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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Thursday edition of Clay and Buck kicks off right now

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Speaker 2: all across the country.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate you being with us and got a lot to

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Speaker 3: talk about here. We are going to dive into the.

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Speaker 4: Latest on the FBI investigation or was there even investigation

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Speaker 4: into the Biden criminal bribery scheme.

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Speaker 2: I think that's something that deserves a whole lot more

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Speaker 2: attention with godd and will also be talking to you

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Speaker 2: about where things stand in the primary race. You may

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Speaker 2: have heard Clay had a little interview yesterday with a

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Speaker 2: former vice president that is now all over I don't know,

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Speaker 2: CBS News, Fox News, Politico, all over the place. Clay

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Speaker 2: basically asking if he ordered the code red or in

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Speaker 2: this case, will you order a pardon? The answer was

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Speaker 2: no answer. Clay was not accepting that as anzer and

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Speaker 2: a lot of people still listening to that one and

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Speaker 2: seeing what some of the big dynamics are. We will, Clay,

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Speaker 2: We'll go back to it. Some folks can hear it

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Speaker 2: if you missed it yesterday. We have that all queued

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Speaker 2: up for later on in the program to discuss. Also

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Speaker 2: look at the latest arguments around the Trump indictment. Obviously, Clay,

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Speaker 2: did you see you know Bill Barr was on the

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Speaker 2: what is the six Brent Behar six pm show on

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Speaker 2: Fox News and laid out his laid out his rationale.

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Speaker 2: Here we'll get into some of this. Basically, what we've

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Speaker 2: been saying I think is accurate, which is that the

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Speaker 2: case here that the primary defense is one actually of

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Speaker 2: politics and not of law, even though this is a

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Speaker 2: criminal indictment. Because if you if you accept that everything

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Speaker 2: is legitimate from the DOJ side and that this isn't

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Speaker 2: a targeted political hit, instruction starts to become challenging. We'll

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Speaker 2: get we'll get into this a little bit later, but effectively,

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Speaker 2: other presidents were Democrats. They get the political pass on

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Speaker 2: process crimes, which is all we're talking about earlier process crimes.

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Speaker 2: We'll discuss some of that analysis later. Obviously, Trump not

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Speaker 2: getting a pass at all. And one thing to keep

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Speaker 2: in mind here is I can we just do a

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Speaker 2: check it on this one, Claid, I do check itads

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Speaker 2: all the time. Are they going to bring January sixth

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Speaker 2: related charge against him?

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Speaker 5: I think they will. And the reason why I think

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Speaker 5: they will, Buck is I think they're gonna get nervous

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Speaker 5: really quickly. Given the judge that they have in Miami

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Speaker 5: and the jury pool, which let's just say is fifty

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Speaker 5: to fifty ish, they can now bring charges for January

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Speaker 5: sixth with a ninety five percent Democrat jury in DC.

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Speaker 5: And it almost feels like the safety net to me

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Speaker 5: for being able to get federal charges. I remember.

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Speaker 2: So this reminds me a little bit of because you

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Speaker 2: have all these different criminal think about this, how many

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Speaker 2: criminal charges are they going to bring? How many different

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Speaker 2: trials are they going to have Trump going through in

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Speaker 2: an election year. I think it makes the case for

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Speaker 2: this being political not only stronger, but it is obvious.

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Speaker 2: The case that this is politicized is ironclad.

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Speaker 3: It reminds me.

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Speaker 2: I had a friend who worked in college admissions many

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Speaker 2: years ago, and he said, one of the things I

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Speaker 2: always look for is if you have to have a

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Speaker 2: super thick file of five additional letters of recommendation that

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Speaker 2: nobody wants, and you know, ten videos of yourself doing

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Speaker 2: things that you think, it's just if the goods are there.

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Speaker 2: The goods are there, you don't need to inundate. You

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Speaker 2: don't need to anyway, and that's what they're doing. This

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Speaker 2: is the count of countless counts against Trump. But put

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Speaker 2: that aside for a secon We'll come back to this

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Speaker 2: all a little bit later. I thought this was really interesting.

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Speaker 2: I would love to see more. And that's why a

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Speaker 2: total credit for Sean getting Gavin Newsom to sit down

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Speaker 2: with him.

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Speaker 3: We need more of this.

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Speaker 2: We need more people who disagree, who have platforms and audience.

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Speaker 2: So you and I are not going to put someone

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Speaker 2: with you know, fifty Twitter followers who hates us on

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Speaker 2: the air to say crazy things, but people that have

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Speaker 2: can see what do they really think about this? I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think that Gavin Newsom, well, you liked, you liked

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Speaker 2: Gavin personally, you think he's slick, which, okay.

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Speaker 5: All right, appointed me how much I liked him. Buck.

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Speaker 5: I wanted to be like, I hate this guy, but

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Speaker 5: I was like, I wouldn't mind having a beer with

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Speaker 5: Gavin Newsom, and that that upsets me. I mean honestly,

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Speaker 5: but I thought he came off really well, and then

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Speaker 2: I mean, he just reminds me of like the guy

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Speaker 5: I'm not saying I'd want to bring my wife for

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Speaker 2: Uh, you know, he's just something real with them, really

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Speaker 2: smiley and underhanded about Gavin Newsom. But anyway, but he

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Speaker 2: basically took the perspective that some of this stuff that's

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Speaker 2: gone on in his state is indefensible. He kept saying

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Speaker 2: I own that, I own that, which is interesting because

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Speaker 2: what does that really mean, although it does work as

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Speaker 2: a deflection, But he was taking shots at Florida Governor

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Speaker 3: There's there are really two things about.

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Speaker 2: DeSantis right now that are simultaneously happening. There's the twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four presidential nomination contest, and he's in the very

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Speaker 2: clearly the number two slot right now in all the polls.

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Speaker 2: There really only are two candidates currently who have serious numbers.

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Speaker 2: Trump way out front DeSantis number two.

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Speaker 3: We all know that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's a part of what's going on, and we'll

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Speaker 2: talk more about that in the months ahead. But there's

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Speaker 2: also the red state blue state dynamic, which plays into.

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Speaker 3: The twenty twenty four election and is also for.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people, I think where they see policy

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Speaker 3: What did we decide? What has happened?

