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Speaker 3: This is a rat up happy trackle tip one.

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Speaker 1: Man, you're saying that humans need fantasy to make life bearable.

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Speaker 1: Humans need fantasy to be human. My goodness, that was good.

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Speaker 1: You guys a prose best, relentless, refusing to give up.

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Speaker 2: All right, hit that horn, Bayless?

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Speaker 1: What is happened to everybody? Welcome to the Fantasy Flex Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Chris Raymond of the Action Network and

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Speaker 1: this is our tight End Fantasy Preview episode for twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty three. Here to break it down with me fresh

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Speaker 1: off his gambly wins. One of the top rankers in

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Speaker 1: the game, Sean Turner, Sean, what's going on?

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Speaker 2: Oh man?

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Speaker 3: Just recovering from our very fun but very tiring New

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Speaker 3: York trip. It was good to see everybody, but yeah,

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Speaker 3: still recovering.

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Speaker 2: How about you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I'm showing it's it's It was a long trip,

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Speaker 1: but fittingly, you and I both want a gambling which

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Speaker 1: is I guess our comedy version of the SBS or whatever,

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Speaker 1: but we both won one for was a gust performance

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Speaker 1: coming off a bender.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know why they had to add the

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Speaker 3: I mean that was an element that maybe added to it,

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Speaker 3: But I thought it was just a good show overall,

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Speaker 3: Like why did the bender have to be included in that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? And for those that don't know, this is this

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Speaker 1: is like bet what Happens Live show at halftime of

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Speaker 1: the Bucks Cowboys Money Night playoff game.

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Speaker 3: So and I think by the end of that you

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Speaker 3: established Tom Brady was seventy years old.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think he was eighty years old with the yips.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, yeah, because he started off fifty and then

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Speaker 3: he gradually, like you added ten years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean tom Brady minute that he literally aged

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Speaker 1: seeing him play again, right, So?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, that was That was a rough game. That

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Speaker 3: Yeah you were explaining that play to me, still one

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Speaker 3: of the funniest plays of all time. But Zeke just

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Speaker 1: No, what was that?

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Speaker 1: That game? Was that? That was? That was The next

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Speaker 1: tight ends on this episode. We're gonna go through the

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Speaker 1: top twelve and adp uh in basketball over the last

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Speaker 1: for this season. So, without further ado, Travis Kelce, I mean,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's worth it. He is my tight

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Speaker 3: And I would say, like, well, obviously the rest of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think the reason is that is, I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think he does take a hit with

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I've always said he had top five

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Speaker 1: still has more talent and that's you know, therefore I

432
00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,480
Speaker 1: think more high end upside. But you know, I'm I'm not.

433
00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:59,000
Speaker 1: I don't actually have too much differentiation between those two guys.

434
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,240
Speaker 1: And then I think tit en six is pretty polarizing.

435
00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:08,240
Speaker 1: It's Darren Waller, some places, it's Kyle Pitts. But you know,

436
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,840
Speaker 1: I started the off season pretty well on Waller. I

437
00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,399
Speaker 1: think I've kind of come around a little bit, you know,

438
00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,680
Speaker 1: and I think we've got word now Saquon Barkley. But

439
00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 1: what exactly is going to happen with him? His available

440
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 1: availability is a bit in question because of you know,

441
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,080
Speaker 1: the offer is not where he wants it to be,

442
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,639
Speaker 1: so that could make the Giants maybe a little more

443
00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:29,800
Speaker 1: pass heavy, and it takes a pass catcher running back

444
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,159
Speaker 1: out of the equation if he misses any time. So

445
00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,879
Speaker 1: what do you think about Waller here going to the

446
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,240
Speaker 1: New York Giants for a third round pick?

447
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I think it's a good move for Waller.

448
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,920
Speaker 3: You know that the Giants don't have as many you know,

449
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,760
Speaker 3: passing yards or touchdowns to go around as the Raiders,

450
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,280
Speaker 3: but he should see his eighteen percent targets per out

451
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:56,080
Speaker 3: run rate go up not having to play alongside DeVante Adams.

452
00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,159
Speaker 3: And you know, one of the puzzling things projecting the

453
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 3: Giants is you know which one of their one hundred

454
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 3: wide receivers are going.

455
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:03,159
Speaker 2: To be on the field.

456
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,400
Speaker 3: But the good news is they can only have three

457
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,920
Speaker 3: wide receivers at most on the field at the same time.

458
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 3: So either way, I think Waller will likely be you know,

459
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,560
Speaker 3: Daniel Jones' top target this year, so you know, I

460
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,399
Speaker 3: think that's gonna give him high floor and a high ceiling.

461
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 2: So I kind of like him at tight end six.

