WEBVTT - Selects: Mangroves: Nature's Best Tree?

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, everyone. I hope you're enjoying your Saturday morning and

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<v Speaker 1>your weekend so far, and I hope this episode makes

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<v Speaker 1>it a little bit better because it's about one of

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite trees, the mangrove. I discovered mangroves in person

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<v Speaker 1>when I went to Coastal Mexico for the first time,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll tell you what, I fell in love with

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<v Speaker 1>these things. They are amazing. Mangroves colon Nature's best tree,

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<v Speaker 1>I think.

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<v Speaker 2>So welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's Chuck

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<v Speaker 3>and there's Jerry over there. So let's get to it.

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<v Speaker 3>While we're talking about mangroves. Everybody mangroves gather around while

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<v Speaker 3>we talk about mangrove.

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<v Speaker 1>My new favorite tree.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a great tree. It's a good favorite tree to.

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<v Speaker 1>Have, it is, and this is one of those. I

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<v Speaker 1>think this is the second and probably final that was

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<v Speaker 1>inspired by my recent trip to Mexico because we were

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<v Speaker 1>surrounded by mangroves, literally surrounded by mangroves, and we couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>get enough of them, and like riding the bikes round

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<v Speaker 1>and looking in these mangrove forests and considering what it

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<v Speaker 1>must be like to try and navigate through them, nearly impossible,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, because yeah, I mean you've seen them

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<v Speaker 1>in person. I'm sure like just how dense these things are.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know we're gonna be talking about different kinds,

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<v Speaker 1>but really sort of the money mangroves sure are the

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<v Speaker 1>ones that we're going to focus on, and they are

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<v Speaker 1>just I was knocked out just by how they looked,

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<v Speaker 1>and I could tell that they were a remarkable wonder

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<v Speaker 1>of nature and evolution. And then after this stuff Dave

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<v Speaker 1>Rus helped us put this together, after learning everything that

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<v Speaker 1>they're capable of, it's just like, what kind of tree

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<v Speaker 1>is this? It's amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>It's an amazing tree. Like I said, it's maybe one

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<v Speaker 3>of the best trees to have as your favorite tree,

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<v Speaker 3>because there are very few trees that are this amazing,

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<v Speaker 3>Chuck Man, and we're talking mangroves, and we should say

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<v Speaker 3>mangroves aren't necessarily like a species or even a family

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<v Speaker 3>of tree. One of the other things that makes them

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<v Speaker 3>such a cool tree to have as a favorite is

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<v Speaker 3>that there's something like eighty or ninety species of them,

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<v Speaker 3>and they're not genetically related in every case. Instead, biologists

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<v Speaker 3>classify them by their ability to survive and even thrive

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<v Speaker 3>in salty water, that in soil that has little to

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<v Speaker 3>no oxygen, which are two things that most trees can't do.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's just the tip of the iceberg in what

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<v Speaker 3>makes mangroves so amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but like I said, we're talking mainly about those

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<v Speaker 1>amazing trees that sit up above the water with this

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<v Speaker 1>network of you know, look like fingers just sort of

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<v Speaker 1>propping up the tree, which are the roots. They are

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<v Speaker 1>a woodland tree, also could be called a shrub, and

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<v Speaker 1>they grow in a pretty narrow area between well they're

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<v Speaker 1>subtropical along the coastlines first of all, but they grow

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<v Speaker 1>between literally between the terrestrial and the marine environment in

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<v Speaker 1>salty brackish water.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and there's I want to say a lot of them.

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<v Speaker 3>It's really not though. I think they make up like

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<v Speaker 3>one percent of the forests of the world mangrove forests are.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's still eighty five thousand square miles, which is

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<v Speaker 3>a pretty decent amount of area for you know, one

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<v Speaker 3>kind of tree. It's about the size of the state

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<v Speaker 3>of Arkansas, and the largest mangrove forest in the world

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<v Speaker 3>is at the mouth of the Ganges near the Bay

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<v Speaker 3>of Bengal. It's called the Sundarbans and that's where the

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<v Speaker 3>Bengal tiger lives, which is pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Agreed. They exist in one hundred and eighteen countries and

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<v Speaker 1>here in the United States, in Texas, Louisiana, and Florida.

