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Speaker 5: Welcome into the Official Jets Podcast. Eric Allen here inside
Speaker 5: the studio, joined by Lejane Dudesable Dudes. Were about a
Speaker 5: week into free agency. The Jets have been very active
Speaker 5: on multiple fronts. Your overall thoughts thirty thousand foot field.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's a thing when you look at
Speaker 3: a lot of the players that the Jets picked up
Speaker 3: in free agency, the main theme being all of these
Speaker 3: guys a running thirty years old, and then when you
Speaker 3: look at a couple of these guys, they're coming on
Speaker 3: I don't want to say down years, but not as
Speaker 3: productive as the twenty three years. So when you look
Speaker 3: at Aaron Glenn and his past and developing players, they
Speaker 3: looked at guys that have high upside, that are still
Speaker 3: very young, that probably still have their best football in
Speaker 3: front of him. So I think the Jets were very
Speaker 3: strategic going into this free agency, making sure they targeted
Speaker 3: certain players that were not over thirty years old, even
Speaker 3: a guy like Derek Nadi. And I know we're going
Speaker 3: to go into each players specifically, but this guy has
Speaker 3: been a starter for majority of his career, didn't start
Speaker 3: last year, but still can play at a high level
Speaker 3: and it's still not thirty years old.
Speaker 2: So I think I.
Speaker 3: Don't want to use the word reclamation projects, but essentially
Speaker 3: that's what ag and Darren Mooji did right. They went
Speaker 3: and got some of these younger players that are coming
Speaker 3: off years that weren't weren't their greatest years in the NFL,
Speaker 3: but still a lot of upside to him.
Speaker 5: Do you think that speaks to the confidence that Aaron
Speaker 5: not only has in himself but his staff that we're
Speaker 5: going to be able to take some of these guys
Speaker 5: who might have struggled most recently and we're going to
Speaker 5: develop them in house. And then the other side of
Speaker 5: the coin of that is, hey, if these guys don't
Speaker 5: come along, a lot of these deals do is our team.
Speaker 3: Frontly without a doubt, and I think they structured those
Speaker 3: deals where they can get out of a lot of
Speaker 3: these deals. A lot of them are one year deals,
Speaker 3: but a couple of the deals they can get out
Speaker 3: in one or two years.
Speaker 2: So I think it was smart by this staff.
Speaker 3: And also, like you said, to speak to the confidence
Speaker 3: of Aaron Glenn and his developmental skills. The thing is
Speaker 3: when you're watching players and then you see it done
Speaker 3: correctly on tape one time, that means they can do
Speaker 3: it again.
Speaker 2: And I think that's what Aaron Glenn is thinking.
Speaker 3: That there's so much that goes into a player his
Speaker 3: psyche going into a contract year, and a lot of
Speaker 3: times players are so worried about playing their best football
Speaker 3: that they play a little tight and that could have
Speaker 3: been an issue. I mean, Andre Cisco, I know we're
Speaker 3: talking about him later, but that whole secondary struggle in
Speaker 3: Jacksonville that could be not just on him, it could
Speaker 3: be schematic wise what they were asking him to do.
Speaker 3: So AG looks at the twenty three tape and says,
Speaker 3: this guy was unbelieved. Let's get him on our team.
Speaker 3: He's also a local kid, I believe from Long Island.
Speaker 3: So it's gonna mean something for him to come back
Speaker 3: to the Jets, and I believe I can get him
Speaker 3: back to that player that he was in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 5: All Right, who are the Jets getting in Justin fields
Speaker 5: Sky went four and two as a starter last year
Speaker 5: in Pittsburgh. A lot of the media reports are the
Speaker 5: Steelers wanted him back instead. He said, you know what,
Speaker 5: I'm going to the Jets again. He's coming off the
Speaker 5: season where he started those first six games Russell was injured.
Speaker 5: He ten touchdowns, ten total touchdowns, five on the ground,
Speaker 5: five passing touchdowns.
Speaker 1: He turned it over just twice and.
Speaker 3: That was the biggest thing, him protecting the football because
Speaker 3: that was the issue when he was a younger quarterback.
Speaker 3: And the crazy thing is, I say a younger quarterback,
Speaker 3: This guy literally just turned twenty five years old and
Speaker 3: he's been in the league it seems like forever already.
Speaker 2: So this is a young guy with a lot of upside.
Speaker 3: You talked about him taking the Steelers to a four
Speaker 3: and two record in the beginning of last year. We
Speaker 3: know how dynamic he is with his legs in the
Speaker 3: open field, and what people don't talk about enough is
Speaker 3: how physical he is. When he becomes a runner, he's
Speaker 3: extremely hard to bring down. So you always hear the
Speaker 3: terminology plus one in a run game. That's what Justin
Speaker 3: Fields gives you. But don't get a toiche. And this
Speaker 3: guy can throw the pill. Let's not forget. DJ Moore's
Speaker 3: best career year was with Justin Fields, not all the
Speaker 3: other quarterbacks he played with. It was with Justin Fields,
Speaker 3: so he can definitely throw the ball down the field.
Speaker 3: I think also with Derrick Mujie and also ag they
Speaker 3: looked at this and said, he's got some synergy and
Speaker 3: some continuity with our number one receiver, right because he
Speaker 3: played with Garrett Wilson in college. He played with Germany
Speaker 3: Record in college. And oh, by the way, we signed
Speaker 3: his center and Josh Myers to bring him along as well.