462
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 3: The only concern with Waller at this point is, you know,

463
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,680
Speaker 3: he's turning thirty one, and you know, the past few

464
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 3: seasons he just hasn't been able to stay healthy. So

465
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 3: I think unfortunately he has earned the injury prone label

466
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,400
Speaker 3: just because he hasn't been able to play through injuries

467
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 3: that you know, other guys have played through, which is

468
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 3: a concern. So I have him, you know, in the

469
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 3: same tier as Goddart and Pits, and I typically like

470
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 3: to get whoever falls at the bottom of that tier,

471
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 3: and sometimes it's Waller, sometimes it's Pits. But I do

472
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 3: think that that's kind of you know, the third tier

473
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:54,879
Speaker 3: at tight end and after that, if I'm in a

474
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,399
Speaker 3: redraft league, I'd be considering just you know, streaming the

475
00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,360
Speaker 3: position or getting Chigg a bit later on. So it's

476
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,639
Speaker 3: a critical part in my draft, you know, whether it's

477
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 3: Waller or Pits, that makes step far because once both

478
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 3: are off the board, I typically wait until the later

479
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 3: rounds to grab a tight end. So, yeah, I like Waller,

480
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 3: but he has to stay healthy and just you know,

481
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 3: he hasn't proven that the past few years.

482
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's a wide range of outcomes, you know,

483
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 1: the injury thing, you know, the age, the new offense

484
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 1: in general. Just sometimes that doesn't always work out for

485
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 1: pass catchers. It's not you know, Daniel Jones obviously earned

486
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,640
Speaker 1: his contract, but he's not a wit. So I think

487
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 1: there's Yeah, the floor is pretty well, it's another spot

488
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,680
Speaker 1: where I get it, you know, if you want to

489
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: take that shot, and it depending on your draft strategy.

490
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 1: I think, you know, these guys that we're talking about now, kiddo, Goddter, Waller, Pitt.

491
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 1: If I'm going more of a zero running back strategy,

492
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 1: that's why I think they come into play, because you know,

493
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 1: if you're going with let's say four wide receivers in

494
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 1: a tight end in the first five rounds or you know,

495
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,680
Speaker 1: five in the first six, I think you do want

496
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 1: to kind of take a shot at these guys in

497
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:06,119
Speaker 1: this next tier that could theoretically get up to that

498
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 1: you know, top tier tier two, you know, tier one,

499
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 1: one and a half, one B, whatever you call it

500
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 1: in terms of tight end production.

501
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 2: Uh.

502
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,399
Speaker 1: That these that's certainly what these guys have in a

503
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 1: range of outcomes. But if you're kind of drafting a

504
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 1: little more traditionally, and you know you you're only taking

505
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 1: your wide receiver two or three in the spots, I

506
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,239
Speaker 1: don't know if I would pass on wide receiver two

507
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 1: or three options, you know, even you know, even a

508
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 1: solid flex option at at one of those wanting running

509
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 1: back of wid receiver for a guy like a Darren Waller,

510
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,439
Speaker 1: who I still think the floor uh is pretty well.

511
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 3: So when it comes to his usage in this offense.

512
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 3: You know, last year he had an eight thirteen point seven,

513
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 3: he was more of a deep threat, made him a

514
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,119
Speaker 3: lot more volatile. Do you think, you know, the Giants

515
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 3: want to use a more downfield or is he going

516
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 3: to see more underneath targets, more volume, Like, how do

517
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:57,679
Speaker 3: you think they're going to use them? Because that's kind

518
00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 3: of the thing they've been lacking, right, is more of

519
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 3: a deep threat. You have all these slought receivers. So

520
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 3: is he gonna be getting easy passes over the middle

521
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 3: or is that gonna push him to like a more

522
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 3: fall like Kyle Pitt's kind of role. I think, yeah,

523
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,360
Speaker 3: really Okay, yeah, because that would be a concern.

524
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 1: Then yeah, because I mean that's gonna naturally lead to

525
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,959
Speaker 1: a little more volativity. It's gonna lead to more upside too.

526
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 1: But again, at this point in the draft, and you're

527
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 1: you know, with him, you're starting to get to the

528
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: sixth round, maybe into the seventh, so it's not you know,

529
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 1: you can start to take some risks there when you're

530
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: talking about Waller anyway, But yeah, you know, Slayton obviously

531
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 1: is a deep ball guy. Looks like he's gonna be

532
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 1: in the mix. Uh, but you do still have you know,

533
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 1: Wanda Robinson coming back at some point, you know, Shepherd's

534
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 1: still on the team if he plays well, I don't

535
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 1: think they you know, I don't think they cut him either,

536
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 1: and then Jayme and Hyatt's like a wild car too.

537
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, you have a lot of slot receivers. I

538
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 1: don't know if Waller gets like the T. J. Hockinson treatment,

539
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 1: where you know he averages six yards of target. He

540
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 1: was just getting peppered with targets. Oh exactly, there is

541
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 1: a low floor. But at the same time he could

542
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 1: be their wide receiver one, and you know there's always

543
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 1: a high ceiling and being that that top target, he

544
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: could go back to being a target high getting targeted

545
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 1: closer to a quarter of his routes like he was

546
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 1: the last couple of years before. At twenty twenty two,

547
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 1: Kle Pitts is the tight end seven. So Waller's passed

548
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,239
Speaker 1: him in some ADPs. Really, his issue with last year

549
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,679
Speaker 1: was he didn't get many catchable targets, only fifty two

550
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 1: percent according to a PFF. That's down from sixty six

551
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: percent the year before. So I think he has some

552
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,439
Speaker 1: upside to bounce back. What do you think of Pitt's

553
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: heading into year three?

