1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. Welcome 3 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:26,319 Speaker 1: back to All the Smoke out here in beautiful New York. Jack. 4 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: What's happening with you, man, I'm, you know, feeling good 5 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: on the high, looking good. I'm doing a lot. I'm 6 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: feeling good. She was nice. Thank you, she was nice. 7 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:39,520 Speaker 1: Appreciate it, man, I don't lose nice. She's nice across 8 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: the board, the store up in ye in New York 9 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: City through today. I'm coming to sooner. Got all your 10 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: four teens, put them on the side for me, all 11 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: right now, we got the one and only call a 12 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: Gina and introduce you man. My brother and my family 13 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: and somebody who showed me love from the first show 14 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: I was in the NBA. Made me feel like family, 15 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: The one and only Joey Crack appreciate. I appreciate y'all. 16 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: And so to elaborate because people think I just talk ship. 17 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: But your first year in the NBA, you had a 18 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: ten dade contract and then they kept extending it like 19 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: five six times. But you was with us. You know 20 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And we've you know, I've been so 21 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: proud of him, you know, moving on to San Antonio 22 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: and winning chips and getting the bag. But you know, 23 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 1: we know the birth of Stevie Jack. So any first 24 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: of all, no disrestracts you. It's the realist NBA player. 25 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: That's my Stevie Jack. That's how you know family. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 26 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: you know he's the realist NBA player. Ever when it 27 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: comes to that former street ship, right, and so because 28 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: you Muslim, you, I'm den alt see you all in 29 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: the temples. Now I see you in there, so we 30 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: gotta say formally, right, and so he comes in the game. 31 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. We loved him to death 32 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,959 Speaker 1: and we just became families since since day one. And 33 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 1: shout out to Steph Maulbury for introducing us. No, I'm 34 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: excited cause I've been hearing stories. Something can't be told, 35 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 1: something can be So we're gonna get to it. But 36 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,519 Speaker 1: before we get going, Jack, I forgot bro I got 37 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: something for you. Oh I've been in my bag when 38 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:30,959 Speaker 1: I went to the bathround forgot about it for you. 39 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: This has awakening spray. But this is really called pretty boy. Miss. 40 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 1: This wakes you up. I'm not been fainting for this. 41 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: You know you never seeing Jerry Carol Hollywood shop when 42 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: he lost his activating That's how I felt. Let me 43 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: get another and give me a couple of sprints one time, 44 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 1: one time for you know what it is though, this 45 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: is Awakening Spray. I need to know where the guys 46 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: that the signs, the checks for this is my company. 47 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, man at the store near you finding that target, 48 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: you can find it that target and Hugh for every 49 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: Man dot com. And we got men we got when 50 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 1: I go. When I put in my hair, when I 51 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: washed my hair with what I shaved with, you see 52 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: what Jack does. It has awakeness prey, but I call 53 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: it pretty boy missed. He has got his girl said 54 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: he's gotten a handsomer since he started using that ship, 55 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: so he did. I could grow my hair back with 56 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: with you. I don't know if you're not making that, 57 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: you're not making that. I wouldn't want to lie to you, Joe, 58 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: I wouldn't you anyway, Let's let's get to it. Man, 59 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: New York. When you think New York, you know you're 60 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: one of the first name to come up. Tell me 61 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: about your upbringing. Wow, I grew up in the Bronx 62 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: hip hop was created Birst and you know some people 63 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: some places and that some people some the place race. 64 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: So there's uptown Bronx, there's the West, there's a I 65 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: was just born in the South Bronx where hip hop 66 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: was created. So Mellie Mel I would watch grand Master Flat. 67 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: My brother was a great boy for grand Master Flash 68 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: ms the Nest like, so all these people were around 69 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: my neighborhood for real love Bucks, Star Ski and I 70 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: would watch and play baby kids seven years old, eight 71 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: years old. First Latino rapper ever was in a Fantastic five. 72 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: His name was Ruby D. So I used to watch 73 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: him and his brothers. They used to play softball. They 74 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: was nice. They diving on concrete Goose the real port 75 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: of regions that dive on concrete. And so you know, 76 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: I was that blessed to grow up love and hip 77 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: hop just as a fan, and just to watch the 78 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: evolution of hip hop over the years is mind blowing. 79 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 1: Obviously music came later in your life, but you know, 80 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: you you hit the streets of the fourteen Road up 81 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: to No Good. Talk to us about that and how 82 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: that transitioned you there, what you learned on that, Well, 83 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: I was in the streets since I was born. So 84 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,359 Speaker 1: I grew up in the rustiest projects in the Bronx, 85 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: and ship was gladiated school from kindergarten up right. And 86 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 1: they really ain't had no you know. I had hair 87 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 1: like the beetles and green eyes, not real talk. And 88 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: I grew up in the nine Black neighborhood, so I 89 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: had to go hard since birth, like you know, and 90 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: and and so it's always been gladiated school as soon 91 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: as I had fourteen. I can't discredit my mother, my father, 92 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 1: you know, they were all hard working, you know, but 93 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: I wanted more. And you know, I wanted to fly kicks. 94 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: I wanted to fly outfits. I wanted the chicks. I 95 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 1: wanted all a lot. So you know, in fourteen years old, 96 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,919 Speaker 1: I left my house and the very next day I 97 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: started hustling, you know what I'm saying. But I just 98 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: knew I didn't want to be broke. I knew that 99 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: one million percent. I said, look, I don't want to 100 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 1: still fit E's line, but he got the best line. 101 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 1: It was like get rich or died trying. And and 102 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 1: I just knew for some reason in my DNA that 103 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,479 Speaker 1: I wasn't born to be broke. I don't even know 104 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: how to explained it to you. Like I remember I 105 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: used to stay out my window twelve years old, like, yo, 106 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,559 Speaker 1: I'm tired of this broke ship like this, this ain't 107 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: for me. And you know, so I hit the streets 108 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: ninety two, you hit music. What obviously you told us 109 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: what you're around growing up, But what was a pivotal 110 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: moment from that street life to like, okay, I'm give 111 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: this a shot. Well, you know, I was hustling big 112 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: at this time, like big, right, no, like big like 113 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: not like these guys like the real ship, right, And 114 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: uh then they made up a lower corda Rico logan 115 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: and they started snatching sixty guys, fifty guys, the whole 116 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: crewise like have you. It was like, Yo, the Claremont 117 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,799 Speaker 1: Boys they're going down. The Treatmont boy is going down. 118 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: The Cypher's boys just went down, honey. Seventy eight of 119 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: them got locked up that this this and all this 120 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: ship is happening. And I'm like, holy sh it, we're 121 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: going to jail forever or you know. And of course 122 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: you got the die factor. And then Diamond D. I 123 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: grew up with Diamond. I used to write graffiti with 124 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: him digging in the Crazy Crew shoutout dr TC. He 125 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: was like, yo, Joe, man, let me pay for the 126 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: studio or somebody. I know you like to wrap put 127 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: your life on the music. So we went to the studio. 128 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: We came up with the demo which became Flow Joe. 129 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: I went to Apollo Theater Amateur nited Apolo. So to 130 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: tell you the truth that that when I did Amateur Nite, 131 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: it must have been the drug Dealer's ball and my 132 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: Lione Rich and why, like any serious hustling street they 133 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: was in the village. Joe, He's gonna rap. And so 134 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: I came in first a couple of weeks and that's 135 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: where I met Red Alert and uh he played my demo, 136 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: which later on turned into Flow Joe. That turned into 137 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: the number one song in the country. And you know, 138 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: we we never looked back the day I quit the 139 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: drug game. I never I didn't care. I never got 140 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: involved with anything like like the Cinderella movie. Before. I 141 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,239 Speaker 1: was always rapping. Since I was like ten twelve years old, 142 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: I was like spitting that diamond. Knew I spit, but 143 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: he was like, yo, bro, you're gonna die here. You're 144 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: gonna go to jail forever. Here here, just tell your story, 145 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: you know, and shout out to a lady man from 146 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: my building. Her name was Miss Burger, Jeffrey Burger's mom. 147 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: So she would tell me this all the time. She'd 148 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: be like, Yo, God got bigger things for you, Joey, 149 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: you ain't supposed to be out here. Whild I'm like this, 150 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: like please like And you know, it was the music. 151 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: It was hip hop, So what was the vibe and 152 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: the energy like in New York at the time, you 153 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: transitioning from hustling fresh into the music game, you hit 154 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: and go what's the energy like? So for me, you know, 155 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: I grew up with with a life of violence. So 156 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 1: I woke up every day for the smoke, right every 157 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: day when I left out that not all of it. 158 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: I was doing the smoke like I was applying the smoke. 159 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 1: I don't care about life pretty much. And so when 160 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: I when I became a rapper, there was two things. 161 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: There was guys that were scared to death for me 162 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: almost let's just say shig knightish guys was like yo, 163 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: this guy like Steve Riftin, you know, when I went 164 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: to bring big pun to him, he said he had 165 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: nine phone calls from the industry telling them, yo, this 166 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: guy's will killer extortionism, Like yo, don't meet with him, 167 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: don't put him in the game, because you got a 168 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 1: lot of guys acting like the gangster. And then they 169 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: didn't want this guy to get up there if he 170 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: abuses the power the wrong way. Actually it was the opposite. 171 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: When I got in the game, I was trying so 172 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: much to show people I'm a nice guy. I tuned 173 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: it all the way down where I was like, yo, 174 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: yo yo, because when people are scared of you, they 175 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: don't want to break brad with you. They don't want 176 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: to create a monster, nothing like that. So I actually 177 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: toned it down when I got in the rap game. 178 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,079 Speaker 1: Going back to what you said about the lady, she 179 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: must have saw something that you're seeing yourself at the 180 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: time to tell you that she knew. There was a 181 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: lot of people who saw stuff in me that I 182 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: ain't see. When that rest in peace, Chris Lidy. When 183 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: he came he came to my spot, he's I signed 184 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: in the middle of the street. That's why when you 185 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: know people who really want to make it, whether I 186 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,719 Speaker 1: mean it's not educated to sign a record contract, a 187 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: recording contract with no attorney. But when you want to 188 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 1: pout the streets that bad, you will fucking sign. So 189 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: when Chris Lidy came and said, Yo, I think you 190 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: could be a rapper. You you could be, I was like, Yo, 191 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: signed now, and I was just showing everybody in my contract, Yo, 192 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: I signed, I'm gonna fish you. You know I'm gonna 193 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: be a rapper. And you know I was that nobody 194 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: believed it. They were like, yo, Joey, I remember everybody, 195 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: God bless him all who did twenty years and better 196 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 1: laughing at me when I told him I'm gonna be 197 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: a rapper, and these are my friends, and I'll be like, yo, 198 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: I'm a be wrapping they I'm like, oh man, you're 199 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:06,599 Speaker 1: playing yourself right. So your celebrity in your neighborhood. But 200 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: what's it like when you start getting that world eyes 201 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: on you and it's not just Joey from here? Now 202 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: is the world starts? My first whole album was about 203 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: the four Corners. We had never left nowhere. There was 204 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 1: no social media. You know, we're talking about the time 205 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: there was no social media. This is what what? What years? 206 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: There's a broke kid right now in New Orleans or 207 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: the Bronx that could actually see us in mansions and 208 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: be like, oh ship, I could do that right. We 209 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: didn't never see that, so it was like all we 210 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: knew was the four Corners and let's wrap out block Yo. 211 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: I'm Fat Joe from the Projects. I don't give a 212 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: funk whatever this this that it wasn't too. I went 213 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: on my first promo to or to l a and 214 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: and I just happened to be in the crowd for 215 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 1: City Hall shout out to all stretch DJs stressed for 216 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: stretching Barbitro. He invited me to the City of horse Show. 217 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: He was a guest DJ, and we're sitting in the 218 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: crowd our CEOs like god, you know what I'm saying. 219 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: And we're sitting in the crowd and out of nowhere, 220 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: he's like, Yo, I got my main man in the house. 221 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: He got the hottest song out, Fat Joe. I was like, what, Yo, 222 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: come down Joe. And then I performed on our cdeo. 223 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: I quit the whole promo tour and came back that night. 224 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 1: I came back to New York like couldn't like I 225 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: had made it, Like everybody saw me the whole country. 226 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 1: That was my first big moment of the whole country 227 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 1: acknowledging me. You know what I'm saying, Who was your influencers? 228 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: That's hip hop? The biggest My biggest influences was Heavy 229 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: D for being confident, for being a big, big man, 230 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 1: fly dressing, fly the ladies man h l O who 231 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: j ll coo j Uh still is uh someone that 232 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: I look up to in the spy of the beat. 233 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: I mean, if you talk about a person who's been 234 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: excellent role model for hip hop music, it's LLL cool J. 235 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 1: I don't feel like no man, he's one of the 236 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: greatest way he's a goat. And so the fact that 237 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: he got his wife, he got his family, you know 238 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I've always looked up to him. You know, 239 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,439 Speaker 1: I've been my wife twenty six years, so we we 240 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: we look up to them. And of course Caress wanted 241 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 1: being from the Bronx. Nobody rocks the show like Carrerass. 