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Speaker 1: M introduction. I'm Robert Evans. This is Behind the Bastards,

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Speaker 1: the podcast we tell you everything you don't know about

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Speaker 1: the very worst people in all of history. With me

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Speaker 1: today is Brandy Posey. Hello. Are you doing Brandy? I'm

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Speaker 1: doing pretty great. I'm excited to get into this. Brandy.

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Speaker 1: You are a stand up comedian. Uh get any pluggable

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Speaker 1: to to to kick off at the start here? Uh? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I tore around quite a bit. You can go to

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Speaker 1: Brandy Posey dot com Brandy with an I E Posy

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Speaker 1: with an E y for all of my tour dates.

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Speaker 1: I also have a podcast called Lady to Lady um

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Speaker 1: that is very, very fun. We've had a lot of

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Speaker 1: really also in past guests like Margaret Trow and French

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Speaker 1: start Um. So come check that out to Normally we

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Speaker 1: work all that out ahead of time, and I introduced it.

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Speaker 1: But Sophie isn't here, and as you can tell, like everything,

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Speaker 1: everything's a nightmare. It's okay. You you have like a

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Speaker 1: terror in your eyes. Oh it's it's horrifying. Thought of

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Speaker 1: not knowing what to do. I don't know how to do.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what we're gonna do. Ad breaks. This

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Speaker 1: is this is the end for all of us. Do

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Speaker 1: you want me to count something down for you? No? No,

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Speaker 1: I should I put on a Sophie wig of some

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Speaker 1: kind of that. What will calm your nerves properly? For

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Speaker 1: this recording? The only possible thing to do in the

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Speaker 1: face of chaos is to just completely yield to the

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Speaker 1: chaos and give up even trying to structure the show perfect.

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Speaker 1: Sounds great? Yeah, I think that's I think that's the plan. Okay,

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Speaker 1: explains why you're standing on the table? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Now, Brandy, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Today we have a subject that is near and dear

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Speaker 1: to no one's hearts, but more important than I think

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Speaker 1: a lot of people give it credit to. Today we're

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Speaker 1: talking about how Hitler fucked. Oh so glad you called

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Speaker 1: me for this one. I'm flattered. Well, I mean we

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Speaker 1: had you want to talk about Stalin and his his

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Speaker 1: his love of pranks and djaying and drinking more than

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Speaker 1: anyone else and now and fucking Hitler feels like a prank. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well maybe or maybe not. I can't my my predictions

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Speaker 1: out of the gate. Can I give a prediction? Very

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Speaker 1: curious for that? Not a generous lover? Okay? And also

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Speaker 1: gonna say this. Um not going to shame somebody for

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Speaker 1: having a small penis because that is outside of your control.

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Speaker 1: But real angry guy never feeling he probably has a

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Speaker 1: little little guy. The funny thing about Hitler because Hitler,

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Speaker 1: Hitler's like the one person people have talked about more

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Speaker 1: than any other single person in the storm, always been

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Speaker 1: written about him and whatnot. Everything you just talked about,

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Speaker 1: the possibility he had a micro penis, the possibility he

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Speaker 1: was not a generous lover. This has all been debated

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Speaker 1: by like elderly scholars from Stanford and Cambridge at link.

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Speaker 1: Like That's one of the fun things about Hitler studies

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Speaker 1: it's it's a thing. Imagine dedicating your career to that,

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Speaker 1: Like mom, dadam majoring in Hitler Dick, Well, just Hitler

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Speaker 1: studies in general. And if you're going to be into

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Speaker 1: Hitler studies, you're gonna have some questions about his dick. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: pH dick, pH dick in Hitler's fucking This is not

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Speaker 1: going to be the most adult episode in certain points,

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Speaker 1: but I'm good with that. I think you'll be surprised

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Speaker 1: where it goes. I do like that in front of

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Speaker 1: me on the table while recording. We do have a

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Speaker 1: product called a Purina busy bone, which is just right

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Speaker 1: on the table in front of me. Speaking of busy bones, Yes,

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Speaker 1: Hitler's it's debatable. It's all very very heavy bone. Didn't

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Speaker 1: get very busy, lazy bone. It's possible his bone got

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Speaker 1: a lot busier than people give him credit for. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot of debate around this topic. There's even a

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Speaker 1: lot of debate about the nature of his genitals. In

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Speaker 1: addition to the question that like the OSS, the precursor

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Speaker 1: not yet a micro penis. Based on some interviews with

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Speaker 1: some people, there's a hypothesis that a goat bit off

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Speaker 1: his dick when he was very young, and that that

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Speaker 1: if it's the secret Hitler's madness. Yeah, I mean that's true.

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Speaker 1: but very small Nana no no, no, no no no.

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Speaker 1: That was like a British ditty. But there were real

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to make sure that that wasn't like

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Speaker 1: we have interviews with a couple of different doctors who,

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Speaker 1: and they all say perfectly normal. So there's no hard

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Speaker 1: evidence of that, but it has been debated a lot,

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Speaker 1: and I do think it's important that people know for

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Speaker 1: historical context that when bombs were raining down on London,

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Speaker 1: people were comfort themselves with songs about Hitler and Garring's genitalia. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: to the core quite like a parody song. No it doesn't.

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Speaker 1: Let's uh, let's dive deeper into this. Let's get in there.

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Speaker 1: Let's just get on in there. So, as you might

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Speaker 1: my notes for that whole discussion about Hitler's genitalia and

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Speaker 1: the rumors about it, I am what you might call

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Speaker 1: a Hitler nerd. I've read enough biographies of the man

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Speaker 1: that I've started reading books about Hitler, biographies that are

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Speaker 1: essentially comparing all of the different biographies of Hitler, and

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Speaker 1: like like biographies about writing biographies about Hitler. It's a problem. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's not good. Do you have like a shell? Is

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Speaker 1: I own a couple of physical copies, but I I

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Speaker 1: serial killer, psychologist claims in new book. So that's that's

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Speaker 1: Ellis Pilgrim. Uh. And is that like a new like

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Speaker 1: that's a very dark cat in the Hat, Hitler one

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Speaker 1: not uh read German, which is almost the title of

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Speaker 1: a great podcast. There's podcast called I Don't Speak German

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Speaker 1: about the ault, right, but people should listen to if

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Speaker 1: they want. It's kind of like my show, but way

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Speaker 1: find the book, but I did find some claims that

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Speaker 1: Hitler was a sexually confused serial killer whose violence was

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Speaker 1: driven by lust. In his new book, Mr Volker claims

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Speaker 1: Pilgrim talks about how he suspects there's a connection between

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Speaker 1: at the thought of violence gave him the desire to

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Speaker 1: for killing is the decisive feature of serial killers, the

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Speaker 1: question inevitably arises. Was Hitler a serial killer who murdered

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Speaker 1: for the purpose of his gratification. Hitler's sexuality, I believe

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Speaker 1: it just probably wouldn't have worked as well. No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: it definitely would not. So historians debate over the exact

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Speaker 1: nature of the genealogy further back than Hitler's dad. But

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00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:40,080
Speaker 1: his dad was a bastard bad least. Maybe we don't

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Speaker 1: even know that much. All of this is still debated.