554
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I think look he's still a generational talent

555
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 3: still twenty two years old, has all the upside. Just

556
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 3: the reason he's been a just point is just you know,

557
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 3: due to the scheme, injuries, you know, more things outside

558
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 3: of his control. But last season, you know, he saw

559
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 3: a massive twenty six point five percent you know, target rate,

560
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 3: so that's great, but like you mentioned, he only caught

561
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 3: fifty percent of the targets because unfortunately they're more downfield,

562
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 3: you know, at a dot of thirteen point seven, which

563
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 3: doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad thing. It depends who

564
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 3: your quarterbacks are. But like you said, you know, not

565
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 3: many of them are catchable, so that's that's not a

566
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 3: good combo. And unfortunately, we haven't really seen him play

567
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 3: in a regular season game with Desmond Ridder yet, and

568
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 3: Desmond Ridder had the fourth worst catchable ball rate on

569
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 3: past his twenty plus yards downfield. So again, not a

570
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 3: good sign just based on how they're using pits. But

571
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 3: you know, he could break out this year, especially if

572
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 3: they start peppering in with more underneath targets.

573
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 2: You know, getting him you know, some easy catches. I

574
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 2: think that'll help.

575
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 3: So we need them to kind of you know, change

576
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 3: the schemer a little bit, but I do think he's

577
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 3: going at a point now where I think it is worth,

578
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 3: you know, taking a flyer on, especially since you know

579
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 3: he's at the end of this tier. Like I said,

580
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 3: I kind of like to have a tight end once

581
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 3: this tier is off the board. If not, you know,

582
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 3: I'll take a guy later on, no problem. But I

583
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 3: think that he still has that top five upside could

584
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 3: happen this year, So I think getting him a tight

585
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 3: end seven right now is a pretty good deal.

586
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's only so many guys with the

587
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: talent that he has. Now we know the Falcons are

588
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 1: probably gonna be a run heavy team. That's kind of

589
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: the issue with all these tight ends. I mean, ghettos

590
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: on a run every team God or even the Eagles,

591
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: you know, they still try and run heavy. The Giants,

592
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: you know, there's not there's not as many attempts to

593
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: go around either. I don't know if we've called them

594
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: run heavy, but they're definitely kind of in that in

595
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 1: that category more than the opposite. And uh, you know

596
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: Pitts as well, Uh is in that kind of category.

597
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: So all of these guys have this upside to kind

598
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: of get to that you know that tier right after Kelsey.

599
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: I mean, Pitts even has gids us a talent to

600
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: get to Kelsey's tier, but the volume probably not going

601
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,479
Speaker 1: to be there with the Falcons. But you know, there

602
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: is some room to grow in the touchdown apartment. He's

603
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: only had three in his first two years in the league,

604
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think, you know, again, it really depends

605
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: on on your draft strategy and you know, how much

606
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: risk you really want to take on a tight end

607
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: if you don't get one of the top ones. I

608
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: prefer to do it a lot more when I'm kind

609
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: of you know, going zero r B and I'm just

610
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: trying to, you know, get as much pass catching upside

611
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: as possible early on, and I'm just gonna take whichever

612
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: running backs fall. I'm usually a lot more willing to

613
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: do it. But Pitts is dropping and apn you mentioned

614
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: like the last guy in a tier, you know, is it?

615
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: Is it Pitts er? You know, do these guys in

616
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: the next year like it does Evan Ingram? Like how

617
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: close is Evan Ingram, for example, who's going as a

618
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: tighten eight? How close do you put him to that?

619
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: The tier of kidd Old God or Waller pits that

620
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: we that we just talked about.

621
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 2: Honestly, he's probably closer than people think. I do like

622
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 2: Evan Ingram.

623
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, this is always just the time where I'm punting

624
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 3: a tight end. And by the way, what wouldn't it

625
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 3: just be easier if you take Travis Kelsey with the

626
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 3: fifth pick overall? I mean, my god, that's one of

627
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 3: the blessings of taking Kelsey fifth overall is just not

628
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 3: having a delt of shit. So I do like Evn Ingram,

629
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 3: and you know, he was the tight end two for

630
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 3: weeks thirteen through eighteen last year, and I always mentioned

631
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 3: if you watch those games, he absolutely looked like it too.

632
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 3: He had the second most yards after the catch last season,

633
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 3: and you know, sometimes that can be lucky. But if

634
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 3: you look at next gen stats, they have expected yards

635
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 3: after the catch any of the third highest. So I

636
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 3: think that had just to do with the scheme. They

637
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 3: were opening them up for plenty yards after the catch.

638
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 3: Not too surprising because Doug Peterson has always had, you know,

639
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 3: tight end friendly schemes. So I love the situation Ingram

640
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 3: is and maybe it took him, you know, half season

641
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 3: to get up to speed in it, but he and

642
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence are on the same page. The only really

643
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 3: concern I have is, you know, you're injecting a pretty

644
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 3: good wide receiver and calv Ridley into this offense, so

645
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 3: I think he is going to take away some of

646
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 3: the target share from Ingram. But so you know, tight

647
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 3: end eight, that's a fair price for him. I don't

648
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 3: know how much more upside he provides in this offense

649
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 3: with Calvin Lee there. But again, if you wait at

650
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 3: tight end, you get Evan Ingram at tight end eight.