242 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: Nobody's more lyrical than Caress. So that's really the gunboat 243 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: that created Fat Joe. Those street players right there, When 244 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: did you run across uh biggie? And what kind of 245 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: relationship did y'all have? I have flowed you out, and 246 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: uh Big goes up to this place called the lyricis Lounge, 247 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: puffies with him. It's the same puff Daddy Puff. Daddy 248 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,359 Speaker 1: wasn't rich, but he was the same puff that he 249 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: he kept that energy, that same energy. Right, So Biggie's 250 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 1: up there in the lyricist lounge. I'm already flow, Joe's 251 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: already out. I'm walking around my vinyl trying to give 252 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: it to the DJ so they could play it. Back 253 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: in the days, you couldn't just press play and everybody 254 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: got it. You had that. It was word of mouth, 255 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: hand delivered. And so I'm sitting in the crowding. Biggie's 256 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 1: just battling like ten different killing them all. And he 257 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: had a backpack on the puff kept going, I'm telling y'all, 258 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: y'all can't funk with my man. Y'all can't. And that 259 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: that's how I met Big. So Big was like, oh 260 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: ship you Flow Joe, you fat Joe. I was like, 261 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: what's up? Man? I actually booked them because on this 262 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: my side hustle besides wrapping, because money making money rapping 263 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: was like seasonal when you're not really big. So it's 264 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: like you put a record out, you make a lot 265 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: of money than them other months. You slow. So I 266 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: used to throw parties, like promote parties. So I had 267 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: booked Biggie for his first show ever. Yeah, it was 268 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: at the Fever and and and you know what, nine 269 00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: two nine three nine three, Biggi's first show ever, crazy 270 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: and the FLI says, party and bullshit and all that, 271 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: and then we became tight ever since then I got 272 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: I knew he was gonna be big, and that's where 273 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: he was still underground. I just was like, Yo, this 274 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: guy he's special. And then me and him was tight. 275 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: I'll tell y'all some ship. Me and him was tight. 276 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: And I remember when he met jay Z because he stopped. 277 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: Me and Big used to talk every day. He said, Yo, man, 278 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: it's this guy. He's nice. I've been hanging out with him. 279 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: His name is jay Z. That boy nice. I ain't 280 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: gonna lie to you. That's on everything. I never said 281 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: that in the interview. Um, he definitely. I remember when 282 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: he met jay Z and he was hanging out with 283 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: him every day. He was like, oh, I'm with jay yo. 284 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: This is that. So he saw what I saw on him. 285 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: He saw that ship jay Z. Immediately, you know what 286 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: I'm saying, so, how did you guys relationship continue to 287 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: grow through it? I mean, obviously you're established now. He's 288 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: a great, great story, no Biggie. To this day, there's 289 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: nobody's career that has went more viral than Biggie Smalls. 290 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: Biggie Smalls went from wearing an army jacket to the 291 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: next day we'recking the Tuck Salmon tuxedo with gators and 292 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: the fur on and going number one, two and three. 293 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: We never seen no ship like this, Like overnight, he 294 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: went from Biggie Smalls to the notorious virg number two, 295 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: two and three Brooklyn. We did it like that'sh It 296 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: happened like him, right, And so we know because we're 297 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: in in the situation of power that a lot of 298 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: times people's opinions, we at least perceived that people's opinions 299 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: change on us because we got success or status. So 300 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: I'm even guilty of that. When Biggie was like number one, 301 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: two or three, I remember walking up to a Vibe 302 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: party and um, I just seemed like two hundred people 303 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: around the one truck and I ain't know as that 304 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: and when I seen it, it was Biggie standing on 305 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: the truck and me myself, jose Car the Gena myself. 306 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: Looking at that, I was like, I'm not gonna go 307 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 1: over there. He probably changed. And Biggie sees me right 308 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 1: at the movie yo, yo, I go over there. So 309 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: then he grabs a little kim. She was with him. 310 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 1: He was like, what the funk we've been playing all day? 311 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:21,959 Speaker 1: What we've been playing all week? My new album had dropped, 312 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:24,360 Speaker 1: my second album, jealous on. She was like, your album, 313 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 1: it's like you got that avoid You're killing him now, 314 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: you know. I was like, damn, he ain't never changed 315 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: all that. Yeah, he ain't changed. That's one for you 316 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 1: know that York, New York. That's the one to tell 317 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: the story about when I got locked up and said, 318 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: you set the kite for him? Be clear that story 319 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 1: Muta told. The story was pox right here, man, and 320 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: who was Napoleon's Napoleon? I had never said that story 321 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 1: in twenty something years. Fat Joe never leaked that story. 322 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: It's a true story. And so what happened was East coast, 323 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: West coast. Big he's my man. And to be honest 324 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 1: with you, you know, they were really get I want 325 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: to use my words correctly. Let's just say, the West 326 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:29,880 Speaker 1: Coast was like leaning on New York like like like 327 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: really leaning on New York like hard. The pressure was 328 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: legendary in the New York rappers, you know, they just 329 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,479 Speaker 1: wasn't really coming back at them like that, and they 330 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:43,400 Speaker 1: were just violating, like doing crazy ship. I don't talk 331 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: about type of ship going on, right. And so I'm 332 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 1: in the radio one day and they asked me the question, yo, Joe, 333 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:52,959 Speaker 1: what you think about Tupac and all I said, Yo, 334 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 1: He's cool, but you know, if they stepped to me, 335 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: it's gonna be some ship. So I said that on 336 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: the radio, not knowing Tupac's locked up upstate in New York. 337 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: The Puerto Ricans here that Bobby got beef with fact 338 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: Joel Yo, yo, no, no that, And then we were 339 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: still in the street hard. So I said that in 340 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 1: an interview, you gotta be careful your words to really 341 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 1: create problems. So then I get on the phone call. 342 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 1: I get a phone call from Great Nice, who pretty 343 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: much put me in the game. One of my brothers. 344 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: He said, your Joe, I got pocked. On the other line, 345 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 1: I was like pop, So I pick up and in Tupac. 346 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: I don't want to elaborate too much, guys. But what 347 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: I'm saying is Tupac was like, Yo, these Puerto Ricans 348 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: is on me, like you said something in the radio. 349 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: I don't got a problem with you, Joe like this, 350 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: I know what's up this is. And so you know, 351 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: we sent the kite out to the Puerto Ricans and 352 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: be like na, na, na, na, na, this ain't about that. 353 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 1: Don't that not on the strength of me. Don't do that. 354 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: And then they wind up being real tight with Tupac 355 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 1: and then holding them down in there. That's how that 356 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 1: came about. But be clear, y'all. I know I talk 357 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 1: a lot of ship. I talk a lot of ship, 358 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: and I never told that story in twentysomething yus, you know, 359 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: because now we gotta be careful with podcasting, the cloud chasing, 360 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: like it's crazy out there. So outside of that experience 361 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: with him, after he's out, I knew. I knew Tupac 362 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: Tupac the realist rapper ever, but really the fat Joe, 363 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 1: he's the one. Right when I met Tupac, we was 364 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: in uh Atlanta. It was me Wu Tang, a couple 365 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,679 Speaker 1: of people freestyle it in front of check the rapper 366 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: and the dude comes up with a red band Danna 367 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: and two guns in his hand. That's how I met 368 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 1: Tupacs to Colleen Jackson for real life Stevie Jackson and 369 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: so and so, I'm like, you know, I'm standing there 370 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: trying to act like you know what suck? You know 371 00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: it is what it is, but I don't know who 372 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: the funk this is with two guns. So he's like, yo, crack, 373 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: what's up. I'm like, yo, suck and he was like 374 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: it's me, He's pop. Yeah. This ship he was at 375 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: that COVID a long time ago. There won COVID. He 376 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: pulled ship down. It was like Tupac. That's how I 377 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 1: met Tupac. Every single time I saw a Tupac to Corps, 378 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: he was in violence, if it was beating up the bootleggers, 379 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 1: if it was chasing the DJ it was. I would 380 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,360 Speaker 1: see Tupac in the club like you just running up, Yo, Joe, 381 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: pull out a gun. Yo, you've seen such and such 382 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 1: like crazy and no I did not see such like 383 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: my brother and he's out. So yeah, I met Tupac 384 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: a bunch of times. But Big, let's be clear, Big 385 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 1: was my brother, right right right, So transcended from those 386 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: two legends. Let's go to your man. Pun talked about 387 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: that relationship with what's your brother Big Pun different? You 388 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, e Pun was the brother I 389 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 1: never had, the little brother I never had, and I 390 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: was the big brother he never had. And so when 391 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: I met him rapping, I knew he was the best 392 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 1: in the game and I and I wanted to be 393 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: the Puerto Rican puff Daddy. And I saw what they 394 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:16,640 Speaker 1: did with Big with my own eyes, so I wanted 395 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: to And so I was like, yo. And so the 396 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 1: first second I met Punt, he was telling me ship 397 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 1: that none of us would be talking about. He sat 398 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 1: in the car, he was like, Yo, you're gonna be 399 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 1: my big brother, yo, this and this and that, and 400 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: he was just telling me everything about his family is upbringing, 401 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: being homeless. This just a lot of ill ship. I 402 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: come from the street before I started rapping, so unfortunately, 403 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: the streets taught me to never trust nobody. So I'm 404 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: sitting next to Punt and I'm like, why the funk 405 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 1: this guy's telling me all this ship, Like why is 406 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: he trusting me like this? You know? And uh, and 407 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: and then I realized it's almost like when you get 408 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 1: your wife. You know what I mean? Guys tell a woman, yo, 409 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: you're gonna be my wife, and then they already know 410 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: you already press a button in your brain, like you know, 411 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: you stopped smoking weed for three months and you never 412 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: thought you You're like fun that him the lot, I'm 413 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: stopping this ship. So it's the same thing. So in 414 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: Pun's mind, he was like, oh no, I got him, 415 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: Joe Cracks my big brother. I'm rolling with him, so 416 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna lay it out for him so he could 417 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: know what's my problem? Why? You know why I want 418 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 1: to do this. Everybody needs to know that why in life. 419 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: He knew his why. It's like they shipped on me 420 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 1: and shipped on me, left me for dad. For him, 421 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 1: Pum was probably like, uh, nineteen, I was trying like 422 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, and you know, but I was already 423 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: Joe Crack, I'm finishing my second album. I took him 424 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: to the studio that night and he jumped on the album. 425 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: I stopped my whole career to put the energy behind 426 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: Punt and use every relationship I ever made in the 427 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,719 Speaker 1: MU music business to make sure that Punt blew up. 428 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 1: Because I knew the world needed to hear punt, and 429 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: so you know we got like white Cliffs. Jon had 430 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: just sold thirty million records. I pulled that favor from Joe, 431 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 1: the singer just went number one Drake numbers at the time, 432 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: like he just did five hundred thousand. I was, you know, 433 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: every favor I could pull, I pulled it for for Punt. 434 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 1: People were like, oh, it's for you, No, no, no, 435 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 1: it's from my artists. They never even met him. And 436 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: I was like, na, no, no, he'd one he gonna blow. 437 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 1: And I knew that he was just gonna open the 438 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: doors for us, almost like I see Rich here and 439 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 1: the football says the guy that does this running back 440 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: run stid So that that's how we ran with it. 441 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,439 Speaker 1: How important was it to represent the Latin community at 442 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: the time, But we always Latino, you know what I'm saying. 443 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: I'm Puerto Rican and Cuban. Shout out to Cuba Coo. 444 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 1: I leave with it and said, we always Latino and 445 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 1: were always proud to be Latino. But um I got 446 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 1: in this game, you know, to be Philippino, on be Jamaican, 447 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: be black and white. You know what I'm saying. I 448 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: made this music for everybody Punt made this music for everybody, 449 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: always representing the culture, but for the world, making this 450 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: music for everybody because music is the is the universe 451 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: music and sports is the university. We probably sat next 452 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 1: to Confederate Flaggers at the game and high five them 453 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: when they Rod hit the home run. Yo, And it's 454 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 1: the troph that's the only thing that brings everybody together. 455 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 1: So music, I was conscious of being a loutino representing 456 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 1: a lot of things of what we was doing, but 457 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: always it was for everybody because that's how you grew up. Yeah, 458 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: that's what everybody so you know, that's how That's how 459 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 1: we always approached it. You No, Punt never liked your 460 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 1: you're nice for a Latino MC. That was the one 461 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: thing you could say to him to kill his whole 462 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: vibe in one second. Yo, you're nice for a Latino 463 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: him like lights for a lot too. You don't ask 464 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: Stevie wonder if he's nice for a being like you know, 465 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 1: he's serious about that ship like you know. So we 466 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: made music for everybody. Man, So I'm such a fan 467 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 1: of this era of music. You mentioned puff and you 468 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: said that's what you tried to be for Pun talk 469 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: to us about your experience with Puff and what you 470 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: took from seeing him early on, because he's a monster, 471 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: not taking smarter than everybody. He was smarter than everybody. 