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Speaker 1: It's another week of Dallas Cowboys football for the two
Speaker 1: thousand and eighteen season. First full week of two thousand nineteen,
Speaker 1: and it's always a good thing when your NFL season
Speaker 1: extends into the new year. It's actually a Tuesday out
Speaker 1: here at the Star because it's another Saturday night game
Speaker 1: this week at the Los Angeles Rams. What a night
Speaker 1: it was on Saturday. And happy you could join us
Speaker 1: here on a Monday morning, a spring like Monday morning
Speaker 1: in the Metroplex. It feels like March madness outside with
Speaker 1: the humidity in sixty five degrees. Hello, Brian brought us.
Speaker 1: How are you doing well? Thanks? Bill? Good to be
Speaker 1: fighting for another week. Yes, how about you? Rob Phillips,
Speaker 1: how are you doing great? Yesterday turned out to be
Speaker 1: a Monday at seven o'clock with a missfield goal by
Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears. All of a sudden, Hey, coach Garrett
Speaker 1: conference call, it's like a Monday. So here we go.
Speaker 1: It's like a Tuesday. Now here we are. Yes, the
Speaker 1: week is just motoring along in the season, motors along, Mickey,
Speaker 1: another week of talking Cowboys. That's right. A full week,
Speaker 1: full week. And wow, what a game on Saturday night,
Speaker 1: And what a defensive performance by the Cowboys against the
Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks run defense. The story of that game, no
Speaker 1: no question about it. You had a bunch of guys
Speaker 1: playing square up front, and that's what you have to do.
Speaker 1: You don't get these guys any gaps or creases to
Speaker 1: let him run the football. But I thought the tackle
Speaker 1: play was excellent. You know, we talked coming into the game.
Speaker 1: We kind of thought about that the Seahawks were having
Speaker 1: some problems with their with their interior, their offensive line,
Speaker 1: and you know they had Dj Fluker starting back after
Speaker 1: the hamstring. Sweezy was a little nicked up himself, but
Speaker 1: that didn't matter. Those guys inside Woods and Malie Collins, Crawford,
Speaker 1: all those guys, and they got an opportunity to play
Speaker 1: against this bunch in the front and then stop the run.
Speaker 1: It was exceptional. Give the linebackers a lot of credit
Speaker 1: for filling the run fits and stuff. When you play
Speaker 1: good run defense, you got to play square and that's
Speaker 1: what they did a great job of doing last last
Speaker 1: time out. You know, Chris Carson came into the game
Speaker 1: the NFC Offensive Player of the Month and he had
Speaker 1: rushed for more than five hundred yards over the month,
Speaker 1: thirteen for twenty. Yeah, thirteen for twenty and they were
Speaker 1: twenty four for seventy three, but they had a twenty
Speaker 1: eight yard on so that means it was twenty three
Speaker 1: for forty five. They leaked the one to Penny. Other
Speaker 1: than that, they shut down their their running game. And
Speaker 1: I I and it's a it's a darn good thing
Speaker 1: because the opportunities they had in the passing game to
Speaker 1: hit big plays, uh, they hit. But if they had
Speaker 1: the running game going to the Cowboys likely would have
Speaker 1: been in trouble. They had nine yards in the first quarter.
Speaker 1: Seattle did nine And to Mickey's point, I thought they
Speaker 1: were Seattle was a little stubborn with the run game.
Speaker 1: To be honest, what do you think they're talking about
Speaker 1: on talking Seahawks this morning? I should have been throwing
Speaker 1: the ball. Well, but that's what they do exactly that well,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's that's how they got here exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't. I mean, I know what you're gonna say,
Speaker 1: and they and they use playoffs, play action off of it. Sure, sure,
Speaker 1: but they had some success hitting some pass plays deep
Speaker 1: at some point when you've got I think they had
Speaker 1: three straight three announced to open the game. At point
Speaker 1: you get behind, and I know you don't want to panic,
Speaker 1: but I was surprised that they stayed conservative way. I
Speaker 1: know they run the ball away do but you do
Speaker 1: have a Hall of Fame caliber quarterback there, and in
Speaker 1: a way, I thought it did the Cowboys a favor.
Speaker 1: But you got to give them credit. They didn't get
Speaker 1: enough credit for stopping the run in the first game.
Speaker 1: They did a nice job against Carson in the first game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a big pass play locket that kind of
Speaker 1: opened things up, and they made some mistakes offensively. They
Speaker 1: didn't make those mistakes this time. But it's like Carroll decided,
Speaker 1: especially after the rebuild job they were doing on their
Speaker 1: team coming into this season, that they needed to run
Speaker 1: the football, run the football, run the football, and the
Speaker 1: game never got away from him, and the Cowboys finally
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter got up ten on them, and
Speaker 1: so they were It was playing out like he probably
Speaker 1: envisioned it, would you know, even though they weren't having
Speaker 1: success running the ball, he wanted them to continue to
Speaker 1: be persistent with it. Well, if you think about it,
Speaker 1: that's you know, that game against the Cowboys when they
Speaker 1: kind of changed their philosophy we're gonna run the football.
Speaker 1: They ran it thirty nine times and only ran it
Speaker 1: for one hundred and eighteen yards, But they were persistent,
Speaker 1: and if you think about it, they only scored two
Speaker 1: fewer points than they did the first time around. Now,
Speaker 1: the key thing was, and you know, they had six
Speaker 1: plays in the pass game for one hundred and ninety
Speaker 1: four yards. Six one hundred ninety four yards. They had
Speaker 1: two ninety nine in the game. That meant the other
Speaker 1: forty six plays went for one hundred and five. So
Speaker 1: they hit the big plays. They scored. But the difference
Speaker 1: was the Cowboys didn't give them anything like they did
Speaker 1: the first time around. The Cowboys didn't beat themselves like
Speaker 1: they did the first time around. Zeke didn't catch a
Speaker 1: pass and go thirty yards for a touchdown, but step
Speaker 1: out of bounds before he caught the pass. This time around,
Speaker 1: he ran for one hundred and thirty seven. And I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what, he had his big boy jersey and
Speaker 1: pants on in that game. Yeah, you'll need him again
Speaker 1: this week. Absolutely. Yeah. It's the thing with it. You know,
Speaker 1: to beat the Seahawks, they did exactly what they had
Speaker 1: to do. You know, they make you s right, don't
Speaker 1: beat yourself, and then you know, beat yourself. The Seahawks
Speaker 1: is giving them turnovers. You know, they were plus fifteen
Speaker 1: going into this game and then to only get one,
Speaker 1: I think is pretty remarkable. From the Cowboys perspective. You know,
Speaker 1: once again, this team is gonna this team, the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: to me, is going to continue to ride or die
Speaker 1: with their defense. That's you know, that's just what they are.
Speaker 1: And we were talking about the Seahawks and that's how
Speaker 1: they got here by running the football. Well, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: really got here by playing great defense and that's what
Speaker 1: they've been able to do. And you know, to to
Speaker 1: limit the Seahawks the way they were, yeah, yeah, they
Speaker 1: give up some big pass plays, but you knew going
Speaker 1: into the game that that that's the possibility With Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson and these receivers. I mean, that fourth, the fourth
Speaker 1: and sixth play. You can't throw the ball any better
Speaker 1: than what heat threw it to get it to convert
Speaker 1: that fourth down. That was just a beautiful pass. And yeah,
Speaker 1: there might have been holding on the play, you know,
Speaker 1: but these officials, Wald Anderson, his crew, they were not
Speaker 1: gonna let it. They were gonna let him play it out.
Speaker 1: And he just threw a beautifu ball and then's and
Speaker 1: that's what you gotta have. I mean, and they you know.