Speaker 3: So he's gonna have some familiar faces on this team
Speaker 3: where he feels comfortable, knows he's going to be the
Speaker 3: starter from day one, and we're praying and hoping that
Speaker 3: we can continue to develop this guy and maybe there's
Speaker 3: a potential for him to be the long term franchise
Speaker 3: quarterback for the New York Jets. And I think that's
Speaker 3: what Justin Fields was looking at and why he decided
Speaker 3: to sign with the New York just because he knows
Speaker 3: there's an opportunity if he shows right that he could
Speaker 3: potentially be the quarterback of the future.
Speaker 5: Six three eight to one hundred and twenty seven pounds,
Speaker 5: he just turned twenty six years old, and he's coming
Speaker 5: off a year in Pittsburgh where he set career highs
Speaker 5: in terms of completion percentage and passer rating. What do
Speaker 5: you think about his fit in the system now? Tanner
Speaker 5: Engstrom has not called to play. We know that he's
Speaker 5: a passing game coordinator with the Lions, but just looking
Speaker 5: at the personnel, and I really liked the explosive element
Speaker 5: potentially offensively when you got Fields taking snaps under center,
Speaker 5: you got Breise Hall behind you, and then you got
Speaker 5: Karrent Wilson is your number one receiver. Those guys all
Speaker 5: can take a ball and go fifty plus to dolls.
Speaker 2: Yeah, without a doubt.
Speaker 3: And it'll be interesting to see Tanner Einstring put it
Speaker 3: handprint on this.
Speaker 2: Offense and what will that exactly exactly look like.
Speaker 3: We don't know because to your point, Yay, he hasn't
Speaker 3: called games right from the offensive quarters. Or offensive coordinator standpoint. Now,
Speaker 3: I did love the signing of Scott Turner to help
Speaker 3: him out. He's a guy who's called a lot of
Speaker 3: players as his time as an offensive coordinator and been
Speaker 3: a coach on the offensive side. So I think those
Speaker 3: two will come together to have an offense Taylor to
Speaker 3: Justin Field's skill set. Could we see more rpo right
Speaker 3: with Justin Fields because that's an element of his game
Speaker 3: that separates him from a lot of other quarterbacks. And
Speaker 3: also when you talk about the subsequent pieces on the
Speaker 3: outside of Garrett Wilson, but then also in the backfield
Speaker 3: of Bresaw, you have to talk about this young offensive line.
Speaker 3: Let's not forget tennor ingstring. Where'd he come from the
Speaker 3: Detroit Lions. What do they want to do there? Run
Speaker 3: the football? You don't think he's gonna want to run
Speaker 3: the football with this young offensive line the Jets have,
Speaker 3: right when.
Speaker 2: You look at the youth of this.
Speaker 3: Offensive line from the Jets, besides it's John Simpson and
Speaker 3: everybody else is essentially the starters on rookie deals. Now
Speaker 3: there is a needed right tackle and that could potentially
Speaker 3: happen in the draft or there's still some free agents
Speaker 3: out there as well. But when you talk about a young,
Speaker 3: hungry offensive line, right gelling together, they are going to
Speaker 3: want to run the ball where Breese Hall to take
Speaker 3: some pressure off Justin Fields. And let's not forget we
Speaker 3: talked about it earlier. EA, Justin Fields is going to
Speaker 3: be part of the run game, right, He's gonna be
Speaker 3: plus one in the run game as well. So I'm
Speaker 3: excited to see what tenner Ingstring does with this offense
Speaker 3: when he puts his handprint on it. What will be
Speaker 3: the philosophy for this offensive and what will its identity be.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to see that.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 5: This whole podcast could be on Justin Fields. But let's
Speaker 5: stay here for a second. You played defensive line in
Speaker 5: the National Football League for more than ten years. What
Speaker 5: kind of pressure does a guy like Fields point on
Speaker 5: the defense that front seven? Because you mentioned RPOs, the
Speaker 5: zone reads, the runs and then also just making a
Speaker 5: second play with his feet.
Speaker 3: When things break down and there's nobody open, and you
Speaker 3: could have the perfect defensive call. EA, with a guy
Speaker 3: like Justin feels it doesn't matter because he can break
Speaker 3: down the perfect play with his mobility. And I talked
Speaker 3: about his strength like it's hard to bring him down
Speaker 3: because you talked about a sixty three two hundred and
Speaker 3: twenty seven pounds, Like that's a big running back in
Speaker 3: the league, right, So, like that's tough to bring down
Speaker 3: in the open field. And then when you have him
Speaker 3: in the open space and he's able to break contain
Speaker 3: when a defensive line doesn't have pass rush lane responsibility,
Speaker 3: Now you're talking about him one on one with his
Speaker 3: dynamic ability, with his mobility and speed on a linebacker,
Speaker 3: he's gonna win that ten out of ten times because
Speaker 3: that's how dynamic he is with it legs.
Speaker 2: So it puts so much stress on a.
Speaker 3: Defensive line because you want to be aggressive when you
Speaker 3: rush the passer, but you gotta be smart too, because
Speaker 3: if you're too aggressive and you end up having a
Speaker 3: big open a gap because both the tackles decided to
Speaker 3: run on the rush on the outside of the guard
Speaker 3: and now there's a gaping hole. Not only is it
Speaker 3: a passing lane for him, but he could keep the
Speaker 3: ball and run in that a gap and pick up
Speaker 3: first downs. We saw that multiple times last year with
Speaker 3: the Pittsburgh Shielders, more specifically on third down.
