WEBVTT - Is Hypnotism Real?

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, Welcome to Sign Stuff, a production of iHeartRadio. My

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<v Speaker 1>name is Jorge cham and you are getting sleepier and sleepier.

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<v Speaker 1>You are going to listen to this episode all the

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<v Speaker 1>way to the end because we are answering the question

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<v Speaker 1>is hypnotism real? Does it really work like we see

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<v Speaker 1>in the movies with a swinging pocket watch? And can

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<v Speaker 1>you use it to get someone to do things without

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<v Speaker 1>their knowledge. We're going to talk to two hypnotism experts

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<v Speaker 1>who are going to step us through how it works

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<v Speaker 1>and what the most common misconceptions about it are. And

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<v Speaker 1>then in the end, you're both going to hypnotize me.

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<v Speaker 1>So focus on my voice, let yourself go and join

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<v Speaker 1>me as we answer the question is hypnotism real?

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<v Speaker 2>Hey?

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone, Okay, today's episode has a gimmick, and that is

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<v Speaker 1>that I ask two hypnotism experts to hypnotize me. We're

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<v Speaker 1>going to see which one was able to do it. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>The word hypnosis comes from Hypnos, the Greek god of sleep,

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<v Speaker 1>who in mythology is also the twin brother of death

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<v Speaker 1>and the father of dreams. But what most people think

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<v Speaker 1>when they hear the word hypnosis came from a German

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<v Speaker 1>doctor named Franz Mesmer in the late seventeen hundreds. Mesmer

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<v Speaker 1>was a bit of a cult leader who claimed he

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<v Speaker 1>could control a cosmic energy he called animal magnetism using

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<v Speaker 1>simple magnets. He would enthrall audiences with demonstrations of curing

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<v Speaker 1>people from things like headaches, stomach problems, and even paralysis

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<v Speaker 1>and seizures. If you've heard the word mesmerizing, Franz Mesmer

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<v Speaker 1>is where it comes from. He would hold sessions where

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<v Speaker 1>people would sit in a circle and hold bars of

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<v Speaker 1>iron connected to a big tup of water that Mesmer

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<v Speaker 1>claimed had this magnetic energy. Mesmer would then walk around

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<v Speaker 1>talking to the participate, and after about an hour or so,

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<v Speaker 1>some patients would feint, others would fall into a trance,

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<v Speaker 1>and others would start to convolt or shake. Afterwards, the

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<v Speaker 1>patients would claim to be cured of their ailments. Mesmer

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<v Speaker 1>became so famous the King of France, Louis the sixteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>hired an elite team of investigators to find out if

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<v Speaker 1>Mesmer was real or a fraud. The people he assembled

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<v Speaker 1>were like the avengers of signs at the time. They

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<v Speaker 1>included Antoine de la Boissier, the father of modern chemistry,

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<v Speaker 1>Joseph Ignaz Guillotine, who invented the guillotine, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>led by none other than Ben Franklin, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>founding fathers of the United States, who at the time

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<v Speaker 1>was the US ambassador to France. The group was called

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<v Speaker 1>and part of my French here Les Commissier Charge parla

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<v Speaker 1>Roux de le xamin to Magnetism ANEMA, or the Royal

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<v Speaker 1>Commission on Animal Magnetism, and they did what is considered

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<v Speaker 1>to be the first ever controlled clinical trial. They designed

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<v Speaker 1>this series of experiments where they would put test subjects

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<v Speaker 1>alone in a room or behind the curtain, and then

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<v Speaker 1>they would tell the patient they were being magnetized when

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<v Speaker 1>really they were not, or they would have one of

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<v Speaker 1>Mesmer's men try to magnetize the patient without telling the patient.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what's now known as a blind study. As

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<v Speaker 1>you might expect, Ben Franklin and the team of scientists

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<v Speaker 1>found that there is no such thing as animal magnetism

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<v Speaker 1>and that the effects people reported were mostly due to

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<v Speaker 1>their imagination, the power of suggestion, and peer pressure. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>the first person I brought in to hypnotize me is

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<v Speaker 1>doctor anuche Zaheti. Doctor Zaheedi is a researcher in the

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<v Speaker 1>Department of Psychology at the University of Munster in Germany,

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<v Speaker 1>and he has written several papers on the science of hypnosis.