Speaker 1: But for the most part, I thought the Cowboys held
Speaker 1: him held up very very well defensively, and it allowed
Speaker 1: them to kind of gain some traction offensively in the
Speaker 1: second half. No one thing Jason Garrett talked about too
Speaker 1: different from the first game is and multiple guys said this,
Speaker 1: guys and coaches, they were a little more aggressive in
Speaker 1: rushing Russell Wilson than that first game. You know, you
Speaker 1: focus so much on being disciplined and you know, keep
Speaker 1: him in the well and all that, but if you're
Speaker 1: not aggressive enough, that gives him opportunities to do what
Speaker 1: he wants to do. So I thought they did a
Speaker 1: better job of just getting up field and getting after
Speaker 1: him and instead of worrying a little bit at Rod
Speaker 1: Marinelli said it during the week. If you slow down,
Speaker 1: then you get yourself in trouble. You gotta get after him.
Speaker 1: And they did a better job of it. The front
Speaker 1: seven was outstanding, and we're seeing this linebackers continue to
Speaker 1: float to the ball. The overall team speed on defense.
Speaker 1: It makes us a dangerous team going forward. We'll see
Speaker 1: what happens Saturday. But they're dangerous. You know. One of
Speaker 1: the things that I noticed, and they can go back
Speaker 1: and count it up, but when they were like blitzing, yea,
Speaker 1: the linebackers, vander Esh was blitzing off the left side.
Speaker 1: So if if they pushed him in the middle, right,
Speaker 1: where does he go? He rolls to his right right
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, oh here comes fifty five.
Speaker 1: On that one third down play which he ended up
Speaker 1: throwing high on the outpass, vander Esh is right in
Speaker 1: his face uh and and so yeah, it was it
Speaker 1: was a good way to keep him uh in the pocket.
Speaker 1: They did a better job of that. But we talk
Speaker 1: about the defense. They did score twenty four points right right,
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong, but that was the most
Speaker 1: anybody scored this weekend, right, Yeah, how about that? So
Speaker 1: much for video game offense? Right, yeah, well you got
Speaker 1: some video game offense, yes, play in this coming week though,
Speaker 1: we'll see. There's I mean, there's a reason those uh,
Speaker 1: those video game offenses got first round buys. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: in both conferences. But we saw both those offenses. You know,
Speaker 1: those poet totals dropped a little bit in December, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure, and so we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1: But weren't any fifty four fifty one games in December,
Speaker 1: but you're right, Kansas City Saints Rams, they were all
Speaker 1: off Patriots too. We'll see what happens, yep um. All right, So,
Speaker 1: as yesterday played out, obviously the preference for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: would be for the Eagles to win that game because
Speaker 1: its the opportunity if things fall in place this week,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys win and an Eagles win, you can host
Speaker 1: an NFC championship game. That's true, hope next week. But wow,
Speaker 1: wasn't it something the way that thing played out at
Speaker 1: the end. Well, and I'll tell you what though. To me,
Speaker 1: I don't know about you guys, and I think we all,
Speaker 1: I think everybody here picked Philadelphia to win. I think
Speaker 1: we did that. Yeah, we all said Philadelphia. I picked
Speaker 1: the Bears to be different. Okay, well, the thing is
Speaker 1: that the Bears are. The Bears are a year away
Speaker 1: in my opinion, especially with that quarterback. Playoff experience matters,
Speaker 1: it really does. You look at what you know the
Speaker 1: really all all game long, Philadelphia was kind of struggle along.
Speaker 1: But what happened. They had to have a drive. Who
Speaker 1: did they have to go to? You know, they went
Speaker 1: They leaned on their quarterback. At the end, he made
Speaker 1: a play on a guy that they traded for, you know,
Speaker 1: much like that of the Cowboys. But what do they do?
Speaker 1: They drafted a kid, they threw the battle a tight end.
Speaker 1: They got another tight end. That's tremendous. You know, those
Speaker 1: guys there's a reason why that. The you know, when
Speaker 1: you get in the playoffs, you have to lean on
Speaker 1: guys like that, and they were able to do that.
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, I just didn't feel like that
Speaker 1: the Bears could sustain enough, you know, they just I
Speaker 1: didn't feel like that they were gonna go and and
Speaker 1: finish this thing off. Their defense was supposed to be
Speaker 1: the reason why, and their defense actually gave it up
Speaker 1: at the end, falls gets the ball with four minutes.
Speaker 1: You're kind of like, oh, yeah, they've they've been in
Speaker 1: this situation. He's been in the situation. Yeah. Well, and
Speaker 1: then they get it down to a fourth down play
Speaker 1: and help out with a minute left, and Doug Peterson's
Speaker 1: got three time outs left, right, Okay, they's got them
Speaker 1: back down facing fourth and goal at the two yard line.
Speaker 1: If you don't make it, you're gonna get the football
Speaker 1: back if you hold him right, because you got the
Speaker 1: three timeouts in your hip pocket, right, And he used
Speaker 1: one and he uses one. Yeah, and I was shouting
Speaker 1: at the TV, go on, how can you game's over?
Speaker 1: He's putting everything on that fourth down play. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: he wanted to make sure he had the right playing Yes,
Speaker 1: but he you know, we've always you know, when you
Speaker 1: talk about coaching and stuff like that, there's game management questions.
Speaker 1: He felt like the point in time he needed to
Speaker 1: win the game. I mean that's yeah, he's thinking I
Speaker 1: might not you know, even even if I get but
Speaker 1: he took any Yeah, he took any chance he had
Speaker 1: out of that. But yeah, I I I I'm okay,
Speaker 1: get the right play. Well, but get the right play. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I mean it did. But but but get the right
Speaker 1: play that I mean. I And it's funny because I
Speaker 1: was watching the game with my folks and I said,
Speaker 1: whatever his best two point play is, he needs to
Speaker 1: run it, and then and then here's the question. Then
Speaker 1: and then who was doing the announcing Collinsworth goes whatever
Speaker 1: his best two point play and my dad looked at
Speaker 1: me like, you know, I'm like, yeah, that's what you
Speaker 1: gotta do. I mean, whatever your best two point play is,
Speaker 1: you gotta work right here. Why they getting a good
Speaker 1: two point yeah, I mean, why would you use your
Speaker 1: best two point play on on any one of the
Speaker 1: three previous plays? Yeah? Well you know what a game
Speaker 1: credit though? They tried to run. They tried you know,
Speaker 1: the middle two. Yeah, you say, okay, let's try. I
Speaker 1: mean you're thinking all the game long that they're having
Speaker 1: to throw the football. I mean, justless the game of
Speaker 1: the radio was driving home and James Lofton's like, you
Speaker 1: gotta they can't run, you gotta throw, you gotta throw
Speaker 1: the ball. You just gotta keep throwing it. And you
Speaker 1: know they did. They threw it. That's what's funny about
Speaker 1: it is Doug Peterson, you know, last year, gets all
Speaker 1: the credit for all the inventive plays and two point
Speaker 1: plays and stuff like that. And so the Bears are
Speaker 1: sitting there. They've stopped him three straight times and all
Speaker 1: they did had to do is stop him one more
Speaker 1: time on a two point conversion. Basically, it's what it
Speaker 1: came down to. Yeah, I guess they used up the
Speaker 1: Philly Special already, kind of out of ideas, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but but I mean trying to run it. I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe that's you don't want to turn over in that situation.
Speaker 1: That's the last thing you want, so maybe that's what
Speaker 1: you try to do first. And then you know, the
Speaker 1: guy leaks out in the back of the end zone
Speaker 1: right at the end. Is a good playing. But having
Speaker 1: said that, don't let the playoff game come down to
Speaker 1: a kicker, just don't. Because they allowed him to come
Speaker 1: right down the field and in position for a makeable
Speaker 1: field goal. Look like you got tipped von Hester? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that tip trayvon Hester is trending on Twitter this morning
Speaker 1: because finally people went back and looked at the tape
Speaker 1: and sure enough, you look like he tipped the ball?
