1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Battleground Podcast. 2 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 2: Night for all things resting. 3 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 3: And exclusive interviews with some of your favorite wrestlers abound 4 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 3: stop being. 5 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 2: What hope you guys. 6 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: Welcome back into iHeartRadio's official wrestling podcast. It is the 7 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: Battleground Podcast. I am joined as always by my tag 8 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 1: team partner Eli and Man talk about a fun week 9 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 1: this week for ae W. Tomorrow night it is the 10 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 1: six year anniversary show, and I gotta tell you, Man 11 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: super excited about our guest here on the show today 12 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: who has been a. 13 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 2: Day one er for ae W. 14 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: Getting here to this six year anniversary. Give it up 15 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 1: for jungle Boy Jack Perry. 16 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 2: Say just Jack Perry? Do we skategoat? Like? What do 17 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 2: you want us to call you? 18 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: Now? 19 00:00:57,760 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 3: I can't even keep up these days. I don't know. 20 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 3: I think I'm not going back to jungle Boy. That's 21 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 3: what I know for me, honestly, if the people can 22 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 3: come up with someone cool, I'm down for it. And 23 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 3: it's kind of cool for me. It's evolved over the years, 24 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 3: and it was jungle Boy Jack Perry, and then Scapegoat 25 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 3: Jack Perry, and then who knows I hear from now 26 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:25,119 Speaker 3: might be something Jack Berry or nothing at all. Who knows. 27 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: We'll let the fans decide that when they come chanting 28 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 1: your name on Wednesday nights. Dynamite for the six year anniversary. Now, 29 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: I do want to talk about it because you will 30 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 1: turn it all out absolutely electric. 31 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 2: And I'm getting goosebumps now thinking about it. I'm sure 32 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 2: you did too. 33 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 1: The moment when Tarzan Boy hit again, that crowd erupted, 34 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: and of course you reunited with Lutasaurus. That had to 35 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: be surreal. Kind of walk us through that moment. 36 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 3: That was crazy, and that was the culmination of so long, 37 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 3: you know, without saying too much and throwing certain people 38 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 3: under the bus, maybe one day, but it's he and I. 39 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 3: He's one of my best friends in the entire world, 40 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 3: in wrestling and out, and that's something we've been talking 41 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 3: about for a long time, and there were many iterations 42 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 3: over the years of how we would come back together. 43 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 3: There was an evil version that somebody else ruined and 44 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 3: we didn't get to do it, and there was all 45 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 3: sorts of stuff, and this past year we both ended 46 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 3: up being off and he was off. He had pneumonia, 47 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:35,679 Speaker 3: which has been documented in all that, but it turned 48 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 3: out to be pretty serious and he almost died, which really, 49 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 3: you know, it's surreal. It's guy's like your best friend 50 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:43,959 Speaker 3: and I'm talking to him every day and all that, 51 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, it's like, oh, I 52 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 3: could have died, and it really kind of puts things 53 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 3: into perspective, you know, just sort of how fragile life is, 54 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 3: and then really what's important because it's easy I feel 55 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 3: like to kind of get lost in the weeds of 56 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,839 Speaker 3: like I'm about this, I hate this guy, I want 57 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 3: to do that. But it really kind of put it 58 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 3: all in perspective. And we were thinking the way it 59 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 3: had worked out. We were both off, what do we 60 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 3: want to do? And we wanted to do this again 61 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 3: because we felt like we could do it better than 62 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,239 Speaker 3: the first time, and we both know ourselves so much 63 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 3: more and it's different. And then it turned out to 64 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 3: be just about the hardest thing in the world to 65 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 3: make it happen. Just scheduling and things were coming up, 66 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 3: and there were certain people who seemed hell bent on 67 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 3: not letting it happen. But we fought through it all 68 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 3: and we kept going, we kept going, and finally it 69 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 3: culminated in that moment that you saw, and it just 70 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 3: felt I mean, it just felt so good. I feel 71 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 3: like I couldn't have asked for it to go any better. 