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<v Speaker 1>And I thought, oh, surely the Georgia coast so close

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<v Speaker 1>to Florida, surely they've got some mangroves.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't even try.

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<v Speaker 1>Not quite that. I did see some people that were like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's so mangroves, but it's not true. It looks like

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<v Speaker 1>the closest mangroves are about forty miles from the Georgia border,

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<v Speaker 1>near the Georgia coast line. So it was really sad

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<v Speaker 1>that we don't have our mangroves. But they do have

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<v Speaker 1>them in Florida and Louisiana and Texas, in Mexico, that's right.

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<v Speaker 3>And again you said that they grow subtropically, and Chuck,

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<v Speaker 3>I want to share that it was just today that

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<v Speaker 3>I finally stopped and was like, this subtropical thing is

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<v Speaker 3>driving me crazy, Like it's above the tropics on either side.

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<v Speaker 3>It's either above or below, depending on where your perspective,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's not below. It's not below the equator. And

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<v Speaker 3>then I realized, if you're on the equator from the

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<v Speaker 3>perspective of the equator, it's below the equator on either side,

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<v Speaker 3>so it's sub tropical.

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<v Speaker 1>You've never stood on the equator.

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<v Speaker 3>I never have, and I think I can be a blame.

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<v Speaker 3>I've never been to Ecuador.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we should go sometime. We should do a podcast

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<v Speaker 1>live live from the equator.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and see if we melt.

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<v Speaker 1>I know I will. I'm melting this week. As far

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<v Speaker 1>as man the money mangroves that I was talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about red, black and white, and for my money,

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<v Speaker 1>I love those red mangroves. Those are the ones that

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<v Speaker 1>grow along the water's edge. They have those proper roots

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<v Speaker 1>that and if you've never seen a ma mangrove, please

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<v Speaker 1>just look up red mangrove. And they're called prop roots

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<v Speaker 1>because they prop that tree up off the ground. They

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<v Speaker 1>are fully well, not fully exposed because they also go

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<v Speaker 1>into the water, into the soil, but they are largely

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<v Speaker 1>exposed and they are just tangled, gnarly beautiful roots that again,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine trying to navigate through a mangrove forest.

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<v Speaker 1>You probably had to go around.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it can be really really thick, both above water

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<v Speaker 3>and below water because of those roots. So those roots,

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<v Speaker 3>if you see them, that means that it's low tide.

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<v Speaker 3>At high tide, they're usually covered up with water. But

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<v Speaker 3>it's like you said, they prop the tree up, and

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<v Speaker 3>so for that reason, because at low tide you can

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<v Speaker 3>see the bottom of the tree and it's above ground.

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<v Speaker 3>They're sometimes called walking trees, but they're pretty neat. And

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<v Speaker 3>the red mangrove is I think anyone who knows about

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<v Speaker 3>mangroves or seen a mangrove probably is what they're thinking

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<v Speaker 3>of as a red mangrove because they're just those those

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<v Speaker 3>roots are just so characteristic and unusual, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the black mangroves are still really cool looking because

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<v Speaker 1>they have these protrusions coming up out of the water

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<v Speaker 1>called neumataphores and just you know, put a pin in

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<v Speaker 1>this they but they allow the plant to basically breathe.

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<v Speaker 1>And we'll talk about that later. But if you look

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<v Speaker 1>at a picture of these, it looks sort of like

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<v Speaker 1>almost like little just spiky roots sticking up out of

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<v Speaker 1>the ground all around the tree.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, almost like stalagmites. Yeah, and I got that right too,

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<v Speaker 3>by the way, right, white mangroves are. It's weird. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't understand fully why they're considered mangroves aside from the

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<v Speaker 3>fact that they must still thrive and brackish or salty

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<v Speaker 3>water and poor poor oxygen soil, that's it. But I

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<v Speaker 3>guess so. But they grow inland and they have normal

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<v Speaker 3>shallow root systems like any other terrestrial tree, but they're

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<v Speaker 3>still considered mangroves.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I don't think I've mentioned the black mangroves

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<v Speaker 1>to grow a little bit further inland than the reds.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So if you are, you know, looking at a

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<v Speaker 3>cross section of the ocean hitting the land and going inland,

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<v Speaker 3>you would see at the ocean or at the bay

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<v Speaker 3>or wherever, red mangroves on the shoreline actually growing into

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<v Speaker 3>the ocean, depending on where the tide is behind them.