Speaker 2: You got to think about this right.
Speaker 3: This is a defensive minded coaching Aaron Glynn, and he
Speaker 3: knows what the skill set that Justin Fields has. He
Speaker 3: could just keep the offense on the field by scampering
Speaker 3: and picking up some first downs with his legs. He
Speaker 3: wants to be able to control the ball and play
Speaker 3: good defense. And with a mobile quarterback like Justin Fields,
Speaker 3: that's why it's so tough for defenses to scheme against.
Speaker 5: This is a hell of an opportunity for Fields. Where
Speaker 5: does he have to get better? When you watch the
Speaker 5: film and say, okay, listen, he's shown glimpses. He's the
Speaker 5: former number eleven overall picking the draft back in twenty
Speaker 5: twenty one. He had a strength there a couple of
Speaker 5: years ago with the Chicago Bears, where he became the
Speaker 5: second player in NFL history to have one at least
Speaker 5: one rush touchdout and one pass touchdown in five consecutive games.
Speaker 5: The only other players done that is Kyler Murray in
Speaker 5: twenty twenty. Where does he have to get Butterfields?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: So you go back to last year when they're four
Speaker 3: and two and Mike Tomlin makes a tough decision to
Speaker 3: go with Russell Wilson.
Speaker 2: It was because the lack of the deep passing game.
Speaker 3: Now we talked about EA, He's gotten better every single
Speaker 3: year when it comes to completion percentage, but the accuracy
Speaker 3: down the field when you want to try to get
Speaker 3: some of those explosive plays to keep that safety out
Speaker 3: out of the box so you can run the ball effectively,
Speaker 3: that's where he has to take his game to the
Speaker 3: next level. I saw him grow in progressions right going
Speaker 3: through his progressions last year. He got extremely better than that,
Speaker 3: better than he was his first couple of years in
Speaker 3: the league because it used to be the first red
Speaker 3: wasn't there was a tuck and run. But you saw
Speaker 3: him last year get to his first, second and third
Speaker 3: read and get the ball out of his hands. Now
Speaker 3: he has to put it all together and be able
Speaker 3: to throw the ball down the field and complete some
Speaker 3: of those big passes down the field. Again, tanner Anstrom
Speaker 3: comes from the Troy Lions. They're gonna want to run
Speaker 3: the football, but the way to get that extra safety
Speaker 3: out of the box, you gott to threaten the ball
Speaker 3: down the field and the team has.
Speaker 2: The respect that you can make that throw down the field.
Speaker 3: So that's where Justin Phields has to continue to grow
Speaker 3: as a player from the quarterback position.
Speaker 2: It's the accuracy on the downfield throwing.
Speaker 5: I'm watching the emphasis in this attack on the play
Speaker 5: action game is gonna help fields.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be monumental. Right, we talked about this young
Speaker 3: offensive line. John Simpson is a guy that will rip
Speaker 3: your face mask off as well. Now again, well is
Speaker 3: to be determined who potentially is the right tackle. I
Speaker 3: know me and u EA have been through some scenarios.
Speaker 3: Could Josh Meyers slide into center, Could Joe Tipman move
Speaker 3: to guard? Could Avt go back to right tackle. I
Speaker 3: think all that is up to be determined, just depending
Speaker 3: on what to just do for the rest of free agency,
Speaker 3: because I know it seems like it's been a month,
Speaker 3: but to your point, yea, it hasn't even been a
Speaker 3: week of free agency yet, Like there's still a lot
Speaker 3: of good players out there to play. And I know
Speaker 3: people getting enamored with the opening day when the new
Speaker 3: league year starts or the tampering period starts, because everybody's.
Speaker 2: Like, why isn't this team doing this? Why aren't they
Speaker 2: doing that?
Speaker 3: We're not even a weekend to free agency. There's a
Speaker 3: couple of waves and tiers of free agency. There's that
Speaker 3: initial wave, then there's the second wave, then there's a
Speaker 3: quick small wave right before the draft, and then after
Speaker 3: the draft there's another wave for free agency where teams
Speaker 3: didn't get to pick certain players that they wanted to
Speaker 3: fill out the roster. That's that last wave before it's
Speaker 3: training camp. So we're still a long way away from
Speaker 3: determining what this team will look like, uh, because of
Speaker 3: the personnel, and the Jets still have a lot of
Speaker 3: pieces to add as well.
Speaker 2: So you talked about the play action pass game.
Speaker 3: It's going to be monumental, right, but you have to
Speaker 3: be able to establish a run to have an effective
Speaker 3: play action pass game, and I know that's something that
Speaker 3: Tanner andstring is going to want to establish with the
Speaker 3: New York Jets.
Speaker 5: All right, let's jump around off Tyler Johnson, the receiver
Speaker 5: who most recently played with the Rams. He signs a
Speaker 5: free agency as does Stone Smart coming over from the Chargers.
Speaker 5: So both those guys making the trip from the West
Speaker 5: coast to the northeast.
Speaker 1: Can you tell me about their potential fits?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Stone Smart, I love that pick.
Speaker 3: I don't know if anybody follows me on Twitter, I
Speaker 3: went to Twitter right away, it was like, that's an
Speaker 3: amazing pick. A little bit surprised the Chargers didn't tender
Speaker 3: him because he was a restricted free agent, a massive
Speaker 3: human being, right, and he's able to go get the
Speaker 3: ball in the red zone. He really came on strong
Speaker 3: at the end of the year when they had some
Speaker 3: injuries to the tight end position. So again, was a
Speaker 3: little bit surprised they didn't tender him. But I love
Speaker 3: this pickup because I believe he can be a weapon
Speaker 3: down the scene for justin fields and also be a
Speaker 3: weapon in the red zone going up in high pointing
Speaker 3: and going to get the football.
