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Speaker 1: Thank you for you're coming back. Part two is underway.

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Speaker 1: What is money? What did? What did? What have you

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Speaker 1: learned about money?

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Speaker 2: You gotta make money work for you. The saying is

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Speaker 2: true often that you know you gotta you gotta say,

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Speaker 2: you gotta put up a big money if you want

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Speaker 2: a wig, but win big money. Yes, debt is good,

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Speaker 2: it's crazy, yeah, the right debt right. And of course,

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Speaker 2: like what like you said, I love that you said

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Speaker 2: this early, that it's a tool. The great thing is

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Speaker 2: that even though I was raised really religiously, somehow I

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Speaker 2: didn't ever feel that money was bad. It was the

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Speaker 2: pursuit of money that was bad. And and I think

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Speaker 2: a lot of my friends, and I think culturally often

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Speaker 2: what we get is that money is the root of

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Speaker 2: all evil. And it's actually it's actually not, it's just

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Speaker 2: a tool. It's the pursuit of money and making that

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Speaker 2: the thing, the all seeing, all being goal. That's what

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Speaker 2: becomes the root of all evil. It's the pursuit of

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Speaker 2: that at any expense. So, you know, just remaining remaining

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Speaker 2: balance in the in the perspective that it's a tool,

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Speaker 2: and that the ultimate, the ultimate, like you said, is

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Speaker 2: like freedom. It's like what we're really looking for is

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Speaker 2: freedom and what does that actually mean? And everyone has

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Speaker 2: a different definition of what that is. Right, Yeah, how

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Speaker 2: about you, like, what's the what is money for you?

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Speaker 1: I got very little for myself, my sister, a mom,

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Speaker 1: my brother, my kids. I live, I got a house,

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Speaker 1: we got two cars, had and bought a car in

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Speaker 1: five years. I'm probably gonna be another five years. Why

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Speaker 1: I buy a car because I just get in the

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Speaker 1: car and drive the same car. You know, my battery

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Speaker 1: is dead in my car now because I haven't driven.

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Speaker 1: So so me, that's I've always I'm a I'm a provider.

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Speaker 1: I've always been that. From the time I was five

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Speaker 1: or six years old, I was working in the field.

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Speaker 1: I would come home and give my grandmother ten dollars.

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Speaker 1: Ten dollars back in seventy five, seventy six, seventy seven.

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Speaker 1: Was a lot of money, but it was the fact

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Speaker 1: it made me feel a sense of accomplishment. So I

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Speaker 1: still feel that now that I'm able to provide for

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Speaker 1: my family and take care of my family. So that's

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Speaker 1: what that's what it for me, that's what it provides. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I've got to provide for my family. I got to

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Speaker 1: make sure they're okay. Me. I'm gonna be fine because

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Speaker 1: if I got to eat ketchup with a net needle,

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Speaker 1: that's what I'll do. But they I just need to.

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Speaker 1: I just need to. I don't ever want my family.

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Speaker 1: I never wanted my grandmother to work I worry. I

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Speaker 1: never wanted her to worry. I never want my sister,

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Speaker 1: my kids, my brother, my mom. I don't want them more.

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Speaker 1: Let me stay up at night. I don't sleep anyway.

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Speaker 1: I got insomnia. So let me worry about all that

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Speaker 1: stuff that you guys get to rest comfortable worried about.

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Speaker 1: It's like Colonel Nathan Jessop said when he had campy

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Speaker 1: and to say, hey, you need me on that wall.

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Speaker 1: They need me on that wall word so they could

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Speaker 3: Word.

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Speaker 1: So that's what. So what are some of the persons

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Speaker 1: when you got some money, you're like, damn. Growing up

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Speaker 1: in Inglewood and sam Page a little, You're like, I

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Speaker 1: give me some bread, what would do? What I would do?

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Speaker 2: I've never in the same way, though I've actually been

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Speaker 2: kind of the same same vibe. Like growing up. First

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Speaker 2: job as soon as I could fifteen, I was a tutor.

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Speaker 2: You know, my my parents were split up and my

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Speaker 2: dad was a teacher, but my mom quit her job

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Speaker 2: to make sure that we growing up, we didn't get we.

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Speaker 1: Didn't go to get sidetracked.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we didn't get to end. And I was a knucklehead.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't like bad, but I was mischievous, and so

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Speaker 2: sometimes I would find myself in the wrong crowd. Uh,

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Speaker 2: And my mom just wouldn't have it, you know. And

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Speaker 2: I think when she caught wind of that, my tendency

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Speaker 2: to kind of like, oh, let's go, let's go have

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Speaker 2: own and I in the same way been I've taken

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Speaker 2: the same view. So I don't really buy a lot

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Speaker 2: for myself. Man. The only car I bought I bought

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Speaker 2: as a gift. I did as a gift to myself.

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Speaker 2: It was an old F four thirty Ferrari. It's a

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Speaker 2: car I wanted when I was younger, and it was

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Speaker 2: already old. Yeah, it was already old. But it's the

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Speaker 2: got that. I drive it every once in a while,

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Speaker 2: but I'm not really big on.

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Speaker 1: On you know, big, big on material thing.

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Speaker 2: Though I'm not really a big I don't collect watches.

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Speaker 2: You when you see me, it's pretty pretty chill. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: yeah I do. I do care deeply about how my

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Speaker 2: family is. So I think my biggest accomplishments, the biggest things,

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Speaker 2: was by my mom house. Like you said, like that's

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Speaker 2: a I think all of us is like, yeah, you

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Speaker 2: got mama house.

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Speaker 1: You got getting getting you know, out of poverty.

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Speaker 2: But like fixing, fixing this thing at Plop's house or

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Speaker 2: like let's you know what I mean, like oh you

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Speaker 2: want that, okay, bet at the crib, got you, Let's

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Speaker 2: do that, or my cousin needed to bail my cousin out,

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Speaker 2: or hospital bills or I actually feel more, I feel

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Speaker 2: more accomplished being able to do those things, especially because

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Speaker 2: it means so much more with your family or lose.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I'm like losing my family so fast.

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Speaker 2: And when my grandmother's past, when my grandparents started to

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Speaker 2: started to pay attention. Everyone's getting older.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel the same way because I'm at the

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Speaker 1: I'm at the age where man, they Oh that's me.

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Speaker 1: Oh wait, that ain't all all of a sudden. Fifties

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Speaker 1: is not old anymore. It used to be.

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Speaker 2: That's so old. Yeah, yeah, you're almost there, ship you

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Speaker 2: now all of a sudden.

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Speaker 1: Man, I'm a long way man.

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Speaker 2: You got plenty of time. Yeah, so much time.

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Speaker 1: That's how we look at it.

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Speaker 2: That's real, it's real. But yeah, that those are those

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Speaker 2: are my more my I prefer to save my money

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Speaker 2: for those things. And then in the meantime again in

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Speaker 2: terms of like I want to put it to work.

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Speaker 2: I want it. I want it to work. So when

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Speaker 1: If you could go back at any point in time,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you a pear or the racer and

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Speaker 1: you can go back in the race and do anything over,

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Speaker 1: would you.

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Speaker 2: Hmmm?

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Speaker 2: I think everything that I thought was kind of one

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Speaker 2: opportunity to prove to myself that I'm proud of myself,

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Speaker 2: conversations and to go. You know, I'm deeply sorry when

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Speaker 2: I was wrong to when I make you know, when

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Speaker 2: so much gratitude now, more so because I've taken time

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Speaker 2: and I have an actionable way by which I will

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Speaker 2: do it different. Now will that yield the result that

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Speaker 2: I'm looking for? I'm learning in real time. But I

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Speaker 2: know one thing, I'm proud of myself at paying attention

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Speaker 2: to how I am. Just like I said, when you're

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Speaker 2: when you're saying what advice that you are given, it's

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Speaker 2: really like, look at your look at look at my

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Speaker 2: you know, And that's what's actually informing all of all

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't take that eraser. Yeah, because who's Who's to

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Speaker 1: I was thinking the same thing, and if I could

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Speaker 1: go back and change some things, I don't go to

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Speaker 1: Savannah State. I probably don't meet the people that impacted

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Speaker 1: me the most in my life. I had some great

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Speaker 1: professors at Savannah State, from Haines Wanting to Norman Ylmore

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Speaker 1: to Joanne Green to George Micha Lamore. I don't meet

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Speaker 1: Even if I could, I don't want to change it.

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Speaker 2: Right, you miss all of the all of the great

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Speaker 1: In that and make me, make us who we are soup.

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Speaker 2: It's it is probably the coolest thing in looking back

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Speaker 2: through the cows, through the chaos. You've actually found a

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Speaker 2: on and preserving. I look at you. You're a good

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Speaker 2: human being man. You're able to address your wrongs. You're

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Speaker 2: out about what you see that's not right. You're deeply passionate,

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Speaker 2: You're deeply happy. You have a purreness about what you

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Speaker 2: that there's real hope and there's faith that is to

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Speaker 2: somehow you've been able to do all that. Damn. You

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Speaker 2: got a great family. Your dad is the best, best teacher,

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Speaker 2: like your nah, just sacrifice, you just start. I go

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Speaker 2: back now with so much more like gratitude. I couldn't

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Speaker 2: take that eraser to that, couldn't do it.