472 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: And I asked him when we alone, you know what 473 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: I'm saying. Then in the middle of the COVID he 474 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: made me come see him. And this when I was 475 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: staying home. So goes house man, Ship and Ship. They're 476 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: cooking for us, Me and him, just me and Puff 477 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: sitting there and looking at the fucking water, you know, 478 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 1: And he tell me, I'll tell you he'll confronted. He 479 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 1: was like, yo, you know you're the realist nigger. Ever, 480 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: I was like, yea, y'all said, I see your puff. 481 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: I don't really need He said, no, I want you 482 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 1: to know you realist one. I said, with your puff, 483 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: that's cool? And on I said, boy, how was you 484 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: so smart? Like how you figure it out? And I 485 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 1: canna tell you why? And so he said that he 486 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: studied all the grades, He had his whole game plan. 487 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: So Puff, you take Puff as a party animal weak 488 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,959 Speaker 1: like damn. When when it was happening, he was like, Yo, 489 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,159 Speaker 1: this guy parties too much. But little did we know 490 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: he was networking in there. Little did we know that 491 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 1: every time he came to my video and maybe where 492 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: Sean John, we was added value to his clothing. Little 493 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 1: did we know that every time he said yo, hole listen, 494 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 1: it was just a rock bottle. This guy was billion 495 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: there up the ship. He was just he was a genius. 496 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 1: I had the time. We did not know right now, 497 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 1: it'll be right now, you just said him, what's the 498 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 1: nameless again? You for men? Beautiful life right you. We 499 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:54,679 Speaker 1: did not know that the at all. We did not 500 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: know that. So he knew everything ahead of his time. 501 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: And if he threw a party, threw a party with 502 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: somebody who would be impressed by all his friends being 503 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,959 Speaker 1: there so he could Paul lay another deal. And he 504 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,160 Speaker 1: was doing all that. We didn't know that. So Puff, 505 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: what I learned from him is, uh, he knew branding, 506 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: uh network, and he knew everything before everybody. He was 507 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: smarter than everybody. Everybody took notes from Puff. Still all 508 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: we're still taking notes. I'm a huge fan of Puff 509 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 1: and just always just watching it. Like I said to me, 510 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 1: he figured it out. But he's enjoying the ship White happened. 511 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 1: It's like it's not a job to he's making money. 512 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: It's it's fun. His life is he's growing to be 513 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 1: growing as a person to still. Yeah, what we do is, uh, 514 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: we learned to appreciate life and happiness is the key. 515 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: Whatever makes you happy, if it's righteous, if it's not 516 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: robbing nobody, hurting nobody, taking advantage of nobody. Whatever makes 517 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: you happy, do you because God gave you this life. 518 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: God gave you this life. God gave me this life. 519 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: It's like we he at one time, there's an exploration day. 520 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: So you as long as you do it makes you happy, 521 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: you know, and not putting up with what people think 522 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: or what people like. What this is as long as 523 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 1: you're happy, you know what I'm saying. And I think 524 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 1: Puff has figured that out. I think Floyd Mayweather has 525 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 1: figured that out. There's certain people that have figured that 526 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: ship out where they're like, yo, I don't I don't care. 527 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: Whatever makes me happy. And we we were, you know, 528 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: we brought up in the society is so judgment to. 529 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: Everybody got their opinions, everybody got there dis and some 530 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 1: people just you know, I think Fat Joe being an 531 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 1: O G now I tapped into yeah, I'm doing what 532 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: makes me happy. If it's hanging out with my daughter. 533 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: That I don't get. I don't care. Maybe it's not 534 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: cooling you no more that I'm not walking in with 535 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: cool That's all right. I hang out with my wife, 536 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: I hang out with my daughter. That's what makes me happy, 537 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Or I hang out with 538 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: my brother Kali, that's what makes me happy. Rich you know, 539 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: it's whatever makes you happy. I remember to touch on Puff. 540 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: I remember when the whole George flour I think was 541 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: going down and I was about to do my first 542 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: interview on seeing it, and like the first time I 543 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: was speaking and I hadn't talked to Puff and nothing. 544 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: It's some kind of way he got my number and 545 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: he faced time me, and the words he told me 546 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 1: really kind of calmed me that. I was, like, you 547 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: were built for this, Like just remember you speaking for 548 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: all of us, He's saying, And at this point, I 549 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: don't know you, but I know of you, and I 550 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: wouldn't want nobody else in this position. You don't know 551 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: what that did for me, bro, you know what I'm saying. 552 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: Just to have him face time me and tell me 553 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: that right before I went on TV. I think that 554 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: was that was big man and I never told him 555 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: because I haven't seen him, but I appreciate that. I 556 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 1: think that was big. When when Joe gets Puff on 557 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: the show for she coun tell him, yeah, I get 558 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: him on the show, He'll do it, no problem. What 559 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 1: you gotta understand is when I remember when I was 560 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 1: going to jail, right, and they drove me to the 561 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: to the jail. It's just a couple of months, but 562 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: I was. I was walking in It's very different being 563 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: the celebrity going in jail in famous. You got animals 564 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: in there, guys who like to kill, rape still, and 565 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: you're walking in there like a bag of money. You're 566 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 1: walking in there like a UFO. Right, the more famous, 567 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: the worst. But I remember walking in there similar to you. 568 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: My phone rang and it was Little Wayne. I had 569 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: to go in at eight o'clock in the morning, maybe 570 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 1: at seven fifty nine. Little Wayne. Don't never call me yo, 571 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: bro Listen. I was like, yo, ship was that way, 572 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 1: and I listen, this is how I got through it. 573 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 1: Boo boo. And he's not a man of a lot 574 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: of words. So the fact that he called me at 575 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 1: seven fifty nine, knowing I was walking in there eight 576 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 1: that ship was like the same type of ship, like 577 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: the legendary Like I was like, all right, now, I 578 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 1: know what I gotta do. Ended up Earlier you mentioned 579 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 1: Big was hyping Jup. Talked about when you met j 580 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: his growth and hungriness and transition to the person he 581 00:31:56,120 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: is today. Man. Uh, Jay's the true Uh, He's the 582 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: proof of you could be born poor, but you're really 583 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: a genius. And sometimes guys don't got money and they 584 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: got the greatest ideas in the world. But we never 585 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 1: listened to him because they don't got money, they don't 586 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 1: look they don't look the part. And you know, you're 587 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: a guy my brother Raoul, you know Raoul who was 588 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: the first guy before anybody ever had a fucking water 589 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: in the world. He used to tell me, Yo, let's 590 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: get water and we can sell it in the stores. 591 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 1: I'm like water, Who's gonna buy water? Water is free? 592 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: I'm telling your waters what I had a time. But 593 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: I didn't listen to Raoul. So Jay Z it's a genius. 594 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: Not just musically. I'm not talking about musically. I'm talking 595 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: about what he's done as a businessman, who he has 596 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 1: around him to support him. Uh, his ideas. You know, 597 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 1: this guy's plots and he's a genius. There's no way 598 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: around it. So whether you black, white, Muslim to you you 599 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 1: have to respect the man from what he's been able 600 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:17,719 Speaker 1: to do. And we've been taught his historically that we 601 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: can't do that. So he is the perfect specimen that 602 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 1: you could die sect and say, Yo, this genius is 603 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 1: in the hood. He comes from the projects and and 604 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: and look what he's been able to do. And he's 605 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: been able to think freely and make different moves that 606 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 1: when he does it, the smartest people in the world 607 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: of Warren Buffett's be like, wow, it's amazing, amazing move. 608 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 1: He's the proof. Talk about day the artist a man, 609 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: Jay Z. You know, I'm from the hood where the 610 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 1: bullets the following man so much. Yeah, let me tell 611 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: you something. The boy has been amazing his whole career. 612 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 1: He's been a ration, uh for us, musically, lyrically, um 613 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 1: him with with with Easy. You know, Easy has been 614 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 1: my favorite rapper for the last ten twelve years. But 615 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: Jay brought Easy in the game. He made me like him, 616 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,839 Speaker 1: you know, because Easy was like backpack rapper. Let's let's 617 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: say the truth, right, The truth is, you know how 618 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 1: Easy was the backpack rappers. Now, thugs don't really listen 619 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 1: to backpack rappers like that. But when he got co 620 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 1: sign and he got that rock chain, you know what 621 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: I'm saying, we was like, oh no, we funk with him. 622 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 1: He opened the doors right. Same thing with Drake. Drake 623 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,240 Speaker 1: was like a smart guy, you know what I'm saying. 624 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,799 Speaker 1: Rapper similar And then once he once my man with 625 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,399 Speaker 1: all the tattoos in his face little way and said, 626 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: oh no, and Burdman was like this, oh no, we fun. 627 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:58,360 Speaker 1: We fun with this guy, right. So uh as a rapper, 628 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 1: sky's the limit for him. Man, He's he's always been 629 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 1: one of the greatest, you know, he's he's a god 630 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:08,760 Speaker 1: in this game him Nas, I gotta say that, Nas 631 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,719 Speaker 1: and musically, you know those two in the my era 632 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,320 Speaker 1: that considered you know, gods. You know what I'm saying. 633 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 1: Talk to us about how you got got the idea 634 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,240 Speaker 1: of Tero Squad came about. Well, that's crazy, you asked, 635 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 1: because we talked about things. I bought a present from 636 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: my brother Stevie. He'd be all shout out Christine Juelers. 637 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 1: Cut it out, man, he all deserves cut it out right. 638 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 1: You feel guilty that it's taken this long before you 639 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 1: even opened it. He was just saying, this ship, Bro, 640 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,799 Speaker 1: when he was going over the rundown, he told me 641 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,839 Speaker 1: he's gonna finish it. Hold up, man, he was talking 642 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 1: about this ship earlier. Bro. He was just now he 643 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 1: he deserves it. He told me he was going to 644 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 1: get me one. He's like, oh man, that's love. Crag. 645 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 1: I appreciate you. You'll be on deserve that because I know, 646 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: I know, I know what you've done for me. Besides this, though, 647 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 1: like I was telling them my rookie year, I was traveling, 648 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 1: I remember going out one day. I can't I can't 649 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 1: wait to find a chain to put this on. But look, um, 650 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 1: I gotta look at I want to look at that 651 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 1: ship too. That's the real deal, Pristine, Pristine. I come 652 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: to see you, boy, I'm gonna see Pristine right after 653 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:29,360 Speaker 1: this is getting me a chain to put it on 654 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,879 Speaker 1: right now. Suppose me leaving here. It should be free. 655 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 1: Since you get all this promotion he I got about 656 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,239 Speaker 1: tear rats to spend on the Chaine, Pristine, come to look. 657 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 1: I remember. That means a lot to me, bro, because 658 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,759 Speaker 1: I still have I remember when you took your ap 659 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,839 Speaker 1: Rex black aby Rex jacket off and they got Terroft 660 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 1: Squad on the back. I still have that jacket. But 661 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,400 Speaker 1: when I was here in my rookie year after I 662 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 1: met you, I was going from I was you know, 663 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,400 Speaker 1: like I said, I was wild and and I was 664 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,319 Speaker 1: going out every night. I was going into the hood 665 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,799 Speaker 1: clubs everywhere around the New York and everywhere I was. 666 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 1: I've seen two the Reacons everywhere I went. I'm like, man, 667 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,880 Speaker 1: I think these dudes following me everywhere. They followed me 668 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 1: like next thing, you know. Come to find out that 669 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 1: was his people following me around and make sure I 670 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,240 Speaker 1: was straight my whole time here. And I never told 671 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,759 Speaker 1: you thank you, but I appreciate that, man, because because 672 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,320 Speaker 1: because I ain't gonna lie, I was pushing the line. 673 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,080 Speaker 1: I was pushing the line back then. I was jeopardizing 674 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 1: my career out there, and your habitual love pushed. I 675 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,279 Speaker 1: was pushing. Let me tell you, I'll tell you a 676 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:35,279 Speaker 1: crazy story, right, Um is hard, bro, that's right, boy. 677 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 1: You got that big boy too. That's it? Yeah boy, 678 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 1: yeah yeah yeah, that ain't no regular, that's that. No, no, 679 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 1: that's that. But get it. But let let me tell 680 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,719 Speaker 1: you something. My brother you remember the time they put 681 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,880 Speaker 1: a prank on him. He came to my house in Jersey, 682 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,400 Speaker 1: my first house. I was in my room for some reason, 683 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,399 Speaker 1: and one of the guys would be told them, Yo, 684 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,480 Speaker 1: you know the next store neighbors racist. He took Joe's 685 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 1: dog because he's black, and he killed Joe's dog. Jack kill. 686 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:12,400 Speaker 1: Jack ran to the next door and there ran banging 687 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,440 Speaker 1: on this door, right, so they laughing on the floor 688 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,759 Speaker 1: and they opened it to your Joe. Yo, check this 689 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 1: out what I did. He said, Yeah, we told Steve 690 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 1: Jack the neighbor killed your dog. I'm running out there. Cha. 691 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:32,719 Speaker 1: They're lying, they're lying. It's not true. They're lying. He 692 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,200 Speaker 1: ready to go funk up the neighbor because but that 693 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,239 Speaker 1: was all because of the love, the genuine love you 694 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:38,719 Speaker 1: show me. I was in your home at the time. 695 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 1: That was it. I was at your house, so you 696 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:41,719 Speaker 1: know you opened the doors to me and treating me 697 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,440 Speaker 1: like a brother like they won. Man. So I've ever 698 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,719 Speaker 1: ride for you always. We love you, love you. But 699 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,920 Speaker 1: back to the question, I mean, beautiful piece, welcome to 700 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:55,200 Speaker 1: the squad. Well he's been the squad. Yeah, the world 701 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,759 Speaker 1: no lead it over. Talked to us how the terrost 702 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 1: Car came about. But we you know, we're from the street, 703 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:05,800 Speaker 1: started in the projects and we started out a graffiti crew, 704 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,520 Speaker 1: so we write graffiti. Now, the two guys who invented 705 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 1: Terror squadl with graffiti artists. They graduated into robbing banks 706 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,680 Speaker 1: and so they started getting big money. My man Cosmo 707 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 1: and uh, he was like, yo, I'm not writing graffiti 708 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 1: no more. You know, he started getting deferent. They were 709 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,359 Speaker 1: robbing banks like, and so he was like, I'm gonna 710 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,160 Speaker 1: give you t S and you're gonna be the new president. 