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Speaker 1: HOODI who everyone, This is your weekly show update. If

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Speaker 1: you are in New York City, you can see me

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Speaker 1: George Severis do an hour of stand up comedy at

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Speaker 1: the legendary Joe's Pub on November fourteenth and November twenty fifth,

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Speaker 1: and the first show is almost sold out, but there

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Speaker 1: are a few tickets left for the second one. It

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Speaker 1: is a genuine dream come true to do Joe's Pub,

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Speaker 1: so I would really love to see some glamour girls

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Speaker 1: in the crowd. And you can get tickets to both

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Speaker 1: of those shows at Publictheater dot org. And if you're

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Speaker 1: in the beautiful Canadian city of Toronto, we are at

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Speaker 1: long last doing a Stradio Lab Toronto show on Saturday,

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Speaker 1: November twenty third at the Paradise Theater and tickets to

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Speaker 1: that show are available in our Instagram bio and on

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Speaker 1: linktree dot com slash Stradio Lab. And there I have

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Speaker 1: to say, already going fast, so I would act now

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Speaker 1: enjoy the show.

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Speaker 2: Okay, podcast starts now. I welcome to the show Stradia Lab.

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Speaker 2: The podcast. We are once again coming at you from

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Speaker 2: a beautiful bicoastal world.

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Speaker 1: Sam, you look incredible.

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Speaker 2: And we were having thank you look amazing as well.

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Speaker 1: Is this shirt new?

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Speaker 2: No, it's actually so old that it's new again. I've

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Speaker 2: had this shirt for roughly eleven years.

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Speaker 1: Wow, it looks hard, but I've never seen you wear it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I stopped wearing because I was like, I

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Speaker 2: years ago.

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Speaker 1: Wow, So it was before we started our acclaimed podcast

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Speaker 1: Each Radio. Yeah, this game the number one podcast of

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. I want to say about your God,

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Speaker 1: what an amazing year. God, what an amazing That was

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Speaker 1: a really great year for podcasting. It's been pretty downhill

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Speaker 1: since then, honestly. Well not for all, No, not for

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Speaker 1: us obviously, but I you know, I just think that this,

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Speaker 1: you know, the environment, the media ecosystem has changed. You know,

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Speaker 1: back then you could do anyway.

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Speaker 2: George, you said, let's you can I say this out loud?

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Speaker 1: Sure?

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Speaker 2: You proposed that we lie. You propose that we lie

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Speaker 2: to our listeners and say this was recorded before the election,

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Speaker 2: when in fact we are recording on the Friday after

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Speaker 1: Here's what I proposed. I want to say it is

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Speaker 1: for twenty Okay, let's light them up. It is four

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Speaker 1: to twenty pm on a Friday. Correct, Okay, I it's

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Speaker 1: been a horrible week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah for all?

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Speaker 1: Uh huh, I mean I guess not for some, but

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Speaker 1: I you know, for us, and I presume many of

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Speaker 1: our listeners. I feel not at my most sharp, I

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Speaker 1: would say, is cerebrally, you know, it's this, it's this

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Speaker 1: sort of like Friday afternoon slump. And so my suggest

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Speaker 1: should was we record this episode don't mention politics at all,

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Speaker 1: and then later record a an intro lying to our

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Speaker 1: listener saying, hey, guys, like this episode was recorded before

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Speaker 1: the election, but just wanted to like send out you know,

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Speaker 1: That was That was what I suggested, I was. I

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Speaker 1: was immediately I was immediately rebutted by Sam who I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: but you you're who? Is it George Washington or Abe Lincoln?

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Speaker 1: That can't tell a lie? I think that was Abe, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: honest Abe.

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Speaker 2: They called it. No, it's not Tim is it not?

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Speaker 2: Isn't George.

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Speaker 1: It's definitely George Washington.

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Speaker 3: George Washington is the cherry tree.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, But then is there also honest Abet?

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Speaker 3: But I think you can't tell a lie.

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Speaker 2: I can. I'm capable of telling lies.

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Speaker 1: But no, you're not, Sam. I don't want to attack you.

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Speaker 1: But every single time I've suggested like misogynic the truth

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Speaker 2: That is, you are so shocked, George. That is not

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Speaker 2: and it's like calm down, like you're like bloodthirsty for

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Speaker 1: Joe Didian essay where she is writing about the hippies,

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Speaker 2: Well, this is actually an amazing addendum to tim to

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Speaker 1: It's true. Well, there's something about Ireland that's like, it's

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Speaker 1: Exactly, Yes, exactly, that's what it is.

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Speaker 2: It's and.

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Speaker 2: Oh, those actors are having their cake and eating it too.

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Speaker 3: With addiction and the accent study and the textual study

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Speaker 1: us question our own biases and make us question American society.

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Speaker 1: But it's like, oh perfect, Sir Sharone like beautiful blonde

437
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 1: white woman, like thin blonde white woman who was in Ladybird.

438
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 1: She feels empowered because she doesn't have to fake her accent.

439
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 1: That's something we can all get behind.

440
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really amazing. I actually was around someone recently

441
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 2: who was reading Cirsha's name and didn't know how to

442
00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,880
Speaker 2: pronounce it, and I was like, where have you been? Yeah,

443
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 2: like at this point we all know Sirsha. Yeah.

444
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: I have to say, it is like people that were

445
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 1: up until elections saying Kamala and I was like, you

446
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:17,439
Speaker 1: are you need to be like held like chained down

447
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: and made to watch one minute of political.

448
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, but don't you think that it's unfair that we

449
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 3: have to do so many accents if we want to

450
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 3: exist at a high level in the entertainment industry.

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Speaker 2: I think it's implicated now. I think it's completely unfair.

452
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 2: I'm on Tim's side.

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00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 1: I've never considered that. I think it's really unfair.

454
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Speaker 3: I saw this movie Stalin. I saw The Stevie Death

455
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 3: of Stalin. I thought it was a very funny movie.

456
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 3: I liked it a lot. All these people playing Russians,

457
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 3: but they all use their natural accents and they were

458
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,199
Speaker 3: able to activate what made them each interesting performers at

459
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 3: the same time, very collaborative movie.

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Speaker 1: I actually completely agree.

461
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 2: I mean, we also House of Gucci, which you know

462
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 2: everyone is supposed to be in Italian, and yeah, if

463
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 2: we're hearing acts of all stripes.

464
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: No House of Gucci is perfect. If you're gonna do accents,

465
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Speaker 1: do House of Gucci. What I don't like is when

466
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: it's like almost there. But then occasionally you'll get that

467
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 1: and it takes you out of it. House of Gucci

468
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 1: never took me out of it because I was like,

469
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:16,880
Speaker 1: this is a cartoon.

