1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: Hey, that folks. It is Tuesday, July first, and the 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: first full day of deliberations is underway in the Ditty trial. 3 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: And sure enough, this morning, within an hour we heard 4 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 1: from the jury once again, welcome to this did he 5 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 1: update episode of Amy and TJ Robes it is? This 6 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: jury keeps it interesting. But they've sent another note. We'll 7 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: get the details about. There at least three notes they've 8 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 1: sent with some kind of either problem or question. Right, 9 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 1: but what do we Isn't this a good sign that 10 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 1: they're taking this seriously? 11 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 2: Yes, And I love that they're inquisitive and asking questions 12 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 2: because it shows they want to make sure that they're 13 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 2: understanding things clearly and fully. And so yes, three notes 14 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 2: with questions, two notes with just letting the judge know 15 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 2: who the four person was and when they wanted to 16 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 2: end the day. But yeah, five notes total, three with 17 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 2: questions in just what six and a half seven hours of. 18 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 3: Deliberation so far. 19 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 2: So that is a pretty active jury who is engaging 20 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 2: directly with the judge quite often. 21 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: Well, they and again it's like yesterday we got a 22 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: note within an hour. Today or in about an hour today, 23 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: we actually got the note within an hour And this 24 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: just I was just struck by Wow. They've only been 25 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,119 Speaker 1: there chatting it up for a short time. They came 26 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 1: with the very specific things that they wanted this morning. 27 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 1: But before any of that either had it could even 28 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: take place, we did, Like we say, usually there's some 29 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: housekeeping in the courtroom before the jury actually gets going. 30 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 1: We had that again. But it was interesting today. A 31 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: couple of notes from the folks in the courtroom that 32 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: we keep up with. On a personal note from Diddy 33 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: having to do with his family, the lack of family, 34 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: and frankly, what sounds like a sweet moment with his mom. 35 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, he told her he liked her outfit, did he not? 36 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 2: He said he loved what she was wearing. It's a 37 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 2: green and white zebra looking outfit. But yeah, he was 38 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 2: able to whisper in her ear and he told her basically, 39 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 2: it's I'm gonna be okay. 40 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 3: It's gonna be okay. 41 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, he sounded it sounded sweet, it sounded reassured. Look, 42 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: we're only doing it. We can only do this by 43 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: reading comments from reporters in the room, but a couple 44 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: of them took note that he had more of an 45 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: interaction with his mom. However, he only has his mom 46 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: was the only one in the courtroom today at first, 47 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: I believe his sister, right. 48 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 2: Or his sister has now just shown up with his 49 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 2: mom to for this reading of this latest note that 50 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 2: the jury said, So they came back. They had been 51 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 2: hanging out in the cafeteria, I believe, and so they 52 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 2: came up to be there with him. But yet we 53 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 2: actually went by the courthouse earlier this morning, and it 54 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 2: is active outside. Folks are waiting anxiously, it seems, outside 55 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 2: of the courtroom. So yeah, it's been it's been an 56 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 2: active day. But the courtroom itself, they say a fewer 57 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 2: people are inside the actual courtroom today, understandably. 58 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, it's supposed to be boring because 59 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: it's supposed to be no action in court. The judge 60 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: comes in, he gallbols everybody to order, welcome to the jury, 61 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: go do your work, and then we wait. So all 62 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: we're doing is sitting and waiting. All did he is 63 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: doing is sitting and waiting at the courthouse and a 64 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: holding cell with his books that he's allowed to have. 65 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: But this is a waiting game. Now, the back and 66 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: forth with the lawyers to answer the questions Roode's other 67 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: point here, before we get into these, before we get 68 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: into the notes that they did send, this seems to 69 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: be taking time, like it's drawing deliberations that we're all 70 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: already expected to not go that quickly. It seems like 71 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: we're losing a lot of time on notes already. 72 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 3: That's right. 73 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 2: But honestly, you and I have talked about it. We 74 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 2: looked at as much as we could, we read the 75 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 2: judge's instructions. 76 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 3: To the jury. 77 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 2: This is a complicated case. This is not did he 78 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 2: do it, did he not do it? This is so 79 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 2: much more than that, and each charge is very specific 80 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 2: and hard to grasp what is what, So the language 81 00:03:57,880 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 2: they're having issue with some of the at least that 82 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 2: was the question that they gave the judge before they 83 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 2: broke deliberations yesterday, and it was the question that they 84 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 2: had to answer this morning first thing, and it was 85 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 2: about what it means to distribute drugs. I mean, it's 86 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 2: it is a little unclear. 