Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black
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Speaker 1: back to All the Smoke out here in beautiful New York. Jack.
Speaker 1: What's happening with you, man, I'm, you know, feeling good
Speaker 1: on the high, looking good. I'm doing a lot. I'm
Speaker 1: feeling good. She was nice. Thank you, she was nice.
Speaker 1: Appreciate it, man, I don't lose nice. She's nice across
Speaker 1: the board, the store up in ye in New York
Speaker 1: City through today. I'm coming to sooner. Got all your
Speaker 1: four teens, put them on the side for me, all
Speaker 1: right now, we got the one and only call a
Speaker 1: Gina and introduce you man. My brother and my family
Speaker 1: and somebody who showed me love from the first show
Speaker 1: I was in the NBA. Made me feel like family,
Speaker 1: The one and only Joey Crack appreciate. I appreciate y'all.
Speaker 1: And so to elaborate because people think I just talk ship.
Speaker 1: But your first year in the NBA, you had a
Speaker 1: ten dade contract and then they kept extending it like
Speaker 1: five six times. But you was with us. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And we've you know, I've been so
Speaker 1: proud of him, you know, moving on to San Antonio
Speaker 1: and winning chips and getting the bag. But you know,
Speaker 1: we know the birth of Stevie Jack. So any first
Speaker 1: of all, no disrestracts you. It's the realist NBA player.
Speaker 1: That's my Stevie Jack. That's how you know family. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know he's the realist NBA player. Ever when it
Speaker 1: comes to that former street ship, right, and so because
Speaker 1: you Muslim, you, I'm den alt see you all in
Speaker 1: the temples. Now I see you in there, so we
Speaker 1: gotta say formally, right, and so he comes in the game.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. We loved him to death
Speaker 1: and we just became families since since day one. And
Speaker 1: shout out to Steph Maulbury for introducing us. No, I'm
Speaker 1: excited cause I've been hearing stories. Something can't be told,
Speaker 1: something can be So we're gonna get to it. But
Speaker 1: before we get going, Jack, I forgot bro I got
Speaker 1: something for you. Oh I've been in my bag when
Speaker 1: I went to the bathround forgot about it for you.
Speaker 1: This has awakening spray. But this is really called pretty boy. Miss.
Speaker 1: This wakes you up. I'm not been fainting for this.
Speaker 1: You know you never seeing Jerry Carol Hollywood shop when
Speaker 1: he lost his activating That's how I felt. Let me
Speaker 1: get another and give me a couple of sprints one time,
Speaker 1: one time for you know what it is though, this
Speaker 1: is Awakening Spray. I need to know where the guys
Speaker 1: that the signs, the checks for this is my company.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, man at the store near you finding that target,
Speaker 1: you can find it that target and Hugh for every
Speaker 1: Man dot com. And we got men we got when
Speaker 1: I go. When I put in my hair, when I
Speaker 1: washed my hair with what I shaved with, you see
Speaker 1: what Jack does. It has awakeness prey, but I call
Speaker 1: it pretty boy missed. He has got his girl said
Speaker 1: he's gotten a handsomer since he started using that ship,
Speaker 1: so he did. I could grow my hair back with
Speaker 1: with you. I don't know if you're not making that,
Speaker 1: you're not making that. I wouldn't want to lie to you, Joe,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't you anyway, Let's let's get to it. Man,
Speaker 1: New York. When you think New York, you know you're
Speaker 1: one of the first name to come up. Tell me
Speaker 1: about your upbringing. Wow, I grew up in the Bronx
Speaker 1: hip hop was created Birst and you know some people
Speaker 1: some places and that some people some the place race.
Speaker 1: So there's uptown Bronx, there's the West, there's a I
Speaker 1: was just born in the South Bronx where hip hop
Speaker 1: was created. So Mellie Mel I would watch grand Master Flat.
Speaker 1: My brother was a great boy for grand Master Flash
Speaker 1: ms the Nest like, so all these people were around
Speaker 1: my neighborhood for real love Bucks, Star Ski and I
Speaker 1: would watch and play baby kids seven years old, eight
Speaker 1: years old. First Latino rapper ever was in a Fantastic five.
Speaker 1: His name was Ruby D. So I used to watch
Speaker 1: him and his brothers. They used to play softball. They
Speaker 1: was nice. They diving on concrete Goose the real port
Speaker 1: of regions that dive on concrete. And so you know,
Speaker 1: I was that blessed to grow up love and hip
Speaker 1: hop just as a fan, and just to watch the
Speaker 1: evolution of hip hop over the years is mind blowing.
Speaker 1: Obviously music came later in your life, but you know,
Speaker 1: you you hit the streets of the fourteen Road up
Speaker 1: to No Good. Talk to us about that and how
Speaker 1: that transitioned you there, what you learned on that, Well,
Speaker 1: I was in the streets since I was born. So
Speaker 1: I grew up in the rustiest projects in the Bronx,
Speaker 1: and ship was gladiated school from kindergarten up right. And
Speaker 1: they really ain't had no you know. I had hair
Speaker 1: like the beetles and green eyes, not real talk. And
Speaker 1: I grew up in the nine Black neighborhood, so I
Speaker 1: had to go hard since birth, like you know, and
Speaker 1: and and so it's always been gladiated school as soon
Speaker 1: as I had fourteen. I can't discredit my mother, my father,
Speaker 1: you know, they were all hard working, you know, but
Speaker 1: I wanted more. And you know, I wanted to fly kicks.
Speaker 1: I wanted to fly outfits. I wanted the chicks. I
Speaker 1: wanted all a lot. So you know, in fourteen years old,
Speaker 1: I left my house and the very next day I
Speaker 1: started hustling, you know what I'm saying. But I just
Speaker 1: knew I didn't want to be broke. I knew that
Speaker 1: one million percent. I said, look, I don't want to
Speaker 1: still fit E's line, but he got the best line.
Speaker 1: It was like get rich or died trying. And and
Speaker 1: I just knew for some reason in my DNA that
Speaker 1: I wasn't born to be broke. I don't even know
Speaker 1: how to explained it to you. Like I remember I
Speaker 1: used to stay out my window twelve years old, like, yo,
Speaker 1: I'm tired of this broke ship like this, this ain't
Speaker 1: for me. And you know, so I hit the streets
Speaker 1: ninety two, you hit music. What obviously you told us
Speaker 1: what you're around growing up, But what was a pivotal
Speaker 1: moment from that street life to like, okay, I'm give
Speaker 1: this a shot. Well, you know, I was hustling big
Speaker 1: at this time, like big, right, no, like big like
Speaker 1: not like these guys like the real ship, right, And
Speaker 1: uh then they made up a lower corda Rico logan
Speaker 1: and they started snatching sixty guys, fifty guys, the whole
Speaker 1: crewise like have you. It was like, Yo, the Claremont
Speaker 1: Boys they're going down. The Treatmont boy is going down.
Speaker 1: The Cypher's boys just went down, honey. Seventy eight of
Speaker 1: them got locked up that this this and all this
Speaker 1: ship is happening. And I'm like, holy sh it, we're
Speaker 1: going to jail forever or you know. And of course
Speaker 1: you got the die factor. And then Diamond D. I
Speaker 1: grew up with Diamond. I used to write graffiti with
Speaker 1: him digging in the Crazy Crew shoutout dr TC. He
Speaker 1: was like, yo, Joe, man, let me pay for the
Speaker 1: studio or somebody. I know you like to wrap put
Speaker 1: your life on the music. So we went to the studio.
Speaker 1: We came up with the demo which became Flow Joe.
Speaker 1: I went to Apollo Theater Amateur nited Apolo. So to
Speaker 1: tell you the truth that that when I did Amateur Nite,
Speaker 1: it must have been the drug Dealer's ball and my
Speaker 1: Lione Rich and why, like any serious hustling street they
Speaker 1: was in the village. Joe, He's gonna rap. And so
Speaker 1: I came in first a couple of weeks and that's
Speaker 1: where I met Red Alert and uh he played my demo,
Speaker 1: which later on turned into Flow Joe. That turned into
Speaker 1: the number one song in the country. And you know,
Speaker 1: we we never looked back the day I quit the
Speaker 1: drug game. I never I didn't care. I never got
Speaker 1: involved with anything like like the Cinderella movie. Before. I
Speaker 1: was always rapping. Since I was like ten twelve years old,
Speaker 1: I was like spitting that diamond. Knew I spit, but
Speaker 1: he was like, yo, bro, you're gonna die here. You're
Speaker 1: gonna go to jail forever. Here here, just tell your story,
Speaker 1: you know, and shout out to a lady man from
Speaker 1: my building. Her name was Miss Burger, Jeffrey Burger's mom.
Speaker 1: So she would tell me this all the time. She'd
Speaker 1: be like, Yo, God got bigger things for you, Joey,
Speaker 1: you ain't supposed to be out here. Whild I'm like this,
Speaker 1: like please like And you know, it was the music.
Speaker 1: It was hip hop, So what was the vibe and
Speaker 1: the energy like in New York at the time, you
Speaker 1: transitioning from hustling fresh into the music game, you hit
Speaker 1: and go what's the energy like? So for me, you know,
Speaker 1: I grew up with with a life of violence. So
Speaker 1: I woke up every day for the smoke, right every
Speaker 1: day when I left out that not all of it.
Speaker 1: I was doing the smoke like I was applying the smoke.
Speaker 1: I don't care about life pretty much. And so when
Speaker 1: I when I became a rapper, there was two things.
Speaker 1: There was guys that were scared to death for me
Speaker 1: almost let's just say shig knightish guys was like yo,
Speaker 1: this guy like Steve Riftin, you know, when I went
Speaker 1: to bring big pun to him, he said he had
Speaker 1: nine phone calls from the industry telling them, yo, this
Speaker 1: guy's will killer extortionism, Like yo, don't meet with him,
Speaker 1: don't put him in the game, because you got a
Speaker 1: lot of guys acting like the gangster. And then they
Speaker 1: didn't want this guy to get up there if he
Speaker 1: abuses the power the wrong way. Actually it was the opposite.
Speaker 1: When I got in the game, I was trying so
Speaker 1: much to show people I'm a nice guy. I tuned
Speaker 1: it all the way down where I was like, yo,
Speaker 1: yo yo, because when people are scared of you, they
Speaker 1: don't want to break brad with you. They don't want
Speaker 1: to create a monster, nothing like that. So I actually
Speaker 1: toned it down when I got in the rap game.
Speaker 1: Going back to what you said about the lady, she
Speaker 1: must have saw something that you're seeing yourself at the
Speaker 1: time to tell you that she knew. There was a
Speaker 1: lot of people who saw stuff in me that I
Speaker 1: ain't see. When that rest in peace, Chris Lidy. When
Speaker 1: he came he came to my spot, he's I signed
Speaker 1: in the middle of the street. That's why when you
Speaker 1: know people who really want to make it, whether I
Speaker 1: mean it's not educated to sign a record contract, a
Speaker 1: recording contract with no attorney. But when you want to
Speaker 1: pout the streets that bad, you will fucking sign. So
Speaker 1: when Chris Lidy came and said, Yo, I think you
Speaker 1: could be a rapper. You you could be, I was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: signed now, and I was just showing everybody in my contract, Yo,
Speaker 1: I signed, I'm gonna fish you. You know I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be a rapper. And you know I was that nobody
Speaker 1: believed it. They were like, yo, Joey, I remember everybody,
Speaker 1: God bless him all who did twenty years and better
Speaker 1: laughing at me when I told him I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: a rapper, and these are my friends, and I'll be like, yo,
Speaker 1: I'm a be wrapping they I'm like, oh man, you're
Speaker 1: playing yourself right. So your celebrity in your neighborhood. But
Speaker 1: what's it like when you start getting that world eyes
Speaker 1: on you and it's not just Joey from here? Now
Speaker 1: is the world starts? My first whole album was about
Speaker 1: the four Corners. We had never left nowhere. There was
Speaker 1: no social media. You know, we're talking about the time
Speaker 1: there was no social media. This is what what? What years?
Speaker 1: There's a broke kid right now in New Orleans or
Speaker 1: the Bronx that could actually see us in mansions and
Speaker 1: be like, oh ship, I could do that right. We
Speaker 1: didn't never see that, so it was like all we
Speaker 1: knew was the four Corners and let's wrap out block Yo.
Speaker 1: I'm Fat Joe from the Projects. I don't give a
Speaker 1: funk whatever this this that it wasn't too. I went
Speaker 1: on my first promo to or to l a and
Speaker 1: and I just happened to be in the crowd for
Speaker 1: City Hall shout out to all stretch DJs stressed for
Speaker 1: stretching Barbitro. He invited me to the City of horse Show.