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00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 3: I just watched Conclave. I just watched Conclave, the Pope movie. Okay,

471
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 3: now that's and there are people and everyone's just doing

472
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 3: their natural accent and they just make it work. They

473
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 3: make it work in the script. And so now we're

474
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 3: seeing two different movies here. I'm talking two different movies.

475
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 3: I'm talking Conclave they make work in the script, and

476
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 3: I'm talking Death of Style and they don't even mentioned

477
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 3: in the script. Both allow actors of a specific voice

478
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 3: qualities to just do their thing, which is something I

479
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 3: would like to be done for me.

480
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would actually love for someone to just let

481
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 2: me do my thing. I think that's one of the

482
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 2: biggest problems in Hollywood today is that no one's letting me.

483
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 3: Do Sam.

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00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 1: Tim as an American man, you are complaining preemptively about

485
00:25:59,240 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 1: someone making it.

486
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 2: Yes, pretty much. I mean George not to be a bitch,

487
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 2: but that's why Trump was elected.

488
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: That's true.

489
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 2: That's true.

490
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: Okay, I can let's do our first segment. Get it

491
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 1: out of the way, and then I want to go

492
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:12,360
Speaker 1: the sound.

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00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 2: That sounds amazing. Tim. Our first segment is called straight Shooters,

494
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 2: and in this segment, we're going to ask you a

495
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 2: series of rapidfier questions. It's basically this thing or this

496
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 2: other thing to gauge your familiarity with and complicity and

497
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 2: straight culture. The only rule is you can't ask a

498
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 2: single follow up question or we will scream at you.

499
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 2: And and that's final. So are you ready to start?

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00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 3: Yes?

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00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: Tim, everybody poops or nobody wants that.

502
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 3: Everybody poops?

503
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 2: Wow, Tim, truffle fries or muffled cries.

504
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 3: Muffled cries. Truffle fries are a scam, totally.

505
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 1: Don't speak by no doubt Or is that a beak

506
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:55,439
Speaker 1: or a snout?

507
00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 3: That's a really good question. I'm gonna ooh, dang, oh,

508
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go beak snout.

509
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 1: And by the way, that was dedicated to Tim's debut

510
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: comedy album, Teeth Like Beak Out on all platforms now

511
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: from Absolutely uh Reck.

512
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, George.

513
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 2: Okay, Tim, reservoir dogs or remember POGs?

514
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 3: Remember POGs?

515
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:20,919
Speaker 1: They got banned, so.

516
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 2: They got banned folks, what's POGs? You're Greek? George.

517
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 3: POGs were these circular cardboard collectibles, and that you would

518
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 3: stack them on top of each other and slam on them,

519
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 3: a metal circular collectible as a slammer.

520
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 1: Like yelling out the reason.

521
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 4: I don't know, Like, yeah, that's what I'm saying, Like

522
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 4: I'm not the George. You had to be there, okay, Tim, Yes,

523
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 4: fear and loathing in Las Vegas, or the cashier is

524
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 4: closing in the bodega.

525
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, I'm gonna Googa.

526
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 2: New York through and through, okay, Tim, Tempura or a Spentura.

527
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: A Spentura, I worry about the youth, or this mcflurry

528
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 1: is satisfying my sweet tooth.

529
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 3: I worry about the.

530
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 2: Youthio, Okay. The Winter of our Discontent or this quarter

531
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 2: we're really focusing on TikTok content.

532
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 3: Winter of Discontent.

533
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 2: I love plays, of course.

534
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 1: You know, Tim, we normally rank our guests on a

535
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 1: scale of zero to one thousand doves. Sam, you know,

536
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: it's interesting, like entering a new Trump era. I'm like,

537
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: I feel the need to symbolically change.

538
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I feel the needs to change everything,

539
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 2: But for this rating, scale. I agree. I wish new

540
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 2: album was out so we could pull something from it,

541
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 2: because right now, you know, I'm rating you on a

542
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 2: scale of disease not disease.

543
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good rating.

544
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 2: More binary, yeah yeah.

545
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: More binary. Just is it's past fail, it's disease or

546
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: not disease, disease. I think disease.

547
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 2: I think you're very sick.

548
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: I think, oh you're very sick, which is good, which

549
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: is good. Okay, you're the illness as someone as some

550
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: might say, I might say, yeah, where do you think

551
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: that comes from? Using sick? Using illness as a metaphor

552
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: for in a positive way, like sick ill Like why

553
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: is that?

554
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 2: You know, George, you can't ask us questions. We just

555
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 2: don't know the answers to.

556
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 3: Just not knowing exactly where like all the terms and

557
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 3: all the words are how they are balanced. It was

558
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 3: funny to me to come onto this podcast as a

559
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 3: straight man and just whatever you all say and be like, oh, yeah, okay,

560
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 3: yeah I'm sick.

561
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: You know what, tim what you're describing now that is

562
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: out as Trump era, Like yeah, the idea of like

563
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: self flagellating as a progressive straight man, that's.

564
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 3: Over, so just being like, I don't know what you mean.

565
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: No, just truly like, I here's what I think.

566
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 2: I think.

567
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: At its worst, of course, at its worst, what that

568
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: means is being like in the manisphere okay, and and

569
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: being like violently toxic. But at its best, what it

570
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: means is there's no more of this self flatulating if

571
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: you're in a more privileged group and you just actually

572
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: talk to be able person, a person, you know what

573
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: I mean? Sure, sure, Like.

574
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 2: That's a positive read. I think that's a positive read.

575
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I got there.

576
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's something to it. Okay, this is hard,

577
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 2: you guys, It's hard, I know, George. I I the

578
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 2: reason I want to talk up top about it is

579
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 2: because I'm like, I don't know what else to talk about. Like,

580
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 2: it's it's so top of mind that it's really hard

581
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 2: for me to think of literally anything else to talk about,

582
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 2: and it's hard for me to even have normal conversations

583
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 2: without thinking about the lens of like course, of course

584
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 2: this is happening this week, of course, so I'm trying

585
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 2: to be tasteful, but I am like, it's I'm finding

586
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 2: myself pausing more because I'm like, oh, I don't want

587
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 2: to say that, well, I don't want to say that.

588
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: I know, I know, and and maybe the perfect is

589
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: the enemy of the good. And it's okay that we're

590
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: like imperfectly and very kind of impulsively saying whatever's on

591
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: our mind.

592
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 2: I just.

593
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: As someone I'll say this as someone who has avoided

594
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: this kind of thing this week in my own media consumption,

595
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: I'm imagining like pressing play on a comedy podcast that

596
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: I want to take my mind off of things, and

597
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: then hearing us like stumble through what we think about Trump?

598
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

599
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 2: So you didn't listen to Robbie Hoffman and Mark Marrin, Yeah, nope,

600
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 2: you know my asset play on that. I'm a whole

601
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 2: different person here in.

602
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 3: LA I want to know.

603
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 2: I was curious, Wait, what did you want to know

604
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 2: about what Martha said? Yeah, it's just curious about what Trump.

