Speaker 1: Okay, so today's introduction is kind of like a post introduction.
Speaker 1: So we're coming at the end of the episode because
Speaker 1: I fucked up in this episode. I fucked up. I
Speaker 1: didn't even introduce my next guest. We just were off
Speaker 1: to the races, me and this brilliant man and his
Speaker 1: brilliant mind, and I at the end of the episode
Speaker 1: was like, shit, I didn't even introduce you. I, if
Speaker 1: you can imagine, didn't even ask him who or what
Speaker 1: he wants to say thanks to. Will never know spoiler,
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Speaker 1: wants to say thanks to. But I can tell you
Speaker 1: who my next guest is. I didn't do it in
Speaker 1: front of them, didn't do this beautiful intro in front
Speaker 1: of them, which would have been so delicious too. But anyway,
Speaker 1: I'm doing it now because that's what you, as the
Speaker 1: listener deserve, that's what my guest deserves, and I demand justice.
Speaker 1: I fucked up, and I'm the one who demanded justice.
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Speaker 1: but you will like this conversation. I feel really confident. Anyway,
Speaker 1: time for me to talk to Jason Biggs and you
Speaker 1: to watch and or listen. Do you know that? Do
Speaker 1: you know the Gucci main song where he goes I
Speaker 1: think the song is Roland. I had never done drugs
Speaker 1: and still then I've had marijuana before and a mushroom chocolate?
Speaker 2: Is that really? It?
Speaker 1: Is? That? Really? It? Yeah? Which is that sad? Do
Speaker 1: you think I'm missing out?
Speaker 2: Drugs are fun? Drugs are fun, but.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I mean I kind of wish that I
Speaker 3: lived my life in a in a more sort of
Speaker 3: chill manner to the point where it's like, I, yeah,
Speaker 3: I could do with mushroom chocolate here or there, smoke
Speaker 3: a little weed and take it or leave it. I mean,
Speaker 3: is that kind of your attitude with it?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm the exact opposite. I'm a sober alcoholic and
Speaker 3: drug addict and I love drugs and alcohol.
Speaker 1: Okay, and I up yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: They're fucking great when they served me well for a
Speaker 3: long time because.
Speaker 1: They did serve you well, yes say okay, yeah, yeah no, because.
Speaker 3: I mean it was you know you you it was
Speaker 3: it helped me. I did not want to be present,
Speaker 3: and I did not I wanted to ignore the bad
Speaker 3: ship and have fun and.
Speaker 2: And so yeah, no, it was. There's a you know,
Speaker 2: there's a reason people get, you know, into them.
Speaker 1: Yes, you're good, you're good.
Speaker 2: Do you have until they're terrible?
Speaker 1: Right? And that's like when it's like too much? Because
Speaker 1: everything in moderation they serve, right.
Speaker 2: That's what that's what that's what they say.
Speaker 1: They who the who are they?
Speaker 2: Who are they?
Speaker 1: Yourselves?
Speaker 2: I did not listen to them when I first partook
Speaker 2: of drugs and alcohol and I went, I went flying
Speaker 2: rolling the other direction.
Speaker 1: So that's right, which I thought. He meant like, are
Speaker 1: you coming with us? Right?
Speaker 2: I'm tagging along?
Speaker 1: Yes the longest time, I mean fifteen years later, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's what, And now all the verses of the song
Speaker 1: make sense. Do you have addicts in your family?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, in uh not in the you know, I think
Speaker 3: it's that that that part of the brain that sort
Speaker 3: of U that that that compulsive part of the brain
Speaker 3: that is sort of I think there's a connection, whether
Speaker 3: it's food or shopping, all the addiction. I'm sorry, sorry,
Speaker 3: but there is a sorry Hollywood's Holly.
Speaker 1: They literally don't ever call me. How do I get
Speaker 1: them to call me? I'll tell them please reach out?
Speaker 3: No, I I yeah, there's I mean, there's clearly like
Speaker 3: a connection that part of the brain. I know, people
Speaker 3: with food stuff and I even I have. You know,
Speaker 3: for me, it's been whack a mole, Like I got
Speaker 3: rid of drugs and alcohol, but it pops up in
Speaker 3: other ways. I know when my brain starts getting into
Speaker 3: that sort of space that could be a little bit
Speaker 3: dangerous and it presents in different ways for me. But yeah,
Speaker 3: so I have people in my family and my life
Speaker 3: that it has reared its head in different ways and
Speaker 3: at different points in their lives. So I recognize some
Speaker 3: of those tendencies in other people in my life. But
Speaker 3: I would say I'm the only person. I think that's
Speaker 3: not true. I have a sibling who's sort of dealt
Speaker 3: with it and addressed it, but yeah, I'm kind of
Speaker 3: the one who's, like, you know, gone twelve step program.
Speaker 3: And not to say that anyone else needs it, but
Speaker 3: my version of my addiction had gotten too extreme for
Speaker 3: me to be able to live my life in a
Speaker 3: way that you know, I could be a good person, parent, friend,
Speaker 3: et cetera.
Speaker 2: Yeah, coworker, what have you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you said that, like you can sense yourself when
Speaker 1: the compulsions are arising, and you kind of know how
Speaker 1: to get ahead of it. Now, So beyond the twelve
Speaker 1: step program, what are other ways you sort of cope
Speaker 1: and keep yourself centered rounded?
Speaker 2: It's a great question, I am. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Uh, friends, Like you know, like fellowship is the sort
Speaker 3: of the AA term, but like it is, it's a
Speaker 3: you know, I first, I I first tried to get
Speaker 3: sober My son is twelve and a half, so when
Speaker 3: my wife was pregnant with him, so over thirteen years.
Speaker 2: Ago, and.
Speaker 3: I, uh, part of the reason why I couldn't stay
Speaker 3: sober I kept relapsing is I would go to the AA,
Speaker 3: I would go to meetings and stuff, but then I
Speaker 3: would never First of all, I didn't yeah, I didn't
Speaker 3: like get a sponsor or do the steps or any
Speaker 3: of the sort of the quote unquote work. But also
Speaker 3: the biggest thing was I wouldn't hang out with anybody
Speaker 3: who who was like minded or had was going through
Speaker 3: a similar thing.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I'd go to the meetings and.
Speaker 3: People would come up to me and say hello and
Speaker 3: try to you know, hey, let's hang out, you want
Speaker 3: my number, whatever, But I was so like hat down
Speaker 3: hood up, kind of in the back, you know, would
Speaker 3: leave before the very end, so I didn't have to
Speaker 3: engage with anybody.
Speaker 2: I was just very you know.
Speaker 3: It was the same reason I I my drinking and
Speaker 3: drugging got so bad. Partly was because I isolates. That
Speaker 3: was sort of my Yeah, I would I would just
Speaker 3: sort of retreat inward. Yeah, And I kept doing that
Speaker 3: even when I first tried to get sober and so naturally,
Speaker 3: I just continued to relapse and.
Speaker 2: It didn't work for me. So yeah, so call somebody.
Speaker 3: I call, you know, if I feel myself getting squirrely,
Speaker 3: you know, I'll I'll call another alcoholic or even just
Speaker 3: a friend. Yeah, there's someone I can could just get
Speaker 3: out of my own space. Ask somebody else how they're doing.
Speaker 3: Let me hear your story, tell me, because you know
Speaker 3: what perspective is important and like it.
Speaker 2: It's it's just not all about me. That's the thing.
Speaker 2: When I'm drinking and drugging, it's just all about me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I care about anyone else or anything else.
Speaker 2: I just want to focus on myself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's easy to get in that space for I
Speaker 1: feel like even a non alcoholic, there's so much in
Speaker 1: there's it's yeah, to isolate and to especially this.
Speaker 2: Day, especially now, because we all have a new drug.
Speaker 1: Is it this drug?
Speaker 2: It is that drug.
Speaker 1: Hollywood is not calling me, but this drug it's.
Speaker 3: Still there's there's still some some highs you can get.
Speaker 2: It's from that little device.
Speaker 1: It's true. I just moved my last night before bed.
Speaker 1: I have not gotten text notifications and they've not been
Speaker 1: on on my phone in prop I'm gonna say eleven years.
Speaker 2: And is that all the time I go or just
Speaker 2: at night like you said all the time?
Speaker 1: Wow? No, So like I you.
Speaker 3: Have to go actively to your text message app to see,
Speaker 3: oh who's checking out?
Speaker 1: Yes, like the red bubble would give me anxiety. So
Speaker 1: like there's been eleven years no notifications. But the problem
Speaker 1: is now I know I need to go to my
Speaker 1: text messaging app to see who's texted, and I can
Speaker 1: do that compulsively, right, So like it really worked for
Speaker 1: a while, and then of course my brain adjusted and
Speaker 1: is like, well, now we'll just be going to text.
Speaker 1: So last night it didn't even occur to me. I
Speaker 1: was like, you can move that text messaging app from
Speaker 1: the top left corner. It's the number one. I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm putting it on page four of my homepage. And
Speaker 1: then I'm going to this notification center and saying, do
Speaker 1: not even suggest I opened this, and while we're here,
Speaker 1: don't suggest I open Instagram either.
Speaker 2: And while we're also here, stop yelling at me, yeah phone, yes,
Speaker 2: tell me what to do.
Speaker 1: And then shaming my own Yeah, imagine I bought you. You
Speaker 1: just supposed to serve me, and you're gonna shame me
Speaker 1: every Sunday and tell me your phone use this week.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you're up twenty seven percent from last week.
Speaker 2: That possible, But I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't do this this week, and I didn't open
Speaker 1: that up this week. And I'm like, I didn't imagine
Speaker 1: this little shaming device we have. But I do think
Speaker 1: fellowship is so important and it's something that I it's
Speaker 1: so easy to forget and neglect. And again, because we
Speaker 1: have these devices and we all have the things that
Speaker 1: are that we ruminate on, it's it's so easy to isolate.
Speaker 1: But I find it really interesting. So tell me if
Speaker 1: I misinterpreted this moment. When you said fellowship, there was
Speaker 1: this kind of sort of like indication from you nonverbally
Speaker 1: that it's cheesy, that like the word is cheesy, like's
Speaker 1: what we say and A did you feel that.