711 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 1: He say, I never forget. I was like, I'm gonna 712 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,399 Speaker 1: take this to another love. I ain't know rap, It's 713 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 1: gonna be the biggest thing you've ever seen in your life. 714 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,080 Speaker 1: I gotta And then immediately, you know, we formed TS 715 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,879 Speaker 1: the crew, and then when we started rapping, we wasn't 716 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,160 Speaker 1: even gonna be TS. When we started rapping, we was 717 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:50,319 Speaker 1: thinking of names and Pump was like, yo, let's just 718 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,960 Speaker 1: wrap TS we TS. I was like, all right, we 719 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 1: did Terror Squawd. What kind of successful when that kind 720 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,319 Speaker 1: of took off? What was I mean? Obviously, like you said, 721 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,880 Speaker 1: you're always taking ideas from Puff or not taking ideas, 722 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,319 Speaker 1: but just watching kind of picking up game for that 723 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:11,439 Speaker 1: for you what was the next move after that? Oh? Man? 724 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 1: You know, we did it. You know what I'm saying. 725 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,759 Speaker 1: We signed major record label deals with Atlantic. You know 726 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,160 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I'm like twenty something. They're giving me 727 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,799 Speaker 1: ten million to run my own company. You know, we 728 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,160 Speaker 1: we we did it. We made the dream come true. 729 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,520 Speaker 1: We stayed its course. You know, TS a lifestyle man. 730 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:36,239 Speaker 1: It's doctors in TS. You know what I'm saying. It's 731 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,480 Speaker 1: it's bothers and TS. It's you know what I'm saying. 732 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 1: We we got a large family, man, and we love 733 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:44,839 Speaker 1: each other. And you know how many people asked me 734 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:50,680 Speaker 1: to buy a TS and we tell them no. People 735 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,080 Speaker 1: ask me yo, jo yo, it's time. Can I buy 736 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,799 Speaker 1: my own? T'm like, na, we can't, like not now, 737 00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,120 Speaker 1: I gotta talk to the guys. Really, it's like you 738 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,480 Speaker 1: can't get the TS bro like you know what I'm saying. 739 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:07,000 Speaker 1: And if you see somebody with it, if they really down, 740 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:13,200 Speaker 1: oh no, they family, yeah, you know, you know they family. 741 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:18,759 Speaker 1: And so we got billionaires wearing TS change you know 742 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:23,520 Speaker 1: whoever really really really family? They t S and it's 743 00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:27,359 Speaker 1: like a lifestyle man. Extensive career. Tell me what was 744 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:31,359 Speaker 1: if you could pick, If you can your favorite album, 745 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,680 Speaker 1: My favorite album was my second album, Jealous. Ones. Every 746 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,480 Speaker 1: when I was that that last one, it was just like, 747 00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,319 Speaker 1: you know, like Biggie said, Yo, you came up. You know, 748 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,440 Speaker 1: because my first album it was a height. You know 749 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I wasn't really you know, practice makes perfect. 750 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,880 Speaker 1: So I've always looked at my career as a marathon, 751 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:54,719 Speaker 1: never like overnight success. So I kept practicing to get better, 752 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,319 Speaker 1: to get better all the summers. Even if I was 753 00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,200 Speaker 1: hot and I was on fire and everybody were in 754 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:04,319 Speaker 1: the street enjoying my hits, I was still in the 755 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,560 Speaker 1: lab trying to get better, trying to get better, trying 756 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,160 Speaker 1: to get better. That's what it means to me. You know, 757 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,279 Speaker 1: that's my favorite album. Jealous was still Envy, That's my 758 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,759 Speaker 1: favorite album. That's my favorite album. Where did the inspiration 759 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,800 Speaker 1: from lean Back come from? That inspiration came a couple 760 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:25,759 Speaker 1: of places. Uh, Missy Elliott. She always had that shout. 761 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,600 Speaker 1: She would always come with a new style, she would 762 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,760 Speaker 1: always come with a new flow as she would always 763 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,080 Speaker 1: come with her I didn't know that lean Back taught 764 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,960 Speaker 1: me a repetitive hooker. Is that your man? But man, 765 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,400 Speaker 1: man man, is that your technic? And I never knew 766 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:47,080 Speaker 1: that that's the hit formula when the people senior hook continuous, 767 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,400 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, continuously, so that she inspired 768 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,400 Speaker 1: that hook. Also, the Jamaicans were doing big like a 769 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,000 Speaker 1: rock Away, a rock Away sig new to play sew 770 00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:58,839 Speaker 1: to place. I was like, yo, we gotta we gotta 771 00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,680 Speaker 1: do some ship to agents could funk with. So then 772 00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,640 Speaker 1: it was like my people don't dance, We just full 773 00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:10,720 Speaker 1: up a pants in and do the think about success 774 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,479 Speaker 1: you experience with that. Imagine if there's a social media 775 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:18,680 Speaker 1: movement at that time, crazy right, be the most disrespectful 776 00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,680 Speaker 1: ship I have seen. I'm trying to tell my daughters, 777 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:27,360 Speaker 1: my daughter sleep something to anybody with social media. Social 778 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,799 Speaker 1: media is a younger man's game. We we we do 779 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:35,600 Speaker 1: our think respect for me. We got We're still relevant, 780 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,560 Speaker 1: but no, it's for that age group. If that was 781 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:43,040 Speaker 1: out When Lea was I had many nine million followers, 782 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,920 Speaker 1: Like I said, you know, I know, you know what 783 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,279 Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's like we was the magic Johnson's of 784 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,640 Speaker 1: this ship. You know, Maggie Johnson. Everybody praising we got 785 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,879 Speaker 1: a million dollars for his one year. That one year. 786 00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,279 Speaker 1: Now you got the guy, the fifteenth guy on the 787 00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,960 Speaker 1: bench getting two hundred million, right, So he paved the way. 788 00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,480 Speaker 1: So I know what it is. I'm not crazy. I'm like, 789 00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,200 Speaker 1: damn if I was eighteen nineteen leaving back right now. 790 00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:11,680 Speaker 1: I have followers. You know, Summer of oh three was 791 00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:16,719 Speaker 1: supposed to be the legendary Rucker Park match up. I was. 792 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,239 Speaker 1: I wasn't there at that game, but I've represented the team. 793 00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:24,040 Speaker 1: We bought some masks when the tea. When we played 794 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:27,200 Speaker 1: one game in Dykeman Park, not to take away from Rucker, 795 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:31,120 Speaker 1: and Steve went so crazy and they cheated us. And 796 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,560 Speaker 1: that one game we knew not to never come back 797 00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,719 Speaker 1: to dyke because Steve was about to beat up some 798 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,279 Speaker 1: players and not. But I knew all these people ain't 799 00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,080 Speaker 1: gonna let us win here. I knew it immediately, and 800 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,759 Speaker 1: my uncle helped create that league, Ralphie d I was like, yo, 801 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,520 Speaker 1: I said, your Ralph, Ralph tried to gas. We did 802 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,560 Speaker 1: to go to Dykemand. We played one game. Steve might 803 00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,640 Speaker 1: have had fifty points on him right after he won 804 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,920 Speaker 1: that chip. He was doing them dirty. They jerked us. 805 00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:57,480 Speaker 1: I was like, oh no, I can't come back, never 806 00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,840 Speaker 1: again again. No, because it's not fars. But at the 807 00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:05,279 Speaker 1: Rucker we want seven chips. And uh, you know that 808 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,800 Speaker 1: that Blackout game? Uh you know I was just talking 809 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:14,719 Speaker 1: to Maverick about it. You know, you know that Blackout game, Matt, 810 00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:19,000 Speaker 1: we was gonna win. Tell us your did shock speak 811 00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,759 Speaker 1: on this? Who was on your team? He was on 812 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,080 Speaker 1: the bus or something waiting to come out? Talk to U? 813 00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:29,160 Speaker 1: Who was on your team? Listen? We had Stephen Maulberry 814 00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,200 Speaker 1: when he was the highest paid player in the N 815 00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:38,360 Speaker 1: giving them that work right. We had Al Harrington's front 816 00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:43,080 Speaker 1: and center. We had Zack Randolph z Boat. We had 817 00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:47,920 Speaker 1: Carmelo Anthony, We had Jermaine O'Neil. Not Carmelo Anthony wanted 818 00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,560 Speaker 1: to come because Lebron was on jay Z's two. They 819 00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:56,759 Speaker 1: both Lebrons fresh at high school. Carmelo won that chip 820 00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,520 Speaker 1: with Syracuse, so they want to get at it now. 821 00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:05,040 Speaker 1: They had Sebastian Telfair, who was Stefan's little cousin. We 822 00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,319 Speaker 1: used to buy the guy to get over Chinese. I 823 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,160 Speaker 1: could not believe this thing. If anybody heard us in 824 00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:15,200 Speaker 1: that series with Sebastian Telfair. We knew him. Were seating 825 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:20,600 Speaker 1: this guy. You know what I'm saying. Oh no, he 826 00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,719 Speaker 1: was gonna get the business. Was gonna kill him. Now 827 00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,560 Speaker 1: a surprise that that they don't know that I really 828 00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:28,680 Speaker 1: did have a Damn. I don't want to miss out 829 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,960 Speaker 1: somebody else. I think Shawn Marian was there with us too. 830 00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:38,040 Speaker 1: But the surprise I did have. Okay waiting in fifty 831 00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:42,759 Speaker 1: seven Street, you know they were playing spades, was Mike 832 00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:48,040 Speaker 1: Bibbie and Alan Novison when they were paying for the 833 00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:52,440 Speaker 1: US team and all that waiting. So I was gonna go. 834 00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,880 Speaker 1: The game was gonna go by the first quarter. I 835 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:56,799 Speaker 1: was gonna drive down and go get him to come 836 00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:01,839 Speaker 1: back to the halftime. AI, Mike Baby, I was about 837 00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,800 Speaker 1: to be a movie. We I mean you know this 838 00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,520 Speaker 1: that Ai? This that you know that's who I had 839 00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:13,000 Speaker 1: for sure. You're confirmed with everybody they said they had shock. 840 00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:17,720 Speaker 1: If they had shock, I say, they win. I'm not dizzy, 841 00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,920 Speaker 1: I'm not crazy. You got should kill O'Neill at that 842 00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,800 Speaker 1: time you're winning. Nobody's going to stop him, right, But 843 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:30,440 Speaker 1: no one what they say in court, no one process 844 00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:34,279 Speaker 1: the evidence. Nobody showed me should kill O'Neil right in 845 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,879 Speaker 1: this room as he really wasn't here. No, he was there. 846 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,080 Speaker 1: He told us. He said he was sitting around the 847 00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,239 Speaker 1: corner on the bus. White to play this thing would 848 00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,160 Speaker 1: have been crazy. So that you know of who was 849 00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:46,759 Speaker 1: on the other team. We know Lebron was on the 850 00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,320 Speaker 1: other day. Bron was on the other teaen Jamal Crawford 851 00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:55,640 Speaker 1: was drawing. That's his, that's his disrespectful. They had a 852 00:47:55,719 --> 00:48:00,480 Speaker 1: young Lament owed him. They had a young Lamar oldam 853 00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:02,520 Speaker 1: who else they had out there? I mean they had 854 00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:06,680 Speaker 1: several players, but the one I could confirm is they 855 00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:11,839 Speaker 1: had Sebastan Telfair. They had Lebron for sure. Uh, they 856 00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,400 Speaker 1: had um who they had, They had Jamal Crawford and 857 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,160 Speaker 1: all them, and they had shot now the only thing 858 00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,360 Speaker 1: that could have because like everybody else is getting X 859 00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:35,480 Speaker 1: out with the squad, your men, Uh, shock is different. Yeah, 860 00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell your story, right because this like a 861 00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:44,120 Speaker 1: sports show or whatever. I'm in Miami, I go to 862 00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:48,160 Speaker 1: the studio, work in my studio, all right, I'm walking there. 863 00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,840 Speaker 1: One night, I'm supposed to be in the studio and 864 00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:56,279 Speaker 1: it's pitch black dog, no lights on whatever, I walk 865 00:48:56,360 --> 00:49:00,279 Speaker 1: in there there's a shadow of a human being, this 866 00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:09,799 Speaker 1: big in the dark, and I said, holy, they came 867 00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,320 Speaker 1: to kill me. No, No, that's it. This is it. 868 00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,719 Speaker 1: This is like, this is what people must feel like 869 00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,160 Speaker 1: when they're about to die, Like you know, she's gonna 870 00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:22,080 Speaker 1: kill like hello, yeah, I've seen the like Shot, turn 871 00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:28,239 Speaker 1: on the light. She killed on there. No, he said, 872 00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,759 Speaker 1: they just traded me the Phoenix. Nigella. I wanted you 873 00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:37,120 Speaker 1: to be the first to know I was going to 874 00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:45,279 Speaker 1: die like the shadow of Shot. That's the big motherfucker, man, 875 00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:49,440 Speaker 1: he say. He wants me to be the person to 876 00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:56,000 Speaker 1: know what. I know it. I'm dead. I know what. 877 00:49:56,080 --> 00:50:00,920 Speaker 1: I'm dead. They said, the biggest guy in this guy's 878 00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,360 Speaker 1: gonna kill me. I turned on the light and Shock, 879 00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,640 Speaker 1: the old big fellow just wanted you to know, man, 880 00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:13,680 Speaker 1: they traded me to Phoenix something. Where were you in Miami, 881 00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,640 Speaker 1: Miami when he was in Miami. I tell you another 882 00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:18,640 Speaker 1: thing I used to tell you and Shock, don't kill me. 883 00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:23,000 Speaker 1: But you know me, Hey, I used to be together 884 00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:27,920 Speaker 1: every day and it's prompt every day. And when he 885 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:32,200 Speaker 1: played them in the championship, I kept trying to gas Hey, 886 00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:37,360 Speaker 1: I kept saying Yo, don't call Shack. It's gonna be legendary, 887 00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,600 Speaker 1: right said, when you think you know the legendary, it's 888 00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:45,400 Speaker 1: real good. But let's sen let's say all right. So 889 00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:49,239 Speaker 1: I'm just telling them I said, yo, don't don't right 890 00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,600 Speaker 1: because a I at that time, he had them hop stoopid, 891 00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:53,880 Speaker 1: and I was like dunt. One day he looked at me, 892 00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,839 Speaker 1: he said, he's gonna throw me in the stad He's 893 00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,560 Speaker 1: gonna pay me up. Stop telling to me that I 894 00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,799 Speaker 1: see your shock muster abused people. I was gonna say, 895 00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,920 Speaker 1: don't confuse joking, laughing, playing running around naked Shock with 896 00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:16,200 Speaker 1: game time, Shocker told me he's two bodies. If some 897 00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:20,120 Speaker 1: let him drive, if someone say our guard is cooking, 898 00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:21,799 Speaker 1: he said, let him come on in here and shock 899 00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,600 Speaker 1: a lamb out. And now him, Joe Shock is different. 