1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: Sexton Show Podcast. Welcome in our number three Thursday edition 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: of the program. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. 4 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: As always, encourage you to go make sure that you 5 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: subscribe to The Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show podcast. All 6 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: you have to do, search out my name, Clay Travis, 7 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: search out Buck Sexton, lots of great stuff as a 8 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: part of the podcast network. Now you heard Tutor Dixon 9 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: guest hosts of the show last Friday. She is in 10 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: that podcast network, the Clay and Buck podcast Network, on 11 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: a regular basis, as is our friend Carol Markowitz. 12 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 2: So all of that underway. Fuck, I'm curious. 13 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: We talked a little bit about this earlier in the show, 14 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 1: but I'm curious to what extent are you setting your 15 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 1: Thursday evening, you know, sort of downtime around making sure 16 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: that you watch Ron DeSantis versus Gavin Newsome. Sean Hannity, 17 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: who many of you will be listening to in about 18 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: an hour, is going to be handling that at that debate. 19 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 2: I think it's a huge event. 20 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,119 Speaker 1: I've already planned I'm flying up to New York because 21 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: I've got the Tunnel the Towers fundraiser on Friday there, 22 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: they're gala event and I'm going to order food and 23 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 1: I'm going to kick my feet up, and I'm going 24 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 1: to watch this debate from my hotel room. That is 25 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: my evening plans. That is what I am all set for. 26 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna treat it like a sporting event. I think 27 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: it should be wildly entertaining. Are you also building where 28 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: you dv are it? How would you assess your planning 29 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:33,919 Speaker 1: associated with this debate? 30 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 2: Oh, we got steak in politics night over here. That's 31 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 2: a good one. It's a good one. Household. 32 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 3: We're cooking up some steaks New York Strip and doing 33 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 3: either the reverse here or the suvid, probably suvid tonight. 34 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 3: Also going to tell everybody I'm a big fan of 35 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 3: the flavor board for steaks. If you haven't seen an 36 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 3: ego on YouTube or somewhere, you'll find it. Where you 37 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 3: really season the steaks after it's cooked, when it's still 38 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 3: very hot. 39 00:01:57,920 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 2: It soaks up the flavor. 40 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 3: Just a little tip for all of you, because a 41 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 3: lot of the pepper and salt you put it in 42 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 3: the very beginning, some of it gets absorbed, some of 43 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 3: it comes off. Okay, side note, Here's why I I'm 44 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 3: looking forward to watching this. I appreciate. Yesterday Viveke was 45 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 3: like that debate is crap. I don't even care. He was, 46 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 3: by the way, is. 47 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:19,239 Speaker 2: What I would say if I were a vake. 48 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 3: Too, I was gonna say if I'm h yeah, sure, 49 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 3: but it's actually not crap. It's going to be interesting, 50 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 3: and I think it's it's something that you know, I'm 51 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:28,959 Speaker 3: gonna be watching at home. A lot of my friends 52 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 3: down here in Florida are watching. Might have had a 53 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 3: few friends over. My brothers may come by so here. 54 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 3: Here's the thing. Yeah, because if you're a vake, you 55 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 3: don't want any attention for Ron to say as a candidate, right, 56 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 3: I want to see more high level debate. That is 57 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 3: my my fundamental premise in American politics, in American media, 58 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 3: we have gotten to a place now where no one 59 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 3: has to defend their positions anymore. You know, no one 60 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 3: is is really pushed and feels like and people can say, oh, well. 61 00:02:58,240 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 2: How do we change this? 62 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 3: Well, you need to have people that feel that there's 63 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 3: a pressure from the public for them to have to 64 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 3: actually stand up and do it. I mean, you have 65 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 3: two got two governors, national level political figures, representative of 66 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 3: their respective ideologies, who are going to be laying out, 67 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 3: you know, what it is that they're trying to accomplish 68 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 3: and why they do what they do. This is what 69 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 3: people need to hear Clay, I feel like, I mean, 70 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 3: I've said this before when when I first got into media, 71 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 3: I came from an era of watching things like Crossfire 72 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 3: and Firing Line and these different shows, and that's gone now. 73 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 3: I mean even it used to have a lot more. Honestly, 74 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 3: used to have a lot more debate on Fox. You know, 75 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 3: high level people from the Democrats side would go on 76 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 3: Fox and those were the clips that would go viral. 77 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 3: I feel like no one debates anymore. So I'm not 78 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 3: saying this is going to change all that, but there 79 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 3: may be follow on to it. 80 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 2: There may be, So for me, it's just this is 81 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 2: what needs to start to happen. Yeah, I think this 82 00:03:59,520 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 2: is all So. 83 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: Now, you heard Vivek yesterday say that he thought Gavin 84 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: Newsom was going to be the nominee in twenty four He. 85 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 3: Wronged by the way he's wrong, He's that's the second 86 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 3: thing he said in the interview that was wrong. 