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Speaker 1: Do you ever find yourself sitting back? I find myself

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Speaker 1: and I really do it, like with my brother and

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Speaker 1: I talk, because we talk a lot about how we

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Speaker 1: he was always there for me. Do you find yourself

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Speaker 1: looking back? And like, damn, I call a mighty, mighty,

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Speaker 1: mighty long way. Even even in that dream, the gift

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Speaker 1: that I gave to myself, it wasn't this good word?

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Speaker 2: Say that? Cheers that? Cheers to that? I will say, man,

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Speaker 2: Most people from LA don't even know where San Pedro

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you know Blue and x X

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Speaker 2: all are Blue. I'm at Blue when I was maybe

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Speaker 2: This is a one. This is like when you get

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Speaker 2: I want to do another album Blue, but I wanted

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Speaker 2: I think would be really really special, especially because we're

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I wouldn't say I wouldn't. I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: definitely have some special ones. I got some special ones

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like you wrote for us? I think did you

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Speaker 1: write for us?

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Speaker 2: You're married ja Jahim, Yes, I did, uh huh jahim married.

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Speaker 1: Music soul child.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we've done some ones. Did I don't think

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Speaker 2: So can we double check that there might be records.

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Speaker 2: I've written records and I don't even wow, it's true.

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Speaker 1: Make sure you get that credit.

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Speaker 2: Now, that's why I turned you, when you turned forward

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Speaker 1: come on for doctor Dre. You couldn't tell me didn't

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00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,680
Speaker 1: write that because it sounds you like, how the hell?

432
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:33,199
Speaker 1: That takes a special talent to write a song that

433
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 1: you're not gonna sing someone that's gonna sing it, but

434
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 1: you're writing it in.

435
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 2: There boys, And it takes a special talent to be

436
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,680
Speaker 2: able to take that and make it their own. Yes,

437
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,199
Speaker 2: So there's a there's a there's an art to that

438
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 2: as well. I think. I always I think in terms of,

439
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 2: like I said, I'm an enabler. I'm a I'm like

440
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,439
Speaker 2: mischievous though, like I'm I'm your friend that's gonna be like,

441
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 2: yeah we should though, like let's go. If you have

442
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,439
Speaker 2: an idea and you're like, man, I don't know if

443
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,160
Speaker 2: I should do this, like, but I kind of.

444
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 1: Want to go do this the shoulder, like, yeah, we

445
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 1: should do that.

446
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 2: I'm a friend, but not in a way that's like

447
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 2: I'm I'm also I'm also realistic, and I'm also you know,

448
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 2: I'm I'm paying attention to all the things. But I

449
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 2: think that there's something special about excitement, and I honor excitement.

450
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 2: When you're excited about something that is an indication that

451
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 2: you're it's like hitting your spirit. It's like you're like, ooh,

452
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 2: I'm like I want to do this, you know, and

453
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 2: I think more. I didn't realize this. I'm sorry, it's cool. Sorry, yeah,

454
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 2: I just told him. I was he just he just

455
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 2: there's something about excitement that's special, and I really do honor.

456
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 2: So I think about what excites the artists, what would

457
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 2: excite the artists, And I'm a fan first, so I'm

458
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,159
Speaker 2: thinking about them and a family and what I know

459
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 2: about them and what they seem to resonate with the most,

460
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,360
Speaker 2: and I'm thinking of anything that may excite them, and

461
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 2: that I'm thinking of what their audience may be excited by.

462
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 2: So like like for example, for Rocket, for Beyonce. Yes,

463
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 2: I was going the next but let me sit this

464
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 2: ass on you. Is the first line which one of

465
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,360
Speaker 2: us is not thinking and I'm sorry, this is this

466
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,159
Speaker 2: is a long time ago. Don't also the whiskey kind

467
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 2: of there wasn't called might have me, you know, speaking.

468
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:53,120
Speaker 2: But I'm thinking in terms of, like, as a man

469
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 2: listening to Beyonce, what do I want to hear? What

470
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 2: excites me? And then I'm going what is she trying

471
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 2: to convey? And at the time I think she was

472
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,199
Speaker 2: wanting to she was from what I understood is that

473
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 2: she really wanted to lean into the fact that she's

474
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 2: a grown woman and she was in you know what

475
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 2: I mean. So I'm listening to her, tell me like, Okay,

476
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 2: this is where I'm at. I'm going, okay, bet, what's

477
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 2: exciting to her? Exciting was showing that she's like, you know,

478
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 2: leaning into her feminine and she's being woman. I'm grown

479
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 2: and I'm owning my sexuality and this and that, and

480
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 2: I'm going, well, shit, I'm a fan and I'm what

481
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 2: guys like, what do we want to and what do

482
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 2: girls even? What do women want to hear or say? What? What?

483
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 2: What do her audience want to say for themselves too?

484
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 2: What's exciting?

485
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: Ship?

486
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 2: Let me sit there, Let me sit this ass on

487
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 2: you bet, I'm gonna go with the thing that sounds

488
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 2: the most exciting. So that's where Quickie came from.

489
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:55,919
Speaker 1: That's where do you ever get afraid that you're going

490
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: to write something like what are you thinking? No yet?

491
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 2: Uh, that's why a lot of songs are not out.

492
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 2: We'll keep those in the ball, We'll keep that in

493
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 2: the ball. But but no, I think that's where I

494
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 2: come from. Excitement, Like what I said.

495
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: Because that's interesting because writing a song for a woman

496
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: when you're a male and I'm not say obviously there

497
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 1: are a lot of there are a lot of male

498
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 1: songwriters that write for for women. But how how, how

499
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: difficult is that because you you don't you don't think

500
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: like they think. You don't see things how they see them.

501
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 1: But on this song, I've got to.

502
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 2: It's only I've only written four four four specifically maybe

503
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,640
Speaker 2: like again, the like beautiful. I didn't start that song

504
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 2: thinking about writing for Mariah Carey. I wrote that song

505
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 2: actually as a song from my album, and it actually

506
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 2: didn't it didn't fit the tone overall. And then I

507
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 2: we adapted it to better fit Mariah, and she wrote

508
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 2: on the record to make it fit her right, same

509
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,959
Speaker 2: thing with B. But B was a little closer because

510
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 2: she was telling me, like and she was telling all

511
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 2: of the people that she was working with where she

512
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 2: was at and what she was looking for. So I

513
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 2: think it's it's just it just depends on the situation.

514
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 2: And I think with female which is one of the

515
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 2: things I like, I want to explore more is working

516
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 2: with more, like collaborating more with just artists in general.

517
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 2: But like I feel like there's an ep with female

518
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 2: artists like in in there writing on their behalf. I

519
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 2: think it's about the conversation that we have and what

520
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 2: they want to communicate. So it's more about them and

521
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 2: what they want to say, and then me enabling That.

522
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: Was a rocket inspired by D'Angelo Rest your Soul? How

523
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: does it feel.

524
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:53,959
Speaker 2: What Valley at this point is not inspired by untitled?

525
00:28:54,040 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 2: Like there's really I think we'll always go back to

526
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 2: the Church of D'Angelo and that song is a it

527
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 2: is a some some artists have songs that are like

528
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 2: statements of their artistry and what they represent, and that's

529
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 2: that's his that will forever be like a mainstay of

530
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 2: the power and soul and funk in connection to the

531
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: legacy of all of those things in his predecessors, our

532
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:35,479
Speaker 2: predecessor that live forever in his music, and also his

533
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 2: ability to do it in his own, new, new way.

534
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 2: It's what makes him. Yeah, it's his It's a what

535
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 2: is the word for that? There's a word for when

536
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 2: things are just theirs, but it's it's one of those,

537
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 2: you know, it's that. So yeah, for sure. I mean

538
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 2: there's probably not a session that I don't go into

539
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 2: where we're not like just even in conversation talking about

540
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 2: right untitled and voodoo.

541
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is so sad that such a young man

542
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: going at such a young age.

543
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 2: But isn't this crazy though? Like our health is this

544
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 2: This could go in a million different directions shape, Like

545
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 2: we could talk about how systematically, you know, our health

546
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 2: is being tampered with every day and it has been

547
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 2: for for decades, especially amongst blacks. You know, you know

548
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 2: the Tuskegee, those those experiments. We are we're all aware

549
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 2: about that. But are we paying attention to how the

550
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 2: water is being tampered with? Are we paying attention to

551
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 2: how the the the produce in this country is not

552
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 2: nearly at the level of the of the potency in

553
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,239
Speaker 2: terms of vitamin and all that stuff. It's not as

554
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 2: potent as it was before decades ago. We've got things

555
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 2: in our air that are being sprinkled from above, aluminum

556
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 2: and so on and so forth. And that's that's verified.

557
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,959
Speaker 2: We have our weather being manipulated. We have you know,

558
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 2: it's a lot of things that have to do with

559
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 2: our health that is crazy, right, you know, it's and

560
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 2: and so when when I when we hear an artist

561
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 2: like this being, you know, having passed so early because

562
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 2: of cancer, what is it? What's this crazy?