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<v Speaker 3>You would have the black mangroves on slightly higher ground,

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<v Speaker 3>and then behind those on the highest ground you would

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<v Speaker 3>have the white mangroves. And that's what it would look like.

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<v Speaker 3>You put it all together, well, you have as a

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<v Speaker 3>mangrove forest also known as a mangal.

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<v Speaker 1>A mangal, which is one of the more amazing We're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be talking about a lot of amazing things about

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<v Speaker 1>mangroves and mangoals. But it's the only species of tree

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<v Speaker 1>that can grow in salt water, and big time they grow.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's not like they love the salt. We'll see

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<v Speaker 1>in a minute. They have some great ways of getting

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<v Speaker 1>rid of it, but they figured all that stuff out.

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<v Speaker 1>But they can grow in salinity levels of seventy five

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<v Speaker 1>parts per thousand, which is about twice as salty as

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<v Speaker 1>ocean water.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's pretty impressive because I mean, where are they

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<v Speaker 3>growing that's twice as salty as ocean water? You know,

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's just kind of showing off at that point.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I didn't know if like that inland water, like

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<v Speaker 1>just accumulate salt or something.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I would, Yeah, I think you might be right. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I think you've hit upon it. Okay, So they're not

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<v Speaker 3>show offs. They're just doing what they've got to do.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean that they're making lemonade out of the lemons

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<v Speaker 3>that they were handed by natural selection for where they grow.

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<v Speaker 1>So what about the salt. How do they get rid

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<v Speaker 1>of it?

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<v Speaker 3>So you would think like they just they can drink

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<v Speaker 3>salt water and use it like you know terrestrial trees

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<v Speaker 3>use water. Not true. There's actually two techniques where they

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<v Speaker 3>can either keep salt from entering their roots or they

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<v Speaker 3>can take the salt in and then get rid of

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<v Speaker 3>it in certain ways. And so that means that there's

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<v Speaker 3>two types secreters and non secrets. And black mangroves are secrets,

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<v Speaker 3>I believe, right.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. Those are the ones with a little nubby

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<v Speaker 1>they look like sticks almost sticking out of the water.

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<v Speaker 1>They filter it out and they secrete it on the leaves.

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<v Speaker 1>So that means if you see a black mangrove and

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<v Speaker 1>you see some you know, kind of chalky white stuff

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<v Speaker 1>on the leaf that is salt, like goat, well, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if I should say go lick it, because

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that's dangerous salt, but it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Just trust me, it tastes like salt and DDT gosh.

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<v Speaker 3>Red mangroves they're non secrets. So they actually just don't

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<v Speaker 3>allow salt to be taken up by their roots. Now

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<v Speaker 3>that's easier said than done, because their roots are planted

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<v Speaker 3>in the water, right, so there's water. They're taking up

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<v Speaker 3>water from the ocean, from salt water. And what they

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<v Speaker 3>do is they have cell walls that actually act through

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<v Speaker 3>reverse osmosis. It lets water through, but it doesn't let

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<v Speaker 3>solids through, which is quite a trick. I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 3>something that humans have only recently figured out how to do.

