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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: the white Tail Woods, presented by First Light, creating proven

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Speaker 1: versatile hunting apparel for the stand saddler blind, First Light,

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Speaker 1: Go further, stay longer, and now your host Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyan, and today in the show, I'm joined by

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Speaker 1: Jared Van He's host of the Habitat podcast, to discuss

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Speaker 1: small property land improvements, soil conserving, food plot practices and more.

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Speaker 1: All Right, welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought

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Speaker 1: to you by First Light, and this week on the

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Speaker 1: show we are continuing Habitat Monk and joining me today

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Speaker 1: is Jared Van. He's he's the host of the Habitat podcast.

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Speaker 1: He's the co owner of Vitalized Seed. He's a land consultant,

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Speaker 1: and he is a real life practitioner of small property

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Speaker 1: land management strategies. He owns a fifteen acre property and

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Speaker 1: a seventy acre property, both in Michigan that he's been

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Speaker 1: building into these little white tail and wildlife mecca's while

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Speaker 1: you know, also having some really darn good hunting considering

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Speaker 1: the size of that, and I mean fifteen acres fifteen acres.

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Speaker 1: That's it, and he's loving it, and he's having success

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Speaker 1: and having fun. And you know, that's about as affordable

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Speaker 1: as a start as you could imagine when it comes to,

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Speaker 1: you know, getting a white tail property and doing stuff

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Speaker 1: with it, and it's working for him. So that's what

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Speaker 1: I'm really geeked about today is talking through you know,

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Speaker 1: these land management ideas that are applicable. I'd say for anyone,

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Speaker 1: you know, you don't need hundreds or thousands of acres,

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Speaker 1: you don't need big tractors, you don't need fancy equipment

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Speaker 1: to do any of the stuff you're gonna hear about today. UM.

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Speaker 1: And I find that empowering. I find that exciting for

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Speaker 1: a lot of us, you know, like me, maybe like you,

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Speaker 1: who don't have a bunch of land or fancy equipment.

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Speaker 1: So that said, Jared brings this this really helpful kind

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Speaker 1: of everyman's perspective, UM, and a lot of it insight,

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Speaker 1: you know, glean not just from his years of personal experience,

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Speaker 1: but also from the fact that you know, on his

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Speaker 1: podcast he's interviewing dozens and dozens of the best white

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Speaker 1: tail habitat gurus around. So with that in mind, today

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Speaker 1: I chat with Jared about the importance of creating dynamite

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Speaker 1: We talked about building better access routes and so you

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Speaker 1: know how key that is in these kinds of situations. UM.

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Speaker 1: We talked about a bunch of different screening ideas, how

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Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff, how to make dear feel

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Speaker 1: We discuss soil friendly food plotting, what the benefits of

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Speaker 1: or drill, uh, and a bunch of stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: So I enjoyed this chat. I really think you will

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Speaker 1: to UM. If you do, be sure to check out

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Speaker 1: the rest of Jared's work. He's a good guy and

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Speaker 1: a great resource. So without further ado, I say we

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Speaker 1: get into week two of Habitat month. Let's go all

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Speaker 1: right with me. On the line now is a fellow

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Speaker 1: Mr Gander, Mr Jared Van. He's Jared. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: joining me, Mark. Good to talk to you again, sir.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you having me on. UM. I want to

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Speaker 1: thank you. You know you've you've built quite the platform

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Speaker 1: here and I've been a long time listener. So well done,

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Speaker 1: and thank you, thanks man, I appreciate that. It's uh,

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Speaker 1: it's been cool to you know, get to spend a

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Speaker 1: little more time with you here in the more recent past.

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Speaker 1: You you're someone who I have like known of for

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Speaker 1: very interesting, um foundation to talk about these things you're

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Speaker 1: you're personal plus then like what you've consumed from all

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Speaker 1: So that said, you just told me before we start

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Speaker 1: I gotta know, are your habitat projects screwed? Like is

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Speaker 1: your whole plan for this year? Like capoot? Did you

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Speaker 1: Oh man, No, I'm I'm crying over here. I'm sitting

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Speaker 1: So I was trying to be a hot shot in

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Speaker 1: it's just inconvenience to do about anything. But what's what's

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Speaker 1: making our plans. But to your point, yes, I had

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Speaker 1: So one of the big things, Jared, I like about

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Speaker 1: it's it's totally worth doing. Um. My first property was

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Speaker 1: and really it's it's the juice is worth a squeeze

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Speaker 1: else I've let grown in or grow in thicken up.

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Speaker 1: Access proper access is always number one. You've talked about

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Speaker 1: I hold very true to that access. UM. I planned

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Speaker 1: Food is very very important. I feel like it's one

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Speaker 1: like was it? I guess I'm curious to hear, Like

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Speaker 1: How did you know? Did you have a timing to win? Like, hey,

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Speaker 1: I will burn burn some area by walking on it.

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Speaker 1: You've been trying to figure that out over the years.

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Speaker 1: I have three kids under nine years old and and

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Speaker 1: seven eight times, um list an hour and fifteen minutes

428
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: way too, so that weighs in. But it's uh, if

429
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 1: you do it right and your access is bulletproof, you

430
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: can hunt it times. You know, you just really have

431
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:24,959
Speaker 1: to pay attention and and it depends how your property

432
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,919
Speaker 1: sets up. You have the cover where they feel safe,

433
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,120
Speaker 1: you have the food is your win not blowing in there? Ever,

434
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: if you're if you're diligent and detailed about it, the

435
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,719
Speaker 1: more you can hunt, in my opinion, Yeah, So what

436
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 1: else is important to do? Like? What other projects have

437
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 1: you done on the property that are particularly important because

438
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 1: of this small scale to allow you to keep hunting,

439
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,479
Speaker 1: Like you talked about some of the stuff you did

440
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 1: to try to add cover back. I imagine that was

441
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 1: part of it. What kind of things like that. Are

442
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 1: you doing to to make sure that this place can

443
00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 1: can handle some hunting and still hold year and still

444
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: make dear feel safe even though it's a small size

445
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 1: of ground we're talking. Yeah. Number one would be do

446
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: not let your wind blow into that parcel zero. I

447
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 1: know sometimes you have to give the wind to a

448
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,119
Speaker 1: big buck, and I've done that and I get that,

449
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 1: but if you want to hunt it more then less.

450
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 1: Don't let your wind blow into the parcel really, ever,

451
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 1: if you can help it. I know nothing's perfect. I

452
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 1: don't walk into the parcel. I use a lot of

453
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: cellular cameras. I know there's there's um some morality conversations

454
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,880
Speaker 1: going on with those lately, and I get it. At

455
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: my point is I don't want to walk fifty seventy

456
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: five yards out into my property and leave my sn

457
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: That's that's a no no, no matter what um. And

458
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: then I guess some some tools of the trade that

459
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: I love to use would be max scrapes. Those have

460
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 1: been cut popular the last five years or so. I've

461
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 1: been using those religiously forever. And I don't go make

462
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: like fifty of them, but I'll make a dozen or so,

463
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 1: and and really put a dripper on it and a

464
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: camera on it, and let them tell me the story

465
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: in those scrapes. Is that is the the benefit of

466
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: them is just to get the photos? Or are you

467
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 1: adding those scrapes because you think that's making more bucks

468
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 1: want to hang out in season checking those and they're

469
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: spending more time in daylight hitting those and that kind

470
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 1: of thing. I think the ladder or both, really, buddy,

471
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: I think, um, the max scrapes will tell you a

472
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: picture or tell you or paint the picture for you

473
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 1: when daylight is there, you know, daylight movement. So I

474
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: use them for that and when I should hunt. But

475
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: more importantly, the social aspect get these bucks feeling like,

476
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 1: all right, well here's my night tonight. I'm gonna travel

477
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: here and hit these four and the scent and checked

478
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 1: this betting area and and repeat the next day or

479
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 1: the day after. Right. So I'm more intrigued and relying

480
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: on the social aspect of it. And I think a

481
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 1: lot of small property owners need to be doing that

482
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 1: at every tree stand location. I have wanted every stand location.

483
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: What's your mocks grape kind of process? What all I mean?

484
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 1: There's a lot of a lot of different approaches to it.

485
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: Some people just use us out there. Some people will

486
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: bring in a rope or a different stick from somewhere

487
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 1: else or anything like that. What's your style. Sure, yeah,

488
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: you can use a vine or whatever else. Right, there's

489
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: a lot of different stuff out there. I like to

490
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: take a white oak branch and cut it while it's

491
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: green and hang that dangling dial with some zip tized

492
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,959
Speaker 1: or pair of cord um that is licking branch, and

493
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: it hangs down, you know, pretty far, a lot of

494
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 1: leaves on it. My thought is the more matter up

495
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 1: there to catch scent and hold scent um, the better

496
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 1: off it will be. And maybe it's overkilled, but that's

497
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,479
Speaker 1: what I do. And they love, you know, walk down

498
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 1: the field edge and don't you know and look for

499
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: the oaks that have overhanging branches. They're all hit. So

500
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 1: why why go crazy and add something foreign? You know,

501
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 1: Let's use what what mother nature is already using. So

502
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 1: that that's what I do for my looking branch. I

503
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 1: will hit the ground with the rake. I've used herbicide

504
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: to clear that ground. I make that ground extremely obvious,

505
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 1: like I'll do a five or six ft circle. And

506
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: again it could be overkill. But to me, you're opening

507
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: up that much more ground scent, the smell of dirt,

508
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: et cetera. It's visual now at this point. And then

509
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: I like to use um in combination with all that.

510
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: You can just do that and let the dear takeover.

511
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: But I like to start out with something some synthetics

512
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: two to start, and I don't go back and touch

513
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: it ever, I don't go back and refill. I don't

514
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,479
Speaker 1: do anything I do. I said it, and forget it

515
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: really and then monitor from afar the cameras or from

516
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: tree stands, etcetera. All right, so I feel like I'm

517
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: accruing a set of small property rules here or guidelines

518
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: on when you're hunting it. Make sure you have that,

519
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: or make sure from the get go you established a

520
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: bomb access like make sure you've got very smart access plans,

521
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: and then create the routes you know, cut them brush

522
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: hog and whatever, so you have a quiet, easy access

523
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: route in from a safe wind perspective. Never blow your

524
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: wind into the quarry of property hunted carefully and sparingly.