605
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 2: I want to know what Mark's gonna say.

606
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: I want to know, you know what, Actually this is

607
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: my big point. And then because this is actually like

608
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: what it comes down to, and I think this is

609
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: what a lot of my confusion is about. I just

610
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: so I do have like specific views on what the

611
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: Democratic Party could do better what I think is missing,

612
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: Like I don't think I'm the person to verbalize them,

613
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: and I don't think they're complete thoughts, and so it's

614
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 1: just I'm not going to do it. But I'll say

615
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: this something that is very concerning to me is that

616
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: there is no like major thinker that I am craving

617
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: looking towards right now. That It's like, I just think

618
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: in a different era, there would be like a writer

619
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: who I would be excited about seeing what their big

620
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: essay about it would be, or a public figure or

621
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: a public intellectual that I that I would know, like

622
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,479
Speaker 1: all right, like in a couple of weeks, they're you know,

623
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: they're big thought that they're big you know, take on.

624
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: It is coming. And I feel like the lack of

625
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: leadership within let's say politics is mirrored by a lack

626
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: of leadership out like like a lack of moral and

627
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: intellectual leadership outside of politics. I don't I you know,

628
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: universities are like a husk, Like there's no academics that

629
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,959
Speaker 1: I trust, There's there are no everyone on you know,

630
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: cable news and everyone everyone that's like supposed to be

631
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: commenting on the news like a complete hack, Like it

632
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: is you you start to see why there's this vacuum

633
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: that has been filled by like people like Joe Rogan.

634
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 2: But see, this is why you need to be speaking

635
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 2: because that's actually a really good point. Like I haven't

636
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 2: considered this yet, and it's like I but I fully

637
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 2: agree that even in like twenty sixteen, I would be like, Okay,

638
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 2: I want to read what this person is saying. I

639
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 2: want to read with this person saying this is incisive.

640
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 2: Now I'm like, I don't trust anyone because I know

641
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 2: everyone's like just try and sell a book, like I

642
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 2: really and.

643
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: Like also everyone's trying to sell a book.

644
00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 2: They only got that book because they got more Twitter

645
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 2: followers because they're more insane for the two weeks after

646
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 2: the election, Like yeah, it all is false and because

647
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 2: there's no like quality control, it's just who has the

648
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,240
Speaker 2: most numbers everything. I don't trust anyone.

649
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 3: This is why. And I know this is like that

650
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 3: sort of self care thing you were talking about, George,

651
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 3: but it is a reason why I was like, I

652
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 3: need to get off these platforms now, and that needs

653
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 3: to be my step one is because I'm impressionable. I

654
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 3: want everyone who I followed doing this time. I don't

655
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 3: want to hear from them because I feel really played.

656
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 3: I think I developed a naive optimism about this that

657
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 3: like my experience and my knowledge tells me it's not true.

658
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 3: And I allowed a lot of Internet talk to like

659
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 3: get me pushing in different directions, and I do feel

660
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 3: like I think that's when one hundred percent true. There's

661
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 3: like no one everyone who I was like sort of

662
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 3: checking to see what they were saying about every moment

663
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 3: of the election coming up. I'm like, I don't want

664
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 3: to hear from them. I don't I don't care what

665
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 3: they have to say, and I know I know what

666
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 3: happens when I follow down that path, and it's like

667
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 3: there's a version of like what ever answer'm gonna find,

668
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 3: it's not going to be on those platforms, And I

669
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,720
Speaker 3: need to like practice being away from them and practice

670
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 3: what it means to be engaged without consuming this type

671
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 3: of stuff because I've been consuming since twenty sixteen. I've

672
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 3: been consuming obsessively since since twenty six.

673
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 1: Oh, there's a pandemic of consumption. Yeah, I mean there's

674
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: something we're all doing. It's it's consuming. We cannot stop

675
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: consuming that. Actually, there used to be points in people's

676
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: eyes where they weren't consuming back in the nineties and

677
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 1: now we don't have that.

678
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 2: Tim, I have a question. You're as someone who is silly,

679
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,439
Speaker 2: sure do you feel that it was a trap for

680
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 2: this to be your episode?

681
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 3: So my first thought was that I was. I was

682
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 3: on last culturistis like early after the election of Trump

683
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:50,720
Speaker 3: in twenty sixteen.

684
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: Oh what way I was.

685
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 3: And I remember being like, I guess we just got

686
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 3: a call every day. We got call every day, our

687
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 3: sons got called every day, and I was like, this

688
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 3: is this is just sort of this is of what's

689
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 3: been happening. I think I will get on like these girls. Yeah,

690
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 3: there's like a and I mean it because these are

691
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 3: like high and for my work, high profile podcasts, you know,

692
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 3: where I'm like, oh great, I want to do well

693
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 3: on these podcasts because they're so funny and fun and

694
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 3: we get to be thoughtful. And then oh, I guess

695
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 3: I got a.

696
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Tim were like fucking you.

697
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, no, I tell you what I thought.

698
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 3: Were you were talking. I was thinking and Samuel appreciate this.

699
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 3: I was like, this is just I gotta take it

700
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 3: out of suggest I get that, get to get as

701
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 3: a as a as a gift, as an improv gift,

702
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 3: I gotta find a way to respond.

703
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 2: Improviser's spirit came through, all right, Tim, this is I

704
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 2: You know, we simply must ask you what is your

705
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 2: straight topic and what is straight about?

706
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 3: I'm so glad to talk about this today. I am

707
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 3: so glad to talk about this today. And I will

708
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 3: say for the last time, I think you guys have

709
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 3: done a great job talking about this, at least for

710
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:57,919
Speaker 3: my for my little years.

711
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 2: I think you've done a great job as well.

712
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 3: To thank you so much. I wanted to talk about

713
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 3: acoustic covers, acoustic covers, acoustic covers, and I want to

714
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 3: talk about acoustic covers because I've done a lot of

715
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 3: acoustic covers in my life. I love the acoustic guitar.

716
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 3: It's like my It is an instrument I use on stage,

717
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,280
Speaker 3: is an instrument I use for comedy, as an instrument

718
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 3: I use for my soul. And I think A people

719
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 3: are too hard when people do an acoustic covers and

720
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 3: B I do.

721
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: So you're defending that, well, I.

722
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 2: Do defend for acoustic covers.

723
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: Wow, Well, I do defend Trump's America.