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Speaker 1: The odds that Hitler was ashamed of a secret Jewish

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Speaker 1: person in his past, though, are lower than the odds

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Speaker 1: that he was just worried people would find out his

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Speaker 1: dad was gross. Aloys Hitler was a mid level customs

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Speaker 1: official in brown Ow, Austria. He had been respected in

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Speaker 1: the local community, but his middle management image belide the

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Speaker 1: reality of a man who repeatedly may a children, Eloise's

436
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:07,040
Speaker 1: cool where it's wondering when pedophiles are going to be

437
00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:08,640
Speaker 1: a part of the story. They will be a part

438
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Speaker 1: of this story all the way through? Well, oh am

439
00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:17,800
Speaker 1: I not surprised by that great naziason gross sexual story. Wow. Yeah.

440
00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,560
Speaker 1: Everybody focuses on the possibility that there was poosh sex

441
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,119
Speaker 1: the stuff that we know is so much grosser than pooping,

442
00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,880
Speaker 1: like that's whatever. People who were perfectly fine can enjoy

443
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,440
Speaker 1: that sort of thing. What we're talking about with Hitler

444
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:34,439
Speaker 1: and his dad, both cases fucked up objectively, Yeah you can.

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Speaker 1: You can have consensual posh sex whatever, whatever. Just clean

446
00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,840
Speaker 1: your own sheets, clean your own sheets, or pay your

447
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:45,399
Speaker 1: cleaning lady incredibly well, you know, I'm sure there's some

448
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 1: people who take that job. So Eloise's first wife was

449
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Speaker 1: much much older than him, and she died after a

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Speaker 1: few years of marriage. Some of the rumors or that

451
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 1: he married her for her money, which whatever. While Elois

452
00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,399
Speaker 1: was married, but while his first wife was sick, he

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Speaker 1: moved a sixteen year old girl into their home to

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Speaker 1: be his serving maid. This girl, Clara, was his niece.

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Speaker 1: Now cooler now. John Toland, who's one of the pre

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Speaker 1: eminent Hitler biographers of all times, uh says that Clara

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Speaker 1: was hot quote with abundant dark hair. He claims that

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Speaker 1: she was quote installed with the Hitler's at an end

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Speaker 1: where Alois was already carrying on an affair with the

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Speaker 1: kitchen maid Francisca. So when Alois his first wife is alive.

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Speaker 1: He's got this sixteen year old niece who he's hitting on,

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Speaker 1: and also this like seventeen year old kitchen maid named Francisca,

463
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Speaker 1: both of whom he's like starting up a thing with

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Speaker 1: while his first wife is alive and dying. So when

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Speaker 1: his first wife died, Alois got her money and married Francisca.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna quote now from the fantastic book explaining Hitler.

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Speaker 1: After his first wife died, developments in the Alois Hitler

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Speaker 1: household began to take on the appearance of a maimed

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Speaker 1: French farce. After a period of living conjugally but without

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Speaker 1: the benefit of clergy and with the kitchen maid, while

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Speaker 1: simultaneously enjoying the services of the even younger maid and

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Speaker 1: niece Clara, he married the older one. Well, good for him,

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Speaker 1: Good for him picking that seventeen year old, not the

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Speaker 1: sixteen year old. I guess how old is he at

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Speaker 1: this point? He is in his forties now. According to

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Speaker 1: John Toland, Francisco was quote only too aware of how

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Speaker 1: tempting a pretty maid could be to the success was

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Speaker 1: to the susceptible Alois. After the wedding, the first thing

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Speaker 1: she did was get rid of Clara. Luckily for Alois,

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00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 1: his second wife soon died, allowing him to finally realize

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00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 1: his true dream of marrying his teenage niece. How do

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Speaker 1: you know how how did Francesca cancer? It was a

483
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 1: lot of cancer in the Hitler family tree. He was

484
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 1: kind of scared about not enough cancer among the Hitlers.

485
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 1: Some juvenile leukemia would have really doubt with some problems

486
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Speaker 1: for the world would not often I stand for juvenile leukemia,

487
00:23:53,600 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 1: but for Hitler, get up in them bones out. Oh

488
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,639
Speaker 1: so uh. The only thing getting in the way of

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00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 1: Alois Hitler and his true love with his teenage niece

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Speaker 1: was the fact that they were very close relatives. They

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Speaker 1: officially share the same grand uncle, Johann Jorge Hidler. Now,

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Speaker 1: even in the late eighteen hundreds, marrying your teenage niece

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00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 1: was sort of frowned upon. Yeah, yeah, I see that.

494
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 1: This is not one of those things where no is

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00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 1: normal at the time, everybody's marrying their sixteen year old

496
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:29,360
Speaker 1: serving girl niece. Alois had to get special dispensation from

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Speaker 1: the pope to marry and continue fucking his niece. He

498
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 1: wanted to funck his niece so bad he got papal

499
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 1: approval Oh my god, that's that's Hitler's dad. Just dear pope,

500
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: dear Pope, I got my niece. You gotta see this girl.

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00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 1: Let me send you a couple of pictures. I drew

502
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 1: some creatures just because you chose to be a seller.

503
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Speaker 1: But doesn't mean I need to be a sell a

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Speaker 1: bit and I'd like to break that with a child

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Speaker 1: with a child related to, related to and kind of

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Speaker 1: morally responsible to. Can I give a thumb? Can I

507
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Speaker 1: get a thumbs up? Thumbs up? Thumbs down? What's Catholicism say?

508
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,120
Speaker 1: And the pope just said, go for it, go for it. Yeah,

509
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: Hitler's dad had every official papal permission to fuck his niece.

510
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 1: All popes are great, never done anything wrong. What a

511
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: great thing to exist a pope? Hitler is Catholic? Oh yeah,

512
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 1: I mean Hitler didn't really give a ship. Well, I

513
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 1: mean he was a hitlerst Yeah, like technically I guess

514
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 1: on the paper. Yeah, And at that point in Austria,

515
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 1: you're not going to not you gotta be straight with

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Speaker 1: the Catholic Church. It's Austria. It's Austria in the late

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Speaker 1: eight hundreds. How does this guy not get like the

518
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: sin guilt ship worked into him. I mean, he might have.