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Speaker 2: How has California acted during COVID and during BLM and

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Speaker 2: all the rest, and how died Florida Governor DeSantis calling out, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I havin Newsom here after the interview that Sean did

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Speaker 3: I want you to hear what he says.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's ready for it, He's ready to rumble,

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Speaker 2: play the clip.

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Speaker 6: He's got huge problems in his state. I mean, like

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Speaker 6: huge problems in his state. We all know that. I mean,

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Speaker 6: you see it in San Francisco, you see it in

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Speaker 6: La you see it in the people fleeing California from

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Speaker 6: its inception, gain population every single year until he became governor.

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Speaker 6: And yet with all those problems, he has a real

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Speaker 5: He does that.

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Speaker 6: What I would tell him is, you know what, stop

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's first of all, he's basically saying that

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Speaker 2: Gavin Newsom has Florida envy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's a part of it.

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Speaker 2: And he's also saying, if you're such a big man,

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Speaker 2: mister man of California, why don't you actually just say

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Speaker 2: I'm the guy, old man Biden. We all know what

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Speaker 5: Hear more of this props for use of the word

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Speaker 5: pussy footing, which we all know. You know, we all

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Speaker 5: know what the implication of the use of the word

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Speaker 5: pussy footing is. It ain't the second word that people

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Speaker 5: are going to focus on, all right, So that is

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Speaker 5: a phenomenal word to use to call out Gavin Newsom.

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Speaker 5: But buck this, to me, raises the question. I think

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Speaker 5: DeSantis raised it because he's talking about the Democrat Party.

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Speaker 5: We had Robert F. Kennedy on this show. I saw

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Speaker 5: where I believe Sean had Mary Anne Williamson on who

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Speaker 5: is the other Democrat that's running against Joe Biden.

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Speaker 3: This is a story.

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Speaker 5: I believe it was in Politico this morning that I

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Speaker 5: was reading, you know, getting ready for the show. They

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Speaker 5: are now saying that Biden, because of his commitment to

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Speaker 5: South Carolina being the first primary, may skip Iowa and

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Speaker 5: New Hampshire may not even campaign there. If you hear that,

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Speaker 5: that feels to me like a very big error strategically.

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Speaker 5: Why wouldn't Gavin Newsom step into this race? I feel

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Speaker 5: like Democrats collectively, now, maybe not the DNC and maybe

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Speaker 5: not the grand poobas of the party, but I feel

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Speaker 5: like Democrats as a collective group are begging for someone

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Speaker 5: to challenge Joe Biden. I think DeSantis. I mean sorry,

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Speaker 5: I think Newsom really, if he won Iowa and he

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Speaker 5: momentum to potentially beat I know you think this is crazy.

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Speaker 5: I think he could potentially beat Biden in the primary.

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Speaker 3: I don't think you could be Biden the primary, but.

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Speaker 2: I think anything, you know, by the same tone, gonna

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Speaker 3: So you know, who really knows?

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Speaker 2: Because but here's what I think the plan is for

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Speaker 2: the Democrats. We keep seeing all the polls and what's

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Speaker 5: It's over half of Democrats want somebody else to want

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Speaker 2: And as a reminder, Trump support when he was president

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Speaker 3: It was like.

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Speaker 2: Me which obviously, yeah, that support is fake because he's

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Speaker 2: a dictator. But you guys got what I'm saying. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's like the numbers were through the roof. It was

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Speaker 2: like ninety eight ninety nine percent level support within the party.

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Speaker 2: And and Joe Biden obviously doesn't have that here. Here's

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Speaker 2: plan here and it's maybe it's even implicit, but everybody

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Speaker 2: fun if you and I were Democrats strategist, just think

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Speaker 2: about that. Yeah, the way, just take a moment, Clay.

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Speaker 2: We get like book deals that are way beyond we're

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Speaker 2: ever going to sell, just because you know, people people

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Speaker 2: like us, because the machine we get invited, we get

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Speaker 2: invited on all these like you know, the like CBS

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Speaker 2: morning shows, and everyone's like, hey, man.

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Speaker 3: Like you're so great, You're so smart.

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Speaker 2: You know, oh man, Hollywood, Hollywood people would be talking

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Speaker 3: Anyway. I'm just kidding. I would never want to do

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Speaker 2: But if we were sitting there and we were Democrats,

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Speaker 2: we were strategizing this. I think the way that they

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Speaker 2: can they can rationalize Biden two point zero or the

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Speaker 2: second Biden term, is it's just about pushing him across

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Speaker 2: the finish line as the incumbent against let's say Trump,

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Speaker 2: because it looks like that's what's going to happen. And

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Speaker 2: then you have Kamala Harris. I think she takes over

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't think Joe Biden leed. You don't even think

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Speaker 2: that he's Joe Biden last year.

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Speaker 2: to do it because you want to sort of have

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Speaker 2: a little bit of both sides in the process.

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Speaker 5: And what I would point to Buck here is remember

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Speaker 5: Ted Cruz. Nobody got savaged more by by Donald Trump

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Speaker 5: than Ted Cruz in the twenty sixteen primary. Not only

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Speaker 5: did Donald Trump go after him, he went after his dad,

445
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Speaker 5: he went after his wife. I mean, it was nasty.

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Speaker 5: And what did Ted Cruz do when Donald Trump got elected?

447
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Speaker 5: Ted Cruz could have been a whiny little brat who

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Speaker 5: was upset about how nasty the twenty sixteen campaign was. Instead,

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Speaker 5: to his credit, Ted Cruz manned up and he said,

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Speaker 5: this guy's the president. I'm going to bust my ass

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Speaker 5: to be the most effective Senator I can for the

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Speaker 5: state of Texas and my constituents, even if maybe my

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Speaker 5: feelings are hurt, and even maybe if I feel like

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump didn't treat me fairly to me. That's what

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Speaker 5: I wanted to hear from Mike Pince, like, look, I'm

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Speaker 5: mad at Trump. Be mad at him because of what

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Speaker 5: happened on January sixth and the way you think he

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Speaker 5: was treated. But being mad at someone and not standing

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Speaker 5: on principle is the opposite of what I want whoever

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Speaker 5: is in that behind that resolute desk to do.