Speaker 1: He was a guest DJ, and we're sitting in the
Speaker 1: crowd our CEOs like god, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And we're sitting in the crowd and out of nowhere,
Speaker 1: he's like, Yo, I got my main man in the house.
Speaker 1: He got the hottest song out, Fat Joe. I was like, what, Yo,
Speaker 1: come down Joe. And then I performed on our cdeo.
Speaker 1: I quit the whole promo tour and came back that night.
Speaker 1: I came back to New York like couldn't like I
Speaker 1: had made it, Like everybody saw me the whole country.
Speaker 1: That was my first big moment of the whole country
Speaker 1: acknowledging me. You know what I'm saying, Who was your influencers?
Speaker 1: That's hip hop? The biggest My biggest influences was Heavy
Speaker 1: D for being confident, for being a big, big man,
Speaker 1: fly dressing, fly the ladies man h l O who
Speaker 1: j ll coo j Uh still is uh someone that
Speaker 1: I look up to in the spy of the beat.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you talk about a person who's been
Speaker 1: excellent role model for hip hop music, it's LLL cool J.
Speaker 1: I don't feel like no man, he's one of the
Speaker 1: greatest way he's a goat. And so the fact that
Speaker 1: he got his wife, he got his family, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I've always looked up to him. You know,
Speaker 1: I've been my wife twenty six years, so we we
Speaker 1: we look up to them. And of course Caress wanted
Speaker 1: being from the Bronx. Nobody rocks the show like Carrerass.
Speaker 1: Nobody's more lyrical than Caress. So that's really the gunboat
Speaker 1: that created Fat Joe. Those street players right there, When
Speaker 1: did you run across uh biggie? And what kind of
Speaker 1: relationship did y'all have? I have flowed you out, and
Speaker 1: uh Big goes up to this place called the lyricis Lounge,
Speaker 1: puffies with him. It's the same puff Daddy Puff. Daddy
Speaker 1: wasn't rich, but he was the same puff that he
Speaker 1: he kept that energy, that same energy. Right, So Biggie's
Speaker 1: up there in the lyricist lounge. I'm already flow, Joe's
Speaker 1: already out. I'm walking around my vinyl trying to give
Speaker 1: it to the DJ so they could play it. Back
Speaker 1: in the days, you couldn't just press play and everybody
Speaker 1: got it. You had that. It was word of mouth,
Speaker 1: hand delivered. And so I'm sitting in the crowding. Biggie's
Speaker 1: just battling like ten different killing them all. And he
Speaker 1: had a backpack on the puff kept going, I'm telling y'all,
Speaker 1: y'all can't funk with my man. Y'all can't. And that
Speaker 1: that's how I met Big. So Big was like, oh
Speaker 1: ship you Flow Joe, you fat Joe. I was like,
Speaker 1: what's up? Man? I actually booked them because on this
Speaker 1: my side hustle besides wrapping, because money making money rapping
Speaker 1: was like seasonal when you're not really big. So it's
Speaker 1: like you put a record out, you make a lot
Speaker 1: of money than them other months. You slow. So I
Speaker 1: used to throw parties, like promote parties. So I had
Speaker 1: booked Biggie for his first show ever. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: at the Fever and and and you know what, nine
Speaker 1: two nine three nine three, Biggi's first show ever, crazy
Speaker 1: and the FLI says, party and bullshit and all that,
Speaker 1: and then we became tight ever since then I got
Speaker 1: I knew he was gonna be big, and that's where
Speaker 1: he was still underground. I just was like, Yo, this
Speaker 1: guy he's special. And then me and him was tight.
Speaker 1: I'll tell y'all some ship. Me and him was tight.
Speaker 1: And I remember when he met jay Z because he stopped.
Speaker 1: Me and Big used to talk every day. He said, Yo, man,
Speaker 1: it's this guy. He's nice. I've been hanging out with him.
Speaker 1: His name is jay Z. That boy nice. I ain't
Speaker 1: gonna lie to you. That's on everything. I never said
Speaker 1: that in the interview. Um, he definitely. I remember when
Speaker 1: he met jay Z and he was hanging out with
Speaker 1: him every day. He was like, oh, I'm with jay yo.
Speaker 1: This is that. So he saw what I saw on him.
Speaker 1: He saw that ship jay Z. Immediately, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, so, how did you guys relationship continue to
Speaker 1: grow through it? I mean, obviously you're established now. He's
Speaker 1: a great, great story, no Biggie. To this day, there's
Speaker 1: nobody's career that has went more viral than Biggie Smalls.
Speaker 1: Biggie Smalls went from wearing an army jacket to the
Speaker 1: next day we'recking the Tuck Salmon tuxedo with gators and
Speaker 1: the fur on and going number one, two and three.
Speaker 1: We never seen no ship like this, Like overnight, he
Speaker 1: went from Biggie Smalls to the notorious virg number two,
Speaker 1: two and three Brooklyn. We did it like that'sh It
Speaker 1: happened like him, right, And so we know because we're
Speaker 1: in in the situation of power that a lot of
Speaker 1: times people's opinions, we at least perceived that people's opinions
Speaker 1: change on us because we got success or status. So
Speaker 1: I'm even guilty of that. When Biggie was like number one,
Speaker 1: two or three, I remember walking up to a Vibe
Speaker 1: party and um, I just seemed like two hundred people
Speaker 1: around the one truck and I ain't know as that
Speaker 1: and when I seen it, it was Biggie standing on
Speaker 1: the truck and me myself, jose Car the Gena myself.
Speaker 1: Looking at that, I was like, I'm not gonna go
Speaker 1: over there. He probably changed. And Biggie sees me right
Speaker 1: at the movie yo, yo, I go over there. So
Speaker 1: then he grabs a little kim. She was with him.
Speaker 1: He was like, what the funk we've been playing all day?
Speaker 1: What we've been playing all week? My new album had dropped,
Speaker 1: my second album, jealous on. She was like, your album,
Speaker 1: it's like you got that avoid You're killing him now,
Speaker 1: you know. I was like, damn, he ain't never changed
Speaker 1: all that. Yeah, he ain't changed. That's one for you
Speaker 1: know that York, New York. That's the one to tell
Speaker 1: the story about when I got locked up and said,
Speaker 1: you set the kite for him? Be clear that story
Speaker 1: Muta told. The story was pox right here, man, and
Speaker 1: who was Napoleon's Napoleon? I had never said that story
Speaker 1: in twenty something years. Fat Joe never leaked that story.
Speaker 1: It's a true story. And so what happened was East coast,
Speaker 1: West coast. Big he's my man. And to be honest
Speaker 1: with you, you know, they were really get I want
Speaker 1: to use my words correctly. Let's just say, the West
Speaker 1: Coast was like leaning on New York like like like
Speaker 1: really leaning on New York like hard. The pressure was
Speaker 1: legendary in the New York rappers, you know, they just
Speaker 1: wasn't really coming back at them like that, and they
Speaker 1: were just violating, like doing crazy ship. I don't talk
Speaker 1: about type of ship going on, right. And so I'm
Speaker 1: in the radio one day and they asked me the question, yo, Joe,
Speaker 1: what you think about Tupac and all I said, Yo,
Speaker 1: He's cool, but you know, if they stepped to me,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be some ship. So I said that on
Speaker 1: the radio, not knowing Tupac's locked up upstate in New York.
Speaker 1: The Puerto Ricans here that Bobby got beef with fact
Speaker 1: Joel Yo, yo, no, no that, And then we were
Speaker 1: still in the street hard. So I said that in
Speaker 1: an interview, you gotta be careful your words to really
Speaker 1: create problems. So then I get on the phone call.
Speaker 1: I get a phone call from Great Nice, who pretty
Speaker 1: much put me in the game. One of my brothers.
Speaker 1: He said, your Joe, I got pocked. On the other line,
Speaker 1: I was like pop, So I pick up and in Tupac.
Speaker 1: I don't want to elaborate too much, guys. But what
Speaker 1: I'm saying is Tupac was like, Yo, these Puerto Ricans
Speaker 1: is on me, like you said something in the radio.
Speaker 1: I don't got a problem with you, Joe like this,
Speaker 1: I know what's up this is. And so you know,
Speaker 1: we sent the kite out to the Puerto Ricans and
Speaker 1: be like na, na, na, na, na, this ain't about that.
Speaker 1: Don't that not on the strength of me. Don't do that.
Speaker 1: And then they wind up being real tight with Tupac
Speaker 1: and then holding them down in there. That's how that
Speaker 1: came about. But be clear, y'all. I know I talk
Speaker 1: a lot of ship. I talk a lot of ship,
Speaker 1: and I never told that story in twentysomething yus, you know,
Speaker 1: because now we gotta be careful with podcasting, the cloud chasing,
Speaker 1: like it's crazy out there. So outside of that experience
Speaker 1: with him, after he's out, I knew. I knew Tupac
Speaker 1: Tupac the realist rapper ever, but really the fat Joe,
Speaker 1: he's the one. Right when I met Tupac, we was
Speaker 1: in uh Atlanta. It was me Wu Tang, a couple
Speaker 1: of people freestyle it in front of check the rapper
Speaker 1: and the dude comes up with a red band Danna
Speaker 1: and two guns in his hand. That's how I met
Speaker 1: Tupacs to Colleen Jackson for real life Stevie Jackson and
Speaker 1: so and so, I'm like, you know, I'm standing there
Speaker 1: trying to act like you know what suck? You know
Speaker 1: it is what it is, but I don't know who
Speaker 1: the funk this is with two guns. So he's like, yo, crack,
Speaker 1: what's up. I'm like, yo, suck and he was like
Speaker 1: it's me, He's pop. Yeah. This ship he was at
Speaker 1: that COVID a long time ago. There won COVID. He
Speaker 1: pulled ship down. It was like Tupac. That's how I
Speaker 1: met Tupac. Every single time I saw a Tupac to Corps,
Speaker 1: he was in violence, if it was beating up the bootleggers,
Speaker 1: if it was chasing the DJ it was. I would
Speaker 1: see Tupac in the club like you just running up, Yo, Joe,
Speaker 1: pull out a gun. Yo, you've seen such and such
Speaker 1: like crazy and no I did not see such like
Speaker 1: my brother and he's out. So yeah, I met Tupac
Speaker 1: a bunch of times. But Big, let's be clear, Big
Speaker 1: was my brother, right right right, So transcended from those
Speaker 1: two legends. Let's go to your man. Pun talked about
Speaker 1: that relationship with what's your brother Big Pun different? You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, e Pun was the brother I
Speaker 1: never had, the little brother I never had, and I
Speaker 1: was the big brother he never had. And so when
Speaker 1: I met him rapping, I knew he was the best
Speaker 1: in the game and I and I wanted to be
Speaker 1: the Puerto Rican puff Daddy. And I saw what they
Speaker 1: did with Big with my own eyes, so I wanted
Speaker 1: to And so I was like, yo. And so the
Speaker 1: first second I met Punt, he was telling me ship
Speaker 1: that none of us would be talking about. He sat
Speaker 1: in the car, he was like, Yo, you're gonna be
Speaker 1: my big brother, yo, this and this and that, and
Speaker 1: he was just telling me everything about his family is upbringing,
Speaker 1: being homeless. This just a lot of ill ship. I
Speaker 1: come from the street before I started rapping, so unfortunately,
Speaker 1: the streets taught me to never trust nobody. So I'm
Speaker 1: sitting next to Punt and I'm like, why the funk
Speaker 1: this guy's telling me all this ship, Like why is
Speaker 1: he trusting me like this? You know? And uh, and
Speaker 1: and then I realized it's almost like when you get
Speaker 1: your wife. You know what I mean? Guys tell a woman, yo,
Speaker 1: you're gonna be my wife, and then they already know
Speaker 1: you already press a button in your brain, like you know,
Speaker 1: you stopped smoking weed for three months and you never
Speaker 1: thought you You're like fun that him the lot, I'm
Speaker 1: stopping this ship. So it's the same thing. So in
Speaker 1: Pun's mind, he was like, oh no, I got him,
Speaker 1: Joe Cracks my big brother. I'm rolling with him, so
Speaker 1: I'm gonna lay it out for him so he could
Speaker 1: know what's my problem? Why? You know why I want
Speaker 1: to do this. Everybody needs to know that why in life.