87 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: So that's yes, that's how the days started. They sent 88 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: a note yesterday, Yes, because we debated right here about it. Right, 89 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 1: if I go get drugs from this person and then 90 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 1: they're from my personal use and then I'm hanging out 91 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: with somebody else and said, hey, you want one of 92 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: my pills and give it to that person. Am I 93 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 1: a drug distributor? The prosecutors essentially are saying, hell yeah. 94 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,239 Speaker 1: But the jury asked that question, and this morning, before 95 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 1: things got started, the judge did give the official response, 96 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 1: that's right. 97 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 2: Well, it's funny you say that, because the prosecution asked 98 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 2: that the judge just simply respond to that question with 99 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 2: a yes. 100 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 3: The defense not so much. 101 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 2: They wanted to refer the jury back to a full 102 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 2: set of instructions and other parts of the charge, kind 103 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 2: of confusing. The judge said, okay, here's what I'm going 104 00:04:58,160 --> 00:04:58,359 Speaker 2: to do. 105 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 3: So he told the. 106 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:05,559 Speaker 2: Jury to refer back to page thirty seven, lines one 107 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 2: through three of its jury charge, and then he quoted 108 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 2: the language from the instruction. 109 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 3: So here is what they said. This is what the 110 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 3: judge told the jury. 111 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 2: The word distribution means actual, constructive, or attempted transfer. To 112 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 2: distribute simply means to deliver, to pass over, or to 113 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 2: hand over something to another person, or cause it to 114 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:34,799 Speaker 2: be delivered, passed on, or handed over to another. Distribution 115 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 2: does not require a sale. 116 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 3: I thought that was really interesting. 117 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, once you got to the end. I was 118 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: confused up to that, Like what does all that mean? 119 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: And they're having to figure this out. I don't know 120 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 1: I could fig it word for word actual constructive or 121 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: attempted transfer? 122 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 2: Like even if if I try to give you a pill, 123 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 2: that still counts as me being a distributor, even if 124 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 2: you didn't take it or if you didn't want it. 125 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: Fine, what's a constructive transfer? 126 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 3: It actually was something that happened. 127 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 2: There was there was a there was something that happened 128 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 2: from the transfer. You actually received the pill. That would 129 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 2: be how I read that. 130 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: What if I caused it to be passed on? 131 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 2: Doing you told someone else, hey give If I told 132 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 2: a friend of mine, hey give this pill to TJ. 133 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 1: Okay, here's my next question I would send if I 134 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 1: was sitting the jerk, Can we ask this, Am I 135 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: a distributor if I never touched the drug? If I 136 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: tell my guy go pick up these drugs, he comes 137 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: back to the room with the stuff and then he 138 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: gives a pill, that would be my next question. 139 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 2: The way I read it, the answer is yes to that, 140 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 2: because you are causing it to be delivered, passed on, 141 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 2: or handed over to another, not necessarily directly by your hand, 142 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 2: but you've caused the transfer to happen. 143 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,679 Speaker 3: You've ordered or asked for the transfer to happen. 144 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: And this is what they're trying to figure out. Yeah, 145 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: and to the possibly send this man to jail for 146 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: the rest of his life. They're having to figure that out. Now. 147 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 1: It's feeling weightier and weightier that it comes down to 148 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: nuance and legalese and one pill and my understanding and 149 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: comprehension of the law and your understanding and comprehension. And 150 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: you're a deli clerk and I'm a molecular biologist. And 151 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: the guy down at the end there is a retired banker, 152 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: and this one over here as an analyst. And you're 153 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: from Westchester and I'm from the Bronx. This is what 154 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: you're trying to get on the same page about this. Yes, so, 155 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: mar you've been my best friend for five years. You 156 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: and I are not gonna see eye to eye on 157 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: this quest. I'm saying, even sitting here with you, we 158 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: can't come to Oh, okay, I get it. Oh that 159 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: makes sense. 160 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 2: Oh I see now, it seems just it seems ridiculous 161 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 2: when you think about how many times in your life. 162 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 2: If you even just put it to like alcohol or 163 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 2: something else you're giving someone, Suddenly now you're committing some 164 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 2: racketeering charge that could put you away for the rest 165 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 2: of your life because you handed something to someone or 166 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 2: you told someone to give someone something that may or 167 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 2: may not be illegal. That's something that a lot of 168 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 2: folks will take to heart and probably personalize and humanize. 169 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 2: And so I know they're not supposed to do that. 170 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 2: This is supposed to be about the law, but that 171 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 2: law is not something that I think most people are 172 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 2: familiar with. It is a law that just seems like 173 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 2: the punishment is fairly intense given what the alleged crime is. 174 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: Oh, so we answered that question for the jury this 175 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: morning when they first got started. Sends them back to 176 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: deliberate and what was it forty five minutes I believe. 