1 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: Welcome to Securing America with me, Frank Afney, the program 2 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: that's a kind of owner's manual for protecting the country 3 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: we love against all enemies foreign and domestic, to the 4 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,480 Speaker 1: glory of God and his Kingdom. We have a very 5 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: important conversation coming up with one of my great personal 6 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: friends and heroes. Before we get there, I want to 7 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 1: just set the stage for our conversation with a few 8 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: remarks of my own. Prudent military officers plotting battlefield strategies 9 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: are mindful of an immutable fact that can undo even 10 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: the most brilliant plans. The enemy gets a vote. Starting 11 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: today in the state of Texas, that is literally the case, 12 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: with the beginning of early voting in its open GOP primary, Democrats, Independence, 13 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: and Yes Jihadists can vote, among other things, on the 14 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: ballots proposition ten, which simply says taxes should prohibit Sharia law. 15 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 1: If only Republican Texans voted, a call for banning Islam's toxic, 16 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: totalitarian and demonic ideology masquerading as a religion now being 17 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: insinuated into their state would pass overwhelmingly if they do 18 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: not turn out massively. However, our Sharia supremacist enemies may 19 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 1: well do so and significantly skew the vote. So it 20 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: behooves every patriotic Texan voter to turn out and say 21 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: yes to Prop ten and a Sharia free Texas. Ban 22 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: Sharia dot com. Those some my thoughts. For more of 23 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: them follow me at x and of course, at the 24 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: website of our Institute for the American Future Usfuture dot org. 25 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 1: You can make contributions that will make this program possible, 26 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: as well as much of the work that we're doing, 27 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: among other things here in the great state of Texas 28 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: to try to ban Sharia. The guest that I'm so 29 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: pleased to be able to present first to you all is, 30 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: as I mentioned, a great personal friend and hero of mine. 31 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:34,519 Speaker 1: That would be Debi Georgiadis. She is the Republican National 32 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 1: Committee woman for the state of Texas. There's only one 33 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,119 Speaker 1: of them, and she got elected to that role in 34 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: May and is being unbelievably formidable in terms of carrying 35 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 1: out her duties, not least of which of late, has 36 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: been to raise the alarm in this state about sharia, 37 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: the threat that it represents. Yes to Texas and it's 38 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: you know, values and it's freedoms, but also to our 39 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: nation as well, and she is leading a very concerted 40 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: effort to try to make sure that this proposition is approved. 41 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: Proposition ten on the Republican ballot down at the very 42 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: end of the ballot. So you have to look for it, 43 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: you have to get to the polls. You have to 44 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: do this as soon as possible. Early voting has begun 45 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: as we speak today, Debbie Georgie Otis, thank you so 46 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 1: much for finding time and what I know is a 47 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: crushingly busy schedule, among other things, traveling around the state 48 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: making addresses about this very problem. We're so pleased to 49 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: have you back. Give us an update. 50 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 2: Rank Jafney, thank you so very much for having me. 51 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 2: It's always great to see you and to talk with 52 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 2: your listeners. Yes, this is I have the thought this morning. 53 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 2: It's kind of like the feeling in college or law school, 54 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 2: even working, working, working, you're actually so glad the exam 55 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 2: day finally got here. Just get it over with. It's 56 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 2: kind of like this. In Texas, we have our primary 57 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 2: in Texas, the actual primary voting data is more third, 58 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 2: but we have early votings starting today, and for Texas voters, 59 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 2: you can vote anywhere in your county. I believe it 60 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 2: is in early voting, and of course we have significant 61 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 2: primary ballot decisions to make with candidates, we will us 62 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 2: Senate and our Attorney general, just many important races in 63 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 2: the ballot. But what we're talking about today are the 64 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:24,919 Speaker 2: propositions that there are actually ten of them in the 65 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 2: Texas ballot, and I think for people to get excited 66 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 2: and comfortable to vote yes on these, I would say 67 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 2: vote yes on all ten, but certainly number ten. We're 68 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 2: talking about the power of the reason these are so 69 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 2: important is because if there is a strong message sent 70 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 2: to elected officials all the way from the governor's office, 71 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:50,239 Speaker 2: lieutenant government, attorney general, state legislature, county government, city government, 72 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 2: that the Republican voters in Texas are sending a message 73 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 2: to them that we want them to take every constitutional 74 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 2: possible step to stop this implementation of Sharia in Texas. 75 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 2: And just so everyone understands, this is not going to 76 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 2: change the constitution. If you vote yes on the proposition 77 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 2: is it doesn't become law. It's simply a gauge, a 78 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 2: measure of the thought of the Republican voters in Texas. 79 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 2: And getting this on the ballot was a result of 80 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 2: a lot of work by representatives all around Texas has 81 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 2: been reviewed in the thought through and ended up being 82 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 2: with the language you said, Frank Kaffney, which is Texas 83 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 2: should prohibit Sharia law. It's vital that we send this 84 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 2: message that the people actually understand the issue and we 85 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 2: do not want Texas to go the way of UK 86 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 2: or other countries that have slowly and kind of unknowingly 87 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 2: submitted to sharia. 