Speaker 1: Did he get how I mean? How much did he
Speaker 1: get because it started right down the middle and then
Speaker 1: it enough enough to enough to make it go left. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but no, it did a close up view and I'm
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna go see I should have done that
Speaker 1: this morning. I went in here and started looking at
Speaker 1: the rams already. But I'm gonna see if on that
Speaker 1: special teams if you could actually tell it. But it
Speaker 1: looks like from from the from the close up angles
Speaker 1: that were I saw this morning that that he got
Speaker 1: a hand on the ball so or partially got a
Speaker 1: hand on the ball or finger on the ball. That
Speaker 1: kind of changed the trajectory a little bit, which is
Speaker 1: weird because I guarantee you for twenty yards that thing
Speaker 1: was good. All of a sudden, there it goes. And
Speaker 1: how many times he had to set a record this year?
Speaker 1: Five times for hitting? No, he didn't one four one game,
Speaker 1: six six times six time overall? Yeah he went he
Speaker 1: went doink four times this time, Yeah, four times against
Speaker 1: the Lions, one time against the Vikings last week, and
Speaker 1: then this one this week. Right, he gets too this
Speaker 1: time just booed off the field mercilessly. Did you see
Speaker 1: the Bears mascots sideways? I didn't see he was behind
Speaker 1: the gold post ready to you know ed he just
Speaker 1: they should have put the bands on. Suicide wise, well,
Speaker 1: your whole season, twelve wins, young quarterback. You think he
Speaker 1: got momentum and it comes down to that, well touchdowns,
Speaker 1: well they did. They didn't get that too. A two
Speaker 1: point conversion they didn't get turned out to be really
Speaker 1: costly to only go up five instead of seven. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was really the play of the game right there,
Speaker 1: when you think about it, Yeah, it really was. The
Speaker 1: The thing about it though, two is that I believe
Speaker 1: if I read correctly that Parky was eleven of twelve
Speaker 1: and fourth quarter kicks he was. They flashed it down
Speaker 1: the script. Well, and before they iced him, that first
Speaker 1: kick looked perfect, right, It was good right down the middle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was good. That's because there was no pressure because
Speaker 1: he knew there was going to crop time out. Probably
Speaker 1: he said, okay, I'm just gonna take a warm up
Speaker 1: shot here. Yeah. Well, at least didn't come down to
Speaker 1: your kicker having to make one. Yeah, that would have
Speaker 1: been the same reaction. You know, fans would have been
Speaker 1: on watch as well if you missed that one. But
Speaker 1: the dude sat in front of his locker and answered questions. Yeah,
Speaker 1: sure did give him credit. Sports hate going on right there.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I hate to see that. Yeah, but it
Speaker 1: makes for an interesting week this weekend. How about the
Speaker 1: storylines that we are going to be talking about for
Speaker 1: the next few days. Here, you're leading up to this
Speaker 1: Cowboys Rams matchup, starting with the running backs Zeke and Gurley.
Speaker 1: You got Wade Phillips, the defensive coordinator on the other side. Um,
Speaker 1: I mean there's there's and really you look at the
Speaker 1: history of the Cowboys in the Rams. I've seen a
Speaker 1: lot of playoff games my day. Yeah. Yeah. There was
Speaker 1: a stretch there of six seasons in the late seven
Speaker 1: mid to late seventies where the Cowboys are Rams every
Speaker 1: game there. I was very five. Six years in the playoffs,
Speaker 1: Preston Pearson had one of the great games I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: It was played the call scene by a running back.
Speaker 1: I mean he cut three touchdown passes in that game.
Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys were underdogs in that one as well.
Speaker 1: It was Yeah, they It was a great history between
Speaker 1: these two franchises when it comes to when it comes
Speaker 1: to playoff games, and they've lost the last two to them, right,
Speaker 1: five was the last time the three playoffs which one
Speaker 1: day they get shut out. One of them they got
Speaker 1: shut out. I think it was the most recent one.
Speaker 1: Twenty to nothing, Yeah, twenty to nothing again beat in
Speaker 1: eighty three two. Yeah. Yeah. The other storyline is too
Speaker 1: Wade Phillips, Wade Phillips. But you know, Jared Goff goes,
Speaker 1: would you go number one in twenty sixteen, Yes, yep,
Speaker 1: Zeke goes three picks later, and then you know Daki
Speaker 1: Scots worked out pretty well in the one hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty something picks later. Yeah, yeah, with a compensatory pick.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. A lot a lot going on. I think
Speaker 1: I think a lot of the back and forth this
Speaker 1: week is going to be ken. The Cowboys defense play
Speaker 1: is what it needs to at the level to stop
Speaker 1: the Rams, and I think both. I think that you're
Speaker 1: gonna look at the Rams defense. We we're surely going
Speaker 1: to talk about you know, Aaron Donald quite a bit.
Speaker 1: Rams struck. Yeah, Rams struggled playing run defense though five
Speaker 1: over five yards to carry a little bit. Now, maybe
Speaker 1: that's a little bit about you know, being ahead, being
Speaker 1: aheading games and stuff like that. But I'll tell you
Speaker 1: what though, the storyline will be about the Cowboys defense
Speaker 1: and the Rams offense. But again, don't sleep on the
Speaker 1: on the Cowboys offense. You know, as far as you know,
Speaker 1: they we're seeing some some better things. I mean with
Speaker 1: I'm sure Sue Sue Field will be back in there
Speaker 1: at left guard. But Connor Williams wasn't terrible in this game.
Speaker 1: And the one sack they gave up was on a
Speaker 1: twist stunt that they tried to man where they'd passed
Speaker 1: some stunts earlier in the game, I mean passing passing
Speaker 1: guys off. They just got caught in a situation where
Speaker 1: you know, Clark just the they did it. They did
Speaker 1: a couple of twist stunts to that side, and they
Speaker 1: did it just find picking it up. It was just
Speaker 1: that once one time they had they had problems, but
Speaker 1: so so I saw that they manned the Scnor not
Speaker 1: supposed to come off and pick him up in the middle.
Speaker 1: They manned it. And know how was Tyran was supposed
Speaker 1: to get over there in time. That's that's how they
Speaker 1: That's how the long way to go. Yeah, well, they
Speaker 1: they they usually what they'll do is they usually will
Speaker 1: bump the stunt and at that particular time, it might
Speaker 1: be something to do with protection. It might be a scheme,
Speaker 1: uh thought that they have that. They just played the
Speaker 1: twist as a man twist and they and it's it's
Speaker 1: a tough way to block if you're gonna man stunts,
Speaker 1: and you know, you have to be able to to
Speaker 1: make that work. I mean you have to be able
Speaker 1: to cross behind the block and pick it up. But
Speaker 1: that was that was the only blemish that offensive line
Speaker 1: really had. When it came to pass protection. They did
Speaker 1: a pretty good job holding up against the group that's
Speaker 1: that's got some pass rushers on it. It was that
Speaker 1: sort of a situation where the Seahawks had the right
Speaker 1: the right call for they ran. They ran the stunt
Speaker 1: earlier in the game and got blocked and then and
Speaker 1: then they came back to it and got a got
Speaker 1: a sack. So it's something that they obviously felt like
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys would man the would man the stunt
Speaker 1: and they got him for the one time. The other
Speaker 1: time they didn't, but that time they did so. But
Speaker 1: I they tip of the cap to Connor Williams. There
Speaker 1: was a lot of concern about how well he could
Speaker 1: really play. We talked about how well he could fit though.
Speaker 1: In the running game, he was able to get up
Speaker 1: on the second level a couple of different times, you know,
Speaker 1: better than what probably we would see from Sue a
Speaker 1: philo and effect. If you look at the quarterback run
Speaker 1: on third and fifteen, he threw a key block. He
Speaker 1: and Martin, Zack Martin threw key blocks to get to
Speaker 1: in their lucky They didn't get a block in the
Speaker 1: back down field on Blake Jarwin though, that was close.
