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Speaker 1: Well, I invited you here, thought I made myself perfectly clear.

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Speaker 1: When you're a guest to my home, you gotta come

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Speaker 1: to me empty. And I said, no, guests, your presences

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Speaker 1: presents enough. I already had too much stuff, So how

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Speaker 1: did you dare to surbey me?

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Speaker 2: Welcome to? I said, no gifts. I'm Bridger Wineker. We're

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Speaker 2: in the backyard. What is happening? I've been to Trader

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Speaker 2: Joees this morning. I went to three grocery restores. I

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Speaker 2: gave myself permission to buy the expensive coffee and that

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Speaker 2: it fell apart immediately, and I ended up at Trader Joe's.

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Speaker 2: There I had an orange slice from the sample lady.

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Speaker 2: I went around the aisle once and she was gone.

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Speaker 2: The entire stand was gone. She was gone, completely surreal experience. Rip.

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Speaker 2: Let's get into the podcast. Oh, I love today's guest.

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Speaker 2: He is just so funny. It's Zach woods Zech. Welcome to.

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Speaker 2: I said, no gifts, thank you.

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Speaker 3: You feel like that woman was dead or I appeared

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Speaker 3: that she was just a hallucination conjured by the bad coffee.

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Speaker 2: I hope it's a hallucination, but I think she's been erased.

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Speaker 2: She's been disappeared.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, unmade. But you know, can I just paint a

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Speaker 3: picture for your listeners because you can't hear this through

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Speaker 3: the microphone. But Bridger is wearing them very understated and

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Speaker 3: beautiful outfit that matches his surroundings perfectly. Where they're this

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Speaker 3: kind of like I don't I'm not good at describing colors,

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Speaker 3: but it's this kind of like warm magenta shirt and

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Speaker 3: don't know, I guess it's not that rewarding to hear

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Speaker 3: very beautiful and I want to appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm in kind of a brown maroon. And then

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Speaker 2: kind of I've thought about the color of this stracket

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Speaker 2: before and I thought dark turquoise or is it teal?

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Speaker 2: And I kind of landed on pacific. I feel like

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Speaker 2: it's the color is pacific. Yeah, because teal? What is teal?

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Speaker 2: I always think of a Pontiac grand am when I teal,

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Speaker 2: it's like a it's more of a turquoise.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Teal sounds like like the color of a car

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Speaker 3: that a father is distant from his children in. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: do you feel that you dress in colors that reflect

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Speaker 3: your mood or that are aspirational, Like will you dress

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Speaker 3: you dress in the mood that you are in? Does

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Speaker 3: that make sense?

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Speaker 2: That does make sense. If my mood is usually at

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Speaker 2: a negative four, to get to a zero with an

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Speaker 2: outfit would be incredible. So I guess I uh, it's

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Speaker 2: just kind of the four things that are clean in

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Speaker 2: getting tired of all my clothes. Oh interesting, I mean

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Speaker 2: this shirt I've probably owned for fourteen years. Wow, let's wrong.

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Speaker 3: Take care of it, I would say somewhat. You know

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Speaker 3: Esther Peril. They're like, oh, of course, okay, So I

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Speaker 3: have mixed feelings. I think she's brilliant, but I also

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Speaker 3: think she's too focused on power. But anyway, but this

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Speaker 3: one of these books, talked about how she talked about

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Speaker 3: how people who have affairs aren't having affairs because they're

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Speaker 3: were just saying, like, I'm getting sick of my clothes.

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Speaker 3: Candles, scented candles. I'm obsessed with SCENTI candles, different incenses,

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Speaker 3: I guess that's what I'm trying to transition into. But

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Speaker 2: Yes, so what sort of candles are you getting into?

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Speaker 3: I will get DS andderga, I will get oh my god,

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Speaker 2: Of course, of course just a strange perfume smell.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, like a kind of peturely with a whiff

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Speaker 2: And it's purely chocolate and coffee. Yeah, there's no that's

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Speaker 3: You know, someone told me, like I had a when

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Speaker 3: It's like I want to get to that smell, but

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Speaker 2: Oh interesting. For you it is the journey, and for

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Speaker 2: me it's purely the goal. The goal should be the beginning.

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Speaker 2: For me, you want to be sated. I just want

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Speaker 2: to be teased into a tizz someone. You know what

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Speaker 2: I realized recently. This is gonna make me sound again

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Speaker 2: like such an old lady. But I think it's jasmine,

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Speaker 3: The bush, Like it won't work, and anyway, even if

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Speaker 3: And I think that's like a crush. That's my coffee, inceign.

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Speaker 3: That's the smell of jasmine. It's the unreal unrealizable.

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Speaker 2: There right, you just need the carrot dangling non stop, yes,

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Speaker 2: just never able to quite munch on it.

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Speaker 3: Let's hope.

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Speaker 2: I need a hope and I need results. I just

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Speaker 2: giving up. We should go into business together. We cover

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Speaker 2: each other's fine combination. Right, let's get us on shark tank. Well,

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Speaker 2: we both do our own thing. I think would be

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Speaker 3: I think we would do.

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Speaker 2: Now, do you like a treat? I mean, like, if

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Speaker 2: Or is it you're just fine with the smell?

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Speaker 3: I like it very much. And I used to mainline,

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Speaker 2: Oh like the uh what are those called?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Like a little friendly or something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, little friendlies, little compulsions. And I would eat those

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Speaker 3: and then I would but I would also order a

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Speaker 2: This is very taxi driver, your simple shepherd and taxi

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Speaker 3: You calling me simple shepherd and taxi driver is the

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Speaker 3: nicest thing anyone's ever said to me.

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Speaker 2: That's what That's what I want from someone. I want

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Speaker 2: someone to tell me that, and I'm not getting it.

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Speaker 3: Bridger me and the your simple.

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Speaker 2: Results just as for it, and you got the result

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Speaker 2: I mean me asking for is more, Travis Bickle in

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Speaker 2: top of a disgusting little apple pie. Good for you.

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Speaker 3: Do you feel like you have an inner Travis Bickle?

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Speaker 3: Do you feel like there's that like, under the right

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Speaker 2: Believe that I have that the possibility of me becoming

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Speaker 2: a completely dangerous person. Even a sliver of that would

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Speaker 2: be so exciting. I think I have an maybe an

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Speaker 2: inner king of comedy where I could kidnap and then,

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Speaker 2: you know, try to make a hero my own.

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Speaker 3: Who would you kidnap?

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's a great question. Who let me think?

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Speaker 3: It's hard?

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Speaker 3: I know that you're committing to it. It's it's definitely

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Speaker 2: You're absolutely warning them. And then I mean, but then

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Speaker 2: to They've really told their security this is person to

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Speaker 3: Someone told me this thing, and I have no idea

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Speaker 3: if it's true, but that like some guy was stalking

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Speaker 3: Steven Spielberg because he thought that Steven Spielberg wanted him

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Speaker 3: don't know if that's true or not, but I remember

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Speaker 3: thinking how utterly terrifying that would be so scary to

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Speaker 2: That reminds me of did you ever hear about David

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Speaker 2: Letterman's stalker who was saying that she claimed David Letterman

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, real?