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<v Speaker 1>Before we got started, though, I was curious to know

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<v Speaker 1>how he got interested in this subject. Here's what he said,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for joining us.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much for inviting me. I'm very happy

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<v Speaker 2>to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>You haven't hypnotized me. Now, I just want to make sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Not yet, not yet. I'm trying, but not yet.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, what got you interested in the topic

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<v Speaker 1>of hypnosis?

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<v Speaker 2>So I was trying to find the topic from my

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<v Speaker 2>massive thesis. At the time. I was very skeptical about hypnosis. So,

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<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, I wanted to prove that hypnosis is not

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<v Speaker 2>going to work. And then I participated in some course

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<v Speaker 2>program introducing me to hypnosis, and then went and saw that,

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<v Speaker 2>oh it might be effective. And by the end of it,

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<v Speaker 2>I was very much actually interested in surprised by things

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<v Speaker 2>that I just saw by the power of mind. Led

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<v Speaker 2>just say that I was hooked.

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<v Speaker 1>So you were a skeptic and then suddenly you believed

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<v Speaker 1>in it. It sounds a little suspicious, sounds like maybe

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<v Speaker 1>they hypnotized you.

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<v Speaker 2>They definitely ritized. In that program, I started to think

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<v Speaker 2>about hypnosis based on stuff that I saw in public

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<v Speaker 2>media right through TV series. You will just get hypnotized.

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<v Speaker 2>You start to disclose all the sensitive information you had

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<v Speaker 2>ever in your life, and then by the end of it,

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to be very dangerous for you. But as

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<v Speaker 2>we went through the whole course, it became more clear

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<v Speaker 2>that I just got the whole concept wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>These days, according to doctors a heady, hypnotism is mostly

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<v Speaker 1>seen as a form of therapy. Let's say you want

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<v Speaker 1>to feel more confident in your life, or you want

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<v Speaker 1>to get rid of some phobia or fear that you have,

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<v Speaker 1>or let's say you want to lose weight or break

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<v Speaker 1>a habit like smoking, then hypnosis might be for you.

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<v Speaker 1>There are studies that have found that hypnotherapy can work

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<v Speaker 1>as a way to help you change your behavior. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>how doctors a heady defines hypnosis.

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<v Speaker 2>At the moment hypnosis, if you want to defind, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a procedure that two people are some experimenter, the hypnotice,

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<v Speaker 2>the clinician, whatever you want to call. The person will

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<v Speaker 2>give another person the participants, some suggestions and participants will

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<v Speaker 2>just listen to these suggestions. Imagine with the hypnotics and

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<v Speaker 2>think about these suggestions, and through this process, the participant

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<v Speaker 2>is going to have a perception that is semi different

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<v Speaker 2>from your normal perception. And this altered perception, altered cognition,

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<v Speaker 2>would be very interesting for everyone. So it's an opportunity

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<v Speaker 2>to change your frameworks in order to see things differently.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll get to how hypnosis works a little later. But

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<v Speaker 1>another interesting application of hypnosis is in pain management. If

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<v Speaker 1>you have chronic pain, or if you're going to go

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<v Speaker 1>through a painful medical procedure, it might help to get hypnotized.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what God. The second expert I brought in

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<v Speaker 1>to hypnotize me, doctor Dali Jaja, interested in hypnosis. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you doctor Jajah for joining us here today. Am

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<v Speaker 1>I hypnotized right now? Have you already hypnotized me?

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone asked this question. Now you need to want to

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<v Speaker 3>be hypnotized. What did to work?

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<v Speaker 1>Can you tell us who you are and what you do?

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<v Speaker 2>So?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a pharmacy, hypnotherapist and researcher. I have an infel

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<v Speaker 3>in the Faculty of Medicine from the University of Queensland

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<v Speaker 3>and especially certificate in clinical research from the University of Madman.

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<v Speaker 3>I have around seven publications about theories of hypnosis and misconceptions.

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<v Speaker 3>I mainly focused on medical hypnosis for pain. For example,

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<v Speaker 3>hypnosis has a potential benefits for children's procedureal pain and distress.

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<v Speaker 3>Also the traumas that children go through can be prevented.

