WEBVTT - Episode 447: Who Goes First!? (Lisa Ann & Kya) 0:00:01.480 --> 0:00:02.920 What's up step service time manager? 0:00:02.960 --> 0:00:05.240 Like, yee, I'm Jazzmine Brand, I'm Kim. 0:00:05.120 --> 0:00:07.760 Osorio, I'm Lisa Am, I'm Kaya. 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:11.040 Okay. I like that. That was smooth. But welcome back, 0:00:11.119 --> 0:00:11.680 Lisa Ann. 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:13.000 Thank you for having me back. 0:00:13.039 --> 0:00:14.840 It's been a minute, I know, but you're a fan 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:17.560 favorite and you're one of our favorites too. Thank you, 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:19.599 and Kaya, we pop in your cherry today. 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:20.919 Yeah sounds good. 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:21.919 Yeah, I love it. 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:25.959 So let's get into well, let's talk with you Kaya, 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:29.360 and of course Kim Osorio is here guest hosting. 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:30.720 Jazmine Brand is here. 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:33.880 I would I like to call them and you too, Lisa, 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:37.360 and the three of you guys are like media moguls. 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:41.200 I would say, just from the experiences that you guys 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:43.479 have all had in the business. Me and Kim have 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:47.600 known each other for dannar thirty years. I want to say, that's. 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:48.920 Scary, and you're only thirty five. 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:50.360 So yeah, that was fine. 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:52.760 Yeah, I guess special. 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:54.840 No, but we've known each other forever and came up 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:58.560 in this business together. Former editor in chief of The Source. 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:00.360 I always like to say that. But TV doc and 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:03.120 now so you've seen a lot of her shows on 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:06.600 we TV on BT on v H one. What are 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:12.360 the networks I forgot okay. 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:13.319 Plus B plus we love to see it. 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:16.800 And Jasmine of course owns the Jasmine brand. And Lisa 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:20.520 and you have your podcast now too on Sirius XM. 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:24.319 So comedy show is on Sirius XM. Better Haves. My 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:28.480 podcast is still self produced, and I recently partnered with 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:31.080 a winery in Sicily to bring wine from Ciccily. 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:33.080 She don't play. 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:37.000 Okay, you need to leave a little earlier, and you 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:38.480 need to we should. 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:40.200 We should have ordered the wine in advance. 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:42.480 We coah, but you know what, we'll order it for 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:44.119 the next episode even if you're not here. 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:46.600 We'll shut it down to you guys once we get more. 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:49.800 And That's what I'm doing. 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:52.440 And Kaya, this is your first time, so let's get 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:54.080 into everything that you have going on. 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:56.400 Because my boy Amir hit me up and he was like, 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:57.360 y'all need to get Kaya. 0:01:57.400 --> 0:01:59.400 And before you came up here, now there was a 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:01.360 group of guys up here and they were like, oh 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:04.280 my god, you have a legend coming up and a 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:05.080 future legend. 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:10.600 Yeah, it's okay, listen. 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:14.920 You know I've been doing only fans. 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:20.079 Okay, probably four years now, going on five, and I've 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:23.880 been a top creator damn near since I began, and 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:30.840 I've just kind of like, you know, conquered the platform 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:34.359 in a way, you know, and I'm just trying to 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:37.799 figure out what's what's next, what's more, what else is there? 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:40.919 You know, only fans is addictive tale. 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:42.960 I saw her talking about how she was about to 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:46.080 lose her house and she went out only fans and 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:47.560 paid her whole entire. 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:51.280 Immediately, immediately, immediately. You know how amazing that is. 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:54.760 It's incredible, especially for somebody that we've all loved for 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:57.359 so many years and watched her in the Sopranos, And 0:02:57.639 --> 0:02:59.880 it's not easy to get more work in Hollywood. She's 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:03.840 had some smaller projects, but it's fantastic to see someone 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:06.200 be able to step in and utilize the platform like that. 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:08.760 So many people have. I feel like, so for you 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:09.440 to do, what to do? 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:13.600 Don't ever be like, you know, no, honestly, because even 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:16.480 brandon yourself to be one of the Tap creators, that's 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:17.880 not an easy thing to do because there are a 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:18.840 lot of people on there. 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:22.200 Yeah, but you know, I want to move on. 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:27.239 To Okay, to just other things, and it wasn't like, oh, 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:29.600 I want to be this porn star type. 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:31.200 Of thing, you know, Like. 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:37.040 I was literally I had twenty five dollars to my name, 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:40.320 twenty five dollars to my name, and I had a son, 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:45.160 a newborn baby, and he required special formula. 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:47.680 Soy formula, you know he was. 