88 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 1: Now Wu, among other things, have studied the law. You 89 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: know very well that one of the central aspects of 90 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: our constant is Article six, which says very explicitly the 91 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: Constitution is the supreme law of the land. And yet 92 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 1: here in Texas it's not sort of a prospect. It's 93 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 1: happening that in so called tribunals in at least two 94 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 1: of the mosques in this state, at which there are hundreds, 95 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: Sharia is being used to adjudicate matters family law and 96 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: contracts and all manner of other things. How much of 97 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:42,239 Speaker 1: a problem is that, Debbie, And how does it tie 98 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:47,919 Speaker 1: into the sharia supremacist's agenda of making everybody conform to 99 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: this other set of laws, draconian, barbaric and toxic as 100 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 1: they are. 101 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 2: It's such a great point, Frank, I'm so glad you 102 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:59,799 Speaker 2: raised it. You know, for people who are not familiar 103 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 2: with Sharia, you might think it is just kind of 104 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 2: this set of religious beliefs, and lots of different religions 105 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 2: have their own thoughts. But Sharia is intended by i'd 106 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 2: call them jihadis, people who are trying to impose Islam 107 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 2: on the world. Sharia is intended to replace America's constitutions, 108 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 2: set of laws, the whole structure of laws. And you 109 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 2: can hear emams all over the country if you take 110 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 2: the time to look online. They're telling you, yes, we 111 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 2: do intend. These are Islamic emams in America telling Americans, yes, 112 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 2: we do intend ultimately to replace your law with Sharia, 113 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:40,559 Speaker 2: and as a surreptitious and incremental effort. But the better, 114 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 2: the best choice, the only way really to defend ourselves 115 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 2: is to stop it at the beginning, to nip it 116 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 2: in the butt, as the saying goes. For people needing 117 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 2: to understand why Sharia is so toxic, you mentioned courts 118 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 2: in Sharia, tribunals or courts in Texas. They actually deprive 119 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 2: Texas citizens women of the presumption of equal rights and 120 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 2: a quality before the law, because Sharia doesn't treat women. 121 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 2: Women are second class citizens, are pretty much property. They're 122 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 2: channel are not titled to the same notion of individual respect. 123 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 2: So that's one aspect of Sharia and the other for 124 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 2: everyone to understand. Besides it, the imams intend the Jihad 125 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 2: does intend to replace America's law with Sharia. 126 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: Is that. 127 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 2: Every step along the way that we concede to this 128 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,959 Speaker 2: is viewed as submission. We think we're being accommodating, we're 129 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 2: being in respectful of other religions. They see it as, 130 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 2: oh good, we've taken another steps towards forcing submission. Sharia 131 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 2: does not allow freedom of religion, does not allow freedom 132 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 2: of speech, does not allow women to be treated equally. 133 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 2: That's all you need to know. 134 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: Vote yes I Prop ten Debby. One other piece of 135 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:53,719 Speaker 1: this that I just wanted you to tease out is 136 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: this idea that we're dealing with a religion and that 137 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: it is somehow protected under our constitution. Could you speak 138 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: to that question. You've described this Charia business very differently, 139 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: is have I But how do you address that point 140 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: that's made by non Muslims in some cases as well 141 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: as Muslims. 142 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm sorry, Frank. The point that the Muslims are 143 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 2: making about. 144 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: That Sharia is just a religious practice and it's protected 145 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: by our constitution. 146 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 2: Okay, everyone has a First Amendment right to freedom of religion. 147 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 2: We love that in America. The First Amendment does not 148 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 2: protect conduct that's otherwise unlawful. You can't say we break 149 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 2: a law, but it's okay because our religion lets us. 150 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 2: And there is only camelony want and actually another theme 151 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 2: to keep in mind, one nation, one law, and Islam 152 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 2: is a religious belief, but it's also a military ideology, 153 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 2: a conquest ideology, a structure of laws and government. There's 154 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 2: no protection of the First Amendment at all of Sharia, 155 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 2: no protection, and Islam itself only have has protection with 156 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 2: respective beliefs. But you can't change laws or break laws 157 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 2: because you say my religion requires it. 158 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: Debbie, we have to go. Thank you for all your 159 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: great work, keep it up, come back to us with updates. 160 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:35,719 Speaker 1: God bless you. We're back and I couldn't be more 161 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: pleased to say we have with us one of the 162 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: people well on the ground here in Texas who is 163 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: very much engaged in the fight to keep Texas free 164 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:54,559 Speaker 1: of well among other hazards Sharia, and she is doing 165 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: it as she does everything with extraordinary skill and grace. 166 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: Her name as Cindy Caristia. She is the president of 167 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: the Texas chapter of a wonderful organization, the living legacy 168 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: of a dear friend of mine, Phyllis Schlaffley. It's called 169 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: Egle Forum, and the Texas branch of Egle Forum, under 170 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: both Cindy's able leadership and that of her predecessor, Tracy Bradford, 171 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: has been of surpassing importance both in this state and 172 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: I think in the country, because they take seriously the 173 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:34,839 Speaker 1: responsibility of citizens to be knowledgeable about the issues of 174 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: the day and to be engaged in trying to help 175 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 1: shape them to the betterment of our people, our constitutional republic, 176 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: and the free world more generally. And I couldn't be 177 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: more pleased to say Cindy is a dear friend of 178 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 1: mine as you may have gathered, as well as a 179 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: very valued colleague. And we're delighted to have you. Sindy. 180 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Securing America. 181 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 3: Thank you, Frank, glad to be here. 182 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: So we're talking about out as we were a moment 183 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: ago with another of our dear friends here in Texas. 184 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: W georgiatis what's happening with respect to something called Proposition 185 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: ten on the ballot of the Republican primary, which has 186 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: started in earnest with early voting as we speak today, Cindy, 187 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: give us a sense of the lay of the land 188 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 1: as you see it politically and in terms of the 189 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 1: substance of this issue. 