651
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 3: I think that's fair. And to be honest, I only

652
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 3: have him, you know, five points lower than like a

653
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 3: Dallas Godter, and you can get him much later. So

654
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 3: that's kind of what I was saying is I'm not

655
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 3: really reaching at got her at tight end five.

656
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 2: That's closer to ceiling when you can get Evan Ingram

657
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 2: way later.

658
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 3: And I only haven't projected for five fewer points this season,

659
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 3: so you know, he's definitely you know, smacked eb in

660
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 3: that mid tight end one range of outcomes.

661
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 2: So I actually do like eve Ingram this year.

662
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think his upside is going to come

663
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: from not necessarily being a more efficient or you know,

664
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: because he bawled out last year. But I think it's

665
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: going to come from the fact that the Jaguars probably

666
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: have a lot more volume upside than a lot of

667
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: those other guys. You know, Trevor Lawrence average about thirty

668
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: four to thirty five pass attemps his first two years

669
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: in the league, but that especially with Calvin Ridley there,

670
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: Lawrence could be one of those guys that's in that

671
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: thirty eight to forty range. And that's that's going to

672
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,479
Speaker 1: be a positive for Ingram and the Jaguars. They really

673
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: didn't sub out, you know, they had their kind of

674
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: top guys on the field. You know it was Ingram,

675
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: it was the top three receivers. You figure that will

676
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: happen again. So if Ingram's routes go up, the row

677
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: numbers will follow. So he's kind of more of he's

678
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: a little more dependent, I think something like that. So yeah,

679
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: Titan eight is fair for him, but not still not

680
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: a spot Hroun. I'm loving loving the value here because

681
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: I think every time you go down another spot, you're like,

682
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: there's just not as much separation. The number nine tight

683
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: end is Pat Fryarmouth. He did make jumps from his

684
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: first to second year targeted further downfield, the targets per

685
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: route went from about twenty to twenty two percent, the

686
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: yards per route from about one point three to one

687
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: point seven. So we saw the jumps, but I think

688
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: he's he's kind of got the opposite problem of Ingram

689
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: where similar kind of you know, underlying metrics. But the Steelers,

690
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: I mean Matt Cannack came out and said that we

691
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: don't want they don't want me to open the offense though,

692
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: like we want to just be a defense kind of

693
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: defensive first team. So what do you think of Friar

694
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: muth here at tight end nine?

695
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 3: Uh? Yeah, that's honestly, again, probably closer to his ceiling now.

696
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 3: He he probably should be a top ten tight end

697
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 3: off the board. You know, he's very talented. He's still

698
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 3: on a twenty four inner year three. I was always

699
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,479
Speaker 3: saying he was getting overlooked in the twenty twenty one

700
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 3: draft just because Kyle Pitts toll the spotlight. If if

701
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 3: Kyle Pitts wasn't in this class, you know, Pat would

702
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,719
Speaker 3: have been the top tight end drafted, would have had

703
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 3: a lot more hype. But he was really good, and

704
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 3: you know George Pickens gets a ton of hype, rightfully,

705
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 3: so heading in a year two, but you know, Firemuth

706
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 3: is technically the number two target in this offense. And

707
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 3: there are some weird stretches last year where you know,

708
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 3: Pat's rests run rate dipped, like in the mid fifties,

709
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 3: they were using a very weird I don't think Matt

710
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 3: Canna is a very good coordinator, so I was disappointed

711
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 3: that he's staying there. But all other games, you know,

712
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 3: he had very solid underlying metrics. You know, he's typically

713
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 3: averaging a seventy five to eighty percent routes run rate,

714
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 3: saw a twenty three percent target rate, but unfortunately this

715
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 3: just weren't many yards or touchdowns go around. So he

716
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 3: will benefit if Kenny Pickett can make a significant year

717
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 3: two leaps. So if you think that's going to happen,

718
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 3: you should be drafting Pat Firemouth. But you know that's

719
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 3: not a guarantee. So I think tight end nine is fair.

720
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 3: And I don't think Darnell Washington will have too much

721
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 3: of an impact year one, but there's still a chance,

722
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 3: so I think he could kind of represent Pat's floor.

723
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 3: You know, if they start getting Darnell Washington thirty percent

724
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 3: routes of game that could eat into Pat's role.

725
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 2: But I think tight End nine's fair. I'm just not

726
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 2: going out of my way to get him.

727
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he's a guy. Where I look at it,

728
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,760
Speaker 1: I say, if he's finishing higher, if he's beating this ADP,

729
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: it's probably more so because something went wrong with one

730
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 1: of those top eight guys than Friar Mooth, you know,

731
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: doing something that different from a season ago. I think,

732
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: you know, he had the big jump from year one

733
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 1: to year two, you know, I think that's kind of

734
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 1: where he's gonna land closer to you know, last year's

735
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: numbers underlying uh wise, but it's not going to be

736
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 1: a big pass every team. Hickens could make a pretty

737
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 1: big jump in terms of his his production and that

738
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,879
Speaker 1: even that something like that could take away from Friar

739
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,240
Speaker 1: Moose because fire Moose, Yeah, he was a number two target.