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<v Speaker 3>Mangroves have been doing it for who knows how many

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<v Speaker 3>hundreds of thousands or millions of years. But they do

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<v Speaker 3>it in part because they have this hydrophobic, lipophilic material

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<v Speaker 3>called suberin that really serves them.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's right. It allows them to get rid of

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<v Speaker 1>more than ninety percent of the salts in the water,

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<v Speaker 1>which also means which I better really think about until

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<v Speaker 1>just now, that they can literally toller I guess about

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<v Speaker 1>ten percent salt content.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I saw ninety to ninety five percent. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that's still a lot of salt for a plant, totally. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So they have at least adapted in some ways to

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<v Speaker 3>tolerate salt more than other plants. But for the most part,

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<v Speaker 3>they're just really good at at keeping salt from being

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<v Speaker 3>taken up by their roots. I just find that fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>And I love how Dave puts these. His sections are

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<v Speaker 1>labeled either mangrove Magic Tricks or what was the other one,

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<v Speaker 1>mangrove Superpowers. Yeah, and that's pretty fun.

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<v Speaker 3>They're both apt they are.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is magic trick number two. Is we mentioned?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I mentioned earlier that they actually breathe through

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<v Speaker 1>these roots. I think typically you might like to think

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<v Speaker 1>about plants as you know, just eating up that CO two,

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<v Speaker 1>which they definitely do. But plants need oxygen and they

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<v Speaker 1>need to get oxygen from the roots, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>with a regular tree and a regular forest, they're getting

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<v Speaker 1>that like through the soil and these little gaps between

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<v Speaker 1>the soil in mangrove or mangols. I guess you would

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<v Speaker 1>say they can't do that because the tidal sediments come

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<v Speaker 1>in and it's all water log and compacted, so they

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<v Speaker 1>don't have those air gaps that you have in a

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<v Speaker 1>normal forest. So they kind of came up with a

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<v Speaker 1>brilliant little trick to get around that, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So the pneumataphors that black mangroves have, those stalagmites

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<v Speaker 3>that are coming up in spikes around them, those act

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<v Speaker 3>as snorkels. So they stick up out of the water

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<v Speaker 3>and they're covered in these little cells called lenisoles, and

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<v Speaker 3>that's where oxygen exchange happens, so they actually absorb oxygen

0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:50.439
<v Speaker 3>through these snorkels. They get taken into the snorkel underground,

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<v Speaker 3>into the other roots of the tree and used for

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<v Speaker 3>aerobic respiration, which is converting food into energy.

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<v Speaker 1>Just pretty and nu metaphor actually is Greek for air carrier,

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<v Speaker 1>so makes sense. Pretty on the nose.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, some of those new metaphors can reach up to

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<v Speaker 3>ten feet tall. Did you see that?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I didn't. I looked at a lot of pictures.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't see any. That's all with my eyeballs, but

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<v Speaker 1>I looked because I wanted to see that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I didn't see it either, could be made up.

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<v Speaker 1>So then you've got this, I don't think. So. Then

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<v Speaker 1>you've got these red mangroves that we talked about for

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<v Speaker 1>my money, like the money mangrove, and those proper roots

0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:35.160
<v Speaker 1>serve the same purpose as the new metaphors. They you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, they sit up on those long, sort

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<v Speaker 1>of curvy stilts and they stay above water, like a

0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:45.040
<v Speaker 1>lot of it stays above water even at high tide

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<v Speaker 1>at times, and they are also covered with those linisols

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<v Speaker 1>and they do the same thing. They allow for that

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<v Speaker 1>oxygen exchange to take place.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so that explains also why there's so many roots

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<v Speaker 3>and so many noumataphors that spread around these trees. It's

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<v Speaker 3>like if you dug up a tree of roughly the

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<v Speaker 3>same size, it would probably have a similar sized root structure,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe a little less, but you don't see it. It's

0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:14.120
<v Speaker 3>all underground. This is above ground, so it like looks

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<v Speaker 3>like a lot of roots, and it is a lot

0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:19.239
<v Speaker 3>of roots, but it's not necessarily more than a terrestrial

0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:20.960
<v Speaker 3>tree would have. We just don't see them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like a tree that is dropped trow.

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<v Speaker 3>That's exactly right. It's porky pig in it.

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<v Speaker 1>Should we should we take a break at mangrove Magic

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<v Speaker 1>trick number two?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>To number three?

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<v Speaker 3>Pick Yeah, we'll come back with number three right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Shit.