Speaker 2: A little bit? Yeah?
Speaker 3: And also I think I was cringing a little because
Speaker 3: I was trying to sort of get away from sort
Speaker 3: of give you an example that was separate from the
Speaker 3: grant from AA in the program. And then but the
Speaker 3: word fellowship is very program centric, so I was I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, fellowship, but but friendship friends people other people,
Speaker 3: the idea being.
Speaker 2: It's just not all about you.
Speaker 3: And if you can give yourself, give your time to
Speaker 3: someone else and and ask questions and you know, like
Speaker 3: it's it's doesn't have to be another alcoholic, you know,
Speaker 3: just like get out of this for this is this is,
Speaker 3: this wants to bring me down.
Speaker 1: It's so crazy, little enemy inside you wild and I
Speaker 1: there's been times when I've been down myself and I go,
Speaker 1: what am I gonna do? What am I going to do?
Speaker 1: And because you know, I'll probably shop impulsively, and they
Speaker 1: make it way too easy, too easy, too easy Apple pay,
Speaker 1: the game of paying for things. I'm like, that's real money.
Speaker 1: That's real. Wait it is, Jason, you might be in
Speaker 1: a ship ton of.
Speaker 3: Debt the Apple Apple Pay that's like mono money. It
Speaker 3: even has tips and not believe Apple.
Speaker 1: It's real money. It's real money. That little thing like
Speaker 1: that's money coming out of your bank account. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to break this to you. They make you,
Speaker 1: they make you forget.
Speaker 2: It really is really is crazy.
Speaker 3: And even the places they they've taken my addiction to Instagram,
Speaker 3: for example, and they've layered in my addiction to shopping
Speaker 3: in there, They're like, you know, this guy is an addict.
Speaker 2: He's on me all the time Instagram saying this, he's
Speaker 2: on me all the time. I bet you, Hey, other
Speaker 2: drugs come here?
Speaker 1: Hey so true?
Speaker 3: You want to Hey, bet you he'll shop on this.
Speaker 3: I bet you give him one little pop up ad.
Speaker 3: I bet you he'll buy it. I bet you this
Speaker 3: will buy a fuck.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I think I'm half of my outfit
Speaker 3: is Instagram.
Speaker 1: Instagram. Well it's funny because when you came in and
Speaker 1: this is no judgment, and you were like, are those
Speaker 1: the Alaiyah ballet flats? I have to I have to
Speaker 1: ask how did you know? Because I did grapple with
Speaker 1: get the Alaya ballet flats? Or get these? Stad are these?
Speaker 2: But but they look gere, I love I love it.
Speaker 1: I just something about the construction shape is better from.
Speaker 2: My foot, but but they look awesome.
Speaker 1: If did you know.
Speaker 2: About the ballet flats? That's great question? Uh? Well, I
Speaker 2: am married. I mean I have you know a.
Speaker 3: Wife who who who I believe also has a pair
Speaker 3: of Aliyah balant Okay, so I also have an appreciation
Speaker 3: for fashion, Like I am not particularly fashionable, but I
Speaker 3: appreciate it.
Speaker 2: I certainly appreciate it.
Speaker 3: And I think I used to be something that I
Speaker 3: didn't fully understand or care about for the longest time.
Speaker 3: And again current outfit doesn't.
Speaker 1: Well we have Instagram to think for that.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, But I do appreciate some
Speaker 3: of the nicer thing, you know. It's it's there are
Speaker 3: certain things I go, really, who could spend them? But
Speaker 3: then I've found myself, you know, like indulging in certain
Speaker 3: you know, pieces, wardrobe pieces.
Speaker 2: I'm like, that actually is really cool. I do see it.
Speaker 2: It does make I get it.
Speaker 3: I get it when you're and then people are like,
Speaker 3: well just get the like you know, the other version
Speaker 3: thing again but something, but it is again it's a
Speaker 3: it's the psychology of branding and luxury that like sort
Speaker 3: of but for me, I mean, I yeah, I I
Speaker 3: am you know, I still I love a deal real real,
Speaker 3: shout out real real, shout out real real.
Speaker 2: There you go, shout out real real.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, yeah, and but but yeah, I I don't know,
Speaker 3: I just I don't know why. I I just also
Speaker 3: like I'm also kind of I do say I'm I
Speaker 3: will say that I'm hyper aware of of stuff that happens,
Speaker 3: Like in terms of trends and stuff, I'm fascinated by
Speaker 3: trends and like who's wearing what and why not to
Speaker 3: say that I'm on there. I'm always behind, like I'm
Speaker 3: personally in behind, but I'm like aware of it in
Speaker 3: pop culture, and I've noticed that the Eliyah ballet flats
Speaker 3: have been a really big thing and I and I
Speaker 3: happen to really like them. There are some trends that
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't get that one so much. I
Speaker 3: don't quite know why, like the like the another one
Speaker 3: seemingly currently you tell me it goes like the the
Speaker 3: the flip flop heel, the heel flip, you know, like
Speaker 3: the the what do you call it?
Speaker 1: The thong thong sandalo, the heel, the heel with the heel.
Speaker 2: Okay, you know what I mean is that currently kind
Speaker 2: of a thing.
Speaker 1: It's a healed tho sandal.
Speaker 2: It's a heel.
Speaker 3: Thonged sandal that like you know, the you know that
Speaker 3: you know, you've say Laurent has a pair or like whoever,
Speaker 3: like the nicer and I'm just like, I don't see it,
Speaker 3: you don't see it.
Speaker 1: And okay, just so I can imagine it correctly because.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it's not a trend if you don't.
Speaker 1: Do a lot of online shop. I do a lot
Speaker 1: of it. So I've seen the it's a high, I've
Speaker 1: seen the high heel. Yeah, I has one that's like
Speaker 1: a high.
Speaker 2: Maybe Aliah has. I feel like it's a lot of
Speaker 2: people kind of have.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't like a heel thong stand of why
Speaker 1: what is yours?
Speaker 2: I just don't like the silhouette for some reason. It doesn't.
Speaker 2: It doesn't. It's not aesthetically appealing to me. Do you
Speaker 2: and I'm a foot guy?
Speaker 1: Your foot? Are you on Wiki feet a lot? I'm
Speaker 1: not lie, you fucking liar, guilty as fuck. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Have you ever looked at your Wiki feet rating?
Speaker 3: No, I'm honestly I mean this. I'm not on Wiki feet,
Speaker 3: but I do need to. I'm gonna check it out.
Speaker 1: You're a guy, do you kiss feet? Your wife's of course? Yeah,
Speaker 1: your kids kids? Of course? That maybe makes that makes sense,
Speaker 1: it's pure, But like you're you're into feet for real?
Speaker 2: I like that. I appreciate feet.
Speaker 3: I think feet can be sexy each but I also
Speaker 3: think feet oh no, no, shame listen. You can't, but
Speaker 3: know no shame, no judgment. I bring it. You judge
Speaker 3: the funk out of me. I don't care, no, but
Speaker 3: like I in the same way that I like good feet,
Speaker 3: I also am like, oh.
Speaker 1: When you're walking around New York City and.
Speaker 2: Close that toe, close that toe shoe. You need some clothes,
Speaker 2: toe shoes.
Speaker 1: You've thought this while walking past someone in the city.
Speaker 1: It seemed like, yeah, closed.
Speaker 2: To like rocket closed, it's time for you to start
Speaker 2: rocking close.
Speaker 1: Are your feet, by the way, they're okay?
Speaker 2: The Pican Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm a many petty guy.
Speaker 1: Oh really, manny as well? Clear polish no polish.
Speaker 3: No polish many less so because I can kind, I
Speaker 3: can do a fairly decent I.
Speaker 1: Ask you something.
Speaker 2: You want to see my feet?
Speaker 1: No? Sorry, but now that you've offered, yes, he's offered,
Speaker 1: it's okay.
Speaker 2: They're okay. They're not like down, they're fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're they're fine. I wouldn't see that foot and
Speaker 1: go put it away, right, but you wouldn't see and
Speaker 1: that's her foot. I used to be a ballerina, so okay,
Speaker 1: you can imagine. Yeah, sure, mine are little. I think
Speaker 1: they're good for I quit just in time.
Speaker 2: Okay, you know, I quit Permanent MGE.
Speaker 1: But then I ran a half marathon and that created
Speaker 1: its own damage.
Speaker 2: One half marathon, the.
Speaker 1: Training, the wrong size shoe, et cetera. So whatever, But yes,
Speaker 1: your nails. What I wanted to see is if there
Speaker 1: was dirt under them.
Speaker 3: No, I keep and it's earlier day. Yeah, yeah, they're
Speaker 3: pretty sure. I don't feel like there's dirt cavities.
Speaker 1: I do want to ask this dumb ass question that
Speaker 1: I ask. I find myself wanting to ask people in
Speaker 1: conversation while claiming I don't care or know anything about it.
Speaker 1: What is your sign?
Speaker 2: What is my sign? I saw you? Ask Will Ferrell.
Speaker 1: I've asked everybody. Yeah, I see, Like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but what's your's?
Speaker 2: Funny when he was doing this and.
Speaker 1: You're like what that? It really wasn't coming to me.
Speaker 2: But I'm a Taurus.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm scared of you?
Speaker 2: Are you?
Speaker 1: Are you bull? Bulls? I'm a Pisces.
Speaker 3: Pisces okay, fish fish, I forget the compatibility you did?
Speaker 2: How was it?
Speaker 1: It went really poorly? Okay, remarkably poorly. I guess I've
Speaker 1: seen I just watched it like crazy Netflix documentary called
Speaker 1: a Toxic Love Story, So I want to did you
Speaker 1: see that? We gotta talk. We're getting into that.
Speaker 3: Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait that's hold on,
Speaker 3: hold on, hold on Toxic Love Story.
Speaker 2: Wait no, I haven't. It's cue.
Speaker 3: But it's like top of my list. It was the
Speaker 3: one I watched, the one there was another. Okay, never mind, No,
Speaker 3: I haven't seen yet.
Speaker 2: Is amazing.