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Speaker 2: People can disagree with Bill Barr, for example, he's telling

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Speaker 2: you where he really stands on this stuff, like he's not.

463
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Speaker 2: He's saying, look, yeah, I work for the guy. I quit.

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Speaker 2: I disagreed with some of the stuff at the end

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Speaker 2: about the election. I defended him and he did and

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Speaker 2: I remember it very strenuously against the Mueller probe, which

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Speaker 2: is really why I think, you know, he was willing

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Speaker 2: to take the job in the first place.

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Speaker 3: And he's like, this is where I am on this.

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Speaker 3: He's like Trump.

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Speaker 2: Bill Barr's point on this is he broke the law

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Speaker 2: and he brought it on himself. Now you can disagree

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Speaker 2: with that, but Bill Barr's coming out and saying it.

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Speaker 2: You can say that you think that that's you know,

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Speaker 2: terrible wrong, whatever, but he's saying, and I feel like

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Speaker 2: you're your problem. Yesterday with or the part that brought

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Speaker 2: out the ferociousness of Clay Travis for a moment, which

478
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Speaker 2: is not a very common sight, by the way, was

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Speaker 2: that he wasn't willing to tell us what he really

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Speaker 2: that Pence wasn't willing to say it. You know, that's

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Speaker 2: why we'll have Chris Christy and some of you. I

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Speaker 2: know we're going to get mad at us for even

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Speaker 2: having Chris Christy on the show. He's running for president.

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Speaker 2: He says what he thinks. He's willing to make the case.

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Speaker 2: Now we'll ask him questions if he says things we

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Speaker 2: disagree with it or think are unfair. We'll push back

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Speaker 2: on it. There'll probably be some fireworks and they'll probably

488
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Speaker 2: first of we're not well here. We're not going to

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Speaker 2: hide from this stuff because I actually don't. I don't

490
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Speaker 2: think it's good. I don't think it's good for Trump

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Speaker 2: or any of us, anyone who really believes in him

492
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Speaker 2: in the media, to just hide from all of the

493
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Speaker 2: arguments that are out there and create some some echo chamber.

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Speaker 3: All of that said, the View, the ladies of have.

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Speaker 5: You heard this? I have no idea what we're about

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Speaker 5: to play. This happened just in the last hour on

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Speaker 5: the View right. Have you heard this audio.

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Speaker 3: At all time? I have not. I have not heard

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Speaker 3: the audio, but they did.

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Speaker 2: They were speaking about us, talking about how wise and

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Speaker 2: handsome we are.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm looking forward to hearing that. They clear.

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Speaker 8: Here.

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Speaker 3: Here is one of the co hosts of the View

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Speaker 3: play it.

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Speaker 9: You can't miss in this that that's one of the

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Speaker 9: most listened to right right wing radio shows in the country.

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Speaker 9: And they're essentially making the argument in twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 9: the Year of Our Lord, that because you think DOJ

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Speaker 9: might be a little political, you throw out all the

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Speaker 9: crimes that are listed in this indictment, like, that's the

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Speaker 9: first side of the absurdity here, and that there's a

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Speaker 9: lot of people who actually believe that.

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Speaker 2: Can I just say every single Democrat nodding at that table,

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Speaker 2: every single Democrat in that audience and watching at home,

516
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Speaker 2: the live audience and watching at home went along with

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Speaker 2: the Oh, come on, Hillary's running for president. Let's forget

518
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Speaker 2: about the Espionagac statute in this case. It doesn't make

519
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Speaker 2: it's not big enough. We need to let the election

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Speaker 2: play out without exception. They all made that case, and

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Speaker 2: now they're gonna sit there.

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Speaker 3: Like, oh, but look, the law's the law, and they're

523
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Speaker 3: making this absurd case about the politicization of it. It's

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Speaker 3: not absurd.

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Speaker 2: This goes to the very center of do we have

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Speaker 2: a justice system or not? If only one side bears

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Speaker 2: the consequences of the letter of the law, then we

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Speaker 2: do not have a justice system.

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Speaker 3: We have a political persecution system.

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Speaker 5: Amen. I agree with all of that. And the other

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Speaker 5: thing I would say, so did they play our audio?

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Speaker 5: I guess they played the audio, and then she I

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Speaker 5: appreciate whoever I think that's Alyssa Fara Griffin. If I'm

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Speaker 5: not mistaken. I think I recognize her voice. She's the

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Speaker 5: conservative on the view quotation marks there. I appreciate the fact.

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Speaker 5: I don't think she says she's in a conservative right.

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Speaker 5: I think she's, like, you know, a little of the

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Speaker 5: left of Paul Ryan. Would she describe herself as a conservative,

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Speaker 5: It's a great question. I don't know. But I appreciate

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Speaker 5: the fact that she told the view audience what is

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Speaker 5: the truth, which is this show has a massive audience. True,

542
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Speaker 5: A big part of that the legacy of Rush and

543
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Speaker 5: the honesty that he shared with you every single day.

544
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Speaker 5: But I like to think, as we come up on

545
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Speaker 5: the two year anniversary of us being in these chairs,

546
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Speaker 5: sitting behind these microphones, that a lot of you have

547
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Speaker 5: come to agree like you may not agree with us

548
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Speaker 5: on a day to day basis, but we're going to

549
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Speaker 5: tell the truth to you in a way that doesn't

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Speaker 5: exist very frequently in much of the rest of the media.

551
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Speaker 5: But I think that's the essence of this right. Pence

552
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Speaker 5: seems to believe that the Republican contingent out there is

553
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Speaker 5: of the opinion in that the justice system is fair.

554
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Speaker 5: He said, we either have rule of law or we

555
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Speaker 5: don't that's the problem. I don't think and I'm saying

556
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Speaker 5: this is a lawyer, I don't think we have a fair,

557
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Speaker 5: impartial justice system. And if we do not, then I

558
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Speaker 5: do not believe you can sit on the sideline and

559
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Speaker 5: just say, well, we got to just wait and see

560
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Speaker 5: how all this plays out. No, we have to take

561
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Speaker 5: up arms against metaphorically speaking, the absurdity of what is

562
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Speaker 5: going on right now with the weaponization of the justice

563
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Speaker 5: system against one particular political party, and to a large

564
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Speaker 5: extent one right now head of that party. But it's

565
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Speaker 5: not going to be just Trump. This is coming for everybody.