87 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 2: But keep going. I agree with him. I thought he 88 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 2: was brilliant and astute on that take. 89 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 1: But I do think if you told me right now, Okay, 90 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 1: let's take twenty four off the board, what is the 91 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 1: most likely matchup in twenty twenty eight. I would vote 92 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: Ron DeSantis against Gavin Newsom for President of the United States, 93 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 1: right because whatever happens with even if you presume that 94 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: it's Biden versus Trump, both of those guys are way 95 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: too old regardless of what happens. Like Joe Biden, if 96 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: he loses, is not going to rematch Donald Trump. And 97 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 1: if Donald Trump loses, I think it would be almost 98 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: impossible for him to run for a third term of office. 99 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: I say almost impossible at the age of eighty one, 100 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: given where he would, you know, four years from now, 101 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: that seems highly unlikely. By the way, I think Trump 102 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: will win if he's the nominee, so he would be 103 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: term limited out. One of those guys gonna be term 104 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: limited out. The other one I think is going to 105 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: be too old. I think we will get a turning 106 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 1: of the page, a brand new generation in twenty twenty eight. 107 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 1: To me, this is the first It's like a preseason 108 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: game for what might well be the twenty twenty eight 109 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 1: presidential election. And I don't know that there is a 110 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 1: better this to me, just you know, strip aside everything else. 111 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: To me, the most consequential thing that's happened in this 112 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 1: country in the twenty first century is COVID in our 113 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: response to it, leaving aside nine to eleven. But in 114 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 1: the last twenty years, the most consequential thing that's happened 115 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 1: is nine to eleven in our response to it. We 116 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: still never have gotten a direct opportunity for people to 117 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: vote on who made the right decisions associated with COVID. 118 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 2: We never had that right. 119 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 1: You've got referendums where different incumbents, whether they're Democrats or Republicans, 120 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: they all won. Right there at twenty twenty two. Everybody 121 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: hates every politician. The only guy who lost was Nevada's governor, 122 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: the lack or whatever that was, like, the only statewide 123 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: incumbent who lost. Even this idiot uh Basher, who got 124 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 1: everything wrong in the red state of Kentucky won as 125 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: an incumbent re election. Everybody won. It didn't matter what 126 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 1: decision you made. One by more against our friend Tutor Dixon. 127 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: I mean, you know you you look at. 128 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 3: The opportunity for the people to vote on COVID, and 129 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 3: it did not go the way that sanity and accountability 130 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,239 Speaker 3: would have wanted to. I would just say this, though, Clay, 131 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 3: back to my point about a public debate, and keep 132 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 3: in mind, it's not even just that in the media, 133 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 3: the you know, rock em sock em throwdowns on TV. 134 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 3: I mean, I remember I used to go on that 135 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 3: side media Eye, which if you're not in the media 136 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 3: you probably maybe don't even know about, but it's and 137 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 3: it was just clips of people fighting on cable news 138 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 3: all day. It was great because you'd see the best 139 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 3: cable news fight's. There's basically no cable news fights anymore 140 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 3: because nobody goes on each other's channels. It's even more 141 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 3: than that, though, I mean, look, it's good strategy, but 142 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 3: Trump isn't even debating against his primary opponents, right, I mean, 143 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 3: this is there's this move away and I'm saying this, 144 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 3: you know, taking a guest here or a prediction. I 145 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 3: don't think that Joe Biden's going to debate Donald Trump. 146 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 3: I think he's going to say, we all know what 147 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 3: I stand for, what he stands for, and I'm not 148 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 3: going to platform that insurrectionist or something like that. I 149 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 3: don't think he's going to debate Donald Trump. So when 150 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 3: I say we've moved away from debate, it's much bigger 151 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 3: even than just oh, we need like ratings on TV 152 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 3: and no. People should if they want power and they 153 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 3: want to tell you what you have to do, and 154 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 3: they want to shape laws and they want to take 155 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 3: policy action, they should be willing to say here's why, 156 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 3: and subject themselves to appropriate people who also have a 157 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 3: knowledge of what's going on to push back on this. 158 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 3: People who push the worst policies would have been able 159 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 3: to do it the way that they did if there 160 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 3: was an expectation that either the press or other you know, 161 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 3: that they would have to actually defend their positions. We've 162 00:07:58,080 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 3: just gotten away from this now. 163 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, and everybody wants to talk about threats to democracy 164 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: in January sixth. To me, the biggest threat to