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Speaker 1: Welcome one and all to the Hemmer Territory Podcast. My

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Speaker 1: name is Jean Coleman. Hope, wherever you are and wherever

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Speaker 1: you are listening, I hope to the high heavens your

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Speaker 1: night did not involve watching the Braves on Winter on

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Speaker 1: Thursday night. Can't thank you enough for joining us as

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Speaker 1: always here with my podcast partner Stephen Tolbert. The Braves

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Speaker 1: tonight lost to the Philadelphia Phillies nineteen to four. A

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Speaker 1: horribly historic night for the Braves. Is the best way

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Speaker 1: that I can describe it it honestly is it's nearly

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Speaker 1: been exactly a decade. Like the last time the Braves

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Speaker 1: gave up eighteen plus runs in a game was two

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Speaker 1: thousand and fifteen, August twenty eight of twenty and fifteen.

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Speaker 1: That's how long it's been since the Braves gave up

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Speaker 1: this many runs as they did on Thursday Night. Just

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Speaker 1: a completely forgettable game. But you know what, we're here

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Speaker 1: to cover it no matter how bad or how good

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Speaker 1: it gets. And that's what we're gonna do tonight. And

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Speaker 1: Steve and I know you're chomping at the bit ready

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Speaker 1: to break down the historic start from cal Control and

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Speaker 1: the historic game from the Braves. Good talking with you

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Speaker 1: as always, my friend.

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Speaker 2: Hey buddy, yeah, what a fun night. I had the

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Speaker 2: had the multiple TV you know, obviously it's college football

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Speaker 2: season now, so had the multiple TV setup going, had

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Speaker 2: the Braves on one, had Boise the Boise State game

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Speaker 2: on the other, and I was curious, like, Who's gonna

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Speaker 2: score more points? The Phillies are Boise State, and the

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Speaker 2: Phillies kicked their ass. It was I think boys only

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Speaker 2: scored seven and the Phillies scored nineteen. There's gonna be

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Speaker 2: a number of teams that the Phillies outscored a number

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it was tough. I mean, cal Kuntrol, We're

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Speaker 2: gonna talk about him, I guess if we have to.

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Speaker 2: But you know, you lose, you give up nineteen runs,

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Speaker 2: and you give up four homers for the second time

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Speaker 2: in the season to one guy. I mean, just the

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Speaker 2: twenty twent I mean just a standing just a standing

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Speaker 2: ovation for the twenty twenty five Braves. I mean what

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Speaker 2: just what a masterclass of just a shit show that

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Speaker 2: to them.

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Speaker 1: I mean the Braves, though, are doing favors for their teams.

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Speaker 1: They single handedly made Eugenio Suarez the most sought after

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Speaker 1: bat at the trade deadline, and they may, after tonight,

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Speaker 1: have single handedly allowed for Kyle Schwarber to clearly step

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Speaker 1: But all jokes aside, it was a historic night for

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Speaker 1: all the wrong reasons when it comes to the Braves.

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Speaker 1: But for the second time this year, it is correct.

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Speaker 1: They gave up four home runs to the same player

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Speaker 1: in one game. So that's now nineteen times in Major

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Speaker 1: League Baseball history that a player has hit four home

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Speaker 1: runs in one game. Steven, I don't know if you

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Speaker 1: besides tonight and that game was swore as if you've

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Speaker 1: ever seen another four homer game. One that I vividly

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Speaker 1: remember was, I believe in nineteen ninety three at Riverfront Stadium,

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Speaker 1: Mark Whitten of the Cardinals. I was a more Cardinals

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Speaker 2: I believe you just admitted that.

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Speaker 1: I did admit it, you know, hey, with where I was.

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Speaker 1: My dad was a huge Cardinals fan. But I remember

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Speaker 1: seeing Mark Witten do that, and it's it's an impressive

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Speaker 1: true to those who may not know, nineteen four home

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Speaker 1: run games. It's a more rare occurrence than a perfect

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Speaker 1: So when it happens, it is very notable. And of

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Speaker 1: course it's now happened, I believe for the third time

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Speaker 1: But I bring all this up because there's no Major

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Speaker 1: They're now the only team in Major League Baseball history

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Speaker 1: It happened against them in nineteen fifty as well, and

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Speaker 1: involved in both those losses. They beat Eugenios Fourrez earlier

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Speaker 2: Awesome, just tremendous stuff. That's hilarious. I do remember this

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Speaker 2: so he hit five homers in a row, but four

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Speaker 2: Sean Green did it for the Dodgers, maybe against the Brewers.