525
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: Only when those things are right established mock scrapes throughout

526
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: to you know, have those social hot spots. UM. Let's

527
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: talk about cover, because you mentioned that one of your

528
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: big mistakes is removing too much cover. So you start

529
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: with fifteen acres, you took out three acres of it,

530
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: so you're left with twelve acres of some kind of cover,

531
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: three acres open. Now you've added an acre and a

532
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: half or more back to that. And I think i've

533
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: heard you talk about other things you've done to improve

534
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: the cover that you did have. Can you talk about

535
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: how you've created cover from nothing and how also you've

536
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: improved the cover that you already had. You know, are

537
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: you one of those guys who you know follows the

538
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: I don't know, like the Jake Elinger approach or Jim

539
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: Browker with like hinge cutting like crazy and just like

540
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: tons and tons of these hell holes? Or are you

541
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: taking a more broad strokes t s I approach to everything?

542
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: Like what's you know? You've been able to talk to

543
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: all these different people. What have you chosen to do

544
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: on your own? You know, twelve thirteen acres a cover

545
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: working there? Yeah? Great, great question with multiple answers. I'd

546
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: say that the back eight acre Woods I called it

547
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: um I had that it was logged probably two years

548
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: but before I bought it and I had it logged

549
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: again like three years later, and so in the laggers

550
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: were all like, Okay, your trees aren't quite big enough

551
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: to cut yet. If you just wait, you'll have more

552
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: value in these trees later on. That wasn't really my goal.

553
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: My goal was to create a better deer habitat now

554
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: not and how much money you're really going to make

555
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: off of eight acres of of you know, sparing sparing

556
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: oaks a lot more than I than I did, probably,

557
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: But so I had that cut as soon as I

558
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: could get back in there and and learned and realized

559
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: what I was missing. I had that cut. And that

560
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: probably happened in twenty nineteen or that's grown up to

561
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: be nice and things. So that was my t S

562
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:48,239
Speaker 1: I approach that that was letting the sunlight come in

563
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: so full, full eight acres kind of select logging. It

564
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: sounds like across the board making an eight acre slad

565
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: timber with better understory. Is that accurate? Yes? If you've

566
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: ever seen a picture of an oak savannah, or if

567
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: somebody googles oaks savannah, it's like sparing oaks excuse me randomly,

568
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: you know, or space out if you will. Planted pretty

569
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: far apart, so they can they can do well, and

570
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: then the rest of the ground gets hit with sunlight

571
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: everywhere else and nothing above five foot is really beneficial

572
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: to a deer unless it's dropping acorns. Um. So I

573
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: really was trying to put the percent of what's left

574
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: back into that five ft or under range. So that's

575
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: that's what we did there. We cut it hard. Um.

576
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: I didn't make very much money, but I also didn't

577
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: have to do it and put my safety at risk

578
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: um time. So so everybody kind of one and the

579
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: deer one to now that being a little bit of

580
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: a lower land back there, a little bit of wetlanded,

581
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: it's taking longer to regenerate than I'd like, but it's regenerating,

582
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: and the deer are responding to it, um, and then

583
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: moving up to the the front half of the property,

584
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: if you will. I've I've done it at all. I've

585
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: hinge cut a bunch. I believe in hinge cutting. I've

586
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: seen it. I've been on Jake's farm, I've been on

587
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: my friend Allan's farm. I've been on these farms where

588
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: these guys cut hard, and I'm talking hard, they cut

589
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: hard like tornado. It looks like a tornado came through. Yeah,

590
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: there's nothing left standing, really like there's nothing left. Unless

591
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: you see that firsthand, you're not You don't understand how

592
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: hard how hard you need to cut, Including me, I

593
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: didn't know, but where I think hinge cutting is extremely beneficial,

594
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: especially in the Midwest and the North. Um, it's a

595
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: tool in your tool belt. People think because I'm pro

596
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: hinge cutting that and I made a bumper sticker one time,

597
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: like a pro hinge cut bumper sticker is pretty funny

598
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: kind of as a joke. But it's just a tool

599
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: in our tool belt. We don't recommend you go in

600
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: a hinge cut your forty acre woods. I don't do that. Um,

601
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: it's more of it's very situational. What I after six

602
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: years of doing this on the property, my recommendation is

603
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: to get a forrester in their first explain your goals.

604
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: What are your goals? You want to grow timber, you

605
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: want to go dear, a little bit of both out

606
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: of our class with a a little bit of both, and

607
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: how do you how do you address that. The more

608
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: you go for timber, the less it's going to be

609
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: beneficial for deer or wildlife in general. So now I

610
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: t s I first with a Forrester select cut. I

611
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: tend to go heavy if I can, and then come

612
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:43,240
Speaker 1: in with the hinge cutting architecture or just felling more

613
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,280
Speaker 1: more junk trees. Either way, get them on the ground,

614
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: get the sunlight to the forest floor. That's rule number one. Um,

615
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: I hinge cut for along my access where I parked

616
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: my truck. You can't walk from the woods to my

617
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: truck in a certain area because of like the tornadoes created.

618
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: But that hides me, you know, it allows me to

619
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: park and and get in there. Um. I think's got

620
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: some betting areas in the fifteen and the deer betting

621
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 1: in them. So it's it's I'm kind of a all

622
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: around guy at this point when it comes to which

623
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: type of timber tool you want to use. And you

624
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: also think I've heard you talk about doing some some

625
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: grass stuff, right. Have you done some switch grass out

626
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: there somewhere too? Oh? Yes, you mentioned that, it's part

627
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: of the question. Yes, I've planted some cave and rock

628
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: switch grass and three different spots. One of them was

629
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: to hide my access walking in. I frost seeded that

630
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: that was pretty good. I don't I don't want a

631
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,800
Speaker 1: no tell drill or or UM. I have an h

632
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,879
Speaker 1: TV and some tools and i'll have a tractor here

633
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: finally soon. But I don't own the no chill, so

634
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: I broadcast and frost seed, and that was for access.

635
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 1: That's working great. Now I'm hiding one of my deer

636
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 1: my tower blinds with some nice switch that's coming in.

637
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: And but the main thing that I did was out

638
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: in the middle of the food plots where I talked

639
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: about replacing that cover that I that I brush hugged down.

640
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: Now that I've practiced with an annual screen for two

641
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: or three years and knowing I can divert the deer

642
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: enough to come by my tree stand location at twenty

643
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: three yards, now I've replaced that annual screen with a

644
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: perennial screen being switch grass. So now what I'm doing

645
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: is I'm taking that that task of having to get

646
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: out there and plant every late night early June and

647
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 1: hoping my screen comes into something that's established. Um. That's

648
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: kind of a cool project where I'm using it more

649
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: for diverting than betting. On this fifteen they kind of

650
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 1: already bet where they bed. It's hard to force them

651
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: to bed in new spots um with with switch grass

652
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: if you're not dealing with a big open field or

653
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah, so what's the note till approach

654
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: that you took with that switch How did you apply

655
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: herbicide the fall before or something and then frost seed

656
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: or or how did you handle that competition? Yeah, you

657
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: nailed it. Um, I sacrificed the fall before by having

658
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 1: this big dead brown spot out in front of me.

659
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 1: It was that like a I'm sorry sorry to interrupt,

660
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: but like when when exactly did you spray? Was that

661
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: like a round up spray in in August preseason or

662
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: did you actually have to apply it like in hunting season?

663
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: And did that freak you out? I did both. I did.

664
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: I did to sprays to make sure it was good

665
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: and dead, and um yeah, it always it always freaks

666
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 1: me out. I'm pretty anal about it. And it didn't.

667
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: It didn't hurt anything. I don't think if you say

668
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 1: in your equipment and you're quick about it, but you know,

669
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 1: I just I don't want to be in there if

670
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: I don't have to be during those times. So yeah,

671
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: I sprayed with herb side twice. Got it very nice

672
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:08,919
Speaker 1: and death and I'll seated at and then the next

673
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: year I hit it with simazine early on, which is

674
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: a pre emergent helps keep anything else from coming up

675
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: and establishing before your switch German eates and and and

676
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: comes up and then um, I mode once it hits

677
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: that second So switch grass will split when it's growing.

678
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: Once it hit that second splitter, that second or third

679
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 1: leaf if you want to call it that are blade,

680
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: then I'll mowe it. And that tends to take out

681
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: a lot of the weedy growth broad leaf competition in there.

682
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: Now and now, I mean it's it's looking good. I'm impressed.

683
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,439
Speaker 1: You just have switch grass. You just have to give

684
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: it time. And I know everybody's impatient, at least I am.

685
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: And you want things to be done now and and yesterday,

686
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: and switch grass, don't give up on it. Keep at

687
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: it and you know it'll you'll you'll reap the rewards there. Yeah,

688
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 1: So year one, what kind of growth was there? Probably

689
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: three ft? Okay? And then by year two was it

690
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: five six something like that or yeah it was five?

691
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: Last year was year two was five. So I'm pretty

692
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 1: excited to see what it will be this year. Um yeah,

693
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: I'm I'm hoping that what it'll do. I'm just still

694
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: going to travel through it. But if I can give

695
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: them a path of least resistance that goes around it

696
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 1: and a nice big mark scrape there right at the

697
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 1: tip of this funnel. And oh, by the way, my

698
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: tree stands, you know, like I said, just within bow

699
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: range of their I'm hoping that'll pull them up. And

700
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: it's worked in the past. So that's kind of my

701
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: thought process there. Yeah, that sounds pretty nice. Uh So,

702
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: speaking of screening cover then and that kind of thing. Um,

703
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: what are the other screening techniques or you know, blocking

704
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: techniques that you've you've used outside you switch because you

705
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: mentioned switches like the long term excuse me, but you've

706
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: you've used some annuals to get you by in the past. Otherwise,

707
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: is that Egyptian wheat or sorghum? What are you doing? Yeah?

708
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: Great questions. So a lot of companies, you know, everybody

709
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: can find their their favorite food plot company and and

710
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 1: find a screening next. Usually that's what I was using

711
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: with a local one here in Michigan. Um, and that

712
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: was a mix of sorghum, Egyptian wet some other stuff

713
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: in there. Ah, I should probably know more what was

714
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: really in there, but I didn't really look I planned

715
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 1: it and it worked great. But the main stuff with

716
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: sorgum in Egyptian wheat, and so what that would do,

717
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: that would be twelve ft high um each year, I'd

718
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 1: planned about six to eight foot wide, and and that

719
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: would be more of a screen for the deer to

720
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: kind of funnel them. Now, if I'm screening myself, at

721
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: least i'm this property, you can use those same types

722
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: of screens. My friend in Illinois he plants the same

723
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: stuff and we walked behind it to hunt on his

724
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:09,720
Speaker 1: wide open terrain. But what I did on the fifteen,

725
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: since I didn't really have a bunch of wide open fields,

726
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: had more more trees. I would end up hinge cutting

727
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: along there and felling trees along. They're letting that sunlight

728
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: come in and just thicken it right the heck up

729
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: with with briars and you know, early successional growth and

730
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: that works as a great screen too. So just kind

731
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: of I've kind of done both of those. I've also

732
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: planted Muscantus. That's a touchy subject depending on who you're

733
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: talking about. We're talking to um gigantism. Scantus is a

734
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: rhizome based plant that you can plant in the ground

735
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 1: one time and that grows after, you know, to three years,

736
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: six to twelve fifteen ft tall and kind of um,

737
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: so we're I'm looking for here. It kind of propagates

738
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 1: itself underground and it starts to bread and fill in

739
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,280
Speaker 1: a little bit. But that's a that's a great screen.