Speaker 2: He's an athletic tight end.
Speaker 3: Really loved that signing because it wasn't like it was
Speaker 3: a as far as findingly, it wasn't a massive signing
Speaker 3: for the Jets. But again, when you look at roster
Speaker 3: construction and roster makeup, you need guys like Stone Smart
Speaker 3: to have a good football team. And then Tyler Johnson
Speaker 3: is a guy that's kind of been steady at he
Speaker 3: was with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers with the Rams, and
Speaker 3: it's just weird when you look at his game, he
Speaker 3: ate there's always.
Speaker 2: Like one or two games.
Speaker 3: He just explodes on the scene and he had that
Speaker 3: last year with the Los Angeles Rams as well, So
Speaker 3: he'll be a guy that's probably mixing it up for
Speaker 3: that number three, four and five spot at the receiver position.
Speaker 2: He will also give you some help on special teams
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 5: He was a standout receiver at Minnesota. You mentioned that
Speaker 5: Tampa Bay drafted him. He got some time last year
Speaker 5: with the Rams after the previous season. I think most
Speaker 5: of the year he spent on their practice squad. But
Speaker 5: you mentioned Swart and his ability to get down the field.
Speaker 1: You're seeing an emphasis of speed here.
Speaker 5: Of what Aaron Gladd and Darren Muji wants to do
Speaker 5: here to put pressure.
Speaker 1: On the defenses.
Speaker 5: And I'm not saying any of these guys are in
Speaker 5: the category of Jameson Williams or Gibbs. But when you
Speaker 5: think of Wilson and we talked about this before, and
Speaker 5: you think about Greece Hall, those are guys who can
Speaker 5: put a lot of stress on the defense and then
Speaker 5: smart when you use them in packages. You have to
Speaker 5: account for his vertical ability.
Speaker 2: Yeah, without a doubt.
Speaker 3: And again I think his athletic ability and ability to get.
Speaker 2: Down the seam.
Speaker 3: I think the Chargers realized, like, this guy can play
Speaker 3: some ball, Like, let's start getting into him.
Speaker 2: I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 3: I think it was Will Disley that kind of got
Speaker 3: banged up for them towards the end of the year,
Speaker 3: and that's when Stone Smart really stepped up for them.
Speaker 3: So again, a very young player was supposed to be
Speaker 3: a restricted free agent. They didn't tender him, so he
Speaker 3: became a free agent. A little bit surprised the Chargers
Speaker 3: didn't try to bring him back, and they may have,
Speaker 3: but maybe he decided he just wanted a fresh start
Speaker 3: somewhere else. So I like that pick up a lot again.
Speaker 3: He came another young player that came on strong late
Speaker 3: last year.
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Speaker 1: What do you make about the moves up front?
Speaker 5: The Jets like their young centaer Joe Tipman A g
Speaker 5: called him out Indianapolis, but you're bringing a guy Myers,
Speaker 5: Josh Myers, who not only snapped the ball to justin
Speaker 5: fields of Ohio State, he's got a lot of starting
Speaker 5: experience the previous four seasons at the pivot for the
Speaker 5: Green Bay Packers, and.
Speaker 1: How about a corps four.
Speaker 5: He's a guy who played one week with the Patriots
Speaker 5: last year. We don't know the full story, but previously
Speaker 5: he was a starter for the Pittsburgh Steelers, and I
Speaker 5: got to think that he's looking at this as an
Speaker 5: opportunity to either compete at the right tackle position or
Speaker 5: at the very least.
Speaker 1: Dudes, maybe he's a swing tack layer.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I go back to what their Mouji and also
Speaker 3: ag have kind of targeted when it comes to this
Speaker 3: free agent class.
Speaker 2: Right Oka four, We'll start with him.
Speaker 3: You talked about it was a constant starter for the
Speaker 3: Pittsburgh Steelers and honestly thought he had a chance to be,
Speaker 3: you know, the starter of day one in New England. Now,
Speaker 3: again we don't know the story and why it didn't
Speaker 3: work out there, but it goes back to the theme
Speaker 3: of kind of like reclamation project, like a guy that
Speaker 3: had a decent or pretty good twenty three season, but
Speaker 3: not a good twenty four season.
Speaker 2: And you talked about it.
Speaker 3: Josh Myers was essentially a four year starter for the
Speaker 3: Green Bay Packers, but he's coming off a down year.
Speaker 3: Wasn't one of his best years in protection as well.
Speaker 3: And I talked about the psyche of going into free agency.
Speaker 3: Sometimes players just play a little tight. You don't know
Speaker 3: what they're doing schematically or what they're asking him to do.
Speaker 3: Was he maybe banged up last year as well and
Speaker 3: wanted to fight through some things because he was going
Speaker 3: to be a free agent.
Speaker 2: You just never know that.
Speaker 3: But for what the Jets signed him for, I think
Speaker 3: that's a home run pick one because again you talked
Speaker 3: about it, the continuity and synergy has with Justin Fields
Speaker 3: having a stat for him at Ohio State, and when
Speaker 3: you go back to his twenty three and twenty two tape,
Speaker 3: it was really good, like he was being considered as
Speaker 3: a top like five center in this league. So I
Speaker 3: love it from the standpoint because, yes, Joe Tipman is amazing,
Speaker 3: but you always need a consummate backup and then you're
Speaker 3: gonna want the best starting five out there.