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Speaker 5: We've said the santusart bat trying to arrest him for kidnapping.

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Speaker 2: Which is completely insane. I would just note, and I think,

568
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Speaker 2: and I've heard this from people, and it's it's a

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Speaker 2: worthwhile point to make the same voices right now, the

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Speaker 2: same Democrat voices that are saying the law.

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Speaker 3: Is the law, we need the rule of law. And

572
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Speaker 3: Trump used to go to prison for one hundred years.

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Speaker 2: Are people who have you said to them, Okay, fine, fine,

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Speaker 2: you know what, We'll go along with this. You're right,

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Speaker 2: laws of law. Let's lock up a former president for

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Speaker 2: decades because he had some documents in a shower that

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Speaker 2: nobody saw that he thought were his because of his

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Speaker 2: interpretation of whatever, right, let's go along with that. I'm

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Speaker 2: glad we've established the law as the law. What are

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Speaker 2: we going to do with all the illegal immigrants in

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Speaker 2: this country in violation of federal law who are supposed

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Speaker 2: to be deported?

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Speaker 3: And you know what they'll all do?

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Speaker 10: All but more, a nation of immigrants and people with

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Speaker 10: ties to the commit federal law says they are subject

586
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Speaker 10: to deportation, all of them in the country illegally.

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Speaker 3: What are we going to do about them? And all

588
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Speaker 3: of a sudden you'll get all these arguments.

589
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Speaker 10: Human rights, basic decency, nation of immigrants, the statue of liberty.

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Speaker 3: But hold on a second clay. I thought the law

591
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Speaker 3: was the law.

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Speaker 5: It's a great point. The law has always been subject

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Speaker 5: to a great deal of discretion, and the discretion that

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Speaker 5: is being exercised right now is, in my opinion, indefensible.

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Speaker 5: And look, buck people are focusing on Vivek Ramaswami saying this.

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Speaker 5: I was before Vivek a month ago. People listened to

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Speaker 5: our interview with DeSantis. I asked this question, but I

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Speaker 5: came on and I said, I think every Republican running,

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Speaker 5: But long before this became a story, I said on

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Speaker 5: the show, every Republican running, as a matter of principle,

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Speaker 5: needs to say they will not let Donald Trump go

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Speaker 5: to prison. And I'm sticking to it. And I think

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Speaker 5: the primary. And I think a lot of our listeners

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Speaker 3: A Welcome on It everybody.

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Speaker 2: Third hour of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

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Speaker 2: kicks off right now, and we're gonna make sure we

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Speaker 2: give you any updates if there are already updates to

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Speaker 2: the legal arguments that have been discussed here on the

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Speaker 2: show around the Trump indictment, any new clips, new ideas,

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Speaker 2: because that's clearly dominating.

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Speaker 3: A lot of what you're seeing online.

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Speaker 2: But there's another legal story out there that I thought

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Speaker 2: we should spend some time on today, and it has

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Speaker 2: to do with Daniel Penny. So we know that Daniel Penny,

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Speaker 2: just just by way of review, he is the marine

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Speaker 2: who stepped in when Jordan Neely was threatening to kill

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Speaker 2: people on a subway train and he put him in

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Speaker 2: threatening people on the subway with, but he put him

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657
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Speaker 2: as they could at the next station, and Neely subsequently died.

658
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Speaker 3: And we're being.

659
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 2: Told that this is a case of vigilanteism and there's

660
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 2: a very clear political narratives that play here. Okay, well,

661
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 2: let's look at what actually we know at this point.

662
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,719
Speaker 2: He has been indicted on manslaughter charges. He faces a

663
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 2: maximum of fifteen years in prison for that manslaughter charge

664
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 2: and also another charge for criminally negligent homicide, which carries

665
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 2: four years behind bars. Now just so everyone is up

666
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 2: with what the Democrats Clay here are claiming, because this

667
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 2: has become very part because, as you've said, he's a

668
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 2: white guy and the guy he killed is black. So

669
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Speaker 2: this is why this becomes a big national news story

670
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 2: because it fits into a false narrative if there's a

671
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 2: lot of white on black murder that occurs regularly in

672
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 2: this country because of all the white supremacisty, white supremacy

673
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 2: and racism and all the rest. CNN refers to and

674
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 2: runs full like big photos of Jordan Neely dressed as

675
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson and refers to him as a street artist

676
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 2: who died from a chokehold on a subway, refers to

677
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 2: the morning at the funeral they'd present the most sympathetic

678
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 2: picture of this guy they possibly can. Meanwhile, Neely had

679
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 2: recently punched a woman in an elderly woman in the face,

680
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 2: shattered her nose in her eye socket, no reason, just

681
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:39,959
Speaker 2: because Also it's believed that he threatened to push a

682
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 2: woman in front of a train, which is every New

683
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 2: York City subway rider's worst fear these days, because it

684
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,959
Speaker 2: does occasionally happen, and it's horrific. It happened recently as

685
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 2: a woman on the Upper East Side of Manhattan thrown

686
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 2: in front of a subway train. She's now paralyzed. No

687
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 2: one talks about this, but they should because of what's

688
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 2: going on here, I mean Clay at a time when

689
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 2: cities are so violent and there's so much of a

690
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 2: rise in crime in the last few years that people

691
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 2: are leaving those cities because Democrats make the case that

692
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 2: you shouldn't really be too hard on criminals. For them

693
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,240
Speaker 2: to go after this guy and have him face almost

694
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 2: twenty years in prison for this just seems to be

695
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 2: the worst kind of ideological Soros inspired rot when it

696
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 2: comes to criminal justice.

697
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 5: I think of this also ties in really well, Buck

698
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 5: with what you talked about. As a longtime resident of

699
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 5: New York City, and I know we have a monster

700
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 5: audience in New York City, but also people who live

701
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 5: in all different sorts of cities all over America, and

702
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 5: when you're seeing your city's descend into lawlessness, there's this

703
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 5: question of what you should do. Right if you happen

704
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 5: to be like Neely is here, a relatively young and

705
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 5: healthy former marine, right, a guy who is able to

706
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:06,439
Speaker 5: take care of himself, shouldn't you put yourself out there

707
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,439
Speaker 5: in any way and try to protect people who are

708
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 5: not as able to take care of themselves as you are.