563
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 4: Man?

564
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,239
Speaker 2: Is? It's crazy? Also, it says a lot about how

565
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 2: we we gotta, we should, we should get talking about

566
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 2: our health more often. I think there's a big big

567
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I want to talk. I haven't. I'm

568
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 2: turning forty. I have yet to go do like prostate

569
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 2: all that stuff. I'm late.

570
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: I'm a prostate cancer survivor.

571
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 2: Man. But when did you find out?

572
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: Well? I started getting I started getting tested early. I

573
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: started getting tested at the age of thirty five. My

574
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: dad died at thirty nine and cancer. No, he had

575
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: oral cancer, throat cancer, and he had two brothers that

576
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: didn't make it the fifty so it ran in my family.

577
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: So let me, I started getting tested at thirty five

578
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: and went in for a routine colonoscopy and but my doctor,

579
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: I knew something was wrong with my doctor didn't call

580
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: me back.

581
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 2: I'm like, it's only been it's already been some days.

582
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was in twenty sixteen. I was diagnosed in

583
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, had the surgery in twenty seventeen, and I've

584
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: been I've been clear ever since.

585
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 2: Wow.

586
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: Man, yes, oh man, I go to the door. I

587
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: go to the doctor for what they called what this

588
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: premium cross or I'm going let me go to.

589
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 2: The listen, but hey, I'm going to take advantage of

590
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 2: it for really listen, come on, it's crazy. We it's

591
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 2: not a part of the conversation. Yeah, you know, in

592
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 2: my on both sides family there there's been cancer, so

593
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 2: I should be paying attention. And yet I know and

594
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 2: I have not, you know, And why is it not

595
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 2: something that we are talking about more? It's crazy.

596
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: Well, we couldn't well growing up, there's not a whole

597
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: lot of blacks that could afford insurance. So we didn't

598
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: go to the doctor unless unless Jesus was sitting on

599
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: the bed.

600
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 2: That's valid.

601
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I saw it at the foot of the bed.

602
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: I gotta go to the doctor now. But before then,

603
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: we weren't going because we didn't have health insurance. We

604
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: were you put your family in debt forever and forever

605
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: to pay those bills, and we weren't gonna burden We didn't.

606
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: We looked at it as a burden. The one thing

607
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: we're not gonna do is burden note family with debt. Yeah,

608
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: so we wouldn't go. Yeah, so now I'm going, I'm

609
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: going I go through my the duck. But first two

610
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: months of the Yeah, I'm going through my duck.

611
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 2: Let's run it, run it. That's why you gotta go

612
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 2: to Tiland and get all your ship checked out.

613
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: Look it up. I'm telling you you route for t

614
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: t Tianna Taylor, did I know you? She covered your

615
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: song The Girl with the Tattoo?

616
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.

617
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: How did that feel? Let me ask you, how does

618
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 1: that feel when when someone covers one of your songs?

619
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 2: You just like that's ultimate, that's that's ultimate, like nod

620
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 2: you know, it's like a Yeah, it's a it's a

621
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 2: really dope nod. And and also she's her voice is incredible.

622
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I.

623
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 2: Love She's incredible to everything she's like a dad.

624
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: You can choreogra.

625
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 2: I honestly think when I think she's gonna Oscar is in,

626
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 2: that's like she didn't.

627
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 1: Really she can. She can figure kally, she can get

628
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: an egoch for sure, Emmi Grammy, Tony Oscar, she can.

629
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 1: She can do it all there. There's really nothing she can't.

630
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 2: Do exactly like creative directing too. I'll be like, man,

631
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,959
Speaker 2: she's shooting other people's videos, directing the people.

632
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,280
Speaker 1: He's talented. Man.

633
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 2: When you when when someone covers the record, or like

634
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 2: even even when they're asking for like a you know,

635
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 2: they want to clear clear a sample or a song,

636
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 2: I think that's like a nod to I talk to

637
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 2: my younger self, yeah, and I go, see, you're right.

638
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 2: And then that in itself is like a keep going

639
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 2: whatever you're doing now, just keep going. They'll figure it.

640
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 2: It will, it will, it will be heard and felt

641
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 2: by who it's meant to be felt by. And and

642
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 2: that's what's what's the most Like gratifying.

643
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: You covered a Sizzles the weekend, would you would you

644
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: like to do something with ciss Yeah?

645
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, why not? Why not? I love that? I

646
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 2: think the fans will love that yeah, but there's a

647
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 2: lot of people. I think there's there's a lot of

648
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 2: like I was saying, there's a lot of collapse that

649
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 2: should happen. There's there's a lot that should happen.

650
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: Do you have do you have your people reach out

651
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: to their people or if you bump into them, let's

652
00:35:58,760 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: do something together.

653
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,720
Speaker 2: It's always like that. Everyone's always like, let's do something together.

654
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: But you know, sometimes they just be playing like hey, man,

655
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: give me a call, here's my number, and you change

656
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: the number tomorrow. It'd be like that.

657
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 2: It's like that, come on, man, It's like that in

658
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:22,879
Speaker 2: every all of our industries that people be like, y'all ya, look,

659
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you I've done it before myself. I

660
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,760
Speaker 2: have also been the one that's been like yeah, yeah, yeah, cool, cool,

661
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 2: that's not gonna happen. You know what, though, I've actually

662
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 2: decided in my life now that I don't want to

663
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 2: make music with people that I can't go have coffee

664
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 2: with or have a drink with. I'll probably be more

665
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 2: likely to be like, Shay, let's jump in the studio

666
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 2: a drink to get feel like a couple of drinks now, yeah, yeah,

667
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 2: then I would with some some artists, because what I've

668
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 2: learned is like what happens is you get in the

669
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 2: studio and then you start to learn the motivation is different.

670
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 2: Their motivation is what they're looking for out of this,

671
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 2: out of this thing maybe different than what you're looking for,

672
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 2: what you're actually showing up for. And then once the

673
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 2: music is made, then you got to show up for

674
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 2: the video, and then you got to show up for

675
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 2: you know, you want to you want to promote it

676
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 2: and this and that, and then if the song isn't

677
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 2: really representative of what you both actually are, like, if

678
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 2: there's not a real thing that you really are like,

679
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,240
Speaker 2: oh no, we're trying. We're trying to make music that matters.

680
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 2: If they're like, now I just want to hit and

681
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 2: you're like, well, I want to say something that is

682
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 2: made interest thing or like hasn't been done before, you

683
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 2: know whatever, all wow, look would love to be impactful,

684
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 2: but I'm not chasing that. Well, then you come out

685
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 2: with the product that ends up being some some weird

686
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 2: mix and then you still have to promote it and.

687
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: You're not thereing that shit. Yeah you did, and you

688
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: did a karaoke of Rihanna, My girl. You want to

689
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 1: work with me, you know what.

690
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 2: We've talked about working so many times. But I would

691
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 2: I would kill that, Like I would produce an entire

692
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 2: album for her. That would go crazy.

693
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 1: You think, man read she like really in the family,

694
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: she got kids.

695
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know if she I don't

696
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 2: know if she's really into it, really like that and

697
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 2: actually what would be crazy? I would ep an album

698
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 2: for her and Rocky. That shit would be insane because

699
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 2: I have both. I have both like the energy, I'm like,

700
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 2: oh no, and I've I've worked. I would crush an

701
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 2: album for both of them for sure. Yeah.

702
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: I know you saw when Jamie did a sure thing

703
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: and blame it.

704
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 2: Bruh. I just saw Jamie at the Blue Note too.

705
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: He uh. You know what, It's funny. We used to

706
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: have a Southern spot at Sabattle State called a Blue

707
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 1: Note where you go get fried chicken and gibzards, livers

708
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: and fries. It's in Thunderboat, Georgie. It's right rocking district

709
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: from Savannah State Campus. So when you said the Blue Note,

710
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: that made me think of that.

711
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:09,879
Speaker 2: For real gizzards real yeah, not really, not really, I've

712
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 2: never had gizzards really, how are they prepared? Everything Friday

713
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 2: is good?

714
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah? Hey man, man, what is that? It's it's good,

715
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: it's good.

716
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

717
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: But would you do something with Jamie Fox? Yeah?

718
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 2: In a in a that's also one of those people

719
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 2: where you can sit and talk like Jamie is one

720
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 2: of the coolest. He is.

721
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: All he want to do is joke though, man, joking

722
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:42,479
Speaker 1: all the time.

723
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean it's the best. It's the best.

724
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 2: I would love to write, write with him, work with him.

725
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 2: I think he's He's also one of those ones that's like,

726
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:58,240
Speaker 2: he's one of our talents that I feel are even

727
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 2: still unrealizing. H realizabality impact like Jamie on The Jamie

728
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 2: Fox Show was incredible. Yeah, Jamie before that in Living

729
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 2: Color and stand up incredible. Then you move forward and

730
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 2: you're like his his career as an actor incredible and

731
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 2: then in music incredible.

732
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: So you're just like a man, Yeah, I don't know,

733
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:24,919
Speaker 1: I don't know. He might be one of the most

734
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: talented people that's ever been created.