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:50.440 It was just it was a lot, and his father 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:54.880 wasn't really involved. Ok and so had I had to 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:57.440 make a way. I had to find a way, and 0:03:57.960 --> 0:03:59.800 it just worked out for the best. 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:02.000 When did you realize that was an option for you? 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:06.960 I started at fifteen, when I was fifteen years old. 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:08.680 You guys remember Vine? 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:12.160 Yeah, okay, so love Vine? Yeah? 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:14.680 Literally I hate it in a way in all my 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:17.880 videos I got because I had some amazing but it 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:18.599 was a thing. 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:19.520 It really was. 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:19.880 Yeah. 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:22.719 After that, I didn't trust none of these platforms. 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:26.679 I don't want to. You're like, they're trying to steal. 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:29.680 But you also back up on your content. Now, after 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:31.920 you lose everything on a platform, You're like, I'm not 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:33.760 doing that right on that. I will back it up 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:36.000 to my phone to make sure I have it close away, 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:36.440 you know. 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:38.560 And I'm tired of learning these new platforms. Okay, so 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:38.880 go ahead. 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:40.599 So back to fifteen Vine. 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:43.480 So I was fifteen and I had these millions of 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:47.680 followers and I'm like, huh, like you know, and I'm just, 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:48.840 you know, I'm just. 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:52.440 I'm just tworking in a pool and between I wasking 0:04:52.600 --> 0:04:55.080 that sounds like perverts, by the way, yeah for sure 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:57.559 if they're following you at fifteen, they were go ahead, okay, 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:00.200 you guys. 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:04.440 No we know, yeah, we can, we know at fifteen. 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:07.520 Honestly, that's scary. 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:11.120 To me, guy league NBOB. 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:14.400 Average kid is now accessing adult content between ten and eleven. 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:17.400 And though the one great thing about OnlyFans is actually 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:19.720 that is harder for a minor to log. 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:20.760 In because they got to have a credit. 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:24.359 They do, but you know, if young kids are accessing 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:27.360 it that young, then yeah, fifteen is almost older to 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:28.800 be twirking in a pool on Vine. 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:32.280 Yeah this was ten years ago, right ten years ago. 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:35.760 I started on Vine and had all these different people 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:38.200 messaging me and trying to figure out who I was 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:40.400 and trying to meet me and all these other, you know, 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:44.280 different types of things, and I was just like, I'm 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:47.240 not of age. I let them know, you know, from 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:51.599 the gate, I wasn't of age. But once Instagram came out, 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:54.680 you know, they had the fifteen second videos they first. 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:55.279 Dropped and everything. 0:05:56.200 --> 0:06:00.320 Yeah, listen, once Instagram dropped, you know, I post did 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:05.040 a longer vine, you know, and I blew up on Instagram. 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:06.359 How were you at that time? 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:09.560 Probably sixteen seventeen. 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:12.560 Okay, what was the video that popped on Instagram? 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:15.400 I had these American flag leggings on. 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:18.680 You guys, remember when all these different leggings were out 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:19.400 or they had like. 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:20.960 Different logos and stuff. 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:23.800 They look I still have some too. 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:25.480 Today you look at. 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:27.839 It and you're like, oh, that looks so cheap, and 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:30.200 you're like, why did I wear that? But back in 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:33.880 the day, that was the ship I hadn't ye, I 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:34.360 needed that. 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:36.280 I'm moving. I need to throw these away. 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:39.040 Because I feel like I could work out of them. 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:41.320 I'm sorry, but okay, they'll come back and STU. 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:45.320 But yeah, I had these American le leggings on, and 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:48.560 you know, I just I was I did a little 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:50.159 quick little you know, Shimi Shimi. 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:53.039 I think it was at the time. 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:58.479 I was moving from South Carolina and I was cool 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:01.120 with Speaker Knockers. If you guys don't know who that is, 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:05.760 he's kind of a big artist. Like even till this day, 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:08.160 they still play like his song, you know, sometimes here 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:10.239 and there, and I'm like, oh my god. 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:15.760 He's gone, like you know, he died. But I talked 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:17.520 to his song and it went up. 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:21.320 And I have all these people in my dms and everything, 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:24.880 and I was just getting all this different exposure at 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:26.840 such a young age. 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:29.400 And did your parents know you were doing this? 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:35.160 My mom found out I talked in the pool at 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:37.920 fifteen years old. We were living in like this. 