740
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: But with the the way wide receivers are kind of

741
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: making these jumps year one to year two, it could

742
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: be a lot closer this year in terms of how

743
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: the targets break down. Titan ten's a guy you know,

744
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: we both love. Uh He's a guy that I've been

745
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: trying to get on all my teams. His his cost

746
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: is coming up, So hopefully you guys heard me all

747
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: offseason talking about this guy. But Chicka Konko entering year two,

748
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: I just I just love the player, you know, just

749
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: so explosive. One of those guys that you know, he

750
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: doesn't get talked about in that talent range with some

751
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: of those guys higher on the list. But I think

752
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,479
Speaker 1: if anyone does have the upside to be talked about

753
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: that like that in a couple of years, maybe even

754
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: as soon as this year, it's him. You know, twenty

755
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: targeted on twenty six percent of his routes, two point

756
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 1: sixty yards per route run, only played on a third

757
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: of the snap, So just a massive room to grow

758
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: for him in terms of, you know, what we've seen

759
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: out of him the talent. So so what do you

760
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: think of him? He's up to tight End ten now,

761
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: so you know his number, his price is going up.

762
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. It's a damn shame.

763
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 3: You know that his ADP continues to climb. The market

764
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 3: is very sharp when it comes to check this year.

765
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 3: I think when we started talking about him, he was

766
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 3: what tight end eighteen sixteen.

767
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: He was in thee that minute that fifteen sixteen. Then

768
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 1: he kind of inched up to like right outside the

769
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,720
Speaker 1: top twelve, and now he's excided.

770
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 3: I mean, he should be a top ten tight end.

771
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 3: So now that he's tight end ten, you know, that's

772
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 3: a fair price. But he still has a ton of upside.

773
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 3: You know, he came on late in his rookie season

774
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 3: and the you know, the only thing really holding him

775
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 3: back was playing time. The only stretch where he saw

776
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 3: you know, a rots round rate over fifty percent was

777
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 3: weeks thirteen through fifteen, and he was a tight end

778
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 3: two over that stretch. So, uh, you know, he saw

779
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 3: the twenty five point five percent target rate, and with

780
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 3: Austin Hooper gon, you know, his rests rund rate I

781
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 3: think will be in that sixty to seventy percent range,

782
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 3: which is more than enough just based on his underlying

783
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 3: metrics to get him in that top ten range.

784
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 2: But you know, the sky's limit when it comes to him.

785
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 3: The only I guess concern I would have, and I

786
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,919
Speaker 3: don't really know if this is likely, but just where

787
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 3: DeAndre Hopkins lands, I know the Titans are still you know,

788
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 3: floating some offers out there so if he were to

789
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 3: land there, it would ding out a bit, but you know,

790
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 3: he still would have plenty of upside even if that

791
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 3: were to be the case. So I think tight end

792
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 3: ten is a fair price. It's just it's crazy how

793
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 3: sharp the ADP has gotten, like the market figured checkout,

794
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 3: and it's very unfortunate.

795
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and his upside I think does come from

796
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: the fact that, you know, he should be on the

797
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: field a lot more. I know, I've seen, you know,

798
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 1: the coaching staff kind of talk about they wanted more

799
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: guys that weren't going to kind of give away whether

800
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: it's past or run. You know, in the past, they've

801
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: had all these tight ends on the roster, but you know,

802
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: they had certain guys that they like for blocking more

803
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: o conqo. You know, guys like Hooper that they like

804
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,760
Speaker 1: for receiving more sway that they like for blocking more ocnquo.

805
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 1: You know, he can he can do a little bit

806
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: of both. Obviously much better as a receiver. But I think,

807
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: you know, based on what they got behind him at

808
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: the position that he's going to play pretty much, you know,

809
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: all the downs, like he's gonna kind of goto be

810
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 1: going to be a full time player this year, so

811
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of upside in that there's even

812
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,240
Speaker 1: more upside if there is a isn't a guy like Hopkins,

813
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 1: because now you're talking about chick with the possibility to

814
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 1: be the number two or even the number one target

815
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: if he takes a massive jump. So yeah, you know,

816
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 1: Tennessee is now the favorite to land Hopkins. So that

817
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: is something to to pay attention to. And I think

818
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: because his price is kind of peaked right now on

819
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: Best Ball, I would I would kind of weigh off

820
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: him now in season long, I still I still like him.

821
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: I still think he should be absolutely one of the

822
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 1: top twelve tight ends drafted. But if you're if you're

823
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 1: talking about Best Ball leagues right now, you've been drafting,

824
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 1: or even you're just starting to draft, like the price,

825
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: the price is probably at closer to its ceiling. And

826
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: if Hopkins signs, which is again the Tennessee has moved

827
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: into being the favorite. Uh you know, I think his eight,

828
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,800
Speaker 1: his his his projection only goes down, and thus his

829
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: ADP should only go down. So I'm not buying right now.

830
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: I thought already I'm not buying right now. And then

831
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: once we get quirity on on the Hopkin situation, we'll

832
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: kind of make a determination of exactly uh where you know,

833
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 1: where he should end up ADP wise as as the

834
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 1: season uh you know, heads into August.

835
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 3: That's that's probably the best outcome I think is his

836
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 3: Titans signed Hopkins, we get Chigs ADP back outside of

837
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 3: the top fifteen, and then we start reinvesting in them,

838
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 3: because honestly, with Hopkins there, he's just gonna command plenty

839
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 3: of attention from the defense.

840
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 2: That could open up Chick even more.