724
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 3: Literally, I defend the hate, but I also honor. No,

725
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 3: I don't honor. The reason why I want to bring

726
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 3: it on a straight topic is because I think there

727
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 3: are a lot of straight men in this world who

728
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 3: believe an acoustic cover is the only way they can

729
00:37:54,840 --> 00:38:00,240
Speaker 3: be a artistic or see emotional in any public spere,

730
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 3: and it drives them crazy. So they'll do it like

731
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 3: the Barbie movie famously lampooned. They'll do it at a party,

732
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 3: they'll do it at a you know, a fire that

733
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 3: they'll do it. I don't know. They'll do it when

734
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 3: it's unwanted, but it's because it's coming from a place

735
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 3: of this is my only way. This is the only

736
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 3: time that I'll be able to share anything emotional, artistic,

737
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 3: or creative in their goddamn lives. And I think it's

738
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 3: a very straight I think there's plenty of people who

739
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 3: do acoustic covers very artfully, but that sort of impulse

740
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 3: to do like I have to do a bad acoustic

741
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 3: cover and post it on YouTube, Like there's so many

742
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 3: youtubes of bad acoustic covers. Why, Yeah, that's interesting to me.

743
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 2: Well, there's something about being straight where you're like, well

744
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 2: I did it, Like didn't you didn't think I could

745
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 2: do that, and I did that, yes, and I think

746
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 2: it's like very You're like, I'm just a normal guy

747
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 2: and look up, but I did the guitar and everyone's

748
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 2: like like, You're like, people need to see that I

749
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 2: can do this.

750
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 1: Yes, there's a certain of course, this is adjacent to

751
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: the quest for authenticity, like it is. You know, you

752
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: think by stripping down a song and not including all

753
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: the various like technological digital elements, you are making it

754
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: more pure, and of course you think you are the

755
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: right person to make it more pure. I think you're

756
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: absolutely right that it is one of the most like

757
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: socially sanctioned ways for a straight man to be vulnerable.

758
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of what other ones are. I think, like,

759
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: you know, I think my mind is going to like

760
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: travel essays or something like. There's something like, what is

761
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: a way you can retain your masculinity while doing something creative.

762
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, it's a certain kind of poetry

763
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: or certain kind of certain kind of cook barbie literally barbecueing,

764
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: like acoustic covers are the barbecuing of music, because barbecuing

765
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: is also in a similar way. There's no like, oh,

766
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,280
Speaker 1: you're not fussy and using different and using like different

767
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: cute little spices and like stataying like you are just

768
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: taking a slab of meat and then bursting it with heat.

769
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this also so another topic I texted Sam

770
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 3: about this. Another topic I thought about doing, which now

771
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 3: in realizing is connected, is being actually into something so

772
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 3: that being like I actually think that's pretty cool. Like

773
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 3: I'm actually kind of into fiction right now, like that

774
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 3: sort of feeling of caveat. And so it's like I

775
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 3: think acoustic covers and barbecuing they are like a caveat.

776
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 3: I'm allowed to do a very normal thing, you know.

777
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 3: It's like actually allowed. I'm allowed to be persnickety about

778
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 3: the spices I use on this barbecue. I'm allowed to

779
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 3: be persnicty about like I'll be artful about how I

780
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,399
Speaker 3: want to look. I want that chart, you know. Oh.

781
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 3: Now I'm allowed to let you look at me for

782
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 3: three minutes for this song. I'm allowed to look. This

783
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 3: all comes from watching love YouTube. I'm allowed to like

784
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 3: look at them, look at the camera and like smile.

785
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 3: For the first time in my life. It's like there's

786
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 3: it's what, Well, this thing will allow me to be

787
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 3: expressive in a way that is actually very normal, but

788
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 3: feels like it needs to have a caveat to actually

789
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 3: be said.

790
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the actually caveat also is like there's

791
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 2: something so like you probably didn't think I was like this,

792
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 2: Like there's like a defensiveness to it. It was very

793
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,439
Speaker 2: straight to me, where it's like why, like I could

794
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 2: have thought that. Well.

795
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: It's also a short cut for depth. It's like, okay,

796
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: so it's like, oh, I don't know how to actually

797
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: form a sentence saying how I feel. But actually it's

798
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 1: even more deep that I'm pulling out my guitar and

799
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: doing an acoustic cup yes, like it is. It's like

800
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: a short cut to seeming like in the eyes of

801
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: the beholder of the acoustic guitar, it's seeming more interesting

802
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: than you.

803
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 3: And it's also an expectation and an entitlement to glory

804
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 3: and applause there and that you can see in the crowd.

805
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 3: As like stand ups. I think you maybe connect to

806
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 3: this that It's like when you fail so much doing comedy,

807
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 3: you get like you it sucks, it's horrible, it's not fun,

808
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 3: but you do like develop a way of managing that

809
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 3: and understanding that you could bomb at any moment, even

810
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 3: if you're doing really well. And it's it's funny to

811
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 3: me to watch other crafts where bombing isn't a thing,

812
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 3: even though it can do badly. But like there's all

813
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 3: these different barriers for not feeling that, and I think

814
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 3: you see, I think acoustic guitars are a really vulnerable

815
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 3: way for people to express that. You can see them

816
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 3: clenched up. They're not loose. They're like if someone after

817
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 3: they did the covers like that sucked, like you were,

818
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 3: you should have. Why didn't you tune your guitar before

819
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 3: you did this? It's you can see there's no preparation

820
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 3: for that. And as a comedian, I'm very interested to

821
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 3: see who is who knows how to like move around

822
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 3: a performative flailor a formance failure. And there's like seemingly

823
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 3: no space for an acoustic guitar to be a performance

824
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,879
Speaker 3: failure except ladoing it like I can't believe I saw

825
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 3: that person do that.

826
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think yeah, And so in that sense, it's

827
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: interesting what you're It's like, on the one hand, it

828
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: is a sign of vulnerability, or it is it has

829
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: been prescribed this connotation of vulnerability on the other hand,

830
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: as you're saying, it's actually the most guarded you can

831
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: be because the acoustic guitar is like a you know,

832
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: a protection against criticism. Like actually, if you're playing the

833
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: acoustic guitar, if you're doing an acoustic cover, everyone is

834
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 1: required to be silent and just sort of like vaguely

835
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: looking at you. Yes, there's no except for a few exceptions,

836
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: it's not going to be amazing or terrible. It's going

837
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: to be sort of down the middle. It's not a

838
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: huge risk because you're not playing some crazy instrument or

839
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 1: doing some crazy thing with your voice. You're usually like

840
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: sort of going right down the middle. So it is

841
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 1: like there's it's based on this like essential lie.

842
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 2: I here's something I'm thinking about, Like before there was

843
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 2: a practical use of like an acoustic guitar at the campfire.

844
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 2: It's like there's you know, we don't have speakers out

845
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 2: here in the woods, so like maybe for some music

846
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 2: we can play guitar by the campfire. With the advent

847
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 2: of the Bluetooth speaker, the wireless, waterproof Bluetooth speaker, do

848
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 2: you think that that acoustic guitars will go extinct?