democracy 165 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: is when you are objectively wrong as a leader and 166 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: there are no consequences for your wrongness. I'm not talking 167 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: about Hey, we've got a debate about what the tax 168 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: rate should be for corporations, and somebody says it should 169 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: be twenty percent, and somebody else says no, it should 170 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: be thirty five percent. I'm talking about there were many governors, 171 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: including Gavin Newsom, who shut down schools four years. Objectively, 172 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: the kids that could least afford to have school shut 173 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: down were the least able to get an education during 174 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:42,079 Speaker 1: that period. Gavin Newsom failed the children of California. He 175 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: failed the small businesses of California. That's why over a 176 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: million people have left his state. And yet he has 177 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: for the most part, rejected all consequences for his decision making, 178 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: and there has been none. And so to me, what 179 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: should happen in twenty twenty four? Again, I'm saying should 180 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: because if you are a diehard Trump supporter, or you're 181 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: a diehard Nicky Haley supporter, or whatever, the two guys 182 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:13,479 Speaker 1: who represented bit states and made the most different decisions 183 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: as representatives of those states as leaders of those states 184 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: were Ron DeSantis and Gavin Newsom. Yesterday we talked buck 185 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: about Disney World versus Disney Land. I think it's a 186 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 1: perfect metaphor for how right Ron DeSantis was and how 187 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: wrong Gavin Newsom was. 188 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 2: So tonight, i am hoping that Ron. 189 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 1: DeSantis absolutely fullays Gavin Newsom because all the facts are on. 190 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 2: His side, and if he does, this is the question. 191 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: I think it's a preview for twenty twenty eight regardless, 192 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:45,319 Speaker 1: and I think it's an election that would make a 193 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: lot of sense for twenty twenty four because we'd finally 194 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 1: have a referendum on COVID. But buck if he does, 195 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: here's the big question coming out of tonight. If Ron 196 00:09:55,600 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: DeSantis goes out and he crushes Gavin Newsom, does it 197 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: change the trajectory of twenty twenty four? I think it's 198 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: a preview for twenty twenty eight. It's like when two 199 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: really good teams in the NFL play in the early 200 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: part of the season and the super Bowls coming later. 201 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: I think a super Bowl in twenty eight might be 202 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: between those two guys. But does it alter anything that 203 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: happens tonight? The way people think for twenty twenty four. 204 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 3: It's it's style versus substance, really, and so I get that. 205 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 3: I'm very certain is going to be my takeaway, just 206 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 3: because the substance is entirely on DeSantis's side, based on 207 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 3: all the metrics that you can actually count, all the 208 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 3: numbers that you can tabulate, whereas a Gavin Newsom, it's 209 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:46,319 Speaker 3: about you know, hey like women's rights and growth and diversity, 210 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 3: and you know it's just it's. 211 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: Just all sort of inequity. And I love your I 212 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: love your Gavin Newsom voice. Thank you equity and inclusion. 213 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:55,199 Speaker 1: I think he's going to show up at. 214 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 3: A debate with like with like four buttons down, you know, 215 00:10:58,160 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 3: showing a lot of man chest. 216 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: I think he might see his nipple. I think I'm 217 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: just gonna I'm just gonna toss it out there. I 218 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: think Gavin Newsom might if he turns the right way. 219 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 1: I think he might flash some nip. I mean, the 220 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: amount of Gavin Newsom love from women is like women 221 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: should have to defend themselves in California for falling for 222 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: this dude. 223 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:17,959 Speaker 2: Women are like, oh, we need more good guy. 224 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: You ever, you always hear women like complain about needing 225 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: more good guys and then like the good guy sitting 226 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: by himself at the end of the bar and nobody 227 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: will talk to him. Like women go for flashing substance 228 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 1: like Gavin Newsom over like the nitty gritty, like bring 229 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: home the bacon guy all the time. 230 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 2: And Gavin Newsom is a perfect representation of that. Yeah, 231 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 2: I mean, he's he's. 232 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 3: The political equivalent of the guy who shows up on 233 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 3: the harley with the tattoos on his shoulders to pick 234 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 3: up your daughter when she's college age or something. You're like, wait, 235 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 3: who is this guy? Where did he come from? Like, well, 236 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 3: you know, he's revving the motor out there. He's like, 237 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 3: come on, sweetie. So you know, Gavin Newsom is all 238 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:59,319 Speaker 3: about the appearance, the appearance of leadership and vision and 239 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 3: all this, but his state is and I always like 240 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 3: to point this out too. I mean, I grew up 241 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 3: as a New Yorker somewhat jealous of California. We'll come 242 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 3: back to this play in a moment, because we're obviously 243 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 3: both pretty fired up. 244 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 2: About this DeSantis Newsom debate tonight. 