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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. In this episode three and today

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Speaker 1: the show, We've got Dan in Fault back with us,

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Speaker 1: and today we're running through the what would you do?

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Speaker 1: Gauntlet of hypothetical deer hunting scenarios. All right, welcome to

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Speaker 1: the wire to Hunt podcast, brought to you by Onyx.

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Speaker 1: Today we're back with our third installment of this what

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Speaker 1: would so and so do? Format series of sorts. This

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Speaker 1: new idea that I started a few weeks ago, as

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Speaker 1: you've heard me discuss, in which I'm trying to find

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Speaker 1: new ways to get inside the minds of some of

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Speaker 1: the best deer hunters in the country. Right, We've been

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Speaker 1: doing this for seven years. We've talked to hundreds of

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Speaker 1: different deer hunters. There's hundreds of different deer hunting podcasts

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Speaker 1: out there now, and a lot of it's the kind

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Speaker 1: of same thing. So how can we get to that

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Speaker 1: next level? That's what I'm wondering, and that's what this story,

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Speaker 1: this situational type approach attempts to do. If you haven't

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Speaker 1: listened to the last couple episodes of John Eberhardt or

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Speaker 1: Steve Bartilla, here's the gist. Basically, I'm going to present

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Speaker 1: our guest today as Dan in fault with a hypothetical scenario,

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Speaker 1: and then I'm going to ask him to explain what

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Speaker 1: he would do and why he would do it. Now.

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Speaker 1: Dan is probably familiar to a lot of you. He's

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Speaker 1: been on the show I think three different times, um

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Speaker 1: the founder of the Hunting Beast forum and YouTube channel

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Speaker 1: uh Hunting Beast Gear. He's been all over the place.

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Speaker 1: He's really popularized, popular rised much of the much of

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Speaker 1: the strategy around hunting buck beds and how you can

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Speaker 1: really form your whole hunting premise around that. Um. So,

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Speaker 1: if you are into hunting beds, if you're wanting to

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Speaker 1: better understand buck betting ears, if you're interested in hunting

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Speaker 1: hill country or swamp country, all these things are things

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Speaker 1: that Dan really specializes in. He's a tremendous resource. If

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Speaker 1: you have not heard our first couple episodes with him,

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Speaker 1: I would recommend listening to those first, because that's where

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Speaker 1: That's where you get the foundational stuff. I kind of

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Speaker 1: assume that knowledge in this conversation, and so I start

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Speaker 1: asking Dan kind of the next level questions. I put

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Speaker 1: variation or that variation. So having the background will help you. UM.

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Speaker 1: That said, you don't have to do that. You can listen.

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Speaker 1: You're probably gonna still get a lot from today too.

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Speaker 1: But go back and search for Dan Infault in the

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Speaker 1: Wired Done archives. He was in one of the first

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Speaker 1: helpful too. So today we cover a lot of different ground.

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Speaker 1: We dive into some different approaches Dan has to hunting,

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Speaker 1: farm ground. We do talk about swamp and hill country bedding.

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Speaker 1: So I just want to say, Hey, I appreciate you guys.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you listening. I appreciate you picking up copies

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Speaker 1: of my book That Wild Country. I appreciate you guys

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Speaker 1: these days. And so thank you. Thank you for your patience,

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Speaker 1: it with our conversation with Dan in Fault, and we're

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Speaker 1: hopping on the show. Agun, You're no problem. I was.

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Speaker 1: know there've been eight billion different podcasts out there. How

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Speaker 1: do that. That's that's substantial. Thank you Dan for not

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Speaker 1: listened to the wire Tump podcast. They know what to do.

430
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:41,160
Speaker 1: At least they know what to do. I'm not saying

431
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:42,399
Speaker 1: they do the right thing all the time, but at

432
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,639
Speaker 1: least they know what to do, and they're hunting the

433
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 1: edges and they know about this buck too. In that case,

434
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 1: would you do the exact same thing or would you

435
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 1: be a little bit more conservative? Now, how would that

436
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:59,400
Speaker 1: switch it up at all? Well? I would you don't?

437
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 1: I think I still hunt the same. Um. I think

438
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,200
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta get in there when I hunt.

439
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody thinks it's so aggressive. They're going in,

440
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:09,680
Speaker 1: you know, close to these bed and areas is really

441
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 1: super aggressive. I't remember I go in there once, I

442
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,120
Speaker 1: slide out and then I move and I'm someplace else.

443
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 1: And I don't think I hunt those places overly aggressive.

444
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 1: Um for the most part, And in my eyes, um, yeah,

445
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,360
Speaker 1: I think if you don't take a shot. I think

446
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,440
Speaker 1: a lot of guys are so worried about kicking the

447
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,680
Speaker 1: gear off of a property, but they never give him

448
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 1: a chance to kill it. You know, they sit back

449
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 1: too much. I really think that the aggressiveness is what

450
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 1: gets me the action, and it's whether there's other hunters

451
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 1: or not surrounding that property. Um. You know that dear me,

452
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,680
Speaker 1: pushing it off on another property could mean somebody else

453
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,400
Speaker 1: kills that. I've had that happened to me. But I've

454
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 1: also gone and killed deer, and I think it's worth

455
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 1: the risk because I think if you don't go in

456
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,680
Speaker 1: there and spoke a field deer or have a neighbor

457
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,120
Speaker 1: killed one on here or something, you're probably not hunting

458
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 1: hard enough. Um, sitting back too much, you know, it's

459
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 1: a catch twenty two. I've been on like really well

460
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:16,919
Speaker 1: managed ranches and and Seymour. You know, big bucks move

461
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 1: around daylight pretty easy. But for the most part, most

462
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 1: of the stuff that most of your average listeners have.

463
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 1: If they don't get aggressive, they're never gonna be a chance.

464
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 1: And they'll see you guys on TV that are on

465
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,919
Speaker 1: this big ranches sitting back on field edges and stuff.

466
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 1: And it's not too often in the areas where I

467
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 1: hunt you see a big buck on the field that

468
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it happens, but not too often. If you do,

469
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,360
Speaker 1: it's usually a younger buck that's got a bigger rack.

470
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: The mature bucks just don't come out like that. You know, Um,

471
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,880
Speaker 1: you gotta get aggressive. You've gotta go in your after him.

472
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 1: Most of the huge bucks that I've killed, i've killed within,

473
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: you know, within a hundred fifty two hundred yards of

474
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 1: the veinry most of the time close her and I'm

475
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 1: shooting them at closing time. So I mean, if you're

476
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 1: kicking too far back because you're afraid of kicking them

477
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 1: on the neighbors, you're just not gonna see that deer.

478
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: And I think you're putting you're still putting the pressure on.

479
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 1: If you're back, you know, four yards, the buck's gonna

480
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 1: get out there, smell that you're there, and obviously gonna

481
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 1: come out even later, he's gonna come out smarter. It's

482
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: the you know, um, it's like slapping him on the

483
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 1: ass and saying, game on, I'm hunting you. I want

484
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 1: the first time that he has an opportunity to smell

485
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 1: me if he comes out of that bed, n he

486
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: gets an arrow through him. So does that make right away? Yeah,

487
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 1: so that kind of makes me wonder though, right. I

488
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,640
Speaker 1: think you've talked about sometimes like hunting your way in,

489
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 1: you know, is you you'll you'll try and get close

490
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 1: and then maybe you spot them or you learn something

491
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: and you move in sixty or sixty yards closer or

492
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 1: something like that. Is is there sometimes the time when

493
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: you should actually just go all the way for the

494
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,719
Speaker 1: home run, go right to the edge because you know

495
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 1: that you know, like you just said it, man, it

496
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 1: matters what you have for intel. You know. Um, there's

497
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 1: spots where I'm unsure of something. I try to find

498
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 1: a situation where I can sit back where I don't

499
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: think that deer is gonna get to where I am.

500
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: It's not gonna smell where I was, The wind is

501
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: gonna be right where I can watch an area, see

502
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: what happens, and then moving for a kill if I

503
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: need to, um and I've had, you know, and like,

504
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: if I'm hunting a spot that you know, I'm really

505
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 1: unsure of kinda but I got a planned area I'm hunting.

506
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 1: I never walk that trail. I don't take that you know,

507
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 1: path that cut path from point to point B. I

508
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 1: always plan out a route and try to scout my

509
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 1: way in and find fast sign. You find first sign

510
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:40,360
Speaker 1: coming out of something that looks like betting, and I'll

511
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: set right up on it. And uh, I've done okay

512
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 1: doing that. A lot of times. I don't make it

513
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 1: to where I was planning on going. Um, but I'm

514
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 1: still you know, hunting that aggressive making my way in there,

515
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: you know, in that whole hunch your way in thing.

516
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: What I mean by that is is don't walk through

517
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: a bed and area to hunt a betterary you think

518
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: might be a little bit better. You might want to

519
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: hunt point eight before you walk walk past it and

520
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,120
Speaker 1: ruin it, you know what I mean. Yeah, that's part

521
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 1: of that hunting your way in thing. Yeah, that makes sense.

522
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: Kind of related to all this. I've heard you talking, uh,

523
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: you know about people that maybe own a small farm

524
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: and how there's this temptation. I think you could probably

525
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 1: say this temptation that you want to hunt it as

526
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: often as you can or whenever you have the chance

527
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: to hunt it, you should hunt it because you've got

528
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: all this money dumped into it, right you bought this farm,

529
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 1: You've put it all this time and effort. You want

530
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: to enjoy it, so you want to do it. But

531
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 1: your your recommendation in this I think it was one

532
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: of your videos I was watching, you said, hey, why

533
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: don't you go throw some hunts at the public land

534
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: and just hunt your private sparingly at the right times,

535
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 1: with the right conditions, and then you'll actually get more

536
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 1: out of that hunt than you would otherwise with fifteen hunts.

537
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: Um and so you talked about, you know, scattering your

538
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,199
Speaker 1: hunts from public other properties, and I know that with

539
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: your own personal hunting you bounced to a lot of

540
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: different places as you just it is described. You'll you'll

541
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: be aggressive, but it's a one time in maybe and

542
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: then off to another place. Would you or I guess,

543
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 1: let me say this, what would it look like for

544
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 1: you though, if you happen to become one of these

545
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: people I just described. Let's say someone let's say we've

546
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: got a listener or know we've got a viewer of

547
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 1: the Hunting Beast YouTube channel, and you've been so helpful

548
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: to him that he decides he's gonna give you a

549
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 1: sixty acre piece of ground as a thank you gift.

550
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: He gives you sixty acres of prime ground. Dan. Now

551
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: you are a private property owner and you also have

552
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: all the public land you can hunt two. How would

553
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: you personally mix that into your schedule? Would you say, well,

554
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: I got that sixty acre piece now, um? Would you

555
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,719
Speaker 1: do things differently? Or would you still just hunting your

556
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: own personal piece of property a couple of times a

557
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: year and spend the rest of it everywhere else? How

558
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: would you? How would you do that? How would you

559
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: figure that? Well? I kind of have that scenario. I

560
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: think the property seventy acres, not sixty, but I don't

561
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: own it. A good friend owns it, and only me

562
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: and him hunted. UM. But it's not primary acres either.

563
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: I mean the whole surrounding area around is really heavy pressured,

564
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: so it's it's harder hunting. But it is private and

565
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: you know nobody's been in there. And how I hunt

566
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: that different is that we have observation stands here and

567
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: we watch UM open areas that are adjacent to betting

568
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: from a distance, and we see something, we'll move in

569
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: for the kill UM and me and him. You usually

570
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: do it as a team. If we see something, we

571
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: both go into the next day to kill it. But

572
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: UM we try to hunt that um uh once a week,

573
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: which I think is way too much. But but the

574
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: guy who wants probably that the hunt was UM is

575
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: a key answer survivor, and he doesn't. He doesn't have

576
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: the energy anymore. He used to when he's younger, go

577
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: out to the public with me and stuff. So that's

578
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: all the apps. So so we hunted a little overhunting

579
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: by hunting it once a week. UM. But those hunts

580
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: are including sitting back on those observations stands watching UM.

581
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: And that might sound you know, fruitless. You know, you

582
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: put a food plot there and maybe get lucky and

583
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: sometimes it wanders by, But we're really trying to get

584
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: eyes on a on a big one. What's interesting about

585
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: that is that seventy acres um as you'd imagine I've

586
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:40,239
Speaker 1: been hunting there for about I don't know years with

587
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: him and uh as you'd imagine it's really open terrain,

588
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,479
Speaker 1: so all the prime spots have stands in him by

589
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: now right. But yet every time we kill something big,

590
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: which is very often, but when we do, it's from

591
00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:00,040
Speaker 1: an aggressive move when we see something to move to it.

592
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: Those big box I mean, if they've lived on that farm,

593
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: they've gone past you when they're they're you know, one,

594
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: two or three, and they've they've learned where the stands

595
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: already smelled where you walk and stuff. And now now

596
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: they're mature and they walk through there and avoid the stands.

597
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: I mean, you go intro in wintertime and look at

598
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: the tracks and what shall they just go through the

599
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: woods and never go by a guy's tree stand. But

600
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: what I do is I mix it up a lot,

601
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: and I'm always, um looking at the public. I'm always

602
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: looking at the adventures, trips and stuff, go and trying

603
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: something new, and to me, um, I really love challenges,

604
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: going to new places. And it really isn't about killing

605
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: buck anymore. It's more about you know, testing yourself and

606
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: testing what you can do and which you can accomplish. Um.

607
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: And I think what a big thing a lot of

608
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: people are missing if they're so worried about their their

609
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,719
Speaker 1: success and being somebody in the hunting industry, Because now

610
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: it's all about who you are in the hunting industry.

611
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: You know, it's no longer about your personal goals, it seems,

612
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: which is sad. But if you get out of that,

613
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: you can invest in yourself. Hunting on the public land

614
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: along with your farm, makes you grow. You don't grow

615
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: by hunting the same stuff. You know, you don't grow

616
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: by going to the same tree stand in the back.

617
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I've I've listened to people tell me how

618
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: great they are as you have to, I know, and

619
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: you listen to them talk and they're telling you how

620
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: they they got this farm that the hunt on, that

621
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: the hunter acres that your dad owns, and they're so

622
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: great because they killed all these books. Well, it's the

623
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: same spot. What are you gonna do? And now you

624
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: get off that flat land, your hunt hill land? What

625
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: you canna do when you go find a swamp? You know,

626
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: um testing yourself and putting yourself in new scenarios. When

627
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: you when you learn how dear go through a swamp,

628
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: you learn a few things about your farm too. You

629
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: learn how they go through hills. You learn a few

630
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: things about your farm too. And every time you try

631
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: something new, you learn something new. Either that or you're blind.

632
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: You know, there are people that go out there and

633
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: they you know, they'll come back and they'll tell you

634
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: they saw a big buck. You'll be like, oh, really,

635
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: you know, where was it? Well? I was over there.

636
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: Well we're on the transition, or I don't know, it's

637
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: about hundred yards over there. What was the wind doing?

638
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: Oh I don't know. You know where I'm I'm getting

639
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: there going? What's the window? Why is that deer there?

640
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: You know? What? Where is he coming from? Where's he going?

641
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: Some people just see deer? You know. I think asking

642
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: those questions all the time and really stretching yourself out

643
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: and trying new things, trying new properties. Um, you know,

644
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: if you if you kill your buck on your farm,

645
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: why quit hunting? I mean, go to another state, try

646
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: some new places, try some new spots. You know. Yeah,

647
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: I couldn't agree with you more that Just simply putting

648
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: yourself in new situations and and then trying to figure

649
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: it out and asking why that is you could you

650
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: could accomplish a whole lot if you just kept doing that.

