don't matter who is breathing air. It don't matter
Speaker 1: Tupac passed away twenty plus years ago. If shit is good,
Speaker 1: I don't give fuck how old you are you JFK.
Speaker 3: I agree with you one hundred percent. She and one
Speaker 3: thing we need to stop doing is stop fucking catering
Speaker 3: the fucking kids.
Speaker 1: Niggas got McDonald's taste. My little niece. I was telling
Speaker 1: my dad this. We was talking yesterday and we were
Speaker 1: talking and we was talking about how the food has
Speaker 1: changed over times again, back to that Bill's taco conversation.
Speaker 1: He was like, man, it's crazy because you know McDonald's.
Speaker 1: He was saying, McDonald's is surviving, and I said, McDonald's
Speaker 1: survive off children, like when you under when you under ten.
Speaker 1: There's a social currency that comes with getting McDonald's, in
Speaker 1: passing McDonald's, and wanting McDonald's. As soon as a child's
Speaker 1: taste buds grow in. For the most part, most children
Speaker 1: in and out, especially here in southern California, in and
Speaker 1: out becomes a vibe exchange. My niece is like that.
Speaker 1: She used to want happy meals. Now that ship turned
Speaker 1: into a double DOUBLET.
Speaker 3: That ship in and Out is probably the op rated
Speaker 3: restaurant out here.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a r but I understand why
Speaker 1: you would say that. I used to say that.
Speaker 3: Don't get me wrong. I think it's cool.
Speaker 1: I used to say that too. But if you compare
Speaker 1: In and Out to McDonald's, in and out is like
Speaker 1: the ship.
Speaker 2: I think the thing is in and Out because.
Speaker 3: Because McDonald's got better fries, though.
Speaker 1: McDonald's got better everything, except it's none of it's better
Speaker 1: because you go feel like shit later at the eating
Speaker 1: In and Out is like a mass produced burger, like
Speaker 1: In and Out, Bird King and Carl Junior and all
Speaker 1: that shit, except it's just better than those places. Like
Speaker 1: In and Out is not better than five guys, but
Speaker 1: five guys is probably gonna cost you twenty dollars for
Speaker 1: a meal. You gotta walk in, you gotta kind of
Speaker 1: sit down. There are two different experiences.
Speaker 3: But five guys and it's fired though.
Speaker 1: But in and Out compared to it, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: it's uh, it's it's. It's comparisons, right is.
Speaker 2: It's comparisons are drive through change. I think that.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 2: I'm not in a big hurry go eat it in
Speaker 2: and out, but I'm not a big hurry to go
Speaker 2: eat it in the drafting burger.
Speaker 1: Chance.
Speaker 3: Well, I tell you this, Wendy's definitely is underrated. Wendy's
Speaker 3: and Burger King got some pretty good burgers.
Speaker 1: Wendy's is my favorite burger.
Speaker 2: I love the spiced chicken sandwich.
Speaker 1: But other than that, I like, I'll get a double.
Speaker 1: I'll get a Dave's double, no onions extra mao. They
Speaker 1: got a little package of chili sauce. It's like a hot,
Speaker 1: spicy sauce. I put it on that motherfucker too. That
Speaker 1: motherfucker be hidden.
Speaker 3: And lemonade taste nice andgether that ship is sweet and tangy, purpose.
Speaker 1: True true, In and I got a lot of hacks though,
Speaker 1: because In and Out got the Flying Dutchman with the
Speaker 1: onion ring top and bottom. In and I got chopped Chili's.
Speaker 1: Go get your double double, said, I want chopped chilis.
Speaker 3: What's the name of the one with the onion rings
Speaker 3: on the flying Dutchman. I'm gonna get that next time.
Speaker 2: It sounds like a bizarre sexual position.
Speaker 3: It does.
Speaker 1: But tell them you want that, you want to you
Speaker 1: want the onion rings top and bottom, and they give
Speaker 1: you a burger with grilled onions topping bottom, Like that's
Speaker 1: your bun that should be hidden. But In and Out
Speaker 1: got a lot of good hacks. In and Out. I
Speaker 1: get it, like i've for years that In and Out
Speaker 1: is overrated. But it's only overrated the way people rat it,
Speaker 1: but in comparison to its counterparts at that time, because
Speaker 1: they really you know what I mean, it is, well,
Speaker 1: McDonald's actually tastes good. That's the problem. It's just not doesn't.
Speaker 2: They don't taste good. The ice cream, the sweet tea,
Speaker 2: and the fries is all that they got.
Speaker 3: It's just bad. You're bad.
Speaker 2: They're bad, are they They're bad? They're bad bad.
Speaker 1: You know what, Maybe I'm just conditioned on McDonald's.
Speaker 2: I hadn't tried. I hadn't had chicken nuggets in a
Speaker 2: few years ago. I had them for the first time
Speaker 2: fifteen years. I had one. I say, for as chief
Speaker 2: as it is, I'm gonna throw it out and go.
Speaker 1: You know what, it don't really taste like chicken.
Speaker 2: That's very true. That's that's uncomfortably true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that's the problem.
Speaker 2: So but you know my Wendy's hack though, real quick,
Speaker 2: I get the same thing. What is every time I
Speaker 2: get the spicy chicken sandwich with no male and you
Speaker 2: got to ask for the salad ranch because that stupid
Speaker 2: packet ranch is shit. But the cold chilled fresh salad
Speaker 2: ranch and the that's it, dip the spiced chicken in
Speaker 2: the salad ranch, You're winning.
Speaker 1: Okay, you need to add this chili sauce on your
Speaker 1: will ask for that. That shit gonna fuck your life.
Speaker 1: I will ask for that. I bring a kick to it.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you. One thing I think I always
Speaker 3: wanted to do was this. I always wanted to open
Speaker 3: up a burger stand. I think I would serve the
Speaker 3: best hamburgers around. I would serve definitely. I would never.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't serve anything but lemonade burgers and fries.
Speaker 1: You remember Mikes and Bellflower.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I STU love big mics that used to be
Speaker 3: like that. Yeah, but that's how my ship would be right,
Speaker 3: and my French fries would be hand cut. I would
Speaker 3: have potatoes back there, would actually cut my potatoes.
Speaker 1: Your food gonna take forever.
Speaker 3: Hey, it don't matter. If you want some bullshit burger,
Speaker 3: go and wait the line of McDonald's. You want some
Speaker 3: good shit, come sit with me. I ain't gonna be
Speaker 3: no more than fifteen twenty minutes.
Speaker 2: It'd be so funny if if you ran the name
Speaker 2: and called it steel stainless Burger.
Speaker 3: That'd be cool. That'd be some cool shit. That's we're
Speaker 3: gonna do with the burger pitt. I'm gonna be out
Speaker 3: there really cooking hamburgers.
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