Speaker 1: He knew his why. It's like they shipped on me
Speaker 1: and shipped on me, left me for dad. For him,
Speaker 1: Pum was probably like, uh, nineteen, I was trying like
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, and you know, but I was already
Speaker 1: Joe Crack, I'm finishing my second album. I took him
Speaker 1: to the studio that night and he jumped on the album.
Speaker 1: I stopped my whole career to put the energy behind
Speaker 1: Punt and use every relationship I ever made in the
Speaker 1: MU music business to make sure that Punt blew up.
Speaker 1: Because I knew the world needed to hear punt, and
Speaker 1: so you know we got like white Cliffs. Jon had
Speaker 1: just sold thirty million records. I pulled that favor from Joe,
Speaker 1: the singer just went number one Drake numbers at the time,
Speaker 1: like he just did five hundred thousand. I was, you know,
Speaker 1: every favor I could pull, I pulled it for for Punt.
Speaker 1: People were like, oh, it's for you, No, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's from my artists. They never even met him. And
Speaker 1: I was like, na, no, no, he'd one he gonna blow.
Speaker 1: And I knew that he was just gonna open the
Speaker 1: doors for us, almost like I see Rich here and
Speaker 1: the football says the guy that does this running back
Speaker 1: run stid So that that's how we ran with it.
Speaker 1: How important was it to represent the Latin community at
Speaker 1: the time, But we always Latino, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'm Puerto Rican and Cuban. Shout out to Cuba Coo.
Speaker 1: I leave with it and said, we always Latino and
Speaker 1: were always proud to be Latino. But um I got
Speaker 1: in this game, you know, to be Philippino, on be Jamaican,
Speaker 1: be black and white. You know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: made this music for everybody Punt made this music for everybody,
Speaker 1: always representing the culture, but for the world, making this
Speaker 1: music for everybody because music is the is the universe
Speaker 1: music and sports is the university. We probably sat next
Speaker 1: to Confederate Flaggers at the game and high five them
Speaker 1: when they Rod hit the home run. Yo, And it's
Speaker 1: the troph that's the only thing that brings everybody together.
Speaker 1: So music, I was conscious of being a loutino representing
Speaker 1: a lot of things of what we was doing, but
Speaker 1: always it was for everybody because that's how you grew up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what everybody so you know, that's how That's how
Speaker 1: we always approached it. You No, Punt never liked your
Speaker 1: you're nice for a Latino MC. That was the one
Speaker 1: thing you could say to him to kill his whole
Speaker 1: vibe in one second. Yo, you're nice for a Latino
Speaker 1: him like lights for a lot too. You don't ask
Speaker 1: Stevie wonder if he's nice for a being like you know,
Speaker 1: he's serious about that ship like you know. So we
Speaker 1: made music for everybody. Man, So I'm such a fan
Speaker 1: of this era of music. You mentioned puff and you
Speaker 1: said that's what you tried to be for Pun talk
Speaker 1: to us about your experience with Puff and what you
Speaker 1: took from seeing him early on, because he's a monster,
Speaker 1: not taking smarter than everybody. He was smarter than everybody.
Speaker 1: And I asked him when we alone, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Then in the middle of the COVID he
Speaker 1: made me come see him. And this when I was
Speaker 1: staying home. So goes house man, Ship and Ship. They're
Speaker 1: cooking for us, Me and him, just me and Puff
Speaker 1: sitting there and looking at the fucking water, you know,
Speaker 1: And he tell me, I'll tell you he'll confronted. He
Speaker 1: was like, yo, you know you're the realist nigger. Ever,
Speaker 1: I was like, yea, y'all said, I see your puff.
Speaker 1: I don't really need He said, no, I want you
Speaker 1: to know you realist one. I said, with your puff,
Speaker 1: that's cool? And on I said, boy, how was you
Speaker 1: so smart? Like how you figure it out? And I
Speaker 1: canna tell you why? And so he said that he
Speaker 1: studied all the grades, He had his whole game plan.
Speaker 1: So Puff, you take Puff as a party animal weak
Speaker 1: like damn. When when it was happening, he was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: this guy parties too much. But little did we know
Speaker 1: he was networking in there. Little did we know that
Speaker 1: every time he came to my video and maybe where
Speaker 1: Sean John, we was added value to his clothing. Little
Speaker 1: did we know that every time he said yo, hole listen,
Speaker 1: it was just a rock bottle. This guy was billion
Speaker 1: there up the ship. He was just he was a genius.
Speaker 1: I had the time. We did not know right now,
Speaker 1: it'll be right now, you just said him, what's the
Speaker 1: nameless again? You for men? Beautiful life right you. We
Speaker 1: did not know that the at all. We did not
Speaker 1: know that. So he knew everything ahead of his time.
Speaker 1: And if he threw a party, threw a party with
Speaker 1: somebody who would be impressed by all his friends being
Speaker 1: there so he could Paul lay another deal. And he
Speaker 1: was doing all that. We didn't know that. So Puff,
Speaker 1: what I learned from him is, uh, he knew branding,
Speaker 1: uh network, and he knew everything before everybody. He was
Speaker 1: smarter than everybody. Everybody took notes from Puff. Still all
Speaker 1: we're still taking notes. I'm a huge fan of Puff
Speaker 1: and just always just watching it. Like I said to me,
Speaker 1: he figured it out. But he's enjoying the ship White happened.
Speaker 1: It's like it's not a job to he's making money.
Speaker 1: It's it's fun. His life is he's growing to be
Speaker 1: growing as a person to still. Yeah, what we do is, uh,
Speaker 1: we learned to appreciate life and happiness is the key.
Speaker 1: Whatever makes you happy, if it's righteous, if it's not
Speaker 1: robbing nobody, hurting nobody, taking advantage of nobody. Whatever makes
Speaker 1: you happy, do you because God gave you this life.
Speaker 1: God gave you this life. God gave me this life.
Speaker 1: It's like we he at one time, there's an exploration day.
Speaker 1: So you as long as you do it makes you happy,
Speaker 1: you know, and not putting up with what people think
Speaker 1: or what people like. What this is as long as
Speaker 1: you're happy, you know what I'm saying. And I think
Speaker 1: Puff has figured that out. I think Floyd Mayweather has
Speaker 1: figured that out. There's certain people that have figured that
Speaker 1: ship out where they're like, yo, I don't I don't care.
Speaker 1: Whatever makes me happy. And we we were, you know,
Speaker 1: we brought up in the society is so judgment to.
Speaker 1: Everybody got their opinions, everybody got there dis and some
Speaker 1: people just you know, I think Fat Joe being an
Speaker 1: O G now I tapped into yeah, I'm doing what
Speaker 1: makes me happy. If it's hanging out with my daughter.
Speaker 1: That I don't get. I don't care. Maybe it's not
Speaker 1: cooling you no more that I'm not walking in with
Speaker 1: cool That's all right. I hang out with my wife,
Speaker 1: I hang out with my daughter. That's what makes me happy,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Or I hang out with
Speaker 1: my brother Kali, that's what makes me happy. Rich you know,
Speaker 1: it's whatever makes you happy. I remember to touch on Puff.
Speaker 1: I remember when the whole George flour I think was
Speaker 1: going down and I was about to do my first
Speaker 1: interview on seeing it, and like the first time I
Speaker 1: was speaking and I hadn't talked to Puff and nothing.
Speaker 1: It's some kind of way he got my number and
Speaker 1: he faced time me, and the words he told me
Speaker 1: really kind of calmed me that. I was, like, you
Speaker 1: were built for this, Like just remember you speaking for
Speaker 1: all of us, He's saying, And at this point, I
Speaker 1: don't know you, but I know of you, and I
Speaker 1: wouldn't want nobody else in this position. You don't know
Speaker 1: what that did for me, bro, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Just to have him face time me and tell me
Speaker 1: that right before I went on TV. I think that
Speaker 1: was that was big man and I never told him
Speaker 1: because I haven't seen him, but I appreciate that. I
Speaker 1: think that was big. When when Joe gets Puff on
Speaker 1: the show for she coun tell him, yeah, I get
Speaker 1: him on the show, He'll do it, no problem. What
Speaker 1: you gotta understand is when I remember when I was
Speaker 1: going to jail, right, and they drove me to the
Speaker 1: to the jail. It's just a couple of months, but
Speaker 1: I was. I was walking in It's very different being
Speaker 1: the celebrity going in jail in famous. You got animals
Speaker 1: in there, guys who like to kill, rape still, and
Speaker 1: you're walking in there like a bag of money. You're
Speaker 1: walking in there like a UFO. Right, the more famous,
Speaker 1: the worst. But I remember walking in there similar to you.
Speaker 1: My phone rang and it was Little Wayne. I had
Speaker 1: to go in at eight o'clock in the morning, maybe
Speaker 1: at seven fifty nine. Little Wayne. Don't never call me yo,
Speaker 1: bro Listen. I was like, yo, ship was that way,
Speaker 1: and I listen, this is how I got through it.
Speaker 1: Boo boo. And he's not a man of a lot
Speaker 1: of words. So the fact that he called me at
Speaker 1: seven fifty nine, knowing I was walking in there eight
Speaker 1: that ship was like the same type of ship, like
Speaker 1: the legendary Like I was like, all right, now, I
Speaker 1: know what I gotta do. Ended up Earlier you mentioned
Speaker 1: Big was hyping Jup. Talked about when you met j
Speaker 1: his growth and hungriness and transition to the person he
Speaker 1: is today. Man. Uh, Jay's the true Uh, He's the
Speaker 1: proof of you could be born poor, but you're really
Speaker 1: a genius. And sometimes guys don't got money and they
Speaker 1: got the greatest ideas in the world. But we never
Speaker 1: listened to him because they don't got money, they don't
Speaker 1: look they don't look the part. And you know, you're
Speaker 1: a guy my brother Raoul, you know Raoul who was
Speaker 1: the first guy before anybody ever had a fucking water
Speaker 1: in the world. He used to tell me, Yo, let's
Speaker 1: get water and we can sell it in the stores.
Speaker 1: I'm like water, Who's gonna buy water? Water is free?
Speaker 1: I'm telling your waters what I had a time. But
Speaker 1: I didn't listen to Raoul. So Jay Z it's a genius.
Speaker 1: Not just musically. I'm not talking about musically. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about what he's done as a businessman, who he has
Speaker 1: around him to support him. Uh, his ideas. You know,
Speaker 1: this guy's plots and he's a genius. There's no way
Speaker 1: around it. So whether you black, white, Muslim to you you
Speaker 1: have to respect the man from what he's been able
Speaker 1: to do. And we've been taught his historically that we
Speaker 1: can't do that. So he is the perfect specimen that
Speaker 1: you could die sect and say, Yo, this genius is
Speaker 1: in the hood. He comes from the projects and and
Speaker 1: and look what he's been able to do. And he's
Speaker 1: been able to think freely and make different moves that
Speaker 1: when he does it, the smartest people in the world
Speaker 1: of Warren Buffett's be like, wow, it's amazing, amazing move.
Speaker 1: He's the proof. Talk about day the artist a man,
Speaker 1: Jay Z. You know, I'm from the hood where the
Speaker 1: bullets the following man so much. Yeah, let me tell
Speaker 1: you something. The boy has been amazing his whole career.
Speaker 1: He's been a ration, uh for us, musically, lyrically, um
Speaker 1: him with with with Easy. You know, Easy has been
Speaker 1: my favorite rapper for the last ten twelve years. But
Speaker 1: Jay brought Easy in the game. He made me like him,
Speaker 1: you know, because Easy was like backpack rapper. Let's let's
Speaker 1: say the truth, right, The truth is, you know how
Speaker 1: Easy was the backpack rappers. Now, thugs don't really listen
Speaker 1: to backpack rappers like that. But when he got co
Speaker 1: sign and he got that rock chain, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, we was like, oh no, we funk with him.
Speaker 1: He opened the doors right. Same thing with Drake. Drake
Speaker 1: was like a smart guy, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Rapper similar And then once he once my man with
Speaker 1: all the tattoos in his face little way and said,
Speaker 1: oh no, and Burdman was like this, oh no, we fun.
Speaker 1: We fun with this guy, right. So uh as a rapper,
Speaker 1: sky's the limit for him. Man, He's he's always been
Speaker 1: one of the greatest, you know, he's he's a god
Speaker 1: in this game him Nas, I gotta say that, Nas
Speaker 1: and musically, you know those two in the my era
Speaker 1: that considered you know, gods. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Talk to us about how you got got the idea
Speaker 1: of Tero Squad came about. Well, that's crazy, you asked,
Speaker 1: because we talked about things. I bought a present from
Speaker 1: my brother Stevie. He'd be all shout out Christine Juelers.