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<v Speaker 3>So, Chuck, which mangrove is your favorite kind?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think I've been clear. I know you're teasing

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<v Speaker 1>me because me and my red mangrove tirades. To me,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the best part of the episode and the

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<v Speaker 1>most amazing thing that maybe besides, and we'll get to

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<v Speaker 1>carbon sequestration because it's amazing too. But to me, this

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<v Speaker 1>just knocked my socks off that mangroves kind of give

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<v Speaker 1>birth to baby mangroves.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the only reason you want to qualify it

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<v Speaker 3>with kind of is because our mind rails against accepting

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<v Speaker 3>that that's what's going on. But that is what's going

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<v Speaker 3>on for all intents and purposes. That some mangroves are viviparous,

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<v Speaker 3>meaning that it means live bearing to where they have

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<v Speaker 3>seeds on their plants that they develop. They're about acorn sized.

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<v Speaker 3>But then rather than the seed falling off and dispersing

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<v Speaker 3>and then eventually growing into a seedling, something much more

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<v Speaker 3>mind blowing happens with mangoes.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. The seedling is actually produced on the tree itself,

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<v Speaker 1>and they they sort of that sort of I keep

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<v Speaker 1>qualifying it, They self plant themselves. Eventually this thing is

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<v Speaker 1>going to fall off. You've got to look up the

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<v Speaker 1>video on the internet. There are many out there where

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<v Speaker 1>it shows these you know, acorn like things, they grow

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<v Speaker 1>down to these sort of long arrow like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>green arrows that are pointing down and eventually they just

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<v Speaker 1>go whoop, and they snap off and they go straight

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<v Speaker 1>down and they either stick into the ground at low

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<v Speaker 1>tide or I saw them in two feet of ocean water,

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<v Speaker 1>just going straight through and sticking into the sand and

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<v Speaker 1>they plant themselves.

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<v Speaker 3>They do. They plant themselves in that sandy bottom, and

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<v Speaker 3>then they sprout roots really fast. I saw that they

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<v Speaker 3>can start growing roots within hours, which means that also

0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:56.920
<v Speaker 3>if they don't fall straight down, if they fall and

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<v Speaker 3>they land on their side, they can actually stay themselves

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<v Speaker 3>up by growing roots on the ground facing side and

0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:07.200
<v Speaker 3>then grow roots on the other side as well, which

0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:10.080
<v Speaker 3>is pretty amazing. What's even more amazing is that if

0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:12.640
<v Speaker 3>they fall, they happen to fall it like high tide,

0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:14.680
<v Speaker 3>and it's pretty deep, and they never touch the bottom

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<v Speaker 3>in any way. They'll float along, they'll go out to

0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:21.080
<v Speaker 3>sea and as they're out to see they're a little

0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:26.000
<v Speaker 3>tree growing like growing leaves, getting water from the ocean

0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:29.160
<v Speaker 3>and doing photosynthesis in the sunlight. And they can float

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<v Speaker 3>around for up to a year before they make land

0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:35.560
<v Speaker 3>and stand themselves up and grow roots wherever they land.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just unbelievable because this was an evolutionary adaptation. Because

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<v Speaker 1>my first thought was, well, why doesn't the acorn like

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<v Speaker 1>seed just fall into the water and float around. But

0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:52.200
<v Speaker 1>it must have just not been able to survive and

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<v Speaker 1>got water logged and died and adapted to grow on

0:17:56.320 --> 0:17:58.680
<v Speaker 1>the tree itself and get that little seedling started.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because think about this, chuck. A seedling is a small,

0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:05.719
<v Speaker 3>viable tree. It has everything it needs to grow. So

0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:12.240
<v Speaker 3>it's an individual organism. And when the mangrove is growing

0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:16.960
<v Speaker 3>the seedling on its tree, on itself, that's gestation. Because

0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:19.399
<v Speaker 3>when it drops off, it's like a girafte dropping a

0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:22.960
<v Speaker 3>baby out like three or four feet above above the ground.

0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:26.240
<v Speaker 3>It's the same thing. It's gestation. It's a live birth

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<v Speaker 3>of a plant. It's nuts, man, I love it.