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Speaker 2: I was randomly watching that game all I mean, this

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Speaker 2: greatest offensive game of all time, at least at that point.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean they're notable, of course, and like

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Speaker 1: your details were absolutely correct. Down to the day. Hamilton

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Speaker 1: and Green both did it. You got the play, you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I remember the Hamilton won because all five

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Speaker 2: which was the crazy part about that. And then I

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Speaker 2: funny that the one time Kyle Schuber made it out

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Speaker 2: the Atlanta Braves, So it sucks that it was against

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Speaker 2: But Kyle Schwarber's always seem like a really cool dude,

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Speaker 2: So you know that sucks. I don't want to ever

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Speaker 1: It, exactly, you know, at least at least at least,

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Speaker 1: you know, be notorious. If you're not going to be notable.

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Speaker 1: One thing is that to me, the there are a

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Speaker 2: But I've had this debate before with people like I

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Speaker 2: And you know, you know, there's always a little incidences.

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Speaker 1: And then the thing that stands out about Phillies is

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Speaker 1: about it. Cal Quantrille just if you want to talk

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Speaker 2: he might have like ten minutes left in his major

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Speaker 1: So, Stephen, it is August twenty eight and we were

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Speaker 1: So Stephen. The other you know, weekend specific storyline where

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Speaker 1: you keep talking about storylines, the one that really is

439
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Speaker 1: the focus of this week to look forward to. Besides

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Speaker 1: urs carom Waldrop will be the return of Chris Sale

441
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Speaker 1: for the first time in more than two months, as

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Speaker 1: he'll take the Mound in Philadelphia. Now, of course, you

443
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Speaker 1: know it's a mound that he's familiar with. We saw him,

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Speaker 1: I believe a couple of times last year have a

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Speaker 1: lot of success. He's going to be facing off against

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Speaker 1: someone that you could clearly say is a top three

447
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Speaker 1: or four left hander in the game, along with Sale

448
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Speaker 1: and Christopher Sanchez, so it's certainly going to be a

449
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Speaker 1: matchup to watch. What are you looking for from Sale?

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Speaker 1: In that matchup, Stephen, what makes it a successful night

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Speaker 1: for you? What Sale takes the mount?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? So obviously just comfort? Right? How do you How

453
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Speaker 2: does he look? I haven't actually put eyes on him

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Speaker 2: on any of his Triple A starts. I have a

455
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Speaker 2: very hard time watching minor league baseball. I don't know

456
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Speaker 2: what the hell is happening with like the in minor

457
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Speaker 2: league baseball, but like, why do why does every minor

458
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 2: league baseball game look like you're why does it look

459
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,640
Speaker 2: like you're filming it with a potato? I don't under

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Speaker 2: I don't understand what. I don't understand what's happening on

461
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 2: that level where like I have a better camera in

462
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Speaker 2: my pocket than what they use to film those games anyway,

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Speaker 2: So I have not spent Yeah, sorry, I haven't spent

464
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Speaker 2: a lot of time watching Chris Sale in the minor

465
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Speaker 2: So I just want to see how comfortable he looks.

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Speaker 2: The stuff I don't really care about that much in

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Speaker 2: the first start that'll build back up, even like the command,

468
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Speaker 2: how sharp he is. I don't really care about any

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Speaker 2: of that stuff. The results I certainly don't care about.