177 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: Later they give another note and they were very specific 178 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: about what they wanted in the note. So this is 179 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: the fresh note now that we got from the jury 180 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,959 Speaker 1: today about forty five minutes into deliberations, and they wanted 181 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: to hear ropes from two people in particular. 182 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:58,839 Speaker 2: Yes, they are asking for key testimony transcripts. 183 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 3: Yes, this happened around ten fifteen this morning. 184 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 2: It's taken a while for it to all take place 185 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:07,079 Speaker 2: in court because they had to bring Diddy back into court, 186 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 2: his mother, his sister, and by the way, his youngest 187 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 2: daughter I just saw is back in court today with 188 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 2: them as well, so he's got three members of his family, 189 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 2: but everyone had to get seated again, the defense and 190 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 2: the prosecution. So finally, this is what the jury said. 191 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 2: They would like to see the. 192 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 3: Specific transscripts up. 193 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 2: Number one, they want to see Cassie Ventura's testimony regarding 194 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 2: the Intercontinental incident, that, of course is the surveillance video 195 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:36,199 Speaker 2: that we've all seen. Number two, they want to see 196 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 2: Cassie Ventura's testimony concerns about the events at Cannes and 197 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:42,319 Speaker 2: the immediate and. 198 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 3: What happened afterwards. 199 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,839 Speaker 2: So they want to hear what she testified to about 200 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 2: what happened when she and Diddy went to can They 201 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 2: also want venturas testimony regarding interactions and freak offs, specifically 202 00:09:55,679 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 2: with the male escort Daniel Phillip. And they want Daniel 203 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 2: phillips testimony regarding the Essex Hotel incident with Ventur because 204 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 2: I believe that is the moment in which he said 205 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 2: she didn't want to continue the freak off he heard, 206 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:18,319 Speaker 2: he claims, he testified, did he slapping her around? There 207 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 2: was some beating going on, and then he told her 208 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 2: to get back in and continue the freak off. And 209 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 2: that's when Daniel Phillips said he couldn't actually perform because 210 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 2: of what he witnessed. He just wasn't able to get 211 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 2: heart basically. 212 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: So I don't know why. I mean, just it's just 213 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: fascinating to think of what's happening in the jury room 214 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: that they are focused on this particular guy. 215 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,439 Speaker 2: It's racketeering still, I believe because they're trying to this 216 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 2: is either kidnapping or this is sex trafficking within the 217 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 2: racketeering charge because that those are two of the or 218 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 2: coersion forced labor is another one of the crimes that 219 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 2: could fit the racketeer. So it could be any of 220 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 2: those things. 221 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: And it is fair to say, I mean, we don't 222 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: know how they are working in there, but does it 223 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: makes sense that they would do this one at a 224 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: time right right now? It's all racketeering, right right. We 225 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 1: haven't gotten to the other four. It seems again we 226 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: don't know. 227 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 2: It seems like they're checking off the racketeering charges to 228 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 2: see if there's enough to fit right, so the drug charges, 229 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 2: whether it's forced labor or sex trafficking, a corrosion, one 230 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 2: of those things, because I had to go back and 231 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,959 Speaker 2: look what happened in Can. But there were two parts 232 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 2: to her testimony about Can. One, she talked about getting 233 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,319 Speaker 2: kicked off the yacht without shoes and without her passport 234 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 2: because she and Diddy got into a fight over her. 235 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 2: He claimed she stole drugs from him. But then there 236 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 2: was also something she spoke about in the flight on 237 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 2: the way home from Can where she claimed that she 238 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 2: saw him watching videos of a freak off with her 239 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 2: that she thought he had deleted and showing them to 240 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 2: other people in a way that made her feel intimidated. 241 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 2: So it could be either one or both of that 242 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 2: part of her testimony. 243 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 1: Again reminder, he's they have to prove. They have to 244 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 1: be convinced that he committed crimes that he's actually not 245 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 1: charged with. That sounds crazy, but to be convicted of racketeering, 246 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: they have to be convinced you committed at least two 247 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: of this long list of other crimes. And so they're 248 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 1: having to go through and check off did he do kidnapping, arsery, arson, bribery, 249 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: forced labor transportation, to engage in prostitution, possession with the 250 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: intent to distribute, witness tampering. They have to go through 251 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: he said he did he do at least two of 252 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: these with one other person. If so, he's guilty of 253 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:47,679 Speaker 1: racketeering and he could possibly go to jail the rest 254 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: of his life. 255 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 3: Right, And that is the other key. 256 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 2: He had to conspire with someone in any of those 257 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 2: crimes you just listed off. He couldn't have done it 258 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,439 Speaker 2: on his own because that wouldn't be racketeering. He has 259 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 2: to do it with someone within his enterprise, as the 260 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 2: prosecution has called it. So that's even more confusing. Even 261 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 2: if you could say, okay, we think he did one 262 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:13,319 Speaker 2: or two or several of these things. 