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:42.240 Kind of like a mansion when I was like fifteen, like, 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:44.560 and we had like this nice ass pool and nice 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:45.040 hot tub. 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:46.560 I decided to get in there. 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:50.000 My cousin decided, you know, to record me when I 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:54.080 was doing a little twerk and she posted it and 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:56.200 I was like, oh my god, like this is crazy, 0:07:56.600 --> 0:08:00.160 Like people are really like feeding into this, you know, 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:04.360 and I decided to capitalize off of it, you get 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:08.680 what I'm saying. So after a while it just became 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:13.840 kind of normal. But I wasn't making money off of it, Okay, 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:17.400 I was just I was just posting just to be seen, 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:18.720 do you get what I'm saying. 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:23.000 Yeah, Plus you were only fifteen, you probably were And 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:24.920 also you were under age. 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:27.400 How do you monetize from you're fifteen? 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:28.560 You know exactly. 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:31.680 I didn't have management, I didn't have an assistant, I 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:33.119 didn't have any of these things. 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:37.440 Kind of illegal to mine size it might have been, 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:38.400 I don't know. 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:41.080 Because it also just seems so wrong, like what, who 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:43.520 are these people looking at a fifteen year old? 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:47.320 Isn't that considered child pornography? Like, well, it's not. 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:51.720 It's not because I wasn't naked, but I but I 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:56.320 was doing it's a little performance activity in a way. 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:58.200 Right, you were putting that out there in a way 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:01.760 that was not eighteen under right, Right. 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:06.600 So it was just all these different people from different 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:13.240 parts of the world, and they've successful people like guys, 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:17.720 no people literally famous people who I'm like, why would 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:22.200 they be messaging me? You know, like and but I'm 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:24.920 throwing ass on the internet at fifteen years old? 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:28.760 Crazy, Say what do you think about that? 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:31.640 It's not that abnormal now, you know, we see a 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:35.000 ton of girls the second they turned eighteen. Uh, they're 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:37.000 logging in, you know, they're baking. 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:41.320 For an example, baby eighteen, she weary, for an example, 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:41.920 bought a house. 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:44.240 So if you've already been in that baby and look 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:47.360 mentally now, you know, I just did a speaking engagement 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:49.440 at Temple and I spoke in front of a bunch 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:53.000 of students frend this Peorign literacy class gender ideology, And 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:56.040 what I learned was I didn't grow up with the internet. 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:59.080 So when I was ten and eleven, you either got 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:00.600 a basketball or a foot Well, you were really gonna 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:02.240 play catch with your neighbors or you're gonna go play 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:03.840 basketball with your brother these like this is what we 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:07.440 were doing. And I realized that the mind shifts so 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:10.560 much when at ten and eleven you're seeing adult content, 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:14.600 you're seeing Instagram. They just leapfrogged over that growing up stage. 0:10:14.679 --> 0:10:16.520 Like you know what, I'm almost made me sad because 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:18.200 I'm like, oh my gosh, the stuff that we did 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:21.439 that didn't matter. You could just take walks with your 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:24.120 friends when you were young teenagers because your parents would 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:26.640 let you do that. And maybe you'd sneak cigarettes like 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:29.840 that was that easy as we got, and you'd spritch 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:34.439 your hair cheap perfume. But like so it's not that abnormal. 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:37.360 It's actually very common for someone especially as beautiful as 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:40.560 she is. I'm sure when you were fifteen you didn't 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:43.559 look like a fifteen year old fifty year out like 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:45.079 fifteen year olds like they did. When I was a kid. 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:47.440 We didn't wear make up yet, I had fucked up teeth, 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:51.840 I had fucking mouthguard braces, all the fucking hideous. But 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:55.959 now and also they're dressing provocative younger, like, it's a 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:56.720 whole different world. 0:10:56.880 --> 0:10:58.600 There are hormones in the food. 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:01.840 Yep, they're seeing boobs like mine to school where they 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:04.559 measured your shorts and if they were above four inches, 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:06.560 they sent you home. Your parents had to come. 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:07.760 Pick you up. Yeah. 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:09.400 And even the stuff that you get to see on 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:13.840 television before back in the day, like you couldn't just 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:15.319 see you had to have skinemax. 