190 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 3: Okay, Well, it's a very important issue, and we need 191 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 3: people to understand how important it is. So that's part 192 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 3: of what we do is work to educate people and 193 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:42,559 Speaker 3: let them know that our state and our nation are 194 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 3: at stake with this growth of Islam in Texas, and 195 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 3: so we've got to do some work to take back 196 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 3: things that we've let pass in the past. We fought them, 197 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 3: and we've got to make something stronger. But what we 198 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 3: really need are people's voices. Need people to go to 199 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 3: the polls vote for Proposition ten. That will elevate it 200 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:11,319 Speaker 3: within the Republican Party. We have the majority of legislators. 201 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 3: It tells them this is very important to the people 202 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 3: of Texas and the people of this party. And so 203 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 3: all of that movement starts with this proposition. 204 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 1: And I'm going to come back to this issue of 205 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: some of the other things that flow from the action 206 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: on the proposition. But just to drill down for a second, 207 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: you mentioned the growth of Islam in the state of Texas. It's, 208 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: of course, particularly of concern that it's not just people 209 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: who are Muslim who are moving into the state in 210 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 1: large numbers and building infrastructure cities in some cases of 211 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: certainly mosques and others, and you know all that goes 212 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: with that. But it's the growth of Sharia in this state. 213 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: I call it the totalitarian, toxic, demonic ideology of Islam. 214 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: That is what's most of concern, right, And that's what 215 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: this particular Proposition ten is trying to address, is it not? 216 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, we want this gone. I mean, we want 217 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 3: any precepts of Sharia law gone in Texas. We don't 218 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 3: want to do things that make it even comfortable for 219 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 3: them to live here. They have so many dictatorial rules 220 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 3: that they're supposed to live under, and their goal is 221 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 3: to force those on us. They want our dogs, they 222 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 3: hate our dogs. They don't want us to and they 223 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 3: don't want them. They don't want them to exist, they 224 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 3: don't want them to walk down the street. So many 225 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 3: things they don't want us to have free speech, women 226 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 3: don't have process. Really, people don't have due process. And 227 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 3: the whole all food we've got school just once they 228 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 3: bring this in, it gets hard for them to have 229 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 3: what are they going to have two kitchens and two suppliers, 230 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:11,359 Speaker 3: and so they are forcing food that has been basically 231 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 3: sacrificed to a false, satanic little g God, and our 232 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 3: children are eating that in some of our districts, which 233 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 3: the thought just makes me sick. They don't even understand 234 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 3: or know. 235 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, so let's talk a little bit about taking 236 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: all of that very much to heart. What happens in 237 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: the process here in Texas. Let's just say, for the 238 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: purpose of discussion, that there will be an affirmative vote 239 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: on Proposition ten. People have to again go to the 240 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: bottom of this very long ballot to find it. They 241 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: have to, you know, say yes to Proposition tens, which 242 00:15:56,280 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: simply says Texas should prohibit for real law. What happens 243 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: then in this so called precinct caucus operation and what 244 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: flows from it. 245 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 3: Okay, after our primary is over on March third, Different 246 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 3: counties have different dates, but within a few days that 247 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 3: night or within a few days, every Republican precinct will 248 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 3: meet and they will pass ideas resolutions through they will 249 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 3: pick their delegates for their senatorial district conventions, which are 250 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 3: the second step. Those happen on March twenty eighth, and 251 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 3: these resolutions will help enhance our platforms, speak to our platform. 252 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 3: They'll also be passing legislative priorities and we want them. 253 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: And that takes place at the next step. They say things, 254 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: and that's the convention. 255 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 3: Is that right, Yes, you can present them at your 256 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 3: precinct convention. They're elevated to the senatorial district level and 257 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 3: those the things that come out of that convention are 258 00:16:58,160 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 3: elevated to the state. 259 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: Can Okay, how does this actually work? Is there a 260 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: vote at the precinct level, and then on the basis 261 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: of an affirmative vote, they go on to the next level. 262 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 3: It really matters who shows up. The people that show 263 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,239 Speaker 3: up will will bring with them, will have on our 264 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:20,360 Speaker 3: Texas eagleforum dot com website. We will have some resolutions 265 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 3: posting in the next weeks to help people be ready, 266 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 3: you know, to take things into their convention. But they'll 267 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 3: they'll bring things in and it might be a simple thing, 268 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 3: you know, whereas Islam is dangerous to our American Constitution, 269 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 3: that Texas values our dogs, women's rights. So many things 270 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 3: will have resolutions, but they'll resolve that we ban sharia 271 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 3: in Texas and that we may get a legislator. 272 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: That's the bottom line. 273 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 3: That's the bottom line. 274 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: And then when the Convention acts on these things, does 275 00:17:56,359 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 1: it go to this so called State Republican Executive Committee 276 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: to translate it into a specific legislative direction to the 277 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: people serving in the state legislature. 278 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 3: What our Executive Committee does is they make committees to 279 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 3: oversee each legislative priority. And it's been a wonderful tool 280 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 3: because they will have committees that will look at every 281 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 3: bill that either furthers sharia, God forbid. You know, we 282 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 3: have some of those out there. We have people in 283 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:34,439 Speaker 3: Texes trying to further their ideals, and then we'll have 284 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 3: things looking to pull back to change to secure our state. 285 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 3: They'll look at those, they'll say, you know, the Republican 286 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 3: Party supports this or doesn't support it, and they will 287 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 3: work in the capital alongside organizations like ours and other 288 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 3: grassroots organizations to encourage it, really really push our legislators 289 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 3: to support the party's ideals. So it's a great system. 