72 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 3: And we since the last time we tagged. I was 73 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 3: just looking at but it's been like a thousand something days, 74 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 3: and I was just thinking about how much everything has 75 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 3: changed since then and how much we've both been through 76 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 3: and to end up being there with our day one act. 77 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 3: We were both pretty much unknown guys when aw started, 78 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 3: so just for us to hug and get that kind 79 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 3: of reaction and then this music plays and people are 80 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 3: going nuts with my best friend who I started with, 81 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 3: who we've been through all that and we came back. 82 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 3: You know, from the beginning, people are telling us this 83 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 3: is this, Gami sucks, this is stupid you guys, this 84 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 3: and now and whatever, and that's the reaction we got. 85 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 3: It just felt very cathartic in a way. It was. 86 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 3: It was sort of the culmination of so much, but 87 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 3: also the beginning of a brand new chapter, which I'm 88 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 3: very excited for. 89 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, that was a great answer. 90 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 3: FY. 91 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 4: The date for you guys was June fifteenth, twenty twenty two. 92 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 4: That was the last time you tacked together. 93 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 3: So yes, it was, And I remember that because it 94 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 3: was the day before my birthday and then I got 95 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 3: pummeled in the head with a chair, So that birthday 96 00:04:57,880 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 3: was a bit interesting. 97 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, that was as against the young Bucks too, not 98 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 4: to rub that in so. 99 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 2: Anyway, but you still rub it in anyway. 100 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. 101 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 4: Sorry, Well I didn't go into the details of it. 102 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 4: I just you know, anyway you can find the details anyways. 103 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 5: Uh, speaking of your return all out, you know, you 104 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 5: threw out the kill switch belt at the end of 105 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 5: that and it just sent everyone into a frenzy at 106 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 5: that point. Was that, you know, as much of a 107 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 5: symbolic moment for you or was it kind of in 108 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 5: a in a way, you know, shdding some of that 109 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 5: dark persona that you had embraced over the last year 110 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 5: or so. 111 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 3: For It's funny for me. For him, uh, I felt 112 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 3: that was a really important moment for him more than anything. 113 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 3: And here's the thing about him. First of all, people 114 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 3: I mean, like I don't know, people have always about 115 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 3: him wanted to try and like tear him down for 116 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 3: different reasons or one now. But the thing is, every 117 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 3: time he goes out there, the crowd is going nuts, right, 118 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 3: chanting Lucasaurus like all. And I used to be annoyed 119 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 3: because I'd be in there in the ring, like doing 120 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 3: all this stuff and all this and and they're chanting Lucasaurus. 121 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:10,119 Speaker 3: And I was like, I'm in here getting my ass kicked, 122 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 3: trying to do all this stuff, getting dropped on my head, 123 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 3: and they're chanting Lucasaurus the whole time. I was like, 124 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 3: but whatever, But it's the magic of it. And you know, 125 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 3: I for whatever reason, people try and diminish him, and 126 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 3: he's he's a start, and they are going nuts for 127 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 3: Lucasaurus in a way they don't go many nuts for 128 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 3: go nuts for many people because they're like interacting with 129 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 3: him in a different way. I hated the kill switch thing. 130 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 3: I thought that was stupid, and I thought the fact 131 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 3: that they were chanting Lucasaurus through the entire time sort 132 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 3: of showed you that. And uh, for me, I wanted 133 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 3: him to sort of reclaim almost it's his name, but 134 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 3: it's his powers that is Lucasaurus. He's never going to 135 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 3: get them not to chant Lucasaurus. And I wanted to. 136 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 3: I could have thrown the belt and the gradif I 137 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 3: wanted to, but I said to him, I want you 138 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 3: to throw that because that's not you, and you know 139 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 3: who you are, and that felt powerful to it. He 140 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 3: took it, and he looked at it, and he's screened, 141 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 3: and he threw it and they went nuts too. And 142 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 