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Speaker 2: Just how, you know, is he comfortable? You know, does

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Speaker 2: he does he look like he's pitching any different because

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Speaker 2: of the rib. As long as he looks comfortable, I

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Speaker 2: don't really care what happens. And obviously, as long as

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Speaker 2: he gets out healthy, that's all I really care about.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, Christopher Sanchez, like I don't know if people know,

476
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Speaker 2: but like Christopher sanch when Wheeler went down, Sanchez bumped up,

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Speaker 2: Like in l Cai Young odds like he's gonna be

478
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Speaker 2: a guy who gets plenty of cy Young votes. I

479
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Speaker 2: don't know if people know that, but he's been one

480
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 2: of the best pitchers in baseball this year, so that

481
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Speaker 2: could be a really fun game. You know, obviously we

482
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Speaker 2: don't know what Chris Sale is going to look like

483
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Speaker 2: in the first start in three months, so you know,

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Speaker 2: he might be you know, he might be very rusty

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Speaker 2: and sloppy, and you know, the results are the results

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Speaker 2: at this point. But yeah, just just Chris looking comfortable

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Speaker 2: is what I want to see. And obviously just getting

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Speaker 2: out healthy.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. And you know the other thing that stands out

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Speaker 1: about you know, Chris Sale is you know, just the

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Speaker 1: simple fact that when he takes the mound, it just

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Speaker 1: it brings a new level of attention. It's just fun

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Speaker 1: to see him, you know, locked in. Don't necessarily know

494
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Speaker 1: if that's going to be the case on Saturday, but

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Speaker 1: it'll just be good to see him on the mound again.

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Speaker 1: One thing again, if we want to talk about rest

497
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Speaker 1: of the season storylines, one thing that absolutely needs to

498
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Speaker 1: emerge as one of the biggest storylines. Having as many

499
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Speaker 1: of our best players entered the off season as healthy

500
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Speaker 1: as possible, that is a huge storyline to follow, and

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00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,880
Speaker 1: you get a much better sense that's the case for Chris,

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Speaker 1: So if he's on the mound than if he's not.

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Speaker 1: I also want us to talk about a bit of

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Speaker 1: a return to four. Go ahead.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, I just read this, so I'm going to bring

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Speaker 2: it up. Mark Bowman. MLB dot Com beat writer Mark

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Speaker 2: Bowman said that Snith said that because Sale is coming

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Speaker 2: back and they have an off day every single week

509
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Speaker 2: in September, that they are going back to a five

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Speaker 2: man rotation. Just gotcha?

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Speaker 1: Okay, So so that so that would mean Sale Waldrop

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Speaker 1: when Strider and Quantrell Elder Who am I missing?

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Speaker 2: It would Yeah, yeah, Qure, I'm guessing Quantrill it will

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Speaker 2: be the corresponding move.

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Speaker 1: For I was trying to think if there was an

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Speaker 1: extra there, but Fetti was the extra.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Quantrell and Elder are probably not that different,

518
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Speaker 2: but or at least has youth and minor league options

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Speaker 2: on his side.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a body.

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00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 2: So yeah, but.

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Speaker 1: All Kenning aside. The person that I was referring to, of course,

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Speaker 1: was is Matt Olsen. And you know, we talked so

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Speaker 1: much about, you know, how good Profars looked, how good

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Speaker 1: you know Michael Harris has looked. A few weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: or maybe ten or so days ago, Steve and I

527
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Speaker 1: we were talking about the fact that with how good

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Speaker 1: Matt Olsen at times has been this year, the emergence

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Speaker 1: of Drake Baldwin and then the second half surges as

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Speaker 1: well a Profar and Michael Harris, whatever you know, validation

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Speaker 1: or value you want to put in, how legitimate those

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Speaker 1: surges are. If Matt Olsen can end the season on

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Speaker 1: a good note. One thing that all of a sudden

534
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Speaker 1: has gone from a clear area of concern to becoming

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Speaker 1: a strength for this Braves team is their ability to

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Speaker 1: hit as left handers with Profar and Harris as well

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Speaker 1: as Olsen, and that quartet is quite dangerous to go

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00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: along with the Cooney as well as Riley moving forward.