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<v Speaker 1>So what's the situation. There's a patient like a child,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were going through some procedure and you would

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<v Speaker 1>be there applying hypnosis to them.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So for example, with someone having you to extraction,

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<v Speaker 3>I did hypnosis. So the session started before the procedure,

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<v Speaker 3>and when the procedure was being performed, the patient was

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<v Speaker 3>already in a hypnotics state, in any laxed state, imagining

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<v Speaker 3>pleasant scenes. And then when the proceed was over, the

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<v Speaker 3>patient didn't have to go through the trauma the fear

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<v Speaker 3>of being ather dentist. No anesthesia was used.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, So hypnotism can be used to basically block out pain.

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<v Speaker 1>I asked doctor Jajah, what are some of the other

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<v Speaker 1>misconceptions people have about hypnotism? Now, you said there are

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of definitions out there and a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>misconceptions about hypnosis. What are some of the common misconceptions.

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<v Speaker 3>A common methace hyprocess is a sleep like state, and

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<v Speaker 3>movies you see people undergoing hypnosis as if they're sleeping

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<v Speaker 3>or an a state of somnambilism or reduced awareness, while

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<v Speaker 3>in fact hypnosis is distinct from sleep, as hypnotized individuals

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<v Speaker 3>remain aware of their surroundings and they can even leave

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<v Speaker 3>hypnosis at any time. And some misconceptions that hypnosis involves

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<v Speaker 3>robot like automatic responding without being able to resist suggestions,

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<v Speaker 3>while in truth, although it does involve a sense of

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<v Speaker 3>involuntariness and a reduced sense of agency, individuals do not

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<v Speaker 3>lose control under hypnosis, and they can resist suggestions that

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<v Speaker 3>do not align with their inner inclination. Some people say

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<v Speaker 3>that in hypnosis you cannot remember what occurs. Spontaneous amnisia

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<v Speaker 3>is exceptionally rare, and hypnotized individuals can remember everything that

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<v Speaker 3>occurs during this session. And also, hypnosis sometimes is confused

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<v Speaker 3>with other techniques like meditation or mindfulness, but in fact

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<v Speaker 3>hypnosis is distinct from these. If you're seeing something under hypnosis,

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<v Speaker 3>your brain acts differently than if you're just imagining something.

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<v Speaker 3>The visual areas would be activated as if you're really

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<v Speaker 3>seeing the objects.

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<v Speaker 1>So a definition of hypnosis is still something even experts

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<v Speaker 1>disagree on. The American Psychological Association, the main body of

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<v Speaker 1>psychologists in the United States, has redefine what hypnosis is

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<v Speaker 1>at least three times in the last few decades. They

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<v Speaker 1>can't seem to agree on what it is. But from

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<v Speaker 1>our experts, this is the general picture. Hypnosis is a

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<v Speaker 1>procedure where you sit down with a hypnotist and the

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<v Speaker 1>hypnotism helps you enter a state of mind in which

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<v Speaker 1>you might dissociate or tune out the rest of the

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<v Speaker 1>world and be completely immersed, be more open to suggestions,

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<v Speaker 1>and you might feel a loss of agency or control

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<v Speaker 1>over your actions. Right when we come back, our two

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<v Speaker 1>experts are you going to tell us how to get

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<v Speaker 1>someone hypnotized, and then in the end we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>see which one was able to hypnotize me. So don't

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<v Speaker 1>fall into a trance. Stay with us. We'll be right

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<v Speaker 1>back with more science stuff. Hey, welcome back. Okay, we

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<v Speaker 1>talked a little about what hypnosis is, and now we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk about how to hypnotiz someone. We're going

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<v Speaker 1>to do it by playing your clips from the two

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<v Speaker 1>sessions where the experts try to hypnotize me. According to them,

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<v Speaker 1>hypnosis is a four step process. Here's how Doctors AHEADI

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<v Speaker 1>describes the first step. Okay, so you described it as

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<v Speaker 1>a process. What is that process.

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<v Speaker 2>First, you are going to have a long discussion with

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<v Speaker 2>your clinician about the hypnosis itself creating some positive expectations

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<v Speaker 2>in you and also with U seeing your negative expectations,

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<v Speaker 2>you expect that some fun stuff are going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>So you expect that your hands or arms can be moved,

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<v Speaker 2>your sense of agency over your behavior might be changed

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<v Speaker 2>to your movements, and these things can happen to everyone,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So the first step in hypnotizing someone is a conversation

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<v Speaker 1>that happens before the actual hypnosis, and this is where

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<v Speaker 1>the hypnotism essentially primes you for what's about to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>They make sure that you want this to work, that

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<v Speaker 1>you have positive expectations, and they tell you that you

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<v Speaker 1>might have some strange feet during the session, like you

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<v Speaker 1>might feel like you're not in control of your movements

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<v Speaker 1>and that this is normal. But most important, the pre

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<v Speaker 1>hypnosis talk is to get you to trust the hypnotist.