Speaker 1: Cut it out, man, he all deserves cut it out right.
Speaker 1: You feel guilty that it's taken this long before you
Speaker 1: even opened it. He was just saying, this ship, Bro,
Speaker 1: when he was going over the rundown, he told me
Speaker 1: he's gonna finish it. Hold up, man, he was talking
Speaker 1: about this ship earlier. Bro. He was just now he
Speaker 1: he deserves it. He told me he was going to
Speaker 1: get me one. He's like, oh man, that's love. Crag.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you. You'll be on deserve that because I know,
Speaker 1: I know, I know what you've done for me. Besides this, though,
Speaker 1: like I was telling them my rookie year, I was traveling,
Speaker 1: I remember going out one day. I can't I can't
Speaker 1: wait to find a chain to put this on. But look, um,
Speaker 1: I gotta look at I want to look at that
Speaker 1: ship too. That's the real deal, Pristine, Pristine. I come
Speaker 1: to see you, boy, I'm gonna see Pristine right after
Speaker 1: this is getting me a chain to put it on
Speaker 1: right now. Suppose me leaving here. It should be free.
Speaker 1: Since you get all this promotion he I got about
Speaker 1: tear rats to spend on the Chaine, Pristine, come to look.
Speaker 1: I remember. That means a lot to me, bro, because
Speaker 1: I still have I remember when you took your ap
Speaker 1: Rex black aby Rex jacket off and they got Terroft
Speaker 1: Squad on the back. I still have that jacket. But
Speaker 1: when I was here in my rookie year after I
Speaker 1: met you, I was going from I was you know,
Speaker 1: like I said, I was wild and and I was
Speaker 1: going out every night. I was going into the hood
Speaker 1: clubs everywhere around the New York and everywhere I was.
Speaker 1: I've seen two the Reacons everywhere I went. I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: I think these dudes following me everywhere. They followed me
Speaker 1: like next thing, you know. Come to find out that
Speaker 1: was his people following me around and make sure I
Speaker 1: was straight my whole time here. And I never told
Speaker 1: you thank you, but I appreciate that, man, because because
Speaker 1: because I ain't gonna lie, I was pushing the line.
Speaker 1: I was pushing the line back then. I was jeopardizing
Speaker 1: my career out there, and your habitual love pushed. I
Speaker 1: was pushing. Let me tell you, I'll tell you a
Speaker 1: crazy story, right, Um is hard, bro, that's right, boy.
Speaker 1: You got that big boy too. That's it? Yeah boy,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah yeah, that ain't no regular, that's that. No, no,
Speaker 1: that's that. But get it. But let let me tell
Speaker 1: you something. My brother you remember the time they put
Speaker 1: a prank on him. He came to my house in Jersey,
Speaker 1: my first house. I was in my room for some reason,
Speaker 1: and one of the guys would be told them, Yo,
Speaker 1: you know the next store neighbors racist. He took Joe's
Speaker 1: dog because he's black, and he killed Joe's dog. Jack kill.
Speaker 1: Jack ran to the next door and there ran banging
Speaker 1: on this door, right, so they laughing on the floor
Speaker 1: and they opened it to your Joe. Yo, check this
Speaker 1: out what I did. He said, Yeah, we told Steve
Speaker 1: Jack the neighbor killed your dog. I'm running out there. Cha.
Speaker 1: They're lying, they're lying. It's not true. They're lying. He
Speaker 1: ready to go funk up the neighbor because but that
Speaker 1: was all because of the love, the genuine love you
Speaker 1: show me. I was in your home at the time.
Speaker 1: That was it. I was at your house, so you
Speaker 1: know you opened the doors to me and treating me
Speaker 1: like a brother like they won. Man. So I've ever
Speaker 1: ride for you always. We love you, love you. But
Speaker 1: back to the question, I mean, beautiful piece, welcome to
Speaker 1: the squad. Well he's been the squad. Yeah, the world
Speaker 1: no lead it over. Talked to us how the terrost
Speaker 1: Car came about. But we you know, we're from the street,
Speaker 1: started in the projects and we started out a graffiti crew,
Speaker 1: so we write graffiti. Now, the two guys who invented
Speaker 1: Terror squadl with graffiti artists. They graduated into robbing banks
Speaker 1: and so they started getting big money. My man Cosmo
Speaker 1: and uh, he was like, yo, I'm not writing graffiti
Speaker 1: no more. You know, he started getting deferent. They were
Speaker 1: robbing banks like, and so he was like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give you t S and you're gonna be the new president.
Speaker 1: He say, I never forget. I was like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take this to another love. I ain't know rap, It's
Speaker 1: gonna be the biggest thing you've ever seen in your life.
Speaker 1: I gotta And then immediately, you know, we formed TS
Speaker 1: the crew, and then when we started rapping, we wasn't
Speaker 1: even gonna be TS. When we started rapping, we was
Speaker 1: thinking of names and Pump was like, yo, let's just
Speaker 1: wrap TS we TS. I was like, all right, we
Speaker 1: did Terror Squawd. What kind of successful when that kind
Speaker 1: of took off? What was I mean? Obviously, like you said,
Speaker 1: you're always taking ideas from Puff or not taking ideas,
Speaker 1: but just watching kind of picking up game for that
Speaker 1: for you what was the next move after that? Oh? Man?
Speaker 1: You know, we did it. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We signed major record label deals with Atlantic. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I'm like twenty something. They're giving me
Speaker 1: ten million to run my own company. You know, we
Speaker 1: we we did it. We made the dream come true.
Speaker 1: We stayed its course. You know, TS a lifestyle man.
Speaker 1: It's doctors in TS. You know what I'm saying. It's
Speaker 1: it's bothers and TS. It's you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We we got a large family, man, and we love
Speaker 1: each other. And you know how many people asked me
Speaker 1: to buy a TS and we tell them no. People
Speaker 1: ask me yo, jo yo, it's time. Can I buy
Speaker 1: my own? T'm like, na, we can't, like not now,
Speaker 1: I gotta talk to the guys. Really, it's like you
Speaker 1: can't get the TS bro like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And if you see somebody with it, if they really down,
Speaker 1: oh no, they family, yeah, you know, you know they family.
Speaker 1: And so we got billionaires wearing TS change you know
Speaker 1: whoever really really really family? They t S and it's
Speaker 1: like a lifestyle man. Extensive career. Tell me what was
Speaker 1: if you could pick, If you can your favorite album,
Speaker 1: My favorite album was my second album, Jealous. Ones. Every
Speaker 1: when I was that that last one, it was just like,
Speaker 1: you know, like Biggie said, Yo, you came up. You know,
Speaker 1: because my first album it was a height. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I wasn't really you know, practice makes perfect.
Speaker 1: So I've always looked at my career as a marathon,
Speaker 1: never like overnight success. So I kept practicing to get better,
Speaker 1: to get better all the summers. Even if I was
Speaker 1: hot and I was on fire and everybody were in
Speaker 1: the street enjoying my hits, I was still in the
Speaker 1: lab trying to get better, trying to get better, trying
Speaker 1: to get better. That's what it means to me. You know,
Speaker 1: that's my favorite album. Jealous was still Envy, That's my
Speaker 1: favorite album. That's my favorite album. Where did the inspiration
Speaker 1: from lean Back come from? That inspiration came a couple
Speaker 1: of places. Uh, Missy Elliott. She always had that shout.
Speaker 1: She would always come with a new style, she would
Speaker 1: always come with a new flow as she would always
Speaker 1: come with her I didn't know that lean Back taught
Speaker 1: me a repetitive hooker. Is that your man? But man,
Speaker 1: man man, is that your technic? And I never knew
Speaker 1: that that's the hit formula when the people senior hook continuous,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, continuously, so that she inspired
Speaker 1: that hook. Also, the Jamaicans were doing big like a
Speaker 1: rock Away, a rock Away sig new to play sew
Speaker 1: to place. I was like, yo, we gotta we gotta
Speaker 1: do some ship to agents could funk with. So then
Speaker 1: it was like my people don't dance, We just full
Speaker 1: up a pants in and do the think about success
Speaker 1: you experience with that. Imagine if there's a social media
Speaker 1: movement at that time, crazy right, be the most disrespectful
Speaker 1: ship I have seen. I'm trying to tell my daughters,
Speaker 1: my daughter sleep something to anybody with social media. Social
Speaker 1: media is a younger man's game. We we we do
Speaker 1: our think respect for me. We got We're still relevant,
Speaker 1: but no, it's for that age group. If that was
Speaker 1: out When Lea was I had many nine million followers,
Speaker 1: Like I said, you know, I know, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's like we was the magic Johnson's of
Speaker 1: this ship. You know, Maggie Johnson. Everybody praising we got
Speaker 1: a million dollars for his one year. That one year.
Speaker 1: Now you got the guy, the fifteenth guy on the
Speaker 1: bench getting two hundred million, right, So he paved the way.
Speaker 1: So I know what it is. I'm not crazy. I'm like,
Speaker 1: damn if I was eighteen nineteen leaving back right now.
Speaker 1: I have followers. You know, Summer of oh three was
Speaker 1: supposed to be the legendary Rucker Park match up. I was.
Speaker 1: I wasn't there at that game, but I've represented the team.
Speaker 1: We bought some masks when the tea. When we played
Speaker 1: one game in Dykeman Park, not to take away from Rucker,
Speaker 1: and Steve went so crazy and they cheated us. And
Speaker 1: that one game we knew not to never come back
Speaker 1: to dyke because Steve was about to beat up some
Speaker 1: players and not. But I knew all these people ain't
Speaker 1: gonna let us win here. I knew it immediately, and
Speaker 1: my uncle helped create that league, Ralphie d I was like, yo,
Speaker 1: I said, your Ralph, Ralph tried to gas. We did
Speaker 1: to go to Dykemand. We played one game. Steve might
Speaker 1: have had fifty points on him right after he won
Speaker 1: that chip. He was doing them dirty. They jerked us.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh no, I can't come back, never
Speaker 1: again again. No, because it's not fars. But at the
Speaker 1: Rucker we want seven chips. And uh, you know that
Speaker 1: that Blackout game? Uh you know I was just talking
Speaker 1: to Maverick about it. You know, you know that Blackout game, Matt,
Speaker 1: we was gonna win. Tell us your did shock speak
Speaker 1: on this? Who was on your team? He was on
Speaker 1: the bus or something waiting to come out? Talk to U?
Speaker 1: Who was on your team? Listen? We had Stephen Maulberry
Speaker 1: when he was the highest paid player in the N
Speaker 1: giving them that work right. We had Al Harrington's front
Speaker 1: and center. We had Zack Randolph z Boat. We had
Speaker 1: Carmelo Anthony, We had Jermaine O'Neil. Not Carmelo Anthony wanted
Speaker 1: to come because Lebron was on jay Z's two. They
Speaker 1: both Lebrons fresh at high school. Carmelo won that chip
Speaker 1: with Syracuse, so they want to get at it now.
Speaker 1: They had Sebastian Telfair, who was Stefan's little cousin. We
Speaker 1: used to buy the guy to get over Chinese. I
Speaker 1: could not believe this thing. If anybody heard us in
Speaker 1: that series with Sebastian Telfair. We knew him. Were seating
Speaker 1: this guy. You know what I'm saying. Oh no, he
Speaker 1: was gonna get the business. Was gonna kill him. Now
Speaker 1: a surprise that that they don't know that I really
Speaker 1: did have a Damn. I don't want to miss out
Speaker 1: somebody else. I think Shawn Marian was there with us too.
Speaker 1: But the surprise I did have. Okay waiting in fifty
Speaker 1: seven Street, you know they were playing spades, was Mike
Speaker 1: Bibbie and Alan Novison when they were paying for the
Speaker 1: US team and all that waiting. So I was gonna go.
Speaker 1: The game was gonna go by the first quarter. I
Speaker 1: was gonna drive down and go get him to come
Speaker 1: back to the halftime. AI, Mike Baby, I was about
Speaker 1: to be a movie. We I mean you know this
Speaker 1: that Ai? This that you know that's who I had
Speaker 1: for sure. You're confirmed with everybody they said they had shock.
Speaker 1: If they had shock, I say, they win. I'm not dizzy,
Speaker 1: I'm not crazy. You got should kill O'Neill at that
Speaker 1: time you're winning. Nobody's going to stop him, right, But
Speaker 1: no one what they say in court, no one process
Speaker 1: the evidence. Nobody showed me should kill O'Neil right in
Speaker 1: this room as he really wasn't here. No, he was there.