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Speaker 1: Good to see Olson, you know, putting the power back

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Speaker 1: on display. I'm not necessarily saying that, you know, he's

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Speaker 1: back to twenty twenty three form, but it's better when

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Speaker 1: he's hitting home runs than when he's not. But the

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Speaker 1: point that I'm getting at is is that, again, Profar Harris,

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Speaker 1: whatever value you want to put on how much you

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Speaker 1: actually believe in their surges. But if Matt Olsen can

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Speaker 1: start hitting for power, then you go into the off

547
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Speaker 1: season where that balance that we've talked about for the

548
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Speaker 1: past two years for this lineup, it looks a lot

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Speaker 1: better going into twenty twenty six than it has even

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Speaker 1: the past few offseasons.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, you know, you and I talked about it

552
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Speaker 2: on the last show, like I want to see the

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Speaker 2: power of the entire lineup because I think that's how

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Speaker 2: you sustain offense for six months as you have a

555
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,959
Speaker 2: lineup full of guys that can they can hit homers.

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Speaker 2: It's just instant, instant offense, and Matt is a big

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Speaker 2: part of that. And you and I spent a lot

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Speaker 2: of time talking last year about how I felt like

559
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Speaker 2: or how we felt like Matt Olsen was arguably the

560
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Speaker 2: most important player in the Braves lineup because at that

561
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Speaker 2: time they did not have a lot of left handed

562
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Speaker 2: pop and he was one of the only ones. Well,

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Speaker 2: I think they did a good job in the off

564
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Speaker 2: season addressing that with Baldwin obviously being caught up and Profar,

565
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Speaker 2: who's been a revelation quite honestly, you know, I know

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Speaker 2: Scott and Brad did a full Profar segment, so we're

567
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 2: not gonna do that. But you know, if Profar hits

568
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 2: like this, if Baldwin hits like this, and Olsen, who

569
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 2: is very streaky, We've talked about the streakiness of this lineup.

570
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Speaker 2: It's just full of individual players who just go hot

571
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Speaker 2: and cold for like months at a time. And August

572
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 2: was was a pretty cold month for Matt, especially if

573
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Speaker 2: you look at like his expected numbers. Ivan at Battery

574
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Speaker 2: Power wrote a good piece if you missed it on

575
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Speaker 2: Matt Olsen's August and you know he went through all

576
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Speaker 2: the expected numbers and how he just wasn't hitting the

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Speaker 2: ball with the same authority all month. And you know

578
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Speaker 2: there was some talkings like is he is he getting tired?

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Speaker 2: Like the dude literally plays every day, every inning of

580
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Speaker 2: every game, so seeing him these last few days, you know,

581
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Speaker 2: hit doubles, hit homers. That was a good sign. And

582
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Speaker 2: obviously he's a very important player for twenty twenty six

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Speaker 2: and beyond.

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Speaker 1: Obviously, you know the other thing about matt Olsen is

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Speaker 1: this is that you know, I think in terms of

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm going to say, I'm going to say

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Speaker 1: a phrase here and don't want people to you know,

588
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Speaker 1: take it the wrong way. But matt Olsen is on

589
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Speaker 1: a career trajectory. I talked about it earlier this year

590
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: where you know, he had, you know, reached a certain plateau.

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Speaker 1: I believe it's yeah, it's either it was by age.

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Speaker 1: I think it was by age, and that he was

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Speaker 1: one of you know, five players to have reached a

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Speaker 1: certain threshold for power numbers, and three of those players

595
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Speaker 1: were Hall of Famers. The other was Mark Tshera. You know,

596
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Speaker 1: matt Olsen is on the trajectory to where I don't

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Speaker 1: think that he's going to make the Hall of Fame,

598
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Speaker 1: but it would not be completely far fetched if he

599
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: just absolutely went off in his thirties. We'd love to

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00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: see it. But the point that I'm getting at is

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Speaker 1: is that when it comes to matt Olsen, I know

602
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: that he's on the wrong side of thirty now, but

603
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: there's still plenty of reason to want him to be successful.