Speaker 1: It's really good. It's really good. Here's the thing. If
Speaker 1: you've seen it, it's a little scary, but not like
Speaker 1: don't watch it at night scary. I mean, maybe don't
Speaker 1: watch it. I watched it on the morning on a
Speaker 1: train from Maryland to New York. Okay, so I couldn't
Speaker 1: have felt safer. And I happened to be next to
Speaker 1: a woman who's from Orange County and the documentary takes
Speaker 1: place in Orange County. So I kept wanting to be like, man,
Speaker 1: kis mitt is that you just don't hear from Orange
Speaker 1: County and this crazy shit's taking place where you're from.
Speaker 1: But I say this, why did I tell you this?
Speaker 1: Why did I tell you this?
Speaker 2: I can just think, Okay, you want to take.
Speaker 1: Me, what's up? Okay, No, that is not to reject
Speaker 1: you and go.
Speaker 2: Perfect first.
Speaker 1: What is your perfect first state? I'm being knotic. I
Speaker 1: had coffee, y'all. He understands that I don't coffee, another
Speaker 1: thing I claim I don't really do. But every episode
Speaker 1: I'm like, I had coffee today. I don't think I
Speaker 1: have self awareness. Maybe think like I'm thinking about an
Speaker 1: old version of me.
Speaker 3: I'm like, actually I do that sometimes too. I know
Speaker 3: what you mean by that. It's like you're kind of
Speaker 3: you're You're like, oh, this is who I am, but
Speaker 3: then you realize that actually I.
Speaker 2: Haven't been that person in ten years. Yeah, that happens
Speaker 2: a lot to me.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's crazy, But I was going to say that
Speaker 1: it's gone so poorly, that that relationship had gone so poorly,
Speaker 1: and I would say like crazy times. And then i
Speaker 1: watch a documentary like a Toxic love Story.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, Okay, actually I should have married.
Speaker 1: Him for it, and then I'd be a star, and
Speaker 1: then Hollywood would call fucking finally and make a documentary
Speaker 1: about me in my awful relationship. There you go, what
Speaker 1: is your what is your Who do you get along
Speaker 1: with as a tourist? You in your experience?
Speaker 2: Good question?
Speaker 3: I I know I have a Virgos have been a
Speaker 3: weird presence in my life, good and bad, just a
Speaker 3: lot of them. Some of the most heated, intense relationships
Speaker 3: in my life have been virgos.
Speaker 2: For whatever that's worth.
Speaker 3: I haven't checked the charts and sort of under I
Speaker 3: don't understand it. I can't analyze that. I can just
Speaker 3: tell you as a matter of you know, anecdotally that
Speaker 3: I've had weird shit with virgos.
Speaker 2: Okay, or intense intense stuff, memorable relationships.
Speaker 1: Aful way to put it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for better or for worse. And then I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 3: My wife was a Gemini, and you know a lot
Speaker 3: that there's geminis have been in my life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm quite a geminis.
Speaker 1: I have a lot of Geminis in my life too.
Speaker 2: You're with a geminis with a GEMI yeah, dating, like dating.
Speaker 1: One of my closest friends is a Gemini. I know
Speaker 1: where my brother is a Gemini. I know people are
Speaker 1: kind of like when they hear Gemini, that's one of
Speaker 1: the science people go oh no, no, yes too, yes,
Speaker 1: But I'm like they're fine by me.
Speaker 2: I feel like Taurus is okay.
Speaker 3: I feel like most people no, I feel like for you,
Speaker 3: except for you, I feel like I've mostly been accepted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, really, but stubborn, loyal and listen.
Speaker 2: What else? What bad things? Yeah?
Speaker 1: The stubborn because is double edged sword there, you know,
Speaker 1: like planting the flag and being unmovable. Not great, But
Speaker 1: I can stubborn. So maybe me and a stubborn Taurus
Speaker 1: in a relationship would That's there? You have it there? Yeah,
Speaker 1: a big problem.
Speaker 2: That's a problem.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but loyal, what a beautiful trait to have. May
Speaker 1: I ask what you think your worst quality is? No, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, next question.
Speaker 2: My worst quality? God?
Speaker 1: Or what someone who really loves you, a parent might say.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming your parents really love you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they they definitely love me.
Speaker 3: What's my what's my my worst quality?
Speaker 1: What they would say?
Speaker 2: What they would say?
Speaker 3: I mean, I can kind of and it's again, it's
Speaker 3: something I've worked on, continue to work on, and I'm
Speaker 3: better about it in sobriety. But I can kind of
Speaker 3: fall off the map a little bit. I think my
Speaker 3: parents would especially say right now, my parents, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm going through a lot. But I think in general,
Speaker 3: my mom especially, I feel like all moms though to
Speaker 3: an extent be like, where'd you go?
Speaker 2: I haven't heard from you. I can definitely fall off.
Speaker 3: I can fall off the map, though I get anxiety
Speaker 3: even like it was just Instagram showed me my algorithm
Speaker 3: showed me a post about how like certain people, even
Speaker 3: responding to text messages can feel really heavy, like like
Speaker 3: anxiety inducing. It feels like a chore, feels like a thing.
Speaker 3: And it was this particular post was was the angle
Speaker 3: the way it analyzed that. It was saying its theory
Speaker 3: was that for people who you know, dealt with a
Speaker 3: lot of emotional you know, weight growing up or historically,
Speaker 3: I've had you know, trauma or any just pressure, lots
Speaker 3: of pressure, and that even responding that you just I
Speaker 3: don't want a deal and you put too much pressure
Speaker 3: on every little response and every and you get you know,
Speaker 3: I'll see like one text message and then a second
Speaker 3: one will come through, and there's a certain group of
Speaker 3: people that are like, oh it's easy, yeah, no problem whatever,
Speaker 3: And then there's others that just like.
Speaker 2: Oh, oh oh god, I don't know how to respond.
Speaker 3: I don't I'll get back to it, and then like
Speaker 3: a week goes by and I forget and DA and
Speaker 3: then the stress gets even more.
Speaker 2: It's a text message. It's a fucking text message.
Speaker 3: It's not even a phone call. I mean, forgetting a
Speaker 3: phone call. Forget it, you know. But again this goes
Speaker 3: back to fellowship too. For me, it's like I need
Speaker 3: to I need to force myself to pick up the
Speaker 3: phone and call. I need to force myself to respond.
Speaker 3: But there is some sort of like there is a
Speaker 3: real anxiety that can happen for me, even when it
Speaker 3: comes to just returning a text message.
Speaker 2: It's it's pretty wild and and uh, yeah, why did
Speaker 2: I get on that? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Because I could fall off the map. I could fall
Speaker 3: That's that's one thing. I mean, listen, there's there's there's
Speaker 3: lots of things. I will say that one of my
Speaker 3: better traits, I think.
Speaker 1: Which I was gonna ask, of course, is.
Speaker 3: Now especially trying to look inward and and and change
Speaker 3: the things, be open to changing the things about me
Speaker 3: that I don't like or other people don't like. And
Speaker 3: so I'm kind of even just currently in that process,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm you know, why I do certain relationships
Speaker 3: work and others don't.
Speaker 2: What is it about? I have some role in everything?
Speaker 2: We all have some.
Speaker 3: Role in everything right, and like, you know, our couple
Speaker 3: therapists used to say all the time, it's like it
Speaker 3: takes two people to fight, Like there's no A fight
Speaker 3: does not happen unless both of you participate. Someone might
Speaker 3: have started it, but you both engage. So what is
Speaker 3: your partner? Another thing in AA is, you know, is
Speaker 3: keeping your side of the street clean. That's one of
Speaker 3: those many AA.
Speaker 1: Express is your lawyer sober, I don't know, no, no,
Speaker 1: I've had drinks with her. Well that doesn't mean she's.
Speaker 3: But it is one of the there's a lot of
Speaker 3: like AA expressions, you know, and they're like if you
Speaker 3: go into a meeting, there's a lot of the rooms
Speaker 3: will have they'll be like on the wall, and you're like.
Speaker 2: Oh god, it's so cheesy.
Speaker 3: This is when when I first started like, oh god,
Speaker 3: these these little sayings are so fucking cheesy and lame,
Speaker 3: but they're so spot on once you sort of again
Speaker 3: sort of give in, let go and just sort of
Speaker 3: embrace it, and you go, oh yeah, that makes a
Speaker 3: lot of sense.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: One of them is keeping your side of the street clean.
Speaker 3: It's like you can't control what other people do or say,
Speaker 3: how they act. You can control how you respond, how
Speaker 3: you move forward from there, how you act, what you say,
Speaker 3: and you know, just taking accountability. And so I think
Speaker 3: for a long time, I did not want to take
Speaker 3: accountability for a long time, and I still this is
Speaker 3: a habit that I still, i think, engage in, but
Speaker 3: I'm aware of it now. So it's kind of like
Speaker 3: it's still a bad quality of mine. Is Yeah, I
Speaker 3: want to point a finger, what did you do to me?
Speaker 2: How?
Speaker 3: You know, victim mentality? Right, Like, you know, even if
Speaker 3: it's my parents, my parents fucked up, sure, right, but
Speaker 3: like I can continue to point the finger at them
Speaker 3: and continue to sort of blame them for reasons for
Speaker 3: things that I do and say. Now, but I'm forty
Speaker 3: eight years old, that's really it's a certain point, a
Speaker 3: certain point I have to, you know. And also as
Speaker 3: a parent now I also you know, there is of
Speaker 3: course a bit of like, you know, we're all going
Speaker 3: to fuck up, and there is an element of you
Speaker 3: do the best that you can, and maybe your best
Speaker 3: wasn't that great, maybe my best will be better. But like, yeah,
Speaker 3: you weren't trying to hurt me, You didn't try to
Speaker 3: you didn't consciously make a decision to say this is
Speaker 3: going to hurt that person. But yeah, so anyway, so
Speaker 3: taking accountability. I had a hard time doing that, you know,
Speaker 3: And I was quick to blame other people. And I
Speaker 3: think that's still that's still something I instinctively go to do.
