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Speaker 2: Good Morning, Hey, Welcome to Good Morning Football Live in

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Speaker 3: It's Thursday August tenth.

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Speaker 2: Jamie Erdaal, Kyle Brandt, Peter Striker, Jason mccordy.

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Speaker 3: It is Thursday August tenth.

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Speaker 2: Thursday August tenth means Peter games, tonight games tonight.

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Speaker 3: How dare you? Eight eight eight?

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Speaker 4: No? That was two days.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, I almost got you's got you two

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Speaker 2: games tonight games.

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Speaker 3: Well, you tell us what are you a part of?

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Speaker 5: We've got that's tomorrow. That's how we got Texans versus Page,

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Speaker 5: got Seahawks versus Vikings on the network.

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Speaker 6: Football here, Real football.

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Speaker 3: And you are working tonight, I am working.

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Speaker 6: Yes, a little twin cast, Devon and myself will be

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Speaker 6: an alternate cast for the Patriots Texans game. Should be

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Speaker 6: a lot of fun, lot of laughs.

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Speaker 2: Now do you call the Manning brothers for help or

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Speaker 2: advice or how to go about your business or something

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Speaker 2: like this?

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Speaker 1: They're not twins, they're right level right, should just have

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Speaker 1: famous twins on.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: The Scholar Brothers, the Olston twins, Kent Rbek, that type thing,

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Speaker 1: Frankie sweet music for the old.

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Speaker 6: Have to have my people called our people and should

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Speaker 6: do it great.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm excited for the lead segment and

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Speaker 1: what Jason's going to talk about. I'm excited for angry,

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Speaker 1: frustrated Mac Jones voiceover do it.

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Speaker 6: I love it. I know what they're gonna go with.

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Speaker 6: He's the guy coming.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Comes.

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Speaker 2: We've got a huge preseason doubleheader, as we just mentioned,

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Speaker 2: Peter said NFIL Network tonight. It starts with the Texts

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Speaker 2: taking on the Patriots in New England, followed by Vikings

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Speaker 2: heading west of Seattle to play the Seahawks. That's all

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Speaker 2: live tonight. NFL Network starts at seven pm Eastern. Two

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Speaker 2: football games, so let's keep it with the Patriots first.

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Speaker 2: On Tuesday, Bill Belichick was asked about his quarterbacks for Thursday,

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Speaker 2: and as you can imagine, he gave a very specific

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Speaker 2: and your answer, what's.

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Speaker 6: Your plan for Thursday night with the snapcout for each quarterback?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm still working on that.

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Speaker 4: But the players who are at least experienced will get

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Speaker 4: those playing times.

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Speaker 6: Tell you that, well, yeah, I don't know, all right, Yeah, no,

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: It's like my two year old right now.

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Speaker 2: She says no to everything first, no matter what you're like,

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Speaker 2: you want a popsicle?

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Speaker 3: She goes no.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So, we don't know anything official yet for tonight's game

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Speaker 2: against the Texans, but we do know that the Patriots

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Speaker 2: unofficial depth chart was released yesterday and it lists Mac

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Speaker 2: Jones as QB one over Billy Zappi.

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Speaker 3: There's no or, it's just Bac Jones and then Billy Zappi.

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Speaker 2: So all off season we heard from Bill Belichick that

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Speaker 2: the quarterbacks would have a quote chance to compete for

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Speaker 2: the starting job. This is not unusual for Belichick, of course,

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Speaker 2: but let's ask this, how can Mac Jones end the

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Speaker 6: Mac Jones is going to be the Week one start.

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Speaker 6: I don't think there is any competition here between him

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Speaker 6: I don't think he's going to play tonight. I think

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Speaker 6: other quarterbacks getting all the reps. I think Mac will

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Speaker 6: This isn't a competition. He's the number one guy. Now,

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Speaker 6: their question is how does he hold on to that.

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Speaker 6: I look at Mac Jones and his Patriots team and

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Speaker 6: This is a team that was in winning in in

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Speaker 6: last year with the subpar quarterback play, offense kind of

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Speaker 6: So I think going into this year, you're gonna see

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Speaker 6: For Mac Jones, I look at three things for him.

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Speaker 6: It has to be control, poise, and toughness. Those are

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Speaker 6: this year, because as you watched him last year, he

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Speaker 6: And I think there are a ton of excuses that

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Speaker 6: Matt Patricia, first time as an offensive coordinator who's a

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Speaker 6: matter how great Bill O'Brien is, there's going to be

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Speaker 6: adversity this year. There are gonna be things that don't

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Speaker 6: go their way. How does he handle those things? Do

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Speaker 6: do they feel comfortable with him in control and taking

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Speaker 6: biggest question mark because when you see a guy acting

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Speaker 6: on the side on this, that and the third it's different.

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Speaker 6: He was just getting into the league only in year two.

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Speaker 6: Guys want to see you have control and poise no

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Speaker 6: matter what goes down. I think those are the question marks.

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Speaker 6: That's I put you on the spot right now.

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Speaker 5: You talk to your brother, your twin brother, you talk

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Speaker 5: to about he's maybe the most decorated Patriot in the

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Speaker 5: last ten years that's not named Tom Brady. Is he

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Speaker 5: all in on Mac Jones? Is Devin like Mac is

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Speaker 5: one of those guys knowing him now three seasons inside

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Speaker 6: I think he likes mac Jones, but I wouldn't call

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Speaker 6: Devin an evaluator of the quarterback position to say like, hey,

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Speaker 6: Dev stamps Mac Jones. And he's also a guy that

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Speaker 6: is entrenched in that organization. So he's not going to

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Speaker 6: come out and say yeah, Max's not the guy. He's

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Speaker 6: going to always come out and support Whoever if they

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Speaker 6: put Trace McSorley and say, hey, he's our number one guy. Hey,

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Speaker 6: how was that training camp practice? And Trace looked really good?

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Speaker 1: Authentication just like that, that's what they're not gonna We

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Speaker 6: Does Mac have it? Is he good enough? And you

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Speaker 1: I mean, like god, Matt understands and everything. I don't

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Speaker 1: know how much conviction was behind it. I don't know

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Speaker 1: my answer to the question. And Mac Jones needs to

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Speaker 1: win a playoff game? What are we doing here? Like,

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Speaker 1: you're a New England Patriot, You're the quarterback the last

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Speaker 1: Patriots playoff win Jason was playing in Like think about that.

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Speaker 1: So Jason's sitting here in his plaid shirting had eggs

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Speaker 1: the Patriots the last time they won a playoff game.

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Speaker 1: The Patriots so the standard of this generation. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: you should win a playoff game. I don't care that

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Speaker 1: the AFC is so hard and oh they have too

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Speaker 1: many good quarterbacks. You were a first round pick from

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Speaker 1: Alabama in your third year under the greatest coach in

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Speaker 1: team sports history, and we're worried about I don't know,

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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence and Josh what are we doing? When did

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Speaker 1: we could become apologists for Mac Jones and the Patriots

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Speaker 1: our entire adult lives. They've been the standard in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: and now we're saying, you know, maybe if they can

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Speaker 1: squeak into the wild card, no, win a playoff game

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Speaker 1: this year, and if he can't get them there, move

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Speaker 6: He's the first round pick.

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Speaker 1: Teams move on first round pick quarterbacks all the time.