290 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 3: We are grass roots up at the Republican Party, and 291 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 3: so we let the grassroots do a lot of speaking 292 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:11,199 Speaker 3: in to legislative priorities, and so we need people to 293 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 3: show up and be part of this process and part 294 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 3: of elevating Proposition ten into law. And as they're doing it, 295 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 3: as they're learning more, as they're speaking to their neighbors, 296 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,880 Speaker 3: is they're outside on a healthy walk with their dog 297 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 3: and somebody stops to pet their dog. You know, they 298 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 3: say to them, do you know there's a movement in 299 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 3: Texas for this sharia law that will eventually not let 300 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 3: me walk my dog? You know, they hate dogs, And 301 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,479 Speaker 3: we just we educate all along the way until we 302 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 3: can get our movement making it untenable for an elected 303 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 3: official to vote to further Sharia. 304 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,919 Speaker 1: Well, Cindy Cassilla, you do an absolutely spectacular job of this. 305 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: Your teams are indispensable in the state legislative process, and 306 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,880 Speaker 1: as you say at the grassroots level, we're so grateful 307 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: to you for what you do, especially in this moment 308 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: when we need people to understand they need to turn 309 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:11,360 Speaker 1: out to vote for Proposition ten on the Republican primary 310 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: ballot sometime between now and the third of March. Don't 311 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 1: let this get away from any folks. It's too important. 312 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:17,679 Speaker 4: Thank you. 313 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: Come back to us soon, Cindy with updates Benchharia dot Com. 314 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: Be right back. Welcome back, and I'm delighted to say 315 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: welcome to one of our favorite guests and certainly one 316 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: of our most faithful contributors to this program and to 317 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: the work of the Committee on the Present Danger of China, 318 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: of which he is an important member. And that would 319 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 1: be a Colonel Grant Nusham, United States Marine Corps, retired, 320 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 1: a man who has the distinction of having also served 321 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: as a diplomat in our embassy in Tokyo, foreign Service 322 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 1: officer there. He's been a businessman in the Far East. 323 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 1: He's been one of the most astute and well assiduously 324 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: engaged analysts of what the Chinese Communist Party is up to, 325 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: insights from which he put into a best selling book 326 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: entitled When China Attacks Wanting to America. Colonel, it's always 327 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: a privilege to have you with us. A welcome back. 328 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 5: I'm glad to be here, Frank. 329 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: I'm especially anxious to get your thoughts on a topic 330 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: that we will be addressing in one of our committee 331 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: and the present danger of China webinars. I'm going to 332 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 1: ask you to permit us to make your interview with 333 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: us today a contribution to that webinar which will run 334 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: on Friday. It's about political warfare, Colonel. It's about the 335 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 1: use made of that form of unrestricted warfare against our 336 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: country by the Chinese Communist Party and some recent revelations 337 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,880 Speaker 1: by amazingly the State Department about the extent to which 338 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 1: this is being done with some very prominent American entities 339 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 1: like Code Pink and People's Forum. Tell us about the 340 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:37,679 Speaker 1: macro problem we face in this quarter, the specifics of 341 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: what we have now learned about the Chinese role with 342 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: these disreputable operations, and the extent to which we are 343 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:47,920 Speaker 1: in that game. 344 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 5: Sure, Frank, I'll try to put this into a larger context. 345 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 5: I watched a good bit of the hearings yesterday and 346 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,400 Speaker 5: read about the transcripts and the optimist if you wake 347 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 5: up and you want to cheer yourself up and say, 348 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 5: as well, finally somebody is talking about this. The China 349 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 5: Select Committee in Congress does excellent work, and the State 350 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,199 Speaker 5: Department as well. I can't recall hearing something like this. 351 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 5: You're getting very close and similar during the first Trump administration, 352 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 5: but before that or since, I'd never seen it, so 353 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,360 Speaker 5: that you know, it is a good thing to finally see. Now, 354 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 5: the bad news is that World War three has already 355 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 5: started and we're on the road to losing it. Now 356 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 5: you might say, well, how has it actually started, because 357 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 5: nobody's actually been shooting. Well, remember that there's two different 358 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 5: conceptions of war. You know, with us, unless you actually 359 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,120 Speaker 5: start shooting, you're not actually at war. To the Chinese, 360 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 5: the shooting part is just the very end, and they 361 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,360 Speaker 5: have been fighting and waging a very successful war against us. 362 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 5: It's not a shooting war, but it's a political war 363 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 5: and generally comes under the terms political warfare. Political warfare 364 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 5: is kind of an umbrella term for a number of 365 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 5: different activities. They're ranging from economic warfare, psychological warfare, drug warfare, 366 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 5: financial warfare, lawfare using the America's legal system against it, 367 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 5: a proxy warfare. And I'll just focus on a couple 368 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 5: of these because you see these at work through the 369 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 5: Code Pinks, the nevill Synhams of the world, and they 370 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:25,239 Speaker 5: have been very successful getting Americans to actually do their 371 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 5: jobs for them. If you look out in these riots 372 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 5: and look into their structures. There's no Chinese, very few 373 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 5: Chinese people to be found. They're behind the scenes. But 374 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 5: you have the people in your intended victim, your intended 375 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 5: target country actually doing the work for you. And this 376 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 5: has worked immensely well for the Chinese over the years. 377 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 5: You know, you ask yourself and how many times have 378 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 5: you heard American experts say, well, China is not really communist. Well, 379 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 5: all they want to do is make money. How many 380 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 5: times have you heard American businessmen CEOs say say Tim 381 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 5: Cook from well, we just have to be in China. 