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Speaker 2: I mean a great, nice reverse stalking attempt, which nobody

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Speaker 3: I'm not stalking you. You're stalking me.

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Speaker 2: Stop stalking me. Stop taking me to court.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're obsessed with me. You won't stop calling the

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Speaker 2: Interesting, it's a very smart move. It's shrewd.

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Speaker 3: It's really I'm trying to think who I would want. Okay,

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Speaker 3: let's do it this way. You can kidnap someone. They're

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Speaker 3: dead already. I'm not saying you're gonna kill some but

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Speaker 3: I'm saying, so you're safe from incriminating.

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Speaker 2: Right, So now a grave robber, So who would you

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Speaker 2: they're still a grave would you rob?

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Speaker 3: They're in exchange for the life of the woman who

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Speaker 3: gave you the orange slice, they are re animated and

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Speaker 3: give it directly into your possession.

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Speaker 2: Right right? Okay, somebody dead who I would want to

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Speaker 3: It's a mitzvah, It's a mitzvah.

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Speaker 2: Who would you take that as? I'm like, who has died?

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Speaker 3: This is true heresy. And I'm ashamed of myself, and

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Speaker 3: I don't think I'm right. I don't understand Prince. Oh, okay, well,

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Speaker 2: How much of Prince have you listened?

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Speaker 2: Well there's I mean, first of all, there is so much.

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Speaker 2: I think it's hard. It's hard to penetrate his catalog.

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Speaker 3: I like that song he did about one two Princes

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Speaker 3: It's about a rich guy and then there's a poor

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Speaker 2: Wait, what is I have no idea. What talk about one?

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Speaker 3: Two Princes will destroy You?

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Speaker 2: He's singing the spin Doctors, and I was thinking about

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Speaker 3: But I assume that that was gooes written by Prince.

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Speaker 2: Of course, it's about you know, he was kind of

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Speaker 2: But he wrote all Graceland.

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Speaker 3: Amazing. I uh, I remember hearing that Bruce Springsteen wrote

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Speaker 2: I leave that for one second. I like to tell

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Speaker 2: It's Prince getting fresh for once in his life. The

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Speaker 3: It sounds like he might have taken that from Bruno Mars.

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Speaker 3: I should have brought you followers. So if he's plagiarizing

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Speaker 2: Well who I mean the significance of Bruno Mars on music.

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Speaker 3: Be the Miles Davis of music. I've always said that about.

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Speaker 2: I've always you know, Bruno Mars from I mean I

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Speaker 3: Spiritually, he's a very I mean, there are people who

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Speaker 2: I've never heard a Bruno Mars song from beginning to end,

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Speaker 3: Because you were crying so hard by the middle.

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Speaker 2: I'm sobbing him on the floor. Turn off. I can't

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Speaker 2: I should have bought you, I should have bought you

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Speaker 2: flowers or brought brought well. I mean it either way works.

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Speaker 2: It's a really annoying one.

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Speaker 3: I think that I literally only know that one Bruno

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, A lot.

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Speaker 2: Just the way you are. Oh, there's one that's more

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Speaker 2: I actually do like, how have we not gotten to

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Speaker 3: And I'm just looking at all these.

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Speaker 2: Other uptown funk. Uptown Funk Funk is the one that

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Speaker 2: I believe that they said that about Bruno Mars.

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Speaker 3: Now, okay, so David Bowie Prince, those are people who

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Speaker 3: but like, in terms of deep cuts, reanimated celebrities that

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Speaker 2: Re animated celebrities, Okay, I have to think of one

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Speaker 2: I put a celebrity that is alive that I wouldn't

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, what a good choice.

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Speaker 2: I would love to have her around the house.

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Speaker 3: Yes, because I feel that like she would be a

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Speaker 3: you got too high, Diane, she would cut you down,

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Speaker 3: a trimming she'd trim your tree. She wouldn't lumberjack, you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it would feel healthy, and it'd be like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: I once when I first I'm bringing my dog up

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Speaker 3: I was like, wow, that's right, Like you don't get

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Speaker 3: I can easily imagine coming out of Diane West's mouth.

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Speaker 2: You know what I meant kind of a whisper.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and everything's a foster. Everything's a foster.

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Speaker 3: She's beautiful in every way that a person can be beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Did we ever get to you with a celebrity?

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Speaker 3: Weirdly, the first one that came to my head and

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't want to possess her, but I would want

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Speaker 2: Oh fantastic, right, excellent, joy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I just rewatched Moonstruck and I was like, that

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Speaker 2: It's hard. Anytime you're asked to recall information, the brain

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Carter, I love Jimmy Carter, Sweet Jimmy.

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Speaker 3: Me, that's right. Thank you for describing my walk as

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, the ruffling the hair. It's kind of an

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Speaker 2: It was so the most erotic thing a person could

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Speaker 3: It was amazing. It was like carrying assertive. It like

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Speaker 2: Master the amount of yeah, that little bit of caring

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Speaker 2: like clearly being like, oh this guy looks good, but

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Speaker 3: Yes, And I'm gonna like give it a little I

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm lightheaded thinking about it. I get it,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he strangled someone with their own tie.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I wonder if I could just ask a

436
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,479
Speaker 2: stranger because they have no bias, and just be like,

437
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:34,440
Speaker 2: what do you think of my outfit? You can say

438
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 2: whatever you want because you're not getting that from one

439
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:38,639
Speaker 2: else in your life. No one else is going to

440
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 2: give you the cold truth. But if I walk up

441
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,640
Speaker 2: to somebody in the grocery store and just say rate

442
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 2: me from A to F, I'm going to get the truth.

443
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 3: I do tend to think, and this might just be

444
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:53,400
Speaker 3: my own bias or a sort of projected lonesomeness or something.

445
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 3: I generally think people want to connect and that the

446
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 3: barrier to that is safety. It's feeling like this person's

447
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 3: going to hurt me. They're going to either take advantage

448
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 3: of me, or they're going to hurt my body, or

449
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 3: they're going to do something. But if you present as

450
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:13,440
Speaker 3: someone who is not out to cause harm, I think

451
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 3: people might really take you up on the opportunity to

452
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 3: have a frank conversation.

453
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 2: It's worth trying.

454
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 3: Maybe try it.

455
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 2: And people love giving their opinions. Yes, that's right. It's

456
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 2: like asking. It's a miniature survey and their the stakes

457
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 2: are so low for them. Yes.

458
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 3: And I also think if it's like if it's like

459
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 3: I like your clothes, although they might create an expectation

460
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 3: of reciprocity in a way that's not really that's true.

461
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't want to, I don't need to.

462
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,119
Speaker 3: Just got to be like, I need your opinion.

463
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 2: And I'm going to walk away. I'm not going to

464
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 2: say a thing to you.

465
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:43,880
Speaker 3: That's right.