735
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 2: And not really like trying to be like no, I am.

736
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: Not he really he but like you said, I mean

737
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: from stand up to to acting. I mean when he

738
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: did Ray uh, and he did, uh, what is it

739
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: the pianists with the piano when he was the guy,

740
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: the homeless guy, I mean, what can he do?

741
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 2: He's yeah, the uh the range.

742
00:40:58,040 --> 00:40:59,879
Speaker 1: That range is like I don't know if we've seen

743
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: someone would range like that. It's like when we say

744
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: acting range. When you look at a Tom Cruise, or

745
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: you look at Robin Williams rest is soul, you look

746
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: at a Samuel L. Jackson. Guys, how I'm talking about

747
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 1: can make you laugh, can be serious.

748
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 2: Robin is actually a great one because that's like yeah,

749
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 2: because because that's the kind of like he could do

750
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:23,240
Speaker 2: a kids movie and he could be a villain and

751
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 2: he can make you laugh like it's your your your family.

752
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 2: You know, it's like it's it's crazy.

753
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 1: He was incredible. What's your favorite song right now? Like

754
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: who you listen? Who's Miguel listening to in the car

755
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: right now?

756
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 2: I've been listening to Show Me the Body, which is

757
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 2: a and I'm waiting for them putting new music out.

758
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 2: I think they just dropped. But show Me the Body

759
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 2: is like a punk band from New York.

760
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so you got a very eclectic taste of music,

761
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: because I mean a.

762
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,240
Speaker 2: Lot of it's like you were not expecting.

763
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: Nah, I would not expected that because some of the

764
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: groups that your name.

765
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 2: But I you know what the new the new Turnstile

766
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 2: album is Fire Turnstile no punk band.

767
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you you're in the punk band.

768
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 2: I grew up in San Pedro, which is a art

769
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 2: punk haven. So when punk music was really like kind

770
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 2: of hitting its peak, San Pedro in the United States

771
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 2: was a place where like the more avant garde punk

772
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 2: music was really like flourishing. Okay, there's a band called

773
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,399
Speaker 2: a Minutemen that come from San Pedro, and I grew

774
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 2: up maybe four blocks away from like one of the

775
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 2: premier venues that they would come and play. It's also

776
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 2: like a It's also a big skate city, so a

777
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 2: lot of skaters would come to San Pedro. And I

778
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 2: also grew up kind of at the apex of where

779
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 2: all of that comes together. So punk music, classic rock

780
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 2: from my family from my father's side, and then soul

781
00:42:55,200 --> 00:43:00,240
Speaker 2: music all have a big influence, and just alternative music overall.

782
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 2: I have a big influence on the sound. And that's

783
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 2: why you hear a lot of like heavy guitar in

784
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 2: my music. Why even melodically I approach music the way.

785
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: Would you do a cover song?

786
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 2: Yeah? What did I cover? More recently? I covered Careless

787
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 2: Whisper for the Michael Yeah, yeah we did that, but

788
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 2: like on record.

789
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I mean, you gotta look, you gotta be done,

790
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 1: you gotta be really really good. You do a cover

791
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: because people go say, you should have left that alone.

792
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 2: That's valid, that's true. They get real like, and I'm

793
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 2: also protective of my favorite artists.

794
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, you should have left that alone. That now the

795
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: guy that did the cover, and you like, he sounded

796
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 1: better if Luther a Whitney, because Whitney take your song

797
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 1: like it took Dollie I'll Always Love You Come On,

798
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: and Luther took like seven to eight. You like, I

799
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: don't know who sung that before Luther, but they should

800
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: have left that alone.

801
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 2: I don't think I have the voice for that. I don't.

802
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think that I'm even But see,

803
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 2: like di'angelo covered, He always had a cover on his record.

804
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:19,280
Speaker 2: You know Cruising, Yes, you know Smokey Robin, you know Africa.

805
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,720
Speaker 2: We're looking we're listening to records, and Africa on Voodoo

806
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 2: is like a one. It's it's very it's like, I

807
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 2: will always go to that record on a Sunday. You know,

808
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know that I have the

809
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 2: voice for it, but I would I have. I don't

810
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 2: know if I have. I'm brave enough to put on

811
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:40,760
Speaker 2: record record.

812
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, you should leave that alone. Man, what would I cover?

813
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 2: That's a good question.

814
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this when when people because it's

815
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: funny because I talked to lell and I talked to

816
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 1: a lot of different people that have had people do

817
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 1: their songs or sampled their songs, And I say, let

818
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: me ask you this. When someone comes and says I

819
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: want to do this, do you have to hear their

820
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: song before you? Was like, you give it clearance. So

821
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 1: if somebody came to you and to say, man, the

822
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: check is probably I want to. I want to, I

823
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: want to.

824
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 2: Do take your song, you do with it or something

825
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 2: with it? Yeah, yeah, I got to hear it.

826
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: Nah, because I had Bobby Brown on the Bobby said, man,

827
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: if I had known, I wouldn't let bread to do

828
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: my pack. Old Body's like, nah, bad.

829
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 2: I mean it kind of fit though, Yeah, it's kind

830
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 2: of fit.

831
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: I get it.

832
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 2: I get it in terms of you know, you know.

833
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: What I mean, he probably like the check though the check.

834
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 2: Was probably nice. Really listen, we're not mad at the bag.

835
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 2: But yeah, sometimes that's not really worth it. But yeah,

836
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 2: I do have to hear it. I got to hear

837
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 2: it because sometimes they are not.

838
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, they be joking. They be trying to joke on

839
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: your song, and I ain't put.

840
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 2: No, we can't do that. No, you're not about to

841
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,720
Speaker 2: take this now. Have you ever had a song stolen?

842
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 2: Song stolen? No? But I've been a part of like

843
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 2: some songs where I didn't get credit that I thought

844
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 2: I should have. Nothing that I would I would, I'll

845
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 2: never say it, but but you know, I came up

846
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 2: as a writer, right. It was the way that they

847
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 2: explained to me that I would actually make my way

848
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 2: to being an artist. Which you know, people, what you're

849
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 2: trying to do is to to left. No one knows

850
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 2: what you look like or what you are like. You're

851
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 2: too ambiguous and you know, nigga weird, stress and weird.

852
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 2: So they were like, right, right, be a writer and

853
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 2: that's how you'll carve a path for yourself. And in

854
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 2: that process I definitely miss some credits that I should

855
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 2: have gotten. But but there's always get back, you know,

856
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 2: I think all it always comes back, So yeah, you know,

857
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 2: it's just a part of the part of the thing.

858
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 2: And that's why that's why I started S ye C.

859
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 2: I started S one C for the same reason, for

860
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 2: the same reason of like, don't want people to be

861
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 2: taken advantage of be educated about the industries that we

862
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 2: are that are a part of making our work seen

863
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 2: and that that really enable the stories to be told,

864
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 2: but go in with leverage and knowledge about how they work, right,

865
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 2: so we're never agreeing to or acquiescing to things that

866
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 2: in the long term don't benefit the creative freedom or

867
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,240
Speaker 2: the financial freedom that we deserve.

868
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: You know. So limit was your introduction to mainstream reality

869
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: TV when you yield on BT.

870
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 2: Yes, well I'd already seen. We had seen like you know,

871
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 2: the Real World. There are a couple of seasons.

872
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 1: That was that was the first introduction of reality TV. Yeah,

873
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 1: real World?

874
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah. But but in terms of being on

875
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 2: television and being a part of that process and like narrative,

876
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 2: being a part of someone's narrative that you have no

877
00:47:59,200 --> 00:47:59,760
Speaker 2: clue about.

878
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: I just favorable bruh.

879
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 2: I was I was the villain.

880
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they told you up yeah they did.

881
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 2: But you know I again, I always say like, it

882
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 2: always comes back like, it always works out. That's why

883
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 2: when you asked earlier, you were like, would you take

884
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 2: an erase or to it? I'm like, you know what, no,

885
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 2: because in the end I always end up the truth

886
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 2: always is always like, Look, when I'm wrong, I say

887
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 2: I was wrong, hey, and look if people are gonna

888
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 2: hate me for that when I was wrong, that's their prerogative.

889
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 2: That's cool. Everybody that's supposed to be with me and

890
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 2: pay attention and support and whatever they hear because they

891
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 2: really care and that's what they want to do. I

892
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,479
Speaker 2: actually would be wasting my time trying to convince people who.

893
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: Don't want to correct.

894
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 2: So cool, that's great, that's fine, But it always comes

895
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 2: back around. I was I was on this show and

896
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 2: they painted me as a villain and they told me

897
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 2: that I was walking into a situation that they were

898
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 2: looking for a lead singer.

899
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 1: How you going from a lead singer to a villain?

900
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 2: So I walked in and they're like, yo, so we're

901
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 2: looking to bring in a lead singer. We found all

902
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 2: the supporting members, we just need a lead singer. And

903
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 2: I'm fourteen I'm like, bet.

904
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: Fifteen, I'm like, you got the right one, all.