740
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: It's a little more of an initial investment. And some

741
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: folks are are claiming that there's a invasive risk to it. Um,

742
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: and that's that's above my pay grade. But I've used

743
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: it and it's effective. It's just another way to do it.

744
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: Hybrid willows would be a fourth way. Hybrid or stream

745
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: co willows. You get those and cuttings or propagate yourself

746
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: in the basement over the wintertime when you're bored, and

747
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: you can plant those in some wet feet areas. Those

748
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: can become a nice wall of cover. Um. Do you

749
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: like to rub on them and and bust them off?

750
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: And so it's there are multiple ways you can do it,

751
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: and I've done I've done all those. Okay, So let

752
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: me paint a picture of a scenario I'm faced with.

753
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: I've used Egyptian wheat in the past and it works awesome,

754
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,919
Speaker 1: and it has screen some plots that I have one

755
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: in particular that's within view of the road and asent

756
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: to a big open field, and so screening was was

757
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: really important. Um. The thing with that is that, as

758
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: I understood it, it's important to plant it when it's

759
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: warm enough. So I don't always been told you gotta

760
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: wait till late May early June ish somewhere in that

761
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 1: ballparked to planet, otherwise you know you can't do it.

762
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: And so I did that. But then starting I don't know,

763
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: some number of years ago, I started living and I've

764
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: got a weird situation. But I go out west for

765
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: the summer, and so I'm not home in late May

766
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 1: early June anymore to to plant this stuff. So now

767
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: I'm trying to fare is there any other screen I

768
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: can get out there that I could be planting at

769
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: the end of April or or otherwise, to somehow get

770
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 1: some kind of screening cover out there in these places,

771
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 1: you know, without having to wait till the middle of

772
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: the summer when I'm gone. And I thought about mscanthus um,

773
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 1: but I don't know if I don't I haven't looked

774
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,439
Speaker 1: further than far enough into it to know if that's

775
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 1: something you can plant earlier in the year or not.

776
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: If I could plan it late in the summer, you know,

777
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: and plan on coming in the next spring and actually growing,

778
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 1: um is mscant That would mscantus work given that limitation

779
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: I have with time? Or is switch you know, planning

780
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: switch really the only way I could get away with

781
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: something that's always going to be there and doesn't require

782
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: me planning in June? Um? Or Am I an idiot?

783
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: And I could be planning Egyptian week April and and

784
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:28,240
Speaker 1: get away with it? Do you know? That's a great question.

785
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: I know you wanna wait till the soil temperatures um

786
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: up in that you know, high fifties sixty to remark

787
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: for for that annual Egyptian we type stuff, or in

788
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: that that general general time frame um mscantus. I normally

789
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: plan around that same time. I have to double check

790
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: what the exact date is. I don't know why you

791
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: couldn't plan it earlier or even you know, in the

792
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: fall or another time possibly, But how long are you

793
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: going to be at this certain area? Four? Is this

794
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: a long term gig? You mean? Like when I gone

795
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: for the summer or like the property that I'm hunting, Like,

796
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: how long do I plan on continuing to hunt there?

797
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: The ladder? Uh? I hope for a long time. Well,

798
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: then I'd probably go with UM, a combination of like

799
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: Swiss grass in Norway spruce. So the spruce over time,

800
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: we'll grow up, you know, over more more time than

801
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,879
Speaker 1: we want to wait again, I know, but that will

802
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: be a great screen along roads. UM that that you

803
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: plant once? Now hybrid willow. UM. There's a guy that

804
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,399
Speaker 1: I know in southern Michigan. He has a really nice

805
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: hybrid willow screen along his road. And I planted four

806
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: or five of them behind my house to block my

807
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: neighbor's house four or five years ago. They're thirty ft tall,

808
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: and you can and you can copass them and cut

809
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: them off at you know, the three footmark, and they'll

810
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: just bush out and be a very nice screen. The

811
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: loser leaves in the fall. So there's that. UM. So

812
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: if you do a combination of something that's more permanent,

813
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 1: more perennial, UM, that's gonna solve your issue of hey,

814
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: I'm not around at this certain time a year plus.

815
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: Those annual screens suck up so much nitrogen out of

816
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: the soil every year that eventually, if you're not replacing

817
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: that nitrogen, you're gonna be you know, you're gonna have

818
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,879
Speaker 1: lower and lower returns on your on your planting. If

819
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 1: that makes sense. Yeah, it does. What's the process with

820
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,720
Speaker 1: those hybrid willows and how quickly did those establish? Um?

821
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: I've never messed with willows at all. Is that literally

822
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: a steak that you're just sticking in the ground and

823
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: then it just starts going? Is that what I'm thinking

824
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: of or something different? No, that's right. Um. I've learned

825
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 1: though that if you're in a wetter area, which I'm

826
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: not sure which spot you're talking about, but I know

827
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: you have a certain wet area that this is the

828
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: this is the Yeah, okay, well then they're they're gonna

829
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 1: do great there. Um. I've tubed them so that deer

830
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: don't at them off as you're trying to get established.

831
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: And yeah, there are the steaks or the cuttings. You

832
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: can come into my house or I'll bring it some

833
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: cut them. You cut them in a make sure the

834
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: directions right, you know, over the top and the bottom

835
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: are But you take a big branch and cut it

836
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: into five steaks, and you can put them in a

837
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: jar of water with some rooting hormone first, or you

838
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: stick them in the wet ground. Um, I've done both,

839
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: and yeah, they if you can get them potted first.

840
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: Anything that you can get potted from my experience, whether

841
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 1: it's a a bear root tree, pine tree versus a

842
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 1: potted pine tree or a willow that I can get

843
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,959
Speaker 1: going in a pot first, you're gonna have a better

844
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 1: success rate. But it's more time up front. So there's

845
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: really a bunch of different ways you can do it.

846
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: But those things and the wet shouldn't be pretty prolific

847
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: in a short amount of time. So how you know

848
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: to to visually provide some kind of visual barrier, you know,

849
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: up to let's say five ft tall, give or take.

850
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: Is that a two year thing maybe, or what's that's

851
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: the timeline to get that kind of growth out of

852
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: something like that? Yeah, those those will get five foot

853
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: and one to two years. Yes, interesting, we should definitely

854
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: talk about that because that might be you know, I

855
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: don't even need I don't need a very long row

856
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 1: of that kind of thing. I just kind of need

857
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 1: one like I don't know, even like forty yards of

858
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: it would would give me the main area block that

859
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: I want. Um, something like that might be the trick. Um.

860
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 1: So yeah, interesting, especially if we can go add some

861
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: add some depth to it, right like one, if you

862
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: think about one line of pine trees, that's a pretty

863
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: good screen. You can kind of see through it here

864
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: and there. If you have four rows, it's a totally

865
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: different conversation. So the same thing with this area. If

866
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,879
Speaker 1: we have some more freedom to go more in depth,

867
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 1: more deeper versus length, that's gonna be who of you

868
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 1: even more. Yeah, that's a cool idea. I like that. Um. Okay,

869
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: So screening, I think is another key thing that could

870
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: really help you on a small property like we're talking about,

871
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: because it's going to provide that visual cover from neighbors

872
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 1: or roads, but also of your access. So that's that's

873
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: a big thing on our our set of small property

874
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 1: foundational ideas here. Um, we talked about your cover ideas,

875
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: you know, doing the hinging, doing some serious cutting, bringing

876
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 1: in a forest, or figuring all that kind of stuff out. Um,

877
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: we haven't really talked about food, but people love talking

878
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: about food and it's hard not to get excited about

879
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 1: it on in your experience on a small property this

880
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:40,399
Speaker 1: fifteen or or maybe on the projects you've worked with,

881
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: you know, consulting for people, or on your seventy acre piece.

882
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: You know, how much food? And I know that this

883
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 1: is situation and location dependent, but if you had to

884
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: give me a ballpark idea, how much food do you

885
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 1: need to make a difference, you know, to actually to

886
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 1: get started and be like, okay, this is this is

887
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: enough to actually change your property in a positive way.

888
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: You know, do we need to do we need an

889
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: acre to or is an eighth of an acre or

890
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: half an acre still enough in your mind to you know,

891
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: start moving things in the right direction. I guess I'm

892
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: thinking here from a starting point, what's our minimum viable product?

893
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 1: So how about how about the infamous answer it depends. Yeah,

894
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: that doesn't get anybody anywhere, but as it really does. Um,

895
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:35,280
Speaker 1: but if I had to generalize, do what you can do?

896
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: Get started? I mean, if you can do an eighth

897
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: of an ancre a quarter acre um and it's in

898
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: the right location. You know you mentioned with the screening

899
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: quick before we switch gears, keep people from driving down

900
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,760
Speaker 1: the road looking into your farm. Make sure they cannot

901
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 1: do that. That's very important. Your deal will not come

902
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: out on the daylight, at least the ones that we're targeting.

903
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: So for food, again, it has to be in the

904
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: right location. Can people see it from the road? Um

905
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: that's a huge no no. So where do you have

906
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: the room to do it? How much space you know

907
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 1: is your property allowing you to get started? Make sure

908
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: you can access it if you can't get to or

909
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: you have to walk through your food plot to hunt

910
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: the tree, stand behind it, start over, or don't plan

911
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 1: a food plot there? Um, all all things that that

912
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 1: we see and that and that folks do because it's

913
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:29,240
Speaker 1: easier to do it where there might be a preferred opening.

914
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: But in general, if you can get again and deer

915
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: population comes into this too, dear density, but if you

916
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: can get a quarter raker started or an eighth of

917
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: the akre started, do it start there? Um. You know

918
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 1: the cliche thing is what time per cent of a

919
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 1: property and food plots? I've I've heard a lot of

920
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: people say that's great. I haven't reached that level yet.

921
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 1: Um too much. Maybe I'm close, but you know I

922
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 1: don't have wide open fields to that allowed me to

923
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 1: to do it in large numbers, So I would just

924
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,879
Speaker 1: urge you to try it and get started and make

925
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:10,399
Speaker 1: sure you're growing good quality stuff because then you're gonna

926
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: see the biggest bang for your buck and your time spent. Yeah.