900 00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:26,960 Speaker 1: This is my story of Shack, and I told us 901 00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,480 Speaker 1: all the time. But we're beenna playing. He's in things 902 00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:30,719 Speaker 1: we've been to play, and you know, that's like a 903 00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:32,319 Speaker 1: big brother to me. I talked to him just as 904 00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,440 Speaker 1: much as you talked to him every day. He actually 905 00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,640 Speaker 1: texts me two days ago and uh, tell me how 906 00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:38,320 Speaker 1: proud he was with everything I'm doing in the community. 907 00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:39,960 Speaker 1: But I know him to go up to the game 908 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,319 Speaker 1: and run up and chest bumping. Right, what's up, big bro? 909 00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,040 Speaker 1: He catches me mid air with two hands, like, man, 910 00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,760 Speaker 1: put me down. Why would you do that that? Tek 911 00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:52,880 Speaker 1: just catches me mid air like I'm five pounds on man, 912 00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:57,560 Speaker 1: put me down. Bro, don't do that. And they made 913 00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,560 Speaker 1: a new if they would have made uh this era 914 00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:05,279 Speaker 1: the Bruce Lee movie when Kareem was fighting saving about 915 00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,120 Speaker 1: a hundred times. You don't want to smoke with shat. 916 00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,800 Speaker 1: I heard you. I don't recall what interview it was, 917 00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:15,960 Speaker 1: but obviously in the music game, in life in general, 918 00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,360 Speaker 1: beefts happen, beasts happened. You've had you know, you have 919 00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,560 Speaker 1: one with Fifty, you have one with Jay. I heard 920 00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:23,120 Speaker 1: you say that. You know, you just had a place 921 00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,680 Speaker 1: to put, you know, let the beasts go and see 922 00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,400 Speaker 1: what kind of doors open speak to us about. Obviously 923 00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,600 Speaker 1: I love the positive side of that, but in the moment, 924 00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:33,600 Speaker 1: it's some ship. I mean, you and fifty had a 925 00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,800 Speaker 1: real beef. I mean you and Jay had you know, 926 00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:37,440 Speaker 1: you and Jay had to beef. What what is it 927 00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,320 Speaker 1: like because you come from the streets, you know, and 928 00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,520 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that other people don't but from from 929 00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:47,520 Speaker 1: the rucker. No that yeah, but just before that, like 930 00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,239 Speaker 1: we had beef like before that. You know what I'm saying. 931 00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:52,800 Speaker 1: It was all my fault to be honest with you 932 00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:58,520 Speaker 1: and just being correct, just being crazy. And after you 933 00:52:58,600 --> 00:52:59,880 Speaker 1: tell us a story, I want to know how you 934 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,000 Speaker 1: out the name crack, but tell us the story. It's 935 00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:07,800 Speaker 1: a funny story. Well, you know, the beef does not work. 936 00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:15,000 Speaker 1: It don't work because you go from right right now, 937 00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:19,040 Speaker 1: you go from safe fat Joe, I'm walking around with 938 00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:23,120 Speaker 1: rich uh if I got into some rap beef for 939 00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:26,839 Speaker 1: let's say, now we're on high alert, I gotta bring 940 00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,440 Speaker 1: twenty guys with me wherever I go. I mean across 941 00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,960 Speaker 1: the country. I mean, if we're in the A T 942 00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,920 Speaker 1: L four seasons, it's twenty seats and twenty sweets in 943 00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,440 Speaker 1: the four seasons. If we on this and we got 944 00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:42,120 Speaker 1: two buses, were on two private planes were on this 945 00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,640 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you gotta move different. You wake 946 00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,360 Speaker 1: up everyone and thinking is today to day we're about 947 00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:52,200 Speaker 1: to go at it, you know, and all that energy 948 00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:56,080 Speaker 1: it does nothing for you, bro Like it never benefited 949 00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,600 Speaker 1: a thing to me. I never made a dollar out 950 00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:01,759 Speaker 1: of it. If anything made me spend more money and 951 00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,719 Speaker 1: waste more frustration and stress. You know me, I come 952 00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:09,600 Speaker 1: from a serious place, like serious place like where where where? 953 00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:13,080 Speaker 1: Where I came up. I was in the streets going 954 00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:16,279 Speaker 1: to war with animals like people you read about the 955 00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:20,000 Speaker 1: Bibles and ship like guys were three heads, you know, 956 00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:22,440 Speaker 1: the worst people you ever seen. So when I get 957 00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:26,239 Speaker 1: a hip hop and people start missing me on like internet, 958 00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,040 Speaker 1: and I didn't know how to deal with that myself. 959 00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,759 Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, like like what is this? 960 00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:35,840 Speaker 1: Like I was almost like dinosaur in the New Age, 961 00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:37,799 Speaker 1: And so they did to me. I'm like, my god, 962 00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:39,839 Speaker 1: I would when I cast these guys, Oh my god, 963 00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,200 Speaker 1: I didn't. Like That's all I had in my head, Like, yo, 964 00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,320 Speaker 1: I gotta show these guys what this thing is like 965 00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:49,080 Speaker 1: for real. So it was gonna be bad, you know 966 00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:53,000 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So thank God, you know, time heals 967 00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:55,440 Speaker 1: all wounds. And we got older and we got bigger, 968 00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,239 Speaker 1: and now I'm great friends with fifty Cents. I'm great 969 00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,600 Speaker 1: friends with Jay z Uh. These are brothers. And I 970 00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,560 Speaker 1: just think if there's anything, like I told you, my 971 00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:08,080 Speaker 1: life is transparent. You could see my wins and you 972 00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,040 Speaker 1: can see my failures. But I want you to learn 973 00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:12,160 Speaker 1: from it. I want the youth. I want to the 974 00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,920 Speaker 1: young rappers to know, Yo, it ain't nothing in that. 975 00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,320 Speaker 1: It don't make you holler that you be from with somebody. 976 00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:20,520 Speaker 1: It just makes it more likely that you and your 977 00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:24,680 Speaker 1: friends are gonna go to jail. And somebody just said 978 00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:27,759 Speaker 1: no all the time, but somebody always says that the 979 00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,120 Speaker 1: new thing. Somebody said, I think it was my band 980 00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,200 Speaker 1: Big Bank from the a T I love this guy. 981 00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:38,440 Speaker 1: Big Bank says, Uh, if you against the rapper and 982 00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,759 Speaker 1: you want to still be gangster, you're gonna get locked up. 983 00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,880 Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's it's simple as that, like if 984 00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,040 Speaker 1: you want to be you even want to be a rapper, 985 00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:52,120 Speaker 1: artist and a businessman to live your life beautifully, or 986 00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,239 Speaker 1: if you still want to be in that street like that, 987 00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:58,320 Speaker 1: you're gonna get locked up. And historically we've been watching this, 988 00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,719 Speaker 1: so we try to show the youth, the up and 989 00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,520 Speaker 1: coming youth, like, yo, you ain't gotta beef. You can 990 00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:08,160 Speaker 1: leave that alone. You could have their differences, but keep 991 00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:10,520 Speaker 1: it moving, move on, because at the end of the day, 992 00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,880 Speaker 1: when you start being a young kid, dribbling the basketball 993 00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:17,239 Speaker 1: and you start dribbling and I started rapping. We're trying 994 00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,960 Speaker 1: to get about this ship and not go back, not 995 00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:23,000 Speaker 1: go back. And then some people they sipped the juice 996 00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:28,040 Speaker 1: once they get on and they forget, and then you know, 997 00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:31,160 Speaker 1: they're like and they're like, damn, bro, Like what the 998 00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,719 Speaker 1: funk man? It makes sense to meet you're trying to 999 00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:35,640 Speaker 1: get out to me, it just never made sense to 1000 00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:37,480 Speaker 1: want to go back to it. I mean, obviously you 1001 00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:41,560 Speaker 1: come from it. But yesterday me and Rich was driving 1002 00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:45,239 Speaker 1: in the car. We talked about something. Something happened. I 1003 00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,600 Speaker 1: don't know what it was, let's just say it was 1004 00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:51,359 Speaker 1: something happened. And normally ten years ago we got out 1005 00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,360 Speaker 1: and beat the ship out of a dude and dragged 1006 00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:57,040 Speaker 1: them in the middle of But we were were talking 1007 00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:01,239 Speaker 1: and I said, you're Rich. We would be assholes if 1008 00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:04,360 Speaker 1: the mayor of New York City wants Fat Joe to 1009 00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:07,680 Speaker 1: endorse it, because you know, you know, I'm becoming an 1010 00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,880 Speaker 1: elder statesman in the city. We would be assholes on 1011 00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,759 Speaker 1: the news, jumping out this truck, beating somebody up on 1012 00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:19,439 Speaker 1: the street court. Did you get what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, 1013 00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:21,840 Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta grown man and show to youth. 1014 00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:26,520 Speaker 1: You know that ain't net boy, luck, don't don't don't, 1015 00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:28,920 Speaker 1: don't be away. I don't want to be a walking contradiction, 1016 00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:30,640 Speaker 1: you know That's what I said. Like, even when I 1017 00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:32,520 Speaker 1: have beef with people, I try to I even go 1018 00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,080 Speaker 1: to the point where publicly apologize, because that's not where 1019 00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:37,040 Speaker 1: I'm at. I know where I used to be. You 1020 00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,200 Speaker 1: know how I would react. You know how I used 1021 00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,200 Speaker 1: to be to where I am where I'm at today. 1022 00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:43,120 Speaker 1: I love this person I am, so I wouldn't. I 1023 00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:45,760 Speaker 1: wouldn't dad play myself out the street or some petty 1024 00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:49,160 Speaker 1: uh Instagram beef or some bullshit like that. Ever, And 1025 00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:52,680 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's some older ship because I 1026 00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:55,479 Speaker 1: feel the same way. I love where I'm at. Yeah, 1027 00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:59,760 Speaker 1: I'm happy, I'm cool. You know I'm doing great. I 1028 00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,680 Speaker 1: of where I'm at. I don't never feel less of 1029 00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,480 Speaker 1: a man that I don't jump out and do the same. 1030 00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:09,080 Speaker 1: That's dumb ship, because we really come from it. It's 1031 00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:11,080 Speaker 1: a big difference when you really come from it. You 1032 00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,000 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You don't want to go back there. 1033 00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:16,800 Speaker 1: We spoke to this earlier. But when you and fifty 1034 00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:19,880 Speaker 1: squashed your beef. If there were viral moments back, it 1035 00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:23,200 Speaker 1: would have went crazy. Talk to us about how that 1036 00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:25,840 Speaker 1: happened and just kind of the energy ironic the only 1037 00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:29,960 Speaker 1: way they explained it to you. I gotta get this 1038 00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:32,240 Speaker 1: stored out real quick, because it was like the wicked 1039 00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:38,200 Speaker 1: Wich to the West is Dad, you know, the Wizard 1040 00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:45,280 Speaker 1: of Oz is ah. Chris Litty unfortunately discovered me in 1041 00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:49,000 Speaker 1: fifty and uh so we did a tribute to him 1042 00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:51,960 Speaker 1: at the BT Awards. They asked us to go Stephen Hill. 1043 00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,800 Speaker 1: I didn't know. I brought my biggest shooters. I ain't 1044 00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:59,200 Speaker 1: gonna lie to you. Were beyond strap at the awards, 1045 00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,320 Speaker 1: and we were, you know, we didn't know, but we're 1046 00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:05,040 Speaker 1: gonna come. And then we do the rehearsal and somehow 1047 00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:07,600 Speaker 1: fifth he ends up right here, right next to me, 1048 00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,960 Speaker 1: and he stands there and he puts his hands out 1049 00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:17,760 Speaker 1: and he was like yo piece for Chris Ldy. My man, 1050 00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:21,200 Speaker 1: I just saw all the craziest ship the fifty said 1051 00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:23,040 Speaker 1: about me and what he did. It was like racing. 1052 00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:25,560 Speaker 1: My life was racing. Like I was looking at him. 1053 00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:28,439 Speaker 1: I was like peace, It's like yo piece for Chris Ley. 1054 00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:31,959 Speaker 1: That's what he wanted. So when I shook his hand, 1055 00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:36,840 Speaker 1: you gotta understand this is a rehearsal for the BET Awards, 1056 00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,840 Speaker 1: that the whole industry is there. They were everybody was 1057 00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:43,080 Speaker 1: jumping up and down, hugging each other. They were like, yeah, 1058 00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:48,680 Speaker 1: it's christ It's all like they're running up like yeah 1059 00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:50,640 Speaker 1: because they're like, yo, they're in the same building now 1060 00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,080 Speaker 1: because the whole time we beat and we never see 1061 00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:58,240 Speaker 1: seeing each other. So people, men, women, child, everybody was 1062 00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:01,720 Speaker 1: dancing in the stands. The my god, it's over. You'll 1063 01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:04,840 Speaker 1: holy you know, people start running up. Before you had 1064 01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:08,000 Speaker 1: phones with the cameras, they're running up like yo, let's 1065 01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:11,280 Speaker 1: take a picture. Yea, yeah, Like it was just crazy. Yeah. 1066 01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:14,280 Speaker 1: I'm just thinking, like now that someone have been behind 1067 01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:15,880 Speaker 1: the scenes kind of filming the whole thing and to 1068 01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,040 Speaker 1: kind of see that ship going down like magic. We 1069 01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:20,440 Speaker 1: didn't have that time. But you know what I wish, 1070 01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:23,800 Speaker 1: especially some of these young motherfucker's, I wish they could 1071 01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:26,160 Speaker 1: have seen that, what I'm saying, because it was powering. 1072 01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,439 Speaker 1: That's a power in that moment, you know what I'm saying. 1073 01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:31,280 Speaker 1: The day it's not worth especially with these I mean, 1074 01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,520 Speaker 1: these young kids. I mean kind of out there, just wilding. 