Speaker 1: But other than that, I mean, I thought the guy
Speaker 1: played a really he's not a freshman anymore. He played well,
Speaker 1: played well. You talked about in the running game, trying
Speaker 1: to attack those edges against Seattle, I did. Zeke's two
Speaker 1: big runs were bounced outside, although the forty four yard
Speaker 1: looked like a bust by Seattle. Yeah, they got caught.
Speaker 1: They got caught trying to pack things down inside though
Speaker 1: when it bounced though, their guys got were too far
Speaker 1: inside on the play. Yeah, but he did a nice job,
Speaker 1: Yeah he did. Yeah. But I mean going forward, looking
Speaker 1: at left guard, we talked when we talk about Sue
Speaker 1: Filo's power, it doesn't get more of a strength on
Speaker 1: power matchup than this one. I mean, Sue and Donald
Speaker 1: in the middle. Yeah, Donald's the Donald. The problem with
Speaker 1: Donald is going to be the quickness and to do speed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when that initial step, that's that's what gives everybody problems
Speaker 1: is the fact he's built so low to the ground
Speaker 1: that you really he doesn't give you much of a
Speaker 1: hitting space when you're talking about your hands. And then
Speaker 1: so when he wins on that first step, when that
Speaker 1: first step, you know, when he's able to dip a
Speaker 1: shoulder or or you know, or kind of just get
Speaker 1: underneath you, then he's that's where he's got the leverage
Speaker 1: to play and just to keep moving. But yeah, he's
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's not gonna be an easy matchup
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys at all. And that'll be an interesting
Speaker 1: decision there about Suafilo or Connor Williams. Yeah, because I
Speaker 1: think Williams. I only saw one other play when I
Speaker 1: went back and watched it, he kind of whiffed on.
Speaker 1: But other than that and and that one, it wasn't
Speaker 1: like he locked on to the guy he was blocking, said,
Speaker 1: oh I should have gone there. He stayed with the guy.
Speaker 1: Oh no, he did his job. If you're gonna man
Speaker 1: the stunt, he blocked this guy very well. It. Tyren
Speaker 1: Smith was one now again that if you if you're
Speaker 1: gonna man stunts, you got to be able to cross
Speaker 1: if you're gon to do that. And Tyren just got caught,
Speaker 1: got caught too far to the outside and couldn't get
Speaker 1: back to the inside. And next you know, Clark was
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Speaker 1: over the Seahawks and let's call roll. Yes, I was
Speaker 1: wearing mine, me too, and affirmative. All right, there you go.
Speaker 1: It worked again. But I had my road graze on,
Speaker 1: did you yes, Okay, three in a row now, ye,
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Speaker 1: it again this week? Yes, I have in la. I'll
Speaker 1: have to wash before. We got a short week. You
Speaker 1: got plenty of time, mickey. And we did not take
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Speaker 1: I thought about taking a picture Saturday afternoon and sending
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Speaker 1: for everybody out there. All right, So where we go here?
Speaker 1: It is you want to take a phone call and
Speaker 1: you want to see what's going great, then test the
Speaker 1: temperature out there. You think people are happy? I think
Speaker 1: we're not going to find any complaints. Do you think
Speaker 1: you ever be a lot of cowboy fans in the stands.
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to predict thirty Memorial Coliseum thirty thousand,
Speaker 1: thirty thousand Cowboys fans. Wow, so we're saying, yeah, what
Speaker 1: are they? Probably about one hundred thousand in it? Well,
Speaker 1: they kind of refigured the stadium. I don't know, because
Speaker 1: they put in some sweet then, right, so yeah, they
Speaker 1: got to have at least seventy or seventy thousand eighty. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we need to look that up. Hmm. All those folks
Speaker 1: from Arizona, there'll be a caravan coming to Southern Ticket
Speaker 1: for San Diego. The tickets are really high. Yeah. After
Speaker 1: the Parky kick was the tickets went way up. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: way up. I can understand that with the Cowboys coming
Speaker 1: to town. Let's go to Ron in California. Maybe he
Speaker 1: can give us an idea of the excitement level out there. Hello,
Speaker 1: we're on. Hey, how you guys doing good? Yeah, tickets
Speaker 1: are pretty high. I think the cheaper ticket you can
Speaker 1: find to sit high up it's about five dollars on
Speaker 1: how much? Yeah, last night I paid about four hundred
Speaker 1: fifty dollars for two tickets. Uh so yeah, just about
Speaker 1: over a thousand dollars when you include seas and uh
Speaker 1: on Saturday, it's supposed to be pretty rainy out here,
Speaker 1: so it won't be that that nice drun game time problem. Mum.
Speaker 1: But my question was last year when we played the Rams, um,
Speaker 1: Sean McVay and Jared Goff and talking early really took
Speaker 1: advantage of Jevin Smith. Um, so what do you think
Speaker 1: the Cowboys would try to do this year? What did
Speaker 1: try to you know, use or to lewis the same
Speaker 1: way they use them during the Saints game, or whether
Speaker 1: they tried, you know, to you know, put Byron Jones
Speaker 1: on girly or something like that. And I'll take you answer,
Speaker 1: I'll find Thank you, all right, thank you, Ron? And Um. Well,
Speaker 1: first and foremost, don't fumble a punt when you're ready
Speaker 1: to go up seventeen to nothing. You got a good
Speaker 1: memory there making oh he yeah, Ryan Switzer costs them
Speaker 1: the season. He did. Yeah, they were going to put
Speaker 1: that team away. They scored on their first what two drives? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: playing the game, no doubt about it. Second half was
Speaker 1: a different story. Yep. In that game ye last year
Speaker 1: played at at and T Stadium. You know, one question
Speaker 1: for them is Girly's health now it's the last two games. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Sean McVay said he thinks he'll probably be good to
Speaker 1: go practice tomorrow, but he's had some knee soreness and
Speaker 1: I think it goes back to college. Is that right something? Yeah, George,
Speaker 1: he's had to deal with a little bit about his career.
Speaker 1: But man, I've been watching the Philadelphia game. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: he's a great player. I mean, there's so many things
Speaker 1: they do with him, and you know, you think about
Speaker 1: the great things they do with Zeke here, you know,
Speaker 1: but think about this, the way they throw the ball
Speaker 1: and stuff. I mean, they create things for Gurley to
Speaker 1: do in the passing game. I think this screen against
Speaker 1: Philadelphia that's incredible. The way they ran it. It's like
Speaker 1: a delay where they have him blocking on the back
Speaker 1: side and they roll the pocket to the right and
Speaker 1: then they you know, they get everybody going right and
Speaker 1: then they just set it back up to the left.
Speaker 1: And McVeigh is a pretty creative guy as far as
Speaker 1: how he gets Gurly the ball. But he just naturally
Speaker 1: this handing the ball. It seems like he's just gliding
Speaker 1: for five yards, just like you know, the Eagles looks
Speaker 1: like they're in good shape, and then bam, he's It's
Speaker 1: like a four or five yard game just instantly and
Speaker 1: then he you know, he gets tackling stuff. So I mean,
Speaker 1: if he if they've rested him the last three weeks,
Speaker 1: I expect you'll probably see the best version of Todd
Speaker 1: Gurley in this game. I have to play him the least, No, No,
Speaker 1: but why play him? Like I said, I've just got
Speaker 1: started on the Eagles game, but it just seemed, man,
Speaker 1: it's just the way the way he runs the ball
Speaker 1: is so impressive. It really really is. He's clearly you
Speaker 1: want to and you don't even to tell you he's
Speaker 1: one of the best running backs in this league just
Speaker 1: because they the way too again they throw him the balls.