Speaker 3: But I'm better at saying, hold on, I must have
Speaker 3: what is my part in this? Yeah, also because blaming
Speaker 3: is just it's like, yeah, I'm just realizing more and
Speaker 3: more like I've got to own my own no one's
Speaker 3: I Yeah, it doesn't get me anywhere. It hasn't gotten
Speaker 3: me anywhere. Resentment, at least the resentment I resent you
Speaker 3: because I feel like this is your fault. You did
Speaker 3: this to me. Why didn't you help me, Why didn't
Speaker 3: you do this for me? Why do you do this
Speaker 3: to me? And it's like resentment another great AA expression resentment.
Speaker 3: Having resentment is like drinking poison and expecting the other
Speaker 3: person to.
Speaker 1: Die like that.
Speaker 2: That's good.
Speaker 3: Another resentment saying that I love please please. Expectations are
Speaker 3: resentments under construc diction.
Speaker 1: That one I haven't heard, and I'm gonna put that
Speaker 1: in my back pocket. That's a good one.
Speaker 2: That's really Expectations can kill you. It's like, you know what,
Speaker 2: I Yeah, my wife and I that was a big
Speaker 2: one for us.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Wow wow, Like I think you're you kind of have
Speaker 3: a preconceived You're like, this is what he or what she.
Speaker 2: Should do in this situation.
Speaker 3: Or I'm going to say something and I know what
Speaker 3: they should say to me to make me feel better,
Speaker 3: or I know how they should react based on what
Speaker 3: they tell them, And when that doesn't happen, you go.
Speaker 2: What what that's not how?
Speaker 3: It's like, well, that's why did you expect her respond
Speaker 3: differently the way you would have responded?
Speaker 2: You're not her.
Speaker 1: Imagine imagine understanding that everyone is their own person and
Speaker 1: having their own experience and coming at any given experience
Speaker 1: with all of their stuff. Yeah, imagine imagine that they
Speaker 1: don't really teach you. You learn it hopefully as you
Speaker 1: grow up. But I'm like, that'll be useful. Teach me
Speaker 1: that and how to balance a check book in school?
Speaker 2: Yes, totally. What did I learn?
Speaker 1: Pythagorian theorem?
Speaker 3: Magaris that clown, who the fuck the fuck care Edward.
Speaker 2: Pythagoras his name Edward Charlie.
Speaker 1: Charlie Marshall, Pythagoras.
Speaker 2: The third honey, fuck you.
Speaker 3: Squared equals C squared, and so what equals fu to
Speaker 3: the second power?
Speaker 1: Because what the that's not useful, it's not really useful respectfully.
Speaker 3: Now, I will say, when I learned the Pythagorean theorem
Speaker 3: in whatever high school, Yeah, I remember sitting there thinking
Speaker 3: one day I'm going to be on a podcast.
Speaker 2: And make a Pythagorist joke. I remember thinking, now, so here.
Speaker 3: We are, we are. I'm glad to give you this
Speaker 3: isn't the pocket no different podcast. Yeah, this is my
Speaker 3: second Pythagoras joke that this.
Speaker 1: Second, well, that's offensive to me. I was hoping to
Speaker 1: be the first.
Speaker 2: Sorry, all my materials this is recycled.
Speaker 1: Has everyone heard you say everything you said? Suggest yes,
Speaker 1: even the Elijah shoot thing? Oh yeah, yeah, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: well fuck, let me think it's something original. The expectations
Speaker 1: thing makes me wonder are you good at expressing your needs?
Speaker 3: No, but that's also a yeah, no I historically no
Speaker 3: getting better?
Speaker 1: Gotcha?
Speaker 2: But no, I I am.
Speaker 3: I always felt like I needed to take care of
Speaker 3: other people, and you know, I I was secondary and
Speaker 3: and so yeah, no, I was afraid didn't want to
Speaker 3: ruffle feathers, you know. And yeah, just how I grew up.
Speaker 3: There were other people that needed tending to and taking
Speaker 3: care of, and and so that that's was the shift
Speaker 3: for me at some point in the priority and my
Speaker 3: own needs kind of, you know. But then, you know,
Speaker 3: then I would rebel and act out, and you know,
Speaker 3: went through a period of yeah, it's me, I.
Speaker 2: Can do whatever I want. I should take care of myself.
Speaker 3: But then I didn't take care of myself properly, you know,
Speaker 3: whether it was drugs and alcohol, whatever it was, I
Speaker 3: acted out thinking yeah and me and I became selfish,
Speaker 3: but in a self destructive way. But yeah, I definitely
Speaker 3: have a hard time just sort of and asking for
Speaker 3: help in general. Yeah, you know, yeah, my own needs
Speaker 3: asking for help, that's always something I struggled with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's such a tough thing to balance still because
Speaker 1: I feel like so much of what even I see
Speaker 1: on Instagram online whatever, is about like asserting your boundaries,
Speaker 1: using your voice, taking care of yourself first. You can't
Speaker 1: pour from an empty cup, and you're like, and what's
Speaker 1: the equation Pythagoras helped me with this of like taking
Speaker 1: care of yourself versus putting other people first, or like
Speaker 1: when you.
Speaker 2: Talk about is the balance? Where is the race?
Speaker 1: How you like math? I'm like, literally, someone give me
Speaker 1: the equation.
Speaker 2: What's the formula. I'll punch in the numbers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's a hard thing to sort of figure out.
Speaker 1: And so like, obviously it sounds like you are. Give
Speaker 1: yourself grace for that because I'm like, it's it's hard,
Speaker 1: it's hard. Where do you fall in the sibling lineup?
Speaker 3: I'm middle child, only boy, older sister, younger sister.
Speaker 1: Is it crazy if I tell you I could have
Speaker 1: maybe guessed middle child?
Speaker 2: No, I should have had you guess. But yeah, I'll
Speaker 2: believe you.
Speaker 1: I know it sounds like bullshit now.
Speaker 2: It does, but it's just what you described. Let's get
Speaker 2: this again.
Speaker 1: We'll cut that part out. Okay, okay, So where do
Speaker 1: you fall in the sibling lineup?
Speaker 2: Where do you think I did?
Speaker 1: I think you're a middle child?
Speaker 2: Okay, tell me now, doing a bad job being fake?
Speaker 2: I think you are.
Speaker 1: I don't know where I came up with this. Probably
Speaker 1: middle I don't know where. Sister brother situation.
Speaker 3: No close, okay, sister and sis? Yes, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 3: holy shit, you're good spici.
Speaker 1: We're a little yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, middle child?
Speaker 2: Why why did you sense that?
Speaker 1: Because when you said other people needed tending to and
Speaker 1: I wasn't necessarily getting I have a friend who's also
Speaker 1: a middle child, and it's not this is this feels
Speaker 1: like very stereotypical in a sense middle child experience, if
Speaker 1: you will, is like I'm kind of forgotten in some ways,
Speaker 1: and we're focused on other things, and people think I
Speaker 1: can just like handle it and are not thinking to
Speaker 1: tend to me. So I know, to be just like quiet,
Speaker 1: and we're focusing on other people. Older sibling, younger siblings.
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of here. I'm the youngest, so I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: The world was everybody's child, yeah, and it.
Speaker 2: Shows how how many of them. I'm one of four, okay?
Speaker 1: And yeah, boy girl, boy girl. Yeah, and I think
Speaker 1: that I I think in so many ways, I am
Speaker 1: like the youngest. Yeah.
Speaker 2: What about your sister? How does she do? You and
Speaker 2: her get along?
Speaker 1: We do and are so different. We're really really different,
Speaker 1: my sister and I. My sister's easygoing. I am not
Speaker 1: easy going.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Do you like that self awareness?
Speaker 2: I do? Okay, any self awareness.
Speaker 1: It's someone to compliment me for me self awareness something,
Speaker 1: thank you, and also to.
Speaker 2: Be like, here's a modest here's an.
Speaker 1: Unbecoming thing of me. It's true that I was describing
Speaker 1: her yesterday to someone and I was like, I've always
Speaker 1: maintained she's easygoing, and all these years later she's, yeah,
Speaker 1: my sister's easy Cohen kind of also like a touch
Speaker 1: of glib, unaffected, unbothered. It is kind of nice. So
Speaker 1: I go, do you ever emote? She doesn't, but she does.
Speaker 1: But she and I are just remarkably different. And she
Speaker 1: like graduated high school when she was sixteen and like
Speaker 1: has lived, gone and seen the world in a sense,
Speaker 1: but very cool, and she like loves school. She like
Speaker 1: loves to be in school. She has two hundred degrees.
Speaker 1: Now she's working at a school. I am like the trademark, Yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly know where you stand. You understand right, not to
Speaker 1: I was, you know, people should go to school, stay
Speaker 1: in school, finish school. I do think it's helpful. However,
Speaker 1: I'm like, when I can be done with it, I
Speaker 1: want to be done. And she'd be like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm going to go get a fifteenth degree because actually
Speaker 1: I'm curious about this thing. And I'm like, i'd take
Speaker 1: a class outside. I'll read an article, yeah, and be
Speaker 1: and call myself an ex mas exactly.
Speaker 2: I'll wiki feet that.
Speaker 1: You know what I'll do, Jason. I'll read the title
Speaker 1: of an article and be like, you know, I read
Speaker 1: this thing, by the way, yep, I'm like, I didn't
Speaker 1: click it, but I read the title and I got
Speaker 1: at all I scrolled it.
Speaker 2: It was in my ice, It scrolled past my eyes
Speaker 2: for a second.
Speaker 1: Do you ever go like I heard and it's like
Speaker 1: about a restaurant or a story, and it's really that
Speaker 1: you just read it online and you'll say you heard
Speaker 1: as though like of course friend told you. Okay, that
Speaker 1: makes me feel better about the fact that I do that,
Speaker 1: of course. And in terms of relationship with fun.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you one thing I hate about myself. Sorry,
Speaker 2: real quick, you know, and no, no, no, I do this too.
Speaker 3: I'll do this sometimes and I immediately and I've gotten
Speaker 3: much better about this, or someone will be like did
Speaker 3: you I mean I almost did it with you, but
Speaker 3: that was because I really thought. But like where someone's like, anyway,
Speaker 3: I've read this thing.