3: if he had thrown it, no one had made any noise, 143 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 3: it would have been like whatever. But I think we 144 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 3: all felt that, and he is Lucasaurus again, and we 145 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 3: are ready to take this on in this sort of 146 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 3: new form. It's a bit darker than it was the 147 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 3: first time. We've all grown, you know. One of the 148 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 3: things that he pointed out to me, he was like, look, 149 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 3: if a kid was like six years old when we 150 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 3: started and they loved the Drastic Express, and we were 151 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 3: when we were in Green, But what that kid's like 152 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 3: twelve now, about to be thirteen. They're growing up a little. 153 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 3: They are probably feeling different than when they were six. 154 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 3: So I like that thing that we are kind of 155 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 3: maturing and changing as the show goes, right, And you know, 156 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 3: for a kid who was sick and loved a green 157 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 3: dinosaur in the Little Jungle Boy, now I'm a teenager 158 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 3: and I'm a little hisssy sometimes or whatever. And on 159 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 3: now they were black and it's a little moody and this, 160 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 3: So I don't know, it's cool for us to sort 161 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 3: of be able to grow and change and experiment all that, 162 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 3: because that's that's pretty much what life is, right. 163 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, And you mentioned that that kid aspect. 164 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: As a father myself who has a kid who is 165 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: eight years old grew has watched aw since it started, 166 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: like what you said of watching Jungle Boy and Lucasaurus 167 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: go at it and then seeing it now and seeing 168 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,079 Speaker 1: him transition into an older kid. It's it's one of 169 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,199 Speaker 1: these cool moments that they can grow with you guys, 170 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,839 Speaker 1: like you said. And I got to say the really 171 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: cool thing that as a fan watching the aspect of 172 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: the little subtle hints of of you coming back, of course, 173 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: the young bucks where they were dropping those little teas, 174 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: the cryptic notes, the subtle nods. 175 00:08:58,960 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 2: In the weeks before you were. 176 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: Now do you enjoy Did you enjoy watching fans speculate 177 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: while you stayed quiet or were you just kind of 178 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: itching to finally pull the trigger and come back. 179 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 3: No, it was I liked the speculation and stuff, and 180 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:20,079 Speaker 3: purposely a lot of the times I I always prefer 181 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 3: kind of subtlety and leaving things a little vague and 182 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 3: Obviously I could have showed my face making a knife 183 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 3: or whatever it was. But to me, the fun is 184 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 3: people being like, oh, well that must have come from Jack, obviously, 185 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 3: this and that, And we had these vignettes too that 186 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 3: when Lucasaurus was revived there was a hand in it, 187 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 3: which was my hand in a glove. But I saw 188 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:46,199 Speaker 3: people going online and being like, this is Jack's hand, 189 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 3: this is the kind of jacket he wears, this and that, 190 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 3: and we ended up revealing it later. The idea was 191 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 3: it Actually it was sort of a happy mistake because 192 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 3: our original plan got ruined, but we ended up revealing 193 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 3: it later, and we were thinking kind of of like 194 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 3: the Saw movies where they at the end reveal how 195 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 3: the beginning happened and this and that. But I felt 196 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 3: it was so cool to just have put the little 197 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 3: teaser and let people speculate, because that's the fun, you know, 198 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 3: If you just give them all the answers, it's you know, 199 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 3: I guess it can be cool, But for me, it's 200 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 3: fun to get them involved and then seeing people put 201 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 3: it together and like, oh, look this button matches from 202 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 3: when he showed up in New Japan and did this 203 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 3: and that. So to me, that was really cool and 204 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 3: exciting to see that people are wanting to participate in 205 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 3: that way. 206 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,719 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, speaking of your new Japan run, the 207 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 5: Scapegoat came out of that and just an awesome transformation 208 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 5: in your evolution as a you know, as. 209 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:44,599 Speaker 4: A performer start contrast to Jungle Boy. Of course the 210 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 4: night and almost night and day defin. 