709
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 5: I think this is something in the back of every

710
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 5: guy who's out there listening to us right now, in

711
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 5: the back of your mind, especially if you're a guy

712
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 5: in your twenties, in your thirties, maybe in your forties,

713
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,439
Speaker 5: you're still really in good physical condition. You're in better shape,

714
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 5: better able to take care of yourself than most people are.

715
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 5: And when you hear him, talk Buck and explain, as

716
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 5: we played on this program earlier this week, there were women, children,

717
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 5: people of all different races that he felt like this

718
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 5: guy was threatening and he felt obligated to try to

719
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 5: do something to protect people who were not able to

720
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Speaker 5: protect themselves. And I wonder to what extent when you

721
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 5: see the story to your point, Buck, they are right

722
00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 5: now reducing charges on virtually everyone out out there who

723
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 5: commits actual, intentional acts of violence. How do you not

724
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:10,240
Speaker 5: think to yourself, I'm not going to do anything. Remember

725
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 5: we played Buck, the dad and the mom and the kid,

726
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 5: and the guy on the subway is just threatening and

727
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 5: screaming at that family as they sit on the subway,

728
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 5: and you said to me, you're a dad, Clay, what

729
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 5: would you want to do in that situation? Well, in

730
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 5: that situation, I would want to protect my family, But

731
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 5: I would also think to myself, I'm a white guy.

732
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 5: This guy is black screaming at the family. He may

733
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 5: be armed, right, I might accelerate this situation by even

734
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 5: trying to protect my family in any way? And do

735
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 5: I feel comfortable that if a thirty second video was

736
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 5: taken of our interaction, then it would in any way

737
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 5: reflect positively on me because I'm a white guy, he's

738
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 5: a black guy, even though he would have started this

739
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 5: violence and be threatening wife and kid who are clearly

740
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 5: on a to protect themselves. I think a lot of

741
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 5: people just put their head down. I think there's people

742
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 5: all over the country right now who when they see

743
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 5: people that they think are engaging in threats of violence

744
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 5: or violent behavior in general. I think there's a lot

745
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 5: of men out there who are afraid of putting themselves

746
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 5: into the equation and they just drop their eyes and

747
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 5: hope they don't have eye contact made. When Alvin Brad

748
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 5: that we're here right now.

749
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Speaker 2: When Alvin Brad came into office in January of twenty

750
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 2: twenty two. And look, it's a shame that New York

751
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 2: State residents weren't able to get it together enough and

752
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 2: put LESE. Helden in the governor's mansion. Instead, they have

753
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 2: Kathy Hochel, who is honestly a low IQ unethical disaster.

754
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 2: And no one even no one ever would have dreamed

755
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 2: that somebody so inact would become the governor of a

756
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 2: major state. I think, well, maybe not, there's a lot

757
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 2: of stupid governors these days. But nonetheless, here we are

758
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 2: looking at Bragg, and I would remind everybody that with

759
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 2: the Daniel Penny situation, he's going.

760
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 3: For he's basically going for the juggular.

761
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 2: I mean, fifteen years on one count, four on another,

762
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 2: twenty years, your life is basically over. I mean you're not,

763
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 2: you're you know, his most productive years are going to

764
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 2: be spent in a prison cell if he gets convicted

765
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 2: on this. Meanwhile, when Bragg came into office, Bragg, who

766
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 2: just you know, is he's a true social justice warrior

767
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 2: in that he also went to a sixty five thousand

768
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 2: dollars a year private school in Manhattan, so you know

769
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 2: he knows the struggle. But he said that fourth degree

770
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 2: stalking resisting arrest, obstructing government, prostitution, not paying for a

771
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 2: public transportation no le, you can have up to three

772
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 2: ounces of marijuana. None of that will be prosecuted, so

773
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 2: you can oh trespassing. So there's stalking charges, trespassing charges,

774
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 2: resisting arrest charges, obstructing government, which often is involved with

775
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 2: police trying to do their jobs, prostitution, lots and lots

776
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 2: of weed, which is still a federal crime.

777
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 3: By the way, people forget that play.

778
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 2: All of that not going to be prosecuted under brag administration.

779
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 3: Now, how are these things related.

780
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 2: On the one hand, you have the Democrat mindset that

781
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 2: going soft on crime is inherently just, which is completely

782
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 2: insane because you just create a lot more victims. But

783
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 2: also these more minor things lead to an environment where

784
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 2: you have more Jordan Neelys, You have more people going

785
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 2: around terrorizing their fellow New Yorkers getting away with it.

786
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 2: The cops are demoralized, the prosecutor's hands are tied, and

787
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 2: everybody sick of it. And you know this is if

788
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 2: I could, I would if I could go and like

789
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 2: pick a place I would love to go on a

790
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 2: set of Mourning Joe or someone like Joe Scarborough who

791
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 2: lives in a mansion in Florida, you know, with his

792
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 2: second wife. If you were to do that, I would

793
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 2: want to be able to sit down and say to them,

794
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 2: you guys have private drivers, what do you think it's

795
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 2: like for people who ride the subway normally all the time?

796
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 2: And why do you think they should have to live

797
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 2: in constant fear of maniacs? Will all vote for Joe

798
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 2: Biden if they vote for anyone like I would really

799
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 2: want to push them on this, Yeah, because there's no defense.

800
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 2: There's no argument, honest argument of how Democrats approach this

801
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 2: stuff anymore. And it's really it's shameful that the Republicans

802
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 2: haven't been able to capitalize on this and take more

803
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 2: control on a in a whole range of places and

804
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 2: a whole range of offices.

805
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Speaker 5: You want to play we come back on this next

806
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 5: break here in a second, let's play the Daniel Penny

807
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 5: because we have him right now. I think we've got

808
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 5: Daniel Penny right now, right the forty second clip of

809
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 5: him explaining what he was doing to do.

810
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, yeah, Daniel Penny, people, Yeah, go for it.