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<v Speaker 2>So the trust between two of us are going to

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<v Speaker 2>be very important. So report is very important at any

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<v Speaker 2>point in hypnosis, and your brain tells you that you

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<v Speaker 2>should not trust me, the process going to stop.

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<v Speaker 1>It sort of sounds like you're trying to pre hypnotize

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<v Speaker 1>the person to lean into the process, not to freak out,

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<v Speaker 1>because if I have my guard up, if I'm skeptical,

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm afraid of what's going to happen, then it

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<v Speaker 1>definitely won't happen exactly. The second step in hypnotizing someone

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<v Speaker 1>is to officially start the hypnosis, and this is where

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<v Speaker 1>that famous swinging pocket watch comes in.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you start the next step, which is ghypnotic induction.

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<v Speaker 2>Usually it's a ritual. You're trying through this ritual to

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<v Speaker 2>start the initiation of the process.

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<v Speaker 1>Some sort of signals that says, all right, the process

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<v Speaker 1>has now officially begun exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>For instance, they will ask you to close your eyes,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you will think about your muscles and then

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<v Speaker 2>you'll start to relax them one by one. Another one

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<v Speaker 2>is eye fixation, so you would start to look at

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<v Speaker 2>some specific place and then you try to keep your

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<v Speaker 2>eyes open, and then at some point you have the

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<v Speaker 2>tendency to close your eyes and you're going to get

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<v Speaker 2>tired and the process starts.

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<v Speaker 1>That's sort of like the one you see on TV

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<v Speaker 1>or in movies or in old movies where they would

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<v Speaker 1>swing a watch, oh yeah something and say you're getting sleepy.

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<v Speaker 1>That This is kind of the where that comes from.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, the clock actually is a thing still hunting

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<v Speaker 2>me every time. I'm just introducing how someone's governer the clock.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have a clock or not? Actually gets a

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<v Speaker 2>very ineffective way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so hypnotherapists don't actually use the swing in pocket watch,

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<v Speaker 1>but they do use other techniques to get you to

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<v Speaker 1>relax so that your brain goes into a relaxed state,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is where the hypnosis actually start. I'm now

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<v Speaker 1>going to play for you the two sessions where our

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<v Speaker 1>experts try to hypnotize me, and so your license hypnotherapist.

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<v Speaker 2>I am actually heart to part in the therapist. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't actually practice as a clinician. I'm very much boring scientists.

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<v Speaker 2>But it is not going to be that much difficult.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a very actually simple thing. So yeah, definitely it's

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<v Speaker 2>possible to hypnotize anyone as long as they are trusting

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<v Speaker 2>you and they are okay with a situation. Okay, that's right, perfect,

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<v Speaker 2>So let's just do something together. Let's just start with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Close your eyes, and then we will try to first

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<v Speaker 2>relax your body together. Please see it comfortably on your chair.

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<v Speaker 2>Try to imagine your body as it is, and then

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<v Speaker 2>think about your body as a butt of water. Now

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<v Speaker 2>it's empty, there is no water in it, and you

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<v Speaker 2>can see through your body, so a transparent container. Now

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<v Speaker 2>that we do want to now feel with some war

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<v Speaker 2>warm water. It's warm, pleasant water, not too warm to

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<v Speaker 2>make you uncomfortable, not too cold to make you uncomfortable,

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<v Speaker 2>but warm enough to give you a pleasant sensation.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, can you close your eyes when you're ready. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>Visualize a relaxing blue light above your face, a relaxing

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<v Speaker 3>blue light that you're inhaling, moving all the way into

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<v Speaker 3>your shace. Chill your shace, becoming more and more relaxed,

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<v Speaker 3>and feel all the muscles of your face relaxing with

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<v Speaker 3>every inhalation and with every exhalation. Allow all stress, all

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<v Speaker 3>tensions on bluckages. To live your face, and now allow

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<v Speaker 3>the eye to move into your neck to relax your neck.