Speaker 1: That's impressive as well. And he scores touchdowns, yeah, a
Speaker 1: lot of them, seventeen rushing touchdowns I think maybe six
Speaker 1: receiving touchdowns this year. The big differences between his production
Speaker 1: during the regular season and what Zeke had six rushing
Speaker 1: touchdowns on the year. Gurley the first team All Pro
Speaker 1: running back. Zeke was snubbed on that even though he
Speaker 1: was the rushing leader. How much do you think he
Speaker 1: was second team? Yeah, but he was snubbed as far
Speaker 1: as first team goes touchdowns. But how much do you
Speaker 1: think Zeke is motivated by any of that stuff. I
Speaker 1: think Zeke's just motivated just to win the game. I
Speaker 1: don't I don't think he's worried about Gurley or in a
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, they switched. They exchanged jerseys the
Speaker 1: last time. I think there's a lot of respect between
Speaker 1: the two. I think motivation is the fact that that
Speaker 1: all week long we're gonna be talking about the rams
Speaker 1: ability with Girly to run the football. I think that's
Speaker 1: I think that's something that you know they have. It
Speaker 1: really it's a dynamic offense. But I think that if
Speaker 1: there's motivation, it's like, you know, Okay, we can block two,
Speaker 1: we can run the football. You know, I'm I'm leading
Speaker 1: rusher in the in the league. I don't think that.
Speaker 1: I don't think Zeke will get overshadowed, but I think
Speaker 1: his motivation will be to just because just to try
Speaker 1: and go on to play well and to carry this
Speaker 1: team the best he can. Yeah, this defense is going
Speaker 1: to have their bulletin board material too. It's going to
Speaker 1: remind you of the Saints week of Man, these guys,
Speaker 1: they put up thirty three points a game, how do
Speaker 1: you stop them? All that? So I think I think,
Speaker 1: especially this defense thrives with a chip on their shoulder,
Speaker 1: I really do, and that they're going to have no
Speaker 1: shortage of it this week. There's no need for extra
Speaker 1: motivation once it comes to the playoffs, right, No, that's that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, But I feel like these guys are constantly
Speaker 1: looking for some an extra edge, an extra edge, and
Speaker 1: it goes back to being three and five. You hear
Speaker 1: it some of the comments they'll make after games about
Speaker 1: everybody writing them off. You hear it constantly. They've used
Speaker 1: that as fuel all season long, and you know, of
Speaker 1: course the playoffs are big, but I think they've got
Speaker 1: something to prove. I really do. You know. I think
Speaker 1: the best motivation that a coach can do would be
Speaker 1: to how much how much money do they make each
Speaker 1: week in the playoffs. So maybe the Cowboys I believe
Speaker 1: it was twenty nine thousand and four winning this the
Speaker 1: wild card, right right, And let's say it's a bumps
Speaker 1: up another ten. I think, let's say it's thirty thousand whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: put thirty thousand dollars in a jar. Yeah, and let
Speaker 1: them walk by that every single day. That's what you're
Speaker 1: playing for this week, and that will be the motivation. People.
Speaker 1: People don't think about the fact that, hey, all the
Speaker 1: money you're making now, yeah, and the playoffs, your your
Speaker 1: salary is based on the regular season. All the money
Speaker 1: you're making and now is winning this game. That's how
Speaker 1: you that's how you make more money. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I've seen I've seen the guys lose that playoff check
Speaker 1: on one hand of cards in a boot ray game.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I can get paid for losing. But but no,
Speaker 1: the thing about it is, yeah, you know, motivation to
Speaker 1: me will not not be a problem here. This This
Speaker 1: is one of those things where you look, you know,
Speaker 1: and again the narrative, the motivation will the motivation generally
Speaker 1: comes from us. But I mean us meaning the media,
Speaker 1: because we talk about and then and we'll talk about it,
Speaker 1: and the show's Good Morning Football all week long. You
Speaker 1: know they'll they'll hear it, they'll hear and get I
Speaker 1: trust you, they'll trust me. There'll be some national writers
Speaker 1: here now when you get in the playoffs. Now, we'll
Speaker 1: start to see those now and then we'll see their
Speaker 1: stories and they'll be like, oh, this is gonna happen,
Speaker 1: this is gonna happen. They'll see people say, oh, they
Speaker 1: can't stop this, and they can't do that. I mean,
Speaker 1: the motivation is not a problem. The motivation will be
Speaker 1: to go play well and try and get this thing
Speaker 1: to the NFC championship game. That's that's the motivation. They
Speaker 1: we're all ready here Saturday night. Yeah, the national right
Speaker 1: sure coming in. Yeah. And the other motivation is you're
Speaker 1: playing before the other game. So in your mind, if
Speaker 1: I win, I'm I'm hosting the NFC title game if
Speaker 1: the Eagles win. But the Eagles play after them, so
Speaker 1: they don't know that, right, They'll play Sunday, they plays
Speaker 1: play Sunday, they play Sunday. So when the Cowboys play,
Speaker 1: in their mind, if we win, we could host. We could. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there is the operative word, yeah could. Yeah. Well, at
Speaker 1: that point you are because you are already won. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: follow my logic. Please we try. I just like watching
Speaker 1: watch that doesn't make sense. Made perfect sense to me,
Speaker 1: of course it did. Injury issues coming out of this game.
Speaker 1: There are a few injury issues. Yeah, well, Alan Hearns
Speaker 1: is well. Yeah, and uh fortun it sounds like he'll
Speaker 1: be able to make a comeback for next season. But
Speaker 1: just a horrific injury. Uh. And I didn't watch it.
Speaker 1: I mean I saw the play, but I didn't watch
Speaker 1: the replay. When they showed it, I knew I could
Speaker 1: tell just by the reaction that it was bad, and
Speaker 1: so I refused to watch it. Yesterday. Yesterday I went
Speaker 1: back and watched it and I paused it. It was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I screamed, it was awful. Yeah, you could see from
Speaker 1: our press box seat what happened, and that's all I needed.
Speaker 1: I just know my ankle doesn't go at ninety turn yep. Yep.
Speaker 1: But you said full recovery. That's what Jason conference call up, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was described to me as and I
Speaker 1: will see if I can get the explanation here. Very
Speaker 1: similar to the des ankle injury at Indianapolis a few
Speaker 1: years ago. Uh. But the only difference was Hearns has
Speaker 1: had to be re located and then he had an
Speaker 1: open wound. So surgery went very very well, very similar
Speaker 1: surgery though to what Dez had when they played when
Speaker 1: he got his ankle broken in Indianapolis. See, I thought
Speaker 1: there was because when they when they were getting him
Speaker 1: on the on the cart. Yeah, I saw all the
Speaker 1: other guys picking up all these towels. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: didn't see any blood. But well, doctor Cooper had gloves on.
Speaker 1: He took gloves on off after yea, after the after
Speaker 1: the heat, they loaded him onto the I wonder who
Speaker 1: did the surgery because doctor Cooper was there when he
Speaker 1: was at the game. Yeah, he was at the game,
Speaker 1: so he was already an undergoing surgery one game ended. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the other thing about Alan Hearns Uh. And if
Speaker 1: you're on Dallas Cowboys dot com a lot, you've seen
Speaker 1: interviews with him and stuff. He's just a great guy yea.
Speaker 1: And hats off to him this season. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: just a true pro. Even you know, after the trade
Speaker 1: was made for Amari Cooper, you know his snaps were
Speaker 1: going to be limited, and he's just a great team guy,
Speaker 1: and you just hate to hate to see it having anybody.
Speaker 1: But um, I've just always since he came over from
Speaker 1: Jacksonville this past year, I have been very impressed with him.
Speaker 1: Well he could have. He could have complained and bitched
Speaker 1: and done all that stuff about you know, well, why
Speaker 1: they do this. I'm the number one guy, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, but he didn't. He knew, he knew they
Speaker 1: needed to do something that that's just the guy realized.