849
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,839
Speaker 3: That's a good question that there is actually not really,

850
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 3: at least in my life, a legitimate space for anyone

851
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 3: to be like, hey, can we play a few songs

852
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,439
Speaker 3: for you? There's like, oh, let's play together, we all play,

853
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 3: we all sing. But the idea of like let me

854
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 3: play a song for you in a casual setting that

855
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 3: only seems like tyranny to me, that only seems like

856
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 3: a like a great a grave misstep. Yeah, which is

857
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 3: why I see more of it on YouTube, and that

858
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 3: becomes a whole like media thing than I actually see

859
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 3: because like and even like even I so I'll have

860
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 3: my guitar and someone be like, and there have been

861
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 3: times that people like, oh, will you play a song?

862
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I don't know songs? I don't like,

863
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,919
Speaker 3: I haven't learned songs. I can do my act, but like, do.

864
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 2: You you don't know wonderwall?

865
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 3: I know a wonder wall which I want to play.

866
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 3: I know how to play one.

867
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: Okay, but the wonder wall thing I I want to

868
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: address something, which is this happens a lot on this podcast,

869
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: which is so often emblems of uh heterosexuality becomes so

870
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: clichade as things. One criticizes that that it almost is

871
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: like more toxic to criticize them than to not criticize

872
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: the George. I feel this way about people making fun

873
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: of the book infinite jest. It became this like symbol

874
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: of like a book boys read, and it's like, actually,

875
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 1: by the way, many women have read that book, and

876
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: there is a reason why it's popular, and you can

877
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: like debate it, but like it we have. We have

878
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,919
Speaker 1: gone so far away from the initial thing being criticized

879
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: that it actually is now just a cop out if

880
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: you want to sound interesting to just like use it

881
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: as a refract.

882
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 2: This is such a great point. This is such a

883
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 2: great point.

884
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 1: I think the acoustic guitar thing something I struggled with

885
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: honestly during the Barbie movie, which I had to get

886
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: over myself because ultimately it's for children and who cares.

887
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: But in the moment, I was like, this is the oldest,

888
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,720
Speaker 1: most hack possible joke you could put in here.

889
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 2: I well, so I did it well. That did well?

890
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 2: Though I have a few thoughts.

891
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 3: Did I have a few thoughts about all of that?

892
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 3: First of all, I completely agree that like there are

893
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 3: these like templates of criticism that become hack because you

894
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 3: can tell someone wants the glory of rausing somebody without

895
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 3: the thoughtfulness and you're like, okay, well sure I will.

896
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 3: I will say more about Wonderwall is that I've been

897
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 3: feeling the way you've been feeling for a while because

898
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 3: this other side did my feeling about the acoustic guitars,

899
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 3: that like, if this is the first time someone's ever

900
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 3: been able to express themselves in their mind, and wonder

901
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 3: Wall was the way. That's a good thing. That's like

902
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,879
Speaker 3: a's that's a fine entry point to life. I'm sorry

903
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 3: you had to hear it at the time you didn't

904
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 3: want it. I really think that sucks. I bet that's bad,

905
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 3: but as a song that it invited people towards it

906
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 3: in a way that I actually think is kind of

907
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 3: special and cool. And I will go as far as

908
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 3: say that a reason that I like talking about this

909
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 3: is because I, like, I do think guitars, ukulele's, these

910
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 3: like these instruments that we have to suffer through so

911
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 3: often are many people's first experience not only being creative,

912
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 3: but also playing music and performing it at all. And

913
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 3: I think being creative and performing and playing music are

914
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 3: all really wonderful things. And if these are low level

915
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 3: ways to get into it, without having to be experts,

916
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,919
Speaker 3: and I think that is actually a very special thing.

917
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:01,479
Speaker 1: I felt.

918
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 3: I gave some guitar lessons to some friends during COVID

919
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 3: and that was very moving to watch them learn a

920
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 3: few chords and start playing stuff on their own. And

921
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 3: I like found myself talking in this way that like, oh,

922
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 3: that's what's so special about the guitar, is it you

923
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 3: can only take a few things and then you can

924
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 3: and then you can start writing your own songs. And

925
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 3: I like, and I do think that's true. You can

926
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 3: learn very limited things and then start making something, which

927
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 3: I think is worthy of being celebrated.

928
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: And lastly, I.

929
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 3: Think the Barbie part was funny because there was so

930
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 3: many people doing it at once. And I will go

931
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 3: with hard to say that, like I found the Just

932
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 3: Ken song I'm Just Ken's song to be a real

933
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 3: dud because it came after what I found to be

934
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 3: a very funny musical comedy moment of all the guitars.

935
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 3: And then we have an actual written song that I

936
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 3: actually didn't like very much. So how about that.

937
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 2: First of all, I love that. I love the point

938
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 2: that we should almost celebrate people experiencing creativity for the

939
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,479
Speaker 2: first time. Rather than to make fun of them, because

940
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 2: it's like, what would you rather have them do commit

941
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,959
Speaker 2: mass violence? No, let them read a book or play

942
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 2: guitar or whatever. I and this tim I think is

943
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 2: also what you're so good at is like you are

944
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 2: someone who plays acoustic guitar and is like knows the

945
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 2: bad version of the guy who plays the acoustic guitar

946
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 2: at the party. But it also is you are that guy,

947
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 2: but you aren't that guy, and you can like sort

948
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,439
Speaker 2: of dip in and out of being this guy.

949
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. I appreciate that. That took, frankly a lot of

950
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 3: work to figure out on stage how to do that,

951
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 3: and there was a lot of like and there was

952
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 3: honestly a big part of it was just saying I know,

953
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 3: I know you have a guitar. You say I know

954
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:44,879
Speaker 3: a few times and sort of feeling yeah, it's actually

955
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 3: very it's very clownings go I know, I know, I

956
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 3: know we're gonna do it. And then also doing very

957
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 3: short songs proves to people that you're not trying to

958
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 3: waste their time, because I think a gripe I have

959
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 3: about musical comedy generally is that it often doesn't respect

960
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 3: people's time. I think I think there's a few people

961
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:04,879
Speaker 3: who do it really really well. But you we've all

962
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 3: been the thing where it's like, okay, well, after we

963
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 3: heard the chorus that the joke's done, I don't want

964
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 3: to hear verse two. I don't want to hear the

965
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 3: second yes again, Like, and I think just short songs

966
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 3: proved to an audience that like, you're you're not gonna

967
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 3: push You're not gonna push it because the audiences are

968
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,760
Speaker 3: very defensive against acoustic guitars, which I get.