Speaker 1: He told us. He said he was sitting around the
Speaker 1: corner on the bus. White to play this thing would
Speaker 1: have been crazy. So that you know of who was
Speaker 1: on the other team. We know Lebron was on the
Speaker 1: other day. Bron was on the other teaen Jamal Crawford
Speaker 1: was drawing. That's his, that's his disrespectful. They had a
Speaker 1: young Lament owed him. They had a young Lamar oldam
Speaker 1: who else they had out there? I mean they had
Speaker 1: several players, but the one I could confirm is they
Speaker 1: had Sebastan Telfair. They had Lebron for sure. Uh, they
Speaker 1: had um who they had, They had Jamal Crawford and
Speaker 1: all them, and they had shot now the only thing
Speaker 1: that could have because like everybody else is getting X
Speaker 1: out with the squad, your men, Uh, shock is different. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell your story, right because this like a
Speaker 1: sports show or whatever. I'm in Miami, I go to
Speaker 1: the studio, work in my studio, all right, I'm walking there.
Speaker 1: One night, I'm supposed to be in the studio and
Speaker 1: it's pitch black dog, no lights on whatever, I walk
Speaker 1: in there there's a shadow of a human being, this
Speaker 1: big in the dark, and I said, holy, they came
Speaker 1: to kill me. No, No, that's it. This is it.
Speaker 1: This is like, this is what people must feel like
Speaker 1: when they're about to die, Like you know, she's gonna
Speaker 1: kill like hello, yeah, I've seen the like Shot, turn
Speaker 1: on the light. She killed on there. No, he said,
Speaker 1: they just traded me the Phoenix. Nigella. I wanted you
Speaker 1: to be the first to know I was going to
Speaker 1: die like the shadow of Shot. That's the big motherfucker, man,
Speaker 1: he say. He wants me to be the person to
Speaker 1: know what. I know it. I'm dead. I know what.
Speaker 1: I'm dead. They said, the biggest guy in this guy's
Speaker 1: gonna kill me. I turned on the light and Shock,
Speaker 1: the old big fellow just wanted you to know, man,
Speaker 1: they traded me to Phoenix something. Where were you in Miami,
Speaker 1: Miami when he was in Miami. I tell you another
Speaker 1: thing I used to tell you and Shock, don't kill me.
Speaker 1: But you know me, Hey, I used to be together
Speaker 1: every day and it's prompt every day. And when he
Speaker 1: played them in the championship, I kept trying to gas Hey,
Speaker 1: I kept saying Yo, don't call Shack. It's gonna be legendary,
Speaker 1: right said, when you think you know the legendary, it's
Speaker 1: real good. But let's sen let's say all right. So
Speaker 1: I'm just telling them I said, yo, don't don't right
Speaker 1: because a I at that time, he had them hop stoopid,
Speaker 1: and I was like dunt. One day he looked at me,
Speaker 1: he said, he's gonna throw me in the stad He's
Speaker 1: gonna pay me up. Stop telling to me that I
Speaker 1: see your shock muster abused people. I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: don't confuse joking, laughing, playing running around naked Shock with
Speaker 1: game time, Shocker told me he's two bodies. If some
Speaker 1: let him drive, if someone say our guard is cooking,
Speaker 1: he said, let him come on in here and shock
Speaker 1: a lamb out. And now him, Joe Shock is different.
Speaker 1: This is my story of Shack, and I told us
Speaker 1: all the time. But we're beenna playing. He's in things
Speaker 1: we've been to play, and you know, that's like a
Speaker 1: big brother to me. I talked to him just as
Speaker 1: much as you talked to him every day. He actually
Speaker 1: texts me two days ago and uh, tell me how
Speaker 1: proud he was with everything I'm doing in the community.
Speaker 1: But I know him to go up to the game
Speaker 1: and run up and chest bumping. Right, what's up, big bro?
Speaker 1: He catches me mid air with two hands, like, man,
Speaker 1: put me down. Why would you do that that? Tek
Speaker 1: just catches me mid air like I'm five pounds on man,
Speaker 1: put me down. Bro, don't do that. And they made
Speaker 1: a new if they would have made uh this era
Speaker 1: the Bruce Lee movie when Kareem was fighting saving about
Speaker 1: a hundred times. You don't want to smoke with shat.
Speaker 1: I heard you. I don't recall what interview it was,
Speaker 1: but obviously in the music game, in life in general,
Speaker 1: beefts happen, beasts happened. You've had you know, you have
Speaker 1: one with Fifty, you have one with Jay. I heard
Speaker 1: you say that. You know, you just had a place
Speaker 1: to put, you know, let the beasts go and see
Speaker 1: what kind of doors open speak to us about. Obviously
Speaker 1: I love the positive side of that, but in the moment,
Speaker 1: it's some ship. I mean, you and fifty had a
Speaker 1: real beef. I mean you and Jay had you know,
Speaker 1: you and Jay had to beef. What what is it
Speaker 1: like because you come from the streets, you know, and
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that other people don't but from from
Speaker 1: the rucker. No that yeah, but just before that, like
Speaker 1: we had beef like before that. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It was all my fault to be honest with you
Speaker 1: and just being correct, just being crazy. And after you
Speaker 1: tell us a story, I want to know how you
Speaker 1: out the name crack, but tell us the story. It's
Speaker 1: a funny story. Well, you know, the beef does not work.
Speaker 1: It don't work because you go from right right now,
Speaker 1: you go from safe fat Joe, I'm walking around with
Speaker 1: rich uh if I got into some rap beef for
Speaker 1: let's say, now we're on high alert, I gotta bring
Speaker 1: twenty guys with me wherever I go. I mean across
Speaker 1: the country. I mean, if we're in the A T
Speaker 1: L four seasons, it's twenty seats and twenty sweets in
Speaker 1: the four seasons. If we on this and we got
Speaker 1: two buses, were on two private planes were on this
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you gotta move different. You wake
Speaker 1: up everyone and thinking is today to day we're about
Speaker 1: to go at it, you know, and all that energy
Speaker 1: it does nothing for you, bro Like it never benefited
Speaker 1: a thing to me. I never made a dollar out
Speaker 1: of it. If anything made me spend more money and
Speaker 1: waste more frustration and stress. You know me, I come
Speaker 1: from a serious place, like serious place like where where where?
Speaker 1: Where I came up. I was in the streets going
Speaker 1: to war with animals like people you read about the
Speaker 1: Bibles and ship like guys were three heads, you know,
Speaker 1: the worst people you ever seen. So when I get
Speaker 1: a hip hop and people start missing me on like internet,
Speaker 1: and I didn't know how to deal with that myself.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, like like what is this?
Speaker 1: Like I was almost like dinosaur in the New Age,
Speaker 1: And so they did to me. I'm like, my god,
Speaker 1: I would when I cast these guys, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I didn't. Like That's all I had in my head, Like, yo,
Speaker 1: I gotta show these guys what this thing is like
Speaker 1: for real. So it was gonna be bad, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So thank God, you know, time heals
Speaker 1: all wounds. And we got older and we got bigger,
Speaker 1: and now I'm great friends with fifty Cents. I'm great
Speaker 1: friends with Jay z Uh. These are brothers. And I
Speaker 1: just think if there's anything, like I told you, my
Speaker 1: life is transparent. You could see my wins and you
Speaker 1: can see my failures. But I want you to learn
Speaker 1: from it. I want the youth. I want to the
Speaker 1: young rappers to know, Yo, it ain't nothing in that.
Speaker 1: It don't make you holler that you be from with somebody.
Speaker 1: It just makes it more likely that you and your
Speaker 1: friends are gonna go to jail. And somebody just said
Speaker 1: no all the time, but somebody always says that the
Speaker 1: new thing. Somebody said, I think it was my band
Speaker 1: Big Bank from the a T I love this guy.
Speaker 1: Big Bank says, Uh, if you against the rapper and
Speaker 1: you want to still be gangster, you're gonna get locked up.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's it's simple as that, like if
Speaker 1: you want to be you even want to be a rapper,
Speaker 1: artist and a businessman to live your life beautifully, or
Speaker 1: if you still want to be in that street like that,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get locked up. And historically we've been watching this,
Speaker 1: so we try to show the youth, the up and
Speaker 1: coming youth, like, yo, you ain't gotta beef. You can
Speaker 1: leave that alone. You could have their differences, but keep
Speaker 1: it moving, move on, because at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: when you start being a young kid, dribbling the basketball
Speaker 1: and you start dribbling and I started rapping. We're trying
Speaker 1: to get about this ship and not go back, not
Speaker 1: go back. And then some people they sipped the juice
Speaker 1: once they get on and they forget, and then you know,
Speaker 1: they're like and they're like, damn, bro, Like what the
Speaker 1: funk man? It makes sense to meet you're trying to
Speaker 1: get out to me, it just never made sense to
Speaker 1: want to go back to it. I mean, obviously you
Speaker 1: come from it. But yesterday me and Rich was driving
Speaker 1: in the car. We talked about something. Something happened. I
Speaker 1: don't know what it was, let's just say it was
Speaker 1: something happened. And normally ten years ago we got out
Speaker 1: and beat the ship out of a dude and dragged
Speaker 1: them in the middle of But we were were talking
Speaker 1: and I said, you're Rich. We would be assholes if
Speaker 1: the mayor of New York City wants Fat Joe to
Speaker 1: endorse it, because you know, you know, I'm becoming an
Speaker 1: elder statesman in the city. We would be assholes on
Speaker 1: the news, jumping out this truck, beating somebody up on
Speaker 1: the street court. Did you get what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta grown man and show to youth.
Speaker 1: You know that ain't net boy, luck, don't don't don't,
Speaker 1: don't be away. I don't want to be a walking contradiction,
Speaker 1: you know That's what I said. Like, even when I
Speaker 1: have beef with people, I try to I even go
Speaker 1: to the point where publicly apologize, because that's not where
Speaker 1: I'm at. I know where I used to be. You
Speaker 1: know how I would react. You know how I used
Speaker 1: to be to where I am where I'm at today.
Speaker 1: I love this person I am, so I wouldn't. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't dad play myself out the street or some petty
Speaker 1: uh Instagram beef or some bullshit like that. Ever, And
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's some older ship because I
Speaker 1: feel the same way. I love where I'm at. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm happy, I'm cool. You know I'm doing great. I
Speaker 1: of where I'm at. I don't never feel less of
Speaker 1: a man that I don't jump out and do the same.
Speaker 1: That's dumb ship, because we really come from it. It's
Speaker 1: a big difference when you really come from it. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You don't want to go back there.
Speaker 1: We spoke to this earlier. But when you and fifty
Speaker 1: squashed your beef. If there were viral moments back, it
Speaker 1: would have went crazy. Talk to us about how that
Speaker 1: happened and just kind of the energy ironic the only
Speaker 1: way they explained it to you. I gotta get this
Speaker 1: stored out real quick, because it was like the wicked
Speaker 1: Wich to the West is Dad, you know, the Wizard
Speaker 1: of Oz is ah. Chris Litty unfortunately discovered me in
Speaker 1: fifty and uh so we did a tribute to him
Speaker 1: at the BT Awards. They asked us to go Stephen Hill.
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I brought my biggest shooters. I ain't
Speaker 1: gonna lie to you. Were beyond strap at the awards,
Speaker 1: and we were, you know, we didn't know, but we're
Speaker 1: gonna come. And then we do the rehearsal and somehow
Speaker 1: fifth he ends up right here, right next to me,
Speaker 1: and he stands there and he puts his hands out
Speaker 1: and he was like yo piece for Chris Ldy. My man,
Speaker 1: I just saw all the craziest ship the fifty said
Speaker 1: about me and what he did. It was like racing.
Speaker 1: My life was racing. Like I was looking at him.
Speaker 1: I was like peace, It's like yo piece for Chris Ley.
Speaker 1: That's what he wanted. So when I shook his hand,
Speaker 1: you gotta understand this is a rehearsal for the BET Awards,
Speaker 1: that the whole industry is there. They were everybody was
Speaker 1: jumping up and down, hugging each other. They were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's christ It's all like they're running up like yeah
Speaker 1: because they're like, yo, they're in the same building now
Speaker 1: because the whole time we beat and we never see
Speaker 1: seeing each other. So people, men, women, child, everybody was
Speaker 1: dancing in the stands. The my god, it's over. You'll
Speaker 1: holy you know, people start running up. Before you had
Speaker 1: phones with the cameras, they're running up like yo, let's
Speaker 1: take a picture. Yea, yeah, Like it was just crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking, like now that someone have been behind
Speaker 1: the scenes kind of filming the whole thing and to
Speaker 1: kind of see that ship going down like magic. We
Speaker 1: didn't have that time. But you know what I wish,
Speaker 1: especially some of these young motherfucker's, I wish they could
Speaker 1: have seen that, what I'm saying, because it was powering.