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Speaker 1: The Jets do it every twenty minutes. Like you've made

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Speaker 1: a lot of teams move on from first round pick quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: You're the Patriots, you know. I'm just reminded of the

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Speaker 1: ninety eight ninety.

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Speaker 6: Nine Chicago Bulls.

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Speaker 1: All right, that is the team after the last dance

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Speaker 1: leaves Pip and leave everybody. And I remember, I believe

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Speaker 1: it was Brent Barry who shows up on the team

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Speaker 1: that year and he's like, you know, it's like the

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Speaker 1: confetti's on the ground and all the champagne bottles are there,

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Speaker 1: and he kind of just missed it and the team

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Speaker 1: was terrible and it's hard to come after that.

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Speaker 5: The differences for the Patriots.

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Speaker 1: Phil Jackson stayed the text winner is there and he's

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Speaker 1: got the.

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Speaker 6: Holes run the triangle.

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Speaker 5: Yes, they got it, So why don't they have any wins?

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Speaker 6: Why can't they get this done?

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Speaker 1: I think even if they show up in the playoffs

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Speaker 1: this year and like, oh my god, the Pat's in

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Speaker 1: the playoffs and they lose thirty eight to thirteen's Jacksonville

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Speaker 5: Here we in a playoff game. Win, I don't even

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Speaker 5: know the playoff game. They're not finishing in last in

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Speaker 6: East, then get out of here. Then it's broken.

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Speaker 1: Then the coach needs to rethink some things, including his

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Speaker 1: own future, and the quarterback's not working. Year three, Hey,

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Speaker 1: Alabama first round pick, this is the year. No more excuses,

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Speaker 5: I've been on a deep like reading everything out of

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Speaker 5: the locals in New England, speaking to Patriots fan friends

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Speaker 5: of mine and what they think, and it's amazing what

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Speaker 5: the Patriot fan is coming out here. Already there's buzz

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Speaker 5: around Malik Cunningham, who is an unrestifted guy at a

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Speaker 5: Louisville quarters. He's turned heads, He's turned heads at camp

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Speaker 5: and you know, it's like, I feel like the Patriot

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Speaker 5: with my friend Jared, who is one last, and he

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Speaker 5: was saying it similar to He's like, because we've been

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Speaker 5: raised on hey Bledsoe's the guy. But then here comes Brady.

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Speaker 5: There's always this thought of all right, well Brady's the guy.

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Speaker 5: But when he's out, Jimmy g is actually great.

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Speaker 1: Is out.

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Speaker 5: All MAT's gotta do is to me, slam that phone

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Speaker 5: down and be like, I'm out of than Bailey's happy.

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Speaker 6: I'm out of than Malik Cunningham.

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Speaker 5: I'm the guy here and just worry about that. Like

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Speaker 5: you look at Bailey's appy last year standing ovation on

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Speaker 5: a Monday night game when he goes in against the

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Speaker 5: Raider or the Bears Standing Ovation Zappy still there. To me,

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Speaker 5: it's like, I know, Mac Jones might be number one

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Speaker 5: on the depth chart, and Kyle, you're right, he was

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Speaker 5: first round pick, so he's gonna get the benefit of doubt.

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Speaker 5: But this is not a slam dunk. And the Patriot

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Speaker 5: am sure of that, but the Patriot fan base has

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Speaker 5: a history of you know what, the guy behind him, he's.

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Speaker 8: Usually worked out, okay, like Brady, like Blitzo was the

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Speaker 8: highest paid player in all the football goes down and

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Speaker 8: Brady comes in and is Persett was a third round.

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Speaker 5: It's usually the exception to the rule for the Patriots.

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Speaker 6: It's like it actually is the rule.

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Speaker 5: Like to me, it's it's not a slam dunk that

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Speaker 5: Wait, someone is humming and someone's on the way, and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, the fans, don't you think.

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Speaker 2: We're also raised on the thinking that Bill Belichick makes

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Speaker 2: And so if this mac Jones experience, it's almost the

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Speaker 2: I come to think, who is the best wide receiver

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Speaker 3: So Patriots, what are you doing? Where is your.

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Speaker 2: Investment going offensively? We talked yesterday about the Giants and

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Speaker 3: Who is gonna who can be the.

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Speaker 3: Mac Jones could be really good.

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Speaker 2: Is a really good Mac Jones gonna beat Tua Rogers

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Speaker 2: And there's nothing besides his rookie season that's shown me that,

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Speaker 2: oh my gosh, he really elevates his game, even when

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Speaker 2: because he was thrown to DeVante Smith, he was thrown

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Speaker 3: Where did he have to be every time the guy?

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Speaker 2: Because we don't know what that looks like or what

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Speaker 6: You bring up a great point because we're talking about

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Speaker 6: Mac and like you're saying, hey, this is Patriots, like

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Speaker 6: Kendrick Bourne, Taekwon Thor and all of those guys, Juju Smith, Schuster.

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Speaker 6: But we go around the table, sorw who's the number

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Speaker 5: When DeAndre Hopkins is in the building. Should you almost

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Speaker 5: add of like a even if it seems like financially,

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Speaker 5: It shouldn't make sense if you're the Patriots in that regard,

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Speaker 5: if you talking about give me what I need to say.

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Speaker 5: All right, Look, he might not be what he was,

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Speaker 5: and you know he's expensive, but DeAndre Hopkins at least

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Speaker 6: Or from the outside looking in? Of course we say that.

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Speaker 6: And then you think about from within that building, think

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Speaker 1: It was a different deal.

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Speaker 3: Lady had it to make guys better? Does mac Jones

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Speaker 6: One of the blueprint? Right right?

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Speaker 3: I just who knows who? Again? Who the margins?

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Speaker 5: That seems like the guess because there's only going to

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Speaker 3: Means Daniel Jones last season justin Herbert doesn't.

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Speaker 6: Want a playoff games.

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Speaker 1: Patriot's logo in his hell, now there's six banners. I mean,

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Speaker 1: are we gonna keep apologizing for the last year was

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Speaker 1: hard with the coordinators and but no like you hat

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Speaker 2: Do you feel like Kyle just Mikole Hardman, Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 7: I realized my comments yesterday took on a different line

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Speaker 6: I'll own that.

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Speaker 7: At the end of the day, we know that we're

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Speaker 7: when we're uncomfortable. And I think what's happened is for

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Speaker 7: There's been a lot of change and the entire way

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Speaker 7: of doing things has changed. On the offensive side. Change

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Speaker 7: is hard, and I've always encouraged our players to have

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Speaker 6: I mean that is.

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Speaker 5: I'd say it's unprecedent, but I don't know the league.

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Speaker 5: There's something new every day. This is Ron speaks out.

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Speaker 6: Did I jump in here?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: I'm uncomfortable watching that.

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Speaker 1: Oh I love Ron, I really do. It was a

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Speaker 1: Very strange, and we're only in training camp. It was

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Speaker 1: I hope the season works out for Ron, but that

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Speaker 5: To give some context to the viewers who might not

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Speaker 5: But the players need to know that not only their

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Speaker 5: toughest critic, I'm also with their biggest fans. Then yesterday

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Speaker 5: Ron came out and said, I actually didn't mean to

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Speaker 5: the statement. We know we out old school coaching style,

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Speaker 5: which clearly is what Eric Banemy uses in his day

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Speaker 6: I'm in old school coaching. Old school was you're having

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Speaker 6: These guys are added the building by like seven pm.