1075 01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:38,000 Speaker 1: But don't you know when you're young. You know, when 1076 01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:44,120 Speaker 1: you're young, you're crazy. You don't think about tomorrow, right, 1077 01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:47,000 Speaker 1: and so you're young, you will. Steve is the same 1078 01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:51,320 Speaker 1: way you're young, you while you're impulsive and you're thinking, 1079 01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:54,040 Speaker 1: I'm young, I might go to jail for ten fifteen years, 1080 01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:55,760 Speaker 1: I'll still come out there. They're gonna let me when 1081 01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:59,200 Speaker 1: I come home. The most ignorant ship you ever seen, 1082 01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,320 Speaker 1: you know, And and so we gotta let them know. 1083 01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:05,080 Speaker 1: You know, you're gonna live past that. We want you 1084 01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:08,320 Speaker 1: to live out here. We don't want you to be 1085 01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:11,800 Speaker 1: in jail. We want you to live out here. Man, 1086 01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:16,680 Speaker 1: live a righteous life. A lot of people die before 1087 01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:19,640 Speaker 1: they even live. How how did the hip hop in 1088 01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:24,200 Speaker 1: Miami grow when you arrived? Well, grow ship. We grew 1089 01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:29,160 Speaker 1: that motherfucker all the way right. So it's uh, you know, 1090 01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:32,800 Speaker 1: Miami has always been U a place that embraced me, 1091 01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:35,880 Speaker 1: show me love, made me happy. You know. I come 1092 01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:39,680 Speaker 1: from the concrete jungle New York City, no disrespect, but 1093 01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:43,960 Speaker 1: it's just a big giant ghetto. Let's see, when you 1094 01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:46,360 Speaker 1: were landing in the plain, you don't see no palm 1095 01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:49,960 Speaker 1: trees and no ship. You just see a big metallic 1096 01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:54,560 Speaker 1: ghetto and bricks. And so when I when I got 1097 01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:58,880 Speaker 1: to experienced Miami and how the people are, how nice 1098 01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,640 Speaker 1: they were, you know what I'm saying New York hip hop. 1099 01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:03,480 Speaker 1: You know, when I grew up, I came up at 1100 01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:05,920 Speaker 1: a time where we was in each other's videos. Everybody 1101 01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:09,120 Speaker 1: was celebrating each other and had got into like a 1102 01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:12,480 Speaker 1: bad time where dip Set was arguing with Nas and 1103 01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:15,800 Speaker 1: I'm beefing with fifty and this one is just New 1104 01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,840 Speaker 1: York rappers. It was just out of control. And so 1105 01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:22,160 Speaker 1: that's around the time I had met Cool and Dre 1106 01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,320 Speaker 1: and I fell in love with Dom and Khalid, and 1107 01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,000 Speaker 1: I said, yo, I'm moving to Miami. And then when 1108 01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:31,800 Speaker 1: I got there, I noticed that everybody I wanted to 1109 01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:33,800 Speaker 1: work with each other. You know, we had Little Wayne 1110 01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:36,120 Speaker 1: in one studio, We had Ross in one studio. You 1111 01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:38,560 Speaker 1: got pit Buller in another studio. You had Kalid in 1112 01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:40,880 Speaker 1: the studio. You had Me in the studio, and everybody 1113 01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:44,320 Speaker 1: running and everybody's stuff helping them, helping each other. Yo, yo, 1114 01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:47,440 Speaker 1: you should say this crack, Yo, you should say that, yo, yo. 1115 01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:50,000 Speaker 1: I get on that song this and and I was like, 1116 01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:52,760 Speaker 1: holy sh it, this is what hip hop's about, man, 1117 01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:55,960 Speaker 1: Everybody working with each other, helping each other out, and 1118 01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:58,200 Speaker 1: we had lost that for a very long time. In 1119 01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:01,720 Speaker 1: New York, Cool and Drake talked to us about your 1120 01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:04,920 Speaker 1: your experience meeting Calin and working with Kali. Man. I 1121 01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:09,720 Speaker 1: met Kali here New York and uh, one of these 1122 01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:12,680 Speaker 1: uh seminars, I want to say it was Jack the Rapp. 1123 01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:15,200 Speaker 1: I said whatever one they had new music seminar in 1124 01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:18,720 Speaker 1: New York something. It was Clark Kent was having a 1125 01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:21,280 Speaker 1: battle and I'm waiting online to go in there to 1126 01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:24,240 Speaker 1: see him have a DJ battle and uh, this is 1127 01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:28,320 Speaker 1: like nine one or something, and Kalid was in there No. No. Two, 1128 01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:31,440 Speaker 1: and Kali had my album before anybody was like, Yo, 1129 01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:33,640 Speaker 1: could you sign this? And I was like signed this? 1130 01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:36,200 Speaker 1: Like how do fu you get my album? This is 1131 01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:38,160 Speaker 1: one boot Legan was real and it was like, no 1132 01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:42,160 Speaker 1: fan I wanted to so I signed it and uh 1133 01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:45,280 Speaker 1: he was with DJ Nasty out of Orlando, and I 1134 01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:47,800 Speaker 1: just fell in love with calib and everything that everybody 1135 01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,760 Speaker 1: finally figured out now, I learned it from the first 1136 01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:52,600 Speaker 1: day and I was just like, Yo, this is my 1137 01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:55,680 Speaker 1: brother and I love him. Pun loved him. You know, 1138 01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:58,400 Speaker 1: Pun would go down to Miami to playing all this music. 1139 01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:01,880 Speaker 1: I had a time caliber of A and Arsons forever. 1140 01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,240 Speaker 1: Big Pun used to drive down there be like, Yo, Kelley, 1141 01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:06,320 Speaker 1: what you think and play for him. It's just an 1142 01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:10,840 Speaker 1: infectious energy um that he has of of love. He's 1143 01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:13,040 Speaker 1: you know people, when you get to know him, you're 1144 01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:15,040 Speaker 1: just like, wow, I love this guy, you know what 1145 01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:17,160 Speaker 1: I'm saying. And I fell in love with him. So 1146 01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:19,280 Speaker 1: that helped me move down there as well. Not too 1147 01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:21,560 Speaker 1: many people that have that talent to cut you off, 1148 01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:25,320 Speaker 1: that have that talent of being able to bring all 1149 01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:28,439 Speaker 1: these thoughts together and not have an ego in the room. 1150 01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:32,520 Speaker 1: You know this guy, he turned out to be a jokester, 1151 01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:36,840 Speaker 1: a funny guy that was dead serious, right, So when 1152 01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:39,400 Speaker 1: you met him, the Jamaicans matter and it was like, Yo, man, 1153 01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:41,720 Speaker 1: I was with buld you last week, Me, Buojo and 1154 01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:43,960 Speaker 1: Kalet was on vacation together in the Bahamas, and I 1155 01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:46,360 Speaker 1: was like, yo, well why are you? Like Kelly said none. 1156 01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:49,160 Speaker 1: He was the Arab guy and I couldn't believe the 1157 01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:52,600 Speaker 1: Arab DJ and he and Jamaica, he and the King 1158 01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:55,280 Speaker 1: Town and and it just something that everybody was like 1159 01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:58,080 Speaker 1: the Arab, the Arab like he was in Jamaica, like 1160 01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:00,360 Speaker 1: trying to get dumbs from Bound to Kill know, all 1161 01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:02,920 Speaker 1: of Cableton and all him. And then and then Bouji 1162 01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:04,920 Speaker 1: was like, yo, it was just something to bottom is 1163 01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:07,440 Speaker 1: the same ship I'm saying. And then, you know, we 1164 01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:10,240 Speaker 1: used to laugh at this guy, and then he became 1165 01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:14,120 Speaker 1: the biggest DJ out there, and the same thing with us. 1166 01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:16,959 Speaker 1: You know, with me, he was always my little brother. 1167 01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:19,360 Speaker 1: He was always with us. And then he turned around 1168 01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:21,080 Speaker 1: and he was like, yo, bro, I want to get 1169 01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:22,760 Speaker 1: in the game. I want to make my own music. 1170 01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:24,880 Speaker 1: I was like, make your own music. It's like, no, 1171 01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,240 Speaker 1: I'm serious, brother, I want to make my own music. 1172 01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:31,440 Speaker 1: Like it's time DJ Kalabs. So I came up here 1173 01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:33,480 Speaker 1: and I got him to deal. You know what I'm 1174 01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:36,040 Speaker 1: saying that they was trying to front because they were 1175 01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:38,320 Speaker 1: they didn't know what time it was with DJ Call 1176 01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:42,440 Speaker 1: and I forget. You know, it's first deal. You know 1177 01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:46,600 Speaker 1: we you know, Terroft squad on him first seven albums, 1178 01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:48,919 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So and then it turned 1179 01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:51,560 Speaker 1: into we the best we can and that's what it's 1180 01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:53,560 Speaker 1: about all of us went and all of us growing, 1181 01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:56,240 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So he never looked back. 1182 01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:58,480 Speaker 1: He dropped. His first song was a hit, the second 1183 01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:00,280 Speaker 1: was a hit, the third was it hit the fun 1184 01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:03,560 Speaker 1: I've never seen a guy just drop here here are you? 1185 01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:10,640 Speaker 1: The ship won't stop? Were the best, the best, my brother, 1186 01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:17,520 Speaker 1: all the way up. That was it. It was triumph. 1187 01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:21,160 Speaker 1: That was you know, you know, I got in trouble 1188 01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:25,160 Speaker 1: for some ship. I ain't do accountant didn't pay my taxes. 1189 01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:28,919 Speaker 1: He robbed me. Uh he was a Ponzi scheme guy 1190 01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:33,200 Speaker 1: and I didn't know. And so the government that even 1191 01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:36,720 Speaker 1: though we proved that he robbed me, they said, we 1192 01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:42,360 Speaker 1: believe that it's your You as the employer, you are 1193 01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:46,160 Speaker 1: responsible for the people to work for you. So after 1194 01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:49,520 Speaker 1: I gave him the money, I had to pay that 1195 01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:54,800 Speaker 1: money again at the pay for all. Right, if you 1196 01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:59,280 Speaker 1: steal this cup and the state wants you to regular cops, 1197 01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:02,560 Speaker 1: a lawyer, of course you five thousand, ten thousand. Do 1198 01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:06,920 Speaker 1: you still this same cup? And the fedgs charging for 1199 01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:10,120 Speaker 1: this cup? Your lawyer charges you two hundred thousand dollars. 1200 01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:12,440 Speaker 1: So you could imagine what the lawyers was doing to 1201 01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:18,320 Speaker 1: me that the forensics, Like, man, these guys they tried 1202 01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:22,160 Speaker 1: to finish me, man, and they left me. Damn, they're broke. 1203 01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:24,800 Speaker 1: And I paid everything before I went to court to 1204 01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:27,720 Speaker 1: Centers and I paid them back the money. I paid everything, 1205 01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:30,600 Speaker 1: the penalties, everything you could think of. And so they 1206 01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:32,600 Speaker 1: still put me in jail for four months. And I 1207 01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:37,880 Speaker 1: remember in jail, I had this plan, but you have 1208 01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:41,280 Speaker 1: to get hot, like in your sense, you would have 1209 01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:44,480 Speaker 1: to get that. Jeremy Lyndon running to go get it right, 1210 01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:47,240 Speaker 1: Like Jeremy Lynden was like, So I'm sitting in there, 1211 01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:49,200 Speaker 1: I'm making the whole plan. Yo. Once this is I'm 1212 01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:51,080 Speaker 1: gonna open some sneaky stores. I'm gonna do this. I'm 1213 01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:54,080 Speaker 1: gonna invest in that. But I need to heat. So 1214 01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:56,440 Speaker 1: I didn't know all the way up was coming. So 1215 01:07:56,600 --> 01:07:58,440 Speaker 1: we went in the studio and we kept cooking and 1216 01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:01,720 Speaker 1: cooking and cooking, and we caught it. I was like, 1217 01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:04,560 Speaker 1: oh no, this is it. And it was big for 1218 01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:08,080 Speaker 1: my sister Remy because Remy had just did seven years 1219 01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:12,440 Speaker 1: in jail. So she came out. She was getting back 1220 01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:14,840 Speaker 1: in the thing. They told her every day when she 1221 01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:17,519 Speaker 1: was in jail that she would never be shipped that 1222 01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:20,280 Speaker 1: her fans ain't gonna believe in her, that she couldn't 1223 01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:22,880 Speaker 1: be nothing. And so we get together, we do all 1224 01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:27,000 Speaker 1: the way up, and the motherfucker just explodes and we 1225 01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:31,600 Speaker 1: never looked back. Nominated for a Grammy, we should have 1226 01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:37,160 Speaker 1: won that. I forget who who beat us? Black Eyed Peace, 1227 01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:39,679 Speaker 1: chance to rapper, like you know, you know, we y'all 1228 01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:41,800 Speaker 1: love a chance to wrapper, but that all the way 1229 01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:45,960 Speaker 1: up and the story behind it, you know, the story 1230 01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:50,160 Speaker 1: of people coming back from nothing and making it like 1231 01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:53,840 Speaker 1: we should have had that. Definitely, you've talked about, you know, 1232 01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:56,559 Speaker 1: sided or having big one of the biggest first shows, 1233 01:08:56,880 --> 01:09:00,880 Speaker 1: helping Calie. You've been very instrumental even you were now 1234 01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:03,240 Speaker 1: you're an o G. But in the process, throughout your 1235 01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:05,439 Speaker 1: whole career, you've always tried to put other people on. 1236 01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:08,360 Speaker 1: How important is that to you? It's just like you said, 1237 01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:10,800 Speaker 1: we all, we all even we got an obligation. Man. 1238 01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:13,000 Speaker 1: I think I'm just a vessel of hip hop culture. 1239 01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:17,720 Speaker 1: And if you hear somebody, whether it has financial gain 1240 01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:20,519 Speaker 1: or it doesn't. If I if I heard an artist 1241 01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:25,559 Speaker 1: right now, who's the next eminem and outside and he said, yeah, 1242 01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:27,360 Speaker 1: but I don't want to sign a youth fatial, I 1243 01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:30,400 Speaker 1: will probably give him three people's numbers that will sign 1244 01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:34,400 Speaker 1: them immediately, because it's just hip hop culture. You know, 1245 01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:38,400 Speaker 1: hip hop culture, man, you know, we gotta keep elevating, 1246 01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:41,800 Speaker 1: we gotta keep bringing the truth. We gotta you know, 1247 01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:44,599 Speaker 1: and and that's what it's about. For me. I've always 1248 01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:47,960 Speaker 1: wanted everybody to shine, you know, and my concept has 1249 01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:50,880 Speaker 1: always been, you know, the more of us that's winning, 1250 01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:53,640 Speaker 1: and the better position will be because if one of 1251 01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:56,439 Speaker 1: us stumble a four, we could pick him up. Somebody 1252 01:09:56,479 --> 01:09:58,960 Speaker 1: got to stay in position. And that's what I always say. 1253 01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:01,360 Speaker 1: If you're not out bringing somebody up and helping your 1254 01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:03,479 Speaker 1: brother get ahead, what we are here doing at this 1255 01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:06,679 Speaker 1: point in life. First of all, you're trying to save yourself. 1256 01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:09,479 Speaker 1: It's like that the airplane goes, throw the mask on yourself. 1257 01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:13,479 Speaker 1: Now you in position, you saved yourself, try to help 1258 01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:15,519 Speaker 1: of its you know what I'm saying that that's been 1259 01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:18,200 Speaker 1: my you know, that's one of my biggest things that 1260 01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:21,360 Speaker 1: I'm proud of is that, you know, I come from 1261 01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:25,040 Speaker 1: Bronx leving On the hospital. I grew up dead, bro poor. 1262 01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:31,120 Speaker 1: I might have singlehandedly help twenty different human beings that 1263 01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:36,439 Speaker 1: were poor to become millionaires and then trickle down effect 1264 01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:41,360 Speaker 1: they got everybody got jobs. My hundreds of jobs coming 1265 01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:43,360 Speaker 1: from putting these people on. And that that's the thing 1266 01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:46,720 Speaker 1: I'm probably most proud of at the end of the day, 1267 01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:50,720 Speaker 1: is the family tree and how everybody has succeeded, you know. 1268 01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:52,920 Speaker 1: And I don't want nothing from nobody, you know. I 1269 01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:56,080 Speaker 1: make my own money. I work hard for myself. Even 1270 01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:57,760 Speaker 1: if you gave it to me, I wouldn't take it, 1271 01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:00,280 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But I love of that. 1272 01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:03,360 Speaker 1: I could walk in Kalid's house and the fucking ceilings 1273 01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:05,559 Speaker 1: is to the moon and this white marble all over. 1274 01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:07,599 Speaker 1: I could walk in Cool and jameson. I could walk 1275 01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:09,600 Speaker 1: in Dmi's house and she gotta fucking pool in the 1276 01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:14,360 Speaker 1: middle of the house indoor. Man, she just ship and 1277 01:11:14,439 --> 01:11:16,400 Speaker 1: I'm sitting there and I'm like this, and they make 1278 01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:18,920 Speaker 1: me my little you know, my little bee friends, just 1279 01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:22,439 Speaker 1: shipping some rice and peas, and I sit down and 1280 01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:25,439 Speaker 1: then when the ladies acts, well, who's that? Why are 1281 01:11:25,479 --> 01:11:28,960 Speaker 1: you treating him like that? Yo? He didn't want to 1282 01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:32,519 Speaker 1: put him on. I'm telling you, I said, let me 1283 01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:36,120 Speaker 1: tell you something. I'm on vacation with Kalid and uh, 1284 01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:38,760 Speaker 1: this is crazy because he's gonna watch this right. But 1285 01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:41,280 Speaker 1: one of the ladies that worked for him, she was like, 1286 01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:44,400 Speaker 1: I know who you are. I was like, no, who 1287 01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:47,360 Speaker 1: are because you know I'm nice to everybody. You're the guy. 1288 01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:51,200 Speaker 1: You're the guy put them on and that that felt 1289 01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:53,400 Speaker 1: great to me because I'm like, damn when I'm not here. 1290 01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:56,840 Speaker 1: They talked like that, like, oh, you know, it's the guy, 1291 01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:58,800 Speaker 1: and I you know, I love that. You know what 1292 01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:00,880 Speaker 1: I'm saying. That's what it's all. That's why it's so 1293 01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:02,240 Speaker 1: important for us to get you on the shop. I mean, 1294 01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:04,920 Speaker 1: obviously you injext relationship and amazing we've we've met him 1295 01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:07,360 Speaker 1: passing if we've seen you at the fight, but just 1296 01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:09,240 Speaker 1: who you are and what you stand for, I mean 1297 01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:12,280 Speaker 1: we respecting this. I mean it's to be what you've 1298 01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:14,680 Speaker 1: gone through and came out alive and made it, like 1299 01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:17,080 Speaker 1: you said, helping people, just sending that positive energy out 1300 01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:20,840 Speaker 1: especially and in these days, it's it's so we needed 1301 01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:22,439 Speaker 1: to appreciate it. Man, So we want to thank you. 1302 01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:26,920 Speaker 1: We're not done, but I'm just you know, it's harder though. 