969
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 2: Of course, of course, of course, yeah. I'm like, I

970
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 2: want to know, like when you were less self aware,

971
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 2: is there like a time when you have brought out

972
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 2: the acoustic guitar that you know in retrospect you're like, damn,

973
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:46,720
Speaker 2: that is so embarrassing because I have one, Oh what's yours? Well,

974
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 2: this is say, in college, me and my boys were

975
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 2: acoustic guitar heads. Okay, I was horrible at it, but

976
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 2: I you know, I knew, I knew some chords and literally, like,

977
00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 2: I have one night in particular that I think about

978
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 2: and it makes me feel so shameful where we went

979
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 2: to like the like a public part of campus at

980
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 2: like you know, nine pm and it was like dark

981
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 2: and we just like played and like you know, people

982
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 2: like some people came and like sat and just like

983
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 2: watched for a second. Then like they'd like sing along

984
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 2: and they'd like walk away. And I left that night

985
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 2: being like, man, college is amazing, like like this is

986
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 2: what community should be. Yeah, and I find it now,

987
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 2: like I wish I could remember what songs we were singing,

988
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 2: but like they were certainly like Wonderwall adjacent. It wasn't

989
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,760
Speaker 2: Wonderwall because even then you know that that's like cheesy,

990
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 2: but it was like close.

991
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: I just want to defend Wonderwall for a second, because

992
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,839
Speaker 1: here's the thing. One thing we haven't touched upon is

993
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: the acoustification of like dare I say, hip hop and

994
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 1: other genres of music, because that talk about, you know,

995
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: talk about like a certain kind of straight valance is

996
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 1: like thinking you are, if not improving upon then like

997
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 1: sort of fucking with you know, literally a like run

998
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: DMC song by making it acoustic and being sort of

999
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: like cheeky about it. There's this it's this very like

1000
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: twenty twenty tens.

1001
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:25,280
Speaker 2: I'm thinking Ben Folds Sentatonics just ain't shit. I'm thinking, yes, exactly,

1002
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 2: the dancing on my own cover, Yes.

1003
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: The dancing on my own cover. Even like there's I

1004
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 1: feel like there's so many talk like acoustic covers of

1005
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 1: Toxic by Britney Spears, like I feel like we were

1006
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: doing that for a while.

1007
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,720
Speaker 3: That the Heyach, the famous Heyyack cover. Oh my wow.

1008
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: Yes, so to me, And I don't want to limit

1009
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,879
Speaker 1: people's creativity because I do think it's interesting to hear

1010
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: something and hear a different take on something. But I'm like,

1011
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: why are we stigmatizing Wonderwall when that's like what the

1012
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: acoustic guitar was built for.

1013
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 3: And you know what, I think that that so that

1014
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 3: very thing I remember very clearly. I play in bands

1015
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,359
Speaker 3: in high school where like the other acts were people

1016
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:10,439
Speaker 3: who were just doing acoustic covers of rap and hip

1017
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 3: hop and what and getting a lot of attention for it.

1018
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 3: And what I think that cultural moment did was tell

1019
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 3: country music that it was okay to like start incorporating

1020
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 3: this talking like the Florida Georgia line type stuff, because

1021
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 3: now so much country music is hip hop influenced their production,

1022
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 3: their beat, their vocal cadences, like you know, even the

1023
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 3: sort of like type of speak rapping that happens in

1024
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,760
Speaker 3: country music, happens a lot more than lind Maruell. Miranda

1025
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 3: isn't the only one bringing hip hop to different forms

1026
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 3: country music. Is like they want that, they like they

1027
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 3: that became very much a huge part about current country music,

1028
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 3: I think, And I think that is straight up because

1029
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 3: people doing these cute covers show that like, if we

1030
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:02,359
Speaker 3: just sing it like that, is that amazing? Yeah, if

1031
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 3: we sing gin and juice like this, it's actually it's

1032
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 3: actually a beautiful song.

1033
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1034
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 1: Well, I think this is also and again this feels

1035
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 1: a bit, you know, a bit Obama era as a

1036
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: critical modality, but there is something about acoustic guitar that

1037
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: is like it is you know, considered like straight and white. Okay,

1038
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 1: So then when you use it to cover a song

1039
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: that is not that, or when you use it even

1040
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: to cover a song that like normally would be more

1041
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 1: electronic or poppy or whatever, it is a way of

1042
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:46,800
Speaker 1: like it's that like kind of it's like making unseasoned food.

1043
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: Like it's like it's that kind of thing. It's like

1044
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:52,280
Speaker 1: you're taking something and you're like getting rid of the flavor.

1045
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And I think that was.

1046
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 1: The reaction against it when it became such a common and.

1047
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:01,439
Speaker 2: An you're like gentrifying a song.

1048
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: You're gentrifying Yes, that's yes, that is very well, you're

1049
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 1: gentrifying a song. And I think, like I think currently

1050
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: what's happening is like a re reevaluation of that kind

1051
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 1: of critique. Wouldn't you say, like I now, if someone

1052
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 1: was like, oh, so and so is gentrifying a song,

1053
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 1: I'd be like, well, that sounds like a pretty vacuous critique.

1054
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: Let's like, let's like look into that a little bit

1055
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 1: more like why are you reacting this way? This seems

1056
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: like something that is like a statement that is that

1057
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 1: is perfectly made to like go viral on social media.

1058
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: But what are you actually saying ultimately?

1059
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 2: Nothing?

1060
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:41,439
Speaker 3: Well, right, that's true. And that's something I've been thinking

1061
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:45,760
Speaker 3: about recently with TikTok being a huge platform for distributing music,

1062
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 3: is that you know me espresso is a novelty song,

1063
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 3: Like that's part of the real The big songs on

1064
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 3: TikTok tend to be, in my opinion, sort of like

1065
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 3: they're their pop. They're pop songs, but like they are

1066
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 3: also novel They're made with an air of joke, they're

1067
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 3: made with an air of jess. They're made with an

1068
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 3: air of a clever turn of phrase, They're made with

1069
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 3: an air of like, can you believe someone put this

1070
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:12,760
Speaker 3: to music. There's a lot of people who I silently

1071
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 3: don't like on TikTok who make music which are all like,

1072
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:19,439
Speaker 3: can you believe we're like being kind of gross while

1073
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 3: singing in the style of a pop song. We're just

1074
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,320
Speaker 3: talented musicians, but we're talking about like sort of poopy

1075
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 3: and peepy haha. And I think like the idea of

1076
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:34,359
Speaker 3: the novelty song is what am I trying to say.

1077
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 3: I think that novelty songs exist that as like a

1078
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 3: separate form that has sort of like infected, not infected,

1079
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 3: but that TikTok has allowed to sort of get into

1080
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 3: all these different spaces of to our public consciousness where

1081
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 3: it's like where it's not even a novelty song anymore.

1082
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 3: It's just like that's just how we that's the songwriting

1083
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 3: people do at a consistent clip, because you can post

1084
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 3: stuff as a whatever you just said, a consistent clip

1085
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,879
Speaker 3: on these social media platforms where people are hearing music

1086
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 3: for the first time rather than the radio or the

1087
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 3: campfire with their friends. And to answer your question, Sam,

1088
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,399
Speaker 3: I actually think I gotta have like attention from playing

1089
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 3: guitar often, so like I'm not embarrassed by a lot

1090
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 3: of it because at the time I knew it was

1091
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 3: the juice I needed to get get what I wanted.