927
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: So what's what's your take then these days on what

928
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: that high quality stuff is? I mean, how do you

929
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 1: there's all right, You've heard a thousand different takes from

930
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 1: people on what you should plant your food plots. You've

931
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: experienced experimented with a bunch of different things. We've we've

932
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 1: all heard the you gotta buy this thing, or you

933
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 1: gotta buy this thing, or you need to plant this,

934
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 1: you need to plant that. There's there's more opinions on

935
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,879
Speaker 1: food plots than there are stars in the sky. Um.

936
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,879
Speaker 1: But but where have you landed as far as your

937
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: philosophy on how you choose what you want to plant? Um?

938
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 1: Can you? Can you give me some background into your thinking?

939
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: They're like, how you got to this point and then

940
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: what you personally choose to to to put out there

941
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: in the world, both for people to to use themselves

942
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 1: and to plant yourself. Yeah, and I yeah, thank you

943
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: for allowing me to go into the back story, because

944
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 1: I kind of explained how I got here. I was

945
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: just gonna ask you that. Um, it first started with

946
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: getting a disk and working up the dirt and spreading out. Um,

947
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: you know buck on the bag style food plot mixed

948
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,760
Speaker 1: from company A, B or C. We all have them.

949
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:23,760
Speaker 1: Every local store has something. Um, that's where I started,

950
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: and we're good. Um. Initially the soil had not been

951
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 1: planted before. It was a cattle pass yere many years

952
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: before that. There was some nutrients in the ground. Well,

953
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 1: mission we have pretty sandy soil that drains out nutrients quickly,

954
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 1: gets depleted quickly. And uh, it's not that Iowa rich

955
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 1: black dirt. It was some parts we have it, but

956
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: not for the majority. No, So I started that way.

957
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: And again time has always time and efficiency is always

958
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: important to me. I always, uh try to try to

959
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: be most efficient, spending most time my family as I

960
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: can while they're young and everything else. So I'm always

961
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: trying to get stuff done with one fell swooper or

962
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: you know, one one afternoon instead of four. So you know,

963
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: back with the disking, I have to go out there

964
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: and have to spray two weeks ahead of time, go

965
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: out there and spray again. Then you come back and

966
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: disk it planted, and then you hope for rain. Your

967
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 1: soil is exposed. Um, I've had I think two or

968
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: three drought years, at least two drought years in the

969
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 1: past five seasons that I've been through. Well, I interviewed

970
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: some people way back when on the podcast that you

971
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: could plant food plots without working the ground up at all.

972
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:44,839
Speaker 1: Spray and pray, throw and whatever you want to call it.

973
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: You spray with her beside. You'd plant small seeds, you know,

974
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: Brasica's clovers, etcetera, prior to a rain, and you let

975
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: that rain drive the seeds down into the soil and

976
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 1: that dead dachelaar acts as you know, you planting the

977
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 1: seed or baring the seed. Once I saw that starting

978
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 1: to work, I stopped using a disk um, you know,

979
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 1: for I could do all of it. One day. I

980
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 1: could spray and broadcast my seed and drive home. I

981
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 1: started doing that about four years ago. And you know

982
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:22,359
Speaker 1: that's it's it's not quote unquote like perfect no till,

983
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 1: but it's it's kind of my hillbilly not till, and

984
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: it works great. Um, you have to up your seed

985
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 1: right a little bit and etcetera. But the principles are there, right,

986
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: the soil health principles are there of minimal ground disturbance.

987
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: I haven't just my food plots in four years. Um,

988
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: so you're helping build some of that organic matter and

989
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 1: nutrients back into this that very sandy soil I mentioned.

990
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 1: And my time was cut in half, my trips were

991
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: cut in half, gas money cut in half, if not

992
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 1: into thirds. Um. So let's let's making sense to me, right,

993
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: and the deer still there. And so I did that

994
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 1: for up until last sheer with the same sort of

995
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: mixes that you can buy at the big box stores,

996
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:08,879
Speaker 1: local sporting and stores. And then I mean, and Mark,

997
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: what helped me? What helps solidify me in this no

998
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: till disturbance? Your podcast you did with Dr Grant Woods, Um,

999
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 1: I think it was to seventy nine. You did a

1000
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:23,399
Speaker 1: few of them with him, But when I heard that one,

1001
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: he made it so simple stupid to me that I

1002
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 1: was like, what am I doing? And ever since then

1003
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: I've listened to podcast two or three times, um, and

1004
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 1: I follow all his stuff anyways, but ever since then,

1005
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 1: he just made it seem so just easy to do

1006
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 1: and the right thing to do. So that was kind

1007
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 1: of the first toe in the water towards diversity and

1008
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 1: no till planting for me. And then I did kind

1009
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 1: of like I said that, he'll building no tell for

1010
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: a while. Um. And then a good friend of mine,

1011
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 1: a long time listener of our podcast. He's been on

1012
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 1: a bunch of times. We call him a soil guy

1013
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,839
Speaker 1: because he's he's like Mark Drewy is mad scientists when

1014
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,280
Speaker 1: it comes to your hunting. He's like that about soil health.

1015
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 1: Um and and I'm not I I know enough to

1016
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 1: be dangerous, but I'm not. I'm not near as as

1017
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 1: uh well versed in it as as als. So he's

1018
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: been playing some mixes, some very diverse mixes, you know,

1019
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 1: ten seed mixed, ten seeds in a mix, twelve seeds,

1020
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: sixteen way mixes the past five six years, just like

1021
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 1: Grant talks about and etcetera, to to try to get

1022
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 1: that diversity back into the food plot program. Still no till,

1023
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: and and just kind of kind of simplified. He was

1024
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 1: making his own mixes. Um, having a lot of luck

1025
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: in southern Ohio. And he's been a friend of mine

1026
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: for for years now. Well, we we went to the

1027
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 1: table and um, my good buddy who I was working

1028
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 1: with food plasts in our podcasts for a long time

1029
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 1: passed away from covid Um, so we were kind of

1030
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: at a loss and they didn't want to keep moving

1031
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: with that company in terms of partnership of our podcast, etcetera.

1032
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 1: So it kind of came down to what are we

1033
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: gonna do here? We love to plant blasts. We decided

1034
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: to two come together and come up with some simple

1035
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 1: mixes for folks like me who just want to be quick,

1036
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 1: be effective, be efficient at a good cost, and get

1037
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: it done. So that's where Vitalized Seed was born, and

1038
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 1: that's where I'm at now. These mixes are extremely diverse.

1039
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 1: Uh you know, let's see, I think the spring mixes

1040
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 1: thirteen different plant types and the fall mixes sixteen different

1041
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 1: plant types. So that just kind of took my no

1042
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 1: till story, um, the spray and prey into even the

1043
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 1: next level. Well, now you're doing this with clover, cero,

1044
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: cero grains Ambraska's all mixed together. Um, And that's all

1045
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: been kind of my story for the past six years

1046
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 1: of where I started and where I'm at now now

1047
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 1: being fully diverse plant mixes one in the spring, one

1048
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 1: in the fall, highly attractive in diverse to white tails,

1049
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 1: and all promoting soil health, nutrient cycling, less fertilizer, less serbicide. Yeah,

1050
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 1: that's awesome. So you you stop the tiling. So now

1051
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 1: you're not disturbing the soil. You're not you know, losing

1052
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 1: moisture from your soil. You're not encouraging further erosion of

1053
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: the soil. You're not destroying the biological life that's within

1054
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 1: that soil. Um, and instead you're building organic material on

1055
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 1: top that is then you know, becoming part of that soil.

1056
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: You've better fiel water filtration. Now, Um, you have new

1057
00:59:56,680 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 1: and and encouraged additional growth of bio apology and all

1058
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 1: those little microbes within the soil to give that soil

1059
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 1: the power and the punch it needs to grow stuff. Um.

1060
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 1: So that all makes a lot of sense. You you know,

1061
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: then move to this diverse planting. Now, can you describe

1062
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 1: for me a little bit more wide diversity is a

1063
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 1: good thing for our food plots and for for getting

1064
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 1: stuff there on the ground, because there's you know, a

1065
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 1: lot of talk about this. There's some people who say, man,

1066
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 1: you shouldn't plant blends because you know, you're never gonna

1067
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 1: do it at the right time for any one of

1068
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 1: those things, or you're not gonna get any one of

1069
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 1: these plantings quite right. Um, But then there's this whole

1070
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 1: other suite of reasons why the blends are a good idea.

1071
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 1: What's your take on that? What? What what makes diversity

1072
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 1: a good thing when it comes to food plots? And

1073
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 1: how does it help both from a hunting standpoint and

1074
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 1: from a you know, soil health or food quality standpoint? Yeah,

1075
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 1: I mean you really know your stuff? Um, are you

1076
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 1: available for higher? I mean you you said all the

1077
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 1: nails on the head, and I'm just gonna agree with

1078
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 1: with what you're saying honestly. I mean for those who

1079
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 1: say you can't plant mixes together, a diverse mix together,

1080
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 1: I would I would disagree because I've done it and

1081
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 1: seen it. I get there point where maybe, okay, you're

1082
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 1: not hitting the one time percent most optimal optimal time

1083
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 1: for this seed or this seed or this seed. But

1084
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 1: like like my goals, I'm trying to be efficient and

1085
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:35,919
Speaker 1: simple and and as effective as I can. So we've

1086
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 1: we've planned these highly diverse mixes and they work and

1087
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 1: all the scenes grow and it's it's not quite a

1088
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 1: bit of a red alarms as some people say. Um,

1089
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 1: the reason for doing that though why we like it.

1090
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 1: So in the spring we call it the nitro boost

1091
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 1: next to plant nitrogen. Right, so the atmosphere is like

1092
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 1: almost nitrogen in the air that we breathe. Our lungs

1093
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 1: are able to filter the O two the oxygen out

1094
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 1: of that and and et cetera. But air is the

1095
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 1: majority percent in nitrogen. Well all the a lot of

1096
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 1: the plants in our spring mix legumes can take that

1097
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 1: nitrogen from the air, push it through their there's their

1098
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 1: system into the roots and have root expedition. We have

1099
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 1: a picture of sun hemp plant that literally pulled it

1100
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 1: out of the ground and you look and there's little

1101
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 1: white balls on the roots that look just like the

1102
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 1: double zero nitrogen palace you buy attract or supply um So,

1103
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 1: I mean, we're seeing it happen. And the other reason

1104
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 1: for the diversities because well, now you have sun ham

1105
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 1: fRoots that might go down six inches, you have sunflower

1106
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 1: roots that go down further. You have certain clovers that

1107
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 1: are shallow where what we're doing is we're taking nutrients

1108
01:02:55,280 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 1: from the top two three four ft of the soil

1109
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:05,000
Speaker 1: a column and that plant is pulling them all together

1110
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 1: into one plant. When you terminate that spring mix, all

1111
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 1: those nutrients are right there on top of the soil,

1112
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 1: not four ft down, not in the air above you,

1113
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 1: but right they're ready to be used. That's why we

1114
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 1: do diversity in this in our mixes, in the spring mix.