Speaker 1: He's looking at the big picture of it and saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: we need to do something here. You know, I'm not
Speaker 1: getting the ball, and but for that matter, no one
Speaker 1: else is getting the ball, and then we need somebody
Speaker 1: to kind of open some things up. And every time
Speaker 1: he's had to make a play, he's made a play.
Speaker 1: And every time he was ever asked to block at
Speaker 1: the point of attack, he blocked. So, yeah, hats off. Unfortunate,
Speaker 1: but you know, they're gonna have to find a way
Speaker 1: now to move on. And you know, obviously Lancelore was
Speaker 1: probably first and foremost in their mind. And you know,
Speaker 1: lance played some games on special teams. Did he do
Speaker 1: well enough? You know, we'll see, but you know, somebody's
Speaker 1: got to stay up makes them play. And then you
Speaker 1: had Cole Beasley with what he's dealing with and Tavon
Speaker 1: Austin at the end of the game too. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: Cole said, you know, I just needed to calm down.
Speaker 1: It's the same foot. He had a foot deal most
Speaker 1: of this season that he's been dealing with a part
Speaker 1: of it. Now it's the ankle. I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: we'll kind of see how he can do as the
Speaker 1: week of practice goes on. I wonder what he can
Speaker 1: do Tuesday, But we'll see. But that you know, that
Speaker 1: would be a loss. That'd be a big loss for sure,
Speaker 1: about that bundle of energy Tavon and we're asking for something.
Speaker 1: And I think the only reason he got to return
Speaker 1: punts is because Beasley got hurt. You know, Beasley is
Speaker 1: going to be your primary punt return in that game,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, you know, I thought they
Speaker 1: might they might use him just for what happened. I mean,
Speaker 1: because I think a lot of it, I need to
Speaker 1: ask that question. But to me going into the game
Speaker 1: even occur to me, Yeah, because of the Beasley injury,
Speaker 1: I thought that they probably been they brought Beasley back,
Speaker 1: you know, they brought them back for to catch the
Speaker 1: one punt down in the end that but I didn't
Speaker 1: going over his head. Remember that that was after tavon
Speaker 1: his right second long right. But they but yeah, which
Speaker 1: I assumed did the right thing. He felt something that
Speaker 1: ball hit on the four yard line. He did the
Speaker 1: right thing. I mean, he know, people saying I should
Speaker 1: have caught the ball at the four had been better,
Speaker 1: I know, you know, to me, no, I mean the
Speaker 1: way the angle, the guy made a hell of a
Speaker 1: play to knock it back into field of play to
Speaker 1: make the play. But yeah, I think and I need
Speaker 1: to ask. I will ask, I'll take I'll ask at
Speaker 1: the break. But I feel like though that that's that's
Speaker 1: why they they did what they did because it Beasley
Speaker 1: got hurt. I didn't want to put him back. You know,
Speaker 1: well on Thursday, you know, he had been catching the punts.
Speaker 1: He's been team ever since he's been here. He's been
Speaker 1: backing it up. Yeah, but he started taking some with
Speaker 1: the punt return team right on Thursday, right, and he
Speaker 1: went ahead of Beasley. So I just I just thought
Speaker 1: that if if vines healthy in a playoff game where
Speaker 1: he can make a return for a touchdown, which he did,
Speaker 1: if not for a block in the back or hold
Speaker 1: or whatever they called right whatever, right that you want
Speaker 1: to use that if if you have at all, if
Speaker 1: he's capable at all of doing it, I guarantee he
Speaker 1: wants to play in this game. If he's, like you said,
Speaker 1: if he's healthy enough, because he didn't think he got
Speaker 1: he doesn't feel like he got a Coatue. There you're
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Speaker 1: absolutely right that the primary punt return of this game
Speaker 1: was Tavon Austin and so then they only use Beasley
Speaker 1: on the punt safe stuff now, So going in this game,
Speaker 1: Tavon Austin will be your be your primary primary guy
Speaker 1: and on side kick safe too. And he's fine health
Speaker 1: wise as far as we know. As far as we know,
Speaker 1: I didn't hear anything anything Jason said yesterday. They'll monitor
Speaker 1: him this week, and maybe it has something to just
Speaker 1: coming back off the injury. You know, it's I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he was a one hundred percent
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Speaker 1: return that you know, there was a reason that he
Speaker 1: kind of pulled up a little bit man, But he
Speaker 1: thought he I thought it was I thought it was
Speaker 1: hamstring again or I was like, he kind of like
Speaker 1: jerked and I'm like, oh no, what did happened? You
Speaker 1: hit it out of bound? After that? Yeah, let me
Speaker 1: qualify that. As Brian always says, they're not gonna put
Speaker 1: a guy on the field if he's not healthy enough
Speaker 1: to play. It's something they're going to monitor him every
Speaker 1: shure right out of the game, like they've done with Sean,
Speaker 1: you know, with the hamstring, right, And the other part
Speaker 1: of that is is okay, yeah, he might be able
Speaker 1: to do some stuff, but you want to make sure
Speaker 1: that he's not going to reinjure. No, yeah, aggravated worse? Sweet? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you need him? Well then yeah the next week and
Speaker 1: then in Atlanta you'll need him. Yeah. Yeah. With Bill
Speaker 1: being in there, there's right, you might be Bill never.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have some company there. I can I can
Speaker 1: sense it, I can feel it. You feel the company? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: all right. That was the third playoff win in twenty
Speaker 1: two years. You'll know how long it's been since the
Speaker 1: Cowboys won a road playoff game. Geez, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: uh yeah, Miles Austin, hang on a second. Oh wow,
Speaker 1: I figured y'all would shoot this right out. They beat
Speaker 1: the Bears, They beat the Bears nineteen was it? Didn't
Speaker 1: they go to Chicago? Nope? More recent than that, well,
Speaker 1: not in the last the last, the last road playoff
Speaker 1: win for the Cowboys. We've got a lot of listeners
Speaker 1: shouting at their devices right now. It wasn't the Chicago game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a road win, but they had one since then,
Speaker 1: in like thee at San Francisco. At San Francisco January seventeenth,
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three, one of my favorite games ever, the
Speaker 1: NFC Championship. I was at the game. What about I
Speaker 1: was there too. I was at the game. I kind
Speaker 1: of not remember that one, thinking that that was Alvin
Speaker 1: Harper game, right, Harper? Jeez? I was there with John Dorsey. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why I got kicked out of the press of
Speaker 1: the UH. I told that story. I remember, I told
Speaker 1: that I was there thinking about that. Yeah, okay, that
Speaker 1: game was playing at Candlestick. I was there. I was
Speaker 1: at the East West game. That's why I went. Okay. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the people people on on periscope, we're all Columbus idiots.
Speaker 1: We'll calling me adiat right now, twenty nearly twenty six
Speaker 1: years ago. Yeah. And of course the Cowboys were so
Speaker 1: good during that time during the nineties that most all
Speaker 1: of their playoff games were home game. Now they lost
Speaker 1: at San Francisco of course Switzer's first year, right, Um,
Speaker 1: But were they a major underdog in that game? Yes.
Speaker 1: Everybody kept saying they're too young, they're too young. Like
Speaker 1: I was saying about the Bears. That's what I was
Speaker 1: saying about the Bears. Yeah, well it's it's you know,
Speaker 1: playoff experience. What a great game that was. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I was out there all week covering it about going
Speaker 1: to dwy somewhat remember strong Yeah. Uh. And there was
Speaker 1: actually an earthquake. Uh that was you know, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: came in two days early. Okay, so they had to
Speaker 1: walk through at the stadium on Saturday. But on the
Speaker 1: Friday night before there was it was a mild earthquake. Whatever,
Speaker 1: you know, something you live with out there exactly right.
Speaker 1: There was nothing to dive. It was everything to be.
Speaker 1: That was it. It was that year because I remember
Speaker 1: being in the hospitality room in San Francisco for a
Speaker 1: game and there was a that was that year? Was it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: But we wouldn't have been there that soon, would we?