211 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 5: Now that you've returned and you seem to be embracing 212 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 5: elements of both past and present, what parts of the 213 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 5: Scapegoat era do you want to care forward with you? 214 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:00,079 Speaker 3: I think what the Scapegoat thing did for me was 215 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 3: really let me be myself more than I ever had before. 216 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 3: And there were elements of me in Jungle Boy, but 217 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 3: obviously I'm not an actual Jungle Boy. You know, there 218 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 3: was when it came to I felt like I was 219 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 3: kind of in a weird spot because like when it 220 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 3: came to talking and saying things, I was like, you know, 221 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna like make monkey noises or whatever. But 222 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 3: I don't feel like it's also fully appropriate to just 223 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 3: be me, because there's like I'm in this thing where 224 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 3: Jungle Boy probably wouldn't sound like me. But I also 225 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 3: and I wasn't sure, and it was I don't know, 226 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 3: it was a character that at a certain point I 227 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:51,079 Speaker 3: couldn't fully relate to. And the Scapegoat thing was, I mean, 228 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:52,719 Speaker 3: it was nothing. It was a word, but it was 229 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 3: it was just me and it allowed me to be 230 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 3: myself in a different way and just free me. And 231 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 3: there were no rules at that point, especially the way 232 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 3: things were. It was just like I was just kind 233 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 3: of out doing whatever I felt like, and I felt 234 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 3: like New Japan really was the perfect place. The way 235 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 3: they had those little postmatch promos set up. You literally 236 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 3: walked through the door, sweaty and like out of breath 237 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 3: and whatever, and someone just says a camera there and 238 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 3: there's no no one saying, hey, I want you to 239 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:24,079 Speaker 3: do this or whatever. There's no time to even think. 240 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 3: So it just like some of them turn out shitty 241 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 3: and some of them turned out cool, and it just 242 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 3: allows you to be you in a different way. And 243 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 3: I feel like that's what I got out of the 244 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 3: whole thing, and just I'm into it all sorts of 245 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 3: weird stuff like driving clunky busses around and melting so whatever, 246 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 3: and it just like opened all that up to me 247 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 3: in a way that I feel like I never would 248 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 3: have got there otherwise, right. 249 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 2: Right for sure. 250 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: And I think the one thing in me and Eli 251 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: have had this conversation in the past that were big, 252 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 1: big scary movie guys, and when we saw the map, 253 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: when you debuted. 254 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 2: It, it was like, holy shit, this is awesome. So Walk, 255 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:06,719 Speaker 2: I would love to know like the thought. 256 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: Process of obviously, if people are watching this right now 257 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: on YouTube, uh, the mask is behind you, walk us 258 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 1: through that creation process like it's incredible. I saw it 259 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,319 Speaker 1: in person in the front row and blood and guts, 260 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: and I was like, this is awesome. But I again, 261 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,839 Speaker 1: I want the creative process. How do you come up 262 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: with that? 263 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 3: Okay, well again without without throwing people under the bus. 264 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,559 Speaker 3: It's funny because the plan for me to come back 265 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 3: from that whole thing was much different and actually involved 266 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 3: Lucasaurus and a sort of different iteration of everything, and 267 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:44,439 Speaker 3: that all got scrapped and then I was sort of 268 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 3: I just felt like I had nothing. I wasn't tethered 269 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:51,439 Speaker 3: to anybody or anything, and it was all this stuff 270 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 3: had happened and I'm just out in the middle of 271 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 3: nowhere by myself, not at work and whatever, and I 272 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,559 Speaker 3: was texting Chris Jericho actually, and he was sort of 273 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 3: checking you on me during that time when you're saying, 274 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 3: how's it going, man, whatever, and I said, it's actually 275 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 3: really not good, A, B and C whatever, and he 276 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:10,959 Speaker 3: said he's like, yeah, it sucks, man. They're they're making 277 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 3: you the scapegoat for the whole thing. And as soon 278 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 