519
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: I assumed there were a lot. I assume there was talk.

520
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 1: I assume people were like, it's kind of fucked up, right,

521
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,959
Speaker 1: but it feels so bad about sucking my niece child. Well,

522
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Speaker 1: I don't know if he did, but I'm gonna I'm

523
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Speaker 1: gonna guess people in town, and there were some like

524
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 1: but you know, those people all died of typhus, you know,

525
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: so we don't know what they were talking about. Not

526
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:13,400
Speaker 1: enough all them austrious, Okay. So to make things even creepier,

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Speaker 1: According to Ron Rosenbaum's explaining Hitler quote, even after the

528
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: Vatican granted the dispensation, Clara continued to call her new

529
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 1: husband what she called him when she was still his

530
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 1: maid mistress uncle. So Hitler's mom called his dad uncle

531
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 1: the whole time Hitler was a kid. That's worse than

532
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 1: when parents call each other mother and father. Yeah, that's

533
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:36,640
Speaker 1: grosser than that's like Mike pince Ship on another law Yeah, yeah,

534
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:41,880
Speaker 1: my uncle. Yeah, it's gross. It's really gross, really nasty. Yeah,

535
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: this is the relationship Adolf Hitler was born into. So

536
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say in fairness to Hitler because

537
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: you don't give Hitler credit for anything because he's Hitler. Yeah,

538
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 1: but as a baby, that's a rough situation to land in. Yeah. Also,

539
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 1: this is some classic uncle bullshit. Yeah, you always got

540
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: a good uncle in a bad When you got a

541
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: bad uncle, is nothing worse than a bad uncle. Hitler's

542
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: dad was like the platonic ideal of a bad uncle,

543
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: like the uncle that everyone's like, can he not come to?

544
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 1: Can you not have him around? Please? Just put that

545
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: uncle out of everything. Okay. So Hitler's dad marries two

546
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 1: women that Hitler biographer Ian Kershaw describes as young enough

547
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: to be his children. As a dad, he's remembered generally

548
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: as a strict authoritarian figure, but most people who knew

549
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 1: the family when his dad was alive say that Alois

550
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 1: wasn't you know, particularly violent or bad by the standards

551
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: of the time towards his kid or his wife. We

552
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: would probably almost certainly call the discipline that Hitler endured

553
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 1: child abuse today, but it was not out of the

554
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 1: norm for the area, and most of the boys in

555
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 1: Austria who grew up around Hitler didn't grow up to

556
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: be Hitler. So you don't want to put too much

557
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: influence on the fact that his dad was an authoritarian.

558
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,199
Speaker 1: But a lot of the boys around Hitler did grow

559
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 1: up to be Nazis, So let's not discount the impact

560
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 1: of authoritarian parenting either. But it's probably not what we're

561
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 1: looking for for looking for the whole reason Hitler went

562
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: all crazy, the fact that his dad hit him sometimes. Yeah, exactly,

563
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: it's like, that's not going to be that doesn't that's

564
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: a real a Z Yeah. Next, yeah, exactly. You're you're

565
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 1: leaving out some stuff if you if you drop it

566
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 1: down to that, um my uncle, father, my uncle, my uncle, daddy,

567
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: Jesus oh Hitler. Uh. So we're going to dig into

568
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: Hitler as a young man in his early love affairs

569
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 1: and spoilers. They're as creepy as everything else in this

570
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: podcast is going to be. I'm not surprised if you

571
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: thought Hitler the dad was bad. No, Yeah, there's no

572
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: way like Hitler. Adolph is like a lothario coming from

573
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: this place at all. Know what surprising is how much

574
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: like Elliott Roger he is. Oh, I'm not surprised that

575
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: like fucking losers. Of course, that is the overwhelming thing

576
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: that you say to yourself when you get into some

577
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: real deep study of the Nazis. Is these fucking losers?

578
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: You can say, Uh, you know who's not losers though, Brandy,

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00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: the wonderful sponsors who support this show and or program

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Speaker 1: add money. I'm spinning out of control here. Products We're back, boy.

582
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: I love those products. Hate Hitler hate exactly. And there's

583
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: nothing that's a squeegee for your brain as well as

584
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: a solid product or just a nice service, especially on

585
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: like a hot Hitler full day, just like being told

586
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: the possibility, the possibilities. You know what. Nazis didn't like possibilities,

587
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: but that's what you get with products and services, possibilities.

588
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: A lot of good economic discourse coming out of this episode.

589
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: We should write a book. Let's write another Hitler book.

590
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: There weren't enough of their There should be a couple

591
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: more hit Their books. Okay, so most of our what

592
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: Hitler think about square space? Yeah? Why would Hitler think

593
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: about square space? I don't like the free speech of

594
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: the internet. You know, I hate to say this because

595
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: it's what I do to make my living. But Hitler

596
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: would a thousand percent be a podcaster if you were

597
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: around the day. Absolutely. I mean, he like wrote at

598
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: length about how the best way, the only real way

599
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: to convince anyone of anything was with the human voice,

600
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: and like the power of like radio to isolate someone

601
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: with a voice and to really influence their thought, which

602
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: is one of the things that scares me about the

603
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: podcast era. But we're getting Yeah, he would be like

604
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: an Alex Jones type, but with his own show. Yeah,

605
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: but like, yeah, he would be a lot more popular

606
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: than Alex. Yeah he would because I don't think Alex

607
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: has a problem saying the quiet parts loud, and Hitler was,

608
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: up until the point where he took power, usually pretty

609
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: good about quietly saying the loud parts. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,

610
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: I mean that's why he won. Yeah yeah yeah. So

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Speaker 1: most of our evidence for young Hitler's early love affairs

612
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: comes from a dude named August Kubazek. Now. Kubazek is

613
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: a heavily debated figure amongst Hitler scholars. He wrote a

614
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: book about his childhood with Hitler after the war. Uh.

615
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: It apparently started during the Third Reich as a pro

616
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: Hitler like Nazi biography, and then after the war he

617
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: was like, well, I mean I've already got this stuff down.

618
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: People are gonna want to know what Hitler was like

619
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: as a kid. So I'm gonna write this book. Um.

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00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: Some of what he says is definitely either a lie

621
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: or stretching the truth. There's a lot of debate over

622
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: how much to trust him. But it's also incontrovertible that

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00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: he grew up with Hitler, that he was Hitler's really

624
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: only friend as a kid, and that they lived together.

625
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: They were essentially like freshman college roommates in the big city.

