WEBVTT - Fist Bumps vs. Bacteria 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:06.000 Welcome to Stuff to Blow your mind from how Stuff 0:00:06.000 --> 0:00:14.400 Works dot com. Hey, wasn't the stuff to blow your 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:16.599 my My My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Douglas. 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:19.799 Would do what your preferred method of greeting, Uh, just 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:22.880 a big bear hug, you know, the twenty second hug, 0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:27.360 counting it down slowly and maxuriously right into the person's ear. 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:31.480 Let's see, that's that's a very personal mode of of greeting. 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:34.000 You know. Some people prefer the handshake, which I was 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:36.600 I was reading just a few minutes ago about how 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:40.279 there's this theory that the handshake evolves from a day 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:41.640 when you had to prove that you didn't have a 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:44.600 weapon in your hand. It seems a little outdated and 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:48.720 it's wrought with complications anyway, hand pressure, hand, a texture 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:51.960 of your hand, all that. Um Me, I'm getting more 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:55.240 and more on this fist bump badwagon. Oh yeah, yeah, 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:57.400 I know, there's it has this kind of like a 0:00:57.440 --> 0:01:01.200 brow stigma apparently, which I was knowing not I'm aware of, 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:05.000 but I mean, you have limited contact with the other person, 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:07.759 which is especially great with like if I'm interacting with 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:11.800 my sister, who's even more standoffice than I am. It's 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:14.959 like the only way that we can like physically acknowledge 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:17.280 each other because like hugs are out, handshakes are out, 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:19.440 but the fist bump works and that's like only like 0:01:19.440 --> 0:01:21.520 the corner knuckles, right, Like you guys don't even do 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:23.560 four knuckles. No, no, no, you can just I mean, 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:25.440 you know what way you can almost kind of have 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:28.040 like a you know, just a slightest touch and it 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:33.720 does the job. Grazing, grazing, a grazing, close fisted high five. 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:35.880 Is it sometimes called? Okay? Well, this may be a 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:40.679 really good microbial strategy because, as we know from other 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:46.720 podcasts and according to Stanford microbiologists Stanley Falcow, the world 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:50.440 is covered in a fine patina of feces. Yes, And 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:51.920 I think about this every time that I get to 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:55.200 this particular restaurant and there's a bowl of candy there, 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:57.920 and my daughter always reaches for it, and I always 0:01:57.960 --> 0:01:59.880 kind of corral her away from it, because I think, no, 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:02.800 the batilla of pieces is covering at least a couple 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:05.800 of pieces of those candy, and if she ingests that, 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:10.119 surely the next day will be seeing diarrhea. Well yeah, 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:12.280 I mean it's it's I think a certain level of 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:16.639 fear regarding the bacterial world around us is is sensible. Uh, 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:18.400 And that's why you know, you get into this area 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:20.720 of the fist pone, this concern over the fist pond 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:24.040 being possibly a better means of greeting ban that fully 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:27.560 bear hug. Yeah, because think about it right now, you're 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:30.639 marinating in about a hundred truly in microbial cells from 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:33.799 head to foot and mouth gut on your skin. That 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:37.359 stuff gets around, and as we had discussed in our 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:40.960 roller Derby microbiome, when you come into contact with people, 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:45.200 it's very easy to transfer your microbial colony to another person. 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:48.240 In fact, we saw that with those roller Derby teams 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:51.360 that after matches they would swab the skin and find 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:54.240 that one team's microbiotic which was the same by the way, 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:58.000 because they shared a similar profile of microbiome, would begin 0:02:58.080 --> 0:03:00.680 to try to colonize the other ones. So you really 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:03.840 do have to be defensive about the microbes in the world. Yeah, 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:05.799 they're good microbes out there, they're bad microbes out there, 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:07.760 But this is the community move you've built, and we're 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:12.240 understandably a little xenophobic about other people's microbial communities merging 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:14.200 with our own, because it can lead to all sorts 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:18.160 of complications. Well, especially when you begin to wonder whether 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:22.280 or not we're entering into a post antibiotic era. Yes, 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:26.680 because for the longest you've had your antibiterial soap, like 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:30.240 you know, big vats of it, big clear just columns 0:03:30.240 --> 0:03:33.120 of it with a giant pump on top. Right, and 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:34.880 and and I've been guilty of this as well. At 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:38.040 the slightest excuse, be it dirt or you just you 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:40.360 just think of something a little dirty, You head over there, 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:43.000 get like two squirts of the pump and just completely 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:46.760 lathered down your hands, and you feel better and supposedly 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:49.760 you're you're cleaner well. And then of course you see 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:52.440 this in a hospital