382 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,640 Speaker 5: We have to word about human rights, nothing at all. 383 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 5: You look at the American say the solar the green 384 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 5: energy industry, solar industry, Well, that Americans vented the technology. 385 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 5: The Chinese stole it, put its on sort of economic 386 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 5: sort of manufact giant manufacturing scale, and now they sell 387 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 5: the stuff into America and have put all the American 388 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 5: companies out of business. Now who is it that is 389 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 5: lobbying in Congress to ensure that the Chinese imports don't stop. Well, 390 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 5: that's America. That's China's American proxies, the law firms, the lobbyists, 391 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 5: and the people on Capitol Hill who to support China's interests. 392 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 5: So this proxy warfare has been immensely just immensely effective. 393 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,640 Speaker 5: And by doing all of this, you create a constituency 394 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 5: in the United States which is pro China or sees 395 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:57,640 Speaker 5: pro China as where its paycheck comes from. And at 396 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 5: that point you can see how deftly China has gone 397 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 5: about actually. 398 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 4: Hurting us. 399 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 5: And you look at the economic warfares, well we'll throw 400 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 5: in that. You know, look consider of the last thirty years. Well, 401 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 5: we've moved so much of our manufacturing to China, and 402 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 5: you've hollowed out American cities, American neighborhoods, Americans, separated Americans 403 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 5: from their lives, and that was all done as a 404 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 5: result of successful Chinese political warfare. And you've got Americans 405 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 5: to think we have to be in China. China is 406 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 5: not our enemy, it's our friend. And this is creating 407 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 5: a dependency. And because if we want things made, well, 408 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 5: so much of it has to be made in China. 409 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 5: If we want drugs, well China makes most of them. 410 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 5: If we want the so called critical minerals that you 411 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 5: need for everything from iPhones to F thirty five fighters, 412 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 5: well it comes from China. We're dependent. You saw how 413 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 5: effective this was a year ago when President Trump came 414 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 5: into office and he tried to really get tough on China. 415 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 5: Remember he put tariffs up to one hundred and forty percent, 416 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 5: suggested they might even go higher. Well, the Chinese said, 417 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 5: well not so fast, Donald, We have these rare earths 418 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 5: and without them, your business is shut down. And you 419 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 5: had major CEOs coming into the White House saying, look, 420 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 5: we got two weeks or were closed down. And that 421 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 5: caused President Trump to stop in his tracks and even 422 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,199 Speaker 5: back up. And that shows you just how effective the 423 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 5: war has been. They didn't have to fire a shot, 424 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,719 Speaker 5: They didn't have to deploy the People's Liberation Army. They 425 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,160 Speaker 5: had just built up through successful political warfare, the economic 426 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 5: end of it, the psychological warfare end of it, the 427 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 5: strength that really handcuffed the United States. Trying to get 428 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 5: out of it is proving very hard. And part of 429 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 5: the another thing that you try to do is to 430 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 5: you want to destroy, You want to break down your opponent, 431 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 5: you know, the so called entropic warfare. You want to 432 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 5: cause friction, you want to make Americans start to see 433 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 5: each other. Is the enemies, and that is where the 434 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:08,719 Speaker 5: groups like code Pink, but the Tides organization and go 435 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 5: back to Black Lives Matter Antifa, Well, this goes bad. 436 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,199 Speaker 5: That Chinese connections go back to the sixties with the 437 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:20,120 Speaker 5: Black Panthers. If anyone bothers to look, Michael Wahler from 438 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 5: Center for Security Policy does excellent work on this. But 439 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 5: the Chinese connections are there and you just have to 440 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 5: look at it. But think of the harm that that 441 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 5: has done. You know, when you have Americans really starting 442 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,880 Speaker 5: to hate each other, when you have American cities in flames, well, 443 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 5: how much better does it get from the Chinese perspective? 444 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 5: And once again they haven't had to, as it, deploy 445 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 5: the military to do this at all. Now back to 446 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 5: the proxy examples, and there's really no no limit to those. 447 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 5: I would, in fact argue that one of the most 448 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 5: successful ones besides Hunter Biden probably was actually Hank Paulson, 449 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 5: the former Goldman Sachs executive with Secretary of Treasury. He 450 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,959 Speaker 5: did more to help kind of build up its financial system, 451 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 5: its economy, and probably anyone in America and his pet agreed, 452 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 5: you know, a decent guy, but you know, the Chinese 453 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 5: very successfully worked on him. And you appeal to American greed, vanity, naivete. 454 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 5: And really, when there's a certain type of America and 455 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 5: you find a lot of them on Wall Street, when 456 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 5: they smell money, they act like a sea lie in 457 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 5: a SeaWorld who thinks he's going to get a macro snack, 458 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 5: turned themselves into pretzels. But TikTok is another good example. Now, 459 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 5: the Indians banned TikTok in about seventy two hours, about 460 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 5: four or five years ago, after they had a fight 461 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 5: with the Chinese up on the northern border. We can't 462 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 5: figure how tou to do that. And when you saw 463 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 5: this is a while back the president of CEO of 464 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 5: excuse me of TikTok testifying before Congress, and he was 465 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 5: of course saying the things they would say. But the 466 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 5: most interesting thing, the most telling was behind him was 467 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 5: a pheleanx of lawyers and lawyers and lobbyists, all white 468 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 5: people Americans who were there to do the Chinese Communist 469 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 5: Party's bidding. And that is successful warfare. Imagine if you 470 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 5: could turn all this on its head, we could do 471 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 5: that to them. We would be patting ourselves on the 472 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 5: back to no end. We would have far less concerns 473 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 5: about China because we would know that they are nowhere 474 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 5: near the military or economic threat that they should be 475 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 5: nor psychologically prepared to take us on. Additionally, is one outcome. 