466
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 2: It's going to be a cold interaction. But you are

467
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 2: going to help me, that's nice. I've thought about that,

468
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 2: and I think a genuinely good service would be a

469
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:53,959
Speaker 2: person who comes to your home and tells you if

470
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 2: it smells or not, Oh that's or get your car,

471
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 2: because you know, when you live in a house, or

472
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 2: you're in your car. You're used to these things and

473
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 2: you don't know if it smells bad. But for somebody

474
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 2: to come over, I give them fifty dollars and they

475
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 2: say this place smells horrible, right, or like determines what

476
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 2: the smell is. What a great service that would be.

477
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 3: That's a really good idea. I think sometimes if you've

478
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 3: been away from your house for a few weeks and

479
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 3: then you come back and you're like, oh, interesting, this

480
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 3: is the experience of a stranger walking into my house.

481
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and sometimes that can be bad.

482
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's startling, it is, it's.

483
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 2: Start familiar, becomes slightly off, but it's like because the

484
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 2: sense memory is there.

485
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 3: Right, it's uncanny valley. Have you ever seen one of

486
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,880
Speaker 3: those mirrors that reverses the You know, when you look

487
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 3: at a mirror, you're seeing the reverse image, but there

488
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,199
Speaker 3: are certain mirrors that then reflect the image back, so

489
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 3: you're seeing yourself as others see you.

490
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 2: Have you ever looked at the mirror?

491
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:50,640
Speaker 3: Yeah?

492
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 2: How does that How that feels like it's defying physics?

493
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 3: I think it's a It like reflects the image off

494
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,120
Speaker 3: of several different planes to arrive back at.

495
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 2: I mean, but when you do see yourself, what is

496
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 2: that the other flipped around?

497
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, terrifying, it's a little I used to talk to

498
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 3: an X of mine and say, I think the scariest

499
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 3: thing would be to wake up next to you and

500
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,239
Speaker 3: not find a different person there, but to find you

501
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 3: but your eyes are slightly further apart, or like your

502
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 3: nose is like half an inch longer, or like just you,

503
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 3: but plus some undeniable thing that can't be accounted for.

504
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 3: That to me just seems like a nightmare.

505
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, because there's nothing you can do about it, and

506
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 2: then you're thinking about it constantly, and you have the

507
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 2: memory of the old you, and it's an impostor you're

508
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 2: now living with an impostor.

509
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 3: I guess. So I think my friend's making a TV

510
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 3: show about this very thing.

511
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 2: No, you're kidding.

512
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 3: No, Yeah, I think he has. But it's a very

513
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 3: scary thought, very very scary.

514
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the trust is broken.

515
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 3: I remember when I was in summer camp as a

516
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 3: little kid, someone said to me, what if what I

517
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 3: see when I say green is what you your green

518
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 3: is my red? But language prevents us from and it

519
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 3: threw me into a depression. I remember walking around day

520
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 3: camp at the Lawrenceville School, Like in between swim classes,

521
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 3: I was like a little character from a Woody Allen

522
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 3: movie or something, just being like, oh fuck, Like language

523
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 3: is like we're all siloed in our own language prisons.

524
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 2: I think the thing that kids go through, because I

525
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 2: remember going through this being like, oh what if I mean,

526
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:30,239
Speaker 2: we just cannot express to another person what my reality is?

527
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 2: What if we think it's the same thing? And then

528
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 2: I mean that just explodes everything in your world?

529
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 3: What do you think? This is where I feel like

530
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 3: the most sure fire away I know, to tunnel under

531
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 3: all of the barriers. I think is like often the

532
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 3: night time pretentious, but I really do feel this way

533
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 3: is like art physical touch, and then like certain kind

534
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 3: of conversations that aren't necessarily even about what you're saying explicitly,

535
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 3: but as much as the sort of energetic loop that

536
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 3: exists between the two of you, Like I feel like

537
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 3: there's so few ways to be able to like get

538
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 3: through all the shrubbery to the other person, like for you,

539
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 3: like for me. So I think a lot of my

540
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,120
Speaker 3: most intimate experiences have been in audiences.

541
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 2: Or or making an audience memory.

542
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 3: Yeah because it's yeah, because I feel so close to

543
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 3: these people I've never even met before, but I feel

544
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 3: so profoundly understood and understanding of right or or sometimes

545
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 3: if I make something too then I can feel that

546
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 3: same thing if I feel like I've adequately expressed some

547
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 3: inexpressible thing.

548
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 2: Do you feel like for you, like, where do you

549
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 2: feel like.

550
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 3: The kind of where does the Berlin Wall fall down

551
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 3: in your life?

552
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 2: Where things where it feels like I'm purely communicating with

553
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 2: another person.

554
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're that language barrier even when you're speaking the

555
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 3: same language dissipates a little bit and you feel like, oh,

556
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 3: I know this person, this person knows me.

557
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 2: I think it's when one is when I don't like

558
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 2: the taste of something and they also don't I basically

559
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 2: I'm always looking. I'm always looking for people to basically

560
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 2: when somebody else doesn't like the same thing as me, yes,

561
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 2: that's when I'm especially when it's I mean, this happens

562
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 2: a lot recently actually, because there's so much on the internet.

563
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 2: There's so much hype about everything and everything is the

564
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 2: second coming of whatever, And then you go and experience

565
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 2: and you're like, oh am I an alien? I don't

566
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 2: I did not have and then you meet a friend

567
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 2: and you quietly talk about it and you have the

568
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 2: same It's like, oh my god, so okay, I feel you.

569
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,919
Speaker 2: I like you. At least our reality exists, even if

570
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 2: the huge one doesn't fit for us. It's true.

571
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 3: It's such a relief because it can feel so isolating

572
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 3: to be on the outside of a consensus that can

573
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 3: feel so.

574
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 2: Weird, full alien, especially.

575
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 3: Among people who you love and respect and they're all

576
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 3: in agreement and you're just thinking what is wrong with me?

577
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 3: I always think it's so interesting what we've collectively decided

578
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 3: is fun. Like like I was at this near the

579
00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 3: I guess it was like the Staples Center or something,

580
00:28:59,480 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 3: and there's like.

581
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 2: All these loud lights.

582
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 3: These lights are so crazy and it sounds everywhere, and

583
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 3: it's like, or you go to Vegas or like or

584
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 3: someplace like that, and you're like, this is what we've all,

585
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:16,479
Speaker 3: as like a global economy decided is fun. And to

586
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 3: me it just feels like hell, it's a complete Yeah.

587
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 2: Las Vegas, Oh my god. I mean, I can last

588
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 2: half an hour before my body is just screaming.

589
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 3: That's just to say you are screaming.

590
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 2: And I mean I was in New York last week

591
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 2: and I was I had to walk through Times Square

592
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 2: a few times, and it's it's the exact same thing

593
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 2: where it's just like, who is getting anything out of

594
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 2: this experience?

595
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, it's interesting. I guess in my own

596
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 3: life too, can maybe it's like mistaking numbness for fun,

597
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 3: Like sometimes I guess in my own life in different ways,

598
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 3: I will sort of make myself numb and think of

599
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 3: it as recreational, you know, for shopping or the eating

600
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 3: the pies or the way whatever. It's like it's highly

601
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 3: stimulating and that is relieving. And then so I think

602
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 3: it sort of categorize its fun in my brain. But

603
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 3: the truth is it's just about kind of comaing myself.