1092
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 3: But I would just like play it on the like

1093
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 3: in the hallways of my high school.

1094
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 2: Wow, you're playing it in high school for no one?

1095
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that is so.

1096
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 2: I see it. I can see it also clearly.

1097
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, legs.

1098
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 1: Here's my call to everyone out there. The harp. Oh

1099
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: we need Hey, we need to replace the acoustic guitar

1100
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 1: with the harp. If I'm at a campfire, bring a harp.

1101
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 3: I'm gonna send you some clips of Harper marks right now,

1102
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 3: and I want to see how you reacted.

1103
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: We were Florence in them. We're in a Florence in

1104
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 1: the machine. We need a Florence and the machine.

1105
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 2: Rennis, I want to agree with you, but here's what

1106
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 2: I'm I want to go in more a different direction.

1107
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 2: I'm ready for stomps and collaps. I want to be

1108
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 2: sitting around the campfire and people to be sort of

1109
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 2: patting on their knees and and doing little sort of

1110
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 2: nursery rhyme style songs. This I think is accessible to all.

1111
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 2: You know, there's no economic barrier of entry, and you

1112
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 2: can never forget your hands and knees.

1113
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take I'm gonna take you a step class analys.

1114
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take you a step further, Take a step further.

1115
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 3: I would like to see more single woodwinds used in

1116
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 3: a in a collective.

1117
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 1: I'd like to see everyone take out a recorder and

1118
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: I want everyone to harmonize it at the campfire, everyone

1119
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 1: with their own recorder.

1120
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 2: That sounds amazing. Actually, you know, it was a joke.

1121
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 3: I tried to do a lot in stand up that

1122
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 3: never worked because it's a bad joke. So I know, Sa,

1123
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 3: I know the saxophone is a woodwind. Why is the

1124
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 3: most brass fucking sound would have ever heard of my

1125
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 3: fucking life. And that's that. That rhythm was very important

1126
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 3: to what I thought.

1127
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 2: Was the joke. Damn, that's good. I get it.

1128
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 3: Sam. I think you already one of the only people

1129
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 3: who will appreciated.

1130
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 1: I hate to say this, but you know we're running

1131
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 1: out of time here, So any final thoughts or Sam

1132
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 1: on acoustic Guitar Covers.

1133
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 3: Final thoughts on acoustic guitar covers. I would just have

1134
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 3: to say, I think their best when you're alone. I

1135
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 3: think their best when alone. I will like sing songs

1136
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 3: to myself alone, and I think that's a very special experience.

1137
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 3: And I hate that I talk like that about it.

1138
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 1: But what about potentially, you know, you're married to a

1139
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 1: woman potentially in a romantic setting.

1140
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 2: She does not.

1141
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 3: Like your She likes my musicic she just doesn't need

1142
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 3: it all the time, and she hears it through the

1143
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 3: is it through the walls. She's got her own thing going.

1144
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 3: There was actually one time recently when I was like,

1145
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 3: I wrote a new song, can I show it to you?

1146
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 3: And she said okay, and then did something else for

1147
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 3: a little while, and I was like, hey, I actually

1148
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 3: asked you to listen to the song and she was like,

1149
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 3: I had something else to do. And I was like,

1150
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 3: but now I've just been waiting here with the guitar

1151
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 3: and she was like and she was like, you're acting

1152
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 3: like a diva right now, and I said, yes, I am.

1153
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 3: I don't it's and I was like, I never asked

1154
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 3: you to listen to my music, and this is the

1155
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 3: one time I do. And we had a little.

1156
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 1: Wholew And you know there are other men that would

1157
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 1: have that experience and it would take them immediately to

1158
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 1: the manosphere. And I just want to say, thank God

1159
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 1: for straight men liked him.

1160
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 3: Woweah, yeah, here here I have. I have no choice

1161
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 3: but to I have no choice but to accept. Wow.

1162
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 3: How about that?

1163
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 2: Well, should we do our final segment?

1164
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 1: I think we must tim Our final segment is called

1165
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 1: shout Outs. This is a segment where we pay homage

1166
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: to the great straight oral tradition of the radio shout out.

1167
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 1: You're a Z one hundred shouting out your friends back home.

1168
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 1: You're on TRL and so we're all gonna go and

1169
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 1: do one. We think of them on the spot. That's

1170
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 1: the rule. I don't have one, Sam, Do you have one?

1171
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 2: Do I have one? That is a tough question. This

1172
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 2: is a hard game, is a really hard game for today.

1173
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 3: But we can do it.

1174
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 2: Okay, what's up? Freaks lose some perverts around the globe.

1175
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:58,440
Speaker 2: I want to give a shout out to my brain

1176
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 2: and my memory and my ability to see pattern. I

1177
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 2: think growing is amazing and it's so cool. So for

1178
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 2: election night, you start watching the news and you're like,

1179
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 2: I feel this pit in my stomach that I felt before,

1180
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 2: and it's like, actually, I don't have to watch this shit.

1181
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 2: In fact, I can just turn this off and just

1182
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 2: like try to sleep. And yes I'll be uncomfortable, and

1183
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 2: yes I'll be a little stressed, but it's like so

1184
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 2: much better to know yourself and to know that like

1185
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 2: trying to make yourself suffer to feel more in control

1186
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 2: is actually not more in control and actually more out

1187
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 2: of control. I find myself. We're seeing a pattern here,

1188
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 2: We're seeing some repetition, and it's fun to sort of

1189
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 2: be like, Okay, I've done this before, what do I

1190
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 2: do this time? I feel smarter, I feel more prepared,

1191
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 2: and I feel the same amount of bummed out, but

1192
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 2: I think I'm better equipped for it because of my

1193
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 2: brain and learning and pattern xoxo, Sam.

1194
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 1: What's up the losers out there? I want to give

1195
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 1: a shout out to It's been mentioned already the film Conclave.

1196
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 1: Oh baby, when I tell you this is what I

1197
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 1: like to call a perfectly middle brow thing. I went in.

1198
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 1: I Gate massages your brain the exact the exact right amount,

1199
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 1: so you are activated, you are thinking, but you're not

1200
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 1: challenged too much, and you're also not insulted or condescended

1201
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 1: to it is uah, I cannot recommend it more. I

1202
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 1: don't know how it'll hit post election, because it is,

1203
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 1: of course famously about an election where there is a

1204
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 1: Trumpian figure. But I'm telling you, I watched it last

1205
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 1: week and I had the time of my damn life.

1206
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 1: Ray Fines is one of our great actors. I you know,

1207
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 1: you even though he's always been there, I don't think

1208
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 1: of him when I think of my top five actors,

1209
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 1: but honey, he's up there. Stanley Tucci, you know, great actor.