245 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 3: But first off, look this holiday season, the Tunnel the 246 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 3: Towers Foundation is delivering on its ongoing commitment to do 247 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 3: good and never forget the sacrifices of America's greatest heroes. 248 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 3: During their annual season of Hope. 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That's t 266 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 3: the number two t dot org. 267 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: From the front Lines of Truth, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. 268 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 2: All right, welcome back everybody to Clay and Buck. 269 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 3: You know, Clay, as we were talking about the reality 270 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 3: here of the Gavin newsom Ron Destantus debate on one 271 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 3: thing that I thought was, really, you know, that's going 272 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 3: to be hanging in the background of all this too, 273 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 3: because I would wonder what the numbers are for California. 274 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 3: But nationwide, you see this that today, based on inflation, 275 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 3: the rise of prices and everything else that's going on nationwide, 276 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 3: Americans need an extra eleven thousand, four hundred dollars to 277 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 3: afford the basics of their day to day gas, food, rent, 278 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 3: or mortgage. You know pretty much stage here, it's like 279 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 3: you're renting it from the bank. You know, these are 280 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 3: these are the kind of numbers that if I if 281 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 3: we had a media that wasn't and I know this 282 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 3: is the oldest thing in conservative media saying, oh the 283 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 3: media is so biased and liberal, but clay eleven four 284 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 3: hundred dollars, I mean, that's just a lot of money, period. 285 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 3: That's a lot of money for people that right now 286 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 3: are running up credit card deck getting behind on car payments. 287 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 3: It's getting messy out there right now. 288 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. 289 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: I saw that, and several of these media organizations simultaneously 290 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: also had stories saying, I don't understand why people don't 291 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: realize how good the economy is. And it's funny when 292 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: you see some of these articles side by side, like 293 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: everyone should just be thankful that bidnomics is the greatest 294 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: thing that's ever occurred in the history of the country. 295 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: And then simultaneously you have stories where people are scrambling 296 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: to be able to afford basics. And I think a 297 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: huge part of this is and I keep hammering it 298 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: because it is such a massive talking point that I 299 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: think a lot of people are missing. Inflation is now 300 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: embedded forever. So the fact that inflation comes back down 301 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: to two percent is fine, but if you look at 302 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: what things cost now, the price is never coming back down. 303 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: And so a big part of this is rent and 304 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: housing because if you didn't buy a home, if you 305 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: are listening to us, and I hate to say it, 306 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: but if you're listening to us right now and you 307 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: are twenty eight or thirty two or thirty four, and 308 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: you've been saving money for your whole life to try 309 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: to put a down payment on a house, you miss 310 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: two and a half or three percent interest, And unfortunately, 311 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: you haven't seen prices on homes come back down. They've 312 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: actually continued to go up what we probably need. And 313 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: this is unfortunate, but it's a reality based on what's 314 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: happened with cost of housing. Cost of housing relative to 315 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: wages has basically never been higher. There are many parts 316 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: of the country right now where if you have a 317 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: normal job and you have a normal life, you have 318 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: almost no hope of being able to buy a home 319 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: in that city, and I would suggest maybe consider if 320 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: you can moving somewhere else that's more affordable. But the 321 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: problem is prices should come down when mortgage rates go up. 322 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: But I think eighty percent of people right now who 323 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: have mortgages have low rate mortgages. They're not going to 324 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: put their houses on the market, and therefore we have 325 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: the lowest number of houses ever in the last thirty years, 326 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: I think selling right now, there's. 327 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 2: Almost no inventory. 328 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: So the lack of inventory is still driving up housing costs, 329 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: which means you have, right now, if you're trying to 330 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: enter the home buying market, the highest mortgage rates in 331 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: twenty some odd years, and prices are continuing to go up, 332 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: meaning unless you're rich, legitimately it's almost impossible to find 333 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: a home you can afford. 334 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 3: And this is where I start to feel like a 335 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 3: contrarian impulse. Right now for the economy, Clay, it seems 336 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 3: like there's been a little bit of an exhalation. A 337 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 3: soft landing is upon US. Rates are going to come down, 338 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 3: Inflation is going to be under control. 