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<v Speaker 3>So boose, that's repret that you take and feel all

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<v Speaker 3>the blockages, all stress, all tensions needing your neck, allow

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<v Speaker 3>the light to move into your shoulders. Relax your shoulders.

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<v Speaker 1>So both hypnosis sessions went on like this for several minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>They had me focus on each part of my body

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<v Speaker 1>and relaxing them one by one. It's not too different

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<v Speaker 1>from what you might do in a yoga or meditation class,

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<v Speaker 1>and the idea is to get your mind to a

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<v Speaker 1>place where it's ready to take suggestions. These suggestions are

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<v Speaker 1>what makes hypnosis different from say, meditation or mindfulness. First,

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<v Speaker 1>the hypnotists might start making suggestions that take you deeper

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<v Speaker 1>and deeper into your own thoughts and imagination.

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<v Speaker 3>Focus your imagination, your awareness, and as this light finds

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<v Speaker 3>you with awareness that enhanced focus, all the blockages to

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<v Speaker 3>a deep process, distractions all on pleasant thoughts, They all

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<v Speaker 3>evaporate and you're filled with night. How can you to

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<v Speaker 3>be ready journey into your subconscious mind? Enjoy the place,

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<v Speaker 3>and when you're ready to meet the place, say.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, okay, now, taking with you all the joy, all

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<v Speaker 4>the happiness of the safety of this place to stay

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<v Speaker 4>with you throughout the session and beyond it.

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<v Speaker 3>I will come from three to one when I reach one,

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<v Speaker 3>and you can imagine yourselves on top of stairs. States

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<v Speaker 3>that in you to the gate of your subconscious mind

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<v Speaker 3>three to one. See the stairs and see yourself going

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<v Speaker 3>down the stairs. With every step you count the number backward,

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<v Speaker 3>and you go downward, closer to the gate of your

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<v Speaker 3>subconscious mind and deeper into his process. So starting from twenty,

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<v Speaker 3>can you count out.

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<v Speaker 5>Lock twenty nineteen eighteen.

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<v Speaker 3>Ohing grossure and closer to the gate of your your

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<v Speaker 3>subconscious mind seventeen.

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<v Speaker 1>Now when the hypnotist thinks you are fully immersed, some

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<v Speaker 1>scientists believe this is an altered state of consciousness. An

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<v Speaker 1>altered state of consciousness is just a different way for

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<v Speaker 1>your mind to be. Normally, we are aware of what's

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<v Speaker 1>around us, and we are constantly thinking about what we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to do next. But several times a day we

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<v Speaker 1>all enter into different states of consciousness. For example, you've

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<v Speaker 1>been listening to my voice for the last few minutes

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<v Speaker 1>and paying attention, and you've probably tuned out the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of the world. You've been a little zoned out. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like when you're driving and suddenly you realize, oh, we're here.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't remember actually driving the last ten miles or

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<v Speaker 1>when you get into the zone when you're running or

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<v Speaker 1>doing exercise, or when someone's watching TV and they look

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<v Speaker 1>like they're in a trance. These are all different states

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<v Speaker 1>of consciousness. Here's how doctor Zaheti explains it.

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<v Speaker 2>At some point, you will get absorbed in your imagination

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<v Speaker 2>so much that you get dissociated from the environments. So

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<v Speaker 2>this concept is an altered state of consciousness. So you

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<v Speaker 2>might also understand hypnosis and as an altered state of

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<v Speaker 2>consciousness where instas hypnosis might the couple your cognitive control

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<v Speaker 2>or change heat in a way, and because of that

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<v Speaker 2>you might be able to experience hypnosis in this state.

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<v Speaker 1>The hypnotisms would then start the third step in the process,

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<v Speaker 1>which is to give suggestions. And there are different suggestions

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<v Speaker 1>hypnotists can give. For example, here is one called direct

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<v Speaker 1>murder idea.