1115
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 1: So what the spring mix does is its cycles all

1116
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 1: the nutrients, heavy on putting nitrogen into the ground, which

1117
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 1: is free fertilizer um from all these different levels, and

1118
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 1: when you terminate it for the fall planting, it's all

1119
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 1: readily available right there. Over time, I mean like it

1120
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:43,680
Speaker 1: doesn't break down overnight and you can't use it exactly

1121
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 1: the next day. But our system is more of a

1122
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 1: year after year it gets better and better. Um. Now,

1123
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 1: in the fall the carbon load plant carbon. That's what

1124
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:57,920
Speaker 1: plants feed on, right, the sugars, the carbohydrates UM so

1125
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 1: the natro boost the nitrogen is feeding the fall plant

1126
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 1: that you planted and helping that grow for free. And

1127
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 1: then in turn that big diversity of Clover's Brassica's cereal

1128
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 1: grains in the fall sixteen way mix is doing the

1129
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:17,479
Speaker 1: same thing. You're grabbing nutrients from three or four ft down,

1130
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 1: You're you're keeping all of this at the right level

1131
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 1: in the soil the top six inches. And when spring

1132
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:30,920
Speaker 1: comes along again and your fall plant has been terminated, Um,

1133
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 1: it's all dead carbon laying there. It's like the corn.

1134
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 1: They disks the cornback into the ground. It's hiding carbon.

1135
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 1: They dis get back in it feeds the soil. UM.

1136
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 1: That's what we're doing. We're doing no till. All those

1137
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 1: cars that fall carbon mix place right into what the

1138
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 1: spring nitro mix wants to wants to feet off of again.

1139
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 1: So it's a cycle, and it's how Mother nature does it.

1140
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 1: And it's diverse in the way that it grabs nutrients

1141
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:58,479
Speaker 1: and cycles them throughout the year. And what that means

1142
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 1: for animals. They understand nutrient density. They'll walk through a

1143
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 1: soybean field I've heard, I've heard and seeing some of

1144
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 1: where they'll pick certain leaves off certain plants. Um. Maybe

1145
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 1: they'll walk by your food plot to eat the golden

1146
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:15,440
Speaker 1: rod that's on the side of your food plot. They

1147
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 1: can tell, you know, the selective browsers. They can tell

1148
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 1: what has the best nutrients and what tastes the best. UM.

1149
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 1: A metaphor we always hear about is the fruit plantings.

1150
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 1: You know, oranges and apples and whatnot. Don't have the

1151
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 1: nutrients they used to know that. You might still have

1152
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 1: a bigger, larger orange, but it doesn't contain the same

1153
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 1: amount of nutrients it did twenty years ago. Um, that's

1154
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 1: nutrient density of the plant itself, and it tastes different.

1155
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 1: So do you know that. And they're getting more nutrients

1156
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 1: out of each plant. They're getting their minerals out of

1157
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 1: the out of these plants. You can't I can't put

1158
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 1: minerals out in Michigan anymore. So this is another way

1159
01:05:53,880 --> 01:06:00,200
Speaker 1: where we can help everything really um and just find

1160
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 1: what works for you. Now, if some of those seeds

1161
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 1: and those diverse mixes don't come up right away attempt

1162
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 1: you know, maybe get a cold front or something happens

1163
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 1: or a drought, you know, some will pop up right

1164
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 1: away and then some of the other ones might fill

1165
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 1: in later. Like some clovers don't establish as fast as

1166
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 1: say a sorghum or um our buckwheat right, buckwhet is

1167
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:23,120
Speaker 1: an easy one to talk about. So, but what you

1168
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 1: have now in the column, you have food, Like in

1169
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 1: our fall, I think we have three different types of

1170
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 1: beans of eagle beans in there, um regular soybeans. We

1171
01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 1: had an American joint vetch and lab lab for the

1172
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 1: boys down south and like what but what you have

1173
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:40,440
Speaker 1: now is you have food from four ft in the

1174
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 1: air all the way down to the clovers and the

1175
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 1: vetch that's right in the bottom floor where a braska

1176
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 1: or like a soybean field. You know, once those leaves

1177
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:55,360
Speaker 1: fall off, you have some beans in there, or corn,

1178
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:58,160
Speaker 1: for instance, you have a copper corn. But we're filling

1179
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 1: in that that gap with all food. The sunlight is

1180
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:05,440
Speaker 1: penetrating through all of that, and now we have a

1181
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 1: more mass of plant matter with every square foot. Yeah, yeah,

1182
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:15,960
Speaker 1: it's it's interesting you mentioned, you know, how it'll different

1183
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,760
Speaker 1: things will start growing at different speeds in different times.

1184
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 1: It made me think just how diversity, in addition to

1185
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 1: what you said, also provides a really nice insurance policy

1186
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 1: for bad conditions or for you know, any number of

1187
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 1: things that can go wrong with the food plot. If

1188
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 1: you plant all one thing, if you plant a monoculture,

1189
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:37,160
Speaker 1: it's either boom or bust. Right, you either did it

1190
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 1: perfect with the perfect soil conditions for that plant type

1191
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 1: and the perfect you know rain, you know timing, and

1192
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 1: the perfect nitrogen content or whatever it is pH level, YadA, YadA, YadA, Um,

1193
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 1: so you might nail it or it might just be

1194
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 1: a complete failure on the side of diversity. You know,

1195
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 1: you can get away with things maybe not being just

1196
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 1: right for one of those because you've got fifteen other

1197
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:04,840
Speaker 1: things that you know have a chance of succeeding. So

1198
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 1: you're gonna have something work. Maybe maybe twelve out of

1199
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 1: the fifteen work great, and you get three that aren't

1200
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 1: don't turn out as well in your conditions, but you've

1201
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 1: got something altogether there that's gonna going to work and

1202
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:21,640
Speaker 1: going to provide some level of benefit and attraction. And

1203
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 1: I love the idea of having something that is attractive

1204
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:27,639
Speaker 1: throughout the entire season. Um. I've had I've done food

1205
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:30,559
Speaker 1: plots in the past where I was doing mono cultures

1206
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:33,040
Speaker 1: and it was like, all right, man, this food plot

1207
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 1: is gonna be banging from opening day till the beginning

1208
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:39,760
Speaker 1: of November. But then it's kind of slowing down and

1209
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:42,360
Speaker 1: by late season ats toast like it's just not going

1210
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 1: to be attractive because of what I chose to place there.

1211
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 1: And then I'd have another food plot that would be

1212
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 1: like my late season spot. Um, but you know that

1213
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 1: there's you know, I guess there's reasons to do that maybe,

1214
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:58,759
Speaker 1: but I have found better success now with these diverse

1215
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:00,720
Speaker 1: blends that I've used the last I don't know, three

1216
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:05,679
Speaker 1: four years, be because I get attraction from the very

1217
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 1: first day of the season to the very end of

1218
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 1: the season and beyond, because you know something within that

1219
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:13,560
Speaker 1: blend is attractive. So I've got you know, three or

1220
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 1: four things that are attractive early, three four things in

1221
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:18,800
Speaker 1: there that attractive mid season, three or four different things

1222
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 1: that are attractive at the end. And so dear now

1223
01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 1: form this pattern and this behavior where they just know, hey,

1224
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 1: year round, I know there's something good there. So I'm

1225
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:30,040
Speaker 1: gonna have this back and forth, back and forth, back

1226
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:33,280
Speaker 1: and forth thing that doesn't ever have to change. And

1227
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:36,360
Speaker 1: that's very beneficial obviously. Then from a hunting standpoint, so

1228
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:39,880
Speaker 1: you've got you know, the nutritional component and then the

1229
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 1: hunting pattern and component. Um, not to mention the soil

1230
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:45,840
Speaker 1: health stuff, which, like you said, great podcast we did

1231
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:49,240
Speaker 1: with grant Um. I've read a lot on I've tested

1232
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:50,960
Speaker 1: some of those things first in the back forty and

1233
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:52,479
Speaker 1: now I've been doing it more and more on my

1234
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:56,080
Speaker 1: other local pieces, and it's um, it makes a lot

1235
01:09:56,160 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 1: of sense to basically work with Mother nature to enjoy

1236
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 1: the benefits of natural fertilizer and you know, natural water conservation,

1237
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:09,120
Speaker 1: all this kind of stuff, rather than pumping in chemical

1238
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 1: synthesized substitutes that cost a lot of money, especially these days. Man,

1239
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:15,960
Speaker 1: I bought a little bit of fertile as the last

1240
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:18,720
Speaker 1: year and that stuff is expensive now, I mean, like

1241
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 1: crazy how much it roseen costs. So you know, going

1242
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 1: this route, you know, regardless of what blend do you use. UM,

1243
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:30,559
Speaker 1: I think diverse and trying to apply these different notel

1244
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:34,519
Speaker 1: ideas just as U. It's a it's better for the earth,

1245
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:36,639
Speaker 1: it's better for the soil, it's better for the deer,

1246
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 1: it's better for your wallet. I it's hard to argue

1247
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 1: with it from everything I've been seeing and learning. UM

1248
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:46,000
Speaker 1: that I do have a question for you, rather than

1249
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 1: me ranting about why I like it. Oh you just

1250
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 1: you just wrap that up very nicely and hit the

1251
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:55,680
Speaker 1: spots that I missed. Um. If there's one thing I

1252
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 1: can add quick mark there, you know, get going back

1253
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:02,800
Speaker 1: to the six soil health principles. You know, you want

1254
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:05,559
Speaker 1: to keep a living root in the ground at all

1255
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 1: times for for the microbes in the soil if your

1256
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:11,840
Speaker 1: if your beans are done, there's nothing going on in

1257
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 1: that soil till you're planting next year. Um And like

1258
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:19,960
Speaker 1: do you know that your soil knows that? So you

1259
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 1: know that the fact that it's not amount of culture

1260
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:25,400
Speaker 1: um drought resistant. You get a warm day in December,

1261
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,320
Speaker 1: that rise is going to start popping again, or even

1262
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:31,800
Speaker 1: January in certain southern Ohio that that rye and that

1263
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:33,880
Speaker 1: we in the mix and whatever it makes you use

1264
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:36,400
Speaker 1: is gonna start popping again. It's made to do that.