604
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 2: It's very much like pushing down on the wound. Yeah,

605
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,479
Speaker 2: very just like holding it so the pain feels different.

606
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 2: At least this is my entire life at this point.

607
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 2: I mean, I need a lobotomy because I'm like, oh,

608
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 2: I don't know that I can experience fun anymore. I

609
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 2: don't know that that's a thing. But the rare time

610
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 2: that it does happen, I mean, I'm describing depression, but

611
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 2: when it does happen, what a relief when you're like,

612
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 2: oh my god, I can laugh at something. Something can

613
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 2: still make me laugh. Or I saw Godzilla recently. I

614
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 2: heard that was great, did not expect the movie. I

615
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 2: was jumping in my seat. I was scared of Godzilla.

616
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 2: Oh I couldn't believe it. So there are occasionally times

617
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 2: where I'm like, oh, I'm not completely numb to everything.

618
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 3: My father worked at a mental hospital when he was

619
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 3: in his twenties, and he said, this is back when

620
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 3: there was less oversight. Maybe they're still not oversight, but anyway.

621
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 3: It was in I think New Hampshire, and he said

622
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 3: he didn't have a degree at this planet on it

623
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 3: was just like an orderly and he took the most

624
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 3: depressive cases, the people who were really struggling, and loaded

625
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 3: them all into a van and drove to an airport.

626
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:19,959
Speaker 3: I think it was in Vermont where there was one

627
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 3: of those landing strips where the planes come like screaming

628
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 3: down right above, you know what I mean. And he

629
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 3: parked the van and he had all of them get

630
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 3: out and lie on top of the van, in on

631
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 3: the hood, and then they just lay there while these

632
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 3: planes came like like over top of them. And he

633
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 3: said by the time they left, these people who were

634
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 3: like catatonically depressed were like bouncing off the walls. They

635
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 3: were so like hyped up. It's like they were scared

636
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 3: of God's ill. It was like they were just like, oh,

637
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 3: like they felt alive again, of.

638
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 2: Course, because it didn't feel like all of their nerve

639
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 2: endings were burnt.

640
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 3: Off, right right, I think that's right.

641
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 2: Wow. I mean God blessed putting them all, all of

642
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 2: these lives in danger. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

643
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 3: But I think also, like another thing about that is

644
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 3: like I have a friend who's an acting teacher who

645
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 3: like really kind of helped me learn about acting a

646
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 3: lot named Anya Saffer, who I adore, and she we

647
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 3: were talking about crying, like in scenes where you have

648
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 3: to cry or whatever. She was like, something I'd tell

649
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 3: my students a lot, because she would teach college kids too.

650
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 3: She said, is that I think if you could remove

651
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 3: all the social conditioning and repression and whatever else, she's like,

652
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 3: underneath all of that. I think most people are always

653
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 3: underneath that, on the verge of laughing or crying. Oh wow,

654
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 3: You're always sort of like hovering on the precipice of

655
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 3: one of those things, right, She's like, I don't know

656
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,239
Speaker 3: if that's true or not, but I've found it. I've

657
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 3: thought about it a lot since then.

658
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 2: I can't believe that. I mean, we're we can't get

659
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 2: into it right now because I will start crying. But

660
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 2: that's about a month ago. I was we're now two

661
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 2: months ago. I was at a stop lines like, I

662
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 2: haven't cried in a while. I wonder what that feels like.

663
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 2: And then my dog died like last week, but it

664
00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 2: was about a month long thing. And we will not

665
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 2: talk about this because I'll start crying. But oh, I'm

666
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 2: I'm definitely able to cry. And it's I mean, what

667
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 2: an experience, what a horrible feeling. It's crazy. But I

668
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 2: think that that is always there, and I guess it's

669
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 2: a good thing.

670
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 3: It's there. Yeah, I mean I think it's first of all,

671
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 3: I get it if you don't want to talk about

672
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 3: something so gutting on your characters.

673
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 2: We can't cry on this podcast. It's simply it's not

674
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 2: a thing to do.

675
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 3: But then again, there's no gifts allowed either, and what

676
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 3: do we have here. I mean, what I was going

677
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 3: to say about that is just like and we obviously

678
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 3: your podcast will cut it out if you want. But

679
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 3: I just think I really hate it when there's sort

680
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 3: of unanswerably painful things like the loss of a loved

681
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 3: one like a dog, and people try to shove their

682
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 3: silver lining down your throat to make them feel better.

683
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 2: Huh.

684
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 3: Someone did say something to me that I was like,

685
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 3: where it's like, the pain you experience is proportion to

686
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,719
Speaker 3: the love that you felt for the creature. Yes, And

687
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 3: my friend who lost his dog said this thing that

688
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 3: like made me cry, where he was like, buy the ticket,

689
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 3: take the ride, And I was like, oh, boy.

690
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 2: That's that's what it is. I mean, I yeah, I

691
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 2: mean like I've never really grieved for I mean, I've

692
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 2: had grandparents die that sort of thing where it felt

693
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 2: like it was time or almost time, But for this,

694
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 2: this is the first time as an adult that this

695
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 2: has happened to me. And I mean it's just the

696
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 2: most gutting feeling. But I've like I've been kind of

697
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 2: having realizations about all of this, and what I kind

698
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 2: of tried to frame it as is just it's the

699
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 2: compression of all of that joy, the nine years of

700
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 2: joy I had, is just suddenly being pushed through into

701
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 2: a small thing that I get to keep, and of

702
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 2: course that's going to be painful. It's it's just like

703
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 2: all of that is just getting crushed into a thing

704
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 2: that I get to keep. But in the process that's

705
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 2: going to be horrible, and it has been. But what

706
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 2: a wonderful little gift that Adie gave to me and

707
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 2: my boyfriend. Yeah, not a fun experience and totally worth it.

708
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 2: Of course I would do it a million times again

709
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 2: to have her, But it's not fun.

710
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 3: I think I've never heard it described that way. It's

711
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 3: almost like when people take their blankets from the winter

712
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 3: and shrink them down into the little like this is

713
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 3: like you said something very beautiful and poetic, and now

714
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 3: I'm framing it in terms of the container story. But

715
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 3: I think that that idea of like a resizing of

716
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 3: It's like the amount of love, the magnitude of love

717
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 3: doesn't change, but the kind of packaging is shrunk to

718
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 3: the past or something.

719
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 2: Right, it's like a.

720
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 3: Complicated I know what you mean. And I remember talking

721
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 3: to somebody once who was like studied protracted grief, Like

722
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 3: whatever the fuck that is? Like he was like, oh no, no, no, no,

723
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 3: it was this his girlfriend studied like a pathological grief,

724
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,280
Speaker 3: which I guess is grief that extends endlessly.

725
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 2: Right, it's not all grief, I feel. I mean, it's

726
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 2: an endless well right, Yeah.

727
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 3: But I guess one thing he said that I thought

728
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 3: was interesting that he was quoting her. I didn't meet her,

729
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 3: but she was that often people who grieve intensely for

730
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 3: a long time, the grief occupies the vacancy that the

731
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 3: person or dog or whatever left. So it's like, rather

732
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 3: than just have this sort of cavity, the act of

733
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 3: grieving takes up some of the emotional real estate where

734
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 3: all of that engagement and love and everything used to be.