651
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: You don't need to listen to this podcast. You can

652
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: learn a whole lot just by doing that. Um, that's good. Stuff. Um,

653
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: something you mentioned there made me think of of another

654
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: aspect of of what you do. That's that's pretty interesting

655
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: to me. And I think that's your some of your

656
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: decision making process. I'm always interested in trying to kind

657
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,720
Speaker 1: of look into that a little bit further. And and

658
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: I guess I'll give you this example scenario and then

659
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 1: maybe you can try to help talk through what your

660
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: decision making processes to help me understand it. Let's say

661
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: it's it's opening night in Michigan, October one, and you

662
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: have to decide between your different possible places to hunt

663
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: on opening day in Michigan. Um, I'm gonna lay it

664
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: out for you and just say that there's there's a

665
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,439
Speaker 1: public land piece where you found a great bedding area

666
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: on some high ground and swamp. There's another piece of

667
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: public land in the same general area where you found

668
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:56,760
Speaker 1: some loan white oaks on the edge of a swamp

669
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: that are dropped and that seems pretty good. And you know,

670
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: maybe then maybe that's all you know about and the

671
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: rest is up in the air, But maybe that part

672
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: isn't as as important as just the larger question, which

673
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: it's October one, the first day of the season, how

674
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 1: would you determine what is the best option to hunting

675
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: without prior information Where I say, you don't have trail cameras,

676
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: this is not your home turf, this is a new area,

677
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: but you have a little bit information. How would you

678
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: go through thinking through Okay, all the different variables. There's

679
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 1: there's wind, there's access, there's hunting pressure, there's the information

680
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: about these two locations and anything else you might know about.

681
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,959
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of curious what kind of the what's

682
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: going on in your mind is just sitting in the

683
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,919
Speaker 1: truck the night before or that morning and decided, Okay,

684
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to Place A or Place B or

685
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: something else. Can you talk me through that? I think

686
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 1: if if I didn't know of any of the box

687
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 1: in the area, and I was going out there and hunting,

688
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: kind of in a scenario you're talking, I would probably

689
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: look at a a property and I'd try to figure

690
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: out based on the wind, where I think they would

691
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: be betting and if acorns are dropping. I would probably

692
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: in its early season open day, I'd probably be looking

693
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: for something around oaks. I'd probably looking for isolated oaks. Um.

694
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: You're a thick cover um, especially most of Michigan. I

695
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 1: think i'd be looking for betting isolated by water in Michigan,

696
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: um uh and fixed stuff, so that water isolated betting

697
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: is not gonna have oak trees because oaks don't grow

698
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: that low. They're gonna come up to the oak trees

699
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: and eat, and they've been doing it, you know, prior

700
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: to season before people are out there. I'm gonna walk

701
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:53,280
Speaker 1: those transition lines um between the oak trees and swamps,

702
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna look for sign coming out. I'm gonna

703
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 1: try and look for a wind that kind blows in

704
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: the buck's favor, the quartering into it, so that when

705
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: I hit the trail, the wind ain't quite hitting that

706
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: buck yet. And the reason I'm gonna do that is

707
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: because the wind's blown from the swamp most of the time.

708
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: To bed right on the edge of the swamp and

709
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: look at the oak trees. When it's blown in, they

710
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: bed in further and smell the approaching danger. That's been

711
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: my experience with them. So because they like to look

712
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: down wind and um, I'll follow that transition until I

713
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 1: find the sign coming out. That sign might be really

714
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: heavy brows on the acorns, for everything's torn up and

715
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 1: it might be some um rubs, and it might be

716
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 1: a combination of rubs and in Toro up acorns and leaves. UM,

717
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: hopefully you got a combination of those. Sometimes the rubs

718
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: are hard to see at that time time front of

719
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,240
Speaker 1: the year, but just see little marks in the trees,

720
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: or maybe there'll be a scrape or two even though

721
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: it's early, because they're marking, because multiple bucks are coming in,

722
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: they're sort of kind of claiming the area. So I

723
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: look for some sort of sign like that. And if

724
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 1: I'm on a travel trip, UM, and you know, or

725
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: I'm there for the weekend, I might scout a large

726
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: area and walk right through signed that. I might walk

727
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,280
Speaker 1: through sign and say, who this might be a good spot,

728
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 1: and walk right through and keep going and start out

729
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: my scouting early, like ten in the morning, and then

730
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: by two in the afternoon, pick which spot was the best,

731
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: and go back and hunted, and then repeat the next day. UM.

732
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 1: That way, you're getting onto the to the best sign

733
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 1: that you found, you know, uh fastest. Now, in one

734
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: of those scenarios, I think, I think I know what

735
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: you would do. But you you find this, you go

736
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: in there doing the scouting. You you come up on

737
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: some dynamite sign and what you think is like the bedroom,

738
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: you're right there at the bedroom or right in the

739
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: edge of it, and you see the sign, Um, look dynamite.

740
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: But you pass boot tracks relatively fresh, not saying that

741
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: came in that morning, but relatively fresh boot tracks. So

742
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: there has been somebody back here. But at the same time,

743
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 1: you're thinking, man, but I'm in the bedroom. Do you

744
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: cross that off the list completely because of that pressure

745
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: or do you think that you could still maybe get

746
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: away with a hunt um given the fact that you're

747
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: you're right there, What what would your thoughts be there?

748
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,919
Speaker 1: I would probably keep going. I don't think I would

749
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 1: stop if somebody's already hunted there. If I thought those

750
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: tracks were from a day or two before. I think

751
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 1: if anything um or shooting came out and ran across

752
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 1: those tracks, it's it's altered its path. Yeah, Okay, that's

753
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 1: that's what I figured. I want to I want to

754
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 1: back out a little bit and switch the scenario, switch

755
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: up our habitat a little bit um because I know

756
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: in past podcast we've talked a lot about um Marsh

757
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: country type stuff. I know we talked a lot about

758
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: your hill country type stuff. Um, but I want to

759
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about kind of generic farmland. Yeah,

760
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 1: it's it's something that I know is pretty easy for

761
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: you when it comes to marsh or swamp or hill

762
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: country to pick out where buck probably is betted. Right,

763
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 1: there's certain terrain features in hill country where you think

764
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: that's probably gonna be the best spot there should be

765
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: bucks betting there. And then when it comes to swamps

766
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 1: or marshes, there's certain terrain features those islands, those points

767
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:27,919
Speaker 1: where you can say, oh, there's a pretty good chance

768
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: that could be bucks there. Um, it seems like it's

769
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 1: a little bit harder to do that with farmland. I'm curious.

770
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: So let's say we've were in Michigan again. We'll keep

771
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: keep rolling with that. You're dropped off now, and we've

772
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 1: got a random flat set of farm ground and I

773
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: told you you're gonna hunt it today, but you've never

774
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,240
Speaker 1: seen it before. We don't have a marsh, we don't

775
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 1: have big hills, we don't have a swamp. It's just

776
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,959
Speaker 1: kind of scattered timber and crops, some brushy stuff. And

777
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: what I'm curious first about is could you pick out

778
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: the betting areas of buck buck betting ears from a map, like,

779
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: do you think you could do that with some kind

780
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:12,280
Speaker 1: of degree of confidence without those big obvious terrain features,

781
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: And if so, could you walk me through what you

782
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: would be looking for on that flat farmland and how

783
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: you go about picking the spots. What I look for

784
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: on a flat farmland is I do not expect bucks

785
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: to be bedding in the middle of wood lucks, which

786
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 1: is what everybody else seems to expect. I think bucks

787
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: are more edge creatures, and you're gonna find your mature

788
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 1: books on tree lines where you can see across fields.

789
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 1: You're gonna see them in little patches off to the side. Um. Really,

790
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: really often on farms, everybody that hunts and has the

791
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: same access in parts in the same spot, walks on

792
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 1: the same path back into the farm the same way.

793
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: And I find the mature bucks often have a betting

794
00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: spot that overlooks watching that access. UM. And then you

795
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: have to mix it up and how you come in. UM.

796
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: When they do bed in square like wood lot rains,

797
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: there's two ways they bed. One of them is that

798
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: they bed on the outside edge whichever whichever edges down wind.

799
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: They smell the woods behind them, and they watched the

800
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 1: fields in front of them. Um. The other one is

801
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: to get into the inside of that woods to an

802
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: opening or a low spot where it's a little letter marshy,

803
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: get on the edges of that um m hmm. But

804
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: typically um, it's the tree lines sort of stuff off

805
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 1: to the side where I find the biggest stuff. So

806
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: that can be hard to hunt and it can be

807
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: hard to predict. But another thing that's really really important

808
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: with flat farmland is nothing is really perfectly flat, and

809
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: I find that a little bit of elevation change makes

810
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: a much difference and what you'd call flat farms, I

811
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: find the best betting is usually at the lowest point

812
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 1: in the highest point on the farm. Interesting, and if

813
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 1: if then you had a spot like this, and we're

814
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,760
Speaker 1: predicting that there's gonna be some betting near those edges

815
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: probably and these bucks are going to try to watch

816
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: those openings. What if it's uh, what if it's one

817
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: of those farms that is impossible to access without coming

818
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 1: across that open field, like it's it's a big farm

819
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 1: field near the road, and then the back half of

820
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: the farm is the timber and you don't have access

821
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 1: to the backset. So the only way you can access

822
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: it is across the field. Um do you just get

823
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 1: as far away from the sexual I don't know. How

824
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 1: do you? How would you try to deal with that

825
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 1: scenario where you know that, Hey, there's that scenario where

826
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 1: I know that there's bucks watching, you know, get the

827
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: wind to their back, watching the farmhouse and there's no

828
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: other way in there because it's all open field on

829
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: that side. And what I've done is try walking past

830
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: them like may believe you don't know they're there, and

831
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: it's circling around someplace else to hunt them, like doing

832
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 1: a big j hooker on the farm to come through

833
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: cover to get back to them. Um. Another thing is

834
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: a lot of times when they bed watching the farm,

835
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 1: they are watching the access route they bed there. If

836
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: they're watching that route, they get the wind to their back.

837
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: They have the wind to the back, they're smelling behind them,

838
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 1: and they're watching with their eyes the trail. So when

839
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: the wind changes, they can't bed like that. They're not

840
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: going to bed facing the wind, you know, watching for

841
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: you and smelling for you, because then something could come

842
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: up from behind them and get them. It's all about safety.

843
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: So they bet with the wind that they're back. So

844
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: when you're access and they're watching you. So if those

845
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 1: beds are close to one edge or something, you can

846
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: just wait till the winds different, you know, to access.

847
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: Like like when I said that they bet on the

848
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 1: down one side of a wood lot. You seet time

849
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: and time again. Guys will get camera pictures over and

850
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: over and over these bucks in the field. They're like,

851
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: every time I hunt there, they don't come out. Well, yeah,

852
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: they're sitting on the edge watching you, and you wait

853
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: for the window in your face, which is when they're

854
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: betting on the edge watching the field. You know, go

855
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: hunt there when they're betting on the other side of

856
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: the wood lot, and then they're gonna come over there.

857
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, that's uh, that's the catch twenty two.

858
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: When you want to be safe about the wind right now,

859
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: speaking of wind um, you know, historically from everything I

860
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: remember us ever talking about in other things, you've typically

861
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: put all your cards or most of them at least

862
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: in playing the wind, not worrying too much about sink

863
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: control and just saying, hey, yeah, you can't beat the

864
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 1: bucks nose, see Mizel, just focused on the thing you

865
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: can to some degree control, which is being in the

866
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: right place in relation to wind. Uh. Um, I guess

867
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: question number one this isn't the scenario is right? The

868
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: question question number one is that still true to this

869
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: date or is that evolved it all over the last

870
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,439
Speaker 1: five years or so? Um? And then question number two

871
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:16,320
Speaker 1: then would be you heading for a hunt, and let's

872
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: say it's in one of these scenarios that we're talking

873
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: about where it's farmland flat and you went in with

874
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,879
Speaker 1: a certain window actually you felt confident with. But then

875
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: in the last hour hour and a half a day

876
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,399
Speaker 1: light or still let's say sneaping hunt, last hour, hour

877
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 1: and a half a daylight, that wind dies down and

878
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, your sense doing wonky things. You

879
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: put your milky out there and sometimes it's going to

880
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: the north and sometimes it drops down, goes to the

881
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: south and you're getting some weird stuff going on there.

882
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: What would you do in that scenario? So question number

883
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: one is is your thinking changed it all on side control?

884
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 1: Question number two is that scenario? So the question number one, UM,

885
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: I still believe there's no way you're fooling the DearS. No,

886
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: I don't think you can do it. I think if

887
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:02,919
Speaker 1: they smell your ground something, you know, how long ago

888
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 1: you're there, they smell your something to work exactly where

889
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: you're at. Um. I do believe some dear ignore you,

890
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 1: and I've had that. I've had a deer with my

891
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: wind blowing right at him and I know I stink

892
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: and they just don't care. No padam where they get

893
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: the first whiffle you blow out of there? But my

894
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: my attitude and that has never changed. Um okay, Well

895
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: number two. Number two was that last hour, hour and

896
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: a half a daylight, the wind dies down and all

897
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you're wind kind of starts swirling. Now

898
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,399
Speaker 1: it's not doing what you thought. So your whole game

899
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: plan was based off of this certain wind direction. But

900
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: now the wind dies and it's swirling. Do you do

901
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: you stick it out for the last hour, hour and

902
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: a half or do you bail completely? Here's how that

903
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: works with me. I mean there was a time when

904
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 1: I would bail out of there, and my might change.

905
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: My thinking has changed. Um, probably like ten years ago

906
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 1: or so, it started to change. And it's got to

907
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: the point now where I feel like, once I'm in

908
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 1: there and I've gotten my sent in there, I was

909
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: there for a reason, I might as well as just stay.

910
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: And I've had plenty of times when the winds blown

911
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: right out of here and you kill them. Anyways, I

912
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 1: would never set up in that scenario. But once you're there,

913
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 1: what the heck, your scents already in there, you've already

914
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: burned the area. You might as well sit there. And

915
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 1: there's been plenty of times where that has paid off

916
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: from me. Where you're are, it just goes over them

917
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 1: or something, you know, um in a lot of cases

918
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: for people, though, there's a reason for that stuff. And

919
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: that doesn't happen to me as much as other people

920
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: because I look at the terrain before I set up,

921
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: and I try to set up not into trains that

922
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:42,240
Speaker 1: are gonna cause swirling or or you're gonna get thermal poles.

923
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: There's a lot of guys that think that think a

924
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 1: deer has a sixth sense, because right before dark, the

925
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: wind's been in your face all day. That deer comes from,

926
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 1: you know, up wind, and all of a sudden it's freezes,

927
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: locks and turns around, runs off and you're like, oh

928
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:58,760
Speaker 1: my god, that that deer knew I was here somehow,

929
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: and only it smelled you. And if you use the

930
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: milk weed, you'll see that your thermals change, you know,

931
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 1: at the com spots. But if you've got any kind

932
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 1: of downward slope, if you're hunting a pillow of the deer,

933
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 1: as soon as the sun goes down or before the

934
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: sun goes up, every time it's calm, your scent is

935
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 1: gonna pulled on that hill. It could be just like

936
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 1: pouring water in that hill, and you might not even

937
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: feel it. If it's just rolling hills or you know,

938
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 1: you know, just slight elevation changes, you probably won't even

939
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:32,720
Speaker 1: feel it, but you'd see it if you use milk weed. Now,

940
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 1: another scenario I've heard you talk about there being a

941
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: thermal impact is when you're by water, but I don't

942
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 1: think that's something we've covered in the podcast. Is that

943
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: could you elaborate a little bit how how a water

944
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: scenario could cause a thermal pull because I'm envisioning like

945
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: a you're in a swamp, there's a lot of standing water.