626
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: Like so he no one else has this perspective. So

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00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: kubas Ex book is an irreplaceable source for the early

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00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: years of Hitler's life. You can't under like you have

629
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: to you have to be critically read him. You have

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00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: to read him. Um. I've read kubaz x book, of course,

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Speaker 1: and it's really interesting. If you do take it, I

632
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: would recommend reading like a John Toland or and Ian

633
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: Kershaw biography first and then go into kubas Ex. Got

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00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: some sort of context for it. Um, I'm gonna be

635
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Speaker 1: quoting from all three of these sources in the next

636
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: little bit here because it provides any good synthesis, and

637
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: I trust those guys to separate probable truth from probable

638
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: live better than I trust myself because they're elderly Hitler

639
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: scholars and I'm just a Hitler nerd anyway, perfect Kubazek

640
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: recalls exactly one romantic focus for Hitler in his young years,

641
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: a girl named Stephanie who lived in Lenz. That was

642
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: the small town that he grew up in. Now. Hitler

643
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: was madly in love with Stephanie, and we have no

644
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: evidence that she ever knew anything about him. In fact,

645
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: later in life after the war, when she was told

646
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: that Adolf Hitler had been in love with her, she

647
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: was shocked and horrified, Which is it's a dick move

648
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: to tell any what that O, man, what a bummer,

649
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: because you're just like, am I responsible? Like you get

650
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: through this horrible war. She was an Austria, she saw

651
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: some ship. It would have been a nightmare for anyone

652
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: living at that age. And you get through this horrible war,

653
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: and then like years later, someone's like, by the way,

654
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: Hitler wanted to fuck you? What would you ever tell

655
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: anybody that process that baby, we're pop and boners? Do

656
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: you don't don't tell her that, yeah, because then that

657
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: just makes you just rethink everything about this my fault. No, Stephanie,

658
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,479
Speaker 1: you didn't. Definitely you didn't do anything wrong. I mean

659
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: you've been dead for decades, but you seem fine. You're

660
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: listening somewhere. Yeah, we get a medium. Should be doing

661
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: this podcast with a medium to contact some of these

662
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: people and be like hey, um it's okay, Yeah, it's

663
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: gonna be fine. Yeah. That's actually similar to another podcast

664
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: idea I have, which is using a medium to sexually

665
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: harass dead bastards. I really just want to like see

666
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: how uncomfortable I can make Chairman now. Oh yeah, yeah,

667
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: like really really get in there and like Locke has

668
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: ghost in a room. Yeah, I see where it goes.

669
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: I am on board that. I think we all are,

670
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: So if you want to. So Hitler was in love

671
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: with this girl who knew nothing about him. He became convinced.

672
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: And while they're in like elementary school essentially like early

673
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: high school era, that kind of thing. Like he's a teenager,

674
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: young teenager. So during this I was in marching band,

675
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 1: I had one of these kids. Exactly what this is.

676
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a woman I've met who

677
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,879
Speaker 1: didn't have one of these kids in their life. That's

678
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: one of the anyway. Hitler became convinced that Stephanie was

679
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: sending him secret signals and the messages only he could see,

680
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,399
Speaker 1: and he would yeah, yeah, they were destined to be together.

681
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: He would rant about all this to Kubazek, and Kubazek

682
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 1: claims he was pretty like questioning of all this stuff

683
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: to Hitler, but like only to an extent um. Kubazek

684
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 1: did try to convince Hitler that if he needed to

685
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: at least talk to this girl, if there's going to

686
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: be any hope of her liking him, at the very least,

687
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 1: He suggested that Hitler should learn to dance, because he

688
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: knew that Stephanie liked dancing, which is like solid advice, like, okay,

689
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 1: get get interested in something that's girls interested in have

690
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: a similar interest. Pretty solid advice today. So here's Kubazek quote,

691
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 1: all this is no good, adolph I replied, Stephanie is

692
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: fond of dancing. If you want to conquer her, you

693
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: will have to dance around just as aimlessly an idio

694
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: atically as the others. That was all that was needed

695
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,240
Speaker 1: to set him off. Raving, no, no, never, he screamed

696
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: at me, I shall never dance do you understand Stephanie

697
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: only dances because she is forced to by society, on

698
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: which she unfortunately depends. Once she is my wife, she

699
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: won't have the slightest desire to dance. That is, and

700
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 1: Kuba's ex books are generally pretty pro Hitler book like

701
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 1: not pro the stuff Hitler did is like he's obviously

702
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 1: against the Third Reich, but like he presents a sympathetic

703
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: view of Hitler. And this is how he describes it.

704
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: What a I mean, what a little maniac. It isn't

705
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: the source for the word loser. It's truly insane. Like, no,

706
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 1: I'll never dance, She'll stop dancing. She'll stop dancing too,

707
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: She's not even dancing because she wants to society get away.

708
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: It sounds like a Reddit post. Totally sounds like redditost'.

709
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 1: He would be he would be so addicted to slash

710
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 1: Pole like he would he would never get off of

711
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: that fucking ship. He'd be an h Chan like he'd

712
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: be deep into this ship. Yeah, I'm not gonna learn

713
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 1: to dance. Never. I shall never dance, Alf Hitler. Here's

714
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: your fucking T shirt. Guilty feet and got no rhythm?

715
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: Oh ship? Nice? Oh boy? What are the good songs.

716
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: They always they always get it right. So exactly actually

717
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: about Hitler. It is about all music is about Hitler,

718
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 1: one way or the other. My theory, We'll talk about

719
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: Toto's Africa. It's it's a it's a stretch, but I'll

720
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: get you there. Now. I got a diagram, it's about

721
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: the desert fox. And now, obviously, waiting around and being

722
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: an insane person did not woo Stephanie. Gradually, Hitler started

723
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: to realize that she wasn't going to fall to him.

724
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: According to Kubazak, Hitler reacted like you'd expect a modern

725
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 1: day insult to react with threats of violence. Of course,

726
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 1: Stephanie was at that time in an unfriendly mood. She

727
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: would pass the basically nearby road with her face averted,

728
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: as though Hitler did not exist at all. This bought

729
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: brought him to the verge of despair. I can't stand

730
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: it any longer, he exclaimed. I will make an end

731
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: of it. It was the first, and as far as

732
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,280
Speaker 1: I know, the last time that Adolf contemplated suicide. Seriously,

733
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: it was not uh. He would jump into the river

734
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: from the Danube bridge, he told me, and then it

735
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 1: would be over and done with, but Stephanie would have

736
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: to die with him. He insisted on that. Once more,

737
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,919
Speaker 1: a plan was thought up in all its details. Every

738
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: single phase of the horrifying tragedy was minutely described, including

739
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,760
Speaker 1: the part I would have to play. Even my conduct

740
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: of this as the sole survivor was ordained. The somber

741
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:38,720
Speaker 1: scene was with me even in my dreams. Young Hitler, God,

742
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: just the most emo little ship kill himself and a

743
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: girl he doesn't know him. Had he even talked to

744
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: her at this point, as far as we know that,

745
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: he never said a word to her. Oh my god,

746
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 1: I just you can't hate him more, but you can.