263 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 3: It wouldn't matter. 264 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 2: They have to actually believe and see that he did 265 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 2: it with a co conspirator. 266 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 3: That's wild to me. 267 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 2: That's why that specific charge, which again carries the longest 268 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 2: prison term life in prison up to life in prison, 269 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 2: is a bizarre crime that I don't think a lot 270 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 2: of us understand because it almost feels like a trumped 271 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 2: up charge or and I know it's a charge that 272 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 2: they use in mob bosses and other but it just 273 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 2: isn't one that I think many of us are very 274 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 2: familiar with. 275 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: We hear about it, right, I hear about it plenty, 276 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: and nobody could ever a rico case of Sean Diddy Colmbs. 277 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:55,079 Speaker 1: It's just this is what they're trying to piece get. Look, 278 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: the law is law, and they have used this before 279 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 1: in ways that this rico statue that has nothing to 280 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: do with Maha barses prosecutors have been using. Hey R. 281 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: Kelly is sitting in jail right now with a racketeering charge, 282 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: so they have used it before. It's it's hard and 283 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: it's fascinating here to try to piece together. This all 284 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:18,839 Speaker 1: has come about today after yesterday's I don't want to 285 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: call it rocky. It was a little bizarre, but I 286 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: don't know what to make of it. But it seems 287 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: everything is calmed down. We haven't heard anything more about 288 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: JURR number twenty five. 289 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, we have not gotten an update. 290 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 2: It seems as though I guess this is one of 291 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 2: those moments where you just figure no news is good news, 292 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 2: that somehow they figured it out, because right away there 293 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 2: must have just been a turbulent start or juring number 294 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 2: twenty five for whatever reason, the other jurors felt like 295 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 2: he was not willing to play nice, or he wasn't 296 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 2: willing to deliberate, or he wasn't willing to participate in 297 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 2: what they believed was what the judge told them to do, 298 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 2: which was to actually sit down and try to work 299 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 2: things out, and maybe he had already made up his mind. 300 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 3: That was our best guess. 301 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 2: I can't wait to hear one of the jurors come 302 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 2: out and explain what exactly was going on with jur 303 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 2: number twenty five, because I cannot think of another explanation 304 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 2: other than he had just already made up his mind 305 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 2: and did not want to have a conversation. 306 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: The judge, you know, send them back, said you all 307 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: keep doing your thing, and they have continued to do so. 308 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: But we I don't know. I'm holding my breath, it 309 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: seems because a verdict could come any moment in this trial, 310 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: any moment. But then every note that I've seen so far, 311 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: like wow, they're nowhere closes It almost aems like they're 312 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: just getting started. I know, well they kind of are, 313 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: but yesterday with the jury issue and then today with 314 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: these some of these questions they are. I do not 315 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: envy this group. So this is all civic duty. We're 316 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: all supposed to do. This is a responsibility, and they 317 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: are serving right now. 318 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 3: They certainly are. 319 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 2: And I can't help but wonder what the Diddy defense 320 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 2: team is thinking right now, because everyone always tries to 321 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 2: read the tea leaves about where the jurors are with 322 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 2: the questions they ask or the transcripts they want to see. 323 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 2: And I don't know if this feels scary to them, 324 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 2: if this is reassuring to them. I can't even imagine 325 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 2: what this Every single little bit of information that comes 326 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 2: down has to just be so jarring for the team, 327 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 2: for Diddy, for his mother. Even that's why he said, 328 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 2: you know, calm down, it's gonna be all right. But 329 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 2: I just can't imagine what that would be like when 330 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 2: your life is on the line. 331 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: All right, well, folk, we are keeping a very close 332 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: eye on it. A reminder of the jury yesterday left 333 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: at five. That was their their choice, but the judge 334 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: said he was going to leave it up to them 335 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: when they wanted to and how they wanted to work 336 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: during the day, so we could expect them possibly to 337 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: keep bankers hours they're going to work nine to five, 338 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: it seems every single day. But man fourth of July 339 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: is coming, and that's got to be a motivating factor 340 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: for this group. 341 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 3: It has to be. It certainly has to be. 342 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 2: But we of course will keep our eye on that 343 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 2: Manhattan Courthouse and we will jump in jump back on 344 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 2: your feet if there are any updates to give you. 345 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 2: But until then, I want to thank you for listening 346 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 2: to us. I am robot on behalf of my partner T. J. Holmes. 347 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 2: Hope you'll have a great day.