339 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, but maybe there's a. 340 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 3: Lot on the books of banks, and a lot of 341 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 3: commercial mortgages and a lot of things that are kind 342 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,880 Speaker 3: of being hidden away that it all start may coming 343 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 3: tumbling down. This is my way of saying, I'm starting 344 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 3: to worry that while everyone's you know, supposed to be breathing, 345 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 3: they're not breathing easier because of pricing them. While they're 346 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 3: supposed to be breathing easier, we could be Maybe next 347 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 3: year is when an actual recession hits. And I know 348 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 3: they're going to try to do everything they can to 349 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 3: avoid it. But just because they want to avoid it 350 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 3: doesn't mean that they can, right, And so I'm I'm 351 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 3: starting to feel a little weird about this economy. But look, 352 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 3: there's not a week that goes by without another conference 353 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 3: on Artificial Intelligence and implications for SID and business. AI 354 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 3: is massive. It's gonna change the way so much business 355 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 3: is done. 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And Buck, I saw 372 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 1: this video last night and for those of you who 373 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: don't know, and you thought to yourself, well, maybe those 374 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: crazy Palestinian protests against Israel, maybe they would start to 375 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: slow down. 376 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 2: They haven't. Really. 377 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: We're two months in about since the October seventh terror attack, 378 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 1: and last night there was yet another protest in New 379 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: York City, tons of flags of Palestine. They were waiving 380 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: them widely, including at the Christmas tree outside of outside 381 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: of the Fox News headquarters on Sixth Avenue in New 382 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 1: York City. 383 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 2: I've been there a bunch, You've been there a bunch. Buck. 384 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 1: Here is what it sounded like last night, as people 385 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: were climbing onto walls around Fox News and chanting this 386 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: all right, saying basically, free, free Palestine. From the river 387 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 1: to the sea, Palestine will be free. And then they 388 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: also then continued in front of Fox News, chanting shut 389 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: it down. At the flood the tree lighting for Gaza, 390 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: I believe this was the Rockefeller Center tree. 391 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 2: I don't know. 392 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: Why the predominantly Muslim protesters decided to protest a Christmas 393 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 1: tree lighting, because I don't necessarily think of Christmas trees 394 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 1: as being incredibly connected to the Jewish population. But they 395 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: were outside of the Fox News tree. I think also 396 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 1: there was supposed to be the lighting of the Rockefeller 397 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 1: Center tree, and so it was kind of just a 398 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: jumbled mess. But here they are outside of the Fox 399 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: News Christmas tree. Cut five. 400 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 2: Okay, they're chanting shut it down, as you can well hear. 401 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 1: And this is getting pretty chaotic There were later I 402 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: believe some of these protesters arrested. 403 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 2: Buck. 404 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: You'll remember, was it last year that they burned down 405 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 1: the Fox News Christmas tree or maybe it was two 406 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: years ago. This is a big Christmas tree right outside 407 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 1: the twelve eleven building on sixth Avenue in the middle 408 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: of Manhattan. 409 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 2: And these people are not crazy person or was that 410 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 2: a protest? No? 411 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 1: No, no, it was a crazy it was, But I 412 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 1: mean some crazy person burned down the Fox News Christmas 413 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: tree because I remember I remember saying, you know, you 414 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: need to do I was talking to the Fox News 415 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,640 Speaker 1: execs and I was like, look, we need to. 416 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,199 Speaker 2: Do more programming in Nashville. I can't guarantee everything's going 417 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 2: to be perfect. 418 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:46,679 Speaker 1: I don't think anybody's going to burn down your Christmas 419 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: tree in Nashville and in much of the country, I 420 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:50,640 Speaker 1: think that would be true too. But this is now 421 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: at least two Fox News Christmas Tree related events. 422 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 2: But this is these people who are angry at Israel. 423 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: It's not doesn't seem to me Buck getting the temperature 424 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,880 Speaker 1: dialed down to any degree, right, And we're coming now 425 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 1: into the Christmas season and these people are still just 426 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: as angry as they were two months ago. 427 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 3: Well, the military campaign is currently paused, as we know, 428 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 3: because of the hostage swaps that have happened in Or 429 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 3: I should say, yeah, the swaps four hostages. Israel has 430 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,719 Speaker 3: people who are in prison who are combatants and they 431 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 3: release some of them. Meanwhile Hamas has like babies and 432 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 3: elderly people. But there's this, You can tell there is 433 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 3: a hope among many people who are perhaps not as 434 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 3: openly pro Hamas or you know, crying on behalf of Palestine, 435 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 3: that somehow this just results in a permanent cease fire 436 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 3: and that Israel is not going to do what it 437 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 3: has to do here, which I think would. 438 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 2: Be a huge mistake. 