3: as I saw that, I just I was like, that 279 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 3: is that's cool. I like that. And I never actually like, 280 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 3: I've known the word obviously, scapegoat whatever, but I didn't 281 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 3: think it was a literal goat. So I was like, 282 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 3: let me just google where this comes from. And I 283 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 3: googled it and it's like this ancient religious thing where 284 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 3: people would take a goat once a year and sacrifice 285 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 3: it for all their sins, or they would just send 286 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 3: it out in the wilderness to die to like the 287 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 3: devil or something, and then they had this kind of 288 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 3: image of I was like, oh, that's pretty cool, like 289 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 3: they're out here like sacrificing goats. I don't know, And 290 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 3: that's kind of how I felt at the time too. 291 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 3: I've just been sent off into the wilderness. So I 292 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 3: started then looking into stuff and I that kind of 293 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 3: gave me an image of somewhere to go with it, 294 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 3: and I was just looking online for goat mask. Maybe 295 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 3: I don't know why I thought of that, and I 296 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 3: found it and a woman here in California she makes 297 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 3: these crazy halloween masks and they're super cool. And once 298 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 3: I saw this, I was like, Okay, I can see 299 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 3: what I'm going for here, and I kind of developed. 300 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 3: I felt like there it could have been more fleshed out. 301 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 3: But to me, there were like two elements of it. 302 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 3: And one was this kind of like cult leader element, 303 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 3: which was like more when it was me, and then 304 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 3: the other one was the goat, which is the sacrifice. 305 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 3: And it was this idea of like me saying like 306 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,119 Speaker 3: we all have to sacrifice, and I willing to sacrifice myself, 307 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 3: and then I am the goat who's being sacrificed as well. 308 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 3: So it became I don't know, and I was like 309 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 3: figuring it out as I went, obviously, but I felt 310 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 3: it was cool to have this sort of double thing 311 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 3: of me wanting everyone to sacrifice the way I felt 312 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 3: I had had to, but then also me always being 313 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 3: willing to sacrifice, and you talk about the blood and guts. 314 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 3: That to me it was cool to uh, you know, 315 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 3: there's obviously some symbolic stuff, but I'm tied up there 316 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 3: and I'm willing to get my skull bashed in with 317 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 3: a chair or be lit on fire sort of, so 318 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 3: I don't know it all. It all kind of became 319 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 3: more and more, and I was figuring it out as 320 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 3: I went and sort of being inspired by movies and things. 321 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 3: The movie No Country for Old Man. I don't know 322 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 3: why that really stuck with me. I saw it that 323 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 3: year and I was like, there were things here that 324 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 3: I could put into this, and but again, it just 325 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 3: freed me up in a way to see things and 326 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 3: like things and think new things that I think if 327 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 3: I had just shown up as Jungle Boy one day 328 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 3: and like, hey guys, I want to do this, everyone 329 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 3: would have been like, what the hell are you talking about? 330 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 4: Right right right? 331 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well it was very cerebral, like. 332 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 4: The way it was presented. 333 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 5: I mean, it just felt it just felt dangerous, you 334 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 5: know what I mean, Like it was especially kind of 335 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 5: coming after all. 336 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 4: The events that have been happening and pro wrestling and stuff. 337 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 5: It just was such an exclamation point, it felt like, 338 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,679 Speaker 5: you know, and it was really awesome to just to 339 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 5: kind of see you grow and that. 340 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 2: I guess is the best way to explain it. Yeah, 341 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 2: it was very awesome. 342 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you man. It was some people didn't like it, 343 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 3: but that's just how it works. I I loved it, 344 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 3: and it was some of the most fun I've ever 345 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 3: had and I'm I'm grateful that I got to have that. Yeah, 346 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 3: and I'm definitely keeping a fair amount of it going forward. 347 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's awesome. 