setting at large, right, because you 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:54.800 have to make sure that your surfaces are clean, that 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:58.000 your skin is clean. And by the way, there's a 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:03.480 lot of microbes in hospitals and they become antibacterial resistant, 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:05.920 which is where we are today. But let me before 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:09.080 we jump to that, I just wanted to mentioned that 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:12.360 Hazel Barton, she's a professor of microbiology and geology at 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:15.920 the University of Ankron in Ohio. She has a really 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:19.360 good article on Slate about this, and she talks about antibiotics, 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:23.040 and she says their chemical keys. They're constructed to mimic 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:27.200 seingular patterns to block, bind, and even collapse critical structures 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:30.560 within the microbial cell. They do amazing things. They're really specific. 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:33.240 They can kill one bacterial cell in a sea of 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:36.280 human cells, and she calls it a magic bullet. But 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:38.279 she says that they are much more complex than anti 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:42.320 cancer or anti viral drugs, and their complex structural nature 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:46.360 and high specificity make them almost impossible for chemists to 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:49.440 build from scratch or even synthesize, and that we rely 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:52.919 on nature to design these molecules for us, and the 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:57.680 majority of these antibiotics come from other microbes. So she 0:04:57.760 --> 0:05:01.520 makes this case of saying that they have novel, unique 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:04.400 structures and we are at a place where we really 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:07.520 exploited a lot of resources here. Yeah, that's one of 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:09.719 the things that that can be really mind blowing about this, 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:12.560 and can be a kind of a startling and frightening revelation, 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:16.880 is that any any bacterial agents out there are an 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:19.120 exhaustible resource. What have we done. We've gone in the 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:21.480 natural world, like you said, we've gone underground, and we've 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:23.720 we've we've looked at things in the soil, all right, 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:26.839 what this can be used to fight a bacterial infection? 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:29.839 This can be used and then eventually we've we've drafted 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:32.280 everyone into the war against bacteria. So we have to 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:36.760 go to increasingly more exotic locations to try and find 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:40.440 those new keys to UH to unlock and unravel our 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:43.480 bacterial adversaries. That's a good way to put it, because meantime, 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:45.599 in the meantime, you know, the clock is ticking, and 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:50.440 we have all these antibacterial resistant microbes emerging. And we 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:55.480 see this with MERSA and that it's actually named sequentially 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:58.960 after the antibiotics. It's resistant too, and we see that 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:02.640 it's responsible for thousands of deaths annually. This is, of course, 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:07.080 methoslin resistant Stephococcus arius, right, And then you have other names, 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:11.080 less familiar emerging. We have carpet Penham resistant enter A 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:14.240 size c R E. We have van Kommassen resistant enter 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:17.320 a caucus v R E. And closter Ridium deficially we've 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:20.080 seen that before, we talked about it. See diff no 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:22.160 one on the street. So all of these things are 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:26.520 emerging and in the meantime, you have this exhausted potential 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:30.279 market forces for for new drugs. Right. In fact, Barton 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:33.400 makes the point that the last novel novel drug that 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:36.200 came to the market was discovered in and it took 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:39.159 nearly twenty years to enter the marketplace as something called 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:42.440 cubasin and then which we discovered on the side of 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:44.840 a volcano. I know, it's not that amazing. That was 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:47.359 another one we had to go where we've drafted everyone 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:49.640 in the immediate vicinity, where are these soldiers that we 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:52.200 haven't found yet? And that was one. Yeah. Another one 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:56.599 was anthrosamysin, which could be effective against MERSA and anthrax, 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:59.800 and that was actually found in deep ocean sediments. So 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:03.159 you can see again that clock ticking and you know, 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:07.120 trying to find new drugs to conquer this while the 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:09.880 more other microbes are getting stronger and stronger and more 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:12.760 and more resistant. In fact, in March of this year, 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:16.320 Dame Sally Davies, she's the u K's Chief Medical offers 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:19.920 she said, hey, microbial antibiotic resistance is a threat that's 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:22.640 on par with global warming and terrorist attacks. Let's take 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:25.880 this really seriously. Yeah, because just look at Merca whereas 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:29.400 MERCAS showing up showing up in hospitals like the place 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:34.119 you don't want really dangerous anti bacterial resistant um agent 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:36.360 to show up because you have all the people in 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:39.920 weakened states or immune systems are weakened. And uh, in 