747
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: You find new depths, You find new depths of yet

748
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: like Hitler, here's a new cavity of hate having filled

749
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: for you. I didn't expect this fucking loser. So you

750
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: know that he's a loser. And then it's just like

751
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: from this age too, you're like, oh, God, just go

752
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: to a toastmaster's class or something, new, piece of ship.

753
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: This is part of why I get all frustrated when

754
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: people are like, he was a sexual serial killer and

755
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 1: that's why, No, dude, he was just a lay mass dude.

756
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: He's for sure like Ane. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I am

757
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 1: older old this woman, and she doesn't deserve to live

758
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: if she doesn't like me, even though I've never even

759
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 1: talked to her. Like. There were his parents together, his

760
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 1: entire His dad died when he was, you know, in

761
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: his teens, and his mom died. Not all that, I mean,

762
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 1: his dad died when he was pretty young, and his

763
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: mom died also when he was pretty young, like a

764
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 1: young adult, So I don't think he had His dad

765
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: was pretty authoritarian, but once his dad kicked off, it

766
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: was kind of just his mom and she was sort

767
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: of he was a mom's boy. She was sort of

768
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: a doting mom. Clara, Yeah, Clara Hitler, Clara Hitler, Yeah,

769
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: yeah Hitler. Adolf Hitler's mom was Clara. Okay, okay, gotcha. Yeah.

770
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: So's he's born an incest and then his dad dies

771
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: and then he's raised away. Okay, gotcha? Yeah yeah, so um.

772
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,919
Speaker 1: Outside of his obsession with Stephanie, Kubazex says he doesn't

773
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: know of any individual women in Hitler's life in this period,

774
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: certainly no one he might have fucked. When they became

775
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: young adults and moved to Vienna together, hit the remained

776
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: unlate here's John Toland's coverage of Kubaze's recollection quote. On promenades,

777
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: girls and women would often slightly glance at them. At first,

778
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: Kubazek thought their interest was directed to him, but it

779
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: soon became apparent that the reserved Adolph was the object.

780
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 1: He coldly ignored their silent invitations if the two did

781
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,479
Speaker 1: nothing about sex. They spent hours at night discussing women,

782
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: love and marriage, with Adolph, as usual, dominating the conversation.

783
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: Over and over. He insisted that he must keep the

784
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: flame of life pure. That is, he believed, in accordance

785
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: with his Catholic upbringing, a man and a woman should

786
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: keep themselves chased in body and soul until marriage, and

787
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: just thus be worthy of producing healthy children for the nation.

788
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 1: But the dark side of sex also haunted him, and

789
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: he talked by the hour about depraved sexual customs. He

790
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: railed against prostitution, condemning not only the horrors and their customers,

791
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: but society. His condemnation approached obsession, and one night, after

792
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: attending a performance of Wittikins Spring Awakening, he took Gustal's

793
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: arm and said, we must see the sink of iniquity.

794
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 1: Once they turned down a small dark alley it was

795
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 1: the spittelberg Gassa, and walked past a row of small

796
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,479
Speaker 1: hostels so brightly lit that they could see the girls

797
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,399
Speaker 1: inside and their scanty and slovenly attire. They sat there,

798
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: recalled Kubazek, making up their faces and combing their hair

799
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: and looking at themselves in the mirror, without, however, for

800
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: one moment, losing sight of the men strolling by. Occasionally

801
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: a man would stop in front of a house converse

802
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 1: with a girl, and the light would go out. When

803
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: the two youths reached the end of the alley, Adolf

804
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: maneuvered them in an about face, and they took another

805
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: long look at the appalling site. Back in their room,

806
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: Adolf went into a lengthy tirade on the evils of prostitution,

807
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: with quote a cold objectivity, as though it were a

808
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 1: question of his attitude towards the fight against tubercy losis

809
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 1: or towards cremation. So this is young Hitler, h celibate,

810
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: angry about other people not being celibate, and uh a

811
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: real thought, audit level hatred of sex workers. He is

812
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: gallons of coming his sleep at this point in his life.

813
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,760
Speaker 1: I mean every fucking night. What a what a shitty

814
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 1: little His socks shatter when they're tried. Seriously, I cannot imagine,

815
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: like how many fucking wet dreams is due to this happen,

816
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 1: And they're all about the stuff that he says. Is terrible,

817
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 1: because that's why you rant about this for hours to

818
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: your best friend and you're like concealing an erection as

819
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: he yells about prostitution out there trying to make a

820
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: living of any kind in this world. Again, we all

821
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 1: knew a Hitler. We've all known this kid. No, absolutely,

822
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 1: Oh god, yeah, it's the one that he's like that.

823
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: That's like one of the names that you text the

824
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: other people you went to high school with that you

825
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: just laugh about when you hear their name, like remember

826
00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: that guy, Oh fuck yeah, oh that guy. Yeah. You know.

827
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: So Hitler's mom died like right before this point of

828
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: like a really really horrifying cancer. Uh. And then you

829
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: know he would have been with Kubazek, which is where

830
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: that happened. They lived together for a while, but Kubazek

831
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: was successful, like he was a really good musician and Hitler,

832
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: you know, didn't get in the art school. That's a

833
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: pretty famous story. He eventually ran out of money and

834
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: wound up living in a men's home, which was essentially

835
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: like a homeless shelter for vagrant. According to Ian Kershaw,

836
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: being homeless did not improve Hitler's game. Yeah, I can't

837
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 1: imagine that would quote fair home wouldn't have have approved

838
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 1: his game. It seems like he was kind of helpless

839
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,720
Speaker 1: either way. I don't would have helped him. Yeah. Quote.

840
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: When his circle of acquaintances got round to discussing women

841
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: and doubtless their own former girlfriends and sexual experiences, the

842
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: best Hitler could come up with was a veiled reference

843
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: to Stephanie, who had been his first love, though she

844
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: never knew it because he never told her. The impression

845
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: left with Reinhold Hannisch was that Hitler had very little

846
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: respect for the female sex but very austeer ideas about

847
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: relations between men and women. Hainish recalled Hitler telling him

848
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: of a brief encounter with a milkmaid while he was

849
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: still at school, ending abruptly when she made advances and

850
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: he ran away, knocking over a churn of milk in

851
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 1: his haste. This was probably a lie by Hitler. Hitler

852
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 1: described his own ideal woman as cuddle is a cute, cuddly,

853
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: naive little thing, tender, sweet and stupid. Cool. Cool, that's great. Well,

854
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: I mean it runs in his blood. Does run in

855
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: his blood? Yeah? God, it's gonna be weird how much

856
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 1: it runs in his blood. But first we're back, okay. So.