946
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: Maybe you're right in the edge of a little piece

947
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: of high ground and it's water everywhere else. What would

948
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: happen in that scenario or something like it? So it's

949
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: got to be like stagnant shallow water that's you know

950
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: a lot of times it's on black mud or whatever.

951
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 1: When that water gets warm, like swamp water or like

952
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 1: a real shallow pond, when it gets warm, because like

953
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,439
Speaker 1: bathtub water, the sun goes down, the water stays warm,

954
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: but the air cools, so right above that pond or

955
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,439
Speaker 1: or that water source of that swamp, that air will

956
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,800
Speaker 1: just go straight up. And when it does that, it

957
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: displaces the air above the water, so pulls wall air

958
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: in from the sides, and that cooler air heats as

959
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: it goes over the water and then rises and just

960
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 1: pulls more in, so it changes the um the air

961
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 1: current with that thermal pull. And you usually you know,

962
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: that's another one where you have a hard time feeling it,

963
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: but if you check it, you'll see it. You see

964
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: your milk. We float over there, float float over the water,

965
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 1: and then shoot straight up. So what I try to

966
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,240
Speaker 1: do is if I go hunt the point or something,

967
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: is I try to set myself up right up against

968
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,919
Speaker 1: the water. Um sort of my scent pulls that way

969
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: and up rather than being up from the like if

970
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: being the center and the deer goes between you and

971
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 1: the water, you sent pulls to the deer, you know,

972
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: so I try to get right up against the water

973
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 1: where I can predict for them where the thermal will be.

974
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 1: It's interesting, this fits in perfectly with the question that

975
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: a listener sent in a scenario. Um, but this rather

976
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 1: than a stagnant water, this is moving water. And so

977
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 1: we're talking a river. And so let's let's apply what

978
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 1: you just described to a little bit more specific situation here.

979
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 1: It's late October, let's say October, and you've located a

980
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: piece of public land that's got this floodplain river bottom,

981
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 1: and it's being used for kind of everything. It's being

982
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: used for bedding and travel, and some food sources in there.

983
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know, maybe there's an oak tree or

984
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: something that's dropping. But then there's these ridges that lead

985
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: up out of the river bottom up to private land

986
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:58,439
Speaker 1: crop fields up high. Could you describe how you would

987
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 1: think about accessing and setting up in that kind of

988
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:05,240
Speaker 1: general scenario laid out till we'd given what you just mentioned,

989
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: the possible impacts of thermals in that scenario, any other

990
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: things you'd be thinking about in that hypothetical. Uh, I

991
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: would think that should probably still get some thermal rise

992
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: on the hill, even though they get the river at

993
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,439
Speaker 1: the base because the side of the hill is gonna

994
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: heat up. UM. But rivers, I haven't seen a lot

995
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:31,959
Speaker 1: of thermal impact UM with them. With the moving water,

996
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: I think it stays colder. UM. Colder water should expand

997
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:41,879
Speaker 1: and push outward. UM. But I just I haven't really

998
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: seen much of an impact with it except for that

999
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:45,879
Speaker 1: if it's at a base of a hill to hill

1000
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 1: small you don't seem to get that thermal rise on

1001
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 1: the hill UM as much. But I still think it's there,

1002
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: just it's slighter, you know, UM coming in there. Again,

1003
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: it would be more based on how that dear is

1004
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: bedding in there where I think he's at and looking

1005
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:04,800
Speaker 1: at what that wind is doing and where it's rising,

1006
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 1: where it's fallen, and which direction is actually blowing, and

1007
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: trying to figure out which direction the deer is going

1008
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,280
Speaker 1: and get them in front of I mean, it sounds basic,

1009
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: but but that's basically how I look at it. Yeah,

1010
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: have you had much experience with river bottom bedding or

1011
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 1: creek bottom bedding if you're kind of seen how they're

1012
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:26,919
Speaker 1: using that terrain in any kind of consistent way. Yeah,

1013
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 1: I mean big river bottoms that are all flat like

1014
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 1: floodplains are really hard. Um. Again, you're looking for like

1015
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 1: little island clumps of trees where's just a little higher

1016
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 1: elevation on that grassy crap you know. Um, you're looking

1017
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: for ox bows in the river. I mean oxbows have

1018
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 1: done really well on UM. What they'll do in an

1019
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: oxbow is they'll get in there in a monitor, that

1020
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 1: little opening, that little land bridge going in there, and

1021
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 1: then it comes in there they go through the river

1022
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 1: to the other side to get just game. Um, one

1023
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,879
Speaker 1: of those in the ox bowls, Um, you really got

1024
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: to look for those edges, um, which in a lot

1025
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 1: of cases are going to be worders, little clumps of

1026
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: trees or something you know, out there, and they're not

1027
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 1: going to just bed out in the middle of open grass.

1028
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 1: I mean, you probably find beds out there, but it's

1029
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: not the consistent type of stuff that you can hunt.

1030
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: And one of the problems is that I've been in

1031
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 1: some river bottoms in western Wisconsin where you get in

1032
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 1: there and you really learn a buk and then you

1033
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: come back to the next year you gotta learn it

1034
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 1: over again because the flooding puts chamber all over you know,

1035
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: displaces that all over the place, and the betting changes

1036
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 1: because of it. So it is a hard not to hunt,

1037
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 1: but it's it's doable. And and again you have to

1038
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 1: look at the terrain and um look at how the

1039
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 1: land lays out, because they are edged creatures, and that's

1040
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,839
Speaker 1: you think they're on those transition lines. They're not just

1041
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: you know, beted out in the middle of grass. Better

1042
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: there because there's an elevation or because of a clump

1043
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: of trees, because they have some sort of um vantage

1044
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: with wind in sight? How do you think that they

1045
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: use the wind when it comes to bedding in those

1046
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 1: oxbowt situations? So I think to correct if I'm wrong here,

1047
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 1: but you're kind of talking about those outside big bends

1048
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 1: of those s curves in rivers, and then they'll be

1049
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: where they come together. Are they setting up, you're saying,

1050
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: facing how creates almost a peninsula. Are they facing out

1051
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 1: from that peninsula or are they facing the water and

1052
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,399
Speaker 1: smelling the bit of land behind him. I've seen him.

1053
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 1: I've seen him bed two ways, one with the wind

1054
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: blowing down the lamb channel into it, and one with

1055
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: the blowing out where they watched the os, they watched

1056
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: the land open or to smell it. But most of

1057
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 1: the time what I've seen is um where they're smelling it.

1058
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 1: They're looking out across the river and the winds blowing

1059
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:57,280
Speaker 1: in and they're smelling it. That's been my best scenarios. UM,

1060
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 1: that's helpful. I've I've got a couple of public land

1061
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: river bottom spots I'm gonna be hunting this year, and

1062
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 1: I've been thinking through that and scouting that situation and

1063
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: being curious to see what will play out in real time.

1064
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:15,319
Speaker 1: So that's that's interesting. Let's they were really they were

1065
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: really a key when I hunted in um southwestern Iowa,

1066
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 1: where it was all like, we'll open farmland lots of

1067
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: big bucks that there's hardly any terrain for him. Well

1068
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: we have to bed ale on those rivers, and those

1069
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 1: oxples were just loaded with good bucks. M And then

1070
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 1: how do you typically see him travel out of there?

1071
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is I'm trying as I'm

1072
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 1: just spit ball on here, but I'm wondering would they

1073
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 1: usually be bedded on the opposite side. I guess it's

1074
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 1: probably wind dependent, but opposite side of the food, like

1075
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 1: if if there's a main I'm imagining kind of that

1076
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 1: scenario is laid out there where there's these crowd fields

1077
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 1: up high and then there's this river bottom down low,

1078
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 1: and I'm wondering what they usually bed across the river

1079
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: from their feeding destination. They then they come up in

1080
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,439
Speaker 1: the afternoon, they leave their bed cross the river head

1081
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 1: up Um or would they be more? I guess it

1082
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 1: probably depends on how large the rivers to Um. But

1083
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: have you seen any tendencies there? Yeah, I've seen him

1084
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: go through the river to get the crops, and I've

1085
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 1: seen him go um the other way to Um and

1086
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: just walk to the land bridge out Um. The biggest

1087
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: book I ever shot I didn't recover, but that was

1088
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 1: on an oxbow in Iowa. It was a giant twelve

1089
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: pointer that book. I've seen him in the oxbow. I

1090
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 1: jumped him out of it the day before the next day,

1091
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: I went during the morning and set up before light

1092
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: went from to come back. It came back at gray

1093
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 1: light and he was gonna walk great in the oxbover

1094
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 1: to the land bridge get in there, and uh, I

1095
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: didn't make it. But but yeah, I've seen a lot

1096
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 1: of where they just walk the land bridge out, but

1097
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: they crossed the river too. And in a lot of cases,

1098
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 1: the um if the river is deep and fast, they

1099
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 1: only want to go through that if they have to escape,

1100
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: you know. But that's another thing is they won't go

1101
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 1: across a huge river. You know, there's gotta be a

1102
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 1: valid escape if you've got to be like a quick

1103
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: couple of bounds and they're out of there. Um. And

1104
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 1: another thing is if the river with nowadays how many

1105
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 1: people boat and canoe and kayak and stuff. If the

1106
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 1: river is getting used by boaters and stuff a lot,

1107
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 1: they won't bend those oxpos. So a river that's jammed

1108
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: up with crap that's smaller usually works better, you know,

1109
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 1: kind of a ditch river or something, you know. You know,

1110
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: let's let's let's jump to a totally different situation now. Um,

1111
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 1: let's let's say we are going to you know, I

1112
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: know no one time. I want to look at how

1113
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:48,959
Speaker 1: you would go about zeroing in on a specific buck.

1114
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 1: Let's put you on oct and you get word from

1115
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 1: another hunter, maybe it's a neighbor, maybe it's another person

1116
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 1: to hunt the public that this buck that you spotted

1117
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 1: in the summer, or that you saw last year, this

1118
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 1: buck's back. Finally, you haven't been a seam all season,

1119
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 1: but someone else saw him and said, Hey, that buck's

1120
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: out there. I saw him. But you personally haven't had

1121
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 1: any sightings of him yet this year. You personally have

1122
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 1: no trail camera pictures of him this year. Um, and

1123
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's well into the season. It's over

1124
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 1: a month into the Wisconsin season for you, and he

1125
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 1: hasn't been the spots you thought he would be, right

1126
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 1: because you you assumed he'd be back, so you would

1127
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 1: you scouted for beds and you found where you thought

1128
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 1: he'd be. You've hunted them now maybe once, maybe twice,

1129
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 1: I don't know. Um, he wasn't there, but now he's alive.

1130
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 1: What would you do with this new piece of intel

1131
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 1: starting on October to go about try to locate him?

1132
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 1: Would it be all right, I'm gonna go hund those

1133
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 1: betting areas now because he's back. Or would you go

1134
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 1: to Shining or all of a sudden bust out a

1135
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 1: bunch of trail cameras. What would you do to to

1136
00:59:56,320 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 1: zero in? Now? So I probably um go over and

1137
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 1: i'd I try to either see the book or see

1138
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 1: some sign of them, because there's a little bit of

1139
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 1: a mistrust with other people. You don't know if somebody's

1140
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 1: trying to throw you off, so you don't hunt their

1141
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 1: area by telling you something you want to you know

1142
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 1: that you want to hear. Um. You don't know if

1143
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 1: um uh, somebody's a little eight pointer to you is

1144
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 1: a giant to them. Um. If it's somebody that you

1145
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 1: trust and the intel is trustable, I'm gonna probably end

1146
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 1: up going straight over there and hunting. But if it's

1147
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: like the time and that there's a little bit of doubt,

1148
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 1: I want to see some sign. I want to see

1149
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 1: that the rub line is appeared, that there's some huge

1150
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 1: tracks over there, that there's there's something going on to

1151
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 1: tell me that that deer is indeed where this person

1152
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 1: saw it. And then once I know a deer is

1153
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 1: over there, I'm just gonna hunt that deer down. I'm

1154
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:55,959
Speaker 1: gonna go from Bedon area to Beddon area to Bedon

1155
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 1: area and just punt that whole area down until I

1156
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 1: run grown across him and and to me that that

1157
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 1: hasn't been too hard of a scenario. If you know

1158
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 1: what there is in a certain section and he's not

1159
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 1: partially on private or something like that, if it's a

1160
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 1: big section of public and you know he's there. It's

1161
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 1: really not too hard to just start, you know, figuring

1162
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 1: out where he should be and just going from section

1163
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 1: to section section, you know, and if you can't find them,

1164
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 1: figure out what work didn't I go? Work didn't I check?

1165
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 1: And go through a stand at that, you know, and

1166
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 1: just keep moving. And that gets me on deer pretty fast.

1167
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 1: Can you I know this is kind of tricky to

1168
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 1: try to pull or sorry to pull together imagine imaginary

1169
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 1: situation here, but maybe there's even a specific example. But

1170
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 1: could you just describe in detail what that first hunt

1171
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 1: in would be like. We've talked about it in generalities

1172
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 1: many times in the past, but I mean specifically, you know,

1173
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 1: tell me about what you found on the map and

1174
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 1: what you found previously, and when you sneak in there, um,

1175
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna walk, you know, tippy toes in the last

1176
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 1: hundred yards and then you set up with an x

1177
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 1: number of yards where you know that bed isn't it.

1178
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 1: Just walked me through the whole nitty gritty of that

1179
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 1: first hunt, and just for people that haven't heard in

1180
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 1: the past, how you would do this, I'd like to

1181
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 1: just get really detailed on one example, of it Um

1182
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 1: to kind of color this just a little bit more

1183
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 1: for people and maybe get into more detail than we

1184
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 1: have in the past for for folks to have heard that. Okay,

1185
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 1: so what's the train We're going to say that this

1186
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:32,439
Speaker 1: is this is one of those marshy situations. I've gotta

1187
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 1: I've gotta here you go. Here's an exact scenario. You

1188
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 1: do know of a spot this buck has been bedded.

1189
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 1: It is marshy stuff. But there is a piece of

1190
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 1: high ground in this marsh about thirty by thirty yards wide.

1191
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 1: There's a couple of cotton woods on it, let's say,

1192
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 1: a couple of little brushy I don't know, uh, red

1193
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 1: ocean dog wood type shrubs or something. Maybe a telephone

1194
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 1: poultry on there too. And then the rest of it

1195
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 1: surrounded by cattails and water and and I'm gonna give

1196
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:08,439
Speaker 1: you one more detail. There is a one access road

1197
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 1: and it's actually relatively close where you can get to UM,

1198
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 1: but it's to the what direction would this be This

1199
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:22,919
Speaker 1: spot would be to the west of the access road.

1200
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 1: That too much information. That's a very specific scenario. I'm

1201
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 1: I'm waving in some example data from a from other

1202
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 1: question into this one, so we'll get double duty here. Okay.

1203
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna make sure the wind's right first of all.

1204
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 1: I'm not going into on um something I don't like.

1205
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 1: So if I got the wind right, I'm gonna go

1206
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 1: into and I'm gonna take that access road as far

1207
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 1: as I can, and then i'm gonna bust off of it.

1208
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna trying not to walk up the deer trails.