604
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: I know we talk about that the most important part

605
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,479
Speaker 1: of the contender equation for the Braves is Austin Miley

606
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: returning to form now. But a reason why we say

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00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: that is because matt Olsen has clearly established himself as

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Speaker 1: as streaky as he is being one of the most

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Speaker 1: consistent guys, especially against better competition. So it is vitally

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Speaker 1: important that matt Olsen ends the season on a good

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Speaker 1: note because he is one of our most reliable options

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Speaker 1: in big games, and if he can continue to be

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Speaker 1: that way into his thirties, there's really going to be

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Speaker 1: a better shot for the Braves to be where they

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Speaker 1: want to be if matt Olsen's power continues. But just

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Speaker 1: also in general, he keeps showing up in those big moments.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll say this for matt Olsen's Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 2: Chances is that like big and slow guys actually age

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Speaker 2: better than the small, fast, athletic guys because if you're

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Speaker 2: already big and slow, you know, father time can't do

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Speaker 2: that much more to you, right, I mean, father time

622
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 2: can do a number on Ronald Acuna Junior and Byron Buxton,

623
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Speaker 2: and you know, pick your best athletes, Mike Trout. But

624
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Speaker 2: when you're already you know, when you run like Matt Olsen,

625
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Speaker 2: which is basically like you know, he runs backwards. I

626
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 2: mean that's how slow the guy is, then you can't

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00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 2: you know, age is not going to do anything else

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Speaker 2: to you. So he could very well have like a

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Speaker 2: Nelson Cruz type second half of his career, and I

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Speaker 2: think he'd make the Hall of Fame if he gets

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Speaker 2: to five hundred homers first. You know, for instance, that's

632
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 2: all all for a long time, been in benchmark, you know,

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Speaker 2: even kind of like a Kyle Schorber type of resurgence

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Speaker 2: in his thirties. I can make the case that Kyle

635
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 2: Shuber has been a better player in his thirties than

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Speaker 2: he was in his twenties. So it's not impossible. And

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Speaker 2: I do hope he gets I mean, I would love

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Speaker 2: just because of how much crap he catches, because his

639
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 2: name is Freddie Freeman from Bradves fans, that would be

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Speaker 2: that would be unbelievable if at the end of his career,

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Speaker 2: hopefully most of with the Braves, he and got inducted

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Speaker 2: into the Hall of Fame because he just went crazy

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Speaker 2: in his thirties. That would be a pretty fun story.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe eighty home runs now for his career

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Speaker 1: after tonight, so two twenty away from five hundred. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's funny, you know, with the you know, Carlos Stanton,

647
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Speaker 1: you know, knocking on the door of five hundred in time,

648
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Speaker 1: College Schwarber maybe having an outside chance matt Olsen had,

649
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Speaker 1: maybe having an outside chance. It's gonna be ab the

650
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Speaker 1: fun debate just how important that five hundred home run

651
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Speaker 1: threshold is, you know, to these Hall of famers in time.

652
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Speaker 1: But you know, again, we're not saying anything that people

653
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Speaker 1: don't know when it comes to matt Olsen. Everybody knows

654
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Speaker 1: how important he is to the Braves success. But I

655
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Speaker 1: don't think it can be overstated that this truly has

656
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Speaker 1: been one of this past decade's best power hitters and

657
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: he still clearly is in the prime of his career

658
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Speaker 1: to be able to deliver not only big flies, but

659
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Speaker 1: do it in big moments, and that's gonna be crucial

660
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Speaker 1: to the Brave success. We would ford Steven Tobert anything

661
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Speaker 1: else from you as we wrap up this edition of

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Speaker 1: the Hammer Territory Podcast.

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Speaker 2: No, just fun game, you know, fun game tonight. It

664
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Speaker 2: was a lot of fun to watch. I'm talking about

665
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Speaker 2: the football game of course that I was watching. Yeah,

666
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Speaker 2: we'll see what the weekend brings. I'm very interesting Chris Sale.

667
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Speaker 2: You know, even though that game's on Saturday, first day

668
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Speaker 2: of college football, I will have that game on because

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Speaker 2: I want to see what Chris Sale looks like it's

670
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Speaker 2: gonna I'm very curious see how much s Trek Baldwin

671
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Speaker 2: plays this weekend with three straight lefties. I really hope

672
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Speaker 2: they do the sensible thing and at least play him

673
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Speaker 2: in two of those games. I will not be surprised

674
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Speaker 2: at all if he's sitting in at least two of

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Speaker 2: those games. But we'll see. But we appreciate the support.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: We'll follow the team as normal, and I think we'll

678
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Speaker 2: have our next show on Sunday, so we'll recap kind

679
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Speaker 2: of the full weekend on the Sunday show. But we

680
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Speaker 2: appreciate the support as always.