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:42.640 two thousand five, almost ten percent of hospital door handles 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:45.200 were shown to contain MERCA. So and and that's not 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:47.960 even getting into the whole handwashing situation that has been 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:51.640 a problem in many hospitals, you know, but the whole 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:55.680 situation with doctors surgeons not washing their hands um, which 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:58.520 is again a whole another issue. But but we'll get 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:00.600 to that. We'll get to that, of course. Uh. In 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:02.280 the meantime, just kind of have to look and see 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:05.600 what we can do right now. Now, Barton says, Hey, 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:08.720 since we have to go to these more remote locations, 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:14.360 let's begin to consider caves as a possible area of 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:20.440 exploration for these microbes, because she says, they're extreme environments, 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:23.360 they lack sunlight, they have scant resources, and it makes 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:25.880 an ideal place to hunt for antibiots since microbes have 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:29.720 to be particularly hardy in order to survive. Yeah, I'd 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:32.600 like to use the drafting analogy this is the equalency 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:35.000 of of just heading out into the absolute boondocks and 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:38.480 finding like the Family of Hillbillies and saying, hey, here's 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:40.840 some able a whole bunch of able bodied boys here 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:43.400 work in the farm. You guys can come and fight 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:45.240 the fight, but you have to really go far. And 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:47.360 like like you said, this is we're almos talking about 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:50.559 an alien environment, just one that's kind of entombed within 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:53.800 our own. We you see really exotic forms of life 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:56.800 at the visible level and then also at the macrobile 0:08:56.880 --> 0:08:59.080 level as well. Yeah, and what I love about this 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:01.199 is that you can just amount and all these microbiologists 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:04.800 bull lunking into these caves and coming up with these samples, 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:07.040 and they're screening the genetic code of thousands of these 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:10.280 micro organisms for novelty. Again, that's that novel compound that 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:12.600 they're looking for. And then what they do is they 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:16.240 take that and they give it to analytical chemists and 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:21.679 they use technologies like liquid chromatography mass spectromedy and ion 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:25.320 mobility mass spectromeddy and that hones in on that novel 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:29.000 and unusual compounds. So we have the means of finding it, 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:32.640 and we have the technology. It's just again racing against 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:36.559 that clock. Yeah, and the possibility is really encouraging. Uh. 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:40.240 It's reading that just one bacterium from one of these 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:43.000 isolated cave systems could be found to have some upwards 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:47.640 like thirty eight antibacterial compounds within. So so the payoff 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:51.040 is pretty crazy, the payoff potentially. Yeah. All right, we're 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:53.200 gonna take a quick break and we come back more 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:57.120 about the war against the bacteria and we'll get back 0:09:57.120 --> 0:10:06.800 to the fist punk a little bit. Yeah. Alright, so 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:10.280 we're back and we are talking about this microbial world 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:14.080 that we dwell in and how to better negotiate our 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:18.319 way through it, especially when you consider the antibacterial resistance 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:21.840 stuff out there. So what do we do we change 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:24.360 our behavior? Right? Yeah, yeah, I mean if you can't, 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:27.600 if you can't make the big advances against the enemy, 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:30.199 you try accumulate all the small advances you can make. 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:32.280 I mean that's how wars are one anyway, right, just 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:34.439 you build up all the little petty advantages. And one 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:38.520 petty advantage. Uh. The argument is to be made is 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:41.360 to start relying more on that fis bump as opposed 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:44.920 to that handshake, especially in a hospital environment. That's what 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:46.599 you're saying, is I need to ease off of the 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:50.959 hot breath hugs. Yeah, and do something that's perhaps not 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:54.839 quite as skin to skin contact. Fine, right, well, now 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:57.520 the studying question. Didn't we look at the hugs because again, 0:10:57.600 --> 0:11:00.560 the hospital environment where generally people knowing off that you know, 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:03.439 you're not gonna have a big, giant, you know, stereotypical 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:07.120 Russian hug every time you encounter somebody. But this particular 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:09.320 research was publishing two thales and thirteen by the Journal 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:13.679 of Hospital Infection. Surgeons at West Virginia University, UH decided 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:15.040 they were going to see if they could reduce the 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:18.120 spread of infection just by fist bumping instead of shaking hands. 