1209
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try and trying here on an angle and

1210
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 1: slide and real slow for the as t yards or

1211
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna go in the needles. I'm gonna go

1212
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 1: out if I think it's a kill day, and I'm

1213
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 1: going into the spot that I want to keep kind

1214
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 1: of covert. I'm going midday. I don't want to walk

1215
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 1: past the hunter um, so I want to get If

1216
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 1: a hunter goes out there, I don't want him to

1217
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 1: have no idea where I'm at. So I'm gonna go

1218
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 1: in there and i'm gonna get as close as I can,

1219
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 1: probably to a tree have already picked out. If I

1220
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 1: know the bed in areas as well as you described it,

1221
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 1: I probably do, So I have a tree in mind already,

1222
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 1: or at least a specific area because I don't always

1223
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 1: end up in the same tree based on the wind

1224
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 1: or or the exact wind or whatever or sign. I'm

1225
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 1: gonna go into slide in her and I'm gonna really

1226
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 1: slowly put my stand down, take the uh, take it apart,

1227
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:47,440
Speaker 1: start putting the sticks on real slow, quiet, and I'm

1228
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:50,480
Speaker 1: gonna come up that tree facing the bed in area

1229
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 1: because I'm probably going to be, if it's marshy situation,

1230
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 1: approximately seventy or eight yards in that bed, and i

1231
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 1: want the tree between me and the bedding. And I'm

1232
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 1: gonna go up that tree facing the bed, looking at

1233
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:06,920
Speaker 1: the bed and one stick at a time, and keep

1234
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 1: an eye over there for movement for if I'm getting

1235
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 1: too high or whatever. And then i get to the

1236
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 1: height where I want to be uh, and I'm not

1237
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 1: gonna saw anything because I don't want to cause a

1238
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:21,439
Speaker 1: commotion or noise. And you know, so I'm gonna get

1239
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 1: to a point where I'm high enough where I'm not

1240
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 1: gonna get spotted. But I'm not so high and got

1241
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 1: a shot. I'm gonna try and put the stand right.

1242
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 1: We're in a position where I have natural shooting lines,

1243
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna put the last

1244
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 1: stick up. I'm gonna have a stand in my back.

1245
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put the stick up, climbant that real slow,

1246
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 1: you know, no fast quick movements, and when I get

1247
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 1: up there, I'm gonna take the stand up my back

1248
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna slide around to the front of the

1249
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 1: tree facing the deer, facing directly at him, and I

1250
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 1: want to put the stand on that way, and then

1251
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna slide up up that that last stick as

1252
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 1: far as I can get and just slide around into

1253
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:03,439
Speaker 1: that stand and from there I'm waiting for that buck

1254
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 1: to come in. You. You are one of the people

1255
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 1: who is definitely most popularized this kind of hunting where

1256
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 1: you'll slip in there close to a bedding area, hang us,

1257
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 1: hang sticks in the stand right there, and hunt it. Um.

1258
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 1: A lot more people are hunting that way now than

1259
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 1: they were a decade ago. What what's the biggest mistake

1260
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 1: you are hearing about or that you know that must

1261
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 1: be happening from these these newer guys and girls trying

1262
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 1: to do it the way you do it. Um, I

1263
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 1: gotta believe you're hearing from a lot of these people,

1264
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 1: and there must be some of those like head shaking

1265
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:42,040
Speaker 1: moments for you where they can keep busy. They're not

1266
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 1: doing it right. Is there anything that sticks out when

1267
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 1: you when you think about that. I think the biggest

1268
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 1: thing is um when people here to details on how

1269
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:54,920
Speaker 1: dear bed and there's a there's a shadow of doubt

1270
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 1: if you haven't seen it, and going out and walked

1271
01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 1: out and looked at these beds in the scenarios that

1272
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:05,600
Speaker 1: have described them, you're probably saying, this guy's nuts. I mean,

1273
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 1: you know, I haven't seen that or whatever. Then they

1274
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 1: go out there and they walk out there and they

1275
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 1: run into it and they find some good bed there

1276
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 1: and it's just load over rubs and it's exactly where

1277
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:16,840
Speaker 1: they thought it would be based on what I told him.

1278
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 1: Where you look and Victor all our eggs at that basket,

1279
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:24,080
Speaker 1: and they think this is the greatest spot in the world.

1280
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 1: And I see this over and over and over again,

1281
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:30,280
Speaker 1: where guys just think because they found one spot that

1282
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 1: looks great, I mean just to worn out beds and

1283
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 1: you know, big robs coming in and out and they're like,

1284
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill this deer. And once they're not taken

1285
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 1: into considerations two things. Number One, there's a specific timing too,

1286
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 1: when it's that bed is getting used. You know, it

1287
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 1: might be the end of October, it might be wrong, Rod,

1288
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 1: it might be when a certain crop is in. Then

1289
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 1: if you get that down, uh, then you got to

1290
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 1: remember that I'm hunting a scenario like that just about

1291
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 1: every day and on the whole season, you know, get

1292
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 1: five cracks, you know what I mean? Eighty times a

1293
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:10,520
Speaker 1: year different, right, every day I had a different spot

1294
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:13,920
Speaker 1: like that, and they're thinking that that one spot is

1295
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 1: there kill spots, you know? And Uh. The other thing

1296
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 1: is is when they find one or two spots like that,

1297
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 1: they can't bring themselves to go walk on a transition

1298
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 1: set up on a on a road becoming out of

1299
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:27,519
Speaker 1: a swamp or something. They want to go back to

1300
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:29,880
Speaker 1: that spot and then they burn it out and then

1301
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:33,760
Speaker 1: the spot I'm good anymore. Yeah, you mentioned that an

1302
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 1: important part there is understanding when that beds getting used.

1303
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 1: How like, what are the things that you're looking for

1304
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:42,760
Speaker 1: to make that determination? How do you figure that out?

1305
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:45,400
Speaker 1: You really got to be a detective when you look

1306
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:47,840
Speaker 1: at that in areas like when I look at him

1307
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 1: in the spring, I'm thinking a lot of things into consideration.

1308
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 1: I'm looking at how old beds are, like if you're

1309
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:56,400
Speaker 1: looking at them after the snow hold, the feces are

1310
01:08:56,439 --> 01:09:03,120
Speaker 1: that are underground, Um, You're you're looking at them to cover. Um.

1311
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 1: Sometimes the beds are hard to see um, and they

1312
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 1: look like they're older, maybe from early season. Maybe it's

1313
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 1: right up against on oak flat. Um. Maybe the beds

1314
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:16,760
Speaker 1: look like they're really fresh when you find them. Maybe

1315
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:18,760
Speaker 1: they're right at the end of the season. Um. Some

1316
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:21,680
Speaker 1: Beton areas get used all year. Some Betton areas are

1317
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:24,240
Speaker 1: right up against doll beddings and you start figuring or

1318
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:26,599
Speaker 1: during the rut. And another thing is that the betton

1319
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 1: as are just torn up with rubs. You can figure

1320
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 1: towards the end of October early November. Um. Before. What

1321
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:35,519
Speaker 1: I've seen from hunting these Beton areas, I've seen this

1322
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:38,519
Speaker 1: more and more and more as I get older and

1323
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:42,719
Speaker 1: do more of this, is that there's some really specific timing.

1324
01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:44,960
Speaker 1: You go back and you look at there's there's Betan

1325
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:47,719
Speaker 1: areas that I've hunted for years and years and years,

1326
01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:50,280
Speaker 1: and you look at the bucks I've shot there and

1327
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:53,679
Speaker 1: I've hunted them, you know, you know, like throw three

1328
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 1: sits at them. You hunt them early season and hunt

1329
01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 1: them in November, and you hunting weight season. And it

1330
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:00,760
Speaker 1: seems to be like when you look back a the past,

1331
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 1: the time and when you killed the deer was you know,

1332
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 1: pretty much the same days. You know, there's a certain

1333
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:09,599
Speaker 1: time per land you're inner. And you know, even my

1334
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 1: my primary bed and areas where I have killed deer

1335
01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:16,160
Speaker 1: at all different times of the season, there's specific times

1336
01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 1: when we're the best for giants um. And you know,

1337
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:23,639
Speaker 1: and I've got some bet in areas that look great. Uh,

1338
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 1: some of these bedon areas have like that I would

1339
01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:30,200
Speaker 1: call like nurseries that holds like a lot of two

1340
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:33,639
Speaker 1: year old bucks um. And those two year olds will

1341
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:35,439
Speaker 1: rip up a bed in area that put rubs all

1342
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:37,479
Speaker 1: over the place, and I'll have rubble lots going in

1343
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:39,640
Speaker 1: and out, and they'll fool people that kills all the

1344
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:42,760
Speaker 1: sign You know, guys want to hunt there where. You know,

1345
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 1: I look at a big area, like a big marsh hunt,

1346
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:47,600
Speaker 1: and if I've hunted there for a few years, I

1347
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:51,360
Speaker 1: start to realize that when I kill a monster there,

1348
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:54,720
Speaker 1: it's in one of five or six bet in areas.

1349
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:57,559
Speaker 1: Even though I know of a hundred fifty bet areas

1350
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:01,080
Speaker 1: out there. You know those are really big old box

1351
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 1: get to choose the best spots, and some of that

1352
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 1: takes a little time. I mean, this isn't something you're

1353
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:11,120
Speaker 1: gonna learn overnight. It's something that you have to work

1354
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 1: at and be willing to invest time. And two, I

1355
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 1: mean everybody seems to want that quick fix and that

1356
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 1: instant success. You know, doesn't It doesn't usually come that easy, right. Um,

1357
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:33,120
Speaker 1: So this this betting area situation, let's dig in here

1358
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 1: a little bit further with a couple different outcomes. Maybe

1359
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:40,640
Speaker 1: let's say that you've we've snuck into one of these

1360
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 1: betting ears you described, You've hung the stand the way

1361
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 1: you've described. Just as you swing your tree stand to

1362
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 1: the other side of the tree to get set up,

1363
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 1: you hear a dear blow. You look up and there's

1364
01:11:56,880 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 1: a big rack running away in a white tail flagon.

1365
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:02,240
Speaker 1: What are you do in that scenario? Do you bail?

1366
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:05,040
Speaker 1: Do you you spook the buck? The hunts done onto

1367
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:09,280
Speaker 1: new place? Or would you think maybe I could reposition

1368
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 1: and he'll come back in. What would you do if

1369
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 1: I think you saw me in that trip, I probably

1370
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 1: will just move. Um, something they'll come back in, but

1371
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:21,960
Speaker 1: usually not if they see you know, it's a whole

1372
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:25,040
Speaker 1: different bet in area. If it's the target book, I

1373
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 1: might try to figure out where he went and move there,

1374
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 1: you know, and circle around someplace to get to where

1375
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:35,479
Speaker 1: I think he's going. Um, But if you don't, if

1376
01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:36,880
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe I'll just go to a different

1377
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:38,519
Speaker 1: bet in area or something. But I think if you

1378
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:44,439
Speaker 1: saw me, it's over. Um. You know, if I kick

1379
01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 1: a gear up and I'm walking in or to set up,

1380
01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:50,719
Speaker 1: I don't think you've seen me. The winds in my favor,

1381
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 1: but it just didn't like something of the sounds I made,

1382
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 1: or something any any soft bumps rather than hard and

1383
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 1: kind of trots out of there. Well, then I'm gonna

1384
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 1: probably think about he might come back, and I might

1385
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 1: look at how is he going to come back? And

1386
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:11,640
Speaker 1: I've set up on that in the past, and um,

1387
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:15,160
Speaker 1: I've had limited success. And most of the time if

1388
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:19,519
Speaker 1: I'm busted, it's because the dear circles and downwind and

1389
01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:25,160
Speaker 1: I'm not far enough downwind. So UM, I can think

1390
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:27,760
Speaker 1: of a few different instances right off the top of

1391
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:30,120
Speaker 1: my head where I had jumped the buck out of

1392
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:35,040
Speaker 1: a bed and had set up anyways, and had that

1393
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:38,720
Speaker 1: buck come back that same day, um and circle way

1394
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:43,439
Speaker 1: around down wind and bust me. And UM, now I

1395
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:45,599
Speaker 1: kind of look at it as like, if I jumped

1396
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:47,360
Speaker 1: that buck and I think he's gonna come back, I'm

1397
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 1: gonna look down wind and think, Okay, what what is

1398
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 1: he gonna do when he comes back? Because you are

1399
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:54,720
Speaker 1: gonna follow a transition or something, And so I want

1400
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:58,160
Speaker 1: to get on that downwind transition and get him circling

1401
01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:00,880
Speaker 1: around to come back in. But if he saw me

1402
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 1: or smelled me not moving, here's another mover don't move

1403
01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:11,720
Speaker 1: A scenario. If we're just continuing on here. Let's say

1404
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:13,960
Speaker 1: you get up in that tree. Fine, you haven't spooked anything,

1405
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 1: but you see another hunter. Maybe another hunter walks by

1406
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:23,799
Speaker 1: a couple hundred yards away or something, um, hundred hundred

1407
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:26,479
Speaker 1: fifty yards close enough that you're like, oh, ship, but

1408
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:30,760
Speaker 1: not so close that he necessarily blew everything out that

1409
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:34,280
Speaker 1: might be around you. Um, are you gonna wait it out?

1410
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:37,160
Speaker 1: Do you just get out of there? What's your stance

1411
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:40,000
Speaker 1: or how what's that distance? Source? Situation have to be

1412
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:41,879
Speaker 1: where you would stay or go and make that decision

1413
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 1: if you didn't tenetrate the betting, if he didn't get

1414
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:47,640
Speaker 1: his win into the bedding or whatever, or if he

1415
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:51,760
Speaker 1: just kept walking past and everyone in there. I just say,

1416
01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:57,040
Speaker 1: I just sit there and hunted. And I've had people

1417
01:14:57,080 --> 01:14:58,640
Speaker 1: walk by and had there come up and get up

1418
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:01,000
Speaker 1: and come past me afterwards. I'm and that's happened quite

1419
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:05,479
Speaker 1: a few times. And I've even kicked satellite deer that

1420
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:07,320
Speaker 1: aren't your target here and have them run right through

1421
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:10,320
Speaker 1: the bedding area, and you think your your hunt's over.

1422
01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:12,120
Speaker 1: In a little while later the buck gets upright with

1423
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 1: those deer ran comes in you know. Um. But I've

1424
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:18,400
Speaker 1: also had that buck get up and PRONTI there. You know.

1425
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 1: I can remember hunt gun hunting, um, where I want

1426
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:24,760
Speaker 1: to set up in a bed in area, and I

1427
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 1: got in there. There's people a little too close for

1428
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 1: my comfort, but I was already in there. It was late,

1429
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:34,600
Speaker 1: so I sat there, and right at closing time, a

1430
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:36,720
Speaker 1: two and a half year old buck got up like

1431
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 1: thirty yards for me out of the thick dogwood and

1432
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:42,080
Speaker 1: one step at the time, real if I wanted to

1433
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:44,439
Speaker 1: shoot him, koto, But it was actually probably right at

1434
01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:48,840
Speaker 1: closing time, the snuck out of there. And uh, you know,

1435
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:51,040
Speaker 1: you'd never dreamed that buck was sitting there with people around,

1436
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:55,400
Speaker 1: you know, But but they'll do that. What's what's too close?