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:20.680 You you know, I remember doing skinny movies. You loved 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:24.640 doing that. Yes, they were all written so poorly, they 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:26.679 were so cheesy, but they were so fun because you 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:29.079 got good money for them. They had craft services. We'd 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:34.120 hang out on settle Okay, they were such freaks about 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:36.439 what we were. They would hire adult stars a lot 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:38.280 of times to do them. But they wouldn't let you 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:40.400 walk in front of them nude because they were sag. 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:43.040 So you had like have like this patch taped onto 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:46.079 your hair and covery of a jay jeake all that. 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:48.920 We were all like, what's so weird you also and 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:51.280 then the blank stood up or maybe a bathing soup 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:53.920 bottom like it was, and you're still grinding with this guy. 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:54.800 It was almost weirder. 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:58.040 But I feel like that skin Max was for women, 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:02.440 right like it was a story, yeah, and you could 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:06.480 get into it, whereas like porn was for the men. 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:09.200 That's how I felt, right like back then shirt and 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:13.680 the access to porn. I feel like when I came up, 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:18.720 it was hard. You couldn't just watch actual v. It 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:22.320 was like a thing that you would do the house 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:23.240 with your friends. 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:27.200 Yees now discover every seven how. 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:31.240 The internet and my cousin were playing hide and seek 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:33.960 and you found some important takes. 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:34.439 Under the bed. 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:37.560 I decided to hide under the bed and there was 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:40.040 a there was a whole bunch of just different little tapes, 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:41.360 and me and my cousin were. 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:45.320 Like, oh my god, there's boobs, there's there's a vagina. 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:47.400 So they had the actual real covers on there. 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:47.720 Yeah. 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:50.560 Parents would take those covers out and put and just 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:50.880 you know. 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:51.360 No. 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:54.839 My uncle was actually like probably sixteen seventeen living in 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:58.000 my grandmo's grandmother's house, and so like we were playing 0:12:58.080 --> 0:12:59.079 hiding hide and seek. 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:01.160 I decided to hide the bed. I found it. I 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:03.920 was like, oh my god, cousin like, do you see this? 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:07.240 Like let's watch this, you know, and so we decided 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:09.120 to put it in the DVD player. We watched it. 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:11.600 My whole life changed. I was corrupted. 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:14.719 You think, so you. 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:17.000 Think porn corrupted? Like watching that at said to the 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:17.880 early age. 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:18.760 It definitely does. 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:21.880 It definitely does like it exposes you to things that 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:23.040 you've never. 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:25.400 It changes a part of the brain that has not 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:28.079 been opened yet. It really is a real Pandora's box 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:32.640 theory where once these images are shown, then there's this 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:35.640 curiosity that's now peaked, right, and now it's looking at 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:37.480 other things very differently. Where if you didn't see that 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:40.000 for another ten years, right like when I was growing up, 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:41.240 you wouldn't even have those. 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:43.199 Thoughts, you know what I mean? When's the first time 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:43.880 you seen porn? 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:44.160 Kim? 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:48.800 I feel like I was a teenager thirteen fourteen, and 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:51.800 it was like a slumber party and someone was like, 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:54.800 we're gonna watch a porn tonight, right right, Like it was. 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:58.360 A kind of wish like my uterie was preserved in 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:02.079 a way, you know, because that's like I wish I 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:03.959 would have seen it the first time when I was 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:05.319 a teenage, first. 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:08.400 Till I was eighteen, and the only thing we did 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:10.079 get a sneak a peek of was in my dad's 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:13.200 cedar closet. He had some magazines, but back in that day, 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:16.839 the magazines they didn't spread legs. The women have big 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:21.320 bushes ate seventies, late sixties, early seventies, and so it 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:22.880 was like you'd look at them and you'd be so 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:25.160 worried about stacking up in the exact order. 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:25.880 That you found them in. 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:29.280 Like it was more fun just touching them and then 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:31.600 putting them back and not getting caught in anything. But 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:34.240 it wasn't until I started working at a club and 0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:36.120 they had porn stars coming in every week, and I 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:38.920 would get a VHS from each girl, and then I'd 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:40.800 go home and I'd just watch it like I was 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:43.800 watching tape, you know, like because I knew that this 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:45.800 is where I was going to take my life, so 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:47.640 I would just study it for two years. 