Speaker 1: That's a power in that moment, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: The day it's not worth especially with these I mean,
Speaker 1: these young kids. I mean kind of out there, just wilding.
Speaker 1: But don't you know when you're young. You know, when
Speaker 1: you're young, you're crazy. You don't think about tomorrow, right,
Speaker 1: and so you're young, you will. Steve is the same
Speaker 1: way you're young, you while you're impulsive and you're thinking,
Speaker 1: I'm young, I might go to jail for ten fifteen years,
Speaker 1: I'll still come out there. They're gonna let me when
Speaker 1: I come home. The most ignorant ship you ever seen,
Speaker 1: you know, And and so we gotta let them know.
Speaker 1: You know, you're gonna live past that. We want you
Speaker 1: to live out here. We don't want you to be
Speaker 1: in jail. We want you to live out here. Man,
Speaker 1: live a righteous life. A lot of people die before
Speaker 1: they even live. How how did the hip hop in
Speaker 1: Miami grow when you arrived? Well, grow ship. We grew
Speaker 1: that motherfucker all the way right. So it's uh, you know,
Speaker 1: Miami has always been U a place that embraced me,
Speaker 1: show me love, made me happy. You know. I come
Speaker 1: from the concrete jungle New York City, no disrespect, but
Speaker 1: it's just a big giant ghetto. Let's see, when you
Speaker 1: were landing in the plain, you don't see no palm
Speaker 1: trees and no ship. You just see a big metallic
Speaker 1: ghetto and bricks. And so when I when I got
Speaker 1: to experienced Miami and how the people are, how nice
Speaker 1: they were, you know what I'm saying New York hip hop.
Speaker 1: You know, when I grew up, I came up at
Speaker 1: a time where we was in each other's videos. Everybody
Speaker 1: was celebrating each other and had got into like a
Speaker 1: bad time where dip Set was arguing with Nas and
Speaker 1: I'm beefing with fifty and this one is just New
Speaker 1: York rappers. It was just out of control. And so
Speaker 1: that's around the time I had met Cool and Dre
Speaker 1: and I fell in love with Dom and Khalid, and
Speaker 1: I said, yo, I'm moving to Miami. And then when
Speaker 1: I got there, I noticed that everybody I wanted to
Speaker 1: work with each other. You know, we had Little Wayne
Speaker 1: in one studio, We had Ross in one studio. You
Speaker 1: got pit Buller in another studio. You had Kalid in
Speaker 1: the studio. You had Me in the studio, and everybody
Speaker 1: running and everybody's stuff helping them, helping each other. Yo, yo,
Speaker 1: you should say this crack, Yo, you should say that, yo, yo.
Speaker 1: I get on that song this and and I was like,
Speaker 1: holy sh it, this is what hip hop's about, man,
Speaker 1: Everybody working with each other, helping each other out, and
Speaker 1: we had lost that for a very long time. In
Speaker 1: New York, Cool and Drake talked to us about your
Speaker 1: your experience meeting Calin and working with Kali. Man. I
Speaker 1: met Kali here New York and uh, one of these
Speaker 1: uh seminars, I want to say it was Jack the Rapp.
Speaker 1: I said whatever one they had new music seminar in
Speaker 1: New York something. It was Clark Kent was having a
Speaker 1: battle and I'm waiting online to go in there to
Speaker 1: see him have a DJ battle and uh, this is
Speaker 1: like nine one or something, and Kalid was in there No. No. Two,
Speaker 1: and Kali had my album before anybody was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: could you sign this? And I was like signed this?
Speaker 1: Like how do fu you get my album? This is
Speaker 1: one boot Legan was real and it was like, no
Speaker 1: fan I wanted to so I signed it and uh
Speaker 1: he was with DJ Nasty out of Orlando, and I
Speaker 1: just fell in love with calib and everything that everybody
Speaker 1: finally figured out now, I learned it from the first
Speaker 1: day and I was just like, Yo, this is my
Speaker 1: brother and I love him. Pun loved him. You know,
Speaker 1: Pun would go down to Miami to playing all this music.
Speaker 1: I had a time caliber of A and Arsons forever.
Speaker 1: Big Pun used to drive down there be like, Yo, Kelley,
Speaker 1: what you think and play for him. It's just an
Speaker 1: infectious energy um that he has of of love. He's
Speaker 1: you know people, when you get to know him, you're
Speaker 1: just like, wow, I love this guy, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And I fell in love with him. So
Speaker 1: that helped me move down there as well. Not too
Speaker 1: many people that have that talent to cut you off,
Speaker 1: that have that talent of being able to bring all
Speaker 1: these thoughts together and not have an ego in the room.
Speaker 1: You know this guy, he turned out to be a jokester,
Speaker 1: a funny guy that was dead serious, right, So when
Speaker 1: you met him, the Jamaicans matter and it was like, Yo, man,
Speaker 1: I was with buld you last week, Me, Buojo and
Speaker 1: Kalet was on vacation together in the Bahamas, and I
Speaker 1: was like, yo, well why are you? Like Kelly said none.
Speaker 1: He was the Arab guy and I couldn't believe the
Speaker 1: Arab DJ and he and Jamaica, he and the King
Speaker 1: Town and and it just something that everybody was like
Speaker 1: the Arab, the Arab like he was in Jamaica, like
Speaker 1: trying to get dumbs from Bound to Kill know, all
Speaker 1: of Cableton and all him. And then and then Bouji
Speaker 1: was like, yo, it was just something to bottom is
Speaker 1: the same ship I'm saying. And then, you know, we
Speaker 1: used to laugh at this guy, and then he became
Speaker 1: the biggest DJ out there, and the same thing with us.
Speaker 1: You know, with me, he was always my little brother.
Speaker 1: He was always with us. And then he turned around
Speaker 1: and he was like, yo, bro, I want to get
Speaker 1: in the game. I want to make my own music.
Speaker 1: I was like, make your own music. It's like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm serious, brother, I want to make my own music.
Speaker 1: Like it's time DJ Kalabs. So I came up here
Speaker 1: and I got him to deal. You know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying that they was trying to front because they were
Speaker 1: they didn't know what time it was with DJ Call
Speaker 1: and I forget. You know, it's first deal. You know
Speaker 1: we you know, Terroft squad on him first seven albums,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So and then it turned
Speaker 1: into we the best we can and that's what it's
Speaker 1: about all of us went and all of us growing,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So he never looked back.
Speaker 1: He dropped. His first song was a hit, the second
Speaker 1: was a hit, the third was it hit the fun
Speaker 1: I've never seen a guy just drop here here are you?
Speaker 1: The ship won't stop? Were the best, the best, my brother,
Speaker 1: all the way up. That was it. It was triumph.
Speaker 1: That was you know, you know, I got in trouble
Speaker 1: for some ship. I ain't do accountant didn't pay my taxes.
Speaker 1: He robbed me. Uh he was a Ponzi scheme guy
Speaker 1: and I didn't know. And so the government that even
Speaker 1: though we proved that he robbed me, they said, we
Speaker 1: believe that it's your You as the employer, you are
Speaker 1: responsible for the people to work for you. So after
Speaker 1: I gave him the money, I had to pay that
Speaker 1: money again at the pay for all. Right, if you
Speaker 1: steal this cup and the state wants you to regular cops,
Speaker 1: a lawyer, of course you five thousand, ten thousand. Do
Speaker 1: you still this same cup? And the fedgs charging for
Speaker 1: this cup? Your lawyer charges you two hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: So you could imagine what the lawyers was doing to
Speaker 1: me that the forensics, Like, man, these guys they tried
Speaker 1: to finish me, man, and they left me. Damn, they're broke.
Speaker 1: And I paid everything before I went to court to
Speaker 1: Centers and I paid them back the money. I paid everything,
Speaker 1: the penalties, everything you could think of. And so they
Speaker 1: still put me in jail for four months. And I
Speaker 1: remember in jail, I had this plan, but you have
Speaker 1: to get hot, like in your sense, you would have
Speaker 1: to get that. Jeremy Lyndon running to go get it right,
Speaker 1: Like Jeremy Lynden was like, So I'm sitting in there,
Speaker 1: I'm making the whole plan. Yo. Once this is I'm
Speaker 1: gonna open some sneaky stores. I'm gonna do this. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna invest in that. But I need to heat. So
Speaker 1: I didn't know all the way up was coming. So
Speaker 1: we went in the studio and we kept cooking and
Speaker 1: cooking and cooking, and we caught it. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh no, this is it. And it was big for
Speaker 1: my sister Remy because Remy had just did seven years
Speaker 1: in jail. So she came out. She was getting back
Speaker 1: in the thing. They told her every day when she
Speaker 1: was in jail that she would never be shipped that
Speaker 1: her fans ain't gonna believe in her, that she couldn't
Speaker 1: be nothing. And so we get together, we do all
Speaker 1: the way up, and the motherfucker just explodes and we
Speaker 1: never looked back. Nominated for a Grammy, we should have
Speaker 1: won that. I forget who who beat us? Black Eyed Peace,
Speaker 1: chance to rapper, like you know, you know, we y'all
Speaker 1: love a chance to wrapper, but that all the way
Speaker 1: up and the story behind it, you know, the story
Speaker 1: of people coming back from nothing and making it like
Speaker 1: we should have had that. Definitely, you've talked about, you know,
Speaker 1: sided or having big one of the biggest first shows,
Speaker 1: helping Calie. You've been very instrumental even you were now
Speaker 1: you're an o G. But in the process, throughout your
Speaker 1: whole career, you've always tried to put other people on.
Speaker 1: How important is that to you? It's just like you said,
Speaker 1: we all, we all even we got an obligation. Man.
Speaker 1: I think I'm just a vessel of hip hop culture.
Speaker 1: And if you hear somebody, whether it has financial gain
Speaker 1: or it doesn't. If I if I heard an artist
Speaker 1: right now, who's the next eminem and outside and he said, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I don't want to sign a youth fatial, I
Speaker 1: will probably give him three people's numbers that will sign
Speaker 1: them immediately, because it's just hip hop culture. You know,
Speaker 1: hip hop culture, man, you know, we gotta keep elevating,
Speaker 1: we gotta keep bringing the truth. We gotta you know,
Speaker 1: and and that's what it's about. For me. I've always
Speaker 1: wanted everybody to shine, you know, and my concept has
Speaker 1: always been, you know, the more of us that's winning,
Speaker 1: and the better position will be because if one of
Speaker 1: us stumble a four, we could pick him up. Somebody
Speaker 1: got to stay in position. And that's what I always say.
Speaker 1: If you're not out bringing somebody up and helping your
Speaker 1: brother get ahead, what we are here doing at this
Speaker 1: point in life. First of all, you're trying to save yourself.
Speaker 1: It's like that the airplane goes, throw the mask on yourself.
Speaker 1: Now you in position, you saved yourself, try to help
Speaker 1: of its you know what I'm saying that that's been
Speaker 1: my you know, that's one of my biggest things that
Speaker 1: I'm proud of is that, you know, I come from
Speaker 1: Bronx leving On the hospital. I grew up dead, bro poor.
Speaker 1: I might have singlehandedly help twenty different human beings that
Speaker 1: were poor to become millionaires and then trickle down effect
Speaker 1: they got everybody got jobs. My hundreds of jobs coming
Speaker 1: from putting these people on. And that that's the thing
Speaker 1: I'm probably most proud of at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: is the family tree and how everybody has succeeded, you know.
Speaker 1: And I don't want nothing from nobody, you know. I
Speaker 1: make my own money. I work hard for myself. Even
Speaker 1: if you gave it to me, I wouldn't take it,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But I love of that.
Speaker 1: I could walk in Kalid's house and the fucking ceilings
Speaker 1: is to the moon and this white marble all over.
Speaker 1: I could walk in Cool and jameson. I could walk
Speaker 1: in Dmi's house and she gotta fucking pool in the
Speaker 1: middle of the house indoor. Man, she just ship and
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there and I'm like this, and they make
Speaker 1: me my little you know, my little bee friends, just
Speaker 1: shipping some rice and peas, and I sit down and
Speaker 1: then when the ladies acts, well, who's that? Why are
Speaker 1: you treating him like that? Yo? He didn't want to
Speaker 1: put him on. I'm telling you, I said, let me
Speaker 1: tell you something. I'm on vacation with Kalid and uh,
Speaker 1: this is crazy because he's gonna watch this right. But
Speaker 1: one of the ladies that worked for him, she was like,
Speaker 1: I know who you are. I was like, no, who
Speaker 1: are because you know I'm nice to everybody. You're the guy.
