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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: In your circles, in your world that you live in,

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Speaker 2: I'm guessing it looks a lot different than the world

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Speaker 2: I live in. What I see and what you see,

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Speaker 2: are they two different things?

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Speaker 3: Yes? Probably. But I do have this great, big thing

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Speaker 3: I call an on and off switch. Since I've been

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Speaker 3: seeing this world since I was a little kid, and

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Speaker 3: I don't want to go to the grocery store and

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Speaker 3: see somebody's dead mother or dead grandmother and wants to

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Speaker 3: I have when I was a little bitty thing, I

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Speaker 3: created this off switch so then I could see everything

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Speaker 3: just like everybody else. And then when I turn it on,

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Speaker 3: it makes it that much stronger. I actually think kids

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Speaker 3: are born with it. It just gets taught out of

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Speaker 3: us in our modern, western, non mystical, complete left brain

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Speaker 3: focused world. You know. That's why even shows like Coast

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Speaker 3: to Coast is great, because it makes people think. It

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Speaker 3: makes people wonder.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of the off switch, I am married, and my

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Speaker 2: wife believes I'm able to switch off my hearing ability,

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Speaker 2: which I think as a man.

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Speaker 4: It's an easy thing for me to do.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I don't know if it's like that where you're

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Speaker 2: just basically able to filter out things in order to survive.

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Speaker 2: Meaning if you would just be overloaded, your senses would

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Speaker 2: just be tingling all the time. But you have to

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Speaker 2: learn how to filter out those things in order to

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Speaker 2: have a sane life.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Completely. I literally picture an old fashioned light switch on off.

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Speaker 3: When I was a little kid, I used to stick

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Speaker 3: my thumb under my fingers, kind of like you're sucking

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Speaker 3: your thumb with the rest of your hand. But I

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Speaker 3: don't have to do that anymore. But yeah, because most

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Speaker 3: mediums are most people who can see spirits and talk

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Speaker 3: to spirits are impaths as well. So I don't want

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Speaker 3: to take on, you know, the guy walking next to

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Speaker 3: that's what an EmPATH does. So you definitely need that

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Speaker 3: on off switch. Once you get fancy with it, then

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Speaker 3: you could have like a dimmer switch, you know, but

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Speaker 4: With on off it.

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Speaker 2: So the things you see, is it like shopping at

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Speaker 2: a store where you can look at the different shels

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Speaker 2: and just kind of observe what's there, or can you

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Speaker 2: hone in on something somewhere else? So for example, and

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Speaker 2: this is an example, our producer brought up Ozzy Osbourne

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Speaker 2: passes away this week. Can you think to yourself, I

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Speaker 2: want to try to reach out to Ozzie wherever he

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Speaker 3: I would not do that for forty days, but yes

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Speaker 3: I do. I mean that's why people like me on

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Speaker 3: paranormal shows. I can find the spirits, call in spirits,

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Speaker 3: bring spirits. I would not do Ozzy Osbourne for forty

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Speaker 3: days though. That's the transition period. It's the time you

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Speaker 3: need to leave them alone. It's the time to stay

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Speaker 3: home like candles put their pictures out. You know. It's

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Speaker 3: actually it's a planetary thing, the forty days. But think

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Speaker 2: Yes, wow, okay, So what happens in that forty day

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Speaker 3: I think they're just busy transitioning. It's kind of like

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Speaker 3: I mean I've been talking to dead people since I

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Speaker 3: It's like he was so pretty there, but they made

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Speaker 3: after life you believe in. If you're looking for the

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Speaker 3: Pearly gates, you're going to get the pearly gates, reincarnation,

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Speaker 2: Would have to be some people surprised, right, Can can

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Speaker 3: Well? You know, probably not, probably maybe Again, I'm not

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, you just came out with the book last month, Dollkraft,

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Speaker 2: which is Guy to Pop It, Magic and Haunted Dolls.

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Speaker 4: How's the reception been so far?