348 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 5: Uh, you know recently there, well, first thing we got 349 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 5: to say is we Tony Kahan announced the We're finally 350 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 5: getting women's tag team titles. 351 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 4: I'm sure there's someone in your orbit that's happy about that. 352 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been hearing about it. Yeah. 353 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 5: There has been a kind of a renewed interest in 354 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 5: inter gender tag team wrestling. A lot of kind of 355 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 5: marquee matches over the last like five to six weeks 356 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 5: have been going on with inter gender tag team wrestling. 357 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 2: Is that something you'd be interested in it all down 358 00:17:57,720 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 2: the road? 359 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think if it's you know, sure, the right scenario. 360 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 3: It kind of just depends on what and when and 361 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 3: why and whatever, But I think that could be interesting. Yeah, 362 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 3: I guess there is more of it. I kind of 363 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 3: hadn't thought about that till you said it. But yeah, 364 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 3: we'll see. You know, it depends who and what and 365 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:23,360 Speaker 3: how goes. 366 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, awesome, solid tary. 367 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 1: Sure of course, super excited about AW celebrating six year 368 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 1: anniversary tomorrow night, which again it's incredible because you look 369 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: at it and there's a lot of people online that 370 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: wanted to count out AEW that they weren't gonna last 371 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: for a year, and here we are six years later 372 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: and still going strong. Now, I I one thing I 373 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: want to ask you about because you see this and 374 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: everybody talks about creative input when it comes to AW, 375 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: and everybody's got their own opinions on it. But from 376 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: your entrance music to the gear to the storylines you're in, 377 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: how much creative input do you have these days? Because 378 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 1: everybody that we've talked to talk to from AW says 379 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: that Tony is always open to any and everything that's 380 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:07,120 Speaker 1: been thrown his way. 381 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. 382 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 1: Uh. 383 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 3: You know, I guess some people get more than others. 384 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 3: Some people who I wish probably didn't have it, get more, 385 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 3: uh than you'd want. But anyways, for me, at this point, 386 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 3: I feel like I you know, obviously they there are 387 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,719 Speaker 3: some things you can't do. But like, for example, uh 388 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 3: was it last year the year before, I wanted to 389 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 3: get lit on fire and that was something that I 390 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 3: had sort of experimented with. And when I said it, 391 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,360 Speaker 3: everyone was like, are you sure about that? Do you want? 392 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 3: I sent a video of me lighting myself on fire 393 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 3: in the yard just to show like, yeah, I'm serious. 394 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 3: Like and I got to, you know, come to fruition. 395 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 3: I just I had started in my time off in 396 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 3: the Scapegoad thing kind of filming my own vignettes in 397 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 3: my garage. I did one with a film projector and 398 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 3: one with a bunch of and so I kind of 399 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 3: felt I found this style. And I just I had 400 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 3: said with the Lucasaurus saw revival thing, I was like, 401 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 3: I have this idea and I want to dig a 402 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 3: coffin up and then hitch it to my bus and 403 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 3: drive it down the street because I think it will 404 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 3: make a bunch of sparks on the street and that'll 405 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 3: look really cool. And they were like, all right, yeah, 406 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 3: if you can, you know, make that happen, we can 407 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 3: do that. And I did it and they sent out 408 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 3: the film crew. This guy John Carlow, He's he's the 409 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 3: mastermind behind a lot of the filming stuff. Dan the 410 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 3: prop guy who's unnamed and in the shadows, but he 411 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 3: was awesome made it work, and so yeah, we just 412 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 3: I then for real got to drive a coffin down 413 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 3: the street in the middle of the night and spark 414 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 3: it up and all this stuff. So I found within reason, 415 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 3: I pretty much can bring whatever I want to the 416 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 3: table and make it happen. 417 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely right, I will say this. 418 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 1: And it's been really fun to watch because we follow 419 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: you on social media watching your knife making videos. 