857
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: Hitler also claimed during this period that women would inherently

858
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: quote rather bow to a strong man than dominate a weakling.

859
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 1: Even for the time young Hitler was seen as a

860
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: bit of a prude. This meant he didn't fit in

861
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: super well. In turn of this in reb where erotic

862
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 1: art was in vogue and people were starting to do

863
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 1: the nineteen o nine version of opening up a little bit,

864
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: what's because he's just like popping boner's all over the

865
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: just popping. Everyone could see his leader housing is just

866
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: like a fucking arrow. Yeah. And it's just like constantly

867
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: just like very sweaty and pink with a giant, angry

868
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 1: direct terrible artists screaming at everybody and talking about how

869
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: it's bad to come get Hitler like god nerd um. So.

870
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: One of the things that was happening in Vien at

871
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: this time the turn of the century is that rules

872
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: about women's modesty had started to change and women were

873
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: allowed to. I mean, we're not talking like woke by

874
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 1: our standards, but things are improving, you know, things are improving,

875
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 1: and some women are pushing the envelope, both professionally and

876
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: just how they present themselves to the world. Young Hitler

877
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: did not like that, of course. Here's exert from Kershaw's

878
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: book again quote where decency demanded that women were scarcely

879
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: allowed to even show an ankle. Hitler's embarrassment and the

880
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: rapidity with which he fled with his friend when a

881
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: prospective landlady, during a search for a room for Kubazek,

882
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 1: let her silk dressing gown fall open to reveal that

883
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 1: she was wearing nothing but a pair of knickers. But

884
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 1: his pritishness went far beyond this. It amounted, according to

885
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 1: kuba's E's account, to a deep disgust and repugnance at

886
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: sexual activity. Hitler avoided contact with women, meeting with cold

887
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 1: indifference during visits to the opera, alleged attempts by young women,

888
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: probably seeing him as something of an oddity, to flirt

889
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 1: with or tease him. He was repelled by homosexuality. He

890
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: refrained from masturbation. Prostitution horrified but fascinated him. He associated

891
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: it with venereal disease, which petrified him. So it is

892
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: again hard to say how much of kuba's 's account

893
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: is true. If Hitler was originally super anti gay, for example,

894
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: he definitely got over that ship by the time he

895
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: was out of the army. Ernst Rome, the head of

896
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: the brown Shirts, was a flamboyantly gay man who was

897
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 1: flagrant about his love life. Hitler did eventually kill Rome,

898
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 1: but only after he was in power, and some accounts

899
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: say he resisted doing so for a very long time

900
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: and expressed angst over the dectitian. Basically, Rome wanted to

901
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: replace the German Army with the brown Shirts, and that's

902
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: why Hitler had to get rid of him. And there

903
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,479
Speaker 1: was definitely like he was willing to kill him because

904
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: he was gay and he was seen as like a liability.

905
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 1: But Hitler wasn't inherently against the idea of working with

906
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 1: like he see. It seems like he moderated on that

907
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: as during his time in the army, at least from

908
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,720
Speaker 1: like a one point of view or another. There's debate

909
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: about how much. But one thing that didn't change from

910
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: Kubaze's memory of him was Hitler's obsession with innereal disease.

911
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: The subject came up frequently in mind camp and in

912
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: Hitler's early speeches. He generally like would compare the Jewish

913
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: refugees immigrating to the country is like a form of

914
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: vinereal disease. And there was a lot of anti Semitic

915
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: claims that Jewish prostitutes were spreading typhus. And there's actually

916
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: a rumor that Hitler himself got syphilis from a prostitute sometime,

917
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,280
Speaker 1: and like when he was a young adult. Semon Visenthal,

918
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: the fame Nazi hunter, went to his grave believing this,

919
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: even though there's no good evidence about it. There's a

920
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 1: lot of weird questions as to why people is someone

921
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: like Visenthal, who was a Holocaust however himself would be

922
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: so much like into one to believe this. Yeah, you

923
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: and like it's also there's like some weird A lot

924
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: of the attempts to explain Hitler kind of come across

925
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: as blaming a single Jewish person for his hatred of

926
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: Jewish people, which is really problematic. Yeah. Kubazek, for his part,

927
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: always claimed that Hitler was to the best of his knowledge,

928
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: a normal dude sexually uh, not homosexual, not into anything weird,

929
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 1: just like kind of a sexually frustrated young man. Um

930
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: Kubazek was so emphatic about that because by the nineteen fifties,

931
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: when he was working on his book, there were numerous

932
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: rumors that Hitler had been gay. This conspiracy theory is

933
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,240
Speaker 1: best embodied by the book The Pink Swastika from nineteen

934
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: That book was a major source for a reason Denis

935
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 1: dis Is a documentary where Denis claims that democrats of

936
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 1: the modern Nazis and that gay people are Nazis and

937
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: Hitler was gay as a regular headline and far right publications.

938
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: I found one on Breitbart from two thousands sixteen that

939
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 1: just said new evidence from his doctor there shows Hitler

940
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,399
Speaker 1: was gay. Obviously it's not new evidence, it's just it's

941
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 1: it's the old OSS reports that suggested Hitler was homosexual. Uh.

942
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: In the OSS document, Dr Langer wrote, quote, his sex

943
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: life is as dualist political outlook. He's both a homosexual

944
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: and heterosexual, both socialist and fervent nationalists, both man and woman. Again,

945
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: that's just like psycho and like bullshit. There's there's no

946
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: evidence that he was homosexual, he was okay with working

947
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: with gay men, but like there's no evidence beyond that,

948
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, one of the things that's interesting

949
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: to me is when you read a lot of like

950
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:34,760
Speaker 1: the old nineteen thirties and late twenties news articles criticizing Hitler.