735
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 2: That makes perfect sense.

736
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought it was like helpful and interesting.

737
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 2: Wow.

738
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 3: Anyway, I'm really sorry you're going through it.

739
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 2: That's okay. Let's talk about these people shrinking blankets. They

740
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 2: shrink them for a convenience.

741
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 3: They shrink them down. I mean, you can get it's

742
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 3: basically vacuum bags.

743
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 2: It's like they're not like putting them through the wash.

744
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 3: No, those would be I mean I was like.

745
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 2: Oh, so they're ruining of the thing they owned so

746
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 2: they could save space. Okay, good for them.

747
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 3: It's at the end of every winter you smash all

748
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 3: your plates.

749
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 2: I don't have the space. I simply don't have the space.

750
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 2: We've got to destroy these things.

751
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,720
Speaker 3: Too hot to have these plates.

752
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 2: Okay, well, this is I mean, the way you've distracted

753
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 2: from the gift. Sorry, I mean you've throw I mean

754
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 2: you've taken us through a loop. We're running out of

755
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 2: time here. We should open the gime gift. Let's get

756
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:22,479
Speaker 2: into this gift I'm pulling out.

757
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 3: It requires explanation.

758
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 2: Okay, So what I'm seeing so far is it's like

759
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 2: a little book or journal that says children on it.

760
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 3: Now I understand to the listeners, one grown man giving

761
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 3: another grown man a book which has just a brown

762
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 3: cover that says children on it when the conversation started

763
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 3: with kidnapping does not bode particularly well.

764
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 2: What is the chitty chitty bang bang characters of the

765
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 2: child snatcher or something?

766
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I promise to not be that chitty chitty bank

767
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 3: bank character. That is not the intent or content of

768
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 3: this gift. But if it's raising alarm bells for you

769
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 3: on as you're listening, I understand, but don't worry, it'll

770
00:37:58,880 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 3: be Okay.

771
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,280
Speaker 2: What is this?

772
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 3: This is a book of famous historical figures when they

773
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 3: were little.

774
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,720
Speaker 2: Kids, Oh my god. And it's a mix.

775
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 3: It's like it'd be like Neil Armstrong and Asama bin

776
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 3: Laden and the name of the kid is on the

777
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 3: next page, so you can look and be like, who

778
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 3: is that. I think that's Winston Churchhill, and then you

779
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 3: turn the page and you find out if you were

780
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,280
Speaker 3: right or wrong. But you get to see like Oppenheimer

781
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 3: or like I think Manson's in there. But then also

782
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 3: like musicians like in Lewis Armstrong.

783
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 2: Okay, right, you know, so.

784
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 3: It's like just seeing all these people who had this

785
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 3: outsize kind of like effect on the world, which as

786
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 3: you describe Bruno Mars for example, but you know before

787
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 3: they were any of the things that they would be known.

788
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 2: For, right, I mean, and before you describe it to me.

789
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 2: I flipped open the book and it said Mick Jagger

790
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 2: on the page, and I looked at the not knowing

791
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:48,479
Speaker 2: how it worked.

792
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 3: I looked at this photo and it's like kind of

793
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 3: like it's probably Chekhov or something. It's just like very nine.

794
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know who this is.

795
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the other thing. It'll make you feel dumb

796
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 3: because some of the people.

797
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 2: Use Charles Edouard Jannaire or gree Yeah, I don't know.

798
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 2: Eighteen eighty seven to nineteen sixty five, my dufus. So

799
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 2: did you look at the real make Dagger picture. Let's see,

800
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 2: I should look at it. Let's see here. Okay, there's

801
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 2: the mixed jack no one love. The teeth are there. Yeah,

802
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 2: the teeth were ready to go, and so is the

803
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 2: cunning in his eyes. Oh yeah, he's ready to like

804
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 2: take over the world. He's ready to play Wembley. Did

805
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 2: they ever play Wembley? Oh? I hope? So? I mean

806
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 2: what were they doing?

807
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 3: What were they doing?

808
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 2: What could they have possibly been? Okay, well tell me

809
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 2: why you brought this? This is so beautiful.

810
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 3: I think it's a beautiful book, and I.

811
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 2: Think Osama bin Laden.

812
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 3: Okay, there he is. It's so sad to look at it.

813
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,720
Speaker 3: It'll say which one's him. But there's the bin Laden

814
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 3: family altogether having a good time. It's so weird.

815
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,240
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, just I mean they look like the Partridge

816
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 2: family or something.

817
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, isn't it streme? So western eyed too? It's not

818
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 3: like but I think I guess I was just trying

819
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,479
Speaker 3: to think since we've never met something that I felt

820
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 3: like reflected stuff I'm oh shit, if you open the

821
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 3: front cover, the whole book is black and white. But no, no, no,

822
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 3: just the Jack of Party. It matches your outfit.

823
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 2: Oh it kind of does. Look how nice then?

824
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 3: And the background this is beautiful. But I was going

825
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 3: to say, I think it reflects my what I hope

826
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 3: to cold in my head whenever I'm meeting anyone or

827
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,479
Speaker 3: being met by someone, which usually happens at the same time.

828
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:35,720
Speaker 3: It's just the kind of like delicate, vulnerable thing, especially

829
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 3: if like a pod, because I don't do that many podcasts,

830
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 3: partly because I feel shy and partly because I feel

831
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 3: like I'm not sure which version of myself I'm supposed

832
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 3: to bring.

833
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 2: An interesting thing. Who you become on a podcast? Right,

834
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 2: it's like that you, but just like slightly cocained. It's like,

835
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 2: this is the person I wish I could be all

836
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,760
Speaker 2: the time that I can think of things to talk about,

837
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 2: and then in public, I'm like everything I say is

838
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 2: too words long, and I can barely communicate with people.

839
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 3: I think the takeaways you just have to start doing

840
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 3: a little bit of cocaine all the time.

841
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 2: There's a reason I don't do cocaine. It's because I

842
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 2: need it and it will ruin me.

843
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, so it's just trying to something I'm

844
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 3: trying to do with varying results. Is it's funny like

845
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 3: when I did press in the past for like TV

846
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 3: shows that came out. I again talked to my therapist.

847
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 3: I was like, man, I feel like such a whore.

848
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 3: I just feel like, no disrespect to sex workers, but

849
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 3: I felt like a whore, like an old strumpet. And

850
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 3: just like I go out and I do myself deprecating

851
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 3: story and I'm just such a putts. But she's and

852
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 3: I don't know how to not feel like a dirty

853
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 3: little like I don't know sales boy, right, And she

854
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 3: said this thing I thought was so great. She was like,

855
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 3: when you go out onto one of these shows, just

856
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 3: like sit down and look at the host in the eye,

857
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:57,919
Speaker 3: which is now we're looking at each other.

858
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 2: The strongest eye contact two people could possibly have.