Speaker 1: You're the guy put them on and that that felt
Speaker 1: great to me because I'm like, damn when I'm not here.
Speaker 1: They talked like that, like, oh, you know, it's the guy,
Speaker 1: and I you know, I love that. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. That's what it's all. That's why it's so
Speaker 1: important for us to get you on the shop. I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously you injext relationship and amazing we've we've met him
Speaker 1: passing if we've seen you at the fight, but just
Speaker 1: who you are and what you stand for, I mean
Speaker 1: we respecting this. I mean it's to be what you've
Speaker 1: gone through and came out alive and made it, like
Speaker 1: you said, helping people, just sending that positive energy out
Speaker 1: especially and in these days, it's it's so we needed
Speaker 1: to appreciate it. Man, So we want to thank you.
Speaker 1: We're not done, but I'm just you know, it's harder though.
Speaker 1: It's harder though, meth to touch on. What's it's harder
Speaker 1: when you known, you're so publicly known and you're so
Speaker 1: praise for the bullshit you know what I'm saying, for
Speaker 1: for for being that that dawn that you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, and to be able to switch and and
Speaker 1: to change for the better knowing that's that's the betterment
Speaker 1: for you and your whole family. It's not easy, bro,
Speaker 1: because you getting praised. You know what I'm saying. You
Speaker 1: get praise for what supp us to put the bullshit long. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're known from that, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: to switch up for the betterment of yourself and not
Speaker 1: worried about the praise from it. That says a lot. Well,
Speaker 1: that's what it's all about, man blisting our people. You know,
Speaker 1: you out streets, you know what I'm saying. So it's
Speaker 1: it's all about the uplifting of people. And show these kids.
Speaker 1: You know, I have clothing stores in the middle of
Speaker 1: the hood about to open up another one, and you know,
Speaker 1: just to show these kids that you could make it
Speaker 1: about the hood, but you don't got to leave the hood.
Speaker 1: You could come back and pull people up or show
Speaker 1: them when I wear these jury it ain't to show
Speaker 1: you that I'm better than you is to inspire you
Speaker 1: to say, Dan, that's Joey from the Projects, he got it.
Speaker 1: I can get it. Why can I get it? Why
Speaker 1: do we have to live under these misconceptions that we
Speaker 1: can't get it, that we're not great? And when I say,
Speaker 1: I sit down with my guys, who they all rich,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie to you. They're all doing well, right,
Speaker 1: And I sit down with them and I say, you
Speaker 1: know why, I'm gonna do this and this and this
Speaker 1: and this. Now after all the ship we talked about,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this and this and this and this
Speaker 1: and this and watch. They'd be like, yo, you're crazy
Speaker 1: crack like you. I'm like, no, man, we got motherfucker's
Speaker 1: going to the fucking space. Now. Anything we do now,
Speaker 1: we're like not really doing it right. Like they flex
Speaker 1: the biggest They went to space. Motherfucker's in space flexing.
Speaker 1: Like we're like, yo, anything we do that, Oh you
Speaker 1: got another store? So what this guy with the space?
Speaker 1: But generate generation? That generating that wealth in our own neighborhoods,
Speaker 1: you know what, And that's what you're doing. And that's
Speaker 1: what a lot of people don't talk about you. Ain't
Speaker 1: like you can be from the hood. But bring that
Speaker 1: money back to your hood and start creating generational wealth
Speaker 1: in your own neighborhoods. The big power. And what I
Speaker 1: tell my employees is this is yours too. You're an owner.
Speaker 1: I don't want you working for me forever. I want
Speaker 1: to be able to help you get your own business.
Speaker 1: I want to be able to help you become a
Speaker 1: boss yourself. Shout shout out to our inherentson. Do it
Speaker 1: to oherentson killing them with the week? How special was
Speaker 1: the dog damn X? The dog you know DMX and
Speaker 1: pure soul? Uh? And through his whole life he was legend.
Speaker 1: Is so crazy man. Last night, I'm watching Rolling Loud
Speaker 1: right and and it's not shots at the Youth because
Speaker 1: I don't want I don't never want it to be shots.
Speaker 1: But I'm watching with my daughter Rolling Loud and uh,
Speaker 1: we're blasting it. We're watching it, and one of the
Speaker 1: biggest rappers in the world now, uh says, everybody, get ready,
Speaker 1: it's about to go down. I want you all to
Speaker 1: act up. It's gonna be crazy. And then he throws
Speaker 1: on this ship and he at the time and said
Speaker 1: even see tell even that, and I'm like, well, asked
Speaker 1: right there. In my day, that would have been a
Speaker 1: guy named DMX who said that. He would have said, stopped,
Speaker 1: show him down up. Motherfucker's would have hung off this
Speaker 1: died like, uh, you know you did that ship like
Speaker 1: you know you want a real mass fit, you want
Speaker 1: people when you want, you want My fucker's going crazy,
Speaker 1: honest with have said, shut him down, over honest with
Speaker 1: all thats HiT's trying to get alive. Fide you eat.
Speaker 1: Motherfucker's said, get ready for the most hardcore ship and
Speaker 1: they start singing ship, I don't want you want men due.
Speaker 1: I support the youth, support the ticket. I go with
Speaker 1: my daughter. I support the youth. I don't know what
Speaker 1: you know. So you asked me about DMX, it would
Speaker 1: have went down. It would have went down, like you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but rest in peace the dog the
Speaker 1: greatest I don't know if you pick this up, but
Speaker 1: the greatest funeral I ever seen. DMXS shout out to Swiss,
Speaker 1: the whole family, um, the city of New York for
Speaker 1: allowing d M actually drove his his call from from
Speaker 1: Yonker's to Brooklyn. If you're not from New York City.
Speaker 1: This was this was big like this, this was huge
Speaker 1: for them, locking down this whole city doing that. He
Speaker 1: had his funeral in Barkley's. Kanye West designed the ship
Speaker 1: like you know, they sent them out like nobody want
Speaker 1: to die, but we're all gonna die. But he died,
Speaker 1: and boy, they gave it up to him, you know,
Speaker 1: so shout out the dog man, Rest in peace. We
Speaker 1: also lost somebody just recently. Uh, Bis instrumental to the game,
Speaker 1: and that hurts big time because you know, when I
Speaker 1: was coming up like me and Stevie Business like me,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So Bis believed in me
Speaker 1: before I believed in me. And you know, he would
Speaker 1: come to my hood and and and and show me
Speaker 1: love and and I did the Apolo Biz came and
Speaker 1: and he's always been like a mentor man and Biz
Speaker 1: he just loved everybody. And my favorite hip hop song
Speaker 1: of all time is the Vapors because I grew up
Speaker 1: so poor, I wanted people to catch the vapors and
Speaker 1: I gave him the Vapors. And you know, with Biz,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know nobody who has a bad
Speaker 1: story about this. I've never seen a more perfect human being.
Speaker 1: And uh this ship that that that that that that man.
Speaker 1: I did some little kids ship man. When they told
Speaker 1: me he died, man, I just said, got up, started
Speaker 1: crying in the bathroom, and ship came back trying to
Speaker 1: come like I couldn't believe it, you know, and shout
Speaker 1: out to his wife. You know, I checked up on Biz.
Speaker 1: You know, you know while he as soon as he
Speaker 1: got sick last year, they said he was really really sick.
Speaker 1: I kept check calling his wife. Every time I called
Speaker 1: his wife, she was sitting right next to him in
Speaker 1: the hospital to COVID through everything, like Joe Biscuit, hear you,
Speaker 1: I'm right here, like you could randomly call up and
Speaker 1: she just right next to So Biz Biz died where
Speaker 1: his wife right next soon with the love I mean,
Speaker 1: we all don't want to die, but we at least
Speaker 1: we know he died loved, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: with a woman that held him down and kept him
Speaker 1: one thousand with you know what I'm saying, but business,
Speaker 1: you know, uh, for my era as a fan, you know,
Speaker 1: it's just hard man, and we we don't want to
Speaker 1: let him go, you know what I'm saying. That's the
Speaker 1: b ir Z and I said to him, I called him.
Speaker 1: We did uh hip hop squares in the l A
Speaker 1: and I called him and I was like, yo, bis
Speaker 1: A trapped him in the room after big him up legendary,
Speaker 1: It's like yo. It was was like, why do you
Speaker 1: show me love? Why you showed me love? And he
Speaker 1: was like, I just knew you was special. I knew
Speaker 1: you was gonna blow. I knew it was something about you, no,
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And then that that's when I thought of
Speaker 1: our brother, because you know everything Street sixty, you know,
Speaker 1: I think about French Montana. When French Montana was trying
Speaker 1: to get on how I took his music to High
Speaker 1: ninety seven because I knew he deserved it the funk flex.
Speaker 1: They started playing it. A couple of months later, he
Speaker 1: was a superstar. You know what I'm saying. I guess
Speaker 1: Bids saw that same thing and me. He was like, y'all,
Speaker 1: Joe gonna be you know when I didn't know, well,
Speaker 1: I didn't see it. You know. There's something that they
Speaker 1: do to me that bugs me out is every time
Speaker 1: I come out with it all the way up or crack.
Speaker 1: I knew you had it. I knew you was gonna
Speaker 1: give him another one. You always come. I'm like shit,
Speaker 1: how you know, because I ain't know, like I was
Speaker 1: busting my bubble praying for this joint, right, you know,
Speaker 1: and you know it's like that. I saw I saw
Speaker 1: an article and she said that when he his first
Speaker 1: got six and said Joe Carden checked on him almost
Speaker 1: every week and I would go back on deal Mix.
Speaker 1: I never met d M Mix but two weeks before
Speaker 1: he died. H I was an ice box jewelry and
Speaker 1: he walked in there and I got a tattoo, had
Speaker 1: a tattoo on him that says, my life ain't long.
Speaker 1: I thank God with my last breath, so my life
Speaker 1: ain't wrong. And I got that from him in two
Speaker 1: weeks and I never met him in two weeks now
Speaker 1: to get a chance because I was I was like
Speaker 1: a little kid, you know what I'm saying. When he
Speaker 1: walked up to me, knew I was not just sugar
Speaker 1: his hand, like what's up? Man? Say man, I'm a
Speaker 1: big fan. And I couldn't even what you want. I
Speaker 1: couldn't even think to say it to it right. But
Speaker 1: in two weeks later he died and I knew that
Speaker 1: would number God give me a chance to meet somebody
Speaker 1: who I looked up. Happens all the time. That happens
Speaker 1: all the time. You made several transitions from the streets
Speaker 1: to music, to family, to father to entrepreneur, businessman. What
Speaker 1: have you learned about this journey? It is never over, um,
Speaker 1: and we got to play this all the way out.
Speaker 1: And you only get one life and make it a
Speaker 1: special one. You know, some people settled when they live
Speaker 1: visible lives and they want they settled from mediocracy. That's
Speaker 1: not me, you know what I mean. I'm I said
Speaker 1: it to my brothers all the time. I am bugsy segue.
Speaker 1: I would have went to I would have went to
Speaker 1: the desert in Las Vegas and said, Yo, I can
Speaker 1: make a casino here. What is it? Man? What we do?
Speaker 1: We came already under doors, We came already not to
Speaker 1: supposed to win. What's what's wrong with trying? What what's wrong?
Speaker 1: We're going for it? Like you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: Like like what are we doing? You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: And so with life. You know, when it comes to fatherhood,
Speaker 1: kids are all different. They're different dna s, they're different parenting.
Speaker 1: I don't think nobody teaches you at a parent. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I think we just judge what
Speaker 1: our mothers and fathers did right or wrong, and we
Speaker 1: try to do the best we can. And so, uh,
Speaker 1: you know that's what that is. What's up coming towards
Speaker 1: the end, Um talk to us about you you had
Speaker 1: a little acting bug. Talk to us about getting on
Speaker 1: the big screen. What's that been like for you? Man?
Speaker 1: I did She's Gotta Have It two seasons. Shout out
Speaker 1: to Spike Lee for saving my life. Uh, I always
Speaker 1: knew he would. Um. You know, I like to act
Speaker 1: my whole life. I tell people I've been acting my
Speaker 1: whole life. I remember the time I walked into Relativity Records.
Speaker 1: I was a nineteen year old kid. They sat me
Speaker 1: down with ten Jewish guys around the table and I
Speaker 1: had to convince them why they should give me a dollar.