Speaker 2: Oh I read that, and I'm like, fuck, I didn't
Speaker 2: read that. I didn't read that.
Speaker 3: Do I do I pull the ripcord now and say no,
Speaker 3: I di I didn't read that, or do I just
Speaker 3: not fuck it? Go along with it and hope that
Speaker 3: this person I'm engaged with right now doesn't actually start
Speaker 3: getting specific.
Speaker 2: Y you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Yes, Because then if I say, oh, no, actually I
Speaker 3: didn't read that, then they might think, oh, why did
Speaker 3: you say you read that?
Speaker 2: Were you like? Were you just trying it? Were you faking?
Speaker 2: Were you?
Speaker 3: And I kind of did it with you? But I
Speaker 3: that was a because I've just watched two docs. One
Speaker 3: one was the car.
Speaker 2: Crash one but the teenagers, Oh.
Speaker 1: My god, crash McKenzie Shrilla McKenzie.
Speaker 2: Watched that one, and then there was another one that
Speaker 2: I watched.
Speaker 1: Not to shout her out. I don't like it, don't Yeah, Mackenzie, what'sie? No?
Speaker 2: Sorry?
Speaker 3: Sorry, bad, bad bad? Fuck you Mackenzie and pathetic.
Speaker 1: Exactly, they're on the same list. But making her famous?
Speaker 2: Are you are? This is your podcast? I'm fucking making
Speaker 2: anyone famous?
Speaker 1: Wait?
Speaker 2: Can you make people famous on this podcast?
Speaker 1: I can? That's good famous? I yeah, but I need
Speaker 1: to know little Wait?
Speaker 3: So wait, which is the crash and what uh? One
Speaker 3: was about a relationship that's why I'm like it. But
Speaker 3: it wasn't toxic because that just came out like last week.
Speaker 1: It was about a healthy relationship.
Speaker 2: It's definitely.
Speaker 1: They made a documentary about a healthy relationship.
Speaker 2: It was so boring.
Speaker 1: It sucks.
Speaker 2: It was terrible. It's like six parts this health.
Speaker 1: It's low key boring, which is good. It's a good
Speaker 1: thing when it's it's hilarious.
Speaker 2: The worst that I.
Speaker 1: Don't want to watch that. No, give me someone killed someone,
Speaker 1: someone lying about something.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I may have to check my Netflix.
Speaker 1: Okay, you're kidding. Okay, see they need our brains are broken.
Speaker 2: I don't need to remember because it's right there.
Speaker 1: It's right there. Jason, what time is it? Don't say
Speaker 1: say how long we've been going, because they didn't start
Speaker 1: the timer for I'll waste your time.
Speaker 2: It's eleven or five.
Speaker 1: I said, don't say that.
Speaker 2: Sorry, you said don't.
Speaker 1: We're cutting that out, cut that out everything. We have
Speaker 1: to start over, start over.
Speaker 2: He thanks for having me on today.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you could do this. I heard you
Speaker 1: were at dinner last night with someone tiny world.
Speaker 2: And you were with crazy.
Speaker 1: Incredible crazy. Here do you guys go? We went to
Speaker 1: a place called We're really starting.
Speaker 2: Actually, I really do want to know where you are
Speaker 2: in Brooklyn?
Speaker 1: In Brooklyn? Have you been? No?
Speaker 2: It was really are you in Brooklyn?
Speaker 1: I am in Brookly. I'm in fake Brooklyn, but I'm
Speaker 1: in Brooklyn. And you know what I mean by fake Brooklyn.
Speaker 1: I just think, yeah, exactly. We won't say the exact
Speaker 1: but you know what I'm doing.
Speaker 2: I think I know where you are.
Speaker 1: You know where I live.
Speaker 3: I'm yeah, yeah, Justin came to me yesterday. Okay, and
Speaker 3: are you in downtown Manhattan?
Speaker 1: You're downtown Manhattan. Okay, where did you guys go? Because
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to find a restaurant for a friend and
Speaker 1: I for tomorrow tomorrow.
Speaker 3: We went to a place called Graciela, which is in
Speaker 3: the West Village. It is a Argentinian chef who has
Speaker 3: a restaurant in Buenos Aires. His only other restaurant Don Julio,
Speaker 3: which was at one point in the top ten restaurant
Speaker 3: World's fifty Best Restaurants in the World, and he this
Speaker 3: is his first restaurant outside of Buennosaires and steak meat based,
Speaker 3: but there's other We had a Brenzeno last night that
Speaker 3: was amazing and yeah, and it's it's just open as
Speaker 3: it's really fun and good and it's.
Speaker 1: A good okay, good one to keep in my back pocket. Also,
Speaker 1: there's a couple of things. My pockets are full.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't keep from this conversation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, little things I'm putting in my nuggets. It's a
Speaker 1: little nugget here, little nuggain. When I get hungry, nip it,
Speaker 1: not too much something. Are you a food guy?
Speaker 2: I am a food guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that yes, you eat it. I eat it,
Speaker 1: but you care about it.
Speaker 2: I spend my money on it me too, Like that
Speaker 2: is one of my luxuries in life.
Speaker 3: I indulgences and I and I particularly once I quit drinking.
Speaker 2: God, can I talk anyway?
Speaker 3: This isn't even like a sober podcast, and all I
Speaker 3: feel like everything I'm talking about is sobriety.
Speaker 1: But Jason, why do we? Why do we?
Speaker 2: I'm gonna start drinking again.
Speaker 3: Shut up, because this way it's not all going to
Speaker 3: be all about myself.
Speaker 1: Shout it out, Mackenzie, shrilla, You're gonna start drinking again.
Speaker 1: We have to can the episode. This is crazy.
Speaker 2: This is a time cap. Don't the beginning of the
Speaker 2: end For Jason Biggs.
Speaker 1: It all started here people famous, but I also ruined
Speaker 1: your fucking life. Yeah. No, here's the thing. I'm so curious.
Speaker 1: Maybe you have this answer. You seem philosophical. Why do
Speaker 1: we like I kind of asked it with the whole
Speaker 1: fellowship of it all when that came up. Why are
Speaker 1: we so cringe about ourselves? What is that like? Because
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I'm talking about sobriety. We keep finding
Speaker 1: ourselves organically there. I'm fine with it. I'm getting nuggets.
Speaker 1: I judging you, yeah, but I'm not judging you like
Speaker 1: we're all kind of be like, oh no, I'm talking
Speaker 1: like about myself. These people don't want to hear me
Speaker 1: talk about me. I didn't bring you on to talk
Speaker 1: about me, even when you asked me a question. I
Speaker 1: was going to be like, now, Jason.
Speaker 3: I do have a tendency to do that when I'm
Speaker 3: a guest on things. I'm like, I have a question
Speaker 3: for you, which.
Speaker 1: Is fair and I allow one or two, but but but.
Speaker 2: I hit my quota.
Speaker 1: You got one left, but I think you shouldn't use
Speaker 1: it because I'm finding it's interesting. I want to what
Speaker 1: do you think this is about humans that were just
Speaker 1: like O cringe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the things I do and this kind
Speaker 3: of connects maybe to needs and not taking care of
Speaker 3: myself and who how is everyone else? Is like that
Speaker 3: hyper awareness and hyper sensitivity to how other people are
Speaker 3: and making sure their comfort levels are where they should
Speaker 3: be as opposed to my own. I can deal with
Speaker 3: my own discomfort because that's what I do, and so
Speaker 3: making sure everyone's okay. So this need to apologize for myself,
Speaker 3: I've always had it something I'm working on.
Speaker 2: It's not a great quality.
Speaker 3: It is and it isn't it can be, particularly as
Speaker 3: it helped me survive to survive growing up, but like, yeah,
Speaker 3: ultimately I still do apology. I'm still like sorry, should
Speaker 3: I not be talking about it? You know, whether it
Speaker 3: presents in different weird ways? And I guess it just
Speaker 3: did by me going, oh am I talking too much
Speaker 3: about sobriety. So I'm just you know, obviously I'm still insecure.
Speaker 3: I mean, I I you know, in some regards, I'm
Speaker 3: very confident and know myself fairly well and know what
Speaker 3: I'm good at, know my limitations, and in other senses,
Speaker 3: I'm just still just an insecure.
Speaker 1: Yes, no, you're an insecure. I want you to finish.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just I'm insecure and worried about what other people think.
Speaker 1: So what you just described to me is a human.
Speaker 1: He's but a human. Now, mind you. I can sider
Speaker 1: on my little is this real leather? That's not someone
Speaker 1: confidently being like, no, honey, it's plastic. I can sit
Speaker 1: on my little plastic chair and say that to you
Speaker 1: with full confidence. Now, mind you. I hold myself to
Speaker 1: an insane standard, so human interaction rate, I don't fucking know.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm like, I thought you might have an
Speaker 1: answer about why we all do that thing, because it's
Speaker 1: not just you.
Speaker 2: Do you mean to a high stand what's the standards?
Speaker 2: What regards?
Speaker 1: It's almost like perfection is and perfection perfection is not
Speaker 1: real except for low key when it is real, you
Speaker 1: see it, like oh those things I went to put
Speaker 1: tape on the wall and it perfectly lined up, right,
Speaker 1: It is real. So I don't know that we can
Speaker 1: deny it. But maybe it's not the coolest thing to pursue.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my theory on perfection is you could pursue it,
Speaker 3: just be prepared to maybe never get there. Like yeah,
Speaker 3: like look, at THEE. I have such a respect for
Speaker 3: like Japanese artisans.
Speaker 2: You ever been to Japan?
Speaker 1: I haven't. My sister just came back and told me
Speaker 1: I would love it, and I know that I would.
Speaker 1: It's on my list.
Speaker 3: The thing about they have trades, people, crafts, people, chefs,
Speaker 3: all kinds of industry where they get incredibly specific with
Speaker 3: what they do.
Speaker 2: A person, does.
Speaker 3: You hear, we'd say it's so niche, Oh my god,
Speaker 3: but there it's no one person does this task and
Speaker 3: will spend his or her entire life doing that one thing.
Speaker 3: And ultimately, you know, you spend that much time and
Speaker 3: dedication in the pursuit of perfection, you get.