476 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 5: It's an aspect of political warfare. I mentioned drug warfare, fentanyl. 477 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 5: We talk about this all the time. It's killed well 478 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 5: over seven hundred and fifty thousand Americans since about twenty thirteen. 479 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 5: And that's the dead. The wounded are many times more so. 480 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 5: Every year China takes two or three divisions off the 481 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 5: battlefield for US. What has the American response been Nothing? 482 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 5: Capitol Hill has never put any serious punishment on the 483 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 5: Chinese for doing this. And that is successful political warfare. 484 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: So get. 485 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 5: To Chinese its war to us, Well, it hasn't started 486 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 5: because there's no shooting. And all we have to do 487 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 5: is talk to them. If we engage, negotiate, understand their position, 488 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 5: or we can work something out, well we'll discover we're 489 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 5: wrong about that at some point where we either cannot 490 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 5: move or that we find ourselves under attack and there's 491 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 5: nothing that we can do now. Another example of how 492 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 5: successful this has been is that until twenty seventeen, in 493 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 5: the US military you couldn't even say China was an adversary. 494 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 5: You couldn't use the word adversary. You certainly couldn't say enemy. 495 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 5: So it wasn't until mister Trump came along that finally 496 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 5: you could say this, despite the evidence being clear for 497 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 5: thirty years. And once again, this is the outcome of 498 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 5: successful political warfare. So the Code Pinks, the Neville Sinker, Singhams, 499 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 5: these are one front in a multi front war that's 500 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 5: being waged against us. Now you'd think, well, man, they're 501 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 5: doing this to us, Well, certainly we're doing that to them. Well, actually, 502 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 5: the bad news is we're not. We don't even have 503 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 5: a political warfare scheme, a strategy. We don't do it. 504 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 5: And you must say, well, somewhere, no, it isn't. We 505 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 5: just don't do. 506 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 1: It, Colonel Newsham. We have to leave it at that. 507 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 1: What a splendid depiction. Albeit break my heart to hear 508 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 1: you say it, but we need, nonetheless to confront it 509 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: and take corrective action. God bless you, my friend. Come 510 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 1: back with to us with Doc Bates soon. We'll be 511 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 1: right back. Books, stay tuned, We're back, and so is 512 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: our dear friend and very valued Chairman of the Board 513 00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 1: of the Institute for the American Future. Of which I'm 514 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 1: to be the president. That would be Rod Martin. Rod 515 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: is a man of considerable accomplishment, both in the public sector, 516 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 1: notably as the policy advisor to then Governor of Arkansas 517 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 1: Mike Huckabee, who's gone on to other things, commendably as 518 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: the US Ambassador to Israel at the moment. Rod has 519 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 1: also been wildly successful in business. He was one of 520 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: the PayPal mafia at the founding of that epic enterprise, 521 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 1: and these days he's doing business in his own right, 522 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 1: but also keeping his hand on religious matters with his 523 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: Southern Baptist Convention, as well as the public policy arena 524 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: with our institute. And we couldn't be more grateful for 525 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: his visits with us each week, especially at a time 526 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 1: such as this. Welcome back, Rod, Good to have you 527 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: with us. 528 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 4: Great to be here. 529 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: I wanted to start by picking up on a theme 530 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:59,479 Speaker 1: of the program at the beginning. We are as we 531 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 1: speak and day one of early voting in the Republican primary, well, 532 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 1: I say, the nominally Republican primary. It is an open primary, 533 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 1: and Republicans will be voting in some numbers, of course, 534 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:20,439 Speaker 1: but may also have others weighing in. To tell them 535 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 1: who should be their candidates for various high offices, and 536 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 1: not least why the proposition ten that says simply Texas 537 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:36,760 Speaker 1: should prohibit Sharia law should not pass. And I'm anxious 538 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:41,800 Speaker 1: to get your thoughts on both the point that Sharia 539 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 1: should be prohibited not just in the state of Texas 540 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:49,799 Speaker 1: but across the country, but also this idea that some 541 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 1: good comes of having people who basically seek the defeat 542 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:59,399 Speaker 1: of the Republican Party in every aspect telling them how 543 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 1: to run their they're you know, nominations as well as 544 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:04,760 Speaker 1: their policy position. 545 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 4: Sir, well, to start with of coursieri a, laws should 546 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 4: be banned. But let's be very clear what we're saying. 547 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 4: We're not saying religious practice should be banned until and 548 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 4: unless it violates some principle of American law. So sorry, 549 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 4: no honor killings here, We're not doing that. And and 550 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 4: you know, and you can go on from there. But 551 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 4: the issue really isn't what people do privately in their 552 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,479 Speaker 4: own home or their own mosque. The issue is where 553 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 4: it impinges on the rights of others and where a 554 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 4: foreign antithetical to American life legal system is being imposed 555 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,719 Speaker 4: as a parallel legal system on masses of people, and 556 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 4: we're seeing that in a number of parts of the country. 557 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 4: So of course Texas is right to ban this. I'm 558 00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,840 Speaker 4: sure if they are successful in doing so, we'll go 559 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 4: through all kinds of court challenges over the exact issues 560 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 4: I just identified, but ultimately should succeed because this is 561 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 4: well trod ground in American law. You don't get to 562 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:15,799 Speaker 4: use religion to subvert the American system, and also the 563 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 4: American government must not subvert religion. So you know that 564 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,800 Speaker 4: dynamic tension has always existed, and we've always had that 565 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 4: legal debate. I think the lines are pretty clear. 566 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: The problem I kind of to say on this point 567 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:29,879 Speaker 1: because I want to sure what you have to say 568 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 1: on the other of course, But on this point, Rod, 569 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 1: I think an emphasis that we've been making here in 570 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:40,719 Speaker 1: Texas trying to help people understand what sharia is and 571 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: why it should be banned, is that it's not a religion. 