859
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 3: Well, there's no getting away from it, she said, try

860
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 3: and find something lovable about them, because then you can

861
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 3: have a moment of human warmth that exists on television

862
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 3: and it's not going to change the world, but it'll

863
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 3: be a nice little moment. And I and I think

864
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 3: not allowing the noise of my own self consciousness or

865
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 3: the situation to drown out the kind of little kid

866
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 3: versions of me or other people something I try to do.

867
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 3: In this case, it's very easy because you guys are

868
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 3: so lovely and it's a beautiful day and we're having

869
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 3: this really nice conversation. But then sometimes there'll be in

870
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 3: a situation where it's it's a real kind of olympic

871
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 3: feat to not become a shrieky nightmare version of yourself.

872
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 2: And that's kind of what you're known as, kind of

873
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,720
Speaker 2: a shrieky nightmare. That's what people say about Zach Ones.

874
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 2: I'm having lunch with less moon vests. You're the last

875
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 2: person that's having lunch with less moonvess.

876
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 3: Our table at the pole a lounge is occupied, and

877
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 3: I'm going to throw a fit.

878
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 2: H No, I understand that, And I also think, I mean,

879
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 2: podcasts are a little different because they can be more organic.

880
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 2: When you go on a late night show or whatever,

881
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 2: you've got four minutes in front of a weird audience

882
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 2: that's been standing outside in Times Square of Hollywood Boulevard,

883
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 2: that you're like, who am I entertaining here? Why are

884
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 2: any of us.

885
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 3: Here, right, if you're lucky, they think you're Zach Braff

886
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 3: and they give you some of his goodwill. But I

887
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 3: and it's pre interviews too. That's the other thing that's

888
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 3: so fascinating is like the pre interview thing where you

889
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 3: sort of vet stories in advance.

890
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 2: Do the exact thing that's going to happen with the host, right,

891
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 2: but you're speaking with the producer first. Fascinating things.

892
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 3: It's an interesting thing. I remember I never read this

893
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 3: book because I'm too lazy, but there's a George Saunders

894
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 3: book about writing. My friend Brandon Gardner, who I write

895
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 3: everything we work on together with, he told me that

896
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 3: that George Saunders says that if you're outlining, like for

897
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 3: a writer, yeah, it's almost like if you went on

898
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 3: a date with index cards with things that you were

899
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 3: going to say on the date, where it's like it

900
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 3: cuts you off from the present moment so that you're

901
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 3: not actually in a flow. You're just like holding fast

902
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 3: to your little like life social life preserver, right. And

903
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 3: I think like a pre interview is a little bit

904
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 3: like that, where it's like, okay, now I say this,

905
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 3: instead of just being like, what's going to happen?

906
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 2: Right. I mean it's literally there on cards in front

907
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 2: of your host.

908
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yeah, it's You're right, it actually is on cards.

909
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 3: It's yeah.

910
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like Loe's late night shows need to

911
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 2: get away from it. Let's get back to like those

912
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 2: seventies interviews where it's just beginning to end one conversation

913
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 2: with a person.

914
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 3: That's a great idea. Those old Dick Kavic shows incredible,

915
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 3: so good.

916
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got to play a game.

917
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 3: Let's play a game.

918
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:48,760
Speaker 2: I would keep you here all day, but yes.

919
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 3: It's fun. I'm having a nice time. Thank you for

920
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 3: having me.

921
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 2: A wonderful time. Thank you for being here. New Year.

922
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 2: Let's play. Let's start with gift or a curse. I

923
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 2: need a number between one and ten from you.

924
00:44:58,680 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 3: Eight.

925
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 2: Okay, I have to do some like calculating. While I

926
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 2: do this, you can recommend, promote, do whatever you want.

927
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 2: I'll be right back.

928
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 3: So Brandon and I. Brandon the guy was just talking about,

929
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 3: made this stop motion show with Mike Judge called In

930
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 3: the Know, and it takes place in an NPR studio

931
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 3: and it's made with these crazy, beautiful stop motion puppets

932
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 3: that were made by the same people who did Guerma

933
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 3: del Toro's Pinocchio. And what's crazy about stop motion is

934
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 3: like each character is played by the person who voices them,

935
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:32,720
Speaker 3: and then like thirty people all make each person come alive,

936
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 3: so you see little pieces of each of their personalities

937
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 3: in each of the puppets. And I think something that

938
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 3: I like about stories is that sometimes they can show

939
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 3: that people are more than one thing, that they're not

940
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 3: just one identity or one I'm making this sound so

941
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 3: heavy and it's like a goofy show about NPR and

942
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 3: like has a lot of dick jokes and stuff. So

943
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 3: but anyway, it's a there's all these characters that have

944
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 3: been done by all these puppeteers who are geniuses, and

945
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's a hopefully a warm

946
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 3: show and funny, and so I hope people watch it.

947
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 2: It looks delightful, and any animation that's not CGI I'm

948
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 2: on board with. Yeah, when it feels at least like

949
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 2: humans were involved for part of the experience, it's always refreshing.

950
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not like a screensaver made by an AI,

951
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 3: right right, Yeah, And it's on January twenty fifth, It's

952
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 3: going to be on peacock.

953
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 2: Peacock, been watching the Traders on Peacock, So I've got

954
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 2: my subscription. Is that what we're calling these things? I

955
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,439
Speaker 2: was going to say prescription, Yeah, but as.

956
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 3: Far as I gave you a peacock account.

957
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 2: Beautiful, everyone go watch that. My recommendation this week. I mean,

958
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 2: we talked about this already, so I might as well say.

959
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 2: There's a song called On and On by Long Pig

960
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 2: because it's such a wonderful song, old song. If you

961
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 2: want to just be devastated, go listen to this song.

962
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 3: And long Pig I think was that a slang for human? Right?

963
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 3: They would call it long ping. Someone told me that

964
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,919
Speaker 3: that it was like long pig. I don't know where

965
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 3: I heard that from, but I remember hearing that this

966
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 3: they call humans, or maybe was dead humans.

967
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:07,760
Speaker 2: He called humans? Who else? Who's calling the constable? Okay?

968
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 2: This is how we play gift a curse. I'm gonna

969
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 2: name three things. You're gonna tell me if there are

970
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 2: a gift or a curse and why, and then I'll

971
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 2: tell you if you're right or wrong? Are correct? Answers?

972
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 2: All right? Number one? This is from a listener named Parker.

973
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 2: Gift or a curse people who say goose pimples or

974
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 2: goose flesh instead of goose bumps.

975
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 3: Curse why because the morbid fascination with acne has to stop,

976
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 3: Doctor pimple popper, all this fucking stuff. It's like to me,

977
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 3: it's like one wrung below snuff films. I would prefer

978
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 3: you watch old sixteen millimeter of people being killed, thrill killed,

979
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 3: then watch that shit. It's it's sub human.

980
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 2: Excellent beginning to the game. Yeah, both of those are

981
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 2: disgusting ways to describe it. I don't need I don't

982
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 2: need those images in my head. And yeah, I really

983
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 2: would rather watch somebody be stabbed to death and watch

984
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 2: a pimple get exploded. No, thank you, thank you, take it,

985
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 2: thank you excellently played. Number two. This is from a

986
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 2: listener named Rebecca. Gift or a curse introducing two of

987
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 2: your friends from different circles and later discovering they've become

988
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 2: quite close and hang out often.