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Speaker 3: It has been great. It has been so much fun.

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Speaker 3: The sales have been really well, you know, doing lots

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Speaker 3: of podcasts and things. But I'm also getting invited to

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Speaker 3: do wonderful things like I just found out. We haven't

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Speaker 3: even announced this yet, so don't tell anybody. I'm going

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Speaker 3: to be doing a Haunted Doll tea party at the

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Speaker 3: Lizzie Borden House in Massachusetts. I mean, how cool is that?

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Speaker 3: You know, taken it on the road because dolls have

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Speaker 3: are now. I mean, I've never my dad, I couldn't

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Speaker 3: have seen having a doll collection. Now, I know as

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Speaker 3: I've heard about, you know, in hollywood'stud that all the movies, Annabelle,

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Speaker 2: Well, when when I have them, they're called action figures

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Speaker 3: But take out a spirit too.

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Speaker 2: So Massachusetts is quite the place to take the show

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Speaker 4: Is there more activity in those spots.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's amazing, and it's different activity because I'm out west.

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Speaker 3: I'm in California, Los Angeles, so we're not that old.

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Speaker 3: When I would go to the older haunted places, it's

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Speaker 3: I don't think you even have to be an intuitor

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Speaker 3: it is very different because big in life, big in death.

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Speaker 2: So, speaking of doll craft, what is it about dolls?

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Speaker 2: When you talk about spirits and you're able to, I

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Speaker 4: The vessel of a doll? What is why a doll?

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Speaker 3: Because they have faces of course everything you think it is.

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Speaker 3: think you'd want to inhabit the doll? The doll because

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Speaker 3: then people can look at you and you could put

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Speaker 3: It's porcelain. But everyone sees her move her face, everyone

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Speaker 3: Bill's happy today, next day, three people in a row. Oh,

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: And you can't do that if you inhabit a stabler.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I understand that.

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Speaker 2: And people can find you online, by the way, in

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Speaker 2: your book, it's just your name, right, Pattynegre dot com.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Pattiegrew dot com. You can find more than you

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Speaker 2: Ah yeah, yeah, Well, I think that's one of the

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Speaker 2: good things. You're accessible. I know people always have questions.

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Speaker 2: And from what I understand in the second hour of

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Speaker 2: the show tonight, you've agreed to do some readings for listeners.

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Speaker 4: Is that right?

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Speaker 3: Sure?

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Speaker 4: It could be fun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. What I don't understand is I think about myself

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Speaker 2: Why would I want to do that. I want to

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Speaker 2: move on, But why would some people stay? Why do

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that there is no time and space.

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Speaker 3: Most people aren't negative. It's like the spirit of Grandma

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Speaker 4: But it's interesting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I speaking of people, I think the way

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent? Because because they we have to as adults,

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Speaker 3: and we need that to well both for our creativity,

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Speaker 3: and we have to dance between because our left brain

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Speaker 3: we open it up, it's going to help both sides.

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Speaker 3: A perfect example just why we need that creative side

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Speaker 2: I think that that type of attention will help anyone flourish.

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Speaker 2: So when you were younger, you said you noticed these things.

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Speaker 2: Were there people that were encouraging you? And were there

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no one discouraged me. I was great. My mom

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Speaker 2: Do you ever witness something, a spirit or whatever it

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Speaker 2: So a reoccurring spirit that indicates something in the future

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Speaker 4: Happen, Well, no, I honestly doesn't happen that way.

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Speaker 3: But like my mom, come tell me like you're gonna

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Speaker 2: I'm interested to In the Travel Channel's Ghost Adventures, people

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Speaker 2: love you on that, by the way, I mean the reaction.

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Speaker 2: They just absolutely love that show. So our spirits. Do

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Speaker 3: Just like people. Some people see a TV or movie crew,

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Speaker 3: they're going to run from it. Half will be intrigued

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Speaker 3: by it. Some want to get on camera. Spirits are

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