1437
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:58,000
Speaker 1: Like you mentioned, there's people too close to comfort, too

1438
01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:02,000
Speaker 1: close for comfort for you? What's at range? Where I

1439
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:04,080
Speaker 1: mean a public land. Sometimes the other guys out there

1440
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:06,800
Speaker 1: and I've I've hunted and there's somebody within sight. Maybe

1441
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:08,519
Speaker 1: it's way far away, but you can see a little

1442
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:10,920
Speaker 1: patch of orange or something. How do you think about that?

1443
01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:13,200
Speaker 1: Are you out of there if you can see someone

1444
01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:15,280
Speaker 1: at all, or if you know they're within a couple

1445
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:17,840
Speaker 1: hundred yards or what's that range of comfort for you?

1446
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:21,280
Speaker 1: You know, more it's a matter of what what they're

1447
01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:24,280
Speaker 1: getting into, not really where they're at. You don't have

1448
01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:26,519
Speaker 1: a person pretty close to you, and it doesn't bother

1449
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:29,280
Speaker 1: me at all. Um, I don't like them knowing where

1450
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:34,160
Speaker 1: I'm at, But that's a different story. But to me,

1451
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:37,120
Speaker 1: I mean, if they're infringing on your beding area, if

1452
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:39,640
Speaker 1: they're infringing on your box, that's where they're kind of

1453
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:42,560
Speaker 1: blowing your hunt. Um. But like you said, when a

1454
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:46,960
Speaker 1: person walks by, there's two kinds of walks by. They

1455
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:49,080
Speaker 1: walk the trail, at every hundred it walks through their

1456
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:54,160
Speaker 1: walks where do you expects them? Or they wander off

1457
01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:56,360
Speaker 1: into the water real close to the bedding and through there.

1458
01:16:57,040 --> 01:16:59,040
Speaker 1: I mean you can walk right past it here if

1459
01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 1: you're on a trail, or or expects you, but you

1460
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:04,080
Speaker 1: should start getting off of it. They get real nervous

1461
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:08,479
Speaker 1: if you go where you don't belong. So if if

1462
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:10,519
Speaker 1: a hunter is just out there kind of wandering around,

1463
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:13,240
Speaker 1: like trying to kick up ducks or something duck hunting

1464
01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 1: and walks into the water a little bit and stuff

1465
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:17,599
Speaker 1: around the beding area, there's no way I'm staying around.

1466
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:21,160
Speaker 1: Or if the guy's hunting and fringing at um or

1467
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:23,720
Speaker 1: say he's a hundred yards away and his wind is

1468
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:26,280
Speaker 1: blown right into my beding area and he's gonna stay

1469
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:29,760
Speaker 1: a little dark, that would probably talk me into getting

1470
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 1: down and moving. Yeah, those are frustrating moments, that's for sure. Yeah,

1471
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:40,559
Speaker 1: it happens to everybody eventually. Yes, yes it does. Let's

1472
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:45,160
Speaker 1: let's look at to a instead of circumstances that I

1473
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:46,760
Speaker 1: think a lot of people do with, and I'm what

1474
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:49,360
Speaker 1: I'm most interested in is is how you would approach

1475
01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:53,439
Speaker 1: this situation at different points in the year. The situation

1476
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:55,280
Speaker 1: in general, let's say is you've gone in and you're

1477
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 1: hunting a location that you've you've previously picked out into something.

1478
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:02,720
Speaker 1: It's a betting area that you snuck in instead of

1479
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:05,760
Speaker 1: stand on um, or it's it's a spot that you

1480
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:09,560
Speaker 1: came to specifically to hunt this spot, and then you

1481
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:13,560
Speaker 1: spot a mature buck move out of range where you

1482
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:17,719
Speaker 1: didn't expect him. Maybe let's say he's eighty yards away

1483
01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:19,680
Speaker 1: or a hundred yards of way, so you've seen him

1484
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:25,120
Speaker 1: do something outside of what you expected. What would you

1485
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:29,760
Speaker 1: do the next day? In if this sighting was in

1486
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:34,680
Speaker 1: early season, so let's say October one, versus if it

1487
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:37,360
Speaker 1: was in the middle of the rut, we'll say November eight,

1488
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:42,479
Speaker 1: versus if it was late season, we'll say end of December.

1489
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:44,920
Speaker 1: Would you do the exact same thing every one of

1490
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 1: those days? Would you think about stay or go decision

1491
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:53,960
Speaker 1: differently depending um what's your take on that. If the

1492
01:18:54,040 --> 01:18:55,479
Speaker 1: deer was doing the same thing in each one of

1493
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:59,160
Speaker 1: those scenarios, like not chasing a door or something, I

1494
01:18:59,240 --> 01:19:02,599
Speaker 1: think I would do the exact same thing in each scenario.

1495
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:06,120
Speaker 1: I would I would get down. The next day, I'd

1496
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:08,599
Speaker 1: move over and hunt with that book was I think

1497
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:11,000
Speaker 1: your odds are probably a little higher in the late

1498
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:15,000
Speaker 1: season scenario. They're really patternable at that time, and then

1499
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 1: their second most patternable in the early season um, and

1500
01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:22,920
Speaker 1: then they're in the ruts, still patternable, but it sure

1501
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:27,800
Speaker 1: won't lasts long. Yeah, that's that's my biggest curiosity was

1502
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:32,519
Speaker 1: the right situation, because it's it's possible that what they're

1503
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:34,400
Speaker 1: doing is totally random at that time of the year,

1504
01:19:34,439 --> 01:19:37,360
Speaker 1: but at the same time, sometimes it's not um alright

1505
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:39,919
Speaker 1: for you as it all just based off of their behavior.

1506
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:41,840
Speaker 1: Is are they with a dough do they look at

1507
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:45,040
Speaker 1: their cruising or they wandering or you know what? You know,

1508
01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:46,800
Speaker 1: even if it's within the doll, I gotta wonder if

1509
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:48,760
Speaker 1: the doll is going to do the same thing. I

1510
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:52,000
Speaker 1: really like Hunton patterns um and and you know a

1511
01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:54,439
Speaker 1: lot of the times you're wrong, maybe maybe three out

1512
01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:56,200
Speaker 1: of four times that deer doesn't show up again the

1513
01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:59,640
Speaker 1: next day in the same spot. But you know, I

1514
01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:04,040
Speaker 1: like the odds of want of four. These aren't bad. Now,

1515
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:06,439
Speaker 1: is that only if you've got the exact same or

1516
01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:09,439
Speaker 1: similar wind, or would you do it even if the

1517
01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:12,960
Speaker 1: wind changes? Well, that's a good question. I mean, he

1518
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:14,799
Speaker 1: might not even be bed near or on that scenario

1519
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:17,840
Speaker 1: if the wind changes. But I certainly am going to

1520
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:20,600
Speaker 1: change if the wind changes for the bad, But I

1521
01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 1: might give it a shot if it If it's not

1522
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:27,120
Speaker 1: the same A lot of times um, and especially in

1523
01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:31,559
Speaker 1: certain terrains, UH, they'll have other bed and areas real

1524
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:34,400
Speaker 1: close to where they were betted and still come out

1525
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:37,720
Speaker 1: using the same trail, still stage the same areas, UH,

1526
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:40,960
Speaker 1: and do the same things. So there's a very good

1527
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:44,160
Speaker 1: chance that he'll still walk down that trail the next

1528
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:48,760
Speaker 1: day if the wind's wrong. Um. However, that's another one

1529
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:50,760
Speaker 1: where I think the odds are even lowered during rout

1530
01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:52,800
Speaker 1: because in rout, a lot of times you're betting the

1531
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:54,800
Speaker 1: trail went based on the wind a lot more than

1532
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:59,320
Speaker 1: the art o the times of the year. HM. Let's

1533
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:02,840
Speaker 1: look at this slightly different version of this, which is

1534
01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:05,080
Speaker 1: something that a lot of people deal to where it's

1535
01:21:06,040 --> 01:21:11,000
Speaker 1: trail camera based intel. So rather than you're seeing a

1536
01:21:11,080 --> 01:21:13,400
Speaker 1: deer somewhere and you want to move there, let's now

1537
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:16,600
Speaker 1: say instead you've got a daylight trail camera picture of

1538
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:22,640
Speaker 1: a buck doing something, and he's doing it yesterday and

1539
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:25,439
Speaker 1: either you've got a cell phone picture or you checked

1540
01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:27,599
Speaker 1: it this morning or something. You know, Hey, he moved

1541
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:33,040
Speaker 1: in daylight here yesterday, but today I've got different conditions.

1542
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:35,680
Speaker 1: Let's say he did two days in a row, or

1543
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:38,080
Speaker 1: two out of two out of three days he moved

1544
01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:41,519
Speaker 1: in daylight in this spot with a westerly wind of

1545
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:44,800
Speaker 1: some kind. Today you find out about it. But you've

1546
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:49,360
Speaker 1: got easterly winds or some variation. Do you think the

1547
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:51,240
Speaker 1: winds different. I'm not going in or do you have

1548
01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:53,560
Speaker 1: to try? Because hey, he was in the area and

1549
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:57,160
Speaker 1: he was daylight. I gotta try. What are your thoughts there?

1550
01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:04,559
Speaker 1: Usually I'm waiting for that that wind to repeat. Um. However, um,

1551
01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:10,920
Speaker 1: I guess said, ah, that could be that could change it.

1552
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:13,800
Speaker 1: Like say, stay at the morning picture and he's he's

1553
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:16,320
Speaker 1: under in daylight in the morning, I'm gonna say, Okay,

1554
01:22:16,360 --> 01:22:20,479
Speaker 1: well he's better really close, right, So then I might

1555
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:24,040
Speaker 1: try and slip in there. Um. But I think if

1556
01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:26,120
Speaker 1: I have a pattern to wind, I'm gonna I'm gonna

1557
01:22:26,280 --> 01:22:28,000
Speaker 1: wait for that wind to be the same. I'm not

1558
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:31,479
Speaker 1: gonna go in there and disrupt a good thing. If

1559
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:33,400
Speaker 1: the wind's wrong, I'm gonna try and wait for the

1560
01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:36,280
Speaker 1: same pattern. Um, I really don't want to wait too

1561
01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:38,640
Speaker 1: long because you see, and you know this as well

1562
01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:41,160
Speaker 1: as I do, those patterns in those betters. They might

1563
01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:43,559
Speaker 1: be there four or five days and then they're gone

1564
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 1: for two weeks, you know. I had a scenario like

1565
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:49,759
Speaker 1: that last year. I mean, I had a cell camo

1566
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:53,360
Speaker 1: and it was on a little tiny island on a

1567
01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:55,880
Speaker 1: place about, you know, for five minutes from my house,

1568
01:22:56,960 --> 01:22:58,439
Speaker 1: and I put the cell camera there and then I

1569
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:01,160
Speaker 1: travel over and hunt. When you know the bucks are there,

1570
01:23:01,160 --> 01:23:03,360
Speaker 1: there's this real big twelve point on one to get,

1571
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:07,280
Speaker 1: but there's other bucks I didn't even know about. And

1572
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:09,800
Speaker 1: it turned out like sixteen different pope and young bucks

1573
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:11,799
Speaker 1: were within in the swamp or going past that camera.

1574
01:23:12,439 --> 01:23:14,840
Speaker 1: And that camera get real active at times, and it

1575
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:17,400
Speaker 1: was so hard to pattern those deer because you'd pattern

1576
01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:19,960
Speaker 1: him and then you go in there and they're bedded

1577
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:21,360
Speaker 1: so close you'd kick him out. But it was the

1578
01:23:21,400 --> 01:23:23,080
Speaker 1: only place you could hunt. Everything was up to your

1579
01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:26,519
Speaker 1: waist and water, you know, until you're on that island

1580
01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:31,599
Speaker 1: and the islands a quarter eight here. Um. One time

1581
01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:33,920
Speaker 1: I had that twelve point on there in daylight in

1582
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:37,040
Speaker 1: the morning in front of that camera, walked past with

1583
01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 1: a doll right around Halloween. Uh So I thought, well,

1584
01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:43,639
Speaker 1: he's got to be bedding right there. And I'm speak

1585
01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:46,639
Speaker 1: of the wind. It is perfect. It was a rare

1586
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:48,519
Speaker 1: east wind, and it gave me a chance to get

1587
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:50,400
Speaker 1: right in there. And I'm saying I could just slip

1588
01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:52,559
Speaker 1: out of the water right up a tree. I said,

1589
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:54,200
Speaker 1: on the tree that thing was bed at ten yards

1590
01:23:54,240 --> 01:23:58,439
Speaker 1: from the camera. But you can't see them because the

1591
01:23:58,479 --> 01:24:01,080
Speaker 1: camera's not aiming at him. Sometimes those cameras frustrate you

1592
01:24:01,160 --> 01:24:07,479
Speaker 1: more than they help you. Yeah, sure, man. So did

1593
01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:09,920
Speaker 1: you ever figure out a way to try to hunt

1594
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:13,760
Speaker 1: in there without blowing them out? Or was that every year?

1595
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:16,800
Speaker 1: I've been hunting that deer for four years. Um. This

1596
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:19,400
Speaker 1: last year, I really spent some time in our winter

1597
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:23,960
Speaker 1: swimming around, and uh, I really got into the area,

1598
01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:27,280
Speaker 1: found a couple of new uh ways to get at them.

1599
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:32,720
Speaker 1: Um going from a canal without with a kayak, I'm

1600
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:36,439
Speaker 1: gonna I found a spot where or some just a

1601
01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:38,600
Speaker 1: couple of trees off to the side where there's a

1602
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 1: killer bedder I didn't even know about. Um, And uh

1603
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:46,200
Speaker 1: it was a tangle I got earned the middle of

1604
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:50,400
Speaker 1: the summer and opened it up, and and I had

1605
01:24:50,479 --> 01:24:53,439
Speaker 1: to cut a trail to get to it, um in

1606
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:56,639
Speaker 1: July because it's so thick with cat tells you could

1607
01:24:56,680 --> 01:24:58,840
Speaker 1: not get to it quietly. So I have some other

1608
01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:02,240
Speaker 1: asset ways to it in r U try. I don't

1609
01:25:02,240 --> 01:25:03,840
Speaker 1: know how much longer this here is going to be alive.

1610
01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:07,599
Speaker 1: He's pretty old, um, but I believe he's still alive.

1611
01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:12,240
Speaker 1: I I got a glimpse of a giant there shining

1612
01:25:13,400 --> 01:25:17,439
Speaker 1: two weeks ago coming out of that stuff that I

1613
01:25:17,560 --> 01:25:21,240
Speaker 1: think with him, But I'm not absolutely positive he speaking

1614
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:24,680
Speaker 1: of shining. This is something that, um, that I've been

1615
01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:26,240
Speaker 1: thinking about a little bit more. And I know what

1616
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:27,960
Speaker 1: you we've talked about a little bit in the past.