Speaker 2: Now. Again, would love to keep Joe Tipman at.
Speaker 3: Center, but if Josh Mayas proved throughout training camp that
Speaker 3: with him at center Tipman at guard, that we have
Speaker 3: our best starting five, then you have to make that
Speaker 3: move right at the end of the day, it's about
Speaker 3: having the best starting five out there.
Speaker 2: And that's why I think a lot of.
Speaker 3: Times coaches more specifically trained or cross trained guys at
Speaker 3: different positions just for that instance. If something like that happens,
Speaker 3: say you got two really good centers, but you can't
Speaker 3: play two centers at one time, you move one guy
Speaker 3: to guard, and you have your best starting five out there.
Speaker 3: Let's not also forget Tipman plays some guard his rookie year,
Speaker 3: so that he has that versatility.
Speaker 2: To do that as well.
Speaker 3: Now, again I would love to keep Tipman at center,
Speaker 3: but you want to ultimately put your best starting five
Speaker 3: out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The bottom line is the Jets.
Speaker 5: You can expect them to continue to add to the
Speaker 5: offensive line. Look at where Aaron Glenn just came from
Speaker 5: to destroy life and it all started up front for them.
Speaker 1: So let's flip into the defensive side of the wall.
Speaker 5: How much credit did you give Mujie for getting a
Speaker 5: Sherwood deal down before he hits the market, because we
Speaker 5: were both in Indianapolis and everybody was talking about how
Speaker 5: many suitors he was gonna have if he hit free agency.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think people understood it. And I was
Speaker 3: saying that, you know this all last year. I was like,
Speaker 3: sure was gonna have a crazy market and people were
Speaker 3: looking at me crazy, and I'm like, if you watch
Speaker 3: the tape, this young man is an ascending player, like
Speaker 3: Pro Bowl type ascending player. And you saw his trajectory
Speaker 3: year in the year out like because he would start
Speaker 3: at Sam Becker for the Jets.
Speaker 2: But it's rare in today's NFL.
Speaker 3: The teams don't come out in eleven personnel, which means
Speaker 3: you're gonna go Nickel, which means.
Speaker 2: Your third linebacker is not gonna play.
Speaker 3: But every time he kind of spots started for CJ,
Speaker 3: he would just continue to make plays. And I remember
Speaker 3: talking to Robert slind He was saying, Jamie and Sherwood
Speaker 3: is one of the smartest players I've ever coached, right.
Speaker 3: He said that as a rookie, So you knew that
Speaker 3: the mental capacity was going to be there. He was
Speaker 3: making that transition from safety to linebacker, so you knew
Speaker 3: it was only a matter of time before he developed.
Speaker 2: The more reps he got, and you saw.
Speaker 3: The speed that he plays with I mean with him
Speaker 3: at Quincy Wilson, they might be maybe the fastest tandement
Speaker 3: linebacker in all the NFL because those guys get from.
Speaker 2: East to west extremely fast.
Speaker 3: Sherwood had ninety eight solo tackles, which is astronomical because
Speaker 3: he didn't even.
Speaker 2: Start in the beginning of the year.
Speaker 3: So like for him to have that type of production,
Speaker 3: there was going to be a great market.
Speaker 2: And then when you're that young and you're an.
Speaker 3: As sending player because you're only a one year starter,
Speaker 3: NFL is all about projection.
Speaker 2: EA, people are projecting it.
Speaker 3: He's going to be even better right in the future
Speaker 3: because he did only start one year. So I thought
Speaker 3: that was a key piece that they absolutely had to
Speaker 3: bring back. Shout out to Darren Moji to GM and
Speaker 3: also AG forgetting that deal done.
Speaker 5: They got both third quarterbacks done here in free agency
Speaker 5: on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 1: They targeted fields.
Speaker 5: They got him even though Pittsburgh wanted him back, and
Speaker 5: then they got Sherwood. They're Mike linebacker And shout out
Speaker 5: to CJ. Moseley, just an unbelievable professional throughout the time here. Yeah,
Speaker 5: the captain.
Speaker 1: Just a person who was adored throughout the building.
Speaker 5: And I'm not saying just inside that locker room, consummate professional.
Speaker 5: He had three straight seasons of one hundred and fifty
Speaker 5: plus tackles.
Speaker 1: When he went down.
Speaker 5: Though, Sherwood was ready, and Sherwood told me tous Moseley
Speaker 5: met everything to him and that is the circle of
Speaker 5: football life.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you couldn't have a better vet to learn from,
Speaker 3: right if you're Jamie and Sherwood than CJ. Mosley the captain.
Speaker 3: I mean, I go back to twenty nineteen when we
Speaker 3: signed him. EA, in that first half first Buffalo, he
Speaker 3: was clearly the best player on the field. I hated
Speaker 3: that injuries derailed him that season because I think he
Speaker 3: was going to have a very very special year. And
Speaker 3: then Covid happens the next year and we miss him
Speaker 3: for the entire season. But then you talk about it, right,
Speaker 3: twenty one, twenty two, and twenty three, three straight years
Speaker 3: of one hundred and fifty tackles, constant pro bowler, the guy,
Speaker 3: even when he was banged up, was showing up and
Speaker 3: laying it on the line. I mean there were there
Speaker 3: were games that probably most players would have shut it
Speaker 3: down and CJ. Moseley went out there and later on
Speaker 3: I vividly remember I think it was the twenty two
Speaker 3: season that goal line almost that goal line stands with CJ.