Speaker 1: The team came in two days early for conference championship game.
Speaker 1: You come in two days Oh that's right, because they
Speaker 1: had the NFC. Uh. Yeah, they had the press and
Speaker 1: the party Friday night. Yeah, I remember that. I was
Speaker 1: We were way up in the hospitality room at top
Speaker 1: of the it was the uh, the downtown Marriott, and
Speaker 1: it was like, oh yeah, I felt that. Yeah, that's right,
Speaker 1: sort of like that time at up and in thousand
Speaker 1: I mean at in Oxnard. Yeah. The other thing when
Speaker 1: you look at storylines Cowboys and Rams. Of course, Thousand
Speaker 1: Oaks was the former home summer home of the Cowboys
Speaker 1: for decades and now the Rams, their semi permanent facility,
Speaker 1: regular season facility is there in Thousand Oaks. And I've
Speaker 1: paid a visit there when we were in Oxnard, did
Speaker 1: a little you know, going down memory Lane and just
Speaker 1: take a look. I know, Mickey, you've been there to
Speaker 1: check it out. But it and I tweeted this out
Speaker 1: CBS eleven Bill Jones, the where the headquarters, the Rams
Speaker 1: headquarters are. It is unbelievable how primitive it it looks
Speaker 1: back there. It's just a gray fence with some gray
Speaker 1: buildings like looked like army barracks that have been set
Speaker 1: up there, and they got a practice field that you
Speaker 1: can't see from you know, down the hill or anything.
Speaker 1: It's it's very very private and it's way back in
Speaker 1: the hills there. But to think of the facility we're
Speaker 1: in here at the Star and the Rams are in
Speaker 1: this thing, which a very nice place in thousand Oaks.
Speaker 1: But and of course they're awaiting there. It's a temporary.
Speaker 1: It's temporary when while they await their new stadium being
Speaker 1: built and all that stuff. You know, when when Nate
Speaker 1: and I went there to do the Legend show, we
Speaker 1: walked into the old cafeteria where they where the cowboys
Speaker 1: used the players used to eat, and we were standing
Speaker 1: there walking through and some lady comes up and she goes,
Speaker 1: I don't know what you guys are doing here, but
Speaker 1: you know the cowboys used to train here, and I
Speaker 1: used to feed him in this cafeteria. She was still
Speaker 1: working o This was like three two three years ago,
Speaker 1: same late. It's like, I said, well, you probably fed
Speaker 1: this guy. She goes, what do you mean, It's like
Speaker 1: he played for them, Oh, and she got all excited.
Speaker 1: All right, Saturday night. Other things that stuck out for
Speaker 1: you on Saturday Night, obviously, Dak was huge with a
Speaker 1: third and fourteen play and just coming through in the clutch. Um.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what Dak. Dak has become. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: he's not the purest passer, no at all, but when
Speaker 1: it came I mean you look at his college career
Speaker 1: and now his NFL career. He's a winner. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: I think that's the best thing you could ever say
Speaker 1: about a player, is the guy's a winner, because there's
Speaker 1: all these players are different. You know, they're they're gonna
Speaker 1: find different ways to win, you know, and I think
Speaker 1: you have to accept Dak for who he is. You know,
Speaker 1: he's he plays with a huge heart. You know, there's
Speaker 1: some throws that you know that he's gonna miss, there's
Speaker 1: some reads he's gonna miss, but when the game was
Speaker 1: on the line, he finds ways to make plays. I
Speaker 1: think that's the best thing you could ever say about
Speaker 1: a quarterback, that that they have the ability when you know,
Speaker 1: when their team needs him the most, that they're there
Speaker 1: and they've you know this, it's not it has not
Speaker 1: been easy for him all year, but you know, you
Speaker 1: look now they're in the divisional championship game with you know,
Speaker 1: with after starting the way they did, and a lot
Speaker 1: of it is because of him, you know, absolutely. I
Speaker 1: think you talk about being a winner and a competitor.
Speaker 1: Something that embodies that was the touchdown pass to Michael Gallup,
Speaker 1: the back shoulder fade in the red zone and he
Speaker 1: misses him badly. One player, Yeah, and he comes right back,
Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna make the throw this time, and
Speaker 1: that's that just kind of speaks to how he is,
Speaker 1: how he goes about it, and how he competes. You know.
Speaker 1: The other thing that stood out too, I don't think
Speaker 1: we've mentioned Amari Cooper. They really got him going in
Speaker 1: this game, one hundred and six yards. That thirty four
Speaker 1: yard catch really set them up and got them going
Speaker 1: offensively in the second half. So that's encouraging going forward
Speaker 1: as well, for sure. You know the guys, I guess
Speaker 1: Jason went on early today I'm a fan, and they
Speaker 1: were shocked when he told him that play to the
Speaker 1: dak ran On was a called play. Oh, I thought,
Speaker 1: I got definitely what were you watching? Yeah, because as
Speaker 1: soon as he hit his back foot, he took off
Speaker 1: and the offensive linemen are already downfield. So yeah, they
Speaker 1: called it and probably figured, okay, let's see what we
Speaker 1: can get and maybe have to kick a field goal
Speaker 1: and make it an easier field goal. How about the
Speaker 1: play before that? It was second in fourteen at the
Speaker 1: seventeen yard line and the Seahawks were down to one
Speaker 1: time out left and then you had the two minute
Speaker 1: warning too. And I'm sitting there going, okay, you had
Speaker 1: the penalty that pushed you back and made it the
Speaker 1: second in fourteen at the seventeen yard line, and they
Speaker 1: threw a pass, and I was like, run the ball.
Speaker 1: In fact, I rode down, Why throw the ball? Three
Speaker 1: stars next to it? Right? Well, maybe that's why they ran, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's what and that's and so maybe maybe they
Speaker 1: were setting up the quarterback draw by throwing a pass.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I mean, yeah, you throw
Speaker 1: a pass in one second in fourteen, But in that situation,
Speaker 1: I thought, you don't want to throw an incompletion. You
Speaker 1: don't want to give him a time out right right?
Speaker 1: You know what? Has it turned out they got the
Speaker 1: time out because they got reviewed. Yeah, otherwise the clock
Speaker 1: would have still been running out. But mark, but anyway,
Speaker 1: and so then it made the quarterback I thought. I
Speaker 1: thought it was definitely a quarterback draw when they ran it, right,
Speaker 1: And it was a great play call. It was, I
Speaker 1: mean a great job of him running through I mean
Speaker 1: he ran through you know the linebat, I mean he
Speaker 1: ran through some guys to make that first down there
Speaker 1: was that wasn't gonna be you know, he ran through
Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner basically, and Wagner and McDougald both are really
Speaker 1: good tacklers, and he ran through both of them to
Speaker 1: get the necessary yards. But the incomplete pass on second
Speaker 1: and fourteen put it in the minds of the defense, right,
Speaker 1: they're throwing the ball. Yeah, absolutely, they're throwing the ball here. Absolutely. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just I you know, I thought my one of
Speaker 1: my favorite players of the game was just the straight
Speaker 1: quarterback power run that he had. It looked like Army
Speaker 1: football in nineteen forty four where he just took the
Speaker 1: ball all it snapped it to him and then I mean,
Speaker 1: they got guys on the outside. I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: And I wrote about this, Ezekieliott had one of the
Speaker 1: best blocks I've ever I mean I said this, I
Speaker 1: said it, give him a Buckeye helmet sticker because he
Speaker 1: chopped kJ Wright down. And you know, I mean, that's
Speaker 1: what you gotta have. I mean, here's your running back.