905
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 2: Right, Bet, I'm down, I'm ready. I never consider being

906
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 2: in a group, but I'll be a lead singer.

907
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 1: Bet.

908
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 2: So I go in and and yeah, it's it's a thing.

909
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 2: They were. They had already had their group together, and

910
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 2: to them it was painted as this guy's coming in

911
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 2: to take someone's spot. Oh so we don't know who

912
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 2: it's gonna be, but we're gonna see and one of

913
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 2: you is gonna have to go home. Really, and so

914
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 2: their whole interfacing with me from jump was like who's this?

915
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 1: Like?

916
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:52,399
Speaker 2: Who who are you coming in? We've been hanging out,

917
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 2: we've been we earned our spots here, and who are

918
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 2: you to come in here? And that was the position

919
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 2: that they took. It's so crazy that that's kind of

920
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 2: like still one of those things. But yeah, that was

921
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 2: my introduction. I learned very quickly the uh, it's TV

922
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 2: and editing, you know what I mean, it's editing.

923
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,879
Speaker 1: So they made you look really bad because they told

924
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: you up though.

925
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 2: I don't think they made me they look that bad

926
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 2: though it did, but you know, shit, we're here.

927
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:26,359
Speaker 1: So your image when you first came out, they had

928
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: you with tall teas. Yeah, bro, you not a rapper?

929
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely not.

930
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: But that was the image they wanted to portray, and

931
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 1: they thought that that's what would sell man.

932
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 2: I think even I was like, okay, this is me,

933
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 2: and you know.

934
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: You're trying to get on you accepted everything nineteen.

935
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 2: I'm looking at it like, okay, well shit, I'll put

936
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 2: on a like I was already wearing like big T shirt,

937
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. It wasn't like it was

938
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 2: like I all of a sudden became a different person.

939
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 2: But when you look at what I was choosing in

940
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 2: that time versus the real person behind the music, and

941
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 2: like all of the things that inform like who I am,

942
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 2: my identity, who I am. It definitely was like one

943
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 2: of those ones where I was like, all right, I'm

944
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 2: trying to figure it out. But I mean, how did

945
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,760
Speaker 2: you dress twenty years ago?

946
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: You know it's like good and terrible.

947
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Good and terrible.

948
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: That's how That's how I think the thing is. Like

949
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: when you get some you have an idea of how

950
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,280
Speaker 1: you want to dress. If I ever got some money, right,

951
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: you know, I wore summer clothes when I was a kid,

952
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: I wore some of clothes y're around some of my brothers,

953
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: some uncles, some of my cousins, you know what I'm saying.

954
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: So I had some clothes. So I always said, if

955
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: I got me some money, I wouldn't like I would

956
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 1: get that, would get me something nice. And so when

957
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 1: I when I when I started making money, yeah, I

958
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 1: dressed you know, you know, I went through the fan

959
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 1: where I had all the throwback jersey, the Dave Windfield,

960
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: the community careams, all that stuff. And then you go

961
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: through the big oversized jeans, the red monkey that was

962
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: the era, and so you go through that faith and

963
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: then you realize that bro lead that for them young kids. Man,

964
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 1: you you were your late thirties, you U can't be

965
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 1: dressed like these kids. And so now you know you

966
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: just I dress I'm comfortable. And by the man, you

967
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:24,240
Speaker 1: dressed like a yoga teacher.

968
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 2: Spot to dress like I'm relaxed, you know what I mean.

969
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to figure you want to hearn this.

970
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 1: You want to dress like what you want to dressed

971
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: like Kendrick. You want me to dress like you know what?

972
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: Am I supposed to dress like? I'm a dress like

973
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: a fifty seven year old. And so that's that's the thing,

974
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: is just like okay, just accept who you are and

975
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: and and dress what makes you feel comfortable.

976
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 2: I think the key was was really figuring out like

977
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 2: my I was figuring out my voice even as a writer,

978
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 2: as an artist at the time, and I was working

979
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 2: with a lot of people who again I was telling you,

980
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 2: I was like, coming from being a writer, there was

981
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 2: a lot of people who are you should do it

982
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 2: like this, do it like this, and just trying to

983
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 2: find my identity and find my way. So yeah, when

984
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:07,839
Speaker 2: I started out, you guys are I mean, anyone watching

985
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 2: you can go back look at the get your hands

986
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 2: up video. You know what I mean. I've got I've

987
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 2: got the fitted on, I've got big, big shirt on,

988
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 2: big big pants on. But you know, everyone, every artist

989
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 2: has their journey. That's that's where I was at at

990
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 2: the time. The journey is everything. The whole journey is everything.

991
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 2: It's about. It really is about like honing and refining,

992
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 2: right starstruck. Yeah, first time I met Jay, for sure,

993
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 2: I was like, man, this is like reasonable doubt, this

994
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 2: is like whoa Okay, I'm I'm and I'm a I'm

995
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 2: a I'm a student of hip hop. I come from

996
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 2: hip hop, like really, so I think the one of

997
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 2: the biggest artists I've met at the time. You know.

998
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 2: One of the first was meeting Jay and I was like,

999
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:01,760
Speaker 2: uh And it wasn't It wasn't that I was fumbling.

1000
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 2: I just was like, oh, ship, I'm really in this

1001
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 2: room with jay Z Wow with ho I'm you know

1002
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 2: what I mean? And it was it was a oh,

1003
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 2: I'm the work is here has put me here. So

1004
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:21,359
Speaker 2: it was it was cool. Also, yeah was there you know,

1005
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,439
Speaker 2: it was it was a lot. It was a lot.

1006
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: How hard was it? I guess the music industry looked

1007
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 1: at you was like, here's a guy, he's half messking,

1008
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:36,879
Speaker 1: he sounds black, he looks Filipino, right, so so what

1009
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: so what we do it here?

1010
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,839
Speaker 2: That's the That's that's been the hurdle I've been. I've been,

1011
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 2: I've been, you know, trying to trying to clear this

1012
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 2: whole time. Look, man, I'm I would say, I'm like

1013
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 2: on the cutting edge. Man, what can I say? Shout

1014
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 2: out to my parents. They were forward thinking, big shout

1015
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 2: out to my parents. You're way ahead of that.

1016
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 1: You know, your mom is black. Your dad's Mexican. Yeah, yeah,

1017
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: but you got coming up being biracial. You're not black enough,

1018
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: you're not Hispanic enough, so you kind of in purgatory,

1019
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 1: like like where do I mean, how did you? How

1020
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,320
Speaker 1: did that like as a child, because you know, a

1021
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 1: lot of my racial kids, especially if you're black or white,

1022
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 1: you're not black enough, You're not you're white enough.

1023
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 2: Well, I've gone through a lot in my life trying

1024
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 2: to trying to figure out how to make make to

1025
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:43,399
Speaker 2: get myself to a place where I felt like I

1026
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 2: was enough. Enough is the right word, because that is

1027
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 2: the feeling.

1028
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:47,399
Speaker 1: Well.

1029
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,839
Speaker 2: I wrote a whole song about this called What's Wrong

1030
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 2: Anyway on wild Heart, and I put out called wild Heart,

1031
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:59,760
Speaker 2: and it very much starts too proper for the black kids,

1032
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 2: to black, for the Mexicans, too square to be a hood,

1033
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 2: what's normally anyway? You know? And it's that that was

1034
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 2: That's how it felt growing up. I think now I don't.

1035
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 2: I'm really proud to be both. I'm so proud to

1036
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 2: be like man, I get to I'm repping for both.

1037
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 2: I don't feel like I have to. I don't have

1038
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 2: to be any more or less, you know than anything

1039
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 2: I think there's a tremendous amount of work in that feeling.

1040
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 2: So I'm I'm grateful for that, and and then shout

1041
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 2: out to everybody out there, you know, multicultural. It's definitely

1042
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 2: it's a challenge because the way that we're the world

1043
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 2: is it feels like you're supposed to choose yes, and

1044
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 2: sometimes it's insinuated that you have to be a certain way.

1045
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 2: But what I found in the in these last eight

1046
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 2: years is a tremendous amount of it acceptance first and

1047
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 2: foremost of myself, which allowed me to see that I

1048
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 2: was already accepted as both from the you know what

1049
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 2: I mean. It was already there, but I had to

1050
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 2: claim it for myself, which is an important learning.

1051
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 1: So yeah, bad money performing the super Bowl, Oh thank god, bro,

1052
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: you know a lot of people have it by then.

1053
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, and watch the money flow to where he's performing.

1054
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 2: The real thing is like we're seeing how it's really

1055
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 2: all about money. When you were asking about money, I

1056
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 2: wanted to talk about this, but my view of money

1057
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 2: is that is the that's the motive for everything, and

1058
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 2: understanding that it can't be the daily the goal like

1059
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 2: that can't be our motivation for money. But understanding it's

1060
00:57:56,400 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 2: it's significance in the paradigm and how that affects everything.