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Speaker 1: All right, Steven, so listen, you know, I know that

682
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Speaker 1: we're a boys podcast, but we're both huge college football fans.

683
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Speaker 1: Let's end the show in style with football season being here,

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Speaker 1: gonna throw out five quick games from this weekend and

685
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Speaker 1: we'll get your thoughts on who will win those games,

686
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Speaker 1: potentially why, and we'll see next week when we reconvene

687
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Speaker 1: for the next our next edition The hambita territory podcast,

688
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Speaker 1: who had the better predictions? So we'll start off with

689
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Speaker 1: your Alabama Crimson Tide versus the Florida State Seminoles, Steven Talvert,

690
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Speaker 1: who wins?

691
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Speaker 2: Did in Florida State win like two games last year?

692
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Speaker 1: They won two games last year.

693
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how good BAM is, but they

694
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Speaker 2: won more than two games last year, So I'll take them,

695
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Speaker 2: all right, I'll.

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Speaker 1: Take I'll take BAM as well. Stephen Talvert. My beloved

697
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Speaker 1: Tennessee volunteers will play in the Braves homes hometown, the

698
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Speaker 1: City of the Braves in Atlanta against the Syracuse Orangeman

699
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Speaker 1: hall Aho Lot of Orange is going to be in

700
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Speaker 1: the state of Georgia this weekend. Your thoughts who wins

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Speaker 1: between it between the Syracuse Orange Men and the Tennessee Volunteers.

702
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Speaker 2: I don't know when, I don't know who wins. I

703
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 2: know who loses is whoever has to watch those two

704
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 2: ugly ass Orange teams play each other. Yeah, that might

705
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 2: be the most visually unappealing game I can think of

706
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Speaker 2: to watch. Yeah, Tennessee should beat the crap out of them,

707
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Speaker 2: But the loser is everybody who has to watch it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, those Orange jail as you've racked up over the

709
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Speaker 1: past few years. Oops. All right, Hey, let's get to

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Speaker 1: the big games of the weekend. By the way, I

711
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Speaker 1: am picking Tennessee as well. Let's get to the big

712
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Speaker 1: games of the weekend, and we will start, well start actually,

713
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Speaker 1: you know what, Hold on one second here, Yeah, we

714
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Speaker 1: will start with the Notre Dame fighting Irish against the

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Speaker 1: Miami Hurricanes. Steeven, who do you pick?

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Speaker 2: I don't know a lot about these I haven't really

717
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 2: followed either one of these two teams off season. I

718
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Speaker 2: know Miami obviously lost your quarterback. He went to the

719
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Speaker 2: NFL as the number one pick. I'll take Notre Dame.

720
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Speaker 2: I just trust that program to rebuild or to restock

721
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Speaker 2: more than I trust Miami. I think Miami did have

722
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Speaker 2: a really good offseat. I think they brought in a

723
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Speaker 2: lot of talent. But I'm going with the program that's

724
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Speaker 2: been a little bit more stable, and I'll take Notre Dame.

725
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Speaker 1: I'm a huge Marcus Freeman fan, and I think, yeah,

726
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Speaker 1: I think when it comes to coming off a big

727
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Speaker 1: because you know, Notre Dame obviously was in the playoffs themselves.

728
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Speaker 1: They they they made it all the way to the

729
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Speaker 1: National championship. Coming off a big year last year, they have.

730
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Speaker 2: A new quarterback. They have a new quarterback too though

731
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Speaker 2: the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but Marcus Freeman coach up a defense. I think

733
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Speaker 1: that he can run a program very well. So I

734
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Speaker 1: pick Notre Dame as well. Steven, We've got a matchup

735
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Speaker 1: of two quarterbacks who Garrett Mesmeyer I believe, and Kay Clebnick. Yeah,

736
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Speaker 1: though for for LSU and Clemson, those two teams will

737
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Speaker 1: be facing each other on Saturday. Steven tobert LSU or Clemson.