811
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 11: You can see in the video there's a clear rise

812
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 11: and fall of his chest, indicating that he's breathing. I'm

813
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 11: trying to restrain him from him being able to carry

814
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 11: out the threats. And then some people say that this

815
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 11: was about race, which is absolutely ridiculous. I didn't see

816
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 11: a black man threatening passengers. I saw him man threatening passengers.

817
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 5: A lot of whom were people of color.

818
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 11: A man who helped restrain mister Neelie was a person

819
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 11: of color. A few days after the incident, I read

820
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 11: in the papers that a woman of color came out

821
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:15,439
Speaker 11: and called me a hero.

822
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 9: What.

823
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 11: I don't believe that I'm a hero, but she was

824
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 11: one of those people that I was trying to protect.

825
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 2: So this is something that people hear and they go,

826
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 2: I want Daniel Penny on my subway. Yep, like normal

827
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:33,720
Speaker 2: people of all races, religions, colors, you name it, normal people,

828
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 2: everyday people. They all want Daniel Penny on their subway,

829
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 2: all of them. They might not all feel comfortable saying

830
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 2: that out loud, because you know they'll get made fun

831
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 2: of on MSNBC.

832
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 3: For being racist. And they want someone like Daniel Penny.

833
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 3: They don't care if it's a white guy, a black guy,

834
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 3: Hispanic guy, an Asian guy.

835
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 2: They want some male to be there to step in

836
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 2: or perhaps you know for some people listening there like, well,

837
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 2: I'd be that guy myself. But you know, when we

838
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,439
Speaker 2: talked to even our friends off air about this, Clay

839
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 2: and you know, we talked to producer Ally Rise a

840
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 2: subway a lot on the show. She's a you know,

841
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 2: she's a woman, she's probably five six or so and

842
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 2: has to think about what do I do if a

843
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,720
Speaker 2: maniac comes up and threatens me on the subway?

844
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 3: How do I handle that? Because I'm on my own

845
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 3: now right, I don't know. I can't.

846
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 2: I can't think that a Daniel Penny's going to step

847
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 2: forward because people aren't going to risk fifteen or twenty

848
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 2: years in prison because Alvin Bragg is a racial Marxist, like,

849
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 2: they're not going to do that.

850
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 5: I'm going to have two kids in New York City

851
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 5: with me next week, Buck, I'm going up to Cooperstown,

852
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 5: New York. People know this Little League tournament that I'm

853
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 5: driving over to New York City. You know, my wife

854
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 5: said to me last night, she said, whatever you do,

855
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 5: don't take the kids on the subway. We've been in

856
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 5: New York City before. We've taken the kids on the subway.

857
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 5: My wife said to me last night, do not take

858
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 5: the boys on the subway with you. Don't take the

859
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 5: kids on I never said it before. I bet there

860
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 5: are a ton of people New York City taking their

861
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 5: kids in. Maybe you're traveling up there during the summer,

862
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 5: taking a family vacation. Whatever, legitimately said to me, Promise

863
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,240
Speaker 5: to me that you will not take them on the subway.

864
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 5: Take ubers, walk wherever you want to go. Don't get

865
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 5: on the subway with them.

866
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a very straightforward pathway to how we

867
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 2: got here, and it's taken a long time, but we

868
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 2: really reached this moment of with BLM two point zero.

869
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 2: It just got ratcheted up to a whole new level.

870
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:32,240
Speaker 2: And because of George Floyd, you know that whole situation.

871
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 2: But they decided to empty out the asylums and then

872
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 2: empty out the prisons, and then stop enforcing the law.

873
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Speaker 2: And now they enforce laws against people who want to

874
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 2: defend themselves. When you see it on this continuum, put

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00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 2: the most extremely mentally, you know, compromise people possible out

876
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 2: in society. Tell them they can live on the streets,

877
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 2: Tell them they can do drugs out in the open.

878
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 2: Tell them they can urinate, defecate, throw things at people,

879
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 2: steal stores. Tell them this is normal. Now make this

880
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 2: a normal. See for all of major American cities in

881
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 2: Democrat controlled the enclaves, and then wonder why is it

882
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 2: that all these stores are closing? Why is it that

883
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 2: there are hundreds and hundreds of nine to one one

884
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Speaker 2: calls to single whole Foods in San Francisco. And you know,

885
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Speaker 2: part of the problem here is I think Clay, that

886
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Speaker 2: that the propaganda the Democrats are constantly subjected to around

887
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 2: criminal justice is so powerful that they don't think they

888
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 2: can embrace the reality of better policing, more serious criminal

889
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 2: justice system because they've been told that that's racist, so

890
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 2: that they can that's not an option, right. I think

891
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 2: this is part of what goes on. The Democrats claim

892
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Speaker 2: that the old way of doing policing, I mean the

893
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 2: way from you know, four or five years ago, racist

894
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 2: and you sit here and you say, well, they're not

895
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 2: going to accept being racist, So what do we have?

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Speaker 3: More and more fai and that's what we see.

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Speaker 5: I think that's underd percent right, and I would like

898
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Speaker 5: to be we talked earlier about Buck about the idea

899
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Speaker 5: of jury nullification. If you're on that Trump jury down

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Speaker 5: in South Florida, I hope that when this case involving

901
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Speaker 5: Daniel Penny eventually goes in front of a New York

902
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 5: City jury, I hope that there are some of our

903
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 5: listeners that are in that mix that could find themselves

904
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 5: there to be able to defend this guy who clearly

905
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:33,479
Speaker 5: clearly is being wildly overcharged and should have never been

906
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Speaker 5: charged at all, and keep him out of prison.

907
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Speaker 2: I think that why they're including that four year you know,

908
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 2: reckless homicide or involuntary manslaughter rather in voluntary manslaughter charge,

909
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 2: They're gonna they're gonna try to push on that.

910
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Speaker 3: You know.

911
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 2: They include the big charge, which is outrageous of murder. Basically,

912
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 2: this guy went out and just murdered somebody, But they

913
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Speaker 2: include the lesser charge, right, so they can actually get

914
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 2: so second degree manslaughter is the big one. Criminally negligent

915
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Speaker 2: homicide is the four year charge. The idea here being,

916
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Speaker 2: oh well, we went for the we went for the

917
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 2: big charge. If we can't get that, we'll take the

918
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 2: four years for negligent homicide, right, And.