1265
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 1: Um So Yeah, and I mean pretty much whatever it

1266
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 1: makes you use or mix your own diversity is extremely helpful.

1267
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:46,599
Speaker 1: We've just we've gone through it with the seed mills

1268
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:48,559
Speaker 1: where you walk in there and they look at you

1269
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:50,280
Speaker 1: like you're crazy. You want to do what you want

1270
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 1: to buy and mix all this No, we don't have this.

1271
01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:56,519
Speaker 1: Then you gotta buy fifty pounds awry and then you're

1272
01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 1: starting to have all this extra seed line around. We

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01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:01,720
Speaker 1: just pretty much try to button all that up and

1274
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:07,799
Speaker 1: simplify it. Yeah. Um so the spring and fall plantings,

1275
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 1: so the spring late summer plantings, how would you recommend

1276
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:16,280
Speaker 1: someone go about doing that? As far as like the

1277
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:19,760
Speaker 1: best food or best. You know, there's a number of

1278
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 1: different ways to do this kind of thing, right, you

1279
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:24,120
Speaker 1: could use a drill, you can do the hill billy

1280
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:28,400
Speaker 1: approach you took, and there's different ways to terminate. Um

1281
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 1: and and I guess I'm basically what I'm looking for

1282
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:33,639
Speaker 1: here is could you walk me through your recommended process

1283
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:36,800
Speaker 1: for how you go about planting your spring planting and

1284
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:40,160
Speaker 1: then if you should terminate, how you terminate, and then

1285
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:42,519
Speaker 1: how you go about it in the fall planting. How

1286
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 1: you recommend doing that? Um and uh and yeah, I

1287
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:49,280
Speaker 1: guess I'll let you run with that. Yeah, great question.

1288
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:51,800
Speaker 1: There's there's a multitude of ways you can do this,

1289
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:56,600
Speaker 1: depending on what equipment you have. UM, I would I

1290
01:12:56,600 --> 01:13:00,559
Speaker 1: would urge people to start with a clean slate. You know,

1291
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:03,640
Speaker 1: don't don't go out in your your pasture and just

1292
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:08,120
Speaker 1: start broadcasting onto a thatched layer of grass. You're not

1293
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:11,880
Speaker 1: gonna win. Um. You know, so I I would recommend

1294
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:15,280
Speaker 1: or I start with an herbicide treatment and or even

1295
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:18,400
Speaker 1: tillage for for day one. Now, this is just to

1296
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:21,840
Speaker 1: get a clean slate. I have no problem with that.

1297
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:25,720
Speaker 1: We're just trying to minimize soil discerbants over time. And

1298
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:28,160
Speaker 1: herbside use over time, not saying we never use them,

1299
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:31,519
Speaker 1: but if we can decrease that, the more the merrier.

1300
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:34,800
Speaker 1: So a clean slate in the spring or the fall

1301
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 1: is how I like to start. Um, So what then

1302
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 1: I would do? There's multiple ways you can plant. If

1303
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:45,400
Speaker 1: you have a no til drill, God bless you. I'm jealous.

1304
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:48,520
Speaker 1: That's awesome. I hope to have one some day. Um,

1305
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:51,000
Speaker 1: that's gonna be your probably number one way to get

1306
01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 1: the best seed to soil contact. And we have like

1307
01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 1: an average depth that we use for the mixes, so

1308
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:01,559
Speaker 1: you're getting a little bit of everything. That's one way

1309
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:04,000
Speaker 1: to do it. A friend of mine uses a two

1310
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:07,320
Speaker 1: real corn planter, you know the kind that you run

1311
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 1: through disc to ground, and you know John Deere Alice Chambers.

1312
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 1: You can use those. Um. It might not be the

1313
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:15,280
Speaker 1: most effective way, but I've seen it done and it

1314
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:18,240
Speaker 1: does work. How I normally do it would be just

1315
01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 1: a broadcast method. So I would spray the ground and

1316
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:24,759
Speaker 1: or till it, or just get get myself a fresh

1317
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:27,920
Speaker 1: clean start at the very beginning of my system. I'm

1318
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:31,439
Speaker 1: about to commit for the next five years. UM, and

1319
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:34,519
Speaker 1: I broadcast and I went right Sorry, what time of

1320
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:37,280
Speaker 1: year is this, Jared, that you would start this spring planning?

1321
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:40,519
Speaker 1: Great question mark. We like to wait till the soil

1322
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 1: attempts between fifty five and sixty. I'm a little bit

1323
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 1: more on the fifty seven fifty eight to sixty degree range.

1324
01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:51,320
Speaker 1: So depending on what that is, could be may up

1325
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:53,400
Speaker 1: here in our neck of the woods late May, early June.

1326
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:57,120
Speaker 1: But that's where we wanted to be. I mean there's

1327
01:14:57,479 --> 01:15:02,040
Speaker 1: there's you know, soybeans, sunflowers, ego beans, that sort of

1328
01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:04,040
Speaker 1: thing in these mixes. We want to make sure that

1329
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 1: you're not you're not putting it in the ground at

1330
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:12,040
Speaker 1: the wrong time. So better about that sixty degree tent mark.

1331
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:19,000
Speaker 1: And then I broadcast I add about extra seed per

1332
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:21,840
Speaker 1: acre than if I were to drill it um. You

1333
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 1: can even go fIF um if if you have a

1334
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 1: good price seed and you're not playing out the wazoo

1335
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:31,559
Speaker 1: for it, you can afford to do a little more.

1336
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 1: It's not gonna hurt you. I'd like tend to do

1337
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:39,320
Speaker 1: usually more on So what I do is I'll broadcast

1338
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:43,280
Speaker 1: that and I will call to pack it in. Now,

1339
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:46,520
Speaker 1: if you're on your two or three of this system,

1340
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:52,679
Speaker 1: you're gonna have rye et cetera. Popping up from your

1341
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:55,599
Speaker 1: fall plot from the season before. You're going to have that.

1342
01:15:56,680 --> 01:16:01,360
Speaker 1: You know, shoots of growth may from the fall plot.

1343
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:02,800
Speaker 1: You're not gonna have a clean slate. So what you

1344
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:08,799
Speaker 1: do then as you broadcast or drill into that live

1345
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:13,800
Speaker 1: standing vegetation and you terminate that vegetation over top of

1346
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 1: the seeds you just spread. Now, they're multiple ways of terminate.

1347
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:21,480
Speaker 1: You can use a brush hog, you can use herbicide,

1348
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 1: you can use a roller crimper, you can use a

1349
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:27,720
Speaker 1: lot more um one that's not talked about enough as

1350
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:30,760
Speaker 1: a flail more. It's an attachment for a tractor that

1351
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 1: that's meant for more heavier duty brush than a brush hog.

1352
01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:38,479
Speaker 1: But if you notice beud a brush hoog, sometimes you

1353
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:40,240
Speaker 1: get like a wind row or the thatched kind of

1354
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 1: all piles up in the middle or off to one side.

1355
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:45,200
Speaker 1: The flail mower will cut it a lot more even,

1356
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:48,400
Speaker 1: giving you more even coverage over the seas you just

1357
01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:51,880
Speaker 1: threw down. So that's that's a tip there, that and

1358
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:54,519
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't really really talk about. So

1359
01:16:55,680 --> 01:17:01,080
Speaker 1: plant terminate over top. Now, any any more questions on

1360
01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:03,599
Speaker 1: the spring Next before we shift gears, I do one

1361
01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:08,000
Speaker 1: last question, um, just in case somebody is is well,

1362
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:11,559
Speaker 1: two things I guess One the big benefit to doing

1363
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:13,920
Speaker 1: the spring planting correct me if I'm wrong, But by

1364
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:17,400
Speaker 1: doing the spring planting, you are essentially this is a

1365
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:22,439
Speaker 1: way to fertilize and prepare for your fall hunting plots.

1366
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:24,680
Speaker 1: But you're doing it in a way that you know

1367
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:28,880
Speaker 1: isn't pumping synthetic fertilizes into the ground. It's not costing

1368
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:31,680
Speaker 1: you as much from that perspective, and you're building the

1369
01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:34,799
Speaker 1: soil content. And as a bonus, you are now adding

1370
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:38,040
Speaker 1: high quality food for all sorts of wildlife for an

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01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:41,920
Speaker 1: additional three months of the year. Um, to then build

1372
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:44,840
Speaker 1: into your fall hunting plot. Is am I right on?

1373
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:47,559
Speaker 1: Like a cliff notes version of the benefits of doing

1374
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:50,680
Speaker 1: the spring planting, It is that right yep. And I

1375
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:52,920
Speaker 1: would go as too far say as you would are

1376
01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:56,120
Speaker 1: you're also suppressing weeds at that time as well for

1377
01:17:56,160 --> 01:18:01,280
Speaker 1: all summer long, which again relates to lower side use. Okay, cool.

1378
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:04,439
Speaker 1: So then the second question would be, um, if if

1379
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:07,680
Speaker 1: we're trying to build a spring mix ourselves, if we're

1380
01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:10,040
Speaker 1: just trying to d I, y, what are the like

1381
01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:13,960
Speaker 1: just foundational like types of you know, do give me

1382
01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:18,439
Speaker 1: a high level broad strokes idea of what kind of

1383
01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:20,240
Speaker 1: stuff I should try to include if I'm d I

1384
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:24,800
Speaker 1: Y in this myself. Yeah, So, what's what can be

1385
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:29,640
Speaker 1: unique is trying to get the carbon to nitrogen ratios

1386
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:33,479
Speaker 1: perfect between the spring and fall planning. That's what that's

1387
01:18:33,479 --> 01:18:36,040
Speaker 1: what we tend to do this kind of our niche. Um.

1388
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:37,960
Speaker 1: But if you're going in there, you know a lot

1389
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:42,640
Speaker 1: of guys will plant rye and buckwheed um, sunflowers, some

1390
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:47,120
Speaker 1: clover's lagoons right. Any legum will put nitrogen into the ground.

1391
01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:51,880
Speaker 1: Beans um will help prepare for the fall planting. There's

1392
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:56,160
Speaker 1: a bunch of different soil soil building mixes you could

1393
01:18:56,160 --> 01:19:00,439
Speaker 1: call them out there. Um, So, just just to understand

1394
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:04,400
Speaker 1: that spring food plots can be harder and more challenging

1395
01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:06,640
Speaker 1: the fall food plots based on what you're dealing with

1396
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:09,080
Speaker 1: the summer, you may or may not get rained. Um.