Speaker 3: Moseley smacked the running back from Denver and the whole
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, Like what that did to you? Ignite
Speaker 3: the defense? You know, that's that just encapsulates what CJ.
Speaker 2: Moseley is.
Speaker 3: Like, if there's a blade of grass to protect, he's
Speaker 3: going out there to do it. Like that's his mindset
Speaker 3: and his mentality. So can't thank him enough. We'll go
Speaker 3: down as one of the great Jets. I just hate
Speaker 3: that a few injuries kind of derailed him from being
Speaker 3: probably one of the greatest Jets linebackers in Jets history.
Speaker 1: Well said, dudes, Brandon Stevens.
Speaker 5: Do you view him now as CB two, as DJ
Speaker 5: Reid obviously exits and he ironically is going to Detroit?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the irony of that, right, But Brandon
Speaker 3: Stevens another guy. He's one of those guys like you
Speaker 3: know how he a coaches say, he's a guy that
Speaker 3: you want coming off the bus first, right, because he
Speaker 3: just looks the part, right. I believe he's like six
Speaker 3: two six' three and he's well put together and can.
Speaker 3: RUN i can, run, run and he's another. Player we
Speaker 3: talked About Andre cisco a little, bit and we're going
Speaker 3: to talk about him. More Josh Myers okafoor another guy
Speaker 3: that had a better twenty three season where he actually
Speaker 3: showed some versatility to play safety and, corner and last
Speaker 3: year had some struggles more.
Speaker 2: Specifically in man.
Speaker 3: Coverage so this goes back to conversations we were having
Speaker 3: before we came on the. Pod it'll be interesting to
Speaker 3: see the philosophy Of Steve wolks's defense because him And
Speaker 3: Aaron glenn kind of different in some manners where they
Speaker 3: both like the, pressure But aaron ag likes the pressure
Speaker 3: and go, man Where Steve wilkes likes the pressure.
Speaker 2: And goes zone dog and go zone, coverage.
Speaker 3: Right so it'll be interesting to see how they messed
Speaker 3: their philosophies together and what this defense will truly look
Speaker 3: like Because Brandon stevens again and this could be a confidence.
Speaker 2: Thing and this is the thing at.
Speaker 3: Corner when you get beat a few, times you got
Speaker 3: to have like a mindset of a. Fish and they
Speaker 3: say fishes forget things right, away but that can weigh
Speaker 3: on you as a, corner, right AND i think at
Speaker 3: times it may have weighed on him last. YEAR i
Speaker 3: THINK ag feels like with the tape that we saw
Speaker 3: in twenty, THREE i can develop this guy and get
Speaker 3: him out of this funk and get him back to
Speaker 3: playing with the confidence he was playing with at twenty,
Speaker 3: three because, again, yea he looks the, part he can,
Speaker 3: run and again he was really good in twenty, three
Speaker 3: just had some struggles in twenty.
Speaker 5: Four, Man i'm circ this coaching, staff especially at that
Speaker 5: cornerback in the secondary, spot because you Got Chris earrison,
Speaker 5: here you Got drake Bly in.
Speaker 1: Here these guys played the.
Speaker 5: Game Aaron glenn a first round, pick he played fifteen
Speaker 5: seasons in The National Football. League So i'm going to
Speaker 5: be fascinated to watch the development of some of the
Speaker 5: young players in defensive.
Speaker 1: Backfield And i'm.
Speaker 3: So glad you brought that up because Even Steve wilkes
Speaker 3: by trade as a defensive back.
Speaker 2: Coach.
Speaker 3: Right SO i think when you talk about getting some
Speaker 3: of these guys that are young with high upside that
Speaker 3: maybe didn't have as productive twenty fours as twenty, threes,
Speaker 3: well we have guys like Dra bli who played in
Speaker 3: The Super, bowl who's been A Pro. Bowler we HAVE
Speaker 3: ag who was a pro bowler with The New York.
Speaker 3: Jets we Have Steve, wilkes who was a defensive back
Speaker 3: coach by. Trade we have the guys here to get
Speaker 3: these guys back to playing at that high level that
Speaker 3: they played in twenty. Three so, again when they targeted
Speaker 3: guys in free, AGENCY i think a lot of that
Speaker 3: had to do with the coaching staff that was put
Speaker 3: in place that they're confident that they can get these
Speaker 3: guys back to playing at the high levels they were playing.
Speaker 5: At all, right we knew there were gonna be multiple
Speaker 5: changes at the safety position because The jets enter free
Speaker 5: agency with four guys who were on expiring. Deals with
Speaker 5: that being, said you Mentioned. Cisco he's a kid who
Speaker 5: was born In. Queens he grew up In Valley. Stream
Speaker 5: he want The. SYRACUSE i think his family had season
Speaker 5: tickets To jets, games so he's coming. HOME i like
Speaker 5: his ballwking. Ability and that's one thing where you can
Speaker 5: point to over the last few seasons for The, jets
Speaker 5: they just haven't had enough. Takeaways here is a guy
Speaker 5: who's athletic who's going to play that free safety position for.
Speaker 1: You can you speak to maybe when he was at
Speaker 1: his height in twenty.