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Speaker 5: The idea that the jury basically compromises.

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00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 3: That's right.

921
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Speaker 5: Oh, we're not going to hit him with the big one,

922
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 5: but we'll hit him with this mid tier one, and

923
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 5: that that way they'll still be able to trumpet this conviction.

924
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Speaker 5: And I think that at a very basic level, we're

925
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Speaker 5: talking about the broader political and criminal justice narratives. But

926
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Speaker 5: you know, and I remember my last year in New

927
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Speaker 5: York City a few different times, maniac's just yelling. I

928
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Speaker 5: didn't no interaction. Them just came up to me yelling

929
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Speaker 5: crazy stuff on the street. Yeah, it's stuff that I

930
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Speaker 5: could never repeat on the radio. And it just happens.

931
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Speaker 2: But if someone comes up to you and says and

932
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Speaker 2: threatens to kill you, you are on the subway, I remember,

933
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 2: you can't go anywhere, you can't escape. Yeah, if someone

934
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Speaker 2: comes up to you and they're menacing other people and

935
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 2: you can see what's going on with that, and then

936
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Speaker 2: they say I'm going to kill you, I'm willing to

937
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Speaker 2: go to jail for it, you are obligated to sit there,

938
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Speaker 2: do nothing and hope they don't stab you with something,

939
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Speaker 2: because if you do anything.

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Speaker 3: Oh, he's a Michael Jackson impersonator.

941
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Speaker 2: What do you mean, why would you ever you know,

942
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Speaker 2: I mean, this is not the society that any sane

943
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 2: person wants to live in. You're not allowed to threaten

944
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Speaker 2: to kill people. You're not allowed to do that. So

945
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Speaker 2: all right, it's a crazy, crazy situation where you continue

946
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Speaker 2: to follow it closely.

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Speaker 5: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Uh, did

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Speaker 5: you guys see Like I know that some people say, oh,

968
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Speaker 5: you know, COVID's over, It's ridiculous to even talk about

969
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Speaker 5: anything relating to COVID, But I wanted to make sure

970
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Speaker 5: that we talked about this and the fact that it

971
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Speaker 5: still isn't going away. Buck. There was a dispute lately.

972
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Speaker 5: I think we talked about this a little bit on

973
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 5: the on the air that basically the Biden administration refuses

974
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Speaker 5: to acknowledge that to you, year olds should never have

975
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 5: been wearing masks, right, that it was totally absurd that

976
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 5: they were ever required to wear masks like this is basic.

977
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Speaker 5: The most the most bare bones analysis would say, Buck,

978
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Speaker 5: that any two year old ever required to wear a

979
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Speaker 5: mask was a failure of American public policy.

980
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Speaker 3: It was child abuse.

981
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Speaker 2: Yes, And I think we popularized that phrase in response

982
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 2: to it on this show more than anyone else. We

983
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 2: said it here first. I stand by it one hundred percent.

984
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 2: And people who were you know, pushing for that and

985
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 2: actively almost enjoying the masking of their small children should

986
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 2: do a lot of soul searching for why they're incapable

987
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Speaker 2: of independent thought and reason and rational, rational approaches to things.

988
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 2: But it's kind of funny, is that we city we're

989
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,240
Speaker 2: talking about shoul. Two year olds have been masked. Nobody

990
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,760
Speaker 2: should have been masked. Correct Ever, they were wrong about

991
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 2: all of it. That's why they don't talk about it anymore. Everybody,

992
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 2: it was all stupid. Every person who.

993
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 3: Was like, mask up save lives is not as smart

994
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 3: as they thought.

995
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 5: No doubt. However, Gerald Nadler, Congressman from New York, actually

996
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Speaker 5: went on the House floor.

997
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Speaker 3: Yesterday, Buck and Twinkie enthusiast. Yes, he was on the House.

998
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Speaker 5: Yes, he went on the House floor yesterday, and he

999
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 5: said that it was child abuse if parents didn't insist

1000
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Speaker 5: that their two year olds wore a mask. This is

1001
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Speaker 5: not from July of twenty twenty. This is yesterday. These

1002
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 5: people were wrong, and they need to be held responsible

1003
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 5: for the biggest public policy failure of our life. And

1004
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 5: they're still claiming they were right yesterday on the House floor.

1005
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Speaker 5: Representative Gerald Nadler, Democrat from New York, Listen, it.

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Speaker 8: Protects against transmission of the disease to the next person,

1007
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 8: and the healthcare worker certainly ought to be required to

1008
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 8: be vaccinated. And when we have a pandemic like COVID

1009
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 8: nineteen that we had, two year olds should have been

1010
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 8: required to wear a mask. It would be child abuse

1011
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 8: for Paris not to do that because there was no

1012
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,280
Speaker 8: vaccination available for two year olds.

1013
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Speaker 5: Do you think Buck that he is this dumb? How

1014
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:17,839
Speaker 5: is it possible three years later?

1015
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I think Nadler is capable of both maximum

1016
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 2: dishonesty and maximum stupidity. So it's really hard to separate

1017
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 2: the two. You know which one is it more? Look,

1018
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 2: everything he said there is so obviously wrong that it's

1019
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 2: it's it's kind of hard to even wrap your head

1020
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:38,399
Speaker 2: around how somebody could be saying that at this point

1021
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Speaker 2: in time. This is a member of you know, the

1022
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Speaker 2: Democrats in Congress. And this is why I think this

1023
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 2: matter is still. I know a lot of people are like,

1024
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 2: move on from COVID. Why do you still I'm still

1025
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 2: I am still angry about it. I'm not even just

1026
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 2: and I know you are too. I am now you

1027
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 2: suffered less from the madness than I had to, so

1028
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 2: I I have more scars from the COVID lunacy. But

1029
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 2: you and I both see it this way that what

1030
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:09,359
Speaker 2: they did was unforgivable, it was wrong, and they're gonna

1031
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 2: do it again if they can everybody. I don't think

1032
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 2: people have really processed that quite the way that they should.

1033
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 2: There are already some efforts to put in place to

1034
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Speaker 2: adjust pandemic planning to because one way they're going to

1035
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 2: try to pretend like they got this right is to

1036
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 2: change the old pandemic playbook to reflect what we did

1037
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Speaker 2: this last time.