439 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 3: I don't think the Israelis are going to do that. 440 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 3: But as long as there is either military action by 441 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 3: Israel or the imminent reality of military action, I think 442 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 3: these protests are likely to continue. And you one thing 443 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 3: about this I thought was just what is the point 444 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 3: of these protests? I remember thinking this at various times, 445 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 3: whether it's during BLM riots or what I mean is 446 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 3: not why do they say they're protesting clay? But what 447 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 3: would they actually think is being accomplished by these protests? 448 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 2: And it really does remind me. 449 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 3: I mean, if you go back and you read Rules 450 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 3: for Radicals, spent a lot of time thinking about and 451 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 3: talking about that. Because of my days working for Glenn Beck, 452 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 3: and he brought Rules for Radicals forward. It became a 453 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,640 Speaker 3: thing that the American people all of a sudden knew 454 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 3: about and paid attention to thanks to Glenn the idea 455 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 3: of political mobilization as something that is enjoyable for the 456 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 3: people who are involved in it. This is that I 457 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 3: think a lot of these pro Palestine protests are are 458 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 3: just surly malcontents. 459 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 2: Who are looking for an excuse to. 460 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 3: Bang drums, to shout, to yell at people, including the 461 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 3: yell you know, profanity and threats of people. I saw 462 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 3: some video of one of these protests where they were shouting. 463 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 3: One guy was shouting anti anti Semitic slurs a a guy. 464 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 2: I mean, this is but for these people, it's almost 465 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 2: a you know, they just want to vent their spleen. 466 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 2: You know, they just want to. 467 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 3: Be It's an excuse to make a lot of noise, 468 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 3: draw attention to yourself because you're not. 469 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 2: No one's saying. All the guys who were at the 470 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 2: Christmas at the Christmas Tree in front of Fox. They 471 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,919 Speaker 2: got a point. I'm on board with them, like you know, 472 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 2: they change my mind. I actually think. 473 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: Tubac, it's about social media because I think people want 474 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: to get their picture at the protest to post on 475 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 1: social media so everyone can see how good of a 476 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 1: person they are. I remember we posted we talked about 477 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 1: this in the first hour of the show. But Elon 478 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: Musk I thought in his deal book comments was so 479 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: interesting about this because, and I'm paraphrasing him, but there's 480 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 1: this massive demand from people who are not actually doing 481 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: anything good to claim that they're doing something good when 482 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: they're actually sometimes engaged in acts that are profoundly evil. 483 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: And I really do wonder in the same way, you know, 484 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 1: during the BLM protests, do you remember how many people 485 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,679 Speaker 1: you saw like posting a picture of themselves in the 486 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: middle of the BLM protests in the same way that 487 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 1: someone would post a picture of themselves on a fancy 488 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 1: beach vacation. It's to show people, hey, look at me, 489 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: look at what I'm doing. It's personal branding, and it 490 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 1: is such a weird world. And I know a lot 491 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: of you out there are are older, and you know, 492 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: maybe you post pictures of your grandkids on Facebook or something, 493 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: but you're not really plugged in. Every person in an 494 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 1: age of social media has to feel like they have 495 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 1: a personal brand. And your personal brand is not just 496 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 1: something that you support, although it can be, it's also 497 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 1: what you're against. And I think it's fundamentally changed the 498 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: way that national discourse occurs because I remember, and I 499 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: met you do too, Buck. When I was a kid, 500 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: I remember my grandma saying, there's two things people should 501 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 1: never talk about. She was, you know, eighty years old 502 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:17,360 Speaker 1: at the time, and politics. Religion and politics two things, right, 503 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 1: And that was pretty common I think a lot of 504 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: times in the seventies, eighties, nineties, like you kind of 505 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 1: just got used to what and religion. It wasn't like 506 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,679 Speaker 1: you were in the era in which I grew up 507 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: in Buck, it was like you were Church of Christ, 508 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 1: or you were Baptist or I mean you were in 509 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 1: some way religious, right, but it wasn't you just didn't 510 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: even talk about your particular religious you know, discipline. It 511 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: wasn't like there were a lot of Muslims or a 512 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: lot of Jews around where I grew up in the South. 513 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 1: It was primarily you were just one faction of Protestant 514 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,239 Speaker 1: and you just didn't even talk about that because there 515 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,199 Speaker 1: was a difference in you know, relatively small difference in 516 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: the grand scheme of things. 