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:50.560 You knew that, like I said, So I knew. 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:53.160 Because I started dancing, and when I started dancing. I 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:56.560 realized the real money and the real opportunity was to 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:58.920 brand yourself and go out on the road feature dancing. 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:01.760 I also learned very early that it's hard to be 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:04.680 a local housegirl, a girl that works at the same 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:07.520 club every week, because you almost have to build these 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:10.320 relationships with people. And I was never good at that. 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:12.480 I was never good at the lying. You know, I'm 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:14.560 building this fake like I really like you. I don't. 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:17.720 That's like lie. I'm very manipulative, and I wouldn't buy 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:20.320 with it. But the features, they were just popular and 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:22.000 they get to bounce into a club for a week 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:25.240 or a weekend and lead back and they come and go, 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:27.160 and they are a limited time offer and they're getting 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:29.440 their flights paid. And I was like, I could see 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:31.960 the world and they were doing cool shit. So I 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:35.080 took two years and I interviewed every feature at El's 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:36.880 that would talk to me. Some of them would not 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:38.920 talk to me, some of them just don't. And I 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:40.920 learned once I went on the road how annoying. 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:41.320 That could be every week. 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:43.920 But I had a notebook, and I had all these 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:46.320 really important questions of things that I didn't and didn't 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:49.720 want to do from watching these movies and not being 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:53.120 as sexually experienced as you would think one would be. 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:55.680 I was a curious teenager and had sex in high school, 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:58.440 but I wasn't like they were right, and I clearly 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:00.000 saw things in those movies that I knew I would 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:00.760 not ready. 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:03.680 For right oh shit, right now. 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:06.120 And both of you are beautiful women to be in 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:09.520 the space like doing you know what, like you said, 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:10.160 but you're trying to. 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:10.880 Move out of this space. 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:12.960 Yeah, definitely, okay. 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:15.120 So what do you think is what where do you 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:16.160 see yourself going? 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:18.600 I don't want to be movies. 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:21.560 Lisa Ann is a perfect person for you to be 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:23.920 on here with today because I feel like Lisa Ann 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:27.400 has done such an amazing job of you know, doing 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:28.160 what you did but. 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:32.040 Then but people know that, but also just being really 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:34.920 intelligent and being able to move into the space of 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:39.280 like sports broadcasting and having your own podcast and producing. 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:43.360 I think that you can still you know, be proud 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:45.760 of who you are and what you've done, but then 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:47.440 also still do more. 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:48.240 You know. 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:51.000 I feel like if you can successfully do a gang bang, 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:54.360 you can do anything as well. If they put on 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:57.960 resumes successful at multiple gang. 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:02.000 Banks, did you have to mentally prepare yourself for that. 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:04.159 I really enjoyed it. I was. 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:07.680 What did you enjoy? 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:08.000 Like? 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:08.919 What part did. 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:12.560 I enjoyed the fact that I could live out of 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:15.720 fantasy on set in a safe place that I was 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:18.520 too afraid to do at home. So this day, I'm 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:21.480 afraid to bring a random guy into my space. What 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:24.959 if he gets creepy and it shows up unannounced? What 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:27.080 if he gets weird like? And what if I don't 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:28.080 like him? And I got to get him out of 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:30.320 my apartment? Like all these thoughts, I got to like 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:32.040 do things, and also I got to do it with 0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:36.080 men that if something awkward happened, they weren't going to 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:38.399 go tell their friends. This is their business. And it 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:41.480 happened to a girl as set and they're like, oh, 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:45.159 we've seen it all and they're attentive. So it was 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:47.840 a great like I grew. I went into that business 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:53.200 broken as fuck and came out hole you felt for you, Yeah, 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:55.879 I felt empowered. I took control of my financial future, 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:58.359 which was a big goal of mine. Traveled all these 0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:02.800 different countries. I learned about human nature. I understand why 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:05.400 people watch porn on all levels, and I understand that 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:08.320 there's nothing abnormal about it, as long as you're not 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:09.520