1617
01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:31,400
Speaker 1: But are there any things, um, for people that want

1618
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:34,000
Speaker 1: to add that as something they can do, which in

1619
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:36,320
Speaker 1: some states, as you mentioned, you cannot do. In some

1620
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:38,840
Speaker 1: states you can do, but there are certain windows of

1621
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:40,920
Speaker 1: time when you're allowed to versus not, So make sure

1622
01:25:40,920 --> 01:25:44,839
Speaker 1: you check your regulations, um, But can you just elaborate

1623
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:48,800
Speaker 1: a little bit on some specific times you should do

1624
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:51,360
Speaker 1: that or ways you should do it in in such

1625
01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:53,240
Speaker 1: a fashion that actually helps you. So basically we're talking

1626
01:25:53,240 --> 01:25:56,920
Speaker 1: about shining a spotlight and fields, but can you dive

1627
01:25:56,960 --> 01:25:58,640
Speaker 1: into that a little bit more deeply and how you

1628
01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:03,240
Speaker 1: can make that most useful from a hunting perspective. Yeah,

1629
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:05,559
Speaker 1: I try to. I try not to waste my time

1630
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:08,320
Speaker 1: shining areas where I can't hunt. To me, it's not

1631
01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:11,040
Speaker 1: about to sightseeing or you know, and then if it's

1632
01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:13,479
Speaker 1: private lands and as you kiss people off, So I

1633
01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:15,360
Speaker 1: try to stick to the to the public or to

1634
01:26:15,439 --> 01:26:19,640
Speaker 1: land adjacent to the public where I hunt, and or

1635
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:22,240
Speaker 1: the farm that I have permission on, and I just

1636
01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:26,360
Speaker 1: try to catch the deer. I think a lot of times,

1637
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:30,439
Speaker 1: you know, here up until like I think it's uh

1638
01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:33,800
Speaker 1: September tenth or fifteenth or something like that, you can

1639
01:26:34,479 --> 01:26:36,600
Speaker 1: you shine all night and then and then there's a

1640
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:39,599
Speaker 1: limit at ten o'clock. When you shine all night, I mean,

1641
01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:42,400
Speaker 1: wait until about ten or eleven o'clock at night or

1642
01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:44,880
Speaker 1: even later is sometimes a good thing because they're pretty

1643
01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:48,800
Speaker 1: shy about getting to the roadsides until later. And often

1644
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:51,040
Speaker 1: if you go too early, as you see, is green

1645
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:55,880
Speaker 1: eyes a half mile back? You know, Um, catching by

1646
01:26:55,920 --> 01:26:58,040
Speaker 1: the roads is better. I feel a lot of my

1647
01:26:58,080 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 1: biggest stuff, you find a lot of my biggest stuf

1648
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:05,040
Speaker 1: fearing like three or four in the morning, UM, usually

1649
01:27:05,080 --> 01:27:11,559
Speaker 1: on my way to work. UM. So once I find something,

1650
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:14,200
Speaker 1: I narrowed down. So I'll go look at public properties

1651
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:17,080
Speaker 1: all over the place that I know about, and I'll

1652
01:27:17,080 --> 01:27:19,200
Speaker 1: start narrowing my focus. First it will be a really

1653
01:27:19,320 --> 01:27:22,639
Speaker 1: wide neck. And then when I locate some good stuff,

1654
01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:25,120
Speaker 1: I'll start, you know, really start looking around the area

1655
01:27:25,160 --> 01:27:28,280
Speaker 1: where that good stuff is and narrowing my focus and

1656
01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:31,200
Speaker 1: then trying to figure out what fields they're going into,

1657
01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:34,200
Speaker 1: or that the particular buck is going into, how wide

1658
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:37,519
Speaker 1: his pattern is, and I just try to Once I've

1659
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:39,920
Speaker 1: got that kind of down, I try to keep a

1660
01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:43,040
Speaker 1: rough eye on him, you know where I'm not harassing him,

1661
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:46,280
Speaker 1: but I just keep caps so if his pattern starts

1662
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:49,760
Speaker 1: changing before season, that I'm onto it and I know

1663
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:52,320
Speaker 1: where he's moving to or what's going on with him,

1664
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:56,000
Speaker 1: and then you can pin that setting down to, well,

1665
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:58,560
Speaker 1: if he's feeding out in this field at three in

1666
01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:01,600
Speaker 1: the morning, there's a decent chance that he's betted in

1667
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:04,479
Speaker 1: this place. Three quarters of a mile away in this

1668
01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:06,840
Speaker 1: place is the other direction that that's kind of how

1669
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:09,880
Speaker 1: you start picking where he's mostly spending time. So you

1670
01:28:09,960 --> 01:28:11,439
Speaker 1: might be seeing him in a field at like three

1671
01:28:11,439 --> 01:28:13,120
Speaker 1: in the morning, and a couple of nights in a

1672
01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:15,920
Speaker 1: row you're seeing three in the morning. Then you know, Um,

1673
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:19,920
Speaker 1: the next night you go out at ten pm and

1674
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:23,080
Speaker 1: he's two fields over. The next day you go out,

1675
01:28:23,240 --> 01:28:25,599
Speaker 1: you know, just before daylight, at like five in the morning,

1676
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:27,240
Speaker 1: you catch him on the other side of field over.

1677
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:30,720
Speaker 1: I think the direction of travel, you know, so the

1678
01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:34,040
Speaker 1: different time frames and stuff helped too. Yeah, that's a

1679
01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:36,680
Speaker 1: good point, because that's that's the probably the biggest thing

1680
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:39,200
Speaker 1: is is you can you need point A and point

1681
01:28:39,240 --> 01:28:40,920
Speaker 1: B is great, but if you don't know direction to

1682
01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:44,560
Speaker 1: travel and when he's traveling that direction, you don't have

1683
01:28:45,560 --> 01:28:52,200
Speaker 1: that connecting part of the puzzle. Yeah. Now, this is

1684
01:28:52,280 --> 01:28:55,400
Speaker 1: a situation that maybe shining would be the answer to

1685
01:28:55,680 --> 01:29:00,680
Speaker 1: to some degree. Um, maybe not, But what about this

1686
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:04,680
Speaker 1: totally different set of circumstances. This maybe is more of

1687
01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:09,559
Speaker 1: a mental thing than anything. Your season open September. Right,

1688
01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:14,680
Speaker 1: Let's say we get all the way to November. It's

1689
01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:18,200
Speaker 1: been November, you've hunted in early season, you've hunted through October.

1690
01:29:18,360 --> 01:29:21,640
Speaker 1: You put in a bunch of long days during the

1691
01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:24,599
Speaker 1: first part of the rut, and you've yet to get

1692
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:27,240
Speaker 1: eyes on the mature buck, nothing that you want to

1693
01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:29,599
Speaker 1: shoot yet. You've seen young ones, you've seen lots of doughs,

1694
01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:31,880
Speaker 1: but you've had other hunters coming and muck your stuff up.

1695
01:29:32,280 --> 01:29:34,400
Speaker 1: Just stuff's been going wrong. It's been a bad year.

1696
01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:39,160
Speaker 1: How do you mentally handle that? I don't know if

1697
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:40,920
Speaker 1: you had maybe you've had a year like that at

1698
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:42,720
Speaker 1: some point in your experience and you can talk to

1699
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:46,160
Speaker 1: me about how you handled that situation. And then secondly,

1700
01:29:47,160 --> 01:29:49,800
Speaker 1: from a tactical standpoint, at this point, you've been hunting

1701
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:54,439
Speaker 1: weeks and weeks and weeks and nothing. Do you think

1702
01:29:54,520 --> 01:29:56,880
Speaker 1: that it's a keep on, keeping on kind of situation? Like, Hey,

1703
01:29:56,920 --> 01:29:58,880
Speaker 1: if you just keep doing the right things long enough,

1704
01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:02,720
Speaker 1: it'll finally come together. Or is it? No? I need

1705
01:30:02,840 --> 01:30:08,760
Speaker 1: to call them major audible and really change things up. So,

1706
01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:12,960
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody has hard times in their hunting. Um,

1707
01:30:13,200 --> 01:30:15,960
Speaker 1: I think they affect me a lot less. Now. I

1708
01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:18,760
Speaker 1: think if you grow with confidence you know what I mean,

1709
01:30:18,920 --> 01:30:21,680
Speaker 1: as as you grow as a hunter, and I know

1710
01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:25,120
Speaker 1: my tactics work. I know what I'm doing works, So

1711
01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:27,960
Speaker 1: a streak of bad luck doesn't really bother me as

1712
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:31,640
Speaker 1: much as it probably bothers other people, And uh I

1713
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:33,800
Speaker 1: can kind of laugh at those mistakes more than other people,

1714
01:30:33,840 --> 01:30:38,479
Speaker 1: I think. But I just keep going. And uh, I

1715
01:30:38,560 --> 01:30:41,840
Speaker 1: really don't worry about yesterday. I worry about tomorrow. I think,

1716
01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:44,479
Speaker 1: to me, the only thing that really matters is what's

1717
01:30:44,479 --> 01:30:48,920
Speaker 1: going on tomorrow. You can't change the past. So I've

1718
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:51,920
Speaker 1: got a different attitude than most people too. Um Usually

1719
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:53,920
Speaker 1: if I go if I'm hunting a certain bucket, I'm

1720
01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:59,880
Speaker 1: hunting an area down and there's you know, ten spot.

1721
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:04,280
Speaker 1: He could be about nine spots, and I'm smiling. I

1722
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:07,600
Speaker 1: feel like my my aunts are going up. I've eliminated

1723
01:31:07,640 --> 01:31:10,479
Speaker 1: a lot of spots, you know. And if I go

1724
01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:12,519
Speaker 1: through all ten, then I'm thinking of all case hiding

1725
01:31:12,680 --> 01:31:14,639
Speaker 1: some spot that I'm not expecting. I'm gonna go search

1726
01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:17,640
Speaker 1: a little harder, you know. But I do feel like

1727
01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:20,240
Speaker 1: I'm getting closer. Even if I'm not seeing something. If

1728
01:31:20,280 --> 01:31:22,920
Speaker 1: I know he's there, I'm gonna home down and find them.

1729
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:26,080
Speaker 1: And if I'm not onto something that or anything, I'll

1730
01:31:26,120 --> 01:31:28,200
Speaker 1: just go off on a mission and find something, you know,

1731
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:30,880
Speaker 1: if it means us skipping a day of hunting and

1732
01:31:31,120 --> 01:31:34,360
Speaker 1: putting a hard disk out and I'll go find something,

1733
01:31:34,720 --> 01:31:36,599
Speaker 1: you know, and you get to that November time frame,

1734
01:31:36,680 --> 01:31:37,880
Speaker 1: you can tell if a buck has been in an

1735
01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:40,000
Speaker 1: area it's ripped up, you know. And I'll just go

1736
01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:42,519
Speaker 1: and check public lands and maybe the spots I haven't

1737
01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:45,360
Speaker 1: been to and just start going on admission to get

1738
01:31:45,400 --> 01:31:49,400
Speaker 1: out them. You know. Yeah, yeah, So is that a

1739
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:54,680
Speaker 1: situation that's ever? Like you said, it's it's almost invigorating

1740
01:31:54,760 --> 01:31:57,160
Speaker 1: maybe because you know you've you've you've crossed all these

1741
01:31:57,200 --> 01:31:58,920
Speaker 1: different things off the map and you can finally say

1742
01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:01,800
Speaker 1: you're narrating down when you get into a deal like that.

1743
01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:03,840
Speaker 1: Do you are you at the point yet where that's

1744
01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:06,320
Speaker 1: like a fun challenge like ship, I'm gonna figure it

1745
01:32:06,320 --> 01:32:10,360
Speaker 1: out no matter what. Yeah, you know, UM, I do

1746
01:32:10,479 --> 01:32:11,800
Speaker 1: get that way. I get it. I get kind of

1747
01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:15,720
Speaker 1: like a cocky attitude where it's like, oh, you think

1748
01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:17,960
Speaker 1: you got me out smarted. You know I'm gonna get you.

1749
01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:23,799
Speaker 1: You know. Um, I do get that way. And sometimes

1750
01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:26,040
Speaker 1: you fail anyways, but it really doesn't feel like you fail,

1751
01:32:26,080 --> 01:32:30,680
Speaker 1: I mean to me, or is something, um there's like

1752
01:32:30,680 --> 01:32:34,080
Speaker 1: an inner drive with me, like a like we're I

1753
01:32:34,200 --> 01:32:36,920
Speaker 1: love to chase more than to kill and and uh,

1754
01:32:37,760 --> 01:32:40,240
Speaker 1: as long as I'm on something, I'm on a buck

1755
01:32:40,280 --> 01:32:44,040
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm out there trying, I'm happy. You know.

1756
01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:48,679
Speaker 1: It's almost like, uh, anti climatic when you wouldn't shoot

1757
01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:50,400
Speaker 1: your thing, or you get one early season and you're like,

1758
01:32:50,439 --> 01:32:53,439
Speaker 1: well now what you know, it's like I can't be

1759
01:32:53,479 --> 01:32:58,000
Speaker 1: out of state for the whole next three months. But yeah,

1760
01:32:58,200 --> 01:33:01,040
Speaker 1: it isn't the same it was when I was younger.

1761
01:33:01,479 --> 01:33:04,160
Speaker 1: I think a young guy goes out there, he's got

1762
01:33:04,280 --> 01:33:06,960
Speaker 1: something to prove. He doesn't have a lot of bucks

1763
01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:09,439
Speaker 1: under his belt, and he wants to show everybody that

1764
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:11,519
Speaker 1: he's he's a good hunter and he's adequate at what

1765
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:14,400
Speaker 1: he does, um, and that he's capable of doing it,

1766
01:33:14,520 --> 01:33:16,720
Speaker 1: and that he's not just all talk. So he's going

1767
01:33:16,760 --> 01:33:20,000
Speaker 1: out there really trying to kill something. When you see

1768
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:22,760
Speaker 1: those young guys where you know they'll miss a shot

1769
01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:25,080
Speaker 1: or something'll swear it themselves to throw the boat down

1770
01:33:25,120 --> 01:33:28,320
Speaker 1: on the piste, you know, or a guy that has

1771
01:33:28,360 --> 01:33:30,000
Speaker 1: done this for a while and just laugh at it

1772
01:33:30,080 --> 01:33:34,439
Speaker 1: and go, you won this time, you know, um. And

1773
01:33:34,600 --> 01:33:38,960
Speaker 1: so it's a different ballgame when you get to when

1774
01:33:38,960 --> 01:33:42,280
Speaker 1: you're becoming an accomplished hunter. I think you're stages you

1775
01:33:42,360 --> 01:33:44,639
Speaker 1: go through in life, and I guess some people probably

1776
01:33:44,640 --> 01:33:47,160
Speaker 1: don't get all the way into stages, but you know,

1777
01:33:47,360 --> 01:33:52,599
Speaker 1: some people do. You mentioned the specific example of missing

1778
01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:56,639
Speaker 1: a buck. What do you do now when you miss

1779
01:33:56,680 --> 01:33:59,280
Speaker 1: a buck? What's how do you handle that? Mentally? How

1780
01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:01,439
Speaker 1: do you and there was there anything you do in

1781
01:34:01,479 --> 01:34:03,960
Speaker 1: the days afterwards to get your mind right again, or

1782
01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:06,320
Speaker 1: to get your shooting right or anything. I know you

1783
01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:08,400
Speaker 1: had a season I don't know if it was last year,

1784
01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:10,320
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago where he had a little

1785
01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:13,519
Speaker 1: bit of that streak like that. How do you mentally

1786
01:34:13,640 --> 01:34:17,240
Speaker 1: and tactically handle that? Yeah, I had a pretty bad

1787
01:34:17,280 --> 01:34:21,280
Speaker 1: streak last year. Um. I think I I blew five

1788
01:34:21,320 --> 01:34:26,920
Speaker 1: opportunities in a row. Um, and that's a really nice box. Uh,

1789
01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:30,320
Speaker 1: one of them at sixteen points at least that I

1790
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:35,519
Speaker 1: could count from the tree. And uh, you just you know,

1791
01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:38,240
Speaker 1: it was frustrating more more than I'd like to admit.