572 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: It is a tutalitarian political ideology. And it is especially 573 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: the case as you say, that those things that by 574 00:36:55,280 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 1: definition impinge upon freedom and undermine our constitution, republic and 575 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 1: the rest are not protected by that constitution. 576 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 4: Right. No, and if we want, if we had a 577 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 4: Christian denomination that wanted to impose some some crazy belief. Okay, 578 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,919 Speaker 4: we're we're going to execute everyone who didn't come from 579 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 4: such and such country. Well, that isn't good Christianity for starters. 580 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 4: But you could have someone who cloaked in religion some absurd, 581 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 4: obscene demand, and that would not be constitutional. That is 582 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 4: not protected free exercise of religion. And that's what sharia is. 583 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,520 Speaker 4: Sharia as long as it's your private moral code that 584 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,440 Speaker 4: does not impinge on the rights of other human beings, 585 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,760 Speaker 4: so be it. And you can believe what you want, 586 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,759 Speaker 4: and you can talk about it, and you try to 587 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,840 Speaker 4: persuade everybody to agree to it. All of that is fine. 588 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,360 Speaker 4: But what you can't do is impose a legal code 589 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:12,279 Speaker 4: that is absolutely anathetical to the idea of America and 590 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 4: force people under its yoke. That's what they're trying to do. 591 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,759 Speaker 4: That's what they're trying to do in Detroit and Dearborn 592 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,320 Speaker 4: and Minneapolis and lots of parts of the country now. 593 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,759 Speaker 4: And it's just somebody's got to draw a line coll 594 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 4: a halt. That's what the Texas Republicans are trying to do. 595 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,680 Speaker 1: Amen and need to so Rod, You've had a background, 596 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 1: as I mentioned in politics. Talk to me about this 597 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:41,880 Speaker 1: idea that open primaries is the way to run a 598 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 1: political party in this country. 599 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,360 Speaker 4: Well, I've been very active in politics. I was on 600 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,440 Speaker 4: the College Republican National Committee. I was one of the 601 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,800 Speaker 4: youngest ever members of the Executive Committee of the Republican 602 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,320 Speaker 4: Party of Arkansas. I've been president of the National Federation 603 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,799 Speaker 4: of Republican Assemblies, done a bunch of stuff, and in 604 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,360 Speaker 4: all of those cases, we keep coming back to the 605 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 4: same problem our Texas friends are having, which is the 606 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 4: scourge of open primaries. There's always some Democrat wanting to 607 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 4: have open primaries so that they can flood Democrat activists 608 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 4: into the Republican primary and pick our nominee for us. 609 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 4: It is every bit as corrupt in principle, not necessarily 610 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,600 Speaker 4: an intent. All the time Greg Abbott is for open primaries. 611 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 4: I can't imagine why he would be for open primaries, 612 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:39,240 Speaker 4: but I'm sure it's a good faith argument, just mistaken. Nevertheless, 613 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,480 Speaker 4: this is an old argument We've been having my whole lifetime, 614 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,440 Speaker 4: and I've always been on the side of I don't 615 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,560 Speaker 4: want a bunch of Muslims coming to my church and 616 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,319 Speaker 4: voting for my pastor. They wouldn't want a bunch of 617 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 4: Baptists coming to their mosque and voting for their mom. 618 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 4: Why would I want a bunch of Democrats Independence coming 619 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:05,400 Speaker 4: into my party primary and picking my candidates, let. 620 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,359 Speaker 1: Alone gee Hottists, which is what I think are going 621 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,719 Speaker 1: to be turning out in sizeable numbers here. That's the 622 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,560 Speaker 1: thing that's really chilling. And Rod, I guess we understand 623 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,239 Speaker 1: why those guys would want to have a vote in 624 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,560 Speaker 1: the Republican primary, but what the Republicans would see and 625 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,640 Speaker 1: that I just can't figure. We'll talking more about all 626 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,120 Speaker 1: of this on the other side of a very short 627 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,600 Speaker 1: break with the great Rod Martin. Follow his great work 628 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,799 Speaker 1: at Rod Martin Reports Rod Martin dot Org. We'll be 629 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:54,919 Speaker 1: right back. Welcome back. We're talking with Rod Martin, the 630 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,120 Speaker 1: chairman of the board of the Institute for the American Future, 631 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,560 Speaker 1: for which I'm profoundly grateful as I am the president 632 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:06,200 Speaker 1: and very much value his leadership in this organization as 633 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,000 Speaker 1: well as his contributions to the program that the Institute 634 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,959 Speaker 1: makes possible, which is securing America. Think about donating if 635 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,440 Speaker 1: you would, It's vital to the work that we do. 636 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:19,840 Speaker 1: Both at the Institute, and I think for the public 637 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:26,520 Speaker 1: good by broadcasting information with wonderful guests like Rod Martin. Rod, 638 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,680 Speaker 1: we've been talking about internal politics. I want to talk 639 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:36,400 Speaker 1: about a matter of foreign politics, specifically the government of Iran, 640 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:42,960 Speaker 1: and whether there is not only an urgent need, but 641 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:51,080 Speaker 1: an actual America first argument for the end of the 642 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:59,319 Speaker 1: brutally repressive, totalitarian religious tyranny of the Mulahs that is 643 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:03,120 Speaker 1: not only been a horror for the people of Iran, 644 00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:07,960 Speaker 1: but that has from its inception threatened ours. You actually 645 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,720 Speaker 1: have a piece at Rodmartin dot Org by a guest 646 00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:16,759 Speaker 1: author that makes exactly that case. Tuktos about it if 647 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:17,080 Speaker 1: you would. 648 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,479 Speaker 4: These opportunities don't come around that often. You know, what 649 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:27,440 Speaker 4: we're talking about is not a big Bush era invasion. 650 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,920 Speaker 4: You're not talking about a bunch of American troops occupying 651 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,920 Speaker 4: Iran for twenty years and fighting insurgeons. That's not what 652 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:39,960 Speaker 4: we're talking about. The Iranian people have risen, hundreds of 653 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:45,160 Speaker 4: thousands in the streets, tens of thousands murdered, unarmed peaceful 654 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:50,000 Speaker 4: protesters murdered by the regime, some of them in their 655 00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:53,799 Speaker 4: hospital beds, taken to the hospital for treatment for their 656 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,920 Speaker 4: injuries at the hands of the secret police, and then 657 00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:01,479 Speaker 4: shot in their beds in the hospital. This horrifying. These 658 00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:06,120 Speaker 4: people who run around are and always have been the 659 00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,920 Speaker 4: worst of the worst for forty seven years, and they 660 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:14,080 Speaker 4: have been a scourge on the earth. They are twelvers. 