841
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 3: Like Chick's not a guy that necessari needs eight catches

842
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 3: in the game to hit value, you know, just a

843
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 3: few big plays, and having Hopkins there that could be

844
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 3: more likely. So, yeah, hopefully Hopkins signs there and we

845
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 3: can get a Chig back outside the top fifteen David

846
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 3: and Najoku.

847
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: He's been the guy to take the hit, you know,

848
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: with with with with Chig going up and Ingram moving up,

849
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: so the Jokers down to tighten eleven. You know, what

850
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: do you what do you think of him? Obviously Deshaun

851
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,399
Speaker 1: Watson wasn't quite himself. There was a lot of Jacoby Brissett. Now,

852
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: the thing I found interesting was that small sample obviously,

853
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 1: but his yards for target was about nine with Brissett

854
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: and onlys about six with with Deshaun Watson. So he,

855
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 1: like Watson, was pretty good to you know, better with

856
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: their wide receivers Cooper and DPJ. He was really good

857
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 1: with Nadjoku. The efficiency wasn't there as much with the yardage.

858
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: What do you what do you think of him heading

859
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: into this year?

860
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 2: Yeah?

861
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 3: No, I've always liked Joku and last year he finally

862
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 3: had his careerer in terms of targets, receptions, yards, touchdowns

863
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 3: per game. So he was the tight end ten in

864
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 3: points per game. We all knew he had top ten

865
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 3: upside once he was the undisputed number one tight end,

866
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 3: which last year was the first time he could say that.

867
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 3: So he ran rout over eighty percent of the time

868
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 3: in eight of his fourteen games he played, So he has,

869
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 3: you know, the upside with that kind of usage to

870
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 3: go off and be a top ten tight end. The

871
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 3: one concern I do have is just Elijah Moore might

872
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 3: eat into his target share a bit. But if Deshaun

873
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:50,399
Speaker 3: Watson does return to form the season, you know, then

874
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 3: that's the scenario where Joku could be pushing top five upside.

875
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 3: So again, if you're bullish on Watson heading in the season,

876
00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 3: definitely you know you want to pair him up with

877
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,879
Speaker 3: then Joku, But tight end eleven seems right. I would

878
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 3: still lean Chig over him. So I think that the

879
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 3: ADPs has really got sharpened up, and that's that's right

880
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 3: about where I.

881
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 2: Would have it.

882
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 3: But if he's sitting there at you know, tight end eleven,

883
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 3: he does carry a high ceiling four comba that I like,

884
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 3: but it's just got a lineup perfectly to get him

885
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 3: exactly there. But yeah, I do think he still has

886
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 3: that top ten upside for sure.

887
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's just the guy that, you know, if I'm drafting,

888
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,320
Speaker 1: I wait on tight end, he falls to me. You know,

889
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: everyone else taking their tight end. I'm fine, you know,

890
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 1: I'm fine with it. I'm not really going out of

891
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: my way to draft Dave n Joku this year though,

892
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: where as he mentioned, he could potentially be the the

893
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: fourth or you know, and you also have Chubb there,

894
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: so even you know, the Chubb has never been a

895
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: receiving kind of back, but you know, there's still the

896
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: potential for n Joker to be the fourth option in

897
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: this offense. If dpj continues to play well and more

898
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: bounces back from you know, the debacle that was Zach

899
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 1: Wilson on his career over the last couple of years.

900
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 1: And then Don Schultz he's the tight end twelve. You know,

901
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: he got about six million guaranteed. I do think this

902
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: Texans offense will be better than it has been. And

903
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 1: there's no real true I know, Nico Collins is kind

904
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: of that guy that that that we're expecting, but there's

905
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: there's some target upside in this offense. It's kind of

906
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: you don't know, is it Woods, you know, is it

907
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: you know as a young guy like Dale gonna emerge,

908
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: So it is you kind of have shows in that

909
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: twelve range or is this this kind of other guys

910
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: that you'd rather have?

911
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 3: Uh?

912
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,800
Speaker 1: Is that last startable you know, ranked tight end in

913
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: in one tight end week?

914
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have Schultz at twelve.

915
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 3: Just it's he's tricky because you know, I always say

916
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 3: he was a stud, you know for the Cowboys, but

917
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 3: he's never been the most athletic or you know, talented

918
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,240
Speaker 3: tight end. So I think he did just take advantage

919
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 3: of being in a good offense. He had really good

920
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 3: chemistry with Dak and sometimes when you have a tight

921
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 3: end like that and they go to a new team,

922
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 3: they struggle. So there's a chance Schultz could struggle with

923
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 3: the Texans. But like you alluded to, I don't know

924
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,439
Speaker 3: the fact that we're Nico Collins might be the number

925
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 3: one target is saying something. It probably will be Schultz,

926
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 3: So he could have a very high floor. So I

927
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 3: think he has a wide raunge of outcomes. And you know,

928
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 3: to his credit, last season, he was playing through a

929
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 3: painful PCL injury, so you know, a lot of his stats,

930
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,479
Speaker 3: you have to consider that he wasn't one hundred percent

931
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 3: for much of the season. So I think he's one

932
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 3: of those players that should bounce back health wise this season.

933
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 3: So I think that's gonna help him a lot. So

934
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 3: I have him tied end twelve. I don't think he

935
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 3: offers as much upside as some of the guys I

936
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 3: love just outside the top twelve.