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Speaker 6: I can respect that and we can move forward. I

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Speaker 6: think it's when you have a coach that's up and down.

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Speaker 6: But I believe this style of coach it can still work.

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Speaker 6: And I'm basing off the fact that Eric Binemy was

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Speaker 1: I was watching a clip of last year's Hard Knocks

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Speaker 1: but we do to get you ready. And Dan Campbell

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Speaker 1: that like you cannot you can't condone that.

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Speaker 6: I think I don't. I don't think it can.

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Speaker 1: Because it's not just that, it's also like I don't

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 3: Think it is great.

436
00:18:42,548 --> 00:18:45,668
Speaker 2: An old school style of coaching still works.

437
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Speaker 1: Reading your thing like.

438
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Speaker 3: You like it, you have to win and that I'm

439
00:18:50,468 --> 00:18:50,988
Speaker 3: not mocking.

440
00:18:51,068 --> 00:18:55,308
Speaker 2: But that was such an unbelievable in the statement of

441
00:18:55,628 --> 00:18:57,868
Speaker 2: I don't think he believed what he was saying, and

442
00:18:57,908 --> 00:18:59,988
Speaker 2: so he had to read it because I think what

443
00:19:00,068 --> 00:19:02,508
Speaker 2: was authentic to him was when he answered the question

444
00:19:02,548 --> 00:19:05,348
Speaker 2: in the first place, which was, hey, we've heard the

445
00:19:05,388 --> 00:19:07,988
Speaker 2: reporter asked him, we've heard that Eric.

446
00:19:08,028 --> 00:19:10,108
Speaker 3: Enemy is really hard on these players, he's tough.

447
00:19:10,268 --> 00:19:13,388
Speaker 2: And then Ron gave an authentic answer to Ron, which is,

448
00:19:13,748 --> 00:19:15,708
Speaker 2: you know, like what, I like his style.

449
00:19:15,868 --> 00:19:17,788
Speaker 3: I hired him, but it's going to take some getting

450
00:19:17,868 --> 00:19:19,668
Speaker 3: used to. That's what he thought.

451
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Speaker 2: And now the backlash of it, Ron has to read

452
00:19:22,308 --> 00:19:25,748
Speaker 2: a prepared statement because it's not what he actually believes.

453
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Speaker 2: I think it's okay that he thought that way, it's

454
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Speaker 2: just he didn't realize the backlash because old school's coaching

455
00:19:31,228 --> 00:19:33,508
Speaker 2: styles work if everyone's on the same page, and that's

456
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Speaker 2: not Ron Rivera. So I guess winning is going to

457
00:19:36,268 --> 00:19:38,748
Speaker 2: be the thing that fixes all problems. But if this

458
00:19:39,028 --> 00:19:41,748
Speaker 2: whole discourse continues between these two coaches, I don't see

459
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Speaker 2: how the team chemistry can really build in the building.

460
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Speaker 5: Yeah, you play with so many coaches. Give us an

461
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Speaker 5: example of an old school coach and a new school coach.

462
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Speaker 6: Old school coach. I was in Cleveland. We had Greg Williams.

463
00:19:51,988 --> 00:19:54,388
Speaker 6: Old school. We wouldn't leave that meeting room until ten

464
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Speaker 6: thirty at night. The CBA doesn't even allow that to

465
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Speaker 6: happen anymore. So I think you can still have an

466
00:20:00,228 --> 00:20:03,228
Speaker 6: old school style, but there's a lot of rules and

467
00:20:03,268 --> 00:20:06,028
Speaker 6: stipulations that to the point of your making the work

468
00:20:06,068 --> 00:20:08,188
Speaker 6: and all this that and the third it's protected. I'm

469
00:20:08,188 --> 00:20:09,748
Speaker 6: not saying that's a bad thing. I think the game

470
00:20:09,828 --> 00:20:12,348
Speaker 6: is still moving forward. But that's why I believe it

471
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Speaker 6: can still last. And I don't really can't say I've

472
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Speaker 6: had any new school coaches. I had Dad, and I

473
00:20:18,428 --> 00:20:20,948
Speaker 6: had Bill Belichick. I had not exactly a news not

474
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Speaker 6: at all. Brian Flores who company just didn't.

475
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Speaker 2: Have that at all, Like if you had played for

476
00:20:27,068 --> 00:20:28,988
Speaker 2: Mike McDaniel and State to Miami, you probably would have

477
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Speaker 2: been like, what is this.

478
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Speaker 6: It's a totally different vibe, and I think both still work.

479
00:20:33,228 --> 00:20:35,908
Speaker 6: But Andy Reid just won the Super Bowl. I wouldn't

480
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Speaker 6: consider him a new school coach.

481
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Speaker 5: No, but he and Pete Carroll have sort of adapted

482
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Speaker 5: a lot.

483
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Speaker 6: Of the new school things.

484
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Speaker 3: I think definitely.

485
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Speaker 5: Conversation speaking of coaching styles, I don't know if he's

486
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Speaker 5: old school or new school. I'm gonna say new school.

487
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Speaker 5: Robert Salah was on full display Tuesday night during the

488
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Speaker 5: premiere of Hard Knocks. For those who missed it, he

489
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Speaker 5: put the Jets hype this summer into context with this opening.

490
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Speaker 9: Schion, did you know that the only bird, the only

491
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Speaker 9: burden world that will attack an eagle is a crow.

492
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Speaker 9: It's a crow that's the only bird that will actually

493
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Speaker 9: have the work to attack an eagle. It will perch

494
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Speaker 9: on the eagles back and peck at its neck. So

495
00:21:18,988 --> 00:21:22,068
Speaker 9: rather than fight back and tearing a crow to pieces

496
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Speaker 9: like it can, the egle spreads its wings and it

497
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Speaker 9: soars as high as it possibly can. It keeps going

498
00:21:28,868 --> 00:21:30,948
Speaker 9: and going and going as high as it can, and

499
00:21:30,988 --> 00:21:33,548
Speaker 9: the higher the egle flies, the harder it is for

500
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Speaker 9: the crow to breathe. Eventually, the crow suffocates, falls back

501
00:21:37,708 --> 00:21:41,628
Speaker 9: down the earth and dies. That's what happens, guys. We

502
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Speaker 9: got a great deal of hyperhondos. We do all kinds

503
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Speaker 9: of expectations, and with great expectations, we know that there's

504
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Speaker 9: going to be a whole lot of people, a whole

505
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Speaker 9: lot of crows, expecting us to fall on our faces.

506
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Speaker 5: Good speech, Rogers is okay, and then pressed your game.

507
00:22:04,428 --> 00:22:12,748
Speaker 5: If you missed episode one, you can absolutely stream it

508
00:22:12,868 --> 00:22:14,268
Speaker 5: Hard Knocks in the New York Jets right now in

509
00:22:14,388 --> 00:22:14,828
Speaker 5: HBO Max.

510
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Speaker 6: It broke records.