Speaker 2: Damn good at it, you know.
Speaker 3: I think there's something to be said for that, but
Speaker 3: also knowing that you're supposed to fail. My issue with
Speaker 3: perfectionism is, or has been I expect to get there
Speaker 3: right away, and so as a result, I fear failure
Speaker 3: big time. And I started I started acting when I.
Speaker 2: Was a little kid.
Speaker 3: I was five years old when I started acting, and
Speaker 3: so I had tons of failure when I was a kid.
Speaker 2: But I was a kid.
Speaker 3: So when you're a kid dealing with failure, it's a
Speaker 3: lot different now. Yeah, I mean I probably dealt with
Speaker 3: rejection and had conversations about I got fired from a
Speaker 3: job when I was you know, like when I was
Speaker 3: a teenager. I was in the office of the executive
Speaker 3: producer who was firing me.
Speaker 2: I was fourteen being fired for me.
Speaker 3: That's like, that's not something a fourteen year old, I
Speaker 3: feel like deals with usually. But and dealing with all
Speaker 3: that rejection and failure as a kid has certainly prepared
Speaker 3: me as an adult, I guess. But also it has
Speaker 3: made me very clear, and I think a not a
Speaker 3: good way, or it made me think I'm clear about
Speaker 3: what I can and can't do. And so what I
Speaker 3: think I can't do, I don't even pursue anymore. And
Speaker 3: what I can do, what I've achieved success in since
Speaker 3: I was a little kid, Like that's the thing I'm
Speaker 3: good at. I'll keep doing that. And you know, I
Speaker 3: finally directed. I've always wanted to direct. I finally directed
Speaker 3: a movie two years ago. I'm forty eight, So I
Speaker 3: was forty six years old, and I had had other
Speaker 3: opportunities and also I you know, just sort of never
Speaker 3: really pursued it. I wasn't really proactive about it until
Speaker 3: the last couple of years of my life because I
Speaker 3: was afraid I fail. I was like, oh, I know
Speaker 3: what I can do as an actor. I've achieved some
Speaker 3: great success as an actor, and even acting, I'm like,
Speaker 3: you know, I did a lot of dramatic work before
Speaker 3: American Pie, so I've always felt like I can do drama.
Speaker 3: But even still, once I hit with American Pie, and
Speaker 3: that success happened.
Speaker 2: When I continue from.
Speaker 1: American Pie, it just clicked for me.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, I'm no no, no, I wasn't in
Speaker 3: American Pie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, I'm not in it.
Speaker 3: This was something that I'm talking about rejection. I auditioned
Speaker 3: for didn't get it.
Speaker 2: I didn't get it. No, I'm kidding. I'm fucking with you.
Speaker 2: I'm fucking with you.
Speaker 1: Back I go back, fucking a Jason.
Speaker 2: Mirror medicine. Here's some medicine.
Speaker 1: Give me my pocket. Okay, I'm sorry. It was very funny,
Speaker 1: but it was bad.
Speaker 3: I was good, except that people that are gonna be like,
Speaker 3: oh God, she really doesn't know, and he's really thinks
Speaker 3: she doesn't know.
Speaker 1: You were making such a good point in some and
Speaker 1: it's gonna comment she should have let him finish the
Speaker 1: please finish.
Speaker 2: I don't remember.
Speaker 1: Now, you don't do that.
Speaker 2: I don't remember what I was saying. So Jason, what happened,
Speaker 2: I don't remember.
Speaker 1: I will not let you leave.
Speaker 2: Okay, So what I was saying was.
Speaker 3: I But even so, once American Pie hit, and once
Speaker 3: they did a bunch of the similar kind of comedies
Speaker 3: in the years after American Pie, you know, you you
Speaker 3: kind of it's easy to sort of go, that's what
Speaker 3: I'm that's what I'm good at, and I and and
Speaker 3: so you get more reluctant to actively pursue things that
Speaker 3: are different.
Speaker 2: Not everyone.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, Heath Ledger hits with ten Things
Speaker 3: I Hate about You, and immediately it's like, I'm not
Speaker 3: doing that movie ever again. I want to do this, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, and he's like, I know what I can
Speaker 3: do when he went and did it. I'm not comparing
Speaker 3: myself to Heath Ledger. In fact, the opposite. I was like,
Speaker 3: oh good, I'm good at comedy. I'll just keep doing commed.
Speaker 3: But I also can do drama, you know, And I
Speaker 3: just know. But the directing thing was always something as
Speaker 3: a little kid, when I was on.
Speaker 2: Sets, I was like that's really good.
Speaker 3: I would pay attention, I would try to like learn
Speaker 3: and just fascinated me. And I there's an I came
Speaker 3: across an interview like a magazine or a newspaper clipping
Speaker 3: article recently that I had saved my mom. He was
Speaker 3: at my mom's house and it was from when I
Speaker 3: was twelve, and they asked what I want to do
Speaker 3: when I grow up.
Speaker 2: I was like, I want to direct.
Speaker 3: But yet at some point along the way, I achieved
Speaker 3: all this success as an actor and I got afraid
Speaker 3: to do anything else. I didn't want to pursue directing
Speaker 3: because what if I failed, Like I don't want to
Speaker 3: be fall flat on my face, Like what if I'm
Speaker 3: not good? What if I end up not being good?
Speaker 3: What if it doesn't work?
Speaker 2: You know. It's like.
Speaker 3: And so I fear is that thing, and it's like, listen,
Speaker 3: you're not going to be a perfect director. I'm not
Speaker 3: going to be I'm not going to make a perfect movie, certainly,
Speaker 3: not out of the gate made probably ever, but like
Speaker 3: just do it.
Speaker 2: Like but it's that fear of not being perfect right away.
Speaker 3: But I don't think as a rule in general that
Speaker 3: perfection is something you shouldn't or can't strive for You
Speaker 3: just have to be aware that you're probably not gonna
Speaker 3: get it, and that's okay, I don't know, that's my
Speaker 3: That's good though.
Speaker 1: I like that because you don't deny its existence and
Speaker 1: it's not a bad thing to strive for it. Inherently,
Speaker 1: it's not bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And also like the learning from the mistakes and also
Speaker 3: just the for me once I finally did direct this movie,
Speaker 3: one of the biggest lessons, of course, was just taking
Speaker 3: the leap and overcoming a fear and just doing it
Speaker 3: and being open and going into it. You know, I
Speaker 3: thought I had to get into the set and I
Speaker 3: had to as a director, and I had to know
Speaker 3: everything already, you know, like I needed to have all
Speaker 3: the answers, right, They're going to come to me with questions.
Speaker 3: I need to have all the answers. I did didn't
Speaker 3: have to have all the answers. In fact, there were
Speaker 3: people on that set who were much more capable than
Speaker 3: I was at specific things. And so it is about
Speaker 3: asking for help and again asking for help.
Speaker 2: It's such a big thing, all.
Speaker 1: The little tidbits of it and mirror.
Speaker 3: On how much my personal life affects my work and
Speaker 3: vice versa. It's like, you know, yeah, because I've changed
Speaker 3: so much as a person in the last decade plus,
Speaker 3: like significantly changed. I'm a parent, I'm you know, a husband, sober,
Speaker 3: like the massive life changes. And for many years my
Speaker 3: career wasn't sort of reflective of that. And I had
Speaker 3: these new things to sort of contribute as a worker
Speaker 3: that I you know, whether it's director or an actor
Speaker 3: that I you know, wasn't allowing my the things that
Speaker 3: I had learned in life to sort of take into that.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I was like, no, I'm just an actor. I'm just
Speaker 2: an actor for hire. It's what I do.
Speaker 3: And yeah, and when I am an actor for hire,
Speaker 3: it is that's that's what. But like, oh, I can
Speaker 3: bring other things. I'm I am. I'm not the kid
Speaker 3: from American Pie anymore. I was in a movie called
Speaker 3: American Pie came out in ninety nine.
Speaker 1: Never heard of it.
Speaker 2: Was know, that's I could tell. That's what I'm going
Speaker 2: to tell you.
Speaker 1: Born in two and five.
Speaker 3: Five, So no, I know so so so Yeah, ask
Speaker 3: your parents about it. I'm sure they're fans of mine.
Speaker 3: They're sure they're fans of mine. They just really big worldwide.
Speaker 3: It was pretty big worldwide, okay, uh, kind of everywhere.
Speaker 1: American pie popping off nur.
Speaker 2: Also, it played very well there there.
Speaker 1: Okay, and you know this for a fact.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I did a press tour.
Speaker 1: I'll check with my mom. If Jason say your last
Speaker 1: name for me one more time?
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, prob Bateman, Jason Bateman.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll check. Wait, but I worked with Jason Bateman
Speaker 1: on SNEL before, so you were there.
Speaker 2: I go, what's.
Speaker 3: You have?
Speaker 2: Hilarious? It is one of my favorites. I done it
Speaker 2: in my top ten for sure.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's so good to see you go right a go, yes, yes, go.
Speaker 1: The way you say it makes me hate my name.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, sorry, no, no, no, I have I have
Speaker 1: so many things I want to ask you. Here's what
Speaker 1: I'll do. I'm going to try to respect your time.
Speaker 1: Damn it. That's set you up for failure that we
Speaker 1: haven't even started yet.
Speaker 2: It's fine.
Speaker 1: You and your heart out? Can I ask you something
Speaker 1: really personal?
Speaker 2: Do I really have a heart?
Speaker 1: Your heart out real?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, so the heart out. It's a great question.
Speaker 1: Because the heart out is not real most of the
Speaker 1: time a heart out, not ten times. A heart out
Speaker 1: is not real.
Speaker 3: I would have got I'd go eight out of ten,
Speaker 3: but you're probably yeah, let's go eight and a half
Speaker 3: out of ten. Part out is the great is bullshit? Okay,
Speaker 3: I the reason I have a heart out today.
Speaker 1: I don't have to tell me why, but I'll take it.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you why because otherwise you won't believe me.
Speaker 1: Okay, go off.
Speaker 2: I'm going to see my son.