420 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 2: This has been incredible, by the way, any. 421 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 1: Any what what kind of got you into this, because 422 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 1: I mean it's I watch forged in fire and it's 423 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,439 Speaker 1: very unique that you could take this little piece of 424 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 1: steel and make a sword or a dagger or whatever. 425 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: And it's gotta be also calming for you to like. 426 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 3: At the end, you're like, I made this, Yeah for sure. 427 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 3: I uh, I get to keep one with me all 428 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 3: the Tno, it's one of my little ones right here. 429 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,919 Speaker 3: They're not the best. I'm still working on it. But 430 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 3: it's a little kind of going back here too. This 431 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 3: is the one I was wearing in the ring. It 432 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 3: all out when I went back in a little pocket sheet. 433 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 3: But the way that all came about it is funny 434 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 3: because it is related to wrestling as well. I had 435 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 3: I had sort of gotten into this idea. I made 436 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 3: this vignette with these TVs and I wanted to make 437 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,719 Speaker 3: this mask that was like almost a mirror kind of 438 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 3: that was like reflecting the TVs back and all, and 439 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 3: I got that ended up not happening, but I was 440 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 3: experimenting with how a mirror is made, and it's like 441 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,880 Speaker 3: a little layer of tin, so I and you can 442 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 3: actually melt tein in a pan on the oven. So 443 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 3: I got into that and that didn't work. But I 444 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 3: was then into the idea of metal melting and and 445 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 3: I actually for Christmas that you got me this like 446 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 3: it's just like a little what do you call it, 447 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:29,919 Speaker 3: like a crucible thing and you throw soda cans in 448 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,199 Speaker 3: it and melt it. So I was just doing that 449 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 3: in my off time making whatever. And then I won 450 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 3: the TNT title And at first people used to change 451 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 3: the color of the leather all the time, and I 452 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 3: thought that was cool because it's like a little spin 453 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 3: on each guy has it. When I got it, I said, hey, guys, 454 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 3: can I change the leather? I thought that was really cool, 455 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 3: and I wanted to put some like maybe animal fur something, 456 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 3: and somebody said, no, you can't change the leather, and 457 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 3: especially at that time, I was like, oh, okay, very good. 458 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,199 Speaker 3: And I got to thinking and I was like, I 459 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:11,199 Speaker 3: think I could just make a belt because I for 460 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 3: sure am changing it. And the fact that you told 461 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 3: me now that I can't like one thousand percent, and 462 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 3: I'm going to change it more than you ever thought. 463 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 3: So I got one of the replicas and I went 464 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 3: and started molding it with the sand and all that 465 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 3: and melting, and it took me like a week to 466 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 3: get it perfect, but I ended up getting it. And 467 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 3: then I was like, I'm changing this thing as much 468 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,400 Speaker 3: as I can, and I painted it black and put 469 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 3: blood and all this stuff, and that ended up being 470 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 3: my TNT title, which I appear somewhere. But then that 471 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 3: sort of seeing that I could do that, because I 472 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 3: wasn't sure I could do but I was like, I'm 473 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 3: pretty sure. Seeing that I could make that just sort 474 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 3: of got me more into the idea of metal stuff. 475 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 3: And then I ended up with another long period of 476 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 3: time off and I kind of was like, let me 477 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 3: see if I can make a knife and I. The 478 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 3: first one I made was terrible, and then I was like, 479 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 3: I think I could do a little better and a 480 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 3: little better. And then I kept having more and more 481 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 3: time off and this, and then I was like, I'm 482 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 3: just gonna go for it. And it's sort of transitioned 483 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 3: into this thing that uh, you know, they're not They're 484 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 3: not amazing or anything, but I can see them getting 485 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 3: better at it and it's kind of fun. And it's 486 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 3: ended up now being incorporated into the wrestling in a 487 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 3: way that I didn't think was gonna happen. It was 488 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 3: just me trying to kill time at home, but that 489 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 3: also has kind of ended up lending itself to the 490 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 3: character a bit. I don't know, it's it's just freedom 491 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 3: to kind of integrate all this stuff. But yeah, I 492 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,919 Speaker 3: got these little things. I just something to tag around 493 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 3: with at home. 494 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: I have a feeling not only are we going to 495 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: see Jack Perry on AW, I think we're gonna see 496 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 1: him on an episode of Forged and Firebary. 