511
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Speaker 5: It's it had a huge uptake from last year with

512
00:22:18,228 --> 00:22:21,108
Speaker 5: the Lions. It's very popular, so go watch it. We're

513
00:22:21,148 --> 00:22:24,388
Speaker 5: fans of NFL films, but are we fans of the

514
00:22:24,588 --> 00:22:29,308
Speaker 5: Jets getting this much attention? Here's the statement, Hard Knocks,

515
00:22:29,628 --> 00:22:32,468
Speaker 5: even just the first episode, puts an even bigger target

516
00:22:32,788 --> 00:22:36,188
Speaker 5: on the New York Jets. Back Are we in or

517
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Speaker 5: are we out?

518
00:22:36,708 --> 00:22:36,988
Speaker 6: Kyle?

519
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Speaker 1: You know that thing that people are taking pictures from

520
00:22:39,228 --> 00:22:41,348
Speaker 1: from the planes when they land in Las Vegas. There's

521
00:22:41,428 --> 00:22:46,548
Speaker 1: this like massive, like what is that eyeball? That's the

522
00:22:46,668 --> 00:22:48,348
Speaker 1: target on the back of the Jets right.

523
00:22:48,308 --> 00:22:51,588
Speaker 6: Now, here's the thing. The players, Jason, back me up here.

524
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Speaker 1: The players watch Hard Knocks. Like when when Rogers found

525
00:22:55,428 --> 00:22:57,508
Speaker 1: out about Hard Knocks, his first reaction was something about

526
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Speaker 1: the narrator of the show, like.

527
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Speaker 6: He's deep in it.

528
00:23:00,108 --> 00:23:03,588
Speaker 1: He watches it. You know, they're watching this Jets season.

529
00:23:03,628 --> 00:23:06,468
Speaker 1: They're seeing all about the dynamics and the players and everything.

530
00:23:06,868 --> 00:23:07,508
Speaker 6: And here's the thing.

531
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Speaker 1: This is something other shows won't give you. We did

532
00:23:10,068 --> 00:23:13,508
Speaker 1: the research on the success or lack thereof for every

533
00:23:13,628 --> 00:23:18,068
Speaker 1: Hard Knocks team in show history, eighteen teams and Hard Knocks,

534
00:23:18,428 --> 00:23:20,348
Speaker 1: there are one hundred and forty three, one hundred and

535
00:23:20,428 --> 00:23:25,788
Speaker 1: forty six and one even sub five seven made playoffs.

536
00:23:26,508 --> 00:23:29,788
Speaker 1: No Hard Knocks team has ever hosted a playoff game. Really,

537
00:23:29,868 --> 00:23:33,028
Speaker 1: eighteen teams, seventeen prior seasons.

538
00:23:33,068 --> 00:23:34,188
Speaker 6: One season had two teams.

539
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Speaker 1: They have never played a home playoff game, never even

540
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Speaker 1: in the wild Cindever, the teams don't work out. Now,

541
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Speaker 1: these are teams are picked because of their potential, maybe

542
00:23:42,548 --> 00:23:44,828
Speaker 1: a new coach, maybe a new player. You would think

543
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Speaker 1: you might hit a little higher on this given the

544
00:23:47,108 --> 00:23:49,948
Speaker 1: TV choices they're making and choosing them they don't.

545
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Speaker 6: It's starting.

546
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Speaker 1: This is not two or three seasons, guys, we have

547
00:23:52,748 --> 00:23:56,148
Speaker 1: eighteen seasons of empirical data. I think that there is

548
00:23:56,188 --> 00:23:58,468
Speaker 1: a bigger target. I think the players do watch. I

549
00:23:58,548 --> 00:24:01,148
Speaker 1: think they do up their game for the Hard Knocks team. Absolutely.

550
00:24:01,148 --> 00:24:01,988
Speaker 1: I think it's a bigger target.

551
00:24:02,708 --> 00:24:05,548
Speaker 3: I'm out on the the target got bigger.

552
00:24:05,668 --> 00:24:08,788
Speaker 2: I think the target was already massive in the amount

553
00:24:08,908 --> 00:24:11,588
Speaker 2: of which everybody has been talking about this team and

554
00:24:11,628 --> 00:24:14,148
Speaker 2: the nature of it. If anything, I just think it

555
00:24:14,268 --> 00:24:17,108
Speaker 2: maybe clarifies the mystery. We still would have cared about

556
00:24:17,108 --> 00:24:19,068
Speaker 2: the Jets, we still would have had the expectation there.

557
00:24:19,308 --> 00:24:21,348
Speaker 2: But being able to watch Sala give a speech like

558
00:24:21,388 --> 00:24:24,028
Speaker 2: that and watch see how Rogers relates with Hackett and

559
00:24:24,108 --> 00:24:25,628
Speaker 2: how he's working with young guys, and how much the

560
00:24:25,668 --> 00:24:29,708
Speaker 2: team loves each other. It just helps us as fans

561
00:24:29,788 --> 00:24:32,188
Speaker 2: of the team and the goal at hand, just have

562
00:24:32,308 --> 00:24:34,948
Speaker 2: clarity on like what they're after and how the messaging is.

563
00:24:35,028 --> 00:24:37,148
Speaker 2: So then if it goes awry, we can refer back

564
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Speaker 2: to Hard Knocks. If it goes great, we can refer

565
00:24:38,908 --> 00:24:41,948
Speaker 2: back to Hard Knocks. Just clarity. The target hasn't changed.

566
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Speaker 6: What I loved about that clip of sala Is. I've

567
00:24:44,668 --> 00:24:46,348
Speaker 6: been at that point where you're sitting in a meeting

568
00:24:46,428 --> 00:24:47,668
Speaker 6: room and a head coach I have to stand in

569
00:24:47,708 --> 00:24:50,148
Speaker 6: front of you every single day, and he starts out

570
00:24:50,188 --> 00:24:52,268
Speaker 6: and he's saying an eagle or croll and you're tapping

571
00:24:52,268 --> 00:24:57,028
Speaker 6: your neighbor like and then he started and then that's

572
00:24:57,068 --> 00:24:59,268
Speaker 6: when you see him pan back and Rogers and it's

573
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Speaker 6: just like, oh, okay, coach, I see you read a

574
00:25:01,628 --> 00:25:04,148
Speaker 6: good book this all season. So as far as the

575
00:25:04,708 --> 00:25:07,148
Speaker 6: I'm looking at it, I'm out as well. Because I

576
00:25:07,228 --> 00:25:10,708
Speaker 6: think these teams are sometimes selected, and when the Browns

577
00:25:10,748 --> 00:25:12,588
Speaker 6: were on and they hadn't won many games, I don't

578
00:25:12,588 --> 00:25:15,508
Speaker 6: think anyone was more eager to play the Browns. The

579
00:25:15,628 --> 00:25:18,388
Speaker 6: Jets specifically, I think the target is based off the

580
00:25:18,468 --> 00:25:20,428
Speaker 6: fact that they brought in one of the best quarterbacks

581
00:25:20,428 --> 00:25:22,788
Speaker 6: to ever play in the NFL. So now when you're

582
00:25:22,788 --> 00:25:25,028
Speaker 6: playing against the Jets, it's not Zach Wilson, Aaron Rodgers

583
00:25:25,108 --> 00:25:27,068
Speaker 6: are behind there. I better bring my a game or

584
00:25:27,148 --> 00:25:27,828
Speaker 6: they're gonna beat me.