1397
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:12,439
Speaker 1: You might have some more weeds in there, warm season

1398
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:16,160
Speaker 1: type plants because you're not planting in the fall, and

1399
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:19,559
Speaker 1: they do look a little messier sometimes. But just think

1400
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:21,680
Speaker 1: of it this way. All that is going to go

1401
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:25,000
Speaker 1: back into the soil to feed your next round. So

1402
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:28,400
Speaker 1: I think the upside outweighs downside. Yeah, okay, I follow

1403
01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:32,880
Speaker 1: you there. So now we have this messy summer food plot,

1404
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:35,320
Speaker 1: but it's great. It's providing all sorts of cool stuff.

1405
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:37,360
Speaker 1: There's some weeds in there, but that's fine because weeds

1406
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:39,240
Speaker 1: in many ways are good for all sorts of other

1407
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:43,360
Speaker 1: critters and pollinators and fun stuff like that. Now we

1408
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:46,639
Speaker 1: edge into late summer and we're getting ready to plant

1409
01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:50,719
Speaker 1: our fall planting, which is the you know, our hunting plots.

1410
01:19:51,479 --> 01:19:55,760
Speaker 1: And can you walk me through how you are terminating

1411
01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:58,920
Speaker 1: your spring plot when you're doing that, and what you're

1412
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:01,519
Speaker 1: thinking about when we play this next version for this

1413
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:06,840
Speaker 1: next round? Right, definitely. So if you have a drill,

1414
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:10,320
Speaker 1: you can you can drill right through the spring mix.

1415
01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:14,200
Speaker 1: They call it planting green. You can fire that thing

1416
01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 1: up with your tractor and drive right over it and

1417
01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:18,960
Speaker 1: plant in between it, and you're gonna kill some of

1418
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:20,800
Speaker 1: the some of the spring makes by running it over.

1419
01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:25,040
Speaker 1: Some of this is gonna mature and die out with frost, etcetera.

1420
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:28,800
Speaker 1: And you don't use any sort of herbicide. Um, you're

1421
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:32,639
Speaker 1: just literally keeping living roots in the soil all the time.

1422
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:35,519
Speaker 1: It's pretty cool. Again, it looks a little messier, but

1423
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:37,920
Speaker 1: you know, it depends what your goals are. What I

1424
01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:41,080
Speaker 1: do with the equipment I have, which is pretty average,

1425
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:43,720
Speaker 1: um for every you know a lot of people that

1426
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:47,880
Speaker 1: I run or talk to. We you know, I'll go

1427
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 1: in there normally in August. Normally I'm in August. I'm

1428
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:56,679
Speaker 1: playing the weather. I'm looking for that rain. I want

1429
01:20:56,680 --> 01:21:00,439
Speaker 1: to make sure that that I have a good rain coming,

1430
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:03,439
Speaker 1: so sometime in August, because I want to give my

1431
01:21:03,439 --> 01:21:05,479
Speaker 1: basket some time to grow that are in the mix.

1432
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:09,080
Speaker 1: And if you're only cereal grains, you can wait a

1433
01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:11,720
Speaker 1: little bit longer, even even September. So but since it's

1434
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:13,479
Speaker 1: we're talking diverse mix here, I try to hit the

1435
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:16,200
Speaker 1: middle of all of it. I'll go in there. I will.

1436
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:19,240
Speaker 1: So now I'll have a four or five ft standing

1437
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:23,680
Speaker 1: spring food plot. You know, tall is me? I guess

1438
01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:25,519
Speaker 1: I'm taller than four or five ft, But you're right

1439
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:28,360
Speaker 1: in that area. And I'm gonna be with my age, yeah,

1440
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:32,720
Speaker 1: four ft two, driving through with my a t V.

1441
01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:34,840
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna be I have a a like a

1442
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:37,640
Speaker 1: salt spreader for for ice on the front. I just

1443
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:41,879
Speaker 1: filled that thing up and I'm broadcast through the standing

1444
01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:45,160
Speaker 1: mix and now all that seed is getting you know,

1445
01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:48,280
Speaker 1: falling down in between all these plants down to the

1446
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 1: ground and or close. Then I come through and I

1447
01:21:52,280 --> 01:21:55,360
Speaker 1: terminate it. I have an a TV cult to packer

1448
01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:57,960
Speaker 1: works pretty good. Um it has a roller crimp for

1449
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:01,920
Speaker 1: attachment that works pretty good. Herbis side, I've used herb

1450
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:04,840
Speaker 1: beside because that works great. And really, if I'm using

1451
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:07,799
Speaker 1: herbicide and I'm doing this system, I'm using it twice

1452
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:10,880
Speaker 1: a year max. And really that's a lot better than

1453
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:14,840
Speaker 1: then what I've done in the past. And I'm trying

1454
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:17,519
Speaker 1: to go to once a year. Soon maybe no, you know,

1455
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:20,679
Speaker 1: no use of that a year. But long story long,

1456
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:25,559
Speaker 1: better your seed terminate with either cramper can roll that

1457
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:28,719
Speaker 1: down and terminate those plants on top of your seeds.

1458
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:32,320
Speaker 1: You can spray the combination of both, or again back

1459
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:34,920
Speaker 1: to the mower. You can grab a mower. And that's

1460
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:38,080
Speaker 1: where that throw and mo came from. Years ago. You're

1461
01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:41,680
Speaker 1: mowing and all this dead plant matter what we call

1462
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:45,920
Speaker 1: thatch or duff, that's covering up your seeds, acting as

1463
01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:49,000
Speaker 1: if you planted them under the dirt. So then you

1464
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:52,439
Speaker 1: need that rain. So that's pretty much how I would

1465
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:56,360
Speaker 1: do that, as I mean pretty standard. You're just instead

1466
01:22:56,360 --> 01:22:58,840
Speaker 1: of covering your seeds with dirt, you're covering it with

1467
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:01,960
Speaker 1: dead plant matter, if that makes sense. Yeah. So it's

1468
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:05,479
Speaker 1: it's really key to make sure you broadcast first before

1469
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:07,400
Speaker 1: knocking down any of that stuff, right, because if you

1470
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:11,920
Speaker 1: knock down your your spring planting first and then your

1471
01:23:11,960 --> 01:23:14,439
Speaker 1: seed never makes it beneath it, right, So that timing

1472
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:17,160
Speaker 1: is is pretty key. Your order of operations can really

1473
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:20,439
Speaker 1: mess things up, right, It can with a diverse mix

1474
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:23,599
Speaker 1: like that where we're we have peas and and oh

1475
01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:26,080
Speaker 1: it's some big, big seeds in there. That's why I

1476
01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:28,360
Speaker 1: do it that way. I've done it the other way though, too,

1477
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:32,000
Speaker 1: with if you're just planting like braskas and clovers. Um,

1478
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:36,040
Speaker 1: I've sprayed first, let it die for two weeks, and

1479
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:38,240
Speaker 1: then just wait for that rain and then run out there.

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01:23:38,240 --> 01:23:41,400
Speaker 1: And the smaller seed with a good rain can get

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01:23:41,439 --> 01:23:44,000
Speaker 1: down there as well. But now you're starting to depend

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01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:46,479
Speaker 1: on how much thatche layer do I have, how much

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01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:49,479
Speaker 1: soil is exposed. It can get a little bit tricky. Yeah,

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01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:51,120
Speaker 1: so yeah, I do it like you said, I do

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01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:55,240
Speaker 1: it prior and then I terminate over top. Okay, um,

1486
01:23:55,439 --> 01:24:00,519
Speaker 1: and all right, so we've got we've got the process.

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01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 1: It's such a cool, simple, cheap way to do it,

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01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:05,640
Speaker 1: Like you don't need any big equipment to do it

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01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 1: like this. You really could do it with You almost

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01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:11,200
Speaker 1: don't even need a You could do this with a

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01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:15,439
Speaker 1: backpack sprayer or you know, over your shoulder broadcaster. And

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01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:18,200
Speaker 1: that's basically it. I mean, you don't need to have

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01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:20,400
Speaker 1: a tractor. You don't need to have a TV. And

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01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:22,120
Speaker 1: a TV helps a lot with certain parts of this,

1495
01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:25,160
Speaker 1: but you don't need it. Um. I mean that's a

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01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:30,400
Speaker 1: that's pretty darn cool. What if again, I know, I

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01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:34,240
Speaker 1: I used your um, your carbon load, I think you

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01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:36,519
Speaker 1: call it, or whatever the heck is called your fall blend.

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01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:39,720
Speaker 1: Last year I had some issues with water flooding, but

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01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:43,200
Speaker 1: the stuff that did come up came up really good. UM.

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01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:47,560
Speaker 1: And I end up having a mature buck in their bunch, which, uh,

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01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:49,639
Speaker 1: it's a story I actually haven't told in the podcast yet,

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01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:52,280
Speaker 1: but I almost killed a mature buck with my four

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01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:57,560
Speaker 1: year old this year twice. UM. And it was revolving

1505
01:24:57,600 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 1: around this spot that you and I, you know, work

1506
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:02,160
Speaker 1: I'm planning. Last year which is a story for another day.

1507
01:25:02,160 --> 01:25:04,840
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna tell the story of this particular hunt

1508
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:08,640
Speaker 1: until I kill this deer, which hopefully will happen someday. Um,

1509
01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:11,840
Speaker 1: but but what if if someone's trying to, you know,

1510
01:25:12,200 --> 01:25:15,120
Speaker 1: do something like this themselves, or if they are you know,

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01:25:15,200 --> 01:25:17,040
Speaker 1: if they already have some stuff and they're wondering, hey,

1512
01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:19,920
Speaker 1: will this work for a summer planting? Noe till like this?

1513
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:23,120
Speaker 1: If I want to do this year round cycle? What

1514
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:25,240
Speaker 1: are the key elements of this kind of fall blend

1515
01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:29,519
Speaker 1: in your in your mind, key elements being like seed

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01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:32,519
Speaker 1: types or what's it bringing to the table in general?

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01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:36,720
Speaker 1: I guess both. So, so what what general categories of

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01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:38,840
Speaker 1: seed would you want in a fall mix? And you

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01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:41,679
Speaker 1: can speak to what you guys use yourselves or otherwise,

1520
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:45,519
Speaker 1: and then you know and why Oh, first of all,

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01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:47,599
Speaker 1: if you kill them mature buck with a four year old,

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01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:50,360
Speaker 1: then a vitalized food plot, I would be high five.