517 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 3: If you look at history, even different factions of Protestant 518 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 3: or factions of Christian and occasionally they have problems with 519 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 3: each other, occasionally they get a little correct, a little 520 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 3: little too excited about things. But I think, uh that 521 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 3: that what we see. 522 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 2: What we see now. 523 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, the social media component of it is is huge. 524 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 3: But I really believe so here's the thing, you know 525 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,679 Speaker 3: how I think you had said here on the show, 526 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 3: and people have made similar predictions. Bolm will come back 527 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 3: for the for the election year. Yes, because Palestinian issues 528 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 3: are treated as a race issue by the left in America. 529 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 3: It doesn't matter that that's ignorant of the actual truth 530 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 3: of what's you know, on the ground of the demographics 531 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 3: in Israel, because it is I think this is where 532 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 3: the the racial grievance apparatus may push, This may be 533 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 3: the issue going into the election year. They they'll they'll 534 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,880 Speaker 3: see how long they can make this go. So this 535 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,360 Speaker 3: is also why if you remember one of the loudest 536 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 3: and craziest entities out there on behalf of the Palestinia 537 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 3: early on or different BLM factions. Yeah, why is BLM 538 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 3: so interested in you know, you know, all of a 539 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 3: sudden geopolitics. Ah, because this is for the left a 540 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 3: race issue first and fourth, I'll tell you actually why 541 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 3: I disagree with that when you come back. This is 542 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 3: really interesting point, and I'll tell you when we come 543 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 3: back in the next segment, I'll tell you why I 544 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 3: think it has to be BLM and why this group 545 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 3: will not be able to surpass in the grievance train BLM. 546 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 3: But it's a really interesting discussion that you just just 547 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 3: hit me on here. But in the meantime, we heard 548 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 3: from a listener who was a victim of online identity 549 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 3: theft in the past week during the shopping for Inzy 550 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 3: around Thanksgiving. No sooner did he get a phone call 551 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 3: in text from LifeLock there was evidence of credit card fraud. 552 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 3: Than he checked his credit card balance found one bogus 553 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 3: charge after another. Whoever, the cyber thief was acted quickly, 554 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 3: five purchases in an hour, the biggest being more than 555 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 3: six thousand dollars. 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Also, we've got 581 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 3: other podcasts that go into the feeds. You've got new 582 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 3: fresh content that you can't even hear on our wonderful 583 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 3: three hour radio show. Download the iHeart Radio app and 584 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 3: please listen there. 585 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 2: It's a great way to do it. 586 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 3: And I just stumbled upon some third degree black belt 587 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 3: ninja level analysis over here, you know, I mean, really 588 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 3: like just high level stuff, and Clay's like, actually, actually 589 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 3: I don't know about that, and I wasn't saying it 590 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 3: will happen. 591 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,719 Speaker 2: I'm just saying it could happen. But it seems to 592 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 2: me that Palestinian. 593 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 3: Issues have become effectively racialized in this country such that 594 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 3: the Left is mobilizing around them and may continue to 595 00:30:59,040 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 3: do so. 596 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 2: Clay, he says no, Clay says, well, what do you say, sir? 597 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: So here's why I think BLM has to come back. 598 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: All of the Palestinian mobilization actually is incredibly detrimental to 599 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:19,479 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four chances for Democrats because it is an 600 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 1: identity politics collision because it requires you to choose between 601 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: supporting the Palestinians or the Jews, which have traditionally both 602 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: been Democrat electorates. They are going to somehow, in my opinion, 603 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 1: Buck have to pivot out of this protest and come 604 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 1: back to BLM because BLM makes the white man the 605 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: bad guy, and BLM in theory at least creates identity 606 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 1: politics beneficial to the Democrat Party because they argue, Oh, 607 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: America is so racist that unless you support Democrats, there's 608 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: going to be This is their argument, black people getting 609 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: murdered left and right by these all awful racist police officers. 610 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: The ones of whom they focus on Buck are only white. 611 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 2: Remember what happened with Tyree Nichols. Five black guys kill him. 612 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 1: Nobody cares If the black cops do anything, it's got 613 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 1: to be white cops acting out. And so I think 614 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: they are going to recognize that this is so detrimental 615 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: to their identity politics alliance because it put peels off 616 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:27,719 Speaker 1: both Arab support and Jewish support from Democrats. They'll find 617 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 1: and I hate to say this, I hate to sound 618 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 1: so cynical, but they will find a police officer somewhere 619 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 1: in America that they believe a white guy, that they 620 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: are white women, that they believe engaged in a predatory 621 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: behavior against a black person excessive force, and they will 622 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: turn it into a major national issue again. Now the 623 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: question is on top of that they're going to try it, 624 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 1: I war, but I got a couple things to throw 625 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 1: in before you going. 