0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:32.359
<v Speaker 1>And the baby draft sticks its nose into the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>It grows from there for.

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<v Speaker 3>Months and months, plant some roots out of its head,

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<v Speaker 3>and there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about the mangoals a little bit. We've talked

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<v Speaker 1>about the fact that these forests are very dense, but

0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:48.920
<v Speaker 1>it is a dense ecosystem that is dense in more

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<v Speaker 1>ways than one. It's not just all these gnarly roots

0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:54.399
<v Speaker 1>that you see everywhere. There are all kinds of fish

0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:58.480
<v Speaker 1>habitats and wildlife habitats that exist in these mangoals.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. One of the reason why these root systems and

0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:06.040
<v Speaker 3>why the above water parts of the trees are all

0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:08.600
<v Speaker 3>just so thick, like you were saying it's so hard

0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:10.880
<v Speaker 3>to get through, is because of the way that they

0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:15.280
<v Speaker 3>drop seedlings right off of their tree right around them.

0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:19.000
<v Speaker 3>So these mangols develop into these really thick deposits of

0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:22.840
<v Speaker 3>trees and shrubs above water and below water because they

0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:26.080
<v Speaker 3>grow so closely together, and as they grow, they migrate

0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:28.560
<v Speaker 3>one way or another, or they just spread out one

0:19:28.600 --> 0:19:31.080
<v Speaker 3>way or another, sometimes towards the ocean, sometimes behind them,

0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:34.120
<v Speaker 3>sometimes to either side of the shore. But that's how

0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:37.480
<v Speaker 3>they grow, and that's why they're so dense too, and.

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<v Speaker 1>That provides a lot of protection for these habitats. They

0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:43.520
<v Speaker 1>are all manner of fish. If you're in Florida, you're

0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:46.120
<v Speaker 1>gonna see gray snapper in there, or you probably won't

0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:51.479
<v Speaker 1>see them snook tarpin. This is pretty remarkable that goliath grouper,

0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:56.600
<v Speaker 1>which is actually endangered, spends their first six years in

0:19:56.600 --> 0:19:58.520
<v Speaker 1>that mangol before it goes to open water.

0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:01.399
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and it's not like a few kinds of fish,

0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:07.679
<v Speaker 3>like things like octopi sharks, shrimp, molluscs, just tons of

0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:10.800
<v Speaker 3>different kinds of fish, Like this is their nursery ground

0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:14.359
<v Speaker 3>because these roots, these tangle of roots, provide a place

0:20:14.400 --> 0:20:18.159
<v Speaker 3>for juveniles to hide out of reach of predators and

0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:20.760
<v Speaker 3>get bigger and bigger because it's also a very nourishing

0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:24.480
<v Speaker 3>place for them to eat too. So they're really really

0:20:24.520 --> 0:20:28.560
<v Speaker 3>important as nurseries for all kinds of sea life.

0:20:28.680 --> 0:20:32.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and if you're talking about eating seafood, the commercial

0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:35.240
<v Speaker 1>fishing industry, and this just sort of shows you how

0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:40.080
<v Speaker 1>important these mangoals are. A one square mile loss of mangroves,

0:20:40.359 --> 0:20:43.240
<v Speaker 1>for us would lose about two hundred and seventy five

0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:48.280
<v Speaker 1>thousand pounds of fish every year. And then that's not

0:20:48.359 --> 0:20:54.359
<v Speaker 1>even to speak of all the indigenous communities that rely

0:20:54.480 --> 0:20:56.320
<v Speaker 1>on these fish to provide their sustenance.

0:20:57.119 --> 0:20:59.320
<v Speaker 3>Right, And so that's just the below water part of

0:20:59.320 --> 0:21:02.000
<v Speaker 3>the mangol. The above water part of the mangol basically

0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:05.919
<v Speaker 3>does the same thing. But for terrestrial and arboreal animals

0:21:05.960 --> 0:21:11.359
<v Speaker 3>like monkeys, insects, reptiles, birds, they make their home and

0:21:11.400 --> 0:21:16.440
<v Speaker 3>their nurseries in those the mangols too. The branches, the leaves,

0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:20.160
<v Speaker 3>the trunks, those are really just as important for above

0:21:20.200 --> 0:21:23.040
<v Speaker 3>ground animals as they are for below water animals.