951
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: A lot of these like nineteen twenties German journalists, some

952
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: of whom are conservative, when they're talking about like homosexuality

953
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 1: with the Nazi Party, go out of their way to

954
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: not condemn homosexuality, to just be like that, we're condemning

955
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 1: the Nazis because their attitudes on homosexuality are so negative,

956
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: but they have all these gay members, which is more

957
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: nuanced than I expected out of like nineteen twenties journalists

958
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: in Germany. Interesting, Well, it does like a out of

959
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,760
Speaker 1: sense though, because it's like, i mean, coming after World

960
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,320
Speaker 1: War One, you're in the trenches with men, and you

961
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: need some kind of comfort to probably a lot of

962
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 1: dudes fucking in World War One, share Yeah, yeah, just

963
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: to feel like you're a person and not just part

964
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: of a meat grinder. Yeah, you know. So it's like

965
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: I'm sure that definitely, you know, part of why attitudes

966
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: started to open up right until the Nazis claimed them

967
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 1: shut again. Yeah, exactly. Now, Just so we covered the

968
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: basics of Hitler's life here. Hitler served in World War One. Obviously,

969
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: he was at the front basically the entire war. There

970
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: are rumors, as we covered in our Children of Dictator's episode,

971
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 1: that he fathered a son with a frenchwoman during this time.

972
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: This is very much doubted by historians, the kind of

973
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: thing you can't hundred percent debunk um. But for what

974
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: it's worth, the son of the guy who thought he

975
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: was Hitler's son says that Hitler was a gentle lover

976
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 1: to his grandma. I don't know what that's based on.

977
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: Seems like a reach. It seems like a weird flex too. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

978
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 1: a gentle of here's the thing, I don't even know.

979
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: I felt he would be just like a petrified guy

980
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: that would like come really quickly, and I'm going to

981
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: guess that is more accurate. Yeah, that feels way like, yeah,

982
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,760
Speaker 1: he's probably all fucking talk and then he's just like okay,

983
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:15,839
Speaker 1: little sorry, yeah, oh no, because I'm sorry. That's that's

984
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: the Hitler. Now. When Hitler got back from World War One,

985
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 1: he was sent by his military superiors to infiltrate a

986
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: meeting of the National Socialist Political Party. And yeah, you

987
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,919
Speaker 1: know the rest more or less. Uh. He started giving

988
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:33,439
Speaker 1: speeches there, became a figure in the National Socialist Party,

989
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: consolidated power and plotted his you know, not quite meteoric,

990
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 1: but eventually total rise to power. Now, we don't have

991
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 1: a whole lot on Hitler's sexuality during the early nineteen

992
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 1: twenties or his relationships. Haunch Stengel is one of the

993
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: main sources for the claims that Hitler might have been gay. Uh,

994
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:53,359
Speaker 1: and he said stuff like this quote. Obvious prostitutes barely

995
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 1: admitted to the kaiser Hof Hotel were fervently admired by him,

996
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: provided that they appeared in couples or with a man.

997
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: A solitary woman is usually ignored by him, unless he

998
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: is in a large crowd and can send in someone

999
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: to find out her identity. He always wishes to be

1000
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: a spectator, do you know, he once said to doctor

1001
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: Sedgwick in nineteen the audience at the circus is just

1002
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 1: like a woman. Someone who does not understand that intrinsically

1003
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 1: feminine character of the mass will never be an effective speaker.

1004
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:22,280
Speaker 1: Ask yourself. What does a woman expect from a man? Clearness, decision, power, action.

1005
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 1: Like a woman, the masses fluctuate between extremes. What we

1006
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 1: want is to get the masses to act. This can

1007
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: obviously not be done with an appeal to their selfishness,

1008
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: nor to their cowardice, but by an appeal to their idealism,

1009
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 1: their courage, and their spirit of sacrifice. Who has more

1010
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: the spirit of sacrifice than a woman? If she has

1011
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,479
Speaker 1: talked to properly, she will be proud to sacrifice, because

1012
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,800
Speaker 1: no woman will ever feel that her life sacrifices have

1013
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:46,720
Speaker 1: received their dual fulfillment. Let's Hitler analyzing the German people

1014
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: and interesting, Yeah, you know just what a first date?

1015
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: But a first date? Uh. Han Stengel claims to have

1016
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 1: asked him once, why don't you marry? And he says,

1017
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 1: Hitler answered, quote marriage is not for me and never

1018
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: will be. My only bride is my motherland. Then, seemingly

1019
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: with no sequence of ideas, he added, there are two

1020
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: ways in which a man's character may be judged, by

1021
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: the woman he marries and by the way he dies.

1022
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 1: When Hanstengel once playfully said, if not a bride, you

1023
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: want to have a mistress. Hitler replied, politics is a

1024
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: woman he who loves her unhappily bites off his head.

1025
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: So this is one of the versions of Hitler. You

1026
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 1: get that he's just too busy being the embodiment of

1027
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 1: Germany to to flirt with ladies. What a I think

1028
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 1: in this day he continues that line the rest of

1029
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: his life. I think in this stage it's not true,

1030
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: but he's not actually dating around that much, and in

1031
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 1: this stage he's still too awkward. He starts to have

1032
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: success with women when he gets popular, Yeah, when he

1033
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 1: starts getting some power, because then it's not about him,

1034
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: it's about the mythic thing that he's created. And in

1035
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: that case, he keeps saying that out loud and hiding

1036
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 1: his relationships with women. But he's also fucking some people.

1037
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: So anyway, that's the that's the way this goes. Uh.

1038
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 1: So it's hard basically possible to say when Hitler lost

1039
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,959
Speaker 1: his virginity. We do have one spectacular example of Hitler

1040
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 1: striking out with a lady. It happened in right before

1041
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: Hitler's famous beer hall push, when they were at Birkdas Garden.

1042
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 1: Now the story is related by Hanstengel, who had come

1043
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 1: to visit Hitler and Birkenis Garden on invitation, but like Hitler,

1044
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: didn't like own a house there or anything. At that

1045
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: point that we're all staying in a hotel. The manager

1046
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: of the hotel was a guy named Herr Buckner, who

1047
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: was a German flying ace in World War One and

1048
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: who had, according to han Stengel, a quote striking Lee

1049
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,439
Speaker 1: Bucksom six foot tall blonde wife, which made her taller

1050
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 1: than Hitler. This rather vulgar, sinsuwish, blue eyed woman had

1051
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: manifestly succeeded in completely inflaming Hitler to a degree that

1052
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 1: made him seem entirely beyond himself. His breath was short,

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00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: his cheeks feverish, his eyes filled with exaltation. In a

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00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 1: swashbuckling manner, Hitler was strutting up and down the large

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00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: veranda and garden, swinging his whip. He would stop now

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00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 1: and again to talk to fraud Buckner, whip in hand,

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00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 1: punctuating his sentences with the whip in a schoolboy fashion.

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00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 1: He was obviously showing off talking at Frau Buckner. Here

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Speaker 1: in the numerous gallery of admiring females, all party adherents.