1061
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 2: So it trickles down when we hit money, when we

1062
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 2: touch the money, and when we when we stop viewing things,

1063
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 2: and then it starts. That's why when you see Jimmy

1064
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 2: Kimmel and they cancel him and they bring him back,

1065
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 2: because the viewership goes down crazy that hit the money. Yeah,

1066
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 2: you see, you feel what I'm saying. So you know,

1067
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:23,439
Speaker 2: the the super Bowl having bad Bunny, They're probably gonna

1068
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 2: make the most money they ever made. I almost would

1069
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 2: go on whatever betting side and be like, I bet

1070
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 2: you they make the most money they've ever made today

1071
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 2: because of his performance. But ultimately, the whole thing is,

1072
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 2: you know, it really comes down to the money. And

1073
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 2: when they see that bet you, they bring another lat

1074
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 2: thing on.

1075
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: On your new album Chaos, you do a couple of

1076
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 1: songs in Spanish. Why'd you do it this time? Why

1077
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 1: do you do?

1078
00:58:56,040 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 2: That's like that, that's the accepting and feeling accepted and

1079
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 2: discovering a new like it's discovering a new sense of identity,

1080
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 2: a more proud sense of identity that feels like I

1081
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 2: can be proud to be this, you know, and that

1082
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 2: I don't have to prove anything I am.

1083
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 1: You know.

1084
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 2: That felt natural, and I think also that has to

1085
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 2: do with becoming a father. Really does give you a

1086
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 2: different appreciation for where you how you were raised, and

1087
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 2: your parents and your upbringing and looking at well it has.

1088
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 1: For me.

1089
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 2: It made me look at my my experience growing up

1090
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 2: with so much gratitude and in that is my my

1091
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 2: gratitude for my for the culture I was given on

1092
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 2: both sides, and that made me feel even more empowered

1093
00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 2: and more like, no, this is very natural for me.

1094
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 2: And what it did was writing in Spanish, unlocked, saying

1095
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 2: some some things that I didn't know that I needed

1096
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 2: to say, some things that paid homage to my family

1097
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 2: that I needed to say.

1098
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 1: You mentioned touched on it. You your father now got

1099
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 1: a new baby, and you posted it on social media,

1100
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 1: blurred out the face. But but you didn't why why? Why?

1101
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 1: I mean, what made you? What made you decide? Because

1102
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 1: a lot of times when people they don't post their

1103
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 1: kids or they blur out the phase, but you like, hey,

1104
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, here's my offspring.

1105
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, the so in the in the album, not

1106
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 2: just in the album. In my life. It was having

1107
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 2: my son that really triggered a lot of the work

1108
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 2: that I needed to do and the realizations that I

1109
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 2: kind of had. It really triggered a lot of things

1110
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 2: that make this album whole. And it wasn't until writing

1111
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 2: Angel song and seeing him for the first time and

1112
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 2: forgetting the madness that's playing out in front of us

1113
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 2: that I felt a different kind of hope and faith

1114
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 2: that I haven't felt in a long long time. And

1115
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 2: so that really just gave me a whole other perspective

1116
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 2: of life, and it made me be able to finish

1117
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 2: some songs. It was so significant.

1118
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 1: Then.

1119
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 2: Also, I know that I've lived out a lot of

1120
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 2: my my relationship in the public, and this was so

1121
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 2: significant that I felt if I didn't express the immense

1122
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 2: like how proud I was to be a father, how

1123
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 2: impactful it's been on my life, and also how impactful

1124
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 2: has been on my creativity, I would have never I

1125
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 2: couldn't put out an album if it Honestly, I couldn't

1126
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 2: have put this album out if I didn't have my son.

1127
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 2: I wasn't gonna do another album I was. I don't

1128
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 2: think I would have had the at the way that

1129
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 2: I was moving or avoiding the work that needed to

1130
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 2: be done. I would not have had the fortitude to

1131
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 2: put another album out. And that's because you know, the

1132
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 2: moment you do something in the public, you become public scrutiny.

1133
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 2: Everything you do because scrutiny. And I'm tremendously sensitive about

1134
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 2: my work. And the last time I did this, I

1135
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:44,479
Speaker 2: just was like, man, you know what. I could see

1136
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 2: my influence and not just mine, but the influence of

1137
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 2: me and my peers in the work now. And at

1138
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 2: the time they said it was I was weird of

1139
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 2: they said this and that, and I had all these

1140
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 2: feelings and all these emotions, and I said, you know what,

1141
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 2: I've been lucky enough to do this, and I'm okay,

1142
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 2: I can provide for my family, and like I said

1143
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 2: about my mom, Krib, I can look out for my

1144
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 2: pole I'm doing. You know what I'm saying. I can

1145
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 2: provide for myself, myself all of these things. If anybody

1146
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 2: comes to me, I can do. Man, I did it do?

1147
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 2: I really want to deal with everybody but about this

1148
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 2: and that with no context, with also the insensitivity of

1149
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 2: like I'm a human being just like you. I've actually

1150
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 2: at every point I've given myself to this and I

1151
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 2: put it in front of you just because I'm like, man,

1152
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 2: I want to live it out out loud, and that

1153
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 2: takes a lot of energy. Anybody that you've met here

1154
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 2: knows that you know that, you know that. So I

1155
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 2: didn't know that I want to do this again. And

1156
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:51,120
Speaker 2: it was him that actually gave me the fortitude. It

1157
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 2: was him. It was having him that gave me the

1158
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 2: It was the Domino that made me look at myself,

1159
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 2: that made me find that the pride and the and

1160
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 2: the gratitude that I needed to push me into prioritizing

1161
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 2: this is what's the most important moving forward to finding

1162
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 2: that I want to give my time and attention to

1163
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 2: things that are impactful to other people. So when I

1164
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 2: am away, I can justify it and go, Daddy Babiole's away,

1165
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 2: but you know, we got to do this for these people,

1166
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 2: and look look what we're doing and look at the

1167
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 2: time that we spent. You know, I'm so sorry I

1168
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 2: was away, but this is how it I can justify that.

1169
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 2: You feel me. It was the Domino and I found

1170
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 2: so much learning and empowerment through it that I couldn't

1171
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 2: not keep it a secret. There was no way. It

1172
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 2: was such as it's such a significant part of my growth.

1173
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 2: So yeah, that was a.

1174
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:56,439
Speaker 1: Side of money. How different are you raising your son

1175
01:04:56,560 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 1: to what your dad did for you? Money aside? Do

1176
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 1: you see similarities and things that your dad said to

1177
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 1: you that you now say to your son. Obviously he's

1178
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 1: very very young, Yes, But how different or how similar

1179
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 1: are you going to raise your son to way you

1180
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 1: were raised?

1181
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 2: I would say similar. I would say my dad was

1182
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 2: like and is my dad is like? My dad was

1183
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 2: like my He didn't have the most support from his father.

1184
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 2: Not that I don't think my thought my grandfather didn't

1185
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:34,400
Speaker 2: want to support him. I think there was a lot

1186
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 2: of they're very similar.

1187
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 4: But man, I see you get emotional when you talk

1188
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:46,919
Speaker 4: about this man. My dad's the ship, he's your hero

1189
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 4: in me, he's the shit man.

1190
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 2: Mister p is the shit man.

1191
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 1: You know.

1192
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 2: He's he really believed and he always told me I

1193
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 2: could do it.

1194
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 1: He give me a lot of things, but I think

1195
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 1: the thing, the most thing that he gave you was

1196
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 1: confidence in you. That's right of all the things that

1197
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 1: he's given you your life, and he was your father,

1198
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 1: he's been in your life, but he convinced you that

1199
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 1: you could do this.

1200
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 2: It's valid, it's super valid. He never took away. I

1201
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 2: think we were born with the convincing that we need,

1202
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:25,680
Speaker 2: that we deserve, and that we are everyone all, each

1203
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:28,040
Speaker 2: and every one of us, you know. But my father

1204
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 2: was he was aware enough in his youth. He was

1205
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 2: only twenty three, twenty two going on twenty three. He

1206
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 2: was aware enough to not rob me of that to me,

1207
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 2: but to reassure me that I could. And I mean

1208
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 2: that makes me one of the luckiest people in the world.

1209
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 5: You know.

1210
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 1: Did you always want kids? Yeah?

1211
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:55,479
Speaker 2: I always thought because my dad was so dope, and look,

1212
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 2: my mom is amazing. Don't get me wrong, But I

1213
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 2: think very often we we we forget that that that

1214
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 2: dad is, you know, when we have I was lucky,

1215
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 2: you know, so I.

1216
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 1: Just because everybody's like, hi Mom, Happy Mother's Day. We

1217
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 1: do all this stuff. We do all this stuff for

1218
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 1: the mom, and we should.

1219
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 2: I don't want to say, but some ship my mom

1220
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 2: is the ship I like my mom is, especially now

1221
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 2: in my life. I'm like, it's a whole different kind of.

1222
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 1: I.

1223
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 2: I love her in a way where I felt maybe

1224
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 2: I couldn't have even understood I couldn't have understood the

1225
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 2: sacrifice of her body, of her time and her you

1226
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 2: know that she put in. But yeah, my dad was

1227
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 2: the ship in terms of like this vision and me

1228
01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:51,440
Speaker 2: being the man that I am and becoming who I am.