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:21.400 The lead researcher on this was Tom of Cleveland, and 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:23.959 he's a West Virginia plastic surgeon, and uh it was 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:28.600 a really a small statement, but remarkable in their findings. Yeah, 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:30.360 and we'll get to that in a second. But let's 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:33.400 back up and look at why this is important. First 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:35.640 of all, even if your doctor is washing his or 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:39.000 her hands, or you run and wash your hands soon 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:42.400 after you clasp hands with another person, eighty percent of 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:47.200 individuals retained some disease causing bacteria after washing. Okay, most 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:48.760 people are doing it wrong, right. I mean, that's the 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:51.040 whole adage that when you wash your hands you should 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:54.960 do the ABC song twice through, and most people don't 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:55.959 do that. I mean most of the time when I 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:58.400 go to the bathroom, I don't even hear anybody singing. Now, 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:01.320 physicians are probably a little better about this, right, because 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:04.440 they're more aware of it. Um. But here's the thing. 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:07.520 They kind of have to have some sort of interaction 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:09.800 with you, physicians, right, because if you think about it, 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:13.439 if you are going to see a medical professional, you're 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:16.640 probably there in what is usually a tense situation or 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:20.520 stressful situation. You don't usually go to the doctor when 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:24.359 you're feeling great, right, So this can be a situation 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:28.600 where you have to have that that sort of touchy 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:31.840 feeling moment to create a sense of trust between the 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:34.240 doctor and the patient. So this is why the doctor 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:36.880 always engages you in a handshake. Right. Might seem sort 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:38.760 of ridiculous because this is what I think every time 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:40.800 my doctor reaches out of her hand, like please, don't 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:42.800 I know if you've been doing this to people all 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:45.120 day long who are sick. But again, it is that 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:49.760 social contract. So yeah, you want your surgeon, your doctor, whoever. 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:51.800 You want some sort of human connection so that you 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:53.400 don't feel like a piece of meat, you don't feel 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:55.800 like a number. You want them to. You want to 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:57.800 at least there to be an illusion that they care 0:12:57.840 --> 0:13:00.640 about your life. So this is why those surgeons thought, Okay, 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:02.880 this is a very important thing here. This is not 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:05.520 just hey, let's sit around and fist bump each other 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:08.920 and and just grow out all day. Let's actually see 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:12.720 if we can reduce the amount of junk that gets 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:16.679 spread around. And this is how it went down. So 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:20.240 small group again, they just started doing the fist bumps 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:22.959 instead of the shaking. Now they cultured the bacteria grown 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:25.960 on their hands, and they found that the handshake exposed 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:28.880 more than three times as much skin surface area as 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:32.000 the fist bump, and the contact average two point two 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:35.480 point seven times longer, so more bacteria was transmitted as 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:38.120 expected with the handshake versus the fist pump, where you 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:41.240 have just you know, very small amount of skin. I mean, 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:42.800 they're not even if you if you take your your 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:45.160 fists and sort of bump them, you'll see that they're 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:47.920 they're they're not made to interlock. It's not like the handshake, 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:51.240 which is kind of like the mating of two fleshy squids. 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:54.720 Fleshy squid slushy squids of course, not too squid of 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:56.800 the same species, the two different species squid. That's why 0:13:56.800 --> 0:13:59.560 I want squids. Well, I like this because I'm not 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:02.360 a big handshake person anyway, Like I said, I'd rather 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:05.880 hug um. And I do find it awkward sometimes because 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:07.560 you know, you don't know whether or not to employ 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:10.280 the super aggressive shake or the you don't want to 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:13.760 do like a limp fish shake either. You also, you 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:16.920 can have different galvanic skin responses, right, so there's more 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:19.880 sweat on your hands sometimes than others. It can be 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:23.640 uh odd, especially when you find yourself with with cold 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:27.440 dead hands like me, and you have to apologize every 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:29.120 time you go to shake someone's hand. Well, one thing 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:31.880 they pointed out in the study too, is that the 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:34.240 social contract of it is beautiful because all right, so 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:37.080 let's say you're you're on a no shaking hands roll, 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:39.000 like that's your goal for the day. Then what do 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:41.840 you do when somebody extends to hand If you say, oh, 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:44.000 I'm sorry, I can't shake hands today, or I'm not 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:46.200 gonna you know, how do you politely get out of that. 