585
00:25:27,908 --> 00:25:30,188
Speaker 1: So I think the Sauce and Garrett Wilson one on one,

586
00:25:30,308 --> 00:25:32,508
Speaker 1: like these two guys are Dion and Jerry Rice, all

587
00:25:32,508 --> 00:25:35,828
Speaker 1: of a sudden hall of fame. All this like when

588
00:25:35,828 --> 00:25:37,748
Speaker 1: you're going up against Sauce and you're like, I watched

589
00:25:37,828 --> 00:25:39,308
Speaker 1: you over the summer. I got your hall of fame

590
00:25:39,388 --> 00:25:41,028
Speaker 1: right here, buddy, I'm about to break this off on you.

591
00:25:41,708 --> 00:25:44,188
Speaker 6: All he was all pro last year. You're gonna you're

592
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Speaker 6: gonna want to play against him, like you want to

593
00:25:45,788 --> 00:25:47,588
Speaker 6: go against the HBO show.

594
00:25:47,628 --> 00:25:49,348
Speaker 1: He's in the same channel as Tony Soprano and.

595
00:25:51,988 --> 00:25:55,588
Speaker 5: Bryan's Ben Ben and dreamond. I thought the New York

596
00:25:55,668 --> 00:25:58,068
Speaker 5: City take was interesting. So in the New York like

597
00:25:58,388 --> 00:26:01,468
Speaker 5: Salacata and Sean Marash, some of the wfa N hosts

598
00:26:02,108 --> 00:26:04,588
Speaker 5: that a local sports but they didn't like it. They

599
00:26:04,628 --> 00:26:06,748
Speaker 5: were like, it looks like it was a Rogers love fest,

600
00:26:06,908 --> 00:26:09,668
Speaker 5: and Solad doesn't look like he's the guy because Rogers

601
00:26:09,748 --> 00:26:12,108
Speaker 5: is the bigger voice in that room, which is how

602
00:26:12,188 --> 00:26:13,828
Speaker 5: it was cut. And there's a million ways you can

603
00:26:13,868 --> 00:26:15,748
Speaker 5: look at it, but like, even having that out there,

604
00:26:15,828 --> 00:26:18,428
Speaker 5: that's one of the reasons maybe the Jets were kind

605
00:26:18,468 --> 00:26:20,268
Speaker 5: of reluctant to do it. Now they're going to be

606
00:26:20,308 --> 00:26:22,388
Speaker 5: picked apart by the local media and they're going to

607
00:26:22,548 --> 00:26:26,068
Speaker 5: use those sixty minutes of television as an example of

608
00:26:26,108 --> 00:26:28,148
Speaker 5: the whole summer as a whole. I don't know.

609
00:26:28,188 --> 00:26:28,748
Speaker 6: It's a good point.

610
00:26:28,788 --> 00:26:30,708
Speaker 2: It's so surprising because, like in general, the New York

611
00:26:30,788 --> 00:26:33,388
Speaker 2: radio media specifically, they're such a warm and fuzzy that

612
00:26:33,548 --> 00:26:34,868
Speaker 2: like they constantly.

613
00:26:35,908 --> 00:26:39,068
Speaker 3: They're like, oh, we love the access, right, I heard it.

614
00:26:39,108 --> 00:26:39,588
Speaker 1: They didn't do it.

615
00:26:39,828 --> 00:26:42,068
Speaker 6: What was your favorite part of Hard Knocks? They didn't

616
00:26:42,068 --> 00:26:42,628
Speaker 6: do that segment.

617
00:26:42,668 --> 00:26:43,628
Speaker 5: They didn't do that segment.

618
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Speaker 6: Jets built Week.

619
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Speaker 2: One, Viking Seahawks squaring off in Seattle. That's all live

620
00:26:56,068 --> 00:26:58,428
Speaker 2: tight on NFL Network. The Viking side of things. That's

621
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Speaker 2: the NFC North conversation with the Lions.

622
00:27:00,748 --> 00:27:01,828
Speaker 3: So let's go there first.

623
00:27:01,908 --> 00:27:06,868
Speaker 2: Vikings coming off a thirteen win season, an NFC North title,

624
00:27:06,948 --> 00:27:10,188
Speaker 2: and yet it seems like their division rival, the Lions,

625
00:27:10,348 --> 00:27:12,748
Speaker 2: are getting all of the offseason love, a lot of

626
00:27:12,788 --> 00:27:16,228
Speaker 2: which because they finished so well, including that showcase slot

627
00:27:16,308 --> 00:27:19,468
Speaker 2: in the Thursday night Week one game Oh Boy against

628
00:27:19,468 --> 00:27:22,468
Speaker 2: the Kansas City Chiefs. Viking head coach Kevin O'Connell was

629
00:27:22,508 --> 00:27:25,588
Speaker 2: asked earlier this week if he's hearing all the Lions

630
00:27:25,708 --> 00:27:28,868
Speaker 2: height and he plans on using it as motivation for

631
00:27:29,028 --> 00:27:29,588
Speaker 2: his team.

632
00:27:30,708 --> 00:27:31,588
Speaker 4: And love Detroit.

633
00:27:32,788 --> 00:27:33,188
Speaker 1: I get it.

634
00:27:33,308 --> 00:27:36,908
Speaker 4: They finished the season really, really well, really strong. Got

635
00:27:36,948 --> 00:27:39,588
Speaker 4: a lot of respect for what Dan and his staff

636
00:27:39,708 --> 00:27:41,828
Speaker 4: is doing there with that football team.

637
00:27:41,908 --> 00:27:44,548
Speaker 6: But ultimately, we know we were able to win the

638
00:27:44,628 --> 00:27:45,388
Speaker 6: division a year ago.

639
00:27:45,468 --> 00:27:47,388
Speaker 4: It was a goal of our team to do that,

640
00:27:47,508 --> 00:27:50,628
Speaker 4: and we accomplish that, But that means absolutely nothing for

641
00:27:50,788 --> 00:27:53,788
Speaker 4: this year. The outside narratives, you know, they are what

642
00:27:53,908 --> 00:27:55,948
Speaker 4: they are, and I have respect for that, But at

643
00:27:55,948 --> 00:27:58,468
Speaker 4: the same time, I can pick and choose when I

644
00:27:58,508 --> 00:28:01,308
Speaker 4: feel like we need to use that versus we got

645
00:28:01,748 --> 00:28:04,028
Speaker 4: a group that I would imagine doesn't need to hear

646
00:28:04,108 --> 00:28:05,668
Speaker 4: that for me to know that's going on.

647
00:28:08,508 --> 00:28:09,588
Speaker 3: Vikings can't catch a break.

648
00:28:09,628 --> 00:28:12,348
Speaker 2: For years, it was Packers, Packers, Packers, Packers, thirteen wins

649
00:28:12,428 --> 00:28:14,588
Speaker 2: last year, or now it's Lions, Lions, Lions, Lions.

650
00:28:14,828 --> 00:28:17,508
Speaker 3: They hear it in Minnesota. They are the division champs.

651
00:28:17,908 --> 00:28:20,548
Speaker 2: But is it crazy right now to still consider the

652
00:28:20,668 --> 00:28:24,068
Speaker 2: Lions as the favorite in the NFC North over the Vikings.