989
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 3: Well, this presupposes that you have more than one friend,

990
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 3: which puts me out of contention.

991
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 2: For a huge stretch for you.

992
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 3: I can't. I think it's a gift. I think it's

993
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 3: definitely a gift that could feel like a curse depending

994
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,720
Speaker 3: on how fragile you are in any given moment.

995
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 2: Hmm.

996
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 3: It's beautiful when people love each other and you want

997
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 3: people to connect, especially people you adore. But if you're

998
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 3: feeling like a negligible little scrap or an unlovable goblin person,

999
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 3: then you might have abandonment anxieties that are activated by

1000
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 3: two people who you know to be beautiful pairing up

1001
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 3: without you.

1002
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:09,240
Speaker 2: So, oh, Zach, wrong, a betrayal? Now you're better friends

1003
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 2: than we are. What's happening to it? I set this

1004
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 2: thing up. I didn't mean to set this thing up.

1005
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 2: And now suddenly you're just doing things in the shadows

1006
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:21,240
Speaker 2: without me sanctioning it. You know, no, no, no, unless

1007
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 2: I say I'm setting you to up as friends, yes,

1008
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 2: that's a different story. But if we're just you know,

1009
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 2: we kind of mushed together and then suddenly you're out

1010
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 2: to dinner with these people and I didn't get invited.

1011
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 3: What's wrong with those perverts?

1012
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely sick, disgusting perverted behavior. And although I actually

1013
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 2: did this to a friend, but you know, I like

1014
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 2: my you know, I like to dip my toe in perversion,

1015
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 2: and so I'm okay to do it. But curse, so

1016
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 2: you do lose until we hate to see it.

1017
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 3: I hate to see it.

1018
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 2: Number three. This is from a listener named Mark gif

1019
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 2: you a curse lottery tickets as gifts?

1020
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 3: Curse?

1021
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 2: Why didn't say?

1022
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 3: I think I heard someone say that lottery tickets are

1023
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 3: attacks on hope? And who wants to give your friend

1024
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:19,280
Speaker 3: a tax of any kind, let alone one on hope

1025
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 3: as a gift. It's also like both you're probably statistically,

1026
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 3: you're probably gifting disappointment and at best you're gifting the

1027
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 3: least personal gift card that could possibly exist. At least

1028
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 3: get them like a gift card to outback or something.

1029
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 3: But don't be like, hey, this is probably worth less

1030
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 3: than nothing. But also if it is something, it will

1031
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 3: be totally anonymous, so correct totally curse. Yeah, it's either worthless,

1032
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 3: this is what a lottery ticket is. It's either worthless

1033
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 3: or it's going to ruin my life because that's what

1034
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 3: we know with a lottery. So you either want me

1035
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 3: to win the you know, the mega millions and then

1036
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 3: suddenly my life is falling apart because I don't know

1037
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 3: how to handle that much money, or I've got a

1038
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 3: piece of paper that I just have to throw away,

1039
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 3: and I've got the the little silver dust that I

1040
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 3: had to scratch off with my fingernail. You know, I

1041
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 3: never thought about it that way, because then you're right,

1042
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 3: you win the lottery, and then you're like, probably you

1043
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 3: become the kidnapping target. Oh completely, someone wants.

1044
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 2: You, so many people want you. I mean, you get

1045
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 2: to be probably you could be on a lottery dream

1046
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 2: home on HGTV, which I've consumed a decent amount of. Uh.

1047
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 3: But Joanna Gaines.

1048
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 2: That is not Joanna gains That's a man who I

1049
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 2: don't know his name. Heavily tattooed man that wears a

1050
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 2: lot of kind of flowy coats, and then he.

1051
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 4: Helps people Chriss Angel. It's Angel. Crist Angel has pivoted.

1052
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 4: He is helping people find homes. He he loves real estate.

1053
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 4: Oh my god, that's a great idea.

1054
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 3: Ultimate mind Freak is an affordable mortgag.

1055
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 2: We have got to develop that for Chris. I don't

1056
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 2: know what else he's doing.

1057
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,919
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, we probably don't even know the

1058
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 3: necromancy he's up too, and.

1059
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,720
Speaker 2: Should help people find homes in the Vegas area, exclusively

1060
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 2: Vegas suburbs.

1061
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 3: I would honestly, for real, watch a show where magicians

1062
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 3: help people find homes.

1063
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 2: Oh my god, are you kidding me? That would be on.

1064
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,399
Speaker 2: I would just leave that on like one of those

1065
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 2: fish tank screen savers. I would just be on my

1066
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 2: TV all the time. Well, you got two out of three.

1067
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 2: That's not so bad. It's really not too bad.

1068
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 3: Sixty six.

1069
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 2: This is sixty six, and that's not an F. And

1070
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 2: so you can, you know, go to community college and

1071
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 2: get your grades up, but then maybe transfer to a

1072
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 2: different school. You can do whatever you want with the

1073
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 2: sixty six. There's no one stopping you. No, you don't

1074
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 2: have to go to summer school. I refuse, you, absolutely refuse. Okay,

1075
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 2: this is the final segment of the podcast. It's called

1076
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 2: I said no emails. People write in to I said

1077
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 2: no gifts at gmail dot com and they're desperate for answers.

1078
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 3: I like that. I am confident and prescriptive.

1079
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're gonna need that today because let me

1080
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 2: read this. It says, hello Bridger and guest, since you

1081
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 2: answer every question perfectly. Oh that's very nice. I was

1082
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 2: hoping you would offer flirt. Someone's flirting. Someone wants to

1083
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 2: kiss me.

1084
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 3: Stop trying to kiss him. Email is not the way

1085
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 3: to do.

1086
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 2: Stop chasing me around. I was hoping you would offer

1087
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 2: your wisdom on the situation I found myself in. I

1088
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 2: cannot think of anyone more qualified to help me with this. Okay,

1089
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 2: the teasing continues. I started at a company just three

1090
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 2: months ago, and last week my husband. Oh and now

1091
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 2: there's a husband involved in the Oh.

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00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 3: This is I mean, the forbidden. What is more enticing?

1093
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 2: Nothing's more enticing than me.

1094
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 3: There you go, and I got bad news writer. He's

1095
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 3: results oriented. So if you're just trying to live in

1096
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 3: a liminal space of provocation, look at not happening.

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00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 2: Last week, my husband and I found out we are

1098
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 2: expecting our second child. While we are excited about this,

1099
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 2: it was unplanned and the timing is tricky. As I'm

1100
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 2: still new in my position, I'm struggling on the timing

1101
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 2: and manner in which I share this news with my

1102
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 2: new boss.

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00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 3: Oh wow.

1104
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 2: I am also dealing with the common symptom of pregnancy illness,

1105
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 2: and I'm concerned I will have to tell him sooner

1106
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 2: rather than later do to how ill I've been Do

1107
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 2: I schedule a meeting, tell him in passing, not tell

1108
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 2: him and just call out sick for weeks after the birth.