Speaker 5: Three what was the difference between him and what you
Speaker 5: saw In jacksonville twenty four because that whole defensive backfield
Speaker 5: had issues In, jacksonville but it was the whole group.
Speaker 1: There.
Speaker 3: Ye we alluded to that in the beginning of this
Speaker 3: podcast that it had been it's kind of interesting to
Speaker 3: see what they were asking that secondary to. Do and
Speaker 3: then once again we talked about this With Brandon stevens.
Speaker 3: Earlier you, know as a defensive, back like you got
Speaker 3: to have the probably most confidence in any other position
Speaker 3: on the, FIELD i would, say besides, quarterback because you're
Speaker 3: going to get beat, sometimes, right but you have to
Speaker 3: let that go and be able to move. On he's
Speaker 3: at his best when he's the middlefield. Safety you talked
Speaker 3: about his ballhawking, ability him being able to go track the,
Speaker 3: football AND i think that's What Aaron glenn And Steve
Speaker 3: wolks will have him do here as. Well it wasn't
Speaker 3: to your, point it wasn't just, him the whole, secondary
Speaker 3: which was revamped a little bit last year For. JACKSONVILLE
Speaker 3: i would, say Besides jerry And, jones the young guy
Speaker 3: that they took From Florida state in the.
Speaker 2: Draft he actually had a pretty good.
Speaker 3: Year but besides, him nobody in that secondary really played
Speaker 3: well last.
Speaker 2: Year SO i know.
Speaker 3: This is it feels good For Andre cisco to be
Speaker 3: able to come back home a team that he cheered
Speaker 3: on when he was younger and to get a fresh.
Speaker 2: Start.
Speaker 3: Right SO i think, again Ag Steve Steve wilks their.
Speaker 3: Moujie they look at that twenty three tape and, saying
Speaker 3: this guy was unbelievable as a, middlefield you, know ballhawk and.
Speaker 3: Safety let's get him back to doing what he's good
Speaker 3: at and what he loves to. Do So i'm excited
Speaker 3: to see him get a fresh start In New york as.
Speaker 5: Well, okay so it sounds like The jets are gonna
Speaker 5: Get Isaiah oliver, back AND i think that is under
Speaker 5: the radar signing or agreed out a. Doubt he's A
Speaker 5: Swiss army, knife. Right he can do a lot of
Speaker 5: things in the, defense some backfield and need players like
Speaker 5: that in Today's National Football, league without a.
Speaker 3: Doubt he's a guy that can play in the. Slot
Speaker 3: he's a guy that can play. Safety he's a guy
Speaker 3: when you go dying, personnel when you have six dbs out,
Speaker 3: There he's the other guy that plays in the slot
Speaker 3: opposite Of Michael.
Speaker 2: Carter SO i love this. Now the thing that sucked
Speaker 2: for him last year he.
Speaker 3: Got banged up earlier in the year and missed a
Speaker 3: good portion of, games but he actually came on really
Speaker 3: strong towards the back end of the, year playing at
Speaker 3: the safety position and playing some slot corner Because Michael
Speaker 3: carter got banged. Up SO i really love the you talked.
Speaker 3: About it is, versatility him being A swiss army. KNIFE
Speaker 3: i twooted that when that, deal you, know like it
Speaker 3: was coming down the, pike THAT i love.
Speaker 2: This deal just because of his.
Speaker 3: Versatility AND i think we didn't get to see the
Speaker 3: Best Isaiah oliver because he was banged.
Speaker 2: Up now he played really well down the.
Speaker 3: Stretch But i'm looking forward to him getting integrated into
Speaker 3: this defense and again with his, versatility he could be
Speaker 3: competing to be the opposite starter Of Andre cisco in this. Defense,
Speaker 3: hey were.
Speaker 5: You And Bart scott celebrating when you heard The jets
Speaker 5: edition OF a one?
Speaker 3: Technique you, KNOW i was, LIKE i was so appy
Speaker 3: Because i've been saying this for the. Longest man like
Speaker 3: the defensive, line AND i don't think this takes away
Speaker 3: from the j just potentially taking a de tackle high
Speaker 3: in the. Draft but we've had to switch up multiple
Speaker 3: defensive tackles in multiple. YEARS i, Mean Javon kinlow's, Gone
Speaker 3: Solomon thomas is. Gone you, know before, that it Was Sheldon,
Speaker 3: Rankins Quintin. Jefferson SO i love the signing Of Derek
Speaker 3: nadi just because you Had Super bowl. Experience this guy
Speaker 3: before last. YEAR i believe was a starter for six
Speaker 3: or seven straight years for The Kansas City, chiefs AND
Speaker 3: i went back and watched That Super bowl. Game he
Speaker 3: still he can still play at a pretty high, level
Speaker 3: like in regards to being able to get off blocks and,
Speaker 3: be you, know be a tough out in the run.
Speaker 3: Game and that's something that The jets really need as.
Speaker 3: Well so not only did they sign, him they Signed
Speaker 3: jay To. Fela they also Signed Byron Cohart cohart who
Speaker 3: was actually coming off a career year with The Chicago
Speaker 3: bears as.
Speaker 2: Well so, again these are both young.
Speaker 3: Players that have high upside that didn't break the bank
Speaker 3: in regards to signing them in free.
Speaker 2: Agency all, right.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna talk about the draft upcom meaning.
Speaker 5: In a comprehensive, way but just right now here after
Speaker 5: a week in free. Agency if you're looking at The
Speaker 5: jets at number, seven let me throw some names at.