653
00:28:24,108 --> 00:28:26,468
Speaker 5: Peter, I think it's a lot to say for a

654
00:28:26,548 --> 00:28:29,868
Speaker 5: team that hasn't been to the Super Bowl ever and

655
00:28:29,948 --> 00:28:32,068
Speaker 5: a team that hasn't had much success in recent years

656
00:28:32,108 --> 00:28:35,228
Speaker 5: and missed the playoffs completely last year. And if I'm

657
00:28:35,308 --> 00:28:38,028
Speaker 5: Kevin O'Connell, I'm leaning into this every single day at practice.

658
00:28:38,028 --> 00:28:40,028
Speaker 5: If I'm Matt Lafleura, I'm leaning into this every single

659
00:28:40,108 --> 00:28:42,388
Speaker 5: day in practice. Those are two teams that have had

660
00:28:42,428 --> 00:28:44,908
Speaker 5: a lot of success over the last few years, especially

661
00:28:44,948 --> 00:28:47,348
Speaker 5: the Vikings. Now what's my hold up with the Lions.

662
00:28:47,388 --> 00:28:48,668
Speaker 5: I think the Lions are great. I look at their

663
00:28:48,748 --> 00:28:50,868
Speaker 5: rookie class and I'm like giggling over waiting to see

664
00:28:50,908 --> 00:28:54,508
Speaker 5: Jamior Gibbs and Sam Laporta and Jack Campbell and they

665
00:28:54,548 --> 00:28:57,508
Speaker 5: are loaded everywhere. And if you watch the Amon Ra

666
00:28:57,828 --> 00:28:59,908
Speaker 5: Saint Brown summer, it's been like this guy can do

667
00:28:59,988 --> 00:29:04,348
Speaker 5: no wrong. Are Dan Campbell and those guys going to

668
00:29:04,588 --> 00:29:08,708
Speaker 5: outwit Kevin O'Connell and his guys or Matt Lafleur and

669
00:29:08,788 --> 00:29:10,788
Speaker 5: his guys in a big game in December? That's what

670
00:29:10,868 --> 00:29:13,268
Speaker 5: I'm wondering about. It's an experienced thing. And I know

671
00:29:13,348 --> 00:29:16,148
Speaker 5: you're saying, well, O'Connor has no Dan Campbell's coached in

672
00:29:16,188 --> 00:29:19,828
Speaker 5: bigger games with the Saints, and I know, but O'Connell

673
00:29:19,828 --> 00:29:22,308
Speaker 5: won a lot of close games last year. That team

674
00:29:22,428 --> 00:29:24,468
Speaker 5: won a lot of one score games and was pressing

675
00:29:24,508 --> 00:29:27,228
Speaker 5: all the right buttons and Lafleur has won divisions, and

676
00:29:27,268 --> 00:29:29,268
Speaker 5: I know it was with Rogers, but I think it's

677
00:29:29,268 --> 00:29:31,268
Speaker 5: going to be a Dan Campbell thing. And to me,

678
00:29:32,108 --> 00:29:34,028
Speaker 5: I have to think that the Vikings are the favorites

679
00:29:34,028 --> 00:29:36,188
Speaker 5: in the NFC North. They have to be because they

680
00:29:36,228 --> 00:29:39,348
Speaker 5: won the division. They added talent too, and I think

681
00:29:39,428 --> 00:29:42,188
Speaker 5: that should feel the Lions. That'soul again. But for everyone

682
00:29:42,308 --> 00:29:44,988
Speaker 5: just crowning the Lions this summer and saying, well, look

683
00:29:45,188 --> 00:29:46,908
Speaker 5: they added they got David Montgomery, we can go through

684
00:29:46,908 --> 00:29:49,188
Speaker 5: the roster and all this stuff, I would just say

685
00:29:50,788 --> 00:29:54,028
Speaker 5: that summer hype means nothing. Yes, they finished the season

686
00:29:54,108 --> 00:29:55,668
Speaker 5: great and Neysy did all that. The Vikings are the

687
00:29:55,788 --> 00:29:57,988
Speaker 5: defending champions of the division and they bring us about

688
00:29:57,988 --> 00:29:58,868
Speaker 5: everybody back as well.

689
00:29:59,108 --> 00:30:01,068
Speaker 1: Peter, he's a very loaded phrase there. I'm going to

690
00:30:01,148 --> 00:30:05,028
Speaker 1: double back on. You asked, can Dan Campbell out? Yeah,

691
00:30:05,228 --> 00:30:07,428
Speaker 1: O'Connell and Lafleur, what do you mean by that?

692
00:30:07,908 --> 00:30:10,788
Speaker 5: O'Connell and Laflora are offensive head coaches who have been

693
00:30:10,868 --> 00:30:12,828
Speaker 5: down the roads and they've got all these things in

694
00:30:12,828 --> 00:30:15,388
Speaker 5: their head. That Dan Campbell is a head coach. He's

695
00:30:15,388 --> 00:30:17,228
Speaker 5: a CEO type and of course he was a tight

696
00:30:17,348 --> 00:30:18,788
Speaker 5: end in the NFL, and he's a tight ends coach.

697
00:30:18,788 --> 00:30:21,588
Speaker 5: All think, the question for me isn't about who's a

698
00:30:21,628 --> 00:30:23,428
Speaker 5: smarter coach and who's going to motivate Who's gonna be

699
00:30:23,428 --> 00:30:24,468
Speaker 5: able to pull the x's and o's.

700
00:30:25,708 --> 00:30:26,868
Speaker 6: That's gonna be the end of the day.

701
00:30:26,908 --> 00:30:29,148
Speaker 5: It's not going to be golf Facilli verse Jordan Love.

702
00:30:29,188 --> 00:30:30,908
Speaker 5: It's gonna be who can game plan against each other?

703
00:30:30,948 --> 00:30:33,068
Speaker 5: And I want to see Campbell game plan and outwit

704
00:30:33,188 --> 00:30:33,788
Speaker 5: those two guys.

705
00:30:33,828 --> 00:30:36,188
Speaker 1: A lot of the laflor O'Connell types these days are

706
00:30:36,228 --> 00:30:38,948
Speaker 1: winning much more than the Dan Campbell beat the chess

707
00:30:39,068 --> 00:30:40,148
Speaker 1: like head against the locker thing.

708
00:30:40,388 --> 00:30:42,868
Speaker 2: Wasn't that the big dility retained Ben Johnson though as

709
00:30:43,068 --> 00:30:45,308
Speaker 2: luly witty play caller if you will.

710
00:30:45,388 --> 00:30:48,428
Speaker 1: Offensively, here's where I come out on this. It's not

711
00:30:48,548 --> 00:30:50,428
Speaker 1: crazy at all for the Lions to be the favorites

712
00:30:50,468 --> 00:30:54,348
Speaker 1: at all. And when the questions posed, my muscle memory

713
00:30:54,428 --> 00:30:56,828
Speaker 1: goes to this place of let me think about, when

714
00:30:56,948 --> 00:30:59,188
Speaker 1: was the last time the Lions won a playoff game?

715
00:30:59,548 --> 00:31:00,428
Speaker 6: Was a super Bowl?

716
00:31:00,508 --> 00:31:01,908
Speaker 1: And then I said, what the hell am I doing?

717
00:31:02,748 --> 00:31:06,188
Speaker 1: Who gives a damn when the last time they won

718
00:31:06,268 --> 00:31:08,188
Speaker 1: the North or were favored in the North.