1792
01:34:38,360 --> 01:34:41,360
Speaker 1: I'd like to tell you that. Uh, you know, I

1793
01:34:41,479 --> 01:34:44,040
Speaker 1: laughed it all off, but you know I laughed probably

1794
01:34:44,080 --> 01:34:49,200
Speaker 1: the first two off everyone's glass. But then you're starting

1795
01:34:49,240 --> 01:34:51,960
Speaker 1: to realize there's something off in your game, you know. Um,

1796
01:34:52,680 --> 01:34:56,240
Speaker 1: I just there's something that wasn't right with between me

1797
01:34:56,320 --> 01:34:59,759
Speaker 1: and my bowl. Um. I know I had an issue

1798
01:34:59,800 --> 01:35:03,880
Speaker 1: with my um my peep. I think my vision is

1799
01:35:03,880 --> 01:35:06,120
Speaker 1: starting to get bad as I get older, and uh

1800
01:35:07,680 --> 01:35:10,560
Speaker 1: to topple that. I had some string twist problems and

1801
01:35:10,640 --> 01:35:13,200
Speaker 1: I kept twisting it, um, and I wasn't going to

1802
01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:15,160
Speaker 1: change it right in the middle of the season, and

1803
01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:19,840
Speaker 1: it got pretty frustrating. Um. But what I did was

1804
01:35:19,880 --> 01:35:22,200
Speaker 1: I went back home and I worked at it. I practice,

1805
01:35:22,520 --> 01:35:26,080
Speaker 1: you know, I try to make sure everything's on, you know,

1806
01:35:26,240 --> 01:35:30,880
Speaker 1: and and UH just go out there and get back

1807
01:35:30,920 --> 01:35:33,200
Speaker 1: on the saddle and do it again, you know. And

1808
01:35:33,400 --> 01:35:37,520
Speaker 1: I do think that or some people just get really frustrated.

1809
01:35:38,120 --> 01:35:40,439
Speaker 1: I do get in the mode where you kind of

1810
01:35:40,479 --> 01:35:42,080
Speaker 1: get like, this ain't gonna happen to me, and I'm

1811
01:35:42,160 --> 01:35:44,360
Speaker 1: going to prove I can't do this. And I and

1812
01:35:44,439 --> 01:35:48,000
Speaker 1: I hunt harder, you know, I scout harder. I pushed harder.

1813
01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:54,400
Speaker 1: And even though I had all those failures last year, man,

1814
01:35:54,439 --> 01:35:57,040
Speaker 1: I sure got him to deer. You know how I

1815
01:35:57,120 --> 01:36:01,520
Speaker 1: was on I'm like crazy. Yeah. What about the opposite

1816
01:36:01,880 --> 01:36:05,679
Speaker 1: situation from the one we're kind of talking about where

1817
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:07,559
Speaker 1: you have a bad run of luck and you either

1818
01:36:07,640 --> 01:36:10,280
Speaker 1: miss some bucks or just can't get them on them

1819
01:36:10,320 --> 01:36:13,280
Speaker 1: all season without the opposite you. You just kind of

1820
01:36:13,360 --> 01:36:16,360
Speaker 1: mentioned it in passing a second ago, where you fill

1821
01:36:16,400 --> 01:36:19,639
Speaker 1: your tag early early, you kill on opening day, maybe

1822
01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:22,679
Speaker 1: you kill your buck September and it's a one buck

1823
01:36:22,760 --> 01:36:25,400
Speaker 1: state and yeah, maybe you can do an out of

1824
01:36:25,439 --> 01:36:28,360
Speaker 1: state trip, but most people can't go out of state

1825
01:36:28,439 --> 01:36:31,439
Speaker 1: for two months or three months or whatever. How would

1826
01:36:31,520 --> 01:36:34,240
Speaker 1: you recommend or I guess you, what would you do

1827
01:36:34,640 --> 01:36:36,719
Speaker 1: to make the most of your time over the coming

1828
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:39,559
Speaker 1: weeks and months after you've filled that tag and you've

1829
01:36:39,600 --> 01:36:42,920
Speaker 1: taken your out of state trip? Um, what specifically could

1830
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:48,040
Speaker 1: you do in a season like that? Well, Um, for me,

1831
01:36:48,240 --> 01:36:50,679
Speaker 1: I can't just I'm a different breed and I can't.

1832
01:36:50,720 --> 01:36:52,720
Speaker 1: I just can't go out and just hunt those But

1833
01:36:52,800 --> 01:36:55,080
Speaker 1: you just say an enemy. I love shooting them when

1834
01:36:55,120 --> 01:36:58,960
Speaker 1: they come buy Walmoutton or whatever. But I just can't

1835
01:36:59,000 --> 01:37:02,920
Speaker 1: bring myself to go out get doe hunter. So what

1836
01:37:03,040 --> 01:37:05,760
Speaker 1: I like to do is, um, I do the out

1837
01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:07,800
Speaker 1: of state trips, and then when I'm not doing out

1838
01:37:07,840 --> 01:37:11,960
Speaker 1: of state trips, I'm either scouting or I'm taking from

1839
01:37:12,720 --> 01:37:14,640
Speaker 1: I love to put guys that I know on on

1840
01:37:14,920 --> 01:37:17,840
Speaker 1: Boxer or guys that I know are having a hard time.

1841
01:37:18,520 --> 01:37:20,280
Speaker 1: I just randomly say I want to go hunt, and

1842
01:37:20,320 --> 01:37:22,400
Speaker 1: then I take about and put him some wors and

1843
01:37:23,720 --> 01:37:26,880
Speaker 1: helped get a deer and I feel really good about that. Um.

1844
01:37:27,880 --> 01:37:32,840
Speaker 1: But the scouting is really key, um, because there's not

1845
01:37:32,960 --> 01:37:35,160
Speaker 1: too often that you have time where you can go

1846
01:37:35,320 --> 01:37:38,720
Speaker 1: scout during season and look at those beds while they're

1847
01:37:38,760 --> 01:37:42,560
Speaker 1: being used and not have to worry. You know, So

1848
01:37:42,840 --> 01:37:45,799
Speaker 1: go in and scout those beding areas right during season

1849
01:37:46,640 --> 01:37:49,760
Speaker 1: and look at what's going on. UM, I can really

1850
01:37:49,840 --> 01:37:52,439
Speaker 1: teach you a lot more than looking at them two

1851
01:37:52,520 --> 01:37:57,240
Speaker 1: months later after season. You know, yes, so is is

1852
01:37:57,360 --> 01:38:01,599
Speaker 1: the best thing due to literally boots on ground, hit

1853
01:38:01,720 --> 01:38:06,320
Speaker 1: all your good stuff in season to see exactly what's happening. Um?

1854
01:38:06,960 --> 01:38:10,439
Speaker 1: Or do you have to worry? Does does observation factor

1855
01:38:10,479 --> 01:38:11,880
Speaker 1: at all into the type of scouting you want to

1856
01:38:11,880 --> 01:38:13,759
Speaker 1: do in season two? Because I'm I mean there's value

1857
01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:17,160
Speaker 1: in watching too. UM. Do you try to balance that

1858
01:38:17,160 --> 01:38:20,639
Speaker 1: at all? Or what are your thoughts there? Not sure

1859
01:38:20,760 --> 01:38:23,600
Speaker 1: but you know you know, UM, not as much. But

1860
01:38:24,720 --> 01:38:28,880
Speaker 1: I do glass a little bit um after my tags

1861
01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:31,840
Speaker 1: are filled. But I really like to just get in

1862
01:38:31,920 --> 01:38:34,920
Speaker 1: and look at the bed nears um too, and see

1863
01:38:34,960 --> 01:38:38,920
Speaker 1: what's being used and what's not at at specific time frames.

1864
01:38:40,160 --> 01:38:42,080
Speaker 1: You know, kick a nice tear out of something and

1865
01:38:42,120 --> 01:38:43,720
Speaker 1: look at it where you really wouldn't want to do

1866
01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:48,800
Speaker 1: that in season otherwise. I hope that I have a

1867
01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:52,400
Speaker 1: ear like that. Someday I had one. Yet when I've

1868
01:38:52,439 --> 01:38:54,000
Speaker 1: got a whole bunch of season left where I don't

1869
01:38:54,040 --> 01:38:56,559
Speaker 1: have a dag, just out a bunch of somehow, always

1870
01:38:56,600 --> 01:38:59,880
Speaker 1: find myself still chasing my tail around. But one of

1871
01:38:59,920 --> 01:39:02,479
Speaker 1: the years I hope to put that into practice. Um.

1872
01:39:03,960 --> 01:39:07,719
Speaker 1: But speaking of the end of things, um to final

1873
01:39:07,800 --> 01:39:10,080
Speaker 1: questions before I let you get back to your evening, Dan,

1874
01:39:10,760 --> 01:39:15,880
Speaker 1: two scenarios of sorts. Um, here's here's the last one.

1875
01:39:16,040 --> 01:39:17,720
Speaker 1: And we we talked about this a little bit. That

1876
01:39:17,840 --> 01:39:21,120
Speaker 1: being the fact that right there's more people that hunt

1877
01:39:21,240 --> 01:39:24,000
Speaker 1: like you do now than probably ever before, because of

1878
01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:27,160
Speaker 1: the media you put out, because of podcast like this one,

1879
01:39:27,200 --> 01:39:29,280
Speaker 1: because of all these other things where people are talking

1880
01:39:29,360 --> 01:39:32,240
Speaker 1: about how to hunt in a mobile fashion, how to

1881
01:39:32,360 --> 01:39:36,200
Speaker 1: key in on betting areas, how to be aggressive. Um,

1882
01:39:36,760 --> 01:39:38,760
Speaker 1: it's a different world now than it was in two

1883
01:39:38,840 --> 01:39:43,240
Speaker 1: thousand five. So what if I were to tell you

1884
01:39:43,400 --> 01:39:45,559
Speaker 1: and you've kind of had a situation like this, if

1885
01:39:45,600 --> 01:39:47,519
Speaker 1: you look at the public land challenges, where there's a

1886
01:39:47,560 --> 01:39:49,720
Speaker 1: bunch of guys that kind of hunt like you. But

1887
01:39:49,880 --> 01:39:55,080
Speaker 1: let's say that we're hunting one piece of public land.

1888
01:39:55,600 --> 01:39:59,280
Speaker 1: Let's say it's pretty big, but there's a bunch of

1889
01:39:59,320 --> 01:40:01,280
Speaker 1: guys that hunt like you. There's a bunch of really

1890
01:40:01,360 --> 01:40:05,120
Speaker 1: good beast mode deer hunters, like a lot more of

1891
01:40:05,240 --> 01:40:07,320
Speaker 1: us are dealing with. Now we're all dealing with more

1892
01:40:07,840 --> 01:40:12,040
Speaker 1: effective hunters. What are you doing now differently in that

1893
01:40:12,160 --> 01:40:14,800
Speaker 1: scenario than you had to do ten or fifteen years ago,

1894
01:40:15,800 --> 01:40:21,200
Speaker 1: because everyone's doing it like this. Welcome to my life,

1895
01:40:24,160 --> 01:40:26,479
Speaker 1: especially around my Alice. I mean, you gotta remember around

1896
01:40:26,640 --> 01:40:30,760
Speaker 1: where I live, um is all Marsh Train and those

1897
01:40:30,760 --> 01:40:35,720
Speaker 1: original Marsh Hunting DVDs, especially at Blood Brothers one. I

1898
01:40:35,880 --> 01:40:40,560
Speaker 1: probably sold those videos around here. Um, it used to

1899
01:40:40,600 --> 01:40:42,759
Speaker 1: be all of all the islands out here and stuff,

1900
01:40:42,800 --> 01:40:47,879
Speaker 1: we're all pretty much mine. Um. And now there's trails

1901
01:40:47,920 --> 01:40:49,920
Speaker 1: going out to there's guys hunting on him every weekend

1902
01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:53,360
Speaker 1: and stuff. And what happens is the deer change and

1903
01:40:53,520 --> 01:40:56,160
Speaker 1: you have to adapt with them. Um, So gear are

1904
01:40:56,200 --> 01:40:59,719
Speaker 1: still here. It's just a pressure puss of a different spots.

1905
01:41:00,320 --> 01:41:02,880
Speaker 1: So you've got to find the spots that are a

1906
01:41:02,920 --> 01:41:06,200
Speaker 1: little more hidden, a little more overlooked, a little more

1907
01:41:06,280 --> 01:41:10,439
Speaker 1: off to the side. Um, and you've gotta work a

1908
01:41:10,439 --> 01:41:14,880
Speaker 1: little harder. The good part is is usually, um, the

1909
01:41:15,040 --> 01:41:19,920
Speaker 1: pressure from those guys puts those deer in pretty specific spots.

1910
01:41:19,960 --> 01:41:24,040
Speaker 1: I mean, there's very little spots that aren't getting hit anymore. Um,

1911
01:41:24,720 --> 01:41:26,880
Speaker 1: and that's where they're at, you know. Um. And and

1912
01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:29,439
Speaker 1: another good thing is is it used to be on

1913
01:41:29,560 --> 01:41:33,280
Speaker 1: public land, every guy you ran into shot any deer

1914
01:41:33,320 --> 01:41:37,519
Speaker 1: they saw because you're you're you're, you're so called good

1915
01:41:37,600 --> 01:41:41,960
Speaker 1: hunters were all hunting private land. Which there's people now

1916
01:41:42,160 --> 01:41:45,920
Speaker 1: that have private land that really would rather hunt on

1917
01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:51,679
Speaker 1: public which, um, kind of surprising that people are tending

1918
01:41:51,760 --> 01:41:54,200
Speaker 1: that wrong. But I'm running into a lot better hunters

1919
01:41:54,240 --> 01:41:57,519
Speaker 1: on public than I used to, a lot more knowledgeable guys,

1920
01:41:58,760 --> 01:42:02,840
Speaker 1: guys doing it the right way, and uh um, some

1921
01:42:02,880 --> 01:42:07,160
Speaker 1: pretty cool hunters. Um, but they are infiltrating all the

1922
01:42:07,240 --> 01:42:10,200
Speaker 1: spots used to hunt. So I just I have to

1923
01:42:10,280 --> 01:42:13,000
Speaker 1: help my game and figure out that you're a little better.

1924
01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:18,280
Speaker 1: Can you describe an example of what that um less

1925
01:42:18,360 --> 01:42:21,799
Speaker 1: obvious spot might be. Like, let's say, like the obvious

1926
01:42:21,880 --> 01:42:24,400
Speaker 1: stuff is what we learned about in that first DVD,

1927
01:42:24,520 --> 01:42:27,040
Speaker 1: which is your your islands in a marsh or a

1928
01:42:27,160 --> 01:42:30,120
Speaker 1: point extending out into a marsh. Like everyone knows that now,

1929
01:42:30,640 --> 01:42:34,360
Speaker 1: so that's obvious to most guys or girls. What what

1930
01:42:34,479 --> 01:42:37,800
Speaker 1: would be the dan infalt pro move? And now maybe

1931
01:42:37,840 --> 01:42:40,000
Speaker 1: you don't want to give us away, Maybe maybe you

1932
01:42:40,000 --> 01:42:42,800
Speaker 1: need to hold this one back then, But what's like

1933
01:42:42,920 --> 01:42:46,080
Speaker 1: that off the beaten path adjustment? Now that's where you

1934
01:42:46,280 --> 01:42:50,600
Speaker 1: have to adjust to. Well. Um, there's still betting on

1935
01:42:50,680 --> 01:42:53,479
Speaker 1: the points, the islands, things like that, but they're betting

1936
01:42:53,520 --> 01:42:56,880
Speaker 1: on ones that aren't as obvious. You can't seem as

1937
01:42:56,920 --> 01:43:00,800
Speaker 1: well on a on a map. Um, Sometimes you gotta

1938
01:43:00,800 --> 01:43:03,599
Speaker 1: get your eyes on to really see what's going on. UM.