1038
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Speaker 3: So then going forward it's, oh, we know what to do.

1039
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 3: We do what we did during COVID nineteen.

1040
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Speaker 2: Which is the opposite, of course, of what it should

1041
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 2: have been done. It should have Basically the people in

1042
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 2: the beginning were like, we can't do anything about this.

1043
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 2: You should just you know, do your best and try

1044
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,760
Speaker 2: to try to stay away from people if you're really,

1045
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 2: you know, in bad health, otherwise let it rip.

1046
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 3: That was actually the truth, which people.

1047
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Speaker 5: Just weren't willing to hear at the time, and we

1048
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 5: would have gotten through this way faster. Right. All we

1049
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 5: did was prolong the uh disco for the nation while

1050
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:05,839
Speaker 5: changing virtually none of the outcome, And the fact that

1051
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 5: This has still not been that. There still hasn't been

1052
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 5: a reckoning. And look, Mike pens and Donald Trump got

1053
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 5: everything wrong with COVID right March April May twenty twenty.

1054
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 5: Fifteen days to stop the spread. Fifteen days to stop

1055
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 5: the spread was one of the worst decisions that any

1056
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 5: president has made in our lives. Now, I think Trump

1057
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 5: got to the better place right. He then started to

1058
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 5: fight to open the country back up. I think he

1059
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 5: recognized that fifteen days to stop the spread didn't work.

1060
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 5: But I still remember Buck, as I'm sure you do,

1061
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 5: Mike Pence standing up there with that binder saying, Hey,

1062
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:47,839
Speaker 5: here's the story of what we're going to try to do.

1063
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 5: I'm going to head the White House Task Force on

1064
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 5: the Coronavirus, and this is going to require fifteen days

1065
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 5: to stop the spread. Fifteen days to stop the spread

1066
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 5: did nothing other than set in place the premise that

1067
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Speaker 5: the country should shot down without any real opposition from anyone.

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Speaker 2: Remember what they did. They got compliance, and then they

1069
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 2: changed the rationale. They did this over and over again,

1070
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 2: fifteen days to slow the spread. They sold to people

1071
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 2: like me who kept saying, okay, so in fifteen days

1072
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 2: we all just get COVID, Like, what's the difference. He said, no, no, no,

1073
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Speaker 2: it's about getting our hospitals ready. And then once they

1074
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Speaker 2: got close to the end of the fifteen days, it

1075
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Speaker 2: was we're not quite ready yet, Let's do another fifteen

1076
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 2: and let's do another fifteen, and then it turned into essentially,

1077
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Speaker 2: let's do a quasi lockdown. It was never even a

1078
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 2: true lockdown until we have vaccines, and that then became

1079
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Speaker 2: the unofficial but real policy of the federal government. And

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Speaker 2: I think this is also this is as things get

1081
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 2: tighter here, this is going to be litigated more in

1082
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 2: the Republican primary because there were mistakes made. There were

1083
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 2: mistakes made by various candidates that they're going to point

1084
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 2: out are pointed at, and we need to be very

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Speaker 2: clear on this. There are going to be people who

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Speaker 2: put Trump, particularly on the vaccine issue. I have to

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Speaker 2: go and see. There have been a lot of times

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Speaker 2: where Trump has said the vaccine saved everybody.

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Speaker 3: That is not true, correct, So I think he's I

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Speaker 3: think he's changed on that a little bit.

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Speaker 2: You know, you just said recently, I think I was

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Speaker 2: on another radio show he said, you know, some of

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Speaker 2: the people I hired were really bad when he was president,

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Speaker 2: and I said, here I go. Whenever I said he

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Speaker 2: had some bad hires, I get people that email me

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Speaker 2: right away and say, why are you saying that Trump

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Speaker 2: only hires the best people? And I think I don't

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Speaker 2: know if they're serious or if they're just trolling me.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, Trump says he hired bad people, like not

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Speaker 2: all of them, but some of them. And I think

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Speaker 2: Trump has started to say on the vaccines that they weren't.

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Speaker 2: I have to go back and see what the latest

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Speaker 2: is from, but I think he's I think he has

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Speaker 2: moved his position a little bit on the vaccines because

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Speaker 2: I think he sees RFK Junior getting a lot of

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Speaker 2: traction from a lot of Trump voters on the vaccine component.

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Speaker 5: I think this is also the advantage of being on

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Speaker 5: the road, because I think Trump's best political gift is

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Speaker 5: he can intuit the mood of a nation and he

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Speaker 5: can into it the mood of a nation by to

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Speaker 5: a large extent being out on the road and seeing

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Speaker 5: what people respond to, almost like a great comic would, right,

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Speaker 5: why does the stand up comic refine and get his

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Speaker 5: performance art down to a science? Because he recognizes if

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Speaker 5: he tweaks the punchline just a little bit. The laughs

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Speaker 5: are way better, and a politician, ultimately, you're in the

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Speaker 5: business of building the biggest possible audience to support the

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Speaker 5: things that you support. And I think Trump has been

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Speaker 5: a little bit surprised when he's out on the road

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Speaker 5: because of the reaction and how vociferously negative it is

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Speaker 5: associated with the COVID shots in general. Remember it wasn't

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Speaker 5: very long ago he was bringing up the CEO of

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Speaker 5: Johnson and Johnson, if I remember correctly, onto the stage

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Speaker 5: then everybody booed. And I think he's kind of started

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Speaker 5: to recognize his credit. He was never in favor of mandates,

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Speaker 5: but I think he's starting to focus now more on

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Speaker 5: I never mandated them, as opposed to they're the greatest

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Speaker 2: It was Trump base that bood that time you're talking about, Yes,

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Speaker 2: it was too soon to be three time Trump voters.

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Speaker 2: I think he listens to them. I think he understands

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Speaker 2: when they're speaking to him. You know, this is like

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Speaker 2: family talk at the dinner table. You gotta hear them out.

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Speaker 2: So on the vaccines, we're going to see a shit.

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Speaker 2: He's already started to shift. As you said, he's focused

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Speaker 2: on no mandates from him. But I think you'll see

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Speaker 2: with some of the other candidates. Will be interesting how

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Speaker 2: COVID plays out, because, as I COVID was the ultimate

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