1303 01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:28,880 Speaker 1: It's harder though, meth to touch on. What's it's harder 1304 01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:31,479 Speaker 1: when you known, you're so publicly known and you're so 1305 01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:34,320 Speaker 1: praise for the bullshit you know what I'm saying, for 1306 01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:36,760 Speaker 1: for for being that that dawn that you know what 1307 01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:39,120 Speaker 1: I'm saying, and to be able to switch and and 1308 01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:41,479 Speaker 1: to change for the better knowing that's that's the betterment 1309 01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:43,800 Speaker 1: for you and your whole family. It's not easy, bro, 1310 01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:45,880 Speaker 1: because you getting praised. You know what I'm saying. You 1311 01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:48,639 Speaker 1: get praise for what supp us to put the bullshit long. Yeah, 1312 01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:50,439 Speaker 1: you're known from that, you know what I'm saying. And 1313 01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:52,519 Speaker 1: to switch up for the betterment of yourself and not 1314 01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:56,000 Speaker 1: worried about the praise from it. That says a lot. Well, 1315 01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:59,280 Speaker 1: that's what it's all about, man blisting our people. You know, 1316 01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:02,400 Speaker 1: you out streets, you know what I'm saying. So it's 1317 01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:05,960 Speaker 1: it's all about the uplifting of people. And show these kids. 1318 01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:08,760 Speaker 1: You know, I have clothing stores in the middle of 1319 01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:12,800 Speaker 1: the hood about to open up another one, and you know, 1320 01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:15,280 Speaker 1: just to show these kids that you could make it 1321 01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:18,080 Speaker 1: about the hood, but you don't got to leave the hood. 1322 01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:22,160 Speaker 1: You could come back and pull people up or show 1323 01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:24,400 Speaker 1: them when I wear these jury it ain't to show 1324 01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:27,000 Speaker 1: you that I'm better than you is to inspire you 1325 01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:29,960 Speaker 1: to say, Dan, that's Joey from the Projects, he got it. 1326 01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:32,280 Speaker 1: I can get it. Why can I get it? Why 1327 01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:35,800 Speaker 1: do we have to live under these misconceptions that we 1328 01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:39,760 Speaker 1: can't get it, that we're not great? And when I say, 1329 01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:42,280 Speaker 1: I sit down with my guys, who they all rich, 1330 01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:46,120 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie to you. They're all doing well, right, 1331 01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:47,840 Speaker 1: And I sit down with them and I say, you 1332 01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:51,040 Speaker 1: know why, I'm gonna do this and this and this 1333 01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:54,160 Speaker 1: and this. Now after all the ship we talked about, 1334 01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:56,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this and this and this and this 1335 01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:59,240 Speaker 1: and this and watch. They'd be like, yo, you're crazy 1336 01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:02,360 Speaker 1: crack like you. I'm like, no, man, we got motherfucker's 1337 01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:06,240 Speaker 1: going to the fucking space. Now. Anything we do now, 1338 01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:09,439 Speaker 1: we're like not really doing it right. Like they flex 1339 01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:14,960 Speaker 1: the biggest They went to space. Motherfucker's in space flexing. 1340 01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:18,080 Speaker 1: Like we're like, yo, anything we do that, Oh you 1341 01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:21,000 Speaker 1: got another store? So what this guy with the space? 1342 01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:26,160 Speaker 1: But generate generation? That generating that wealth in our own neighborhoods, 1343 01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:27,840 Speaker 1: you know what, And that's what you're doing. And that's 1344 01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:29,360 Speaker 1: what a lot of people don't talk about you. Ain't 1345 01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:31,400 Speaker 1: like you can be from the hood. But bring that 1346 01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:33,760 Speaker 1: money back to your hood and start creating generational wealth 1347 01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:36,160 Speaker 1: in your own neighborhoods. The big power. And what I 1348 01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:41,200 Speaker 1: tell my employees is this is yours too. You're an owner. 1349 01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:44,439 Speaker 1: I don't want you working for me forever. I want 1350 01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:46,559 Speaker 1: to be able to help you get your own business. 1351 01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:48,840 Speaker 1: I want to be able to help you become a 1352 01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:53,280 Speaker 1: boss yourself. Shout shout out to our inherentson. Do it 1353 01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:57,600 Speaker 1: to oherentson killing them with the week? How special was 1354 01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:02,640 Speaker 1: the dog damn X? The dog you know DMX and 1355 01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:08,320 Speaker 1: pure soul? Uh? And through his whole life he was legend. 1356 01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:11,800 Speaker 1: Is so crazy man. Last night, I'm watching Rolling Loud 1357 01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:16,400 Speaker 1: right and and it's not shots at the Youth because 1358 01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:20,000 Speaker 1: I don't want I don't never want it to be shots. 1359 01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:23,559 Speaker 1: But I'm watching with my daughter Rolling Loud and uh, 1360 01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:27,840 Speaker 1: we're blasting it. We're watching it, and one of the 1361 01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:33,960 Speaker 1: biggest rappers in the world now, uh says, everybody, get ready, 1362 01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:37,720 Speaker 1: it's about to go down. I want you all to 1363 01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:41,040 Speaker 1: act up. It's gonna be crazy. And then he throws 1364 01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:43,280 Speaker 1: on this ship and he at the time and said 1365 01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:46,439 Speaker 1: even see tell even that, and I'm like, well, asked 1366 01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:50,760 Speaker 1: right there. In my day, that would have been a 1367 01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:54,519 Speaker 1: guy named DMX who said that. He would have said, stopped, 1368 01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:59,760 Speaker 1: show him down up. Motherfucker's would have hung off this 1369 01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:04,720 Speaker 1: died like, uh, you know you did that ship like 1370 01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:07,160 Speaker 1: you know you want a real mass fit, you want 1371 01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:09,519 Speaker 1: people when you want, you want My fucker's going crazy, 1372 01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:13,840 Speaker 1: honest with have said, shut him down, over honest with 1373 01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:18,760 Speaker 1: all thats HiT's trying to get alive. Fide you eat. 1374 01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:21,160 Speaker 1: Motherfucker's said, get ready for the most hardcore ship and 1375 01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:25,000 Speaker 1: they start singing ship, I don't want you want men due. 1376 01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:29,200 Speaker 1: I support the youth, support the ticket. I go with 1377 01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:31,439 Speaker 1: my daughter. I support the youth. I don't know what 1378 01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:36,559 Speaker 1: you know. So you asked me about DMX, it would 1379 01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:40,519 Speaker 1: have went down. It would have went down, like you know, 1380 01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:46,439 Speaker 1: I don't know, but rest in peace the dog the 1381 01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:49,640 Speaker 1: greatest I don't know if you pick this up, but 1382 01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:55,360 Speaker 1: the greatest funeral I ever seen. DMXS shout out to Swiss, 1383 01:16:55,479 --> 01:16:58,960 Speaker 1: the whole family, um, the city of New York for 1384 01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:02,360 Speaker 1: allowing d M actually drove his his call from from 1385 01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:07,120 Speaker 1: Yonker's to Brooklyn. If you're not from New York City. 1386 01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:12,240 Speaker 1: This was this was big like this, this was huge 1387 01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:15,160 Speaker 1: for them, locking down this whole city doing that. He 1388 01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:19,160 Speaker 1: had his funeral in Barkley's. Kanye West designed the ship 1389 01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:21,880 Speaker 1: like you know, they sent them out like nobody want 1390 01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:25,639 Speaker 1: to die, but we're all gonna die. But he died, 1391 01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:28,200 Speaker 1: and boy, they gave it up to him, you know, 1392 01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:32,120 Speaker 1: so shout out the dog man, Rest in peace. We 1393 01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:36,960 Speaker 1: also lost somebody just recently. Uh, Bis instrumental to the game, 1394 01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:41,040 Speaker 1: and that hurts big time because you know, when I 1395 01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:45,439 Speaker 1: was coming up like me and Stevie Business like me, 1396 01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:48,160 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So Bis believed in me 1397 01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:52,639 Speaker 1: before I believed in me. And you know, he would 1398 01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:55,360 Speaker 1: come to my hood and and and and show me 1399 01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:59,240 Speaker 1: love and and I did the Apolo Biz came and 1400 01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:03,080 Speaker 1: and he's always been like a mentor man and Biz 1401 01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:07,720 Speaker 1: he just loved everybody. And my favorite hip hop song 1402 01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:10,640 Speaker 1: of all time is the Vapors because I grew up 1403 01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:14,080 Speaker 1: so poor, I wanted people to catch the vapors and 1404 01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:19,000 Speaker 1: I gave him the Vapors. And you know, with Biz, 1405 01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:23,760 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know nobody who has a bad 1406 01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:27,120 Speaker 1: story about this. I've never seen a more perfect human being. 1407 01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:31,960 Speaker 1: And uh this ship that that that that that that man. 1408 01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:34,559 Speaker 1: I did some little kids ship man. When they told 1409 01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:38,000 Speaker 1: me he died, man, I just said, got up, started 1410 01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:41,240 Speaker 1: crying in the bathroom, and ship came back trying to 1411 01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:44,080 Speaker 1: come like I couldn't believe it, you know, and shout 1412 01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:47,320 Speaker 1: out to his wife. You know, I checked up on Biz. 1413 01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:51,439 Speaker 1: You know, you know while he as soon as he 1414 01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:54,639 Speaker 1: got sick last year, they said he was really really sick. 1415 01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:57,479 Speaker 1: I kept check calling his wife. Every time I called 1416 01:18:57,560 --> 01:19:00,200 Speaker 1: his wife, she was sitting right next to him in 1417 01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:04,160 Speaker 1: the hospital to COVID through everything, like Joe Biscuit, hear you, 1418 01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:08,519 Speaker 1: I'm right here, like you could randomly call up and 1419 01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:13,880 Speaker 1: she just right next to So Biz Biz died where 1420 01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:16,760 Speaker 1: his wife right next soon with the love I mean, 1421 01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:19,559 Speaker 1: we all don't want to die, but we at least 1422 01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:21,840 Speaker 1: we know he died loved, you know what I mean, 1423 01:19:21,960 --> 01:19:24,800 Speaker 1: with a woman that held him down and kept him 1424 01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:27,200 Speaker 1: one thousand with you know what I'm saying, but business, 1425 01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:31,479 Speaker 1: you know, uh, for my era as a fan, you know, 1426 01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:35,360 Speaker 1: it's just hard man, and we we don't want to 1427 01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:37,280 Speaker 1: let him go, you know what I'm saying. That's the 1428 01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:39,800 Speaker 1: b ir Z and I said to him, I called him. 1429 01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:43,640 Speaker 1: We did uh hip hop squares in the l A 1430 01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:45,240 Speaker 1: and I called him and I was like, yo, bis 1431 01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:48,240 Speaker 1: A trapped him in the room after big him up legendary, 1432 01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:50,240 Speaker 1: It's like yo. It was was like, why do you 1433 01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:53,800 Speaker 1: show me love? Why you showed me love? And he 1434 01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:56,400 Speaker 1: was like, I just knew you was special. I knew 1435 01:19:56,439 --> 01:19:59,840 Speaker 1: you was gonna blow. I knew it was something about you, no, 1436 01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,560 Speaker 1: I'm saying. And then that that's when I thought of 1437 01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:07,080 Speaker 1: our brother, because you know everything Street sixty, you know, 1438 01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:10,439 Speaker 1: I think about French Montana. When French Montana was trying 1439 01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:12,840 Speaker 1: to get on how I took his music to High 1440 01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:15,679 Speaker 1: ninety seven because I knew he deserved it the funk flex. 1441 01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:18,240 Speaker 1: They started playing it. A couple of months later, he 1442 01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:21,200 Speaker 1: was a superstar. You know what I'm saying. I guess 1443 01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:23,479 Speaker 1: Bids saw that same thing and me. He was like, y'all, 1444 01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:26,800 Speaker 1: Joe gonna be you know when I didn't know, well, 1445 01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:29,920 Speaker 1: I didn't see it. You know. There's something that they 1446 01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:33,040 Speaker 1: do to me that bugs me out is every time 1447 01:20:33,080 --> 01:20:36,719 Speaker 1: I come out with it all the way up or crack. 1448 01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:38,840 Speaker 1: I knew you had it. I knew you was gonna 1449 01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:41,000 Speaker 1: give him another one. You always come. I'm like shit, 1450 01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:43,280 Speaker 1: how you know, because I ain't know, like I was 1451 01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:46,360 Speaker 1: busting my bubble praying for this joint, right, you know, 1452 01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:50,400 Speaker 1: and you know it's like that. I saw I saw 1453 01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:52,479 Speaker 1: an article and she said that when he his first 1454 01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:54,519 Speaker 1: got six and said Joe Carden checked on him almost 1455 01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:56,720 Speaker 1: every week and I would go back on deal Mix. 1456 01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:59,639 Speaker 1: I never met d M Mix but two weeks before 1457 01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:02,400 Speaker 1: he died. H I was an ice box jewelry and 1458 01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:04,760 Speaker 1: he walked in there and I got a tattoo, had 1459 01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:06,920 Speaker 1: a tattoo on him that says, my life ain't long. 1460 01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:09,280 Speaker 1: I thank God with my last breath, so my life 1461 01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:11,880 Speaker 1: ain't wrong. And I got that from him in two 1462 01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:14,680 Speaker 1: weeks and I never met him in two weeks now 1463 01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:16,200 Speaker 1: to get a chance because I was I was like 1464 01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:18,120 Speaker 1: a little kid, you know what I'm saying. When he 1465 01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:19,719 Speaker 1: walked up to me, knew I was not just sugar 1466 01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:21,160 Speaker 1: his hand, like what's up? Man? Say man, I'm a 1467 01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:24,280 Speaker 1: big fan. And I couldn't even what you want. I 1468 01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:26,439 Speaker 1: couldn't even think to say it to it right. But 1469 01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:28,360 Speaker 1: in two weeks later he died and I knew that 1470 01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:30,240 Speaker 1: would number God give me a chance to meet somebody 1471 01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:34,880 Speaker 1: who I looked up. Happens all the time. That happens 1472 01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:38,719 Speaker 1: all the time. You made several transitions from the streets 1473 01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:43,400 Speaker 1: to music, to family, to father to entrepreneur, businessman. What 1474 01:21:43,479 --> 01:21:51,320 Speaker 1: have you learned about this journey? It is never over, um, 1475 01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:53,639 Speaker 1: and we got to play this all the way out. 1476 01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:58,040 Speaker 1: And you only get one life and make it a 1477 01:21:58,120 --> 01:22:01,559 Speaker 1: special one. You know, some people settled when they live 1478 01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:06,760 Speaker 1: visible lives and they want they settled from mediocracy. That's 1479 01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:09,840 Speaker 1: not me, you know what I mean. I'm I said 1480 01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:12,479 Speaker 1: it to my brothers all the time. I am bugsy segue. 1481 01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:14,840 Speaker 1: I would have went to I would have went to 1482 01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:17,160 Speaker 1: the desert in Las Vegas and said, Yo, I can 1483 01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:21,080 Speaker 1: make a casino here. What is it? Man? What we do? 1484 01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:23,760 Speaker 1: We came already under doors, We came already not to 1485 01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:27,120 Speaker 1: supposed to win. What's what's wrong with trying? What what's wrong? 1486 01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:29,519 Speaker 1: We're going for it? Like you know what I'm saying? 1487 01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:32,120 Speaker 1: Like like what are we doing? You know what I'm saying? 1488 01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:36,800 Speaker 1: And so with life. You know, when it comes to fatherhood, 1489 01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:43,200 Speaker 1: kids are all different. They're different dna s, they're different parenting. 