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:49.680 You're gonna on some level feel or or look like 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:51.200 a jerk that you're gonna be dead in the water 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:53.080 if you don't have some sort of response. Right, But 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:55.000 if they extend that hand for the shake and then 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:58.720 you respond by extending that hand for the fist bump wall, 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:01.320 all they have to do is just curl that's squid 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:04.880 up into a fist and bam. Now, the study did 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:07.440 not go into whether you should explode the fist at 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:10.240 that point, if you you should do the peace sign 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:12.880 and form the snail, or any of the other add 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:16.880 on bonuses that you may employ in your fist pump. Now, 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:20.960 I would say that within maybe your social group, your friends, 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:24.120 your family, you can do some of those variations and 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:27.040 and risk a little bit more surface contact, right because 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:28.920 most likely you're going to share some of your microbial 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:34.080 colony with them. Yes, But outside of that straight on knuckles, Yeah, 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:36.160 Like with my son, I do the fist pump, but 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:39.080 then I have it explode and drew Polver's face, So 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:41.640 so there's a lot of like contact that way. You know. 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:44.240 I have to say that before you had sent me 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:46.640 this study. I didn't notice that in school the fist 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:50.160 bump was being encouraged by by my daughter's teacher. And 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:51.680 I don't know if that was just my daughter's teacher 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:54.680 or what, but you know, there's a lot of hacking 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:57.760 going on, spreading of germs among that group. Well, that's 0:15:57.760 --> 0:16:00.800 interesting that maybe they're encouraging him or the fist bump 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:05.200 in addition, of course to the Dracula elbow cough, which 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:07.680 I saw a parent encouraging that on the playground the 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:09.360 other day and I was like, yes, which is just 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:12.000 fun to say to a kid anyway, Yeah, Dracula up there, 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:17.040 drack up. Maybe I don't know better terminology. Alright, So 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:20.600 envision the future when we have a better understanding of 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:25.480 the microbiome and uh, the threats, the inherent threats, and 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:27.280 the beauties that come out of it. Right, we've talked 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:32.840 about that. Do we just do away altogether with any 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:37.320 sort of contact? Well, no, not. We don't want to 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:39.280 do away with with contact. But I mean that's why 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:41.680 this is beautiful. It's the it's finding and finding out 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:44.160 what we can lose and uh, and you know how 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:47.480 we can sort of meet meet people halfway not actually 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:50.520 see ourselves up in bubbles and refuse to to to 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:53.560 touch each other. But but also not just just say hey, 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:56.280 we're not hugging it out, then we're not human. You know. 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:59.480 I can't remember the exacts of this article that right, 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:01.960 but there was sort of infestation of this woman and 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:05.040 her family's house and I don't know if it was 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:08.240 lies or something, but demons, demons, it was some sort 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:12.360 of critter. And what happened is that they all sort 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:15.080 of had to stop hugging. And she said they became 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:19.680 very adept at doing this sort of smile eyes hug 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:22.640 and she would stare at her son and sort of 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:24.439 smile at him and try to hug him with her 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:26.480 eyes and he would do it back. And she said 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:28.560 it was really kind of beautiful because they just slowed down, 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:31.560 and of course they couldn't embrace, but they had that 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:35.840 sort of communication. Could an air hug like where you 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:38.040 don't actually touch for you kind of air hug the 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:42.080 other person kind of, It's just I don't know that's 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:46.040 in the realm of air guitar playing air sex. That's 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:49.360 the thing. A thing, all right, Well, there you have it. 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:51.159 It's kind of a shorty, but it's a shorty that 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:54.159 might save your life in some small way, and you 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:56.720 can feel better about fis pumping instead of instead of 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:59.359 shaking hand instead of high fiving. Uh, And then you 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:01.760 don't have to feel like you're doing something those those 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:05.440 too browish if you will. Yeah, it should go out 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:08.440 of the brow sphere into the mainstream, I think, yeah, 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:12.320 the brow sphere. Yeah, so hey, let us let us 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:14.760 know about this. We'd love to hear your thoughts on 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:18.080 the fist bump versus the handshake, versus bacteria versus hugs. 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:21.280 Everything in this in this episode is up for grabs, 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:26.399 including diving down into deep caves for bacterial soldiers that 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:29.040 we haven't ushered into this war just yet. You can 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:30.680 find us all the normal places you can find us. 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:32.640 Its stuff to bow your Mind dot com. 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