1939
01:43:03,920 --> 01:43:08,360
Speaker 1: Spots you find, um that you really can't see unless

1940
01:43:08,400 --> 01:43:10,120
Speaker 1: you walk them. So you go through there in winter,

1941
01:43:10,560 --> 01:43:15,040
Speaker 1: I've still not seeing many guys doing the winter scouting. Um.

1942
01:43:15,160 --> 01:43:17,920
Speaker 1: For how many guys I've seen out there on the

1943
01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:21,200
Speaker 1: island and stuff, it's it's pretty impressive, But I go

1944
01:43:21,240 --> 01:43:23,519
Speaker 1: out there and in winter spring I'm not seeing people.

1945
01:43:24,640 --> 01:43:27,960
Speaker 1: So people still aren't adapting in that manner very well.

1946
01:43:28,600 --> 01:43:32,280
Speaker 1: But they are hunting the obvious stuff that they didn't

1947
01:43:32,400 --> 01:43:35,880
Speaker 1: used to hunt. So putting some boots on the ground

1948
01:43:35,920 --> 01:43:39,960
Speaker 1: and really scouring those those transitions, I found a lot

1949
01:43:40,040 --> 01:43:46,280
Speaker 1: of really really good stuff that's like thick transitions with

1950
01:43:46,439 --> 01:43:50,439
Speaker 1: mixed um dogwood and tamaracks, stuff that slowly mix us

1951
01:43:50,439 --> 01:43:52,519
Speaker 1: into cattails and stuff. And there's a point but it's

1952
01:43:52,560 --> 01:43:54,840
Speaker 1: really hard to see when you get in there and

1953
01:43:54,920 --> 01:43:57,479
Speaker 1: you find this little hole that's perfect for a deer,

1954
01:43:57,560 --> 01:43:59,479
Speaker 1: but you really couldn't see it unless you walked inner

1955
01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:03,200
Speaker 1: and looked. But you know, and some of those spots,

1956
01:44:03,800 --> 01:44:06,960
Speaker 1: believe paid off a lot more nice I can. I

1957
01:44:07,000 --> 01:44:09,400
Speaker 1: can envision a spot just like that on a place

1958
01:44:09,479 --> 01:44:12,200
Speaker 1: I hunt that I've kind of discovered something similar. So

1959
01:44:12,280 --> 01:44:17,760
Speaker 1: it's interesting you say that. Um, okay, here's my last one. Dan,

1960
01:44:17,800 --> 01:44:20,839
Speaker 1: You've been a good sport. Thank you for for tackling

1961
01:44:20,880 --> 01:44:24,280
Speaker 1: all these these various ideas that I'm sending your way.

1962
01:44:24,760 --> 01:44:30,000
Speaker 1: But here's the last one. Um, I'm an asshole, and

1963
01:44:30,800 --> 01:44:33,519
Speaker 1: I am going to take away your hunting rights for

1964
01:44:33,840 --> 01:44:37,880
Speaker 1: all of the next ten years. Dan. You can't hunt

1965
01:44:37,920 --> 01:44:43,360
Speaker 1: at all for ten years unless unless this coming season.

1966
01:44:43,960 --> 01:44:46,320
Speaker 1: You're able to kill a four and a half year

1967
01:44:46,360 --> 01:44:48,880
Speaker 1: old er older buck, but I'm not gonna give you

1968
01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:51,920
Speaker 1: one day to do it. You've got one day to

1969
01:44:52,080 --> 01:44:54,720
Speaker 1: save the next ten years of your hunting life. What

1970
01:44:55,040 --> 01:44:57,960
Speaker 1: day are you going to choose for that very high

1971
01:44:58,000 --> 01:45:01,200
Speaker 1: stakes hunt? And then, with as much detail as you

1972
01:45:01,240 --> 01:45:06,200
Speaker 1: can possibly describe, describe the ideal spot you are going

1973
01:45:06,320 --> 01:45:09,479
Speaker 1: to hunt on that specific day to kill this buff

1974
01:45:09,520 --> 01:45:16,280
Speaker 1: that's gonna save your next ten years. Um, probably December one? Wow?

1975
01:45:17,120 --> 01:45:23,360
Speaker 1: And uh, probably I'm gonna hunt at a food source

1976
01:45:23,479 --> 01:45:28,120
Speaker 1: that I've been glassing. Interesting, I would have not have

1977
01:45:28,360 --> 01:45:32,679
Speaker 1: expected that late season. So okay, give me a little

1978
01:45:32,720 --> 01:45:35,799
Speaker 1: more detail on this. So you've been glassing of food source.

1979
01:45:35,880 --> 01:45:41,800
Speaker 1: It's super late season. Um, how are you setting up

1980
01:45:41,840 --> 01:45:44,040
Speaker 1: on this food source on December thirty one? You've been

1981
01:45:44,040 --> 01:45:49,400
Speaker 1: glassing so Um. What I found is the most patternable

1982
01:45:49,520 --> 01:45:54,280
Speaker 1: time to kill him mature bulk in daylight is right

1983
01:45:54,400 --> 01:45:56,880
Speaker 1: at the end of our season up here. If you're

1984
01:45:56,880 --> 01:45:59,360
Speaker 1: talking Wisconsin, I think it changes if you get to

1985
01:45:59,439 --> 01:46:03,080
Speaker 1: the south because of the warmer weather, but usually that

1986
01:46:03,360 --> 01:46:07,519
Speaker 1: coincid sides with us getting really cold, and usually right

1987
01:46:07,560 --> 01:46:10,640
Speaker 1: about the last week of the season here, it just

1988
01:46:10,880 --> 01:46:14,240
Speaker 1: really gets on fire and there's nobody else out there. Um,

1989
01:46:14,760 --> 01:46:20,479
Speaker 1: but it is um feast your famine. So you're either

1990
01:46:20,560 --> 01:46:26,080
Speaker 1: in the deer or not. But um, if you drive around,

1991
01:46:26,120 --> 01:46:28,320
Speaker 1: you you scout a lot, you go check a lot

1992
01:46:28,360 --> 01:46:31,559
Speaker 1: of spots. You'll find a spot or um a lot

1993
01:46:31,600 --> 01:46:33,840
Speaker 1: of deer kyrie and there'll be some big bucks in there.

1994
01:46:34,640 --> 01:46:38,599
Speaker 1: And it takes watching them from a distance to kind

1995
01:46:38,600 --> 01:46:43,960
Speaker 1: of pinpoint and then make a move. And uh Um.

1996
01:46:44,400 --> 01:46:47,519
Speaker 1: I haven't killed a ton of bucks doing that, mainly

1997
01:46:47,520 --> 01:46:49,479
Speaker 1: because I'm usually tagged out at that time of the year.

1998
01:46:49,760 --> 01:46:51,439
Speaker 1: But I put some of my friends on some really

1999
01:46:51,479 --> 01:46:54,040
Speaker 1: good ones and I have taken a few at that

2000
01:46:54,160 --> 01:46:57,280
Speaker 1: time frame and had a lot of fun. Triumph. Um.

2001
01:46:57,360 --> 01:47:01,160
Speaker 1: There are some downfalls, Like I can remember a couple

2002
01:47:01,200 --> 01:47:04,680
Speaker 1: of years back when I was onto a group of

2003
01:47:04,760 --> 01:47:08,800
Speaker 1: deer that were feeding in some dogwoods and they'd show

2004
01:47:08,880 --> 01:47:12,240
Speaker 1: up every night, and I was using a human access

2005
01:47:12,320 --> 01:47:13,680
Speaker 1: trail to get back here, and I climb up a

2006
01:47:13,720 --> 01:47:16,880
Speaker 1: tree dlo that access and people would walk that trail

2007
01:47:17,320 --> 01:47:19,840
Speaker 1: during the day and once or twice a week and

2008
01:47:19,960 --> 01:47:22,960
Speaker 1: deer were used to human scent on him and I

2009
01:47:23,000 --> 01:47:25,599
Speaker 1: would get in there and these boxes start coming out

2010
01:47:25,680 --> 01:47:30,040
Speaker 1: and there was there's at least three deer in the

2011
01:47:30,120 --> 01:47:33,800
Speaker 1: one sixties and uh one big ten point. I really

2012
01:47:33,800 --> 01:47:36,600
Speaker 1: wanted to shoot. And I finally got that deer rennerneath me,

2013
01:47:37,439 --> 01:47:39,479
Speaker 1: and he came walking right under the base in my

2014
01:47:39,600 --> 01:47:43,840
Speaker 1: tree and got out to about ten or eleven yards

2015
01:47:44,560 --> 01:47:47,800
Speaker 1: and turned quartern away and turned his head face and

2016
01:47:47,840 --> 01:47:50,120
Speaker 1: the other way as it drew, and like I got him.

2017
01:47:50,600 --> 01:47:52,280
Speaker 1: And right when I came to full draw, I heard

2018
01:47:52,280 --> 01:47:55,320
Speaker 1: a snort beside me and an eight pointer had spotted

2019
01:47:55,400 --> 01:47:58,080
Speaker 1: me in the tree, and as I squeezed the trigger,

2020
01:47:58,479 --> 01:48:02,519
Speaker 1: the tent pointer to run him. Luckily I completely missed

2021
01:48:02,560 --> 01:48:07,440
Speaker 1: them because because dropping the string. But that's the downfall

2022
01:48:07,800 --> 01:48:09,640
Speaker 1: is you have a lot of deer on you have

2023
01:48:09,680 --> 01:48:11,320
Speaker 1: a lot of eyes on you, there's no cover in

2024
01:48:11,360 --> 01:48:16,439
Speaker 1: the trees. Yeah, but it is probably the best time

2025
01:48:16,520 --> 01:48:19,080
Speaker 1: to shoot immature book is at the end of the season,

2026
01:48:19,600 --> 01:48:21,920
Speaker 1: and you can drive around during a car in any

2027
01:48:22,000 --> 01:48:24,240
Speaker 1: perk and lunter and and sole in the woods, especially

2028
01:48:24,240 --> 01:48:26,840
Speaker 1: if you gets done to like ten degrees. But man

2029
01:48:26,920 --> 01:48:30,840
Speaker 1: of the deer out, well, that is has a good answer.

2030
01:48:30,880 --> 01:48:32,560
Speaker 1: It is not what I was expecting. So I like

2031
01:48:32,640 --> 01:48:35,439
Speaker 1: a little surprise here at the end. Dan, it's good stuff. UM,

2032
01:48:36,520 --> 01:48:41,280
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. I appreciate you playing along with this idea.

2033
01:48:41,360 --> 01:48:43,479
Speaker 1: And I learned some new things here today about you,

2034
01:48:43,560 --> 01:48:48,000
Speaker 1: which which is cool. UM for people listening that want

2035
01:48:48,120 --> 01:48:50,840
Speaker 1: to get more from you, who want to see your

2036
01:48:50,920 --> 01:48:53,559
Speaker 1: videos or read your forum or FOLLO along with anything

2037
01:48:53,560 --> 01:48:56,120
Speaker 1: you've got going on or any of your different products

2038
01:48:56,160 --> 01:48:57,640
Speaker 1: and things like that. What do you want people to

2039
01:48:57,680 --> 01:49:01,240
Speaker 1: know about? Where should they go? I got a great

2040
01:49:01,920 --> 01:49:04,640
Speaker 1: YouTube page that's got some really good videos of the

2041
01:49:04,680 --> 01:49:09,280
Speaker 1: hunts that I do. Um. You can follow me on Facebook, UM,

2042
01:49:10,600 --> 01:49:14,479
Speaker 1: I tell some cool stories, or you can communicate with you.

2043
01:49:14,560 --> 01:49:20,880
Speaker 1: There have a website called uh dock the Hunting Beast

2044
01:49:20,960 --> 01:49:26,680
Speaker 1: dot com that's a foreign base. UM and uh I

2045
01:49:27,000 --> 01:49:29,960
Speaker 1: sell climbing sticks and I'm gonna have a lot of

2046
01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:33,120
Speaker 1: stock at the end of next month, the sticks that

2047
01:49:33,200 --> 01:49:36,680
Speaker 1: everybody's looking for. And what's the website to find the

2048
01:49:36,800 --> 01:49:44,599
Speaker 1: sticks Hunting Beast gear dot com. Perfect? All right, Dan,

2049
01:49:45,160 --> 01:49:49,559
Speaker 1: you passed the what would you do challenge with line colors?

2050
01:49:49,800 --> 01:49:53,040
Speaker 1: That's fun fun. Yeah, I'm glad you enjoyed. I enjoyed

2051
01:49:53,040 --> 01:49:55,240
Speaker 1: it too. So if we enjoyed it. That's all that matters, right,

2052
01:49:58,360 --> 01:50:00,840
Speaker 1: all right, Dan, Well, thank you and best of luck.

2053
01:50:00,880 --> 01:50:03,080
Speaker 1: I hope that you don't have one of those seasons

2054
01:50:03,120 --> 01:50:06,360
Speaker 1: where it's mid November and you're still trying favre out

2055
01:50:06,360 --> 01:50:12,080
Speaker 1: what to do? You know? Then ideal situation, you pounded

2056
01:50:12,160 --> 01:50:14,000
Speaker 1: all year and you shoot, you shoot your book on

2057
01:50:14,080 --> 01:50:16,920
Speaker 1: December thirty one and the last day. There is nothing

2058
01:50:17,000 --> 01:50:20,640
Speaker 1: sweeter than that. You're right, that is the uh, the

2059
01:50:20,720 --> 01:50:25,560
Speaker 1: slow build, that's the slow build. All right, Dan, this

2060
01:50:25,640 --> 01:50:29,559
Speaker 1: has been great, Thanks again, Okay, thank you, and that's

2061
01:50:29,600 --> 01:50:31,880
Speaker 1: gonna do it. I hope you guys enjoyed that one.

2062
01:50:32,400 --> 01:50:34,639
Speaker 1: Make sure check out all the rest of Dan's content

2063
01:50:34,720 --> 01:50:37,679
Speaker 1: across The Hunting Beast and elsewhere. And as I mentioned

2064
01:50:37,680 --> 01:50:40,600
Speaker 1: at the top, listen to the other episodes that we

2065
01:50:40,680 --> 01:50:43,120
Speaker 1: have a Dan in Fault. They're really good. They cover

2066
01:50:43,280 --> 01:50:46,599
Speaker 1: different ground in what we covered today and uh And honestly,

2067
01:50:46,640 --> 01:50:48,400
Speaker 1: even if you already listened to it, it might be

2068
01:50:48,520 --> 01:50:51,720
Speaker 1: worth re listening to. With this new information in your head,

2069
01:50:51,960 --> 01:50:53,760
Speaker 1: I think stuff will start to make more sense. So

2070
01:50:53,880 --> 01:50:56,920
Speaker 1: check it out. Search for Dan and fault. Um, he's

2071
01:50:57,000 --> 01:51:00,120
Speaker 1: he's been on a bunch. They're all great. So with

2072
01:51:00,280 --> 01:51:03,879
Speaker 1: that said, thanks for listening, good luck with your summer scouting,

2073
01:51:04,040 --> 01:51:05,960
Speaker 1: or if it's during the hunting season when you're listening

2074
01:51:05,960 --> 01:51:08,559
Speaker 1: to this, good luck with your hunting and until next time,

2075
01:51:09,320 --> 01:51:11,960
Speaker 1: stay wired to hunt.