1229
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:54,320
Speaker 2: A lot of it is from from him, you know,

1230
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:57,080
Speaker 2: a lot of that both my parents. But my dad

1231
01:07:57,160 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 2: believed heavy and saidly, you can do whatever you What

1232
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:03,600
Speaker 2: do you want to do? Like he was like, what

1233
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:05,920
Speaker 2: do you want to do, puppy? Do you want to

1234
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 2: go to them? You want to be an astronaut? You

1235
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 2: want to you want to be a fireman, you want

1236
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:11,440
Speaker 2: to be a teeth? What do you want to be?

1237
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 2: You can do it whatever. If I said today, if

1238
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:16,759
Speaker 2: I said anything, he would be like, you can do that. Wow,

1239
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:20,200
Speaker 2: you can do it right, and he'll be real about it,

1240
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 2: you know. So I have a tremendous There's a special

1241
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:27,000
Speaker 2: thing about my father. He's just he's the ship man.

1242
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 1: You don't get married again. You asks you and your

1243
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 1: ex your dated ten, you tated ten years before you

1244
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:34,600
Speaker 1: got married, you was married for eight nine years. You

1245
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:36,000
Speaker 1: see marriage in your future again?

1246
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 2: The real short answer is no, probably, probably not. I'll

1247
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:48,040
Speaker 2: probably never get married again. I think I'm open to

1248
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:56,519
Speaker 2: it if I feel that the real partnership is supports it,

1249
01:08:56,880 --> 01:08:59,519
Speaker 2: and that's really the thing. But right now, I'm very

1250
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:02,719
Speaker 2: happy to love someone, and I'm very happy to be loved,

1251
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 2: you know, and and to really be able to lock in,

1252
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 2: especially on behalf of our son. So where even though

1253
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 2: I may not believe in the construct of marriage because

1254
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:18,000
Speaker 2: of what it actually has become is a marketing thing. Yeah,

1255
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 2: I believe in the in the partnership part, you know

1256
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:25,640
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So I may not call it marriage,

1257
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 2: but I do believe in locking in with somebody and

1258
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 2: having partnership whatever that means for anyone out there, you

1259
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:31,599
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.

1260
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:34,639
Speaker 1: However, that looks You're gonna bless us with a new

1261
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:39,120
Speaker 1: another song from the track on the album Chaos. It's

1262
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 1: called New Martyrs.

1263
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we gotta do it.

1264
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:42,800
Speaker 1: Listen.

1265
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:58,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got a chip on my show, I got publick.

1266
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 3: Oh my ways, I checked the time on my phone.

1267
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 2: I'll put this mask on my faith.

1268
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:11,480
Speaker 3: If you tell me that you're wheaty babe, you whety babe.

1269
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 3: Tell me that you're wheaty babe, because I'm whty babe.

1270
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 3: I got my pride on my sleep, I got my

1271
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:26,559
Speaker 3: seat on my mind. If this shit don't go, it's playing,

1272
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 3: swear I won't leave you be high. If you tell

1273
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:34,760
Speaker 3: me that you're whety babe, Oh are you way bad?

1274
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:35,840
Speaker 1: Babe?

1275
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:37,800
Speaker 2: Tell me that you're wheaty.

1276
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 3: Babe, because I'm why babe.

1277
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:51,720
Speaker 1: She said, ah rath you rid you?

1278
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:57,440
Speaker 2: Oh I rithy.

1279
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:04,160
Speaker 5: You tell me that you're withy baby, cause I'm with

1280
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:08,839
Speaker 5: it harding. Yeah, yeah yeah.

1281
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 2: Now if we go, baby.

1282
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:23,519
Speaker 3: Ready, I put two shots in and tell everybody to drop.

1283
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:28,800
Speaker 3: They hit that side along. Just keep your eyes on

1284
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:32,120
Speaker 3: that clock. I'm watch them while you get it, babe.

1285
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 2: Yeh, get it babe.

1286
01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:41,560
Speaker 3: No matter what they call us lawless or new marts,

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01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 3: they say, God never gets oh anymore than.

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01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 4: He can.

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01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 3: What march?

1290
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 2: Can I lose with.

1291
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 5: Changing?

1292
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:09,599
Speaker 1: Who?

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01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, gimme what's my? Or we gonna take it?

1294
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 1: Take it? Yeah?

1295
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:21,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, gimmy what's mine?

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01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:28,240
Speaker 3: And if I hear Cibrin's outside now I can't see

1297
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 3: the LFE flash, let me kiss you goodbye?

1298
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:35,960
Speaker 2: You know, bready the blash.

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01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:45,639
Speaker 5: And she said, a bribe you, yeah, bye to you?

1300
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:51,360
Speaker 5: Oh ribing you?

1301
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 2: How minute to with it?

1302
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 5: Babe?

1303
01:12:57,600 --> 01:12:59,560
Speaker 3: With it Harna.

1304
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:08,120
Speaker 5: Can't be sad.

1305
01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:17,960
Speaker 4: System Wow, yeah, yeah, banger.

1306
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:21,240
Speaker 1: How did that song come about?

1307
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:25,679
Speaker 2: That song is just about being angry. It's about being

1308
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 2: angry with all of the all of the injustice that

1309
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:35,519
Speaker 2: we're seeing, especially like on a human level, and like

1310
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 2: how we're also seeing extreme action being taken that's relatable,

1311
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:50,720
Speaker 2: that feels that could be felt as like justified. I

1312
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:52,639
Speaker 2: think we're going to see more and more of that

1313
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 2: as we go on, because we're just watching the systems

1314
01:13:55,200 --> 01:14:01,160
Speaker 2: by which we're meant to express are once our demands,

1315
01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:04,519
Speaker 2: what we deserve in this out of this country, we're

1316
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:07,439
Speaker 2: going to see as we're seeing that fail, we're going

1317
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:09,960
Speaker 2: to see more and more people taking extreme action. I mean,

1318
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:13,880
Speaker 2: it's wild to watch people be killed on tell you know,

1319
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:17,080
Speaker 2: in the news. You know, people who are making decisions

1320
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:22,280
Speaker 2: that affect people on an everyday basis, making decisions that

1321
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:26,040
Speaker 2: affect their pockets at the expense of human and human beings,

1322
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:30,400
Speaker 2: you know. So it's I think this song comes from

1323
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 2: just that anger of watching that happen in front of us.

1324
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:36,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, how difficult is it to see a lot of

1325
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:39,800
Speaker 1: people Some people have been here ten, fifteen, twenty years,

1326
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:43,760
Speaker 1: thirty years, hard working people that have paid taxes and

1327
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:45,120
Speaker 1: families being ripped apart.

1328
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:48,559
Speaker 2: Man, there are people being pulled out of their homes.

1329
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:51,200
Speaker 2: We're talking about citizens being pulled out of their homes.

1330
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 2: This is like, this is like estopo type shit that

1331
01:14:55,520 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 2: we're seeing. And the question is what does it look like?

1332
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:03,479
Speaker 2: Not today and tomorrow, but what does it look like

1333
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:06,280
Speaker 2: in a year from now? Like, how does it look

1334
01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:09,240
Speaker 2: ten years from now? And what does that mean for us?

1335
01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:15,800
Speaker 2: You know, that's the question. When you look at the

1336
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:22,479
Speaker 2: parallels in terms of Nazi Germany and the the just

1337
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:28,719
Speaker 2: the signs that were kind of like pointing towards where

1338
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:33,880
Speaker 2: there where the energy was was going. There's a lot

1339
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:37,400
Speaker 2: of parallels. It's a lot of parallels. The institution of

1340
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 2: kind of a private force kind of enforcing the right,

1341
01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:54,000
Speaker 2: the enforcing that nationalistic sort of narrative that immigrants shouldn't

1342
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 2: be there, you know, and to the point where they

1343
01:15:56,479 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 2: were it was. It's very similar. It's very similar. So,

1344
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:03,480
Speaker 2: you know, it's a scary time. It's a trip.

1345
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:09,000
Speaker 1: As a society. Are we becoming more desensitized it used

1346
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:11,439
Speaker 1: to be when we saw something on television. I can't

1347
01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 1: believe that we were shocked. It was shocked the very

1348
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:16,639
Speaker 1: conscious of our soul. Now we see it and we're

1349
01:16:16,720 --> 01:16:17,439
Speaker 1: just like, oh.

1350
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:21,280
Speaker 2: Okay, man, everybody got a million things going on, so

1351
01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 2: it's easy. And then the scroll is so it's just like,

1352
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:26,519
Speaker 2: you know, this is every day.

1353
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:28,800
Speaker 1: It's not impacting me. So I just keep it moving.