1210
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 1: I don't think this is the best performance, but he's

1211
01:03:55,920 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 1: pretty good. Isabella Russolini has this till the swintonesque vibe

1212
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 1: where she just like is herself playing a character at

1213
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 1: all times. But it works. You're not it doesn't take

1214
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 1: you out of it. You're just like, oh my god,

1215
01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 1: isn't it's so funny that that is Isabella Russolini in

1216
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 1: a non costume And I don't know, you know, I

1217
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 1: want to maybe this is how we save Hollywood is

1218
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 1: adapt more like middle of the Road airport novels, but

1219
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 1: elevate them just enough to make them. Oscar movies don't

1220
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 1: don't make them Netflix movies like try to elevate them,

1221
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 1: but make them accessible to them.

1222
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 2: We need to ban Netflix movies. Let's start there.

1223
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 1: Ban Netflix movies unless you know anyone's once again in touch.

1224
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 1: But otherwise bamp I completely and shout out to the

1225
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:46,360
Speaker 1: Catholic Church because you guys are doing incredible, amazing where.

1226
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 3: I completely agree. I think Gray find is fantastic. I

1227
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 3: think his performance in Grandpu The Best Hotel is one

1228
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 3: of like my top tier. I think it's so funny

1229
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:58,120
Speaker 3: and has so much dignity, and mixing those two is

1230
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:01,440
Speaker 3: really hard. I will say the one I have a

1231
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 3: few quibbles about conclave, but the one may but all

1232
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 3: I understand are to create the piece that it is.

1233
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 3: The What I will say about Conclave is that I

1234
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:14,920
Speaker 3: do think the politics of the Pope, of the cardinals

1235
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 3: bishops of the conclave were veered a little too close

1236
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:23,400
Speaker 3: to modern sensible political brands, and I do I'm into

1237
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 3: Catholic shit for weird Catholic opinions, and I would have

1238
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 3: liked a little more strange Catholic perspectives than ones that

1239
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 3: we could be like, well, those are the liberals and

1240
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 3: those are the conservatives.

1241
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 1: But that's what I mean about it being perfectly accessive.

1242
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 1: It's like you literally have to know nothing about the

1243
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:42,920
Speaker 1: world that it's portraying, which is like what makes it

1244
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 1: so middle browse Yes, it is not. It doesn't challenge

1245
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 1: you like it is. It is like a very interesting

1246
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:53,919
Speaker 1: and moderately well written and exciting and thriller esque hour

1247
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 1: and a half.

1248
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:57,160
Speaker 3: Yeah. I just wish there was like one person at

1249
01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 3: one time who was like, uh, and also, let's get

1250
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 3: rid of all the relics in the papacy. No more

1251
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 3: promoting the relics.

1252
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:11,960
Speaker 1: Pieces of well, Tim, you can't have it all.

1253
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 3: That's true. That's certainly true.

1254
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:18,040
Speaker 1: All right, Tim, whenever you're in fuck.

1255
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 3: Damn hold up, yeah, totally give me one second. You

1256
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 3: know what, I want to shout out my little notebook.

1257
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 3: Every morning I opened up my little notebook, and often

1258
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:32,120
Speaker 3: I don't write in it, but recently I've been writing

1259
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:36,360
Speaker 3: in it every day because sometimes to actually have like

1260
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 3: a focus point away from everything else and to actually

1261
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 3: write nonsense or your literal feelings or your little lists

1262
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 3: of things to do and you when you time it,

1263
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 3: that's like fun. And you can put a sticker on

1264
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 3: top of it, and you can like tile them on

1265
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 3: top of each other, and you know what, and maybe,

1266
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 3: and maybe, and just maybe, if you start writing that

1267
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 3: notebook every day, you could write your very own conclict.

1268
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 3: And just maybe if you write, you know, every day,

1269
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 3: you can start writing down patterns you see and then

1270
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 3: you go back. I believe it was a character then,

1271
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 3: uh uh in the importance of being earnest, who said,

1272
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:14,920
Speaker 3: of course, like I have a notebook, Uh, but one

1273
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:18,760
Speaker 3: must always have something exciting to read on the train. Now,

1274
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 3: I'm not going to go that far. I'm not gonna

1275
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 3: read a notebook that much, and not more than they'll

1276
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 3: read fiction, which I adore. But but I think the

1277
01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:29,440
Speaker 3: beginning of all of it starts in the simple pages

1278
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 3: of uh, your local notebook.

1279
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 2: No, I love that, and I you Sometimes I am like, oh,

1280
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:39,640
Speaker 2: I would love to go back and read that journal entry.

1281
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 2: I bet it's so juicy. Then I go back and

1282
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 2: read it, and I'm like, that sucked.

1283
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:44,919
Speaker 3: No, I barely finish. I like, I won't.

1284
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 2: I will.

1285
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:48,160
Speaker 3: It's like all clauses that like jump to different clauses

1286
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 3: that are like different voices. You know.

1287
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's not amazing work. But hopefully one

1288
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 2: day it gets published posthumously.

1289
01:07:56,920 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 1: Mmmmm, Ring the Joon did well. Tim's debut comedy album,

1290
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:08,360
Speaker 1: Teeth Like Beak, is now out on all platforms. I

1291
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 1: was likely enough to perform at the release for it

1292
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:20,519
Speaker 1: in Brooklyn's in New York's Brooklyn. Yeah, and everyone should

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01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:23,879
Speaker 1: go listen to it on band camp or Spotify or wherever,

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Speaker 1: especially Spotify so Tim can get point oh one stem

1295
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:28,679
Speaker 1: for it. That would be a really great.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: You can buy it on band camp and if you're

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Speaker 3: just gonna, you can also stream it on band camp.

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Speaker 3: But if you're gonna on Spotify, I get it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's easier, but you guys buy it serious,

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Speaker 2: buy it well. Thanks so much, Tim in a real treat.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for having me.

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01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:49,679
Speaker 2: I appreciate, Sure, the timing is bad.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate being here with you both. I think you're

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01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 3: both smart and funny, and so it was. It was

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01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 3: nice to be here and here too.

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Speaker 1: I think you're smart and funny, and we wish we

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01:08:57,840 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 1: could all be in the same room.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be nice.

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Speaker 1: It would have been nice to you know, feel that

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Speaker 1: physical closes at a timeline now more than ever or

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Speaker 1: whatever we're going.

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Speaker 3: On now more than ever is not going away.

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Speaker 2: That's staying, though I'm.

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Speaker 1: Saying it earnestly and yeah, more than ever.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm back to saying like, you know, with everything,

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Speaker 2: with everything, yes, which is so I'm disgusted with myself.

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Speaker 2: But that's neither here nor there. We love podcasting through

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Speaker 2: it all. Bye my podcast and now want more.

1320
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1321
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:41,599
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