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Speaker 1: He made, however, no impression on freud Buckner. On and

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00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 1: on he went through the whole afternoon, acting the Desperado,

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Speaker 1: the wild man, the man of destiny. The whole performance

1063
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 1: seemed hopefully pubescent and empty. Oh God, hits just swinging

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00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 1: a whip trying to flirt with a girl. Check out

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00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 1: my will check this ship out? Good I am with

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Speaker 1: his whip. Are you impressed? You think I look good? Oh?

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Speaker 1: That's like the version of just like watching somebody play

1068
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: video games. Check it out? No, check out, good I am.

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00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 1: Let me get this head shot. So many potions. Think

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00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 1: of how many potions I have. It's not real now.

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00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 1: Hitler also had a gigantic crush on his friend Puts,

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Speaker 1: his wife, Helena hop Stengele. Uh Ian Kershaw writes quote.

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Speaker 1: On one occasion, he took advantage of Puts hop Stengle's

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Speaker 1: brief absence from the room to fall on his knees

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Speaker 1: in front of Helena hop Stengle, describing himself as her

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Speaker 1: slave and bemoaning the faith that had led him to

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00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: her too late. When Helena told him of the incident,

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00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 1: Puts the it down to Hitler's need to play the

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Speaker 1: role of the languishing troubadour from time to time. This

1080
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: guy just like needed to be like that. He's a cuck,

1081
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: is what he actually is. That I think is what

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00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: he would have preferred. He needed a good sex therapist.

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Speaker 1: You say, no, dude, just do this, Yeah exactly, just

1084
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: like asked, like, watch some of your friend's bone. That's

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00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 1: what I think you'd That's why I think you'd be

1086
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 1: happiest with Hitler. Maybe give up politics and just watch

1087
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 1: your friend's bone. Yeah, that guy be that guy that

1088
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 1: so compared to Hitler, that's a great guy to be. Yeah. Well,

1089
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: and especially like that is the child of a dad uncle. Yeah,

1090
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: I mean, like that's what your kid becomes. Yeah. So

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00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,760
Speaker 1: when Putsy later expressed the worry that Hitler was essentially

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00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 1: trying to steal his wife's affections, Helena told Putsy not

1093
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: to worry. Hitler was quote an absolute neuter. So that

1094
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 1: was Helena's attitude towards him. Now, Hitler would later prove

1095
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: them and the oss wrong. Actually, in the early autumn

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00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: of nine, when the rising fascist political star met a

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00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 1: girl named Mimi writer. We will talk about her. Hitler's

1098
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: courtship process and his preferences and fucking in part two

1099
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 1: of this podcast, but right now it's the end of

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00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 1: the episode till Thursday when we talk about the rest

1101
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 1: of this stuff. Yeah, that was just just getting us

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00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:19,839
Speaker 1: to this, to Mimi. That's just getting us to Mimi,

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00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 1: us to Memi. Maybe the first girl. He it's really well, no,

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00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:25,439
Speaker 1: not the first girl he fox, but like the first girl,

1105
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 1: we have a lot of detail on how he courted her.

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00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: I see, so we're gonna be talking a lot about

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00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 1: how Hitler flirted with girls. Cool was finally moving on

1108
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:36,280
Speaker 1: from his sucking hand, his fucking hand, his leader. Hosn't

1109
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:41,879
Speaker 1: exactly He's such a he's such a loser. He's such

1110
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 1: a loser, benign loser. There needs to be like what

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00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:50,320
Speaker 1: is the people need to know? How lame we we

1112
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 1: we always do like it's either like Hitler at the

1113
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:54,359
Speaker 1: end of the war where he's like a sick old man,

1114
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: or like Hitler is this terrifying warlord and we miss

1115
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 1: out on in Cell Hitler, you definitely nail the Elliott

1116
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 1: Roger perspective for sure, Like and he it's so interesting too,

1117
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,439
Speaker 1: because it seems like he skipped right to in Cell,

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00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: like I didn't have this like game phase where he

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00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: was even trying to make it work. He just immediately

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00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: knew that he needed power of any kind to get

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00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 1: anybody because he was such a zero because he yeah,

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00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 1: there was otherwise no chance. Yeah. Um, the entitlement all

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00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 1: of Yeah, it's hate it. It's gross, you know. I

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00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 1: try not to like psychoanalyze how much of this was,

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00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 1: like did he get into power because he was Like

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00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: I think it was probably ancillary and everyone does things

1127
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 1: for a lot of reasons. But like you can't look

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00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 1: at his back story and not see that like frustrated

1129
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 1: kid who just like, yeah, doesn't understand why some people

1130
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 1: are good at that, and he's not like he's pissed

1131
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 1: because of it. Well, and it's just like the entitlement

1132
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 1: as opposed to like growing yourself and making yourself a

1133
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 1: more rounded exactly. I mean that that that's exactly. It's

1134
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 1: all these kind of guys. It's just like just get

1135
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 1: a hobby that isn't just like trying to fund somebody.

1136
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 1: It's like not just be if be a well rounded

1137
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 1: person in your own regard, and then people will be

1138
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 1: interesting for people to be interested in you. Yeah, because

1139
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 1: his whole thing, and like in Kuba's X book, it

1140
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: becomes like the way he portrays Hitler's like he loves

1141
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: talking about his opinions on everything, of course, but he's

1142
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 1: not good at much. He just loves to talk about

1143
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 1: what he thinks about things. Yeah, of course, and like

1144
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: learn to dance, man, that kind of self important with

1145
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: nothing to back it up. It's just we don't care.

1146
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 1: Learn to dance, yeah, like's not that serious. Just like,

1147
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: learn to dance a little bit. Go do something besides

1148
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: yell at people. Hitler, Yeah, get a fucking dog. Yeah,

1149
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: get a fucking dog. Well he did do that, and

1150
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: we will talk about how dogs play into his flirtation

1151
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: style soon. Of course they do. It's going to be gross. Brandy,

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Speaker 1: every week. Um. And then if you were in Los Angeles,

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Speaker 1: I have a monthly show every second Saturday called Picture

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Speaker 1: they live animate your jokes during your set. It's very,

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Speaker 1: very fun. We just had Pendleton a ward of the

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Speaker 1: And second Saturday every month it's my favorite thing to do.

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Speaker 1: Um and then I tore like half the year, so

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Speaker 1: Brandy posey dot com and uh yeah that sounds so

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Speaker 1: much more gratifying than just talking about Hitler sex life.

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Speaker 1: It is. But if you're into Hitler sex life, you

1173
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Speaker 1: should follow my Twitter. I'm at I right, okay, you

1174
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Speaker 1: fight Hitler even though he's dead and you're not actually

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Speaker 1: fighting him. Just buy a shirt and feel better. Uh, capitalism. Uh,

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