1490 01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:46,280 Speaker 1: I don't think nobody teaches you at a parent. You 1491 01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:47,800 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I think we just judge what 1492 01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:50,320 Speaker 1: our mothers and fathers did right or wrong, and we 1493 01:22:50,439 --> 01:22:54,280 Speaker 1: try to do the best we can. And so, uh, 1494 01:22:55,240 --> 01:22:59,040 Speaker 1: you know that's what that is. What's up coming towards 1495 01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:02,720 Speaker 1: the end, Um talk to us about you you had 1496 01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:04,600 Speaker 1: a little acting bug. Talk to us about getting on 1497 01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:06,559 Speaker 1: the big screen. What's that been like for you? Man? 1498 01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:10,280 Speaker 1: I did She's Gotta Have It two seasons. Shout out 1499 01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:14,400 Speaker 1: to Spike Lee for saving my life. Uh, I always 1500 01:23:14,479 --> 01:23:18,280 Speaker 1: knew he would. Um. You know, I like to act 1501 01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:20,280 Speaker 1: my whole life. I tell people I've been acting my 1502 01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:24,639 Speaker 1: whole life. I remember the time I walked into Relativity Records. 1503 01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:26,560 Speaker 1: I was a nineteen year old kid. They sat me 1504 01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:29,560 Speaker 1: down with ten Jewish guys around the table and I 1505 01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:32,320 Speaker 1: had to convince them why they should give me a dollar. 1506 01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:35,520 Speaker 1: And I'm from the Bronx. I was acting my assholes. 1507 01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:38,200 Speaker 1: I was sitting in there, well you know this this 1508 01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:41,120 Speaker 1: this So we always been acting. Now we just do 1509 01:23:41,240 --> 01:23:45,400 Speaker 1: it on the screen. You know, Night School, the movie Empire, 1510 01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:51,800 Speaker 1: a couple of nice school was crazy and that was 1511 01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:54,479 Speaker 1: nice school, believe it or not. Was hard. Work man, 1512 01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:58,479 Speaker 1: because yeah, because I really ain't have no juice there, 1513 01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:00,559 Speaker 1: you know, like him, I show up, I'm fat Joe 1514 01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:03,559 Speaker 1: the rapper. Right when you show up there, you're a worker. 1515 01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:08,559 Speaker 1: And and we was getting up at six in the morning, right, 1516 01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:12,120 Speaker 1: and we was outset and they will call me to 1517 01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:14,960 Speaker 1: do my scene at ten o'clock at night. So were 1518 01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:21,080 Speaker 1: in there for like fourteen hours doing not Wow. Then 1519 01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:23,679 Speaker 1: we do our seen when we're tired and everything where 1520 01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:30,280 Speaker 1: you gotta win, just you gotta yeah, you gotta use 1521 01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:35,960 Speaker 1: this jection, you gotta use this joint. Hey, you know, right, 1522 01:24:36,280 --> 01:24:38,920 Speaker 1: And then by the time you finish that, they take 1523 01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:41,479 Speaker 1: you to the hotel one two in the morning, you 1524 01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:44,479 Speaker 1: take a quick shower, they wake you back up at six. 1525 01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:47,559 Speaker 1: Let's row. We kept doing this shift for like two 1526 01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:51,080 Speaker 1: months every day. Then I couldn't complain. It's similar to y'all, 1527 01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:53,759 Speaker 1: if y'all play basketball now, you can't complain that Kobe's 1528 01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:57,080 Speaker 1: putting in the work. So I can't complain if Kevin 1529 01:24:57,200 --> 01:24:59,560 Speaker 1: Hart the biggest superstar in the world, it's doing the 1530 01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:02,760 Speaker 1: same for twenty hours every day. Hey, y'all, what's up? 1531 01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:06,679 Speaker 1: Oh you thought the movies was a joke? You want 1532 01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:10,560 Speaker 1: to go wrap. You want to go test the town. No, 1533 01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:13,720 Speaker 1: that's not what we're doing here. We're here, man. He 1534 01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:16,960 Speaker 1: had the flu, not the COVID. This is four years ago, right, 1535 01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:19,759 Speaker 1: rich You had the flu in the in the trailer 1536 01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:23,080 Speaker 1: killing him. He was in the trailer. And then I 1537 01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:25,360 Speaker 1: caught it at the end when when we finished that 1538 01:25:25,439 --> 01:25:28,720 Speaker 1: ship was crazy. Let me this, the outtakes and the 1539 01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:32,960 Speaker 1: jokes on set during the movie set was better than 1540 01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:35,960 Speaker 1: the set. Yeah yeah, yeah. Then they bucked out. They 1541 01:25:36,040 --> 01:25:38,719 Speaker 1: made it a PG thirteen movie and made a hunted million. 1542 01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:42,519 Speaker 1: So I understand the business concept, but had they let 1543 01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:44,840 Speaker 1: the curses and the real shift, that would have been 1544 01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:47,400 Speaker 1: one of the greatest movies. An I got a chance 1545 01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:48,800 Speaker 1: to work with Kevin Hard I think like a man, 1546 01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:50,680 Speaker 1: So all the outtakes and ships and ship, he just 1547 01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:53,760 Speaker 1: normally like he is. It took us like two and 1548 01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:56,040 Speaker 1: a half hour to shoot like a two minute basketball 1549 01:25:56,040 --> 01:25:58,920 Speaker 1: to thirty second basketball scene. Like he was talking joke, 1550 01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:01,240 Speaker 1: he could really play two can shift there everyone jumping 1551 01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:03,519 Speaker 1: on people just being crazy, Like the energy was crazy 1552 01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:08,840 Speaker 1: the whole entire time. So you said, you know, the 1553 01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:11,960 Speaker 1: social media is a young man's game. You started your 1554 01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:14,720 Speaker 1: product your your show kind of based off just going 1555 01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:16,840 Speaker 1: on I g Live every night and talking and you know, 1556 01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:19,120 Speaker 1: I was tuning in and then now you turn that 1557 01:26:19,240 --> 01:26:22,080 Speaker 1: into the Fat Joe Show. Talked to us just about 1558 01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:23,840 Speaker 1: your thought process of getting that started. What has been 1559 01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:26,320 Speaker 1: like for you. Let's started with my boss was behind 1560 01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:31,280 Speaker 1: the cameras. She's always is my daughter as he as. 1561 01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:34,800 Speaker 1: We were scared to death because of COVID. I'm telling 1562 01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:36,160 Speaker 1: you the truth. I'm one of the guys that was 1563 01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:39,519 Speaker 1: really scared to death. The epicenter was in New York City. 1564 01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:42,400 Speaker 1: People were dying. People I grew up when we were 1565 01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:46,479 Speaker 1: dying every day for them. I'm in no disrespect the 1566 01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:50,520 Speaker 1: cameraman's I knew from New York. They were dying like everybody. 1567 01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:53,479 Speaker 1: The security at the clubs, they were all dying, like 1568 01:26:53,680 --> 01:26:55,960 Speaker 1: just dying and dying. We see people every day, but 1569 01:26:56,040 --> 01:26:58,240 Speaker 1: we don't know they got underlying conditions. In my line, 1570 01:26:59,400 --> 01:27:04,760 Speaker 1: like the security, everybody they coming yo shahn, this one died, 1571 01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:07,360 Speaker 1: this one, this one every day. So I'm in the 1572 01:27:07,479 --> 01:27:12,080 Speaker 1: house terrified because fat guys were done. So I'm sitting 1573 01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:15,400 Speaker 1: there like this and said, damn, they're gonna finish me. 1574 01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:20,240 Speaker 1: They're finishing me. No, not real talk. I said, they 1575 01:27:20,360 --> 01:27:22,680 Speaker 1: found the way, bro, I said, damn, and the God 1576 01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:27,760 Speaker 1: got me out of the invisible, the invisible uh enemy right. 1577 01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:30,240 Speaker 1: And then uh, my daughter was like, why don't you 1578 01:27:30,280 --> 01:27:32,479 Speaker 1: go on live? I had never really went on live before. 1579 01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:33,720 Speaker 1: I was like, what you mean? She was like, YO, 1580 01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:36,439 Speaker 1: just talked to the fans. So I went on live 1581 01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:39,320 Speaker 1: and everybody, just thousands of fans came and they was 1582 01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:44,240 Speaker 1: asking for We was talking. And then the next day, 1583 01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:46,439 Speaker 1: at eight o'clock at night, Dre was like, yo, what's up? 1584 01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:48,479 Speaker 1: No fat Joe char I said, what you're talking about? 1585 01:27:48,479 --> 01:27:51,360 Speaker 1: He was like, yesterday that ship was dope. So the 1586 01:27:51,479 --> 01:27:54,360 Speaker 1: next day I go on there eight o'clock, same time, 1587 01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:57,519 Speaker 1: and then more of our friends start jumping on it 1588 01:27:57,600 --> 01:27:59,920 Speaker 1: and more. This ship was just getting out of control. 1589 01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:03,000 Speaker 1: One day I had Mike Tyson. The ship was like 1590 01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:06,040 Speaker 1: ad but everybody was stuck home and they wanted to uh, 1591 01:28:06,560 --> 01:28:09,000 Speaker 1: they wanted to talk or something. So it was like, 1592 01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:14,360 Speaker 1: who's that, Oh Joe got something? Everybody you could think of, 1593 01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:17,080 Speaker 1: what Patti Labell, whoever you want? Was up all that 1594 01:28:17,160 --> 01:28:21,200 Speaker 1: month just coming boom boom boom, and it turned into 1595 01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:23,920 Speaker 1: the big, big, show, and then we we wanted to 1596 01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:28,680 Speaker 1: make sure, uh it was always about positive about up 1597 01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:31,920 Speaker 1: lift man about you know, we we didn't had the 1598 01:28:32,040 --> 01:28:37,280 Speaker 1: King of Domestic Violence on there, that everything, doctors, everybody 1599 01:28:37,320 --> 01:28:39,120 Speaker 1: who can help you with what was going on because 1600 01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:46,200 Speaker 1: none of us knew this happened. Your man Andrew Yang's 1601 01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:48,120 Speaker 1: up there and going to Corey book and they're going 1602 01:28:48,200 --> 01:28:50,240 Speaker 1: for president. Tolkd about vote for me on the show. 1603 01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:54,200 Speaker 1: One night, Michelle Obama was in the comments. I almost fainted. 1604 01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:57,120 Speaker 1: She's like, hey, fat Joe, how are you guys? And 1605 01:28:57,280 --> 01:29:00,720 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, ship, like this is going down. I've 1606 01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:05,439 Speaker 1: been on that ye, yes, even even I've been on 1607 01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:09,800 Speaker 1: ye hey man, quick hitters. First thing to come to mind. 1608 01:29:10,240 --> 01:29:13,400 Speaker 1: Let us know five top five in your opinion New 1609 01:29:13,479 --> 01:29:20,040 Speaker 1: York artists, New York artists horrible. I should have did 1610 01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:22,760 Speaker 1: the Bronx non no, but that the hard is a 1611 01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:27,200 Speaker 1: horrible question. World have been easier. But top five New 1612 01:29:27,320 --> 01:29:32,280 Speaker 1: York rappers. Man, that's hard, that's that's rock Kim, that's 1613 01:29:32,439 --> 01:29:35,479 Speaker 1: nas As, Jay is Biggie And I'm gonna put punt 1614 01:29:35,560 --> 01:29:40,360 Speaker 1: in there. Now, give me five your top five all time, 1615 01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:44,479 Speaker 1: all time? What would be? What would big l be 1616 01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:49,519 Speaker 1: in that big girls in there. You know that's my man. 1617 01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:53,880 Speaker 1: He's you know, people don't understand. It's so crazy. Fat 1618 01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:57,240 Speaker 1: Joe's digging in the crates with Big Al and I'm 1619 01:29:57,360 --> 01:30:00,560 Speaker 1: Terror Squad with Big Punt. This is not easy to 1620 01:30:00,640 --> 01:30:03,360 Speaker 1: be rapping with these guys on songs like. These guys 1621 01:30:03,360 --> 01:30:06,160 Speaker 1: are like the elite level, Big Yellow be there like 1622 01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:10,320 Speaker 1: uh top I say, from ten to fifteen. To be 1623 01:30:10,479 --> 01:30:13,320 Speaker 1: honest with you, you know what I'm saying, because he 1624 01:30:13,479 --> 01:30:16,720 Speaker 1: died too young. I mean lyrically he was. He was 1625 01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:19,880 Speaker 1: a beast beast beast beast peace. But we're talking about 1626 01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:22,400 Speaker 1: the whole thing. I mean, I'll stick with my same 1627 01:30:22,560 --> 01:30:26,479 Speaker 1: um at the same five. I told you that's how 1628 01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:29,519 Speaker 1: I feel today. If you could have one message on 1629 01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:36,840 Speaker 1: the billboard, what would it be? Believe in yourself. That's something. 1630 01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:39,840 Speaker 1: Believe in yourself. I believe in yourself. Man, who else 1631 01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:42,519 Speaker 1: gonna believe me? If you don't top five New York 1632 01:30:42,640 --> 01:30:49,800 Speaker 1: athletes the grades of the grades. Uh listen, man, somebody 1633 01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:52,160 Speaker 1: was gets a bad rapper was incredible with step On 1634 01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:55,599 Speaker 1: more Berry. Step On was one of the greatest stories 1635 01:30:55,640 --> 01:31:01,160 Speaker 1: in New York history. Starberry, Starberry, we got Starberry. Uh, 1636 01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:08,839 Speaker 1: we got Carmelo, We got Starberry, we got Karmelo, Mark Jackson, 1637 01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:18,880 Speaker 1: Roder Strickland. Um. I want to say say Kwan Barkley, 1638 01:31:18,960 --> 01:31:21,080 Speaker 1: but he didn't really do much because he's been hurt. 1639 01:31:21,439 --> 01:31:27,599 Speaker 1: That's one thing I hate man injuries in sports, right, great, 1640 01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:31,240 Speaker 1: Like that's actually a part of it, right, Like when 1641 01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:33,200 Speaker 1: you signed up, you know I'm gonna get hurt. Somebody's 1642 01:31:33,439 --> 01:31:36,600 Speaker 1: get hurt. Not you, but somebody. It's horrible, like like 1643 01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:39,599 Speaker 1: Richards into football. Every game I see four guys break 1644 01:31:39,640 --> 01:31:42,600 Speaker 1: their knees. I want to know how the hell this happens? Like, 1645 01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:45,120 Speaker 1: what's gonna happen? Like there is normal to the coach. 1646 01:31:45,200 --> 01:31:47,880 Speaker 1: Gotta keep coaching. You see a guy for you know, 1647 01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:51,840 Speaker 1: I was in San Antonio. I don't think he was there. 1648 01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:55,360 Speaker 1: I was there and I went to see Tony Parker, 1649 01:31:56,240 --> 01:31:59,400 Speaker 1: and I forget what was that player When he went 1650 01:31:59,479 --> 01:32:02,200 Speaker 1: up to dull he fell on his back. I'm not 1651 01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:05,360 Speaker 1: sure he made it. He played for sant Antonio. Y'all 1652 01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:08,759 Speaker 1: don't remember who I'm talking about. There was a player 1653 01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:11,920 Speaker 1: from San Antonio. I was at the game courtside. He 1654 01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:15,719 Speaker 1: went for dunk. He felt like on his neck head 1655 01:32:15,840 --> 01:32:19,040 Speaker 1: that they took him out of the stretcher and the 1656 01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:21,439 Speaker 1: coach gotta still coach like, hey, all right, go ahead, 1657 01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:24,840 Speaker 1: Matt Barnes like like that ship is crazy to be 1658 01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:30,320 Speaker 1: Like the injuries they mess up the game man, right, 1659 01:32:30,640 --> 01:32:34,479 Speaker 1: It's like you'd be like, wow, the other team, like 1660 01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:37,360 Speaker 1: you gotta take advantage of it. No, no, no, that's 1661 01:32:37,439 --> 01:32:40,280 Speaker 1: that's a goal. Like you see all I want to 1662 01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:42,960 Speaker 1: see P three to win the chip the o g 1663 01:32:44,120 --> 01:32:48,240 Speaker 1: you know, and then remember he had the COVID ship 1664 01:32:51,880 --> 01:32:54,280 Speaker 1: of stuff. I hate that ship, man. I hate when 1665 01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:57,040 Speaker 1: when when players get injuries. Man, I don't know why, 1666 01:32:58,240 --> 01:33:01,000 Speaker 1: but it is. I realized it's a part of the game, 1667 01:33:01,120 --> 01:33:04,840 Speaker 1: Like they pay them to get hurt. Like that's part 1668 01:33:04,880 --> 01:33:07,320 Speaker 1: of it. You know you're gonna get hurt and you 1669 01:33:07,400 --> 01:33:10,680 Speaker 1: gotta sit down. There's nothing you can do. You're sitting there, 1670 01:33:10,760 --> 01:33:17,760 Speaker 1: you're inside, and everybody goes through it. Top five Top 1671 01:33:17,800 --> 01:33:26,479 Speaker 1: five favorite NY films Bronx, Tail the Warriors, Uh, Bronze, 1672 01:33:26,520 --> 01:33:30,360 Speaker 1: tell the Warriors, I'm gonna go. Uh, I'm going real 1673 01:33:30,479 --> 01:33:35,400 Speaker 1: old school. Um oh, don't forget one. Do the right thing. 1674 01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:39,200 Speaker 1: Spright Lee, King of New York and New Jack City 1675 01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:44,519 Speaker 1: to nah, an honorary mention because we watch it every 1676 01:33:44,600 --> 01:33:48,599 Speaker 1: night in the studio. Belly Belly was an underrated movie. 1677 01:33:50,240 --> 01:33:53,280 Speaker 1: Belly was an underrated movie that years later you're like, yo, 1678 01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:58,400 Speaker 1: this ship was five Yeah, five dinner guests that are alive, 1679 01:33:59,160 --> 01:34:02,080 Speaker 1: five dinner that are a lot well, you know, whenever 1680 01:34:02,160 --> 01:34:04,320 Speaker 1: you give me a dinner that or a lot of 1681 01:34:04,360 --> 01:34:07,479 Speaker 1: I'm gonna mention part I'm gonna mention Biggie might as 1682 01:34:07,479 --> 01:34:12,679 Speaker 1: well have pop up in that motherfucker. Uh. Luther Van Joys, 1683 01:34:13,680 --> 01:34:21,719 Speaker 1: you know, uh, and Michael Jackson right there right probably 1684 01:34:21,720 --> 01:34:23,600 Speaker 1: want the best answers we even had. Yeah, that's a 1685 01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:26,040 Speaker 1: good one. If we can have one game, you can 1686 01:34:26,080 --> 01:34:28,439 Speaker 1: have one guest on All the Smoke? Who would it be? 1687 01:34:29,080 --> 01:34:30,479 Speaker 1: But you have to help us get your answer on 1688 01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:38,599 Speaker 1: the show you mentioned you mentioned like three a great gimmick. Yeah, 1689 01:34:39,479 --> 01:34:42,240 Speaker 1: I got a great gimmick. I don't know this guy, 1690 01:34:44,160 --> 01:34:46,679 Speaker 1: but it would be amazing to have Dr dre on there. 1691 01:34:48,080 --> 01:34:50,920 Speaker 1: I don't I know him like you, I can't really 1692 01:34:51,000 --> 01:34:57,600 Speaker 1: hook you up. But if you add Dr Drake, you know, 1693 01:34:57,680 --> 01:35:01,360 Speaker 1: there's certain guys who have kept this mystique to him 1694 01:35:02,680 --> 01:35:05,439 Speaker 1: where we hear about them, the stories the game might 1695 01:35:05,600 --> 01:35:09,320 Speaker 1: say or stories that a cube, but somebody might say, 1696 01:35:09,760 --> 01:35:12,679 Speaker 1: but Dr Dre himself, I don't think I've ever seen 1697 01:35:12,760 --> 01:35:17,360 Speaker 1: that in depth. I haven't either interview with Dr Dre 1698 01:35:17,560 --> 01:35:20,360 Speaker 1: talking about what he met eminem for the first time 1699 01:35:20,439 --> 01:35:26,280 Speaker 1: when he met Nick Lamart easy. I never heard Dr 1700 01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:29,960 Speaker 1: Dre say it himself. Dog. And we've got a lot 1701 01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:31,920 Speaker 1: of shows, Joe. We're coming up on our Hunters show 1702 01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:34,720 Speaker 1: pretty soon. But I have to say this is hands down, 1703 01:35:34,840 --> 01:35:36,840 Speaker 1: been one of the best ones man. So of course 1704 01:35:36,920 --> 01:35:48,719 Speaker 1: it was early birthday too. We're looking good. God shining 1705 01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:53,679 Speaker 1: on them, man. Thank You's wrap fat Joe, all the smoke. 1706 01:35:57,320 --> 01:36:00,400 Speaker 1: Don't forget you for the beautiful man in your life. 1707 01:36:00,680 --> 01:36:03,400 Speaker 1: Pretty boy, missed. I got something. I got something for 1708 01:36:03,520 --> 01:36:08,080 Speaker 1: you too. I got some talking. You're fucking with us 1709 01:36:09,400 --> 01:36:12,360 Speaker 1: talking breaking brad Man. We love you, talko man. Thank 1710 01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:15,120 Speaker 1: you guys for finding this on Showtime Basketball YouTube and 1711 01:36:15,160 --> 01:36:17,680 Speaker 1: the Heart platform Black Effects. 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