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<v Speaker 2>So just imagining this water, watching all your anxieties, all

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<v Speaker 2>your stresses, and getting more and more comfortable. Now, whenever

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<v Speaker 2>this anxiety and stress that you had previously are gone

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<v Speaker 2>and you feel more relaxed, you can start imagining a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of colorful balloons being tied to your fingers. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>look at these balloons and different color that they have

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<v Speaker 2>probably remember when we were kids, we were playing with

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<v Speaker 2>these balloons. We were having a lot of fun. Now

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<v Speaker 2>imagine these balloons and as you are just seeing them

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<v Speaker 2>more and more vividly, this positive experience that you had

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<v Speaker 2>during your childhood is going to feel your hand. And

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<v Speaker 2>then these positive experiences are going to make your fingers

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<v Speaker 2>and hand lighter and lighter. This might start with a

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<v Speaker 2>tingling sensation, and then your fingers and your hand is

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<v Speaker 2>going to feel lighter and lighter, and at any point

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<v Speaker 2>when they are light enough that they want to start

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<v Speaker 2>moving in the air, led them to move.

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<v Speaker 1>What doctor say Eddy is doing here is giving me

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<v Speaker 1>what's called a direct motor idea. In this case, he's

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<v Speaker 1>suggesting that I imagine balloons tied to my hands, and

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<v Speaker 1>then visualize those balloons lifting my hands. And from a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people who go through this, their hands will

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<v Speaker 1>actually move and they'll feel like their hands are moving

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<v Speaker 1>on their own. Another type of suggestion is to access

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<v Speaker 1>lost memories.

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<v Speaker 3>And now looking from to you see a door opening,

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<v Speaker 3>going through the store, it takes you to a beautiful

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<v Speaker 3>memory of your childhood. See yourself there. What do you.

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<v Speaker 5>See at the beach?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, how all that?

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<v Speaker 5>Maybe twelve ten.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, and what do you see in this case?

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<v Speaker 5>I see the stars, the water and the moon.

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<v Speaker 3>And how do you feel in this place?

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<v Speaker 5>I feel connected to the stars.

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<v Speaker 3>Allow your ener child to give your backsite that he's

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<v Speaker 3>holding in that place that allows you to be more aware,

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<v Speaker 3>focused on the present moment I connected to Nay. Allow

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<v Speaker 3>the slide to fill you. And as the slide chains

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<v Speaker 3>you or blockages that prevented you from enjoying the present,

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<v Speaker 3>from being fully aware and mind chilling the present and

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<v Speaker 3>from experiencing your connection to the stars and to mature,

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<v Speaker 3>allow them all to evaporate. And when the slide chaines

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<v Speaker 3>you and one to blockages, evaporate and say okay.

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<v Speaker 1>The last kind of suggestion that a hypnotist can give

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<v Speaker 1>you is the clinical or therapy related suggestion. This is

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to change something about your behavior, like

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to cure a phobia or lose weight

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<v Speaker 1>or quit smoking. For example, here's how doctor is a heady.

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<v Speaker 1>We describe hypnotizing someone who wants to lose weight from

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<v Speaker 1>eating too much chocolate.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you are very much into chocolate and then

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<v Speaker 2>you feel hopeless when you see chocolate and you need

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<v Speaker 2>to buy it. I can just create association for you

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<v Speaker 2>during hypnosisself whenever you see chocolate, but now you think

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<v Speaker 2>about the future when you didn't eat this chocolate versus

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<v Speaker 2>the future that you ate this chocolate, and then this

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<v Speaker 2>mental practice is going to create that association. Next time

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<v Speaker 2>you see the chocolate, you will have this couple of

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<v Speaker 2>milliseconds to think about these two different futures, and that

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<v Speaker 2>is enough for you to inhibit this response.

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<v Speaker 1>And here's how doctor Zahdi would hypnotize someone to cure

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<v Speaker 1>their fear of spiders.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you have a phobia of a spider, let's

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<v Speaker 2>just say you will just imagine the spider very far

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<v Speaker 2>away from you. It will be very much threatening in

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<v Speaker 2>the beginning, and then a couple of sessions later, or

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<v Speaker 2>we will just bring this spider a little bit by

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit closer to you to the point that

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<v Speaker 2>you can imagine just touching the spider without getting too

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<v Speaker 2>much anxious. And then at some point actually like this

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be enough for you to lose your phobia.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is how doctor Jaja would hypnotize someone to

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<v Speaker 1>help them stop smoking.