1109
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 2: Maybe a gift would be appropriate in this situation. I

1110
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 2: anxiously am awaiting your response, and that's from Hannah. What

1111
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 2: does Hannah do pregnant Hannah?

1112
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,720
Speaker 3: Well, I will say I do think more women should

1113
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 3: come to me for advice about prenatal issues, childcare, say

1114
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 3: childless man, you're a pro. I'm definitely the guy who

1115
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 3: who has sage advice. I'm basically a doula. I think

1116
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 3: I think my first piece of advice would be to

1117
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 3: ignore whatever I say next, and my second piece of

1118
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 3: vice take the terrifying. I guess my advice would be

1119
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 3: she wants to know when to tell him and how

1120
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 3: to tell him right when.

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00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 2: And how, and she's been at the job for three months,

1122
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:14,879
Speaker 2: so she's still kind of new girl in town.

1123
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 3: Intuitively, I feel like it should be someplace quiet where

1124
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 3: it's just the two of them.

1125
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 2: In person, Okay, intimate.

1126
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 3: I'm not saying you have to like, you know, just

1127
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 3: like an office would do, but I think just feeling

1128
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,720
Speaker 3: like you can connect. I think trying to like toss

1129
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 3: that off in a casual way. If it were me

1130
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 3: and I had something as like vulnerable in life altering

1131
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 3: as that, and I was like, oh, ps for me,

1132
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 3: it would make me feel a little bit like I'd

1133
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 3: handled myself kind of roughly right, regardless of that other

1134
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 3: person's response. So we can't control what Keith her boss

1135
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,800
Speaker 3: name is Keith, right, We can't control what Keith does.

1136
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 3: He might react very poorly, he might be very supportive.

1137
00:55:58,200 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 3: We don't know him well enough. It's only been a

1138
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 3: few months, but we know that for Hannah's sake, Hannah

1139
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 3: needs to do Hannah, and Hannah needs to approach this

1140
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 3: in a situation that feels like it maximizes mental health

1141
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 3: for Hannah.

1142
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 2: And the baby baby.

1143
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 3: I don't I'm not a fan of that.

1144
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 2: Cares about this baby. It's created a.

1145
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:17,839
Speaker 3: Problem he he she whatever they This baby was not

1146
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 3: planned and is an intruder in.

1147
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 2: The sho showed up three months into the job and

1148
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 2: is now I mean, just causing chaos wherever it goes.

1149
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 3: It's undermining you professionally, and I do mean it.

1150
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:30,479
Speaker 2: It wants the job.

1151
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 3: This baby's trying to snake you. I swear to God.

1152
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:35,839
Speaker 3: Look on monster dot com and if you see a fetus.

1153
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 2: And it's got an incredible profile, it's badgering Keith, look

1154
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:42,879
Speaker 2: at my CV. Is that what that's called?

1155
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 3: Yes, CVV, Yeah, applied for if you hear like an

1156
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 3: email alert from within your womb, just know that that

1157
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 3: baby just got an email. A second interview with Keith.

1158
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think your advice here is good. I think

1159
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 2: you tell Keith Hope that he fires you and then

1160
00:56:58,680 --> 00:56:59,760
Speaker 2: sue him into Oblivia.

1161
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 3: That's beautiful.

1162
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 2: Take the company down.

1163
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 3: Yes, and she works for UNISEF.

1164
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 2: That's right.

1165
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, rip them to pieces handed.

1166
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 2: About time, come on goodbye.

1167
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 3: You take them for all their worth. When they're done,

1168
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 3: they won't have a pot to piss in. Hannah.

1169
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's good advice. And I think until

1170
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 2: the big reveal, carry a huge bag of groceries around. Yeah,

1171
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 2: just cover up, make sure nobody knows, and then you

1172
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 2: drop it on the floor. Keith, I'm pregnant. He fires

1173
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 2: you and now you're in court.

1174
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 3: Maybe you preempt it. You go, Keith, I'm pregnant, you pig.

1175
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 2: You freak, you sick freak firing me. I always hated you.

1176
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 2: Oh I'm fired.

1177
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 3: It's almost like the David Letterman thing where it's like

1178
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 3: you're stalking me. It's like so Keith, I hear you're

1179
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 3: firing me for being pregnant. Let it backfoot him.

1180
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 2: Let him sue you first, then counter sue. He'll never

1181
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 2: see it coming.

1182
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 3: He's a fool.

1183
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 2: You will be tied up in court for years. This

1184
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 2: baby will go through high school before you get out

1185
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 2: of this, and everyone will be ruined.

1186
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that is where all of my advice inevitably

1187
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 3: leads to the universal ruin.

1188
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 2: Just kind of a life wasted excellent advice. I think

1189
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 2: Hannah's on her way to I mean, working.

1190
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 3: Girl, working girl. That My most urgent piece of advice

1191
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 3: is stop learning with with me.

1192
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, it's I mean.

1193
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 3: It's tacky, it's ghost it's hideous.

1194
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, Hannah's ultimately a gross, pregnant fire suing person, and

1195
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 2: I don't want her tor ever right back in again, Hannah,

1196
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 2: get out of my life, Zach. I've had such a

1197
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 2: wonderful time with you, and I've now got this beautiful

1198
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 2: little book that if I were to just lay on

1199
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 2: the table, people might be mildly confused when they just

1200
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 2: see that I have a children, but there will be

1201
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 2: a lot of explaining to do that's right, and that

1202
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 2: creates conversation.

1203
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 3: There you go and you don't even have to do cook.

1204
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, this would be a nice little thing to do

1205
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 2: cocaine off of.

1206
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 3: Actually you really do. Yeah, I see why you don't

1207
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 3: do cocaine. It's like, really just a thought away every time,

1208
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 3: every week, rain storming ways to get the stuff in

1209
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 3: my nose. Thank you so much for thank you. I

1210
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 3: had a great time. Thanks for having me. Thank you.

1211
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 2: Uh, listener, the podcast is over. You know it's over.

1212
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 2: You're denying it. You're trying to get on with your

1213
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 2: you know you're not trying to. You're delaying your I

1214
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 2: need you to stop listening. I've got to get you

1215
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 2: off the podcast and doing something else. Get out of here.

1216
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 2: I love you, goodbye. I said No Gifts is an

1217
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 2: exactly right production. It's produced by our dear friend Analise Nelson,

1218
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 2: and it's beautifully mixed by Ben Holliday. And we couldn't

1219
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 2: do it without our guest booker Patrick Kottner. The theme song,

1220
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 2: of course, could only come from miracle worker Amy Man.

1221
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 2: You must follow the show on Instagram at I Said

1222
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 2: No Gifts. I don't want to hear any excuses. That's

1223
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 2: where you get to see pictures of all these gorgeous

1224
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 2: gifts I'm getting, And don't you want to see pictures

1225
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 2: of the gifts?

1226
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 1: And I invited you, hear, I thought, I made myself

1227
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: perfectly clear. When you're a guest to my home, you

1228
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: gotta come to me empty. And I said, no gifts,

1229
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 1: you're our presences. Presence enough. I already had too much stuff,

1230
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 1: So how did you dare to surbey me?