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Speaker 2: For some reason, Brian Kelly just absolutely stinks at these openers,

739
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Speaker 2: Like I think they've lost like four or five in

740
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Speaker 2: a row. LSU typically just gets better as the year

741
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Speaker 2: goes on, but they usually don't start great. Clemson doesn't

742
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Speaker 2: usually start great either. I'll take Clemson. I don't feel

743
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Speaker 2: great about it, though you could probably talk me the

744
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Speaker 2: other way.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm gonna go Clemson as well. I think Clemson

746
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Speaker 1: has the better defense. I'm not going to sit in

747
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Speaker 1: here and act like I know a lot about these

748
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Speaker 1: two teams, but I think that Clemson overall are probably

749
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Speaker 1: has a bit better roster, and I think the Dabo

750
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Speaker 1: Sweeney realizes that this, you know, really could be you know,

751
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Speaker 1: his opportunity to get back into that upper echelon of

752
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: the national spot like he's fallen off over the past

753
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: five to seven years since they you know, won multiple

754
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Speaker 1: national titles. But this could be, you know, the best

755
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Speaker 1: chance he's had in years to really have a true

756
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Speaker 1: shot at that national title. So I think I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: go with Clubs.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I saw a mock draft, like a

759
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven mock draft or twenty twenty six mock draft,

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Speaker 2: Kate Klubnick was the number one pick.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I believe again it's Garrett Newsmaier.

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Speaker 1: I believe Ne Smyer. He's someone that I think could

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Speaker 1: be a first round pick. I know that there's a lot.

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Speaker 2: Of maybe I just don't pay attention to not to

765
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Speaker 2: club Nick. I did not like I've never watched him

766
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Speaker 2: thinking oh yeah, that's like the clearly like the next

767
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Speaker 2: number one pick.

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Speaker 1: Well, my understanding is from what I've read when it

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Speaker 1: comes to this quarterback class is that there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of really intriguing, high profile, how high pedigree quarterbacks in

771
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Speaker 1: this class compared to the last few classes. But there's

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Speaker 1: not like a true real number one pick among them.

773
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Speaker 1: Like if Arch Manning came out, who will talk about

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Speaker 1: in just a minute, he would be I think the

775
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Speaker 1: you know prize of that class to go number one.

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Speaker 1: The Leonora Sellers of South Carolina is another guy that

777
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Speaker 1: I've heard, you know, could surprise people with going number one,

778
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Speaker 1: kind of like cam Ward did over the past year.

779
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Speaker 1: But I just think that this is going to be

780
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Speaker 1: a deeper quarterback class than we've seen in recent years.

781
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Speaker 1: But yes, I've seen that as well, where he could

782
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Speaker 1: go number one. But but speaking of number one, possibly

783
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Speaker 1: one of the biggest overall matchups that we have seen

784
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Speaker 1: in recent history for an opening weekend game, the number

785
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Speaker 1: one Texas Longhorns against the number three excuse me, the

786
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Speaker 1: number one?

787
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Speaker 4: Is it?

788
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Speaker 1: Number one Texas long Horns? Yeah, I think I got

789
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Speaker 1: that right. Versus Ohio State. Yeah, number one Texas long

790
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Speaker 1: Horns versus the number three Ohio State Buckeyes. Steven Tolbert,

791
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Speaker 1: who you got.

792
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Speaker 2: Well. I think Ohio Said has the best defensive player

793
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Speaker 2: in the country and the best offensive player in the country.

794
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Speaker 2: I think Caleb Downs of Alabama, by the way, is

795
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Speaker 2: the best defensive player in the country.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

797
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Speaker 2: I think Jeremi Smith's the best offensive player in the country.

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Speaker 2: I don't know anything about Ohio State's quarterback though, Like

799
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Speaker 2: if you quarter if your quarterback sucks, then it's tough

800
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 2: to do anything. And their quarterback he might, he might

801
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 2: be good, he might suck. Honestly, the same goes with

802
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Speaker 2: arch Manning. I know the name is Manning, but like

803
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 2: he might suck, he could suck. If he's good, then

804
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Speaker 2: they're probably gonna be very good.