Speaker 1: He is everyone and their kids. It's like me being
Speaker 1: like my dog. I have to pick my dog up.
Speaker 2: My dog's by also my dog.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my dog is dying.
Speaker 3: Shut the fuck up, and I need to go get
Speaker 3: him and have my son.
Speaker 1: Didn't you just finish up here?
Speaker 2: Well, but I need my son.
Speaker 1: Is your dog really dying?
Speaker 2: My son is dying, and so I.
Speaker 1: Need to go see.
Speaker 3: My dog to tell him to eat his homework one
Speaker 3: last time.
Speaker 1: Okay, this is fuck. It's dark, really dark dark.
Speaker 3: No, my uh, I'm picking my sun up at camp
Speaker 3: in Long Island. Oh, so I have to get all
Speaker 3: the way out to Long Island by the time camp
Speaker 3: ends at three o'clock.
Speaker 1: Okay, we're gonna get you to Long Island, So that
Speaker 1: means you have to walk twot twenty here. You said
Speaker 1: it was eleven oh five a little bit ago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I decided we're not getting that to twenty here. Well,
Speaker 1: me and you will talk until about two twenty.
Speaker 2: And I'm getting out to Long Island in forty minutes.
Speaker 1: Because you have a jet. You said you like to
Speaker 1: indulge a helicopter.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm sorry, And it's not as fast as the jet, okay,
Speaker 3: so I need to leave it to ten.
Speaker 1: Okay, so we have time. Can someone get Jason something
Speaker 1: to eat? We're hanging out, Yes, where he's gonna go.
Speaker 2: We catered the helicopter. Okay, I'll be fine.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you go, but I do want to
Speaker 1: you're a game with you. What time? What time?
Speaker 2: Let me really do the math right now? A squared
Speaker 2: plus B squared. It's called the callback, it's called the calls.
Speaker 2: I gotta get this way out of here.
Speaker 1: Okay. I do have one question. Okay, here's I have
Speaker 1: a question, and an I have several others, and.
Speaker 2: Then I have an hour's worth of more.
Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna be quick and concise. I promise you
Speaker 1: we've talked a lot about the things you're working on
Speaker 1: and the things about yourself that you feel are less
Speaker 1: than ideal or other people might think are less than ideal.
Speaker 1: I see you are at adept at doing that. May
Speaker 1: I well, I'm not asking permission, I'm doing it. I'm
Speaker 1: asking a quality of yours that you a good quality
Speaker 1: of yours that you have enjoyed from childhood to even
Speaker 1: now even in the present, as you've changed and are
Speaker 1: working on yourself. What's something that is good that has
Speaker 1: stuck with you in terms of your character.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and I think this actually probably connects
Speaker 3: to that negative quality of taking.
Speaker 2: Care of other people and their needs first and kind
Speaker 2: of thing.
Speaker 3: But I'm good at reading a room. I'm good at
Speaker 3: sort of being able to I think taken a tone
Speaker 3: and sort of you know, play into that tone accordingly.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I think sort of being able to meet
Speaker 3: people where they're at without you know, I used to
Speaker 3: want to be really provocative all the time. I used to,
Speaker 3: and I still enjoy making the joke that's unexpected and
Speaker 3: pushing buttons.
Speaker 1: Making my brain break about American pie. You got for example,
Speaker 1: hard on from that.
Speaker 2: I did still say my legs across. I'm still hard.
Speaker 1: Do you have to go pick up your son?
Speaker 2: I know, well, he's nothing he hasn't seen before, you know,
Speaker 2: and so.
Speaker 1: I see I like that quality of yours.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I just, you know, can kind of like, okay,
Speaker 3: this is this is the tone, and I just kind
Speaker 3: of need to meet everyone here. I think that's something
Speaker 3: that has served me well from the time I was
Speaker 3: a kid until until now.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, that's great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a one too. I don't think
Speaker 1: everyone obviously everyone can't be anything, but like I don't
Speaker 1: think as many people as you might imagine are good
Speaker 1: at reading a room. No, it's actually think it's quite
Speaker 1: an impressive stect.
Speaker 3: I think you're right, And I also think it has
Speaker 3: a lot to do. I think too, with like a selfishness,
Speaker 3: like I am not the only person in this room.
Speaker 2: I don't know what everyone else is dealing with. Let's
Speaker 2: you know, just patience. I think like it's a it's
Speaker 2: a let them show you as opposed to like you
Speaker 2: kind of dictating what the tone needs to be of
Speaker 2: a room. I don't know.
Speaker 3: No, I feel like I used to feel the need
Speaker 3: to come in and you know, and perform and do
Speaker 3: the whole thing.
Speaker 2: And it's like, you know, maybe I just need to
Speaker 2: let you know.
Speaker 1: I like that. But who am I? You know?
Speaker 2: I don't know who are you?
Speaker 1: I thought should be working together. My name is Ago.
Speaker 1: Say it, but don't because I hate when you do. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's gonna make us move on to the next segment.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, snla, No, you're supposed to say I
Speaker 3: know you from Thanks Dad.
Speaker 1: I heart podcast. I know, shut up?
Speaker 2: Hold on, you have a podcast.
Speaker 1: I was in Saved the Last Dance. Come on, I
Speaker 1: was and saved by the Mount. No, I was saved.
Speaker 2: I was in Saved my career.
Speaker 1: Please, I'm saying all these things and hopes you guys,
Speaker 1: she can act.
Speaker 3: Please, we're beg whatever. You've had like four movies come
Speaker 3: out since I saw you last.
Speaker 1: You know what? Life? You just made that up.
Speaker 2: I haven't met you before, so that's that. Hadn't seen
Speaker 2: you last? But did you just thought you were You've
Speaker 2: got a movie out.
Speaker 1: I do have what's called it's called Little Brother, And
Speaker 1: you didn't know that I know it is. You didn't
Speaker 1: your second question you asked me, I didn't count what's
Speaker 1: your name again?
Speaker 2: That doesn't count. There are those counties not allowed to
Speaker 2: ask me question.
Speaker 1: Throw you out of here, all the way to Long
Speaker 1: Island to get your son, and you're fake dog.
Speaker 3: You have to throw me out to Long Island. You
Speaker 3: just throw me to the West thirtieth Street Heliport, Thank
Speaker 3: you very much.
Speaker 1: You do have a plane. What's something you've indulged? You
Speaker 1: spend money. I do want to know what crazy indulgence?
Speaker 2: Lately?
Speaker 1: We're crazy as ever.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I mean yeah, I mean I have
Speaker 3: fucking chartered a plane. I mean I you have I
Speaker 3: have done that how much? I once chartered a plane
Speaker 3: that I couldn't take and it just sat on the
Speaker 3: tarmac all night. Well the pilots. I kept checking in
Speaker 3: with the pilots because I was stuck on set. So Hollywood,
Speaker 3: I chartered a plane. Chartered a plane to my friend's
Speaker 3: bachelor party in Vegas. My best friend's bachelor party, and
Speaker 3: I was going to be filming late Friday night, thinking
Speaker 3: I was going to be done like one in the morning.
Speaker 2: So I chartered a plane. It's just La to Vegas.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like a you know, crazy, but but it
Speaker 2: was still like myself.
Speaker 3: Two pilots might be and spend the money, paid, paid it,
Speaker 3: and and then the filming kept going later and later
Speaker 3: and later, and I would be checking in with my
Speaker 3: pilots and they they were like, we're still here, Like
Speaker 3: whatding do you think you're going to finish? I was like,
Speaker 3: hopefully another hour, maybe another hour. They'd be like, okay,
Speaker 3: just let us know. And then eventually, at like four
Speaker 3: in the morning, I was just like, they were like,
Speaker 3: we have to take a break at some something, and
Speaker 3: I was just like, you know what, just go yeah.
Speaker 3: And also Jason and I canceled them.
Speaker 2: I was like, just that was the.
Speaker 1: Weird chartered a plane and didn't get to take.
Speaker 2: It and then didn't get to.
Speaker 1: So you don't want to sleepy pilot. By the way,
Speaker 1: even if it is just to Vegas. I'm like trying
Speaker 1: to pull an all nighter for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not And I was like every time I
Speaker 3: checked in with them, they were they were drinking. So
Speaker 3: every time I was checking with them, they were getting
Speaker 3: drunker and you could tear them slurring their words.
Speaker 2: Just one more hours, yeah, we'll be.
Speaker 1: At the mind someone in the background yelling shots okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: glad you're here with us. Is what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 2: But okay, I spend my money on food.
Speaker 1: Me too. But here's perfect, perfect segue. It's time for
Speaker 1: a segment called that's nice, But what about me?
Speaker 2: Okay, I love it, it's great.
Speaker 1: I want to know a restaurant I should try besides
Speaker 1: Grassiella in the city Los Angeles or New York, Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: I meant to say, see my brain's breaking New York
Speaker 1: or Los Angeles, that I should try.
Speaker 3: Okay, a restaurant, A restaurant, Okay, well, boy, can you
Speaker 3: give me some parameters.
Speaker 1: On I like almost everything. I don't enjoy saffron this seasoning.
Speaker 2: Okay, so stay away from Indian, not totally, and don't
Speaker 2: clip that.
Speaker 1: Just like that. Stay away from Indian. Somebody clip this man.
Speaker 1: Stay away from a voice an Ai Jason Bing's ways. Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: I like Indian food, Okay.
Speaker 2: Not everything as saffron. Yes, but that's interesting.
Speaker 3: You don't like saffron though, most expensive spice in the world.
Speaker 3: And I, I mean, I guess that's a good for me.
Speaker 3: It's great you don't like I love it. I needed
Speaker 3: and everything myself. I was at dinner last night with Leah.
Speaker 3: I was like telling her that the week before I'd
Speaker 3: gone to dinner with the Mutual Front. I like to
Speaker 3: eat out a lot too, And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: we went to this Indian restaurant and I just told
Speaker 3: the server. I was like, hey, if something has saffron
Speaker 3: and it's not listed here, like, can you just alert
Speaker 3: me because I will absolutely take it off the list
Speaker 3: of things I'm getting. And Lee and I have this
Speaker 3: whole conversation as we're ordering our dinner, and I didn't
Speaker 3: say we weren't at an Indian restaurant. We read a
Speaker 3: Latin American restaurant.