Speaker 1: And I'm from the Bronx. I was acting my assholes.
Speaker 1: I was sitting in there, well you know this this
Speaker 1: this So we always been acting. Now we just do
Speaker 1: it on the screen. You know, Night School, the movie Empire,
Speaker 1: a couple of nice school was crazy and that was
Speaker 1: nice school, believe it or not. Was hard. Work man,
Speaker 1: because yeah, because I really ain't have no juice there,
Speaker 1: you know, like him, I show up, I'm fat Joe
Speaker 1: the rapper. Right when you show up there, you're a worker.
Speaker 1: And and we was getting up at six in the morning, right,
Speaker 1: and we was outset and they will call me to
Speaker 1: do my scene at ten o'clock at night. So were
Speaker 1: in there for like fourteen hours doing not Wow. Then
Speaker 1: we do our seen when we're tired and everything where
Speaker 1: you gotta win, just you gotta yeah, you gotta use
Speaker 1: this jection, you gotta use this joint. Hey, you know, right,
Speaker 1: And then by the time you finish that, they take
Speaker 1: you to the hotel one two in the morning, you
Speaker 1: take a quick shower, they wake you back up at six.
Speaker 1: Let's row. We kept doing this shift for like two
Speaker 1: months every day. Then I couldn't complain. It's similar to y'all,
Speaker 1: if y'all play basketball now, you can't complain that Kobe's
Speaker 1: putting in the work. So I can't complain if Kevin
Speaker 1: Hart the biggest superstar in the world, it's doing the
Speaker 1: same for twenty hours every day. Hey, y'all, what's up?
Speaker 1: Oh you thought the movies was a joke? You want
Speaker 1: to go wrap. You want to go test the town. No,
Speaker 1: that's not what we're doing here. We're here, man. He
Speaker 1: had the flu, not the COVID. This is four years ago, right,
Speaker 1: rich You had the flu in the in the trailer
Speaker 1: killing him. He was in the trailer. And then I
Speaker 1: caught it at the end when when we finished that
Speaker 1: ship was crazy. Let me this, the outtakes and the
Speaker 1: jokes on set during the movie set was better than
Speaker 1: the set. Yeah yeah, yeah. Then they bucked out. They
Speaker 1: made it a PG thirteen movie and made a hunted million.
Speaker 1: So I understand the business concept, but had they let
Speaker 1: the curses and the real shift, that would have been
Speaker 1: one of the greatest movies. An I got a chance
Speaker 1: to work with Kevin Hard I think like a man,
Speaker 1: So all the outtakes and ships and ship, he just
Speaker 1: normally like he is. It took us like two and
Speaker 1: a half hour to shoot like a two minute basketball
Speaker 1: to thirty second basketball scene. Like he was talking joke,
Speaker 1: he could really play two can shift there everyone jumping
Speaker 1: on people just being crazy, Like the energy was crazy
Speaker 1: the whole entire time. So you said, you know, the
Speaker 1: social media is a young man's game. You started your
Speaker 1: product your your show kind of based off just going
Speaker 1: on I g Live every night and talking and you know,
Speaker 1: I was tuning in and then now you turn that
Speaker 1: into the Fat Joe Show. Talked to us just about
Speaker 1: your thought process of getting that started. What has been
Speaker 1: like for you. Let's started with my boss was behind
Speaker 1: the cameras. She's always is my daughter as he as.
Speaker 1: We were scared to death because of COVID. I'm telling
Speaker 1: you the truth. I'm one of the guys that was
Speaker 1: really scared to death. The epicenter was in New York City.
Speaker 1: People were dying. People I grew up when we were
Speaker 1: dying every day for them. I'm in no disrespect the
Speaker 1: cameraman's I knew from New York. They were dying like everybody.
Speaker 1: The security at the clubs, they were all dying, like
Speaker 1: just dying and dying. We see people every day, but
Speaker 1: we don't know they got underlying conditions. In my line,
Speaker 1: like the security, everybody they coming yo shahn, this one died,
Speaker 1: this one, this one every day. So I'm in the
Speaker 1: house terrified because fat guys were done. So I'm sitting
Speaker 1: there like this and said, damn, they're gonna finish me.
Speaker 1: They're finishing me. No, not real talk. I said, they
Speaker 1: found the way, bro, I said, damn, and the God
Speaker 1: got me out of the invisible, the invisible uh enemy right.
Speaker 1: And then uh, my daughter was like, why don't you
Speaker 1: go on live? I had never really went on live before.
Speaker 1: I was like, what you mean? She was like, YO,
Speaker 1: just talked to the fans. So I went on live
Speaker 1: and everybody, just thousands of fans came and they was
Speaker 1: asking for We was talking. And then the next day,
Speaker 1: at eight o'clock at night, Dre was like, yo, what's up?
Speaker 1: No fat Joe char I said, what you're talking about?
Speaker 1: He was like, yesterday that ship was dope. So the
Speaker 1: next day I go on there eight o'clock, same time,
Speaker 1: and then more of our friends start jumping on it
Speaker 1: and more. This ship was just getting out of control.
Speaker 1: One day I had Mike Tyson. The ship was like
Speaker 1: ad but everybody was stuck home and they wanted to uh,
Speaker 1: they wanted to talk or something. So it was like,
Speaker 1: who's that, Oh Joe got something? Everybody you could think of,
Speaker 1: what Patti Labell, whoever you want? Was up all that
Speaker 1: month just coming boom boom boom, and it turned into
Speaker 1: the big, big, show, and then we we wanted to
Speaker 1: make sure, uh it was always about positive about up
Speaker 1: lift man about you know, we we didn't had the
Speaker 1: King of Domestic Violence on there, that everything, doctors, everybody
Speaker 1: who can help you with what was going on because
Speaker 1: none of us knew this happened. Your man Andrew Yang's
Speaker 1: up there and going to Corey book and they're going
Speaker 1: for president. Tolkd about vote for me on the show.
Speaker 1: One night, Michelle Obama was in the comments. I almost fainted.
Speaker 1: She's like, hey, fat Joe, how are you guys? And
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, ship, like this is going down. I've
Speaker 1: been on that ye, yes, even even I've been on
Speaker 1: ye hey man, quick hitters. First thing to come to mind.
Speaker 1: Let us know five top five in your opinion New
Speaker 1: York artists, New York artists horrible. I should have did
Speaker 1: the Bronx non no, but that the hard is a
Speaker 1: horrible question. World have been easier. But top five New
Speaker 1: York rappers. Man, that's hard, that's that's rock Kim, that's
Speaker 1: nas As, Jay is Biggie And I'm gonna put punt
Speaker 1: in there. Now, give me five your top five all time,
Speaker 1: all time? What would be? What would big l be
Speaker 1: in that big girls in there. You know that's my man.
Speaker 1: He's you know, people don't understand. It's so crazy. Fat
Speaker 1: Joe's digging in the crates with Big Al and I'm
Speaker 1: Terror Squad with Big Punt. This is not easy to
Speaker 1: be rapping with these guys on songs like. These guys
Speaker 1: are like the elite level, Big Yellow be there like
Speaker 1: uh top I say, from ten to fifteen. To be
Speaker 1: honest with you, you know what I'm saying, because he
Speaker 1: died too young. I mean lyrically he was. He was
Speaker 1: a beast beast beast beast peace. But we're talking about
Speaker 1: the whole thing. I mean, I'll stick with my same
Speaker 1: um at the same five. I told you that's how
Speaker 1: I feel today. If you could have one message on
Speaker 1: the billboard, what would it be? Believe in yourself. That's something.
Speaker 1: Believe in yourself. I believe in yourself. Man, who else
Speaker 1: gonna believe me? If you don't top five New York
Speaker 1: athletes the grades of the grades. Uh listen, man, somebody
Speaker 1: was gets a bad rapper was incredible with step On
Speaker 1: more Berry. Step On was one of the greatest stories
Speaker 1: in New York history. Starberry, Starberry, we got Starberry. Uh,
Speaker 1: we got Carmelo, We got Starberry, we got Karmelo, Mark Jackson,
Speaker 1: Roder Strickland. Um. I want to say say Kwan Barkley,
Speaker 1: but he didn't really do much because he's been hurt.
Speaker 1: That's one thing I hate man injuries in sports, right, great,
Speaker 1: Like that's actually a part of it, right, Like when
Speaker 1: you signed up, you know I'm gonna get hurt. Somebody's
Speaker 1: get hurt. Not you, but somebody. It's horrible, like like
Speaker 1: Richards into football. Every game I see four guys break
Speaker 1: their knees. I want to know how the hell this happens? Like,
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen? Like there is normal to the coach.
Speaker 1: Gotta keep coaching. You see a guy for you know,
Speaker 1: I was in San Antonio. I don't think he was there.
Speaker 1: I was there and I went to see Tony Parker,
Speaker 1: and I forget what was that player When he went
Speaker 1: up to dull he fell on his back. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure he made it. He played for sant Antonio. Y'all
Speaker 1: don't remember who I'm talking about. There was a player
Speaker 1: from San Antonio. I was at the game courtside. He
Speaker 1: went for dunk. He felt like on his neck head
Speaker 1: that they took him out of the stretcher and the
Speaker 1: coach gotta still coach like, hey, all right, go ahead,
Speaker 1: Matt Barnes like like that ship is crazy to be
Speaker 1: Like the injuries they mess up the game man, right,
Speaker 1: It's like you'd be like, wow, the other team, like
Speaker 1: you gotta take advantage of it. No, no, no, that's
Speaker 1: that's a goal. Like you see all I want to
Speaker 1: see P three to win the chip the o g
Speaker 1: you know, and then remember he had the COVID ship
Speaker 1: of stuff. I hate that ship, man. I hate when
Speaker 1: when when players get injuries. Man, I don't know why,
Speaker 1: but it is. I realized it's a part of the game,
Speaker 1: Like they pay them to get hurt. Like that's part
Speaker 1: of it. You know you're gonna get hurt and you
Speaker 1: gotta sit down. There's nothing you can do. You're sitting there,
Speaker 1: you're inside, and everybody goes through it. Top five Top
Speaker 1: five favorite NY films Bronx, Tail the Warriors, Uh, Bronze,
Speaker 1: tell the Warriors, I'm gonna go. Uh, I'm going real
Speaker 1: old school. Um oh, don't forget one. Do the right thing.
Speaker 1: Spright Lee, King of New York and New Jack City
Speaker 1: to nah, an honorary mention because we watch it every
Speaker 1: night in the studio. Belly Belly was an underrated movie.
Speaker 1: Belly was an underrated movie that years later you're like, yo,
Speaker 1: this ship was five Yeah, five dinner guests that are alive,
Speaker 1: five dinner that are a lot well, you know, whenever
Speaker 1: you give me a dinner that or a lot of
Speaker 1: I'm gonna mention part I'm gonna mention Biggie might as
Speaker 1: well have pop up in that motherfucker. Uh. Luther Van Joys,
Speaker 1: you know, uh, and Michael Jackson right there right probably
Speaker 1: want the best answers we even had. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: good one. If we can have one game, you can
Speaker 1: have one guest on All the Smoke? Who would it be?
Speaker 1: But you have to help us get your answer on
Speaker 1: the show you mentioned you mentioned like three a great gimmick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got a great gimmick. I don't know this guy,
Speaker 1: but it would be amazing to have Dr dre on there.
Speaker 1: I don't I know him like you, I can't really
Speaker 1: hook you up. But if you add Dr Drake, you know,
Speaker 1: there's certain guys who have kept this mystique to him
Speaker 1: where we hear about them, the stories the game might
Speaker 1: say or stories that a cube, but somebody might say,
Speaker 1: but Dr Dre himself, I don't think I've ever seen
Speaker 1: that in depth. I haven't either interview with Dr Dre
Speaker 1: talking about what he met eminem for the first time
Speaker 1: when he met Nick Lamart easy. I never heard Dr
Speaker 1: Dre say it himself. Dog. And we've got a lot
Speaker 1: of shows, Joe. We're coming up on our Hunters show
Speaker 1: pretty soon. But I have to say this is hands down,
Speaker 1: been one of the best ones man. So of course
Speaker 1: it was early birthday too. We're looking good. God shining
Speaker 1: on them, man. Thank You's wrap fat Joe, all the smoke.
Speaker 1: Don't forget you for the beautiful man in your life.
Speaker 1: Pretty boy, missed. I got something. I got something for
Speaker 1: you too. I got some talking. You're fucking with us
Speaker 1: talking breaking brad Man. We love you, talko man. Thank
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