626 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 3: Can we put a pin on the on top of 627 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 3: that actuse? Weally got a few minutes here before we close. 628 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 3: I don't think that, especially once the military side of 629 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 3: things easy. First of all, my actual prediction is that 630 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 3: this is going to fade and by next fall, no 631 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 3: one's even going to be thinking about this issue. But 632 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 3: if you're just talking about where the mobilization of left 633 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 3: this which is really what I'm referring to, like leftissentities 634 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 3: like BLM, they've latched onto this Palestinian issue and they're 635 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 3: pushing this, and I say it's because it's a racialized 636 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 3: issue for them instead of actually what it is, which 637 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 3: is a whole deeper Muslim Christian I'm sorry, Muslim Jewish issue, 638 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 3: but I don't. 639 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 2: Think you're going to see a major change in the 640 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 2: Jewish vote come the election. 641 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 3: Well, and I say that is somebody who couldn't be 642 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 3: more supportive of Israel than this. 643 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 2: That I think I have been. 644 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 3: And I think everyone knows my politics and my feelings 645 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 3: on this, but I just don't think you will see 646 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 3: a measurable shift. And now I will say my I mean, 647 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 3: most of my friends here in Florida, a majority of 648 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 3: my social acquaintances here in Florida are Jewish. They say 649 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 3: they think this moment is different. I don't think it 650 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 3: will end up being different when people cast their ballots. 651 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 3: That's my sense of it, because other it's just because 652 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 3: other issues come up and the you know, there's other things. 653 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 3: So I'm not sure they're as worried about the Identity 654 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:10,360 Speaker 3: Politics coalition as what your analysis lays out, because I 655 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 3: think that it will fade, but they'll continue to have 656 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 3: sort of these you know, Palestine protests and things like 657 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 3: that to give the BLM movement something to do. 658 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's such an interesting question because if you're right, 659 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 1: and it is the new version of BLM, to me, 660 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 1: what it would represent buck is that the left has 661 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: lost control of its ability to mobilize identity politics grievance 662 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: to drive turnout and actually that it's going to turn 663 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 1: on them because the question at some point all the 664 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: resolutions do BLM people forget this. A lot of Republicans 665 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 1: were betting the need to bl in twenty twenty because 666 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 1: that video, that George Flood video. 667 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 3: The way the way it impacted people when they first 668 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 3: saw it and everything else. There were and and people 669 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 3: got terrified and all of a sudden, you know, they're 670 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 3: they're everyone was running for cover on this issue. Well, 671 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 3: not everyone, like Tucker. There were some people that were saying, 672 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 3: hold on a second, hold on. I think the Tucker 673 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 3: Carlson's best monologues on TV ever, and I used to 674 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,360 Speaker 3: watch Tucker, you know, pretty pretty consistently. 675 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 2: Was when everyone was. 676 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 3: Saying, oh my gosh, maybe we could do police reform 677 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 3: at the national level. And He's like, there are lunatics 678 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 3: looting stores everywhere, burning them down, and attacking people, including 679 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 3: attacking cops in the streets. This is anti civilization, Like, 680 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 3: what's going on here? There are some Republicans who were 681 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 3: very oh, let's talk about criminal justice reform now. 682 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 1: There were lots and look, Trump shared on truth social 683 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 1: a post from somebody who was in the formerly or 684 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 1: currently in the BLM community, saying that he I believe 685 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:47,799 Speaker 1: was going. 686 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 2: To support Trump. 687 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,799 Speaker 1: I think that is where I think the intuition of 688 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 1: Trump was right too, that he could break up identity politics. 689 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,320 Speaker 1: The challenge that he ran into was I think COVID 690 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 1: put everything on such steroids. I don't think I think 691 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 1: he underestimated how nasty Democrats would be to paint him 692 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 1: as a racist. And even still he still grew Black, 693 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 1: Asian and Hispanic support. But this is going to be 694 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: one of the most important stories I think to follow 695 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 1: is how does the Democrats, how do they reconcile their 696 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,759 Speaker 1: identity politics given what's going on right now with all 697 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 1: these protests. 698 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 3: And we shall, uh, you know, we'll see if my 699 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 3: prediction ends up being right on the lack of a 700 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 3: change in support despite all this within certain communities. 701 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 2: But we gotta leave it there. 702 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,400 Speaker 3: I'm gonna go h make sure my stakes are defrosted 703 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,840 Speaker 3: and plan out. He's sort of texting and tweeting, so 704 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:42,800 Speaker 3: make sure you check it out. Tonight we'll be watching 705 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 3: as a Sean moderates between Gavin Newsom and Ron de Sante. 706 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 2: Should be fun and thanks everybody. We'll talk to you tomorrow.