Speaker 1: You know who's you know, you're really your heart and
Speaker 1: your soul, your team. What's he doing. I mean, you
Speaker 1: watch that tape and you're thinking, my god, he's going
Speaker 1: out there chopping guys down, trying to throw a block
Speaker 1: for his quarterback and it was a textbook block. But
Speaker 1: that was one of my favorite plays of the game
Speaker 1: because it just kind of showed, you know, that's what
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are about. It's about, you know, running the
Speaker 1: football is about powering people. It's about knocking people on
Speaker 1: the ground if you can. And I thought they did
Speaker 1: a great job on that play, and you know, Dak
Speaker 1: got it as close he couldn't in two plays later,
Speaker 1: Zeke scores and Zeke stumbled on the next play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so they stopped him, but they went a hit and
Speaker 1: they gave it to him and gave it to him again.
Speaker 1: Nothing wrong with that, yep. Absolutely. And the other thing
Speaker 1: they do is they wear people down in the second
Speaker 1: half in the flip quarter, you know, eleven plays, sixty
Speaker 1: three yard drive, I think they wore him down. They
Speaker 1: they got tired. So yeah, did that third and fourteen play,
Speaker 1: you know you got to line up once again and
Speaker 1: stop him, and Dak, you know, sacrifices his body once
Speaker 1: again and make a play, which again gets back to
Speaker 1: why the Seahawks were running the ball. They thought eventually
Speaker 1: they would wear down the Cowboys run defense, and it
Speaker 1: didn't happen. Never did but the Mickey said earlier the
Speaker 1: game was close, They're gonna keep doing what they're doing
Speaker 1: as long as the game's close, you know. Think Actually
Speaker 1: that was me who said that, was it you? Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry one of you two on that side of
Speaker 1: the table. Mickey said that wanted the buckeye on my helmet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but no, that's that's you know, that's the Cowboys a
Speaker 1: lot of credit that had a great getting a great
Speaker 1: game plan and they execute the plan. Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's unfortunate and we need to find out. Micky, did
Speaker 1: you ask anybody what happened on the long pass at
Speaker 1: the end of the game. No, I didn't get a
Speaker 1: they were They played the coverage before. It was almost
Speaker 1: like Jeff Heath what they called they play up with
Speaker 1: a robber with the safety playing in the middle where
Speaker 1: they take away the inside, the inside stuff. They ran
Speaker 1: the coverage earlier in the game and didn't have the
Speaker 1: big play. But I don't know if it was Byron
Speaker 1: Jones that he was expecting that Heath was going to
Speaker 1: help him with the robber. With the robber there, but
Speaker 1: I need to ask, and I think we will. We'll
Speaker 1: figure that out. And I've just never seen him beaten
Speaker 1: that bad. Well, it's like sleep he was. He was
Speaker 1: turned inside, he was cocked inside like he was gonna
Speaker 1: it was funnel into the middle, and then way the
Speaker 1: way the route broke. I'm thinking, okay, is it Heath.
Speaker 1: But Heath was so focused on the middle of the field,
Speaker 1: and then when the route came to the outside, it's
Speaker 1: like that Byron was like, whoa wait a minute, where's
Speaker 1: my robber? And my robber went there, and there was
Speaker 1: there was some communication there right there. There was some
Speaker 1: communication issues. And there's a side of me that believes
Speaker 1: it probably because I saw the defense played correctly the
Speaker 1: first time. But it seems like to me that probably
Speaker 1: was a Byron Jones issue that maybe he should have
Speaker 1: carried him a little further up the field than he did,
Speaker 1: especially in that situation. Seeing the other one I didn't
Speaker 1: think they executed right. Was the uh so the drive
Speaker 1: the seattle finally got going through to the tight end,
Speaker 1: and the next one was at locket or Baald went
Speaker 1: out of the slot and he went all the way
Speaker 1: across the field and cut the ball on the on
Speaker 1: the sideline. Yeah, no one covered him. He was lock it,
Speaker 1: lock it yeah, you got a free relief. I think
Speaker 1: the linebacker was supposed to hit him. Yeah, they were.
Speaker 1: They had two guys and they turned the safe around.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was Xavier Woods was carrying him. At Xavier
Speaker 1: Woods saw it and turned and tried to run. But
Speaker 1: at that time you got Locket. When Lockett's that close
Speaker 1: to you, he's by you. You know, that's just the
Speaker 1: way he plays. But I mean, no one covered him.
Speaker 1: I think overall though, for the secondary, the way they play,
Speaker 1: I thought the secondary was it was good. I thought
Speaker 1: the secondary did what they had to do. But that
Speaker 1: that one big play at the end of the game.
Speaker 1: But you just don't want that to happen. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the only that was the only play that that's
Speaker 1: the only thing that could have happened, that it could
Speaker 1: have turned the game. You know, we we haven't really
Speaker 1: talked about the fact that they lost their field goal kicker,
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, I mean that that there's some people
Speaker 1: that believe though that if you're one of those numbers guys,
Speaker 1: if you're a numbers guy, you believe it's probably a
Speaker 1: good thing that the loser kicker, because they kept going
Speaker 1: for two. They would have never they would have never
Speaker 1: been that, or they could have punted it, or in
Speaker 1: that final situation they got down to you know, when
Speaker 1: they got down the end and said scorning, they could
Speaker 1: have kicked the field goal then then tried the on
Speaker 1: site kick because they needed the ten points. That's the thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it makes it more aggressive. But what if you need
Speaker 1: a forty five yard or to take no doubt at
Speaker 1: the end of the game, you need your kicker. Well,
Speaker 1: don't have a forty five year old kicker who's fifty
Speaker 1: pounds overweight. Yeah, he's been making a lot of field
Speaker 1: goals being overweight. Ye, yes, but that that's that's a
Speaker 1: big hamstring he pulled by. I just to me, I
Speaker 1: didn't quite I didn't quite understand. I didn't quite understand,
Speaker 1: you know, not just putting the ball on the ground
Speaker 1: and trying to squib it, you know, And there's you
Speaker 1: can do. You can do goofy things. Yeah, like you
Speaker 1: could lay the ball flat on the ground and hammer
Speaker 1: it into somebody. Why could I mean, Danikowski's got a hamstring. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but we said that what does it take to well
Speaker 1: if he's but if out of the game the second half,
Speaker 1: he can't come back in right, they ruled they ruled
Speaker 1: him out in the press box, Yeah they did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I don't think that matters, you sure, I mean
Speaker 1: it's not like you put him on a list or anymore.
Speaker 1: What happens when they really a doubtful See, you're not
Speaker 1: out of the game questionable. Yeah, I don't want the
Speaker 1: point of having designations. I think I think they're just
Speaker 1: being informative, is what you're doing. Okay, we were talking
Speaker 1: about that on the sideline. Weren't sure, but yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm sure he doesn't like punter doesn't practice the on
Speaker 1: sides when they do that drill. But I mean, you're
Speaker 1: not giving yourself a chance to try to do well.
Speaker 1: He was trying to pooch it over the front line.
Speaker 1: He just kicked it too hard. He hit it with
Speaker 1: his shin, which was weird. It kind of got it,
Speaker 1: kind of gave it a little elevation to it, is
Speaker 1: what And that that was the easiest. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know how you couldn't just put it on a
Speaker 1: t yeah, because they just drop. Yeah, I've seen now,
Speaker 1: I've seen Chris Jones practice on side kicks and training camp.
Speaker 1: I've seen him, you know, I mean I've seen guys
Speaker 1: practice stuff like that. I know Jeff Heath was the
Speaker 1: kicker in that San Francisco game, but I've seen guys
Speaker 1: like Chris Jones. Seriously, what are the kickers doing all day? Okay,
Speaker 1: might as well do its work on something. They usually
Speaker 1: just around anyway, Just like just like you prepare a
Speaker 1: backup guard that he may have to go into the game,
Speaker 1: and you got to have a backup kicker, so get
Speaker 1: the putter ready, just like your center practice a half
Speaker 1: court shots. That's right, all right, we're out of time. No,
Speaker 1: they should have talking Cowboys. We're gonna talk at you
Speaker 1: again tomorrow as we dive into all those weapons that
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