719
00:31:09,268 --> 00:31:09,748
Speaker 3: I hate it.

720
00:31:09,908 --> 00:31:14,068
Speaker 1: I am so here for this resistance against holding teams

721
00:31:14,188 --> 00:31:17,628
Speaker 1: distant past, against their presence. None of those players were

722
00:31:17,668 --> 00:31:19,988
Speaker 1: there in the nineties. Dan Campbell wasn't there in the nineties.

723
00:31:20,388 --> 00:31:22,148
Speaker 1: This year, if the Lions get their thing going and

724
00:31:22,188 --> 00:31:24,708
Speaker 1: they're doing well, all due respect, I don't want to

725
00:31:24,748 --> 00:31:25,828
Speaker 1: hear about Barry Sanders.

726
00:31:25,988 --> 00:31:26,508
Speaker 6: I just don't.

727
00:31:26,708 --> 00:31:28,388
Speaker 1: He's one of my favorite players ever and he has

728
00:31:28,468 --> 00:31:30,148
Speaker 1: nothing to do with it. I don't want to see

729
00:31:30,228 --> 00:31:33,148
Speaker 1: video of Wayne Fonts. I don't want to see Herman Moore.

730
00:31:33,268 --> 00:31:36,788
Speaker 1: I love those guys. I want to see these guys see.

731
00:31:36,948 --> 00:31:40,628
Speaker 1: The Lions are like this old relative you have the Lions.

732
00:31:40,708 --> 00:31:44,428
Speaker 1: It's like uncle Lenny, and Lenny just can't get his

733
00:31:44,508 --> 00:31:46,828
Speaker 1: act together. Year after year Lenny and you see him

734
00:31:46,868 --> 00:31:48,548
Speaker 1: here or there, and you see him every year on

735
00:31:48,668 --> 00:31:51,788
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving and it's always like, oh, man, I hope Lenny's

736
00:31:51,788 --> 00:31:54,108
Speaker 1: all right. You know, he's been fired, or he's been dumped,

737
00:31:54,188 --> 00:31:55,868
Speaker 1: or he's been caught in some sort of sting, or

738
00:31:55,908 --> 00:32:00,028
Speaker 1: he's got legal problems and credit problems. Last year Lenny

739
00:32:00,148 --> 00:32:02,508
Speaker 1: showed up and he's got a suit on, and he

740
00:32:02,628 --> 00:32:05,988
Speaker 1: lost weight and he is a haircutting oh yeah, then

741
00:32:06,068 --> 00:32:09,148
Speaker 1: he's got a date and it's like, damn, Lenny, you

742
00:32:09,348 --> 00:32:10,468
Speaker 1: got your life together.

743
00:32:11,068 --> 00:32:11,228
Speaker 6: Now.

744
00:32:11,308 --> 00:32:13,868
Speaker 1: Do you sit down with Lenny and say, but you know,

745
00:32:13,948 --> 00:32:16,468
Speaker 1: it's been like twenty years since you've been cleaning sober

746
00:32:16,548 --> 00:32:18,828
Speaker 1: showing up here and since you've been coherent, or do

747
00:32:18,908 --> 00:32:22,388
Speaker 1: you say, never mind all that, Lenny, that's in the past,

748
00:32:22,508 --> 00:32:24,868
Speaker 1: and I respect what you're doing here and you have

749
00:32:24,948 --> 00:32:28,388
Speaker 1: a new direction and a new clarity. You're an idiot

750
00:32:28,468 --> 00:32:31,068
Speaker 1: and a jerk if you're harping on Lenny's past and

751
00:32:31,148 --> 00:32:33,428
Speaker 1: his demons and his skeletons is in his closet and

752
00:32:33,468 --> 00:32:35,268
Speaker 1: his good old days in high school when he was

753
00:32:35,348 --> 00:32:39,388
Speaker 1: Uncle Rico. Now he's got something going on. So, for

754
00:32:39,508 --> 00:32:42,108
Speaker 1: the love of God, can we please try to keep

755
00:32:42,148 --> 00:32:44,708
Speaker 1: the focus on the twenty twenty three Lions and if

756
00:32:44,748 --> 00:32:48,788
Speaker 1: they start winning, it's not necessary to say they haven't

757
00:32:48,828 --> 00:32:50,948
Speaker 1: had two wins in a rows since eighteen oh five

758
00:32:50,988 --> 00:32:53,908
Speaker 1: and whatever the hell it is. Just now, the current,

759
00:32:54,268 --> 00:32:57,708
Speaker 1: the positive, the future, that's what I want. So the

760
00:32:57,748 --> 00:33:00,788
Speaker 1: answer the question, it's not crazy at all. It's crazy

761
00:33:00,828 --> 00:33:03,308
Speaker 1: to say if the two thousand and forward Lions would

762
00:33:03,548 --> 00:33:05,748
Speaker 1: win the North, I don't care about the two thousand

763
00:33:05,748 --> 00:33:06,348
Speaker 1: and four Allions.

764
00:33:06,588 --> 00:33:07,268
Speaker 6: It's not crazy.

765
00:33:07,348 --> 00:33:08,908
Speaker 1: The twenty twenty three lines are going to win the

766
00:33:08,948 --> 00:33:10,508
Speaker 1: North and I think they'll be in the contention.

767
00:33:10,748 --> 00:33:12,148
Speaker 6: Lenny walks in, You're like, what's up?

768
00:33:12,908 --> 00:33:13,708
Speaker 3: Who's who is?

769
00:33:13,948 --> 00:33:14,628
Speaker 6: Look at Lenny.

770
00:33:14,748 --> 00:33:16,428
Speaker 3: I do want to know what kind of Lenny was

771
00:33:16,508 --> 00:33:16,788
Speaker 3: caught in?

772
00:33:17,028 --> 00:33:18,748
Speaker 6: He you do want to try to do a background

773
00:33:18,828 --> 00:33:22,068
Speaker 6: jack whoever Lenny has lit them? But I'm right with you.

774
00:33:23,388 --> 00:33:23,908
Speaker 3: I think.

775
00:33:25,948 --> 00:33:29,148
Speaker 6: Lenny has a date. That's a that's a huge deal exactly.

776
00:33:29,468 --> 00:33:31,428
Speaker 1: Usually Lenny shows up with an anklet and you know,

777
00:33:31,588 --> 00:33:33,748
Speaker 1: like after Thankskeeping dinner, he's like, do you want to

778
00:33:33,748 --> 00:33:35,188
Speaker 1: go for a walk for a while, And You're like, no.

779
00:33:35,308 --> 00:33:37,948
Speaker 6: Lenny, I think we're good. I'm good, Lenny safe. What

780
00:33:38,148 --> 00:33:39,308
Speaker 6: the shed yourself? Leddy?

781
00:33:39,348 --> 00:33:39,548
Speaker 4: Yeah?