1523
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:53,680
Speaker 1: And yet all the way down to that'd be I

1524
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:56,519
Speaker 1: can't wait to hear that story. Um, hopefully hopefully it

1525
01:25:56,560 --> 01:26:00,000
Speaker 1: happens this fall. Now I'll tell you what. I brought

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01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:03,320
Speaker 1: a four year old out like six times and we

1527
01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:06,760
Speaker 1: killed a dough and we killed three doughs together. But

1528
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:09,800
Speaker 1: it wasn't for lack of a challenge. So if to

1529
01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:13,320
Speaker 1: get a mature buck and ball range or holy cop um,

1530
01:26:13,479 --> 01:26:19,160
Speaker 1: well done. An this was like, oh okay, well still, yeah,

1531
01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:21,360
Speaker 1: you understand the four year old in the dear blind

1532
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:23,760
Speaker 1: still was a miracle to be close to playing off

1533
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:30,320
Speaker 1: still exact exactly. Um. So for the for the fall load,

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01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:34,800
Speaker 1: you know, we we like to the main goal of

1535
01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:38,400
Speaker 1: this was to just cycle nutrients, like Grant talks about

1536
01:26:38,600 --> 01:26:41,200
Speaker 1: with whatever seed bud you go to and get off

1537
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:45,800
Speaker 1: of the fertilizer in the herbis side. It's actually what

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01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:50,960
Speaker 1: I've learned from the process. This is super attractive to

1539
01:26:51,080 --> 01:26:53,479
Speaker 1: white tail, more so than I would have ever thought

1540
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:56,800
Speaker 1: in the first a minute. Um. But now that I

1541
01:26:57,000 --> 01:26:58,439
Speaker 1: know no more about it, I know what's in it.

1542
01:26:58,479 --> 01:27:02,519
Speaker 1: I understand. So in the fall mix we do a

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01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:07,120
Speaker 1: sixteen way we have I hope I get this right here.

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01:27:07,479 --> 01:27:11,400
Speaker 1: We have like four or five clovers, we have four

1545
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:14,920
Speaker 1: or five grains like cereal grains, and we have four

1546
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:21,320
Speaker 1: or five brassicas um and we have as as. In

1547
01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:23,720
Speaker 1: general is pretty much what it is. There's different turn

1548
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:28,879
Speaker 1: ups and braska's there's you know, buckwheat, oats, wheat rye,

1549
01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:31,280
Speaker 1: try to kale. And then you know, you have your

1550
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:35,240
Speaker 1: different types of Dixie, crimson clover, medium red clover, frosty

1551
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:39,800
Speaker 1: brow seem you know, some good name brands stuff. Um,

1552
01:27:39,880 --> 01:27:45,160
Speaker 1: but in general it's a mix of clover, Braska's and

1553
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:48,479
Speaker 1: grains for the most part. And what that does you

1554
01:27:48,479 --> 01:27:51,560
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier with kind of insurance policy. We had a

1555
01:27:51,640 --> 01:27:55,960
Speaker 1: drought year this past year, and finally when we started

1556
01:27:55,960 --> 01:28:00,200
Speaker 1: getting that rain in October, boom, here it comes and

1557
01:28:00,200 --> 01:28:03,439
Speaker 1: the deer notice that. And I was just blown away

1558
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:08,879
Speaker 1: by how they can again selective browsers tell what is diverse,

1559
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:11,880
Speaker 1: where to go, which food plot to walk across to

1560
01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:14,680
Speaker 1: get to which other one. It's really very cool. So

1561
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:17,640
Speaker 1: those are kind of the principles there is, just you

1562
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:20,000
Speaker 1: have something for each part of the season. You have

1563
01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:23,800
Speaker 1: braskas for late, you have grains for early, and and

1564
01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:27,560
Speaker 1: clover for browse tolerance. Um. I'm not sure if that

1565
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:29,280
Speaker 1: answered your question ful you or not? Yeah, I know

1566
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:33,440
Speaker 1: you covered it. And then do any of those clovers.

1567
01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:36,479
Speaker 1: I gotta believe some of those clovers will be greening

1568
01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:39,280
Speaker 1: up again in the spring before my spring planting of

1569
01:28:39,320 --> 01:28:42,160
Speaker 1: the next round. So I'm getting year round coverage of

1570
01:28:42,240 --> 01:28:45,000
Speaker 1: some kind of food out there, is that right? Yeah?

1571
01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 1: Living roots in the soil all your long is what

1572
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:51,519
Speaker 1: we're trying to do here, you know, upp here, you

1573
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:54,439
Speaker 1: know it's tough in February, right, But like down south,

1574
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:56,680
Speaker 1: it's a different story. Those guys have it going on,

1575
01:28:57,240 --> 01:29:00,519
Speaker 1: um with the longer planting seasons all the time. So

1576
01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:02,840
Speaker 1: that's the idea. And in the spring, that rise going

1577
01:29:02,920 --> 01:29:05,680
Speaker 1: to bowl that we's gonna bolt up. Your clover is

1578
01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:08,479
Speaker 1: gonna start popping up again, and you're gonna have the

1579
01:29:08,520 --> 01:29:11,920
Speaker 1: first green food source out of anybody around. That's kind

1580
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:13,479
Speaker 1: of what we try to do with everything with our

1581
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:18,600
Speaker 1: properties is be the outlier, be the exception, um, you know,

1582
01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:21,880
Speaker 1: in terms of your terminology, be the icing on the cake.

1583
01:29:21,960 --> 01:29:24,479
Speaker 1: You don't need to be the fourty acre corn field

1584
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:26,479
Speaker 1: that holds all the deer, but you can get them

1585
01:29:26,479 --> 01:29:29,559
Speaker 1: to swing in and spend some time there while you're

1586
01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:32,280
Speaker 1: in the tree sand. That's a goal. Yeah, that's awesome, man.

1587
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:35,479
Speaker 1: Well we are running out of time. So there's like

1588
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:37,479
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of other things I was thinking I

1589
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:39,600
Speaker 1: want to talk about, like a whole other property you

1590
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:42,479
Speaker 1: have that you've been working on that we didn't get there.

1591
01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:45,479
Speaker 1: But but I guess that means we have to do

1592
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:49,120
Speaker 1: this again. Um Man. I appreciate talking through all this stuff.

1593
01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:52,600
Speaker 1: It's really fun to get to talk through these ideas,

1594
01:29:53,280 --> 01:29:55,519
Speaker 1: um and and talk to someone who's proving them on

1595
01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:57,679
Speaker 1: you know, not a big, huge giant farm, but doing

1596
01:29:57,680 --> 01:30:00,479
Speaker 1: on fifteen, doing on seventy, you know, doing it like

1597
01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:03,040
Speaker 1: anybody else, with doing it without tractors and no tills.

1598
01:30:03,080 --> 01:30:07,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you're doing it very simple, very basic budget

1599
01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:10,719
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. So it just I think gives myself

1600
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:12,400
Speaker 1: hope and I think a lot of people that this

1601
01:30:12,439 --> 01:30:15,880
Speaker 1: is something that's available to just about anyone. And uh

1602
01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:19,160
Speaker 1: and I appreciate that. So before we wrap it up

1603
01:30:19,160 --> 01:30:21,400
Speaker 1: the really quick Jerry, can you give us the quick

1604
01:30:21,439 --> 01:30:24,679
Speaker 1: scoop on where we can you know, learn more about

1605
01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:27,439
Speaker 1: your content, consume your content, learn more about the seeds,

1606
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:29,800
Speaker 1: all that stuff. Where can we get it if you

1607
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:32,800
Speaker 1: want to hear more about this habitat stuff. We talk

1608
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:36,960
Speaker 1: about it all year long. Habitat podcast Again, I'm very

1609
01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:41,439
Speaker 1: simple habitat podcasts. Find that on all of the iTunes

1610
01:30:41,439 --> 01:30:45,880
Speaker 1: and spotifyes of the world. Happy podcast dot com and uh,

1611
01:30:46,280 --> 01:30:47,559
Speaker 1: you know, we've had you on there a couple of

1612
01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:49,920
Speaker 1: times and it's just it's just it's it's what we

1613
01:30:50,040 --> 01:30:51,800
Speaker 1: nerd out on all the time. We love it and

1614
01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:55,320
Speaker 1: we talk about making your deer hunting property better with

1615
01:30:55,360 --> 01:30:58,920
Speaker 1: the use of habitat improvement. Um As far as the

1616
01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:04,000
Speaker 1: food plot stuff that it's called vitalized seed on the

1617
01:31:04,040 --> 01:31:07,920
Speaker 1: idea behind vitalizes to put strength and energy back into something.

1618
01:31:08,080 --> 01:31:10,360
Speaker 1: That's what we're doing with our our soil and our wildlife,

1619
01:31:10,360 --> 01:31:13,600
Speaker 1: so vitalized seed dot com. If you have any questions.

1620
01:31:14,280 --> 01:31:17,080
Speaker 1: We we pride ourselves on service, so call us up,

1621
01:31:17,200 --> 01:31:19,400
Speaker 1: email us, we'll take your call, we'll take your email,

1622
01:31:19,479 --> 01:31:21,800
Speaker 1: take your soil tests, will help you out. Feel free

1623
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:24,000
Speaker 1: to reach out. You will hear back from us at

1624
01:31:24,120 --> 01:31:26,680
Speaker 1: vitalize seed dot com. And Mark, just thank you again, man,

1625
01:31:26,760 --> 01:31:29,280
Speaker 1: had a great time chatting with you. Yeah, I appreciate.

1626
01:31:29,320 --> 01:31:32,639
Speaker 1: It's good to catch up again and hopefully we can

1627
01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:35,920
Speaker 1: talk more again soon. While while standing over some dirt

1628
01:31:36,120 --> 01:31:39,280
Speaker 1: or hopefully not dirt. Hopefully it's living roots and something

1629
01:31:39,320 --> 01:31:42,840
Speaker 1: growing and we're talking about the next round and continuing

1630
01:31:43,360 --> 01:31:46,920
Speaker 1: continuing this food plot process. So thanks buddy. You bet

1631
01:31:46,920 --> 01:31:50,240
Speaker 1: I'll see you this spring, all right, And that's a wrap.

1632
01:31:50,320 --> 01:31:53,800
Speaker 1: Thank you for tuning in, Appreciate you. Hope you found

1633
01:31:53,800 --> 01:31:57,920
Speaker 1: this one interesting and inspiring. I hope maybe you're gonna

1634
01:31:57,920 --> 01:32:01,160
Speaker 1: go grab a chainsaw or shovel or your ut V

1635
01:32:01,439 --> 01:32:04,320
Speaker 1: or something and head outside and get to some of

1636
01:32:04,360 --> 01:32:07,720
Speaker 1: these projects. You know, spring and summer is gonna be

1637
01:32:07,720 --> 01:32:09,599
Speaker 1: here before we know it, so let's get out there

1638
01:32:09,680 --> 01:32:12,479
Speaker 1: and get started. And with that said, thank you for

1639
01:32:12,520 --> 01:32:19,200
Speaker 1: tuning in, and until next time, stay wired. Done