0:21:23.359 --> 0:21:27.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And you mentioned that Bengal tiger. This was also

0:21:28.240 --> 0:21:33.240
<v Speaker 1>in the sum darbins, right. Yes, And this is the

0:21:33.359 --> 0:21:36.840
<v Speaker 1>largest single population of Bengal tigers on planet Earth, and

0:21:36.880 --> 0:21:39.000
<v Speaker 1>it's only about one hundred of them, but they live

0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:40.680
<v Speaker 1>in these mangols.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes. And also attention, Kristen Bell, if you are ambivalent

0:21:46.880 --> 0:21:52.199
<v Speaker 3>about mangrove forests, prepared to care because in Panama, the

0:21:52.359 --> 0:21:56.800
<v Speaker 3>pigmy three toadsloth, critically endangered by the way, only makes

0:21:56.800 --> 0:22:00.840
<v Speaker 3>its home in mangrove forests. Sound there, right, So you

0:22:00.920 --> 0:22:01.720
<v Speaker 3>got to care now.

0:22:02.640 --> 0:22:04.320
<v Speaker 1>I still watch that video of her in that sloth

0:22:04.359 --> 0:22:07.520
<v Speaker 1>about once every two years. Yes, It's just one of

0:22:07.600 --> 0:22:09.639
<v Speaker 1>the great human reactions to something.

0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:12.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. And I remember how hardened we were when we

0:22:12.160 --> 0:22:14.919
<v Speaker 3>realized that she didn't touch it, even though you clearly

0:22:14.920 --> 0:22:16.960
<v Speaker 3>wanted to more than she's ever wanted to do anything

0:22:17.000 --> 0:22:18.879
<v Speaker 3>in her life. But she doesn't. She didn't do it,

0:22:18.960 --> 0:22:20.199
<v Speaker 3>you know, so good for her.

0:22:20.320 --> 0:22:22.960
<v Speaker 1>It's pretty great. I think we can move on to

0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:24.240
<v Speaker 1>some superpowers, right.

0:22:24.920 --> 0:22:29.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, mangrove superpower number one, which is coastline protection, which

0:22:29.600 --> 0:22:31.720
<v Speaker 3>is pretty important if you live along the coast.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is a big one. One great benefit of

0:22:36.400 --> 0:22:40.800
<v Speaker 1>all those above ground gnarly mess of roots that are

0:22:40.800 --> 0:22:43.960
<v Speaker 1>everywhere is and it just makes perfect common sense when

0:22:43.960 --> 0:22:46.800
<v Speaker 1>you look at them. Is they make great wave breaks

0:22:47.840 --> 0:22:50.840
<v Speaker 1>any kind of wave, even like a tsunamic.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that a word?

0:22:52.520 --> 0:22:52.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:22:52.720 --> 0:22:55.199
<v Speaker 3>It is now I think it's a great word. Right.

0:22:55.240 --> 0:22:58.880
<v Speaker 1>Tsunami's wave is going to be cut down big time

0:22:59.040 --> 0:23:01.639
<v Speaker 1>when it hits. This stuff is just gonna, you know,

0:23:01.720 --> 0:23:03.560
<v Speaker 1>just cut through and disperse it in in a really

0:23:03.600 --> 0:23:04.240
<v Speaker 1>profound way.