497 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 3: We'll see. I'm not I'm not good enough yet, but 498 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 3: one of these days I'll keep at it and we'll see. 499 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 2: Man, it's great to have you on the show. 500 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: I know a lot of fans, including myself and Eli, 501 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: are very excited to have you back, especially after that 502 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 1: reunion of you and Lucasaurus. Last question for you, because 503 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 1: we always like to have fun at the end of 504 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: the show. Obviously Tarzan Boy iconic theme song for you. 505 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 1: But with this new era that you're coming into, if 506 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 1: you could pick somebody to do your new theme song 507 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: coming out, who would you pick? 508 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 3: It's hard to say, And it's funny. We were talking 509 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 3: about this and there's this kind of I mean, we're 510 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 3: gonna see, we don't know. We're just throwing it all 511 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 3: out the wall and seeing if it works. The people 512 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 3: love the song so much, I don't know if we 513 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 3: can go with that. And for me it was really 514 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,679 Speaker 3: cool too. They started singing it before it even played, 515 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 3: and I think now when you see the two of 516 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 3: us together, it's like, that's what you So I'm interested 517 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 3: to see if we can kind of have this duality 518 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 3: of like all this kind of darker stuff while that 519 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 3: music is playing, which I don't know, like this is 520 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 3: not the same at all, but like White Lotus for example, 521 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 3: which I watch, it's like it's all on the surface 522 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 3: kind of very nice and they're in a hotel and 523 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 3: all this and then there's a murder going on underneath, 524 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,360 Speaker 3: and I feel like there are a lot of shows 525 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,199 Speaker 3: and things like that. I will take this. I have 526 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 3: no idea about new music, because I haven't thought about 527 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 3: it when I when I first when I first turned heel, 528 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 3: it was just a little I had. We'd been talked 529 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 3: about getting me a song by Alice in Chains called 530 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 3: them bones. That's what I don't know why. That's what 531 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 3: I had always seen and I really wanted that, and 532 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 3: that ended up falling through, I guess, and they told 533 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 3: me maybe an hour or thirty minutes before I went out, 534 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 3: we didn't get that it didn't work. You're gonna go 535 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 3: out with no music and you're just gonna like talk, 536 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 3: and I was like okay, And then they came back 537 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 3: twenty minutes a friend there like, actually, you're going out 538 00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 3: to Beethoven? What the hell is going on here? And 539 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 3: then that was what it was forbid. So I don't 540 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 3: know about the new music, but that's that's a little 541 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,360 Speaker 3: fun story in place of that awesome. 542 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 1: Well Jack, again, it's such an honor and our privileged 543 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 1: to have you here on the show with us today. 544 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: And again, like I said, we're we're trying not to 545 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 1: mark out, but who cares. 546 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 2: This is our show. We can mark out. 547 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 1: So great to have you here on the show, to 548 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: see you start from where you were day one to 549 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: where you are now. 550 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 2: Super excited for you for sure. 551 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,199 Speaker 1: And before we let you go, anything you want to 552 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: say to people watching or listening to this right now? 553 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, just stay tuned. Man. It's been a wild ride. 554 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 3: I can't believe it's been six years. It feels like 555 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 3: a whole life time almost. But the best is yet 556 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 3: to come. I firmly believe that. And we're having fun. 557 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 3: I hope you guys are having fun too. It's wrestling. 558 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 3: Just enjoy it.