937
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,240
Speaker 2: So it seems like a fair price.

938
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 3: Like if he's like a safety in that play, you

939
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 3: just want someone safe, but I don't really do that

940
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 3: once you get towards tight end twelve. So he's not

941
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 3: a guy I'm really you know, reaching for. But yeah,

942
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 3: he very well could be the top target in this offense,

943
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 3: or you know, he could struggle in this scheme. So

944
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 3: he's the guy I'm kind of polarized on.

945
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not going out of my way to draft him,

946
00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: and he's a guy I'm really probably not going to

947
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: get more because I do think he was a product

948
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 1: of the you know we talked about. Kellen Moore has

949
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: been running the Cowboys at a super fast paced. Their

950
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: passing volume has been very high. Guys have been missing

951
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: time for the Cowboys at wide receiver over the last

952
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: couple of years. Galup hasn't been healthy, so you know,

953
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: a lot of the numbers were kind of a product

954
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 1: of the offense. I do think the Texans will be

955
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: a lot better. I don't necessarily know if Dalton Schultz

956
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: is going to be, you know, a beneficial beneficiary of that,

957
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: just compared to where he's going. So he is tight

958
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 1: end twelve barely. But you know, we'll talk about some

959
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: guys right now that we like that. I think you

960
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: could make just as big of a case for us.

961
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: And that's why I'm not drafting Scholkes. I I don't

962
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: really think the value is there, But give me somebody

963
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: outside the top twelve that you that you like, that

964
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: you know kind of could be an alternative to somebody

965
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: if they're kind of faced with drafting.

966
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 3: Shultz, Well, I'm not going very far outside of the

967
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 3: top twelve because my favorite tight end outside of the

968
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 3: top twelve is tight end thirteen, Greg Dulcic. I have

969
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 3: just been super high on Dulcic from day one. You know,

970
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 3: he wasn't able to suit up until week six of

971
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 3: his rookie season. You know, he missed most of training camp,

972
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 3: missed the entire preseason as a rookie. So it was

973
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 3: just very impressive for him to just hit the ground

974
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 3: running as a rookie. So I think he's going to

975
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 3: be even better near to you know, get more chemistry

976
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 3: with Russe Wilson. Hopefully, you know, new head coach Sean Payton,

977
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,399
Speaker 3: can you know, get Russe Wilson a bounce back this year.

978
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 3: That's only going to help Dulsic. But you know, Dulcic

979
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 3: was the tight end ten over you know, week six

980
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 3: to week sixteen when he was a full time starter.

981
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 3: So we've already seen that he has top ten upside,

982
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 3: but I think there's even more, you know, sixteen of

983
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 3: his fifty five targets last year run catchable and it

984
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 3: was just maddening watching Broncos games, just Russe Wilson completely

985
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 3: missing Dulcicic wide open over the middle of the field.

986
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 3: I felt like Dulcic could have had an even better season.

987
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 3: So again, hopefully Sean Payton can repair Russell Wilson. But

988
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 3: even if not, you know, we've already seen Dulcach has

989
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 3: top ten upsides, So I love, you know, getting Dulsach

990
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 3: at tight end thirteen. Still, you know, his his tight end,

991
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 3: his ADP is creeping up. But again, I really do

992
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 3: think he should be closer to the top ten this year.

993
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love the talent. I'm still I'm still a

994
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: little skeptical just because they have other guys that you

995
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: know are going to factor in at the position. So

996
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: you know, my I do see like I do see

997
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: the floor of he is. He's still more of kind

998
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: of like a passing game specialist. And John Payton and

999
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: his offenses have been weird with tight ends at time

1000
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 1: in terms of the total routes, So I do think

1001
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: there's a possibility his routes might go down. His price

1002
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,240
Speaker 1: is going up. But again, in most weeks you're talking about,

1003
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 1: you're just taking a flyer on him at this point.

1004
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: You know, if you miss out on those top guys,

1005
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: So I can't really knock it. I think I would

1006
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,879
Speaker 1: rather take Dosuch a little bit later than a guy

1007
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,879
Speaker 1: like don't show, So I can't really knock it there.

1008
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: But my guy is Tyer Higbe, who's a couple of

1009
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: spots usually tight around tight end sixteen and no Cooper

1010
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: cup is coming back. But I still think there's a

1011
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 1: chance Tyer Higby could be the number two target in

1012
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 1: this offense because Van Jefferson is more of a downfield,

1013
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: lower percentage route runner kind of player. Higby was targeted

1014
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,879
Speaker 1: on twenty four percent of his routes last season, which

1015
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: is very very good. That's on par with guys like

1016
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 1: Mark Andrews, with guys like Hockinson. So you know, I

1017
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 1: do think there's some upside here because the Rams defense

1018
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 1: is not going to be as good in my opinion,

1019
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:35,760
Speaker 1: as it's been in years past with the mass exodus

1020
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: of talent that they were kind of forced to deal

1021
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: with due to the cap situation. So Higbee put up

1022
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: about four and a half catches over seven targets in

1023
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: Stafford's nine starts last year, most of which Cup was

1024
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: there for. So I do like Higbee as a sneaky

1025
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: option just hanging around in that in the mid tight

1026
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: end fifteen ish range, like he'd be a lot to

1027
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 1: sneak into the top twelve as well.