Speaker 2: Yesterday.
Speaker 1: Our main dish was talking to her last course and
Speaker 1: I go, this.
Speaker 3: Is saffron out at saffron heady, saffron down.
Speaker 1: She goes, it is the color of it, And I
Speaker 1: go and I told you I could taste it a
Speaker 1: mile away. I'm like, it's not so prominent, but it's
Speaker 1: such a taste for me that I can like if
Speaker 1: you sprinkle it.
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, wow, And is it not an allergy?
Speaker 3: You didn't like start convulsing on the you were It
Speaker 3: was just a strong dislike.
Speaker 1: Maybe I should actually I did start. No, I just
Speaker 1: don't like the flavor. So wait where Tu'm but it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, just your favorite.
Speaker 2: There's a place I love in Queens called Saffron City.
Speaker 1: Okay, go to hell.
Speaker 2: They have these dump Oh sorry.
Speaker 1: You're not a friend at all. You'll tell me after.
Speaker 1: But Grassi Grossi is a good one.
Speaker 2: Grossil is a good one, just brand new? Do it? Yes?
Speaker 3: Do you like?
Speaker 2: You eat everything besides Saffron?
Speaker 1: I eat most things. I'm weird about pork, but I
Speaker 1: but I hate pork, but I'm weird about it. Like
Speaker 1: I'll eat bacon, I'll eat pork sauces.
Speaker 2: You know it's interesting. But yeah, I don't eat a
Speaker 2: lot of pork. But if a restaurant, it's a nicer restaurant,
Speaker 2: has a pork chop.
Speaker 3: On the menu, this is one of my rules of eating.
Speaker 3: I will always order it. And I just had what
Speaker 3: is maybe the best pork chop in New York City.
Speaker 2: Go Poros. It's a Greek restaurant in Tribeca, a pork chop.
Speaker 2: It was seasoned perfectly, and I asked the waiter.
Speaker 3: I said, well, the chef prepared this medium rare for me,
Speaker 3: because some kitchens will not do pork medium rare because
Speaker 3: they they're like skews white meat chicken. We're a little
Speaker 3: afraid we won't do that, liability kinds of which I'm like,
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: I've never heard of. But pork if it's a good
Speaker 2: piece of pork, medium, rare, and this was phenomenal, paros parros.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you what, tell me what go medium?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: Just as a black woman?
Speaker 2: Okay, why what does that have to do with why medium? Medium?
Speaker 1: Because me and undercooked meats? Have you seen this sketch
Speaker 1: this girl did on SNL. Not me, No, somebody, this
Speaker 1: other person, right, it wasn't.
Speaker 2: Me, right, of course. The tough meat, the tough meat,
Speaker 2: that was the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Tough meat, the whole the extra extra extra.
Speaker 2: Well does is that a cultural thing that I'm not aware?
Speaker 2: Aware of?
Speaker 1: That as well?
Speaker 2: I'm sorry? No, sorry? Oh fuck? Am I just being
Speaker 2: so racist right now?
Speaker 1: It's so fun.
Speaker 2: How, No, I have a friend, I used to have
Speaker 2: a friend, a black friend.
Speaker 1: Like one ever? Clip that? What more do I need?
Speaker 1: Clip that? In terms of black friends? Yeah, I love this.
Speaker 1: The title of this episode, Jason Biggs is so over.
Speaker 1: Jason Biggs is done. Honey.
Speaker 2: It is a thing.
Speaker 1: It is a thing, but it's more complex than we
Speaker 1: can discuss in the sixty seconds we have here. I
Speaker 1: shan't keep you.
Speaker 2: But we are gonna play medium though, which is medium? Medium?
Speaker 1: I graduated to medium from well done? Okay, thank you
Speaker 1: so much. Mal C.
Speaker 2: Do you speak any other languages?
Speaker 1: I say a couple of words in other language, A
Speaker 1: couple of words like mal c.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's Italian.
Speaker 1: Italian, Grassier, French, yep. Anyway, Jason, you need to go
Speaker 1: get your made up son. We're gonna play Thanks, no thanks,
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna set you free into the world. Okay, thanks,
Speaker 1: no thanks. Would you be saying thanks or no thanks
Speaker 1: if you received the following gifts A free T shirt
Speaker 1: given for being a top blood donor no thanks? Oh
Speaker 1: you don't want the free tea?
Speaker 2: Why? Because I have so much shit that I end
Speaker 2: up getting.
Speaker 3: I'm getting better about not hoarding and trying to keep
Speaker 3: my simplify, get rid of they don't you know, keep it?
Speaker 3: Donate it to someone else please who might actually need
Speaker 3: to wear a T shirt? Respect Happy to just give
Speaker 3: you my blood and then faith and that as well. Okay,
Speaker 3: unless you're black or Indian, will not my blood is
Speaker 3: for white people only.
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, Jason, you're making my job. It's so easy.
Speaker 1: A ferbie that will simply not shut up.
Speaker 2: Thanks, I'm gonna take that and give it to my
Speaker 2: made up son.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Okay, an aggressive wake up call service.
Speaker 2: What do you mean by aggressive like get the fuck
Speaker 2: out of bed?
Speaker 3: Yeah, like that that kind of thing, or aggressive meaning
Speaker 3: like it's constantly, like even in the middle of the game.
Speaker 2: It's a little bit of both.
Speaker 1: It's that, it's get the fuck out of bed, it's constant.
Speaker 3: It's but I'm gonna say thanks because I am paranoid
Speaker 3: about sleeping through an alarm, paranoid about punctuality, and I
Speaker 3: will say thanks to that.
Speaker 1: Okay. A horse, horse not whores. Wait what a horse?
Speaker 1: Not a multiple horse, a giddy up horse.
Speaker 2: I'd say thanks, Okay.
Speaker 1: Supplement they swear by, the gift giver swears by no
Speaker 1: thanks as you condescension, judgment.
Speaker 2: The judgment are you No?
Speaker 3: I was just thinking, like i've the irony because I've
Speaker 3: there was a time you hand me a pill.
Speaker 2: I would happily take it.
Speaker 3: No questions asked, Wow, oh man, the stuff that I
Speaker 3: was handed and just and now I'll be like, do
Speaker 3: I need that?
Speaker 2: Do I want that? I've got my own cock.
Speaker 1: You saw me.
Speaker 2: I started this.
Speaker 1: He started by taking this is This is not a
Speaker 1: TV show, it's a podcast.
Speaker 2: I started this podcast by taking a handful of pills.
Speaker 2: You did.
Speaker 3: I know, so I have very specific I think I'd
Speaker 3: inquire about it. Maybe i'd say thanks, But if it's
Speaker 3: just that you want this, I'd go, no thanks.
Speaker 1: Loosen a dirty hand, gross, No thanks, Yeah.
Speaker 2: That's some of your pocket lint.
Speaker 1: No thanks, thanks, that's where I keep the nuggets. Oh,
Speaker 1: and that it's time for thank you next. I'm sorry
Speaker 1: this is longer than I imagine, but you're fun and
Speaker 1: I'm canceling you, okay from care.
Speaker 2: I tell you honestly what I'm thinking right now. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: there is a world I could be I like, you
Speaker 2: literally could.
Speaker 1: Get I could clip it in a way that would
Speaker 1: be whack.
Speaker 3: Even in a way where you didn't intend for it.
Speaker 3: You're just like, oh, this could be funny, just show this.
Speaker 3: But then it's someone else says, because by the way,
Speaker 3: even if you do air that stuff in full context
Speaker 3: where it's like, oh funny, someone else could go like that,
Speaker 3: and then I'm canceled, not from you, but because of
Speaker 3: my product of.
Speaker 1: So it's like, thanks dad, do you have enemies? And
Speaker 1: like a one hundred minutes ago, but I do want
Speaker 1: to know if you have enemies? No, okay, good, I
Speaker 1: think you're gonna be okay. Then thank you next for
Speaker 1: I might be enemy. What's a question you'd like to
Speaker 1: ask our next guest?
Speaker 3: A question like that ask my next guest, my next guest,
Speaker 3: I would like to ask you you're gonna have an
Speaker 3: next guest.
Speaker 1: This isn't over because you're getting canceled and the podcast
Speaker 1: isn't getting canceled. You're getting canceled.
Speaker 2: I just don't know that you can after me being
Speaker 2: on this show. I just don't know that.
Speaker 3: First of all, I feel bad your next guest, I
Speaker 3: just read that way, But I say, what what what?
Speaker 3: What would the version of you from twenty years ago
Speaker 3: be most surprised to see about you now?
Speaker 1: I like that now, Cam Patterson. Previous guest wants to
Speaker 1: know who's your favorite rapper and why is it Rod Wave?
Speaker 2: I don't know who rod Wave is?
Speaker 1: Is that your final land.
Speaker 2: And my favorite rapper? Since it can't be rod Wave?
Speaker 2: Since I don't know Rod Wave. Have I heard his
Speaker 2: music or her music? I don't know their music.
Speaker 1: I've heard of broad Waves.
Speaker 2: You don't know either. Okay, I'm twelve years old. I
Speaker 2: don't wait, is that true? I don't know who I
Speaker 2: don't know is either?
Speaker 1: He looks twelve. Cam is on a show called Saturday
Speaker 1: Night Live. New cast member.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, okay, amazing are there though?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: No, I've hosted so many times.
Speaker 1: Okay, favorite rapper.
Speaker 2: Favorite rapper. Listen. I'm old and old school, so.
Speaker 3: You funk master flex? Uh no, Like I'm like a
Speaker 3: tribe called quest guy.
Speaker 1: Let's go Q tip Q tip vibrant thing. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: that's I will take it.
Speaker 2: Great. We're one of the I mean any wu tang?
Speaker 2: I mean I don't know? Yeah? Do you yeautiful? Anyway?
Speaker 1: I support it. That feels like a valid answer.
Speaker 2: And with that, Jason, thank you canceled. With that, Jason,
Speaker 2: You're canceled.
Speaker 1: You're done for honey, And it was a pleasure having you. Shit.
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