805
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:23,760
Speaker 1: Uh.

806
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Speaker 2: You know, Sarkisian has really built that program into a powerhouse.

807
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 2: So if arch Manning is actually as good as they

808
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,919
Speaker 2: think he is, Texas might just might just road grade

809
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 2: to the national championship. But if he's not, I mean,

810
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 2: they got to go into Columbus, they got to go

811
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Speaker 2: into the Horseshoe and beat Ohio State. That's not easy.

812
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 2: So I could see I'm actually gonna take Ohio State

813
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 2: in this game anytime, I don't know for sure. I

814
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 2: usually just take the home team. So I'm gonna I'm

815
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 2: gonna roll with Ohio State in this game, but their

816
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 2: quarterback might stink and they might lose by fifty. You know,

817
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 2: a lot of it's gonna come down a quarterback play.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard to say. The finding game of a

819
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 1: quarterback's career is the first game when he truly takes over.

820
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: I mean, Archmanning started games already for Texas, but this

821
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Speaker 1: is the first one where he truly is the guy

822
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Speaker 1: for Texas. I'm going to go with the Ohio State

823
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: as well. I agree with you. I know that, I know,

824
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Speaker 1: I know we're not here to cause controversy. We're here

825
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: for common sense. I feel like that.

826
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Speaker 2: I'm taking Syracuse. I'm changing it. I'm taking Syracuse over Tennessee.

827
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I'd rather you go with common sense

828
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Speaker 1: than just be stupid to creak.

829
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Speaker 2: Everybody knows by now that I'm not going to go

830
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Speaker 2: with common sense.

831
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Speaker 1: I think that's fair. But uh no, when I do

832
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: think so when it comes to Ohio State, that both

833
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: of these teams lost a lot of talent, they're having

834
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Speaker 1: to replace it. But to your point, they've got the

835
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Speaker 1: best offensive player and defensive player that's that stands out

836
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Speaker 1: more in these type of games, I think than most games,

837
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Speaker 1: even playoff games, these regular season games where it's the

838
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Speaker 1: first game that you're playing as to start the y,

839
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: you're painting against quality opponent. The known products are who

840
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 1: you truly hope show up and perform, and most Smith

841
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: and Downs could do that. So for Stephen Tolbert the

842
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Speaker 1: Pixar iiO State, Clemson, Notre Dame, Syracuse and Alabama. For

843
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: myself it is Ohio State, Clemson, Notre Dame Tennessee by fifty,

844
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: as well as Alabama. Hopefully TuS Timpson has a great game,

845
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Speaker 1: so not a lot of difference there. But listen, it's

846
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Speaker 1: just here to discuss college football. Don't mean to make

847
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: the show longer than it needs to be, but let's

848
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: end it on a good note. Let's end it on

849
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 1: a positive note, something me and Stephen both enjoy. Go Braves,

850
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: go Valls. Will leave it at that. I'll let Stephen

851
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 1: wind up wrap it up with anybody that he wants

852
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 1: to cheer on. But more than anything, I hope that

853
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: you have a very safe and healthy, happy and healthy

854
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 1: weekend with your friends and family. Enjoy brace baseball and

855
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: enjoin football. All just enjoying the end of the summer

856
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,280
Speaker 1: as we always like to do with fall right around

857
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: the corner.

858
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 2: And I went in the show shouting out what I

859
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 2: hope to be the brand new insurance salesman. Cal Control

860
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 2: has been a great career. It might be time to

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Speaker 2: head to the dealership, you know, open up your own dealership,

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Speaker 2: life insurance, car insurance, whatever you want to do. Uh,

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Speaker 2: the world is your oyster, my friend.

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Speaker 1: Oh Cal Quantroll, if you're listening, we wish you the best, sir.

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Speaker 3: It was.

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Speaker 2: It was a pleasure and a joy to watch you.

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Speaker 1: We wish you all the best in your future endeavors.

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Speaker 1: Cal Quantrill. Until next time, we'll talk to you here

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