1028
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, I love.

1029
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 3: I still think he's being sleeped on. He's always a value,

1030
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 3: but I think this year he really is. And a

1031
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 3: lot of that is just yeah, he's probably gonna be

1032
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 3: the number two target and really the wide receiver too,

1033
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 3: and whye receiver three slots for the RAMS has been

1034
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 3: deteriorating over the past several seasons. So the days of

1035
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 3: Cooper Cup, Brandon Cooks, and Robert Woods are over now

1036
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 3: and now we have Cooper Cup, Van Jefferson and like

1037
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 3: Ben's scaronic, So I think that only helps Higbee. And

1038
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 3: you know his target chair is going to go up

1039
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 3: this year. So yeah, I think he's definitely getting sleeped on.

1040
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 3: I have them as my tight end thirteen right now.

1041
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 3: Actually I'm super high as well.

1042
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's my Titan thirteen two. Yes, I'm going on

1043
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 1: some time. It was not sexy. It's not sexy, right, Get.

1044
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 2: The job done.

1045
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 3: You're just you know, you're wrapped in the tight end late.

1046
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 3: So yeah, you know, he's he's always he's always been.

1047
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 2: Like one of my favorite high end tight end twos.

1048
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: And then uh, you know, I'll close it up by

1049
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 1: you know, we we I know, you know there's rookies.

1050
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 1: There's a couple of rookies that I kind of go in.

1051
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: They're outside the top twelve, but I think people, especially

1052
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: in basketball are going to be considering them. I know,

1053
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: you like Laporta a lot, and you like Kincaid as well.

1054
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 1: In which one of those guys you think, you know

1055
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 1: provides more value. The laporter is going tight end twenty

1056
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 1: two and Kincaid is tight ended sixteen fifteen. It looks

1057
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: like at the moment, yeah, no, obviously.

1058
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 3: You know, Kim Kaid has top fifteen upside. I think

1059
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 3: he's being drafted right about where he should be. I

1060
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 3: have him as my tight end sixteen. But I do

1061
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 3: think Laporta specifically is going a bit low at tight

1062
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 3: end twenty two, just because he really could be the

1063
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 3: number two target in the Lions offense, especially in the

1064
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 3: first six game when Jamison's out, and honestly, once Jamison's

1065
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 3: back Laporter still could be the number two target in

1066
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 3: this offense, so they really, you know, they needed somebody

1067
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 3: to plays TJ.

1068
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 2: Hawkinson.

1069
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 3: Laporta already replays Hawkinson once at Iowa, once Hawkinson declared

1070
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Speaker 3: for the draft, So I think Laporter's going to fill

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Speaker 3: in right away here. And I think Laporta has a

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Speaker 3: ton of upside. He should be able to be one

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Speaker 3: of those rookies early on, like a Greg Dulciic. Like

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00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 3: he does give me those kind of vibes, So I

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Speaker 3: think where he's going. I think Laporta at tight end

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Speaker 3: twenty two definitely has the most values.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's on the upsl wing. And I think,

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00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 1: you know, guys like Gerald Everett, Juwan Johnson, even might

1079
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: Dawson Knox. I think guys like that are going to

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Speaker 1: struggle to hit their eightyp So some of these guys,

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00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 1: you know, Laporta, Kinkaid, You're going to see they're a

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Speaker 1: little closer to the top twelve than though you might think,

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Speaker 1: because just because I think some of the guys, some

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00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 1: of those other guys are being a little bit overdrafted.

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Speaker 2: Where are you ranking Kincaid right now?

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Speaker 1: I believe I have him right in that same range

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00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 1: like fifteen sixteen. I do think the Bills are going

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00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: to play a lot more two tight end kind of

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00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: sets in in uh with k Cave lined up more exactly,

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Speaker 1: because they want to make defenses kind of declare you

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Speaker 1: know what, Okay, you know you're gonna leave a nickel

1092
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Speaker 1: on the field or what. So, yeah, I think in

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Speaker 1: Kaid And at the same time, you know, it's it's

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Speaker 1: still it's still iffy. Were still you know, the Bills

1095
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: wanted to do that last year and you know they didn't.

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00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: They didn't really get to do it as much. So, uh,

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00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: he could be a year away from true fantasy relevance.

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00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 1: But you know, always taking a shot on talent, especially

1099
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: on a team like the Bills with a good offense,

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Speaker 1: I don't mind it. But yeah, I think what Porter

1101
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: definitely is the better value among the rookies because it's

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Speaker 1: kind of a mix of, Okay, he has the opportunity

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00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 1: as a talent, the ADP is not too high, and

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Speaker 1: then with Kinkai the ADP might be a little high.

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Speaker 1: With then with guys like Luke Musgraves you know who

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00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 1: could start uh you know, Yeah, there's just a lot

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00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: of uncertainty because you got the quarterback situation, you also

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00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 1: got another tight ending craft. Uh you know, same thing

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00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: for a guy like Schoonmaker in Dallas. Like, there's just

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00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 1: not as much guaranteed as far as the role. So

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Speaker 1: I think what Porter is kind of that sweet spot

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Speaker 1: among these rookies. All right, that is going to wrap

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