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<v Speaker 3>With smoking, it's more complex. You have to see what

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<v Speaker 3>was associated with the habits, like some people usually like

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<v Speaker 3>to smoke when they're having coffee or when they're having

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<v Speaker 3>a drink, So you focus next time you're having coffee,

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<v Speaker 3>you will enjoy the coffee. Usually we emphasize on positive

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<v Speaker 3>suggestions rather than negative one and instead of saying you

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<v Speaker 3>will not have the urge to smoke, you could say

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<v Speaker 3>you will feel like you want to have coffee alone

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<v Speaker 3>without a cigarette, or you will feel repulse by cigret

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<v Speaker 3>it and the person knows, for example, they shouldn't be smoking.

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<v Speaker 3>But with hypnosis, it helps people by reinforcing not just

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<v Speaker 3>the will power, but reinforcing a positive response. And also

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<v Speaker 3>when you replace the habit, you should create new habits.

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<v Speaker 3>So you could encourage people to do more sport or

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<v Speaker 3>create positive habits instead of the habit of smoking.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So the basic idea of hypnosis is to get

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<v Speaker 1>the person deeply immerse in their own mind and to

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<v Speaker 1>get them to use their imagination to create a reality

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<v Speaker 1>in their head. And this reality can help them see

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<v Speaker 1>things from a different perspective. It almost seems like you're

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<v Speaker 1>creating a simulated reality for the subject, and it's safe

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<v Speaker 1>because it's a simulation, but it gives you nevertheless, an

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<v Speaker 1>experience that can change the way you think, just like

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<v Speaker 1>any real experience can change the way you think.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly. We very much actually believe that it's actually like

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<v Speaker 2>a simulation of real word, that you can't actually go

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<v Speaker 2>through it and without consequences, that you're usually just facing

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<v Speaker 2>real word.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, the next question you might have is does it

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<v Speaker 1>all work? And where are experts able to hypnotize me?

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<v Speaker 1>We'll get to that in our next segment, but first,

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<v Speaker 1>here's the last step in the hypnosis process, which is

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<v Speaker 1>to end the hypnosis session.

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<v Speaker 3>Enjoyed this beautifulfiling of calmness, of satisfaction, allowing these feelings

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<v Speaker 3>to manifest more and more, being great for the past,

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<v Speaker 3>the future, and the peasant. I would come from five

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<v Speaker 3>to one, and when I reach one, you can open

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<v Speaker 3>your eyes. But is your subconscious mind accepting for all

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<v Speaker 3>the suggestions, willing to allow their manifestation in your lives?

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<v Speaker 5>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>For is there.

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<v Speaker 3>Anything preventing you from being mindful, to relax and cultural

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<v Speaker 3>adisponsive to any of the suggestions you have resist?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 5>Okay?

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<v Speaker 3>Three? Feeling the energy coming back to your body, energizing

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<v Speaker 3>every part of you, fooling you with your from flowing

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<v Speaker 3>energy plea allowing your awareness to come back to this place,

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<v Speaker 3>to the chair sitting on to the sound of repos two,

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<v Speaker 3>getting ready to open your eyes? When you open your

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<v Speaker 3>eyes such and puble one when you're getting you can open.

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<v Speaker 1>Us all right, when we come back, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>find out if all of this really works. Stay with us.

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to science stuff. Welcome back? Okay? Does hypnotism work?

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<v Speaker 1>And where are two experts able to hypnotize me? According

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<v Speaker 1>to one study published in twenty ten, cognitive hypnotherapy is

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<v Speaker 1>between six to eight percent better at reducing depression, anxiety,

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<v Speaker 1>and hopelessness than more traditional cognitive behavioral therapy. In a

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eighteen review on obesity, psychologists found that people who

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<v Speaker 1>use hypnotherapy lost more weight than ninety four percent of

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<v Speaker 1>people who didn't use any therapy at all. And in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty fourteen, doctors found that hypnotherapy could even reduce the

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<v Speaker 1>effects of irritable bowel syndrome for some patients. Now did

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<v Speaker 1>it work on me?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of my session with doctor Zaheti latt at about

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<v Speaker 1>twenty minutes, and here was my reaction when he brought

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<v Speaker 1>me back.

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<v Speaker 2>And I will count down from ten to one, and

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<v Speaker 2>by each number, you're going to get more and more attentive,

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<v Speaker 2>and you will remember the fists and the experience that

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<v Speaker 2>you had with each of these numbers number ten, nine, eight, seven, six, five, four.