Speaker 5: You Tyler warren ste arline member Tackle, Missouri Will campbell
Speaker 5: tackle l S, U Mason graham defensive Tackle. Michigan do
Speaker 5: you all think do you think ultimately it's one of
Speaker 5: those four if The jets stay at.
Speaker 2: SEVEN i think there's a name you missied on that,
Speaker 2: List Tenor roe. McMillan, okay the big receiver From.
Speaker 3: Arizona but, YEAH i think it's gonna be one of
Speaker 3: those five. Names, okay If Mason graham isn't there at,
Speaker 3: seven which Again jacksonville could potentially take him at, FIVE
Speaker 3: i Think Arman membo is a, real real. Consideration we
Speaker 3: talked about right tackle still being in need for The,
Speaker 3: jets and this guy is clearly the best right tackle
Speaker 3: in this draft and it's not even.
Speaker 1: Close why is the stock?
Speaker 2: RISING i don't think.
Speaker 3: IT i don't think IT'S i, mean it may be
Speaker 3: rising to the outside, world BUT i don't think for
Speaker 3: for scouts it's. RISING i think he's always been in
Speaker 3: the consideration for a top ten, pick And i've talked
Speaker 3: to a few people we go back to a few
Speaker 3: years ago When Darnell, wright remember he ended up BEING i,
Speaker 3: believe the first tackle taking in the draft at number,
Speaker 3: ten and a lot of people were. Surprised we got
Speaker 3: to look at THE nfl, today like it's not just
Speaker 3: about being a blind side. Tackle the right tackles are
Speaker 3: getting picked just as much as the left tackles. Are,
Speaker 3: now people Consider Lane johnson the best tackle in, football
Speaker 3: and he's a right, tackle Right and then you go
Speaker 3: Into detroit and pinay, sewell he's a right tackle as,
Speaker 3: well and some people consider him one of the best
Speaker 3: or second best tackles in. Football so you're talking about,
Speaker 3: two if the best of not the best tackles in,
Speaker 3: football being right. Tackles so when you look at Our Mam,
Speaker 3: MEMBU i just go to That TEXAS a AND m,
Speaker 3: game because a lot of those dudes when that defensive
Speaker 3: line are going in the first, round and if not
Speaker 3: the first, round the second. Round and WHEN i tell,
Speaker 3: you he handled all of them and made it look
Speaker 3: easy at. Time the athletic ability to run off the
Speaker 3: line of scrimmage and cut people off on the, backside
Speaker 3: and the strength at the point of attack in his run,
Speaker 3: game the physicality and the ability and his kickstep to
Speaker 3: hold up against power when guys try to go speed to,
Speaker 3: power but also the athletic ability when guys try, to you,
Speaker 3: know use speed on the edge to run them by
Speaker 3: the quarterback or just dis mantle. Them like there's a
Speaker 3: saying that offensive line coaches use pass protection doesn't have
Speaker 3: to be, passive and he fits that mold because he's
Speaker 3: not passive in past protection at. All he's trying to
Speaker 3: take your heart out your. Soul SO i love it
Speaker 3: from a standpoint of how his mentality is.
Speaker 2: Now people were worried about his.
Speaker 3: HEIGHT i think he's still checked in at around six,
Speaker 3: three almost sixty.
Speaker 2: Four they worried about his arm. LENGTH i didn't think
Speaker 2: it was that big of an.
Speaker 3: Issue it wasn't an issue on tape, Either SO i
Speaker 3: think that's a home run pick if the jests do
Speaker 3: take him at. Seven BUT i brought Up tetoro McMillan
Speaker 3: just BECAUSE i think he would be the perfect compliment
Speaker 3: To Gary. Olson Like Garrett wilson is going to kill
Speaker 3: you in zone. Coverage he's gonna spot up in his zone.
Speaker 3: Coverage he knows how to beat man. Coverage but if
Speaker 3: you need that big receiver to go up and it's
Speaker 3: not fifty fifty jump balls With tetroll. McMillan it's more
Speaker 3: eighty twenty like he's coming down with the football if
Speaker 3: it's in its.
Speaker 2: Vicinity people were worried about his long.
Speaker 3: Speed believe he clocked in it between a four four
Speaker 3: eight and a four or five, five depending on who
Speaker 3: you talk to and what scout you talk. To before
Speaker 3: a guy that's six foot, four two hundred and fifteen,
Speaker 3: pounds that's plenty of speed. Enough i've seen him on
Speaker 3: tape on over routes separate from defensive. Backs and again
Speaker 3: his ability when all us, fails if you just give
Speaker 3: him an opportunity to go and high point the, football
Speaker 3: that's what he can. Do so When Justin fields gets
Speaker 3: in trouble and he sees that it's a man coverage
Speaker 3: on the outside Because garrett's getting double throw it up
Speaker 3: to Tennor, Rowe he's gonna come down with the.
Speaker 2: Football SO i think he could be a major need
Speaker 2: in the red.
Speaker 3: Zone but also when you talk about just that big
Speaker 3: body receiver that can go up and make plays for,
Speaker 3: you that's what he can. Do and people always worry
Speaker 3: about bigger receivers getting in and out of breaks on.
Speaker 2: Tape it's not a issue for.
Speaker 3: Him.
Speaker 5: Man that is a great teams for what's to come
Speaker 5: in the. Weeks Head, DEUCE i was fun as always
Speaker 5: and we'll catch.
Speaker 1: Up h