1354
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:32,720
Speaker 2: That's how. And to a degree, you can't. Really this

1355
01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:35,479
Speaker 2: is systematic, though, we have to pay attention to the

1356
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:38,080
Speaker 2: fact that it's like being systematic. It wasn't always like

1357
01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:41,679
Speaker 2: this exactly. It's just every you know, just a new update,

1358
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:45,880
Speaker 2: new new thing. They rolling out a new initiative. It's

1359
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:49,360
Speaker 2: a new thing. It's just inch by inch. Then you

1360
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:51,760
Speaker 2: figure out then you realize how far away you were

1361
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:56,160
Speaker 2: from the goal, you know. And so I do think

1362
01:16:56,240 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 2: it's it's with intention and I and it's with a

1363
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:03,920
Speaker 2: long view, you know. I think this is this is

1364
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:05,519
Speaker 2: not a short term No, yeah, this is not a

1365
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:09,759
Speaker 2: short term play. So look, I'm not I don't pretend

1366
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:12,080
Speaker 2: to be like I'm I know all the history and

1367
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:16,200
Speaker 2: all that, but I've done a little bit of research

1368
01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:20,000
Speaker 2: and I know how I feel, and that's where the

1369
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:25,320
Speaker 2: song really actually comes comes from. It comes from man,

1370
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 2: you know, it's really feeling like something's off right. And

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01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:33,240
Speaker 2: I will wager most people feel like something's not right.

1372
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:36,280
Speaker 2: You know, something's not right. So you know, the song

1373
01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:38,240
Speaker 2: is really meant to just reflect the angst. I think

1374
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:44,439
Speaker 2: that we're all feeling that we deserve better, and I'm

1375
01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:46,800
Speaker 2: really happy that, you know, we're able to perform it today.

1376
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, Mikah, you're part of Hispanic. When you see

1377
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:53,920
Speaker 1: Hispanics for Trump and you see what's happening in your community,

1378
01:17:54,200 --> 01:17:57,519
Speaker 1: like you said, some law abiding citizens, some people have

1379
01:17:57,560 --> 01:18:00,600
Speaker 1: paid taxes for twenty thirty years, and some this is

1380
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:03,719
Speaker 1: this is the only home they know. They don't know Mexico,

1381
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:07,479
Speaker 1: wherever they came from. They know this, and they're being

1382
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:10,840
Speaker 1: pulled apart. When you see Hispanics for Trump and you

1383
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:13,880
Speaker 1: see what's happening in your community, do you feel a

1384
01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:15,280
Speaker 1: certain type of way.

1385
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:17,800
Speaker 2: I'm not here to judge anybody, you know. I think

1386
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 2: everyone is allowed their own perspective. That's the whole beauty

1387
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:24,400
Speaker 2: of what was supposed to be. You know, a democratic

1388
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:27,320
Speaker 2: system in America, right, listen, You're free to believe, and

1389
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:29,799
Speaker 2: you know, believe as you as you will and express

1390
01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:33,240
Speaker 2: you know, with the due process your your opinions, right.

1391
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:41,200
Speaker 2: I do think that there's there's so much information that

1392
01:18:41,240 --> 01:18:44,120
Speaker 2: it's hard to see the truth, and even the truth

1393
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:47,439
Speaker 2: you have to do a lot, you have to search

1394
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:50,880
Speaker 2: for where the truth is coming from. I think also

1395
01:18:50,920 --> 01:18:54,959
Speaker 2: systematically how we get information is being controlled what information

1396
01:18:55,160 --> 01:19:00,599
Speaker 2: we get and and seeing seeing the information in its

1397
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:05,960
Speaker 2: pure state, uncut, unstepped on you, you feel me. It's

1398
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:09,120
Speaker 2: so it's it's a it's a task, and we're already

1399
01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:13,479
Speaker 2: so tired. So I understand that people can be it's

1400
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 2: easy to uh maneuver people in and skew skew the

1401
01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:23,080
Speaker 2: truth in a way that maybe appeals to, you know,

1402
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:29,240
Speaker 2: certain people. I don't judge anybody for how they feel. Look,

1403
01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:33,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you I have democratic beliefs, and I

1404
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:36,599
Speaker 2: have you know what I mean, Republican beliefs. That's that's

1405
01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:39,800
Speaker 2: and I think the bipartisan system overall is really at

1406
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:43,280
Speaker 2: the core of the Look, we a lot of that

1407
01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:45,759
Speaker 2: is is it's rooted in a lot of the same

1408
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:48,680
Speaker 2: spirit executed in a different manner, you know.

1409
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:50,920
Speaker 1: And so but we used to be able to could talk.

1410
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:53,400
Speaker 1: Now we can't. Now we can't even talk. Oh you

1411
01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:55,360
Speaker 1: over there will stay over there. I'm over here. I

1412
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:57,560
Speaker 1: will stay over here. I just make you over the

1413
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:00,679
Speaker 1: come you got your It used to be okay, agree

1414
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:05,679
Speaker 1: to disagree. Now we can't disagree. Yeah, yeah, we disagree.

1415
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:06,120
Speaker 1: I hate you.

1416
01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 2: It's because it's become too sensitive. Everything I think is

1417
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 2: everyone is very sensitive or overall there's a sensitivity that

1418
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:19,880
Speaker 2: actually works against getting to a solution. And the greater.

1419
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:22,680
Speaker 2: The greater ones always say that they're willing to come

1420
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:25,760
Speaker 2: to the table, that they want to have conversation in

1421
01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:28,200
Speaker 2: order to find solution. And I think anyone who takes

1422
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:31,920
Speaker 2: a strong stance in terms of our representatives so as

1423
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:36,440
Speaker 2: to to sort of like rule out having real conversation,

1424
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:41,519
Speaker 2: constructive criticism, and conversation around issues is a red flat.

1425
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:43,519
Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna get you out here on this.

1426
01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:48,599
Speaker 1: Your father was black, My father's Mexican Mexican. Your mother

1427
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:54,120
Speaker 1: is black black, so you're biracial. And then his mom,

1428
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:59,439
Speaker 1: your son's mom is an Asian. So are you gonna

1429
01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:03,920
Speaker 1: sit down and explained to him you're part Asian, you're

1430
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:07,000
Speaker 1: part Hispanic. You have the best of both worlds. You

1431
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:08,439
Speaker 1: don't have to choose a side.

1432
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:13,320
Speaker 2: You have the best food from all plays like yeah

1433
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:22,680
Speaker 2: you all, you got the lads and you got all Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1434
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:21,840
Speaker 1: I will.

1435
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:31,080
Speaker 2: I will do my best to instill in him the

1436
01:21:31,240 --> 01:21:35,559
Speaker 2: fact that he is more of an enough and he's human.

1437
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:41,040
Speaker 2: And from what I've learned through art is that this

1438
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:46,880
Speaker 2: whole experience is about humanity and all of the things

1439
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:51,080
Speaker 2: that people think are different about you a reflection of

1440
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:56,759
Speaker 2: they're interfacing with this world and with this thing. But really,

1441
01:21:56,800 --> 01:21:59,000
Speaker 2: what I hope to instill in him is that he

1442
01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:05,559
Speaker 2: will have to find his wholeness and and and in

1443
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:09,000
Speaker 2: in this whole thing or maintain it. And I'm more

1444
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:11,599
Speaker 2: than anything want to boaster that. I want to I

1445
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:13,920
Speaker 2: want to protect that he always feels whole and never

1446
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:18,200
Speaker 2: feels any question. But but no one can make anyone

1447
01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:23,879
Speaker 2: feel more or less that they don't decide to subscribe

1448
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:25,840
Speaker 2: to you know what I'm saying. It's like, so what

1449
01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:28,920
Speaker 2: I hope to do is just instill in him that man,

1450
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:34,320
Speaker 2: he's he is everything, all powerful, all knowing already you

1451
01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:36,320
Speaker 2: know what I mean, He's got it in him. He's

1452
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:39,440
Speaker 2: a he's a reflection of the source.

1453
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:39,800
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

1454
01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:43,559
Speaker 2: We are made in his image, And as long as

1455
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:47,519
Speaker 2: I can can help protect that by just by you know,

1456
01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:50,839
Speaker 2: reminding that he's everything is possible. All things are possible

1457
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:54,800
Speaker 2: if you can feel it and see it and imagine

1458
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:57,720
Speaker 2: it clearly, and to move in that direction with like

1459
01:22:57,840 --> 01:23:00,360
Speaker 2: real principle. I think we one.

1460
01:23:00,479 --> 01:23:04,760
Speaker 1: You know. This is Miguel. His album Drops Chaos. Make

1461
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:07,240
Speaker 1: sure you go stream it and buy it, grab your

1462
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:10,600
Speaker 1: tickets for his North American tour with kicks off February

1463
01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:16,320
Speaker 1: tenth of twenty twenty six. And he's a scholar at NYU. Miguel,

1464
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:18,280
Speaker 1: thank you so much, Thank you.

1465
01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:20,240
Speaker 2: I appreciated all.

1466
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:23,280
Speaker 3: My life, grinding all my life, sacrifics.

1467
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:26,760
Speaker 5: Hustle paid the price right Wanta Slice, got the brother

1468
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:28,479
Speaker 5: Dice the swat all my life.

1469
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:32,240
Speaker 3: Iopp be grinding all my life, all my life, grinding all.

1470
01:23:32,160 --> 01:23:37,360
Speaker 2: My life sacrifice. Hustle paid the price in one slice, got.

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01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:39,200
Speaker 3: The Bronc dis swatch all my life.

1472
01:23:39,240 --> 01:23:42,960
Speaker 4: I'p be grinding all my life