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<v Speaker 2>Then reach number three, you can open your eyes and

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<v Speaker 2>as soon as I say number one, you will come

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<v Speaker 2>back to here and now completely four, three, two and one.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, whoa, how are you? That was interesting? Well, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit because we are recording, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>I was still aware of that. Yeah, isn't sure, but

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<v Speaker 1>it really hit me. Like I think I was a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit aware the whole time, but when you started

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<v Speaker 1>the countdown and you said open your eyes, and I

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<v Speaker 1>opened my eyes, I was like, whoa, I was somewhere else, yes, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the part where you had me thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>childhood and the balloons and the joy I felt. I

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<v Speaker 1>almost teared up. Yeh, yeah, like I had a very emotional,

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of deepen my chest feeling of joy.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a very common thing. That's one of the reasons

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<v Speaker 2>that you go actually could do to those experiences because

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<v Speaker 2>they're so intense that you can easily just re experience

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<v Speaker 2>them and they're very actually effective in helping you just

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<v Speaker 2>feeling things.

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<v Speaker 1>And then here is my reaction to the longer forty

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<v Speaker 1>minute hypnotism session with doctor Jajah.

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<v Speaker 5>Wow, I was very emotional. I was feeling a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of emotion.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Some people see more images some people and feel more.

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<v Speaker 2>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I have an active imagination. So I was

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<v Speaker 1>definitely seeing and hearing and smelling even but at the core,

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<v Speaker 1>I could feel myself fairly emotional, like I could feel

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<v Speaker 1>my chest opening up. I think part of my brain

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<v Speaker 1>was still thinking about the fact that we're recording this,

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<v Speaker 1>but that part of my brain felt like I wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>in control of my body. I don't even notice my

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<v Speaker 1>jaw was open, and I could tell my jaw was open,

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<v Speaker 1>but I couldn't close it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so you have the sense of involuntariness.

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<v Speaker 5>A little bit. Yeah, so you.

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<v Speaker 3>Are in control, but your sense of volonteariness is reduced

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<v Speaker 3>and your sense of agency. You see things happen a

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<v Speaker 3>bit by them self.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I felt it starting to happen. Yeah, so yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I definitely felt things. I think part of my brain

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<v Speaker 1>was always aware of what was happening because we were

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<v Speaker 1>recording the session, but part of my brain really did

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<v Speaker 1>go somewhere else. I felt that association, and at some

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<v Speaker 1>point I did feel that loss of agency or feeling

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<v Speaker 1>like I was not in control of my movements. It

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<v Speaker 1>was quite an interesting mental experience. Okay, The last question

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<v Speaker 1>I asked our experts was what makes someone more or

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<v Speaker 1>less susceptible to being hypnotized, and they both agree that

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<v Speaker 1>there are two skills some people have that make them

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<v Speaker 1>better or worse at being hypnotized. Here's how doctor Zaheti

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<v Speaker 1>puts it.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a study that we have conducted recently that

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<v Speaker 2>showed to require different cognitive abilities to respond to different

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<v Speaker 2>forms of suggestions. These different cognitive abilities are imagination.

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<v Speaker 1>Meaning some people are better than others at just imagining

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<v Speaker 1>fake scenarios.

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<v Speaker 2>Some people are better than others exactly. The second one

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<v Speaker 2>is these dissociative abilities dissociative tendencies.

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<v Speaker 1>Meaning my ability to just tune out of reality exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So if we have an active imagination and you're good

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<v Speaker 1>at zoning or tuning out, then getting kept time is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be easier for you. But our experts agree

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<v Speaker 1>the most important factor in determining whether hypnosis works for

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<v Speaker 1>you is your expectation and how much you want it

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<v Speaker 1>to work on you. If you're very skeptical about it,

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<v Speaker 1>or if you don't trust a person trying to hypnotize you,

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<v Speaker 1>or if you don't really want it to work, then

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<v Speaker 1>it's not going to work for you. So is hypnotism real?

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<v Speaker 1>It is, but it's a reality you make up yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>Does that mean it's all a hoax or that you're

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<v Speaker 1>fooling yourself? That's one way to look at it. The

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<v Speaker 1>other way to look at it is that hypnosis uses

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<v Speaker 1>the power of your mind to help you change your

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<v Speaker 1>own mind. In other words, it's all about you and

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<v Speaker 1>giving yourself a mesmerizing experience. Thanks for joining us, See

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