661 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,960 Speaker 4: Twelver is an interesting term. Not many people know it. 662 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:23,320 Speaker 4: It's an eschatological position. You'll run into Christians who believe 663 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,759 Speaker 4: that Jesus is going to return any minute now, possibly 664 00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,719 Speaker 4: next Tuesday, and he's going to establish his kingdom. What 665 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:35,560 Speaker 4: you don't have, is, as in the twelvers, a belief 666 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:40,239 Speaker 4: that it is their duty as Muslims to burn down 667 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:46,120 Speaker 4: the world to bring on their Messiah. That's a completely 668 00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:50,840 Speaker 4: different thing. So mutual assured destruction can't work with people 669 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:56,080 Speaker 4: who actively want a nuclear war. That's that's crazy, and 670 00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,280 Speaker 4: it would be crazy to let these people have the bomb, 671 00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:02,000 Speaker 4: something that Donald Trump is under stood incredibly well. Between 672 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:06,520 Speaker 4: twenty eleven and the Twelve Day War, he said fifty 673 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:10,480 Speaker 4: eight separate times in public, we will never allow Iran 674 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,439 Speaker 4: to have a nuclear weapon. Well, that's right, and now 675 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:17,720 Speaker 4: the people are rising. So if America can do the things, 676 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:22,800 Speaker 4: be the decision maker, be the guys who actually tip 677 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,000 Speaker 4: the scales in favor of the people in the streets. 678 00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:31,399 Speaker 4: We can have a democratic, free Iran that quits terrorizing 679 00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,640 Speaker 4: its neighbors, and the entire level of tensions in the 680 00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:39,560 Speaker 4: Middle East just drops to nearly nothing overnight as a 681 00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,160 Speaker 4: result of which American forces don't have to be all 682 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,360 Speaker 4: over the Middle East and we can focus on China. 683 00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's where the America first piece comes in, 684 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:53,400 Speaker 1: is that it is in our interest to see those 685 00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:57,800 Speaker 1: kinds of tectonic changes take place in the Middle East. 686 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,359 Speaker 1: Will benefit as well. Of course, even some who are 687 00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:07,200 Speaker 1: currently saying no, no, no, don't change the regime like the Saudis, 688 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:11,520 Speaker 1: for heaven's sakes. But it's an opportunity. As you say, 689 00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:15,239 Speaker 1: it doesn't come along very often that you have this 690 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:20,200 Speaker 1: kind of correlation of forces. So, Rod, you are nothing 691 00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:24,960 Speaker 1: if not gimlet eyed when it comes to assessing the 692 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:31,239 Speaker 1: realities of situations. As we speak, two people in whom 693 00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,719 Speaker 1: I must say I don't have a whole lot of confidence, 694 00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:39,560 Speaker 1: Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner, notwithstanding Jared's contributions to the 695 00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:44,279 Speaker 1: Abraham Accords, which I think were important. But you have 696 00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:52,719 Speaker 1: these two guys parleying with the Iranian foreign minister, suggesting 697 00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:57,120 Speaker 1: that President Trump is still hankering after some sort of deal. 698 00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:58,799 Speaker 1: I mean, he said it just the other day that 699 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:03,680 Speaker 1: you know, to be good to have a deal. He 700 00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:07,120 Speaker 1: has also said just the other day that the best 701 00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,160 Speaker 1: thing that could happen is the end of this regime. 702 00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,560 Speaker 1: What do you think is the bottom line? What's he 703 00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,200 Speaker 1: going to do and how soon do you think he 704 00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:15,839 Speaker 1: might do it? 705 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,320 Speaker 4: The bottom line is that Donald Trump has stated three 706 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:25,520 Speaker 4: non negotiable points that the Iranians have declared non discussable, 707 00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,719 Speaker 4: so they seem to be giving a little bit of 708 00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,920 Speaker 4: ground on one of the three, but Trump has been 709 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,360 Speaker 4: clear it's all three. I mean, we aren't doing a 710 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,920 Speaker 4: deal that doesn't include all three points, and. 711 00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:46,400 Speaker 1: The three being ballistic missiles and terrorism. Yeah, and the 712 00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:47,200 Speaker 1: nuclear weapons. 713 00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,440 Speaker 4: Of course here in Richmond, you gotta actually curtail the 714 00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:55,160 Speaker 4: ballistic missile program, and you actually have to stop funding 715 00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,840 Speaker 4: all the proxies like Casbala and Hamas and the hoofies. 716 00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,960 Speaker 4: That's all got us. They're never going to agree to that. 717 00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:06,560 Speaker 4: They can't agree to that. So yeah, this is buying time. 718 00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:11,239 Speaker 4: I mean, the Trump administration gets to rightly say that 719 00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:15,080 Speaker 4: they did everything they could to get this to a 720 00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:19,000 Speaker 4: peaceful resolution and then law and behold, it didn't happen, 721 00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,640 Speaker 4: and we're going to hit them. And that's exactly what 722 00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,160 Speaker 4: happened in the Twelve Day War. You know, Trump gave 723 00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:28,080 Speaker 4: them sixty days to negotiate a deal. On day sixty one, 724 00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:34,160 Speaker 4: the Israelis started striking around, and of course the capstone 725 00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,359 Speaker 4: of all of that was US destroying the installations at 726 00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:41,719 Speaker 4: Fideau and Isfahan. So you know, Trump has a history here. 727 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:47,480 Speaker 4: The guys saying Taco are just inventing their own narrative 728 00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,960 Speaker 4: that doesn't bear relationship to reality. It is true that 729 00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,960 Speaker 4: the president stakes out in maximalist's positions and then negotiates 730 00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:59,080 Speaker 4: to something everybody can live with, but that's when you 731 00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,759 Speaker 4: can avoid a war. You can't avoid a war with 732 00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,719 Speaker 4: these guys. It's just a matter of win. So it 733 00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:07,719 Speaker 4: might as well be now when the people are in 734 00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:08,360 Speaker 4: the streets. 735 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, Taco, of course stands for Trump always chickens out, 736 00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,319 Speaker 1: and we trust in this case that will not be 737 00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,680 Speaker 1: the case by any means. Thank you, Rod Martin, Thanks 738 00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:21,279 Speaker 1: for what you do at Rod Martin dot org, and 739 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,440 Speaker 1: of course at the Institute for the American Future, keep 740 00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,560 Speaker 1: it up, come back to us again very soon. Hope 741 00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:27,279 Speaker 1: the rest of you do the same next time. Until then, 742 00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:28,800 Speaker 1: go forth and multiply