782
00:33:39,548 --> 00:33:41,868
Speaker 6: A lot of going into the bathroom. It's like, and

783
00:33:41,948 --> 00:33:44,148
Speaker 6: when you when you talk about Lenny, it's the last

784
00:33:44,188 --> 00:33:45,908
Speaker 6: time I saw you. So I'm not worried about all

785
00:33:45,948 --> 00:33:47,868
Speaker 6: those years ago. This is the current and this is

786
00:33:47,908 --> 00:33:50,028
Speaker 6: the now. When you think about the Lions, and the

787
00:33:50,148 --> 00:33:51,828
Speaker 6: last time we saw the Lions out there on the

788
00:33:51,868 --> 00:33:54,948
Speaker 6: football field was a fourth down play. And they're in

789
00:33:55,148 --> 00:33:57,788
Speaker 6: Green Bay and they're playing against the Packers, and this

790
00:33:57,988 --> 00:34:00,548
Speaker 6: is the feeling you have. This was them winning their

791
00:34:00,708 --> 00:34:04,348
Speaker 6: last game, giving themselves a chance to get into the playoffs,

792
00:34:04,468 --> 00:34:07,588
Speaker 6: a young Lions team, and the feeling you get watching

793
00:34:07,708 --> 00:34:10,508
Speaker 6: this them celebrating, them enjoying it. This is how the

794
00:34:10,628 --> 00:34:13,148
Speaker 6: season ended. And there's the cliche you're only as good

795
00:34:13,148 --> 00:34:15,708
Speaker 6: as your last play. Lenny's only as good as when

796
00:34:15,708 --> 00:34:17,988
Speaker 6: he showed up that day, and you're fired up to

797
00:34:18,068 --> 00:34:21,748
Speaker 6: see unp for the Minnesota Vikings. This is the last

798
00:34:21,788 --> 00:34:24,308
Speaker 6: time we got a chance to see them, so Lenny

799
00:34:24,388 --> 00:34:26,908
Speaker 6: might have gotten his act together. But there's that cousin,

800
00:34:27,348 --> 00:34:29,348
Speaker 6: Ray Ray over there who comes in and Ray Ray

801
00:34:29,388 --> 00:34:31,468
Speaker 6: hasn't gotten his act together. And the feeling that Ray

802
00:34:31,548 --> 00:34:33,588
Speaker 6: Ray gives you when you see him is this same

803
00:34:33,708 --> 00:34:36,788
Speaker 6: feeling when like a Jamie Ernold watches this play in Minnesota.

804
00:34:36,868 --> 00:34:39,228
Speaker 6: Season's over and they're walking off the field and she

805
00:34:39,428 --> 00:34:42,108
Speaker 6: comes in fired up. That's what we last saw. So

806
00:34:42,188 --> 00:34:44,548
Speaker 6: it's okay to say, hey, I feel great about the

807
00:34:44,668 --> 00:34:47,268
Speaker 6: Lions this year because green Bay lost their quarterback and

808
00:34:47,468 --> 00:34:50,028
Speaker 6: Art Rodgers and the Bear's only won three games last year,

809
00:34:50,068 --> 00:34:52,348
Speaker 6: so it's like, no, I feel very confident in the Lions.

810
00:34:52,348 --> 00:34:54,148
Speaker 6: Will they do it. We'll find out. But if I'm

811
00:34:54,148 --> 00:34:56,548
Speaker 6: picking somebody, I feel great about picking them as the favorite.

812
00:34:57,868 --> 00:34:59,868
Speaker 3: Oh, the Minnesota Vikings.

813
00:34:59,948 --> 00:35:02,308
Speaker 2: I really try to approach this to your point about like,

814
00:35:02,428 --> 00:35:04,748
Speaker 2: what are we walking into this season going to go

815
00:35:04,788 --> 00:35:06,308
Speaker 2: with the lines? I want to walk into the season

816
00:35:06,388 --> 00:35:08,948
Speaker 2: with the Vikings, And I am still and I understand

817
00:35:08,988 --> 00:35:11,268
Speaker 2: the economics behind it, but I am still suck back

818
00:35:11,308 --> 00:35:14,188
Speaker 2: on the Vikings. Letting Dalvin Cook walk and going with

819
00:35:14,348 --> 00:35:17,028
Speaker 2: Alexander Madison is your guy coming out of the backfield,

820
00:35:17,068 --> 00:35:19,588
Speaker 2: letting Adam Thielen go, and having Jordan Addison be the

821
00:35:19,668 --> 00:35:22,628
Speaker 2: number two behind Justhin Jefferson. Are those the pieces? Is

822
00:35:23,108 --> 00:35:24,988
Speaker 2: having t J Hawkinson there as your tight end? Is

823
00:35:25,108 --> 00:35:27,748
Speaker 2: that what's going to make Kirk Cousins shine? Because if

824
00:35:27,828 --> 00:35:30,388
Speaker 2: you are going to be outwitted by an NFC North opponent,

825
00:35:30,508 --> 00:35:33,068
Speaker 2: like let's say throwing a third down conversion to Penney

826
00:35:33,108 --> 00:35:35,868
Speaker 2: Sewell in December for the Lions to beat you, did

827
00:35:35,948 --> 00:35:38,268
Speaker 2: you do enough for the subtractions that you.

828
00:35:38,348 --> 00:35:40,268
Speaker 3: Allowed happen in your building? Moving forward?

829
00:35:40,348 --> 00:35:42,188
Speaker 2: Thirteen wins was great, but what else were we talking

830
00:35:42,228 --> 00:35:44,548
Speaker 2: about last season? Thirteen wins with the Vikings? Were they

831
00:35:44,628 --> 00:35:46,748
Speaker 2: the easiest Was this the easiest season ever? Is this

832
00:35:46,868 --> 00:35:50,308
Speaker 2: the luckiest season ever? You gave up thirty three points

833
00:35:50,348 --> 00:35:52,308
Speaker 2: to a colts team in December? Yeah, you came back

834
00:35:52,308 --> 00:35:53,708
Speaker 2: in one, but how did you give up thirty three

835
00:35:53,748 --> 00:35:57,108
Speaker 2: in the year. I understand that, but that the personnel,

836
00:35:57,268 --> 00:36:00,308
Speaker 2: the coaching, that same coach had that happen to him

837
00:36:00,348 --> 00:36:04,348
Speaker 2: in December. It's fine, it's right offensive to go back

838
00:36:04,508 --> 00:36:05,068
Speaker 2: twenty years.

839
00:36:05,188 --> 00:36:08,708
Speaker 3: Sure, but if Lenny, if Lenny did something to.

840
00:36:09,468 --> 00:36:11,508
Speaker 2: Lenny, if Lenny took a twenty out of your wallet

841
00:36:11,588 --> 00:36:14,908
Speaker 2: six months ago, you're not just leaving your billfold out

842
00:36:14,948 --> 00:36:17,388
Speaker 2: to dry, like right next to him six months later.

843
00:36:17,468 --> 00:36:20,388
Speaker 2: I would still say there's some scar tissue there emotionally.

844
00:36:20,628 --> 00:36:21,348
Speaker 6: Last fine?

845
00:36:21,828 --> 00:36:24,188
Speaker 3: Last season? Fine? Yeah, So I just don't know for

846
00:36:24,268 --> 00:36:26,228
Speaker 3: what the Vikings, you know, what they have to fix

847
00:36:26,348 --> 00:36:29,468
Speaker 3: defensively as well? Did they do enough? Because everyone seemed

848
00:36:29,468 --> 00:36:32,468
Speaker 3: to get better in this division. Everyone did. It's a

849
00:36:32,508 --> 00:36:32,868
Speaker 3: tight one.

850
00:36:33,268 --> 00:36:33,588
Speaker 6: Sailing