0:23:05.200 --> 0:23:08.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because there's so many different like roots and individual

0:23:08.520 --> 0:23:11.320
<v Speaker 3>things to bump into on the way to the shore

0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:14.480
<v Speaker 3>that it's going to reduce its energy, which means that

0:23:14.720 --> 0:23:18.320
<v Speaker 3>it reduces one of the pernicious effects that waves have

0:23:18.440 --> 0:23:21.359
<v Speaker 3>on shore, which is erosion. And not only does it

0:23:21.440 --> 0:23:24.280
<v Speaker 3>reduce erosion because the waves don't have enough energy to

0:23:24.320 --> 0:23:27.600
<v Speaker 3>take stuff back out to sea, it actually has them

0:23:27.720 --> 0:23:31.040
<v Speaker 3>deposit the sediments that they're bringing to the shore in

0:23:31.119 --> 0:23:34.040
<v Speaker 3>the mangrove swamps. And if you compare it, if you

0:23:34.080 --> 0:23:38.159
<v Speaker 3>combine that, i should say, with the really low oxygen

0:23:40.119 --> 0:23:43.320
<v Speaker 3>environments that make up the mucky bottom in a mangrove

0:23:43.520 --> 0:23:47.320
<v Speaker 3>mangal I guess you can kind of flash back to

0:23:47.359 --> 0:23:49.600
<v Speaker 3>our coal the Mystery of Coal episode where we talked

0:23:49.600 --> 0:23:53.280
<v Speaker 3>a lot about how swamps work like that. So mangrove

0:23:53.280 --> 0:23:55.479
<v Speaker 3>swamps are very much like that as well. But then

0:23:55.520 --> 0:23:59.040
<v Speaker 3>in addition to that, they have ocean sediments being brought

0:23:59.080 --> 0:24:01.440
<v Speaker 3>all this organic stuff being brought from the ocean's layering

0:24:01.520 --> 0:24:05.440
<v Speaker 3>with the mucky sediment that from the mangroves falling into

0:24:05.480 --> 0:24:08.840
<v Speaker 3>the muck, which means that they're like holding on to

0:24:09.440 --> 0:24:12.679
<v Speaker 3>a lot of stuff and building up soil as a

0:24:12.720 --> 0:24:15.920
<v Speaker 3>matter of fact, so much so that they outpaces sea

0:24:16.000 --> 0:24:17.720
<v Speaker 3>level rises in some areas.

0:24:18.240 --> 0:24:20.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I mean this kind of falls under one of

0:24:20.160 --> 0:24:23.200
<v Speaker 1>their other superpowers is the fact that they are literally

0:24:23.600 --> 0:24:28.679
<v Speaker 1>sequestering carbon. But I think that they add about and

0:24:28.840 --> 0:24:30.399
<v Speaker 1>we'll get to that in more detail in a minute.

0:24:30.400 --> 0:24:34.960
<v Speaker 1>But in Australia, some mangrove or some mangals in Australian

0:24:34.960 --> 0:24:39.879
<v Speaker 1>belize at about ten millimeters or more of coastal soil

0:24:40.000 --> 0:24:43.159
<v Speaker 1>each year one hundredth of a meter. Yeah, I mean,

0:24:43.200 --> 0:24:46.240
<v Speaker 1>that doesn't sound like that much, but a sea level

0:24:46.320 --> 0:24:48.800
<v Speaker 1>rise is coming in at about three point two meters

0:24:48.840 --> 0:24:51.679
<v Speaker 1>a year or so in parts of Australian belize it

0:24:51.720 --> 0:24:53.639
<v Speaker 1>is actually outpacing climate change.

0:24:53.840 --> 0:24:56.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's pretty cool, and that's really really important because

0:24:56.760 --> 0:24:59.159
<v Speaker 3>the sea levels rise. If the soil level is rising,

0:24:59.400 --> 0:25:01.040
<v Speaker 3>we don't have to work quite as much about sea

0:25:01.119 --> 0:25:04.040
<v Speaker 3>level rise there. But that's only in some spots, as

0:25:04.040 --> 0:25:04.600
<v Speaker 3>we'll see.

0:25:05.040 --> 0:25:07.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and as far as the waves go, and we're

0:25:07.920 --> 0:25:11.720
<v Speaker 1>talking about tsunamis well with just regular waves. For every

0:25:11.720 --> 0:25:14.640
<v Speaker 1>one hundred meters of a mangro forest that a wave

0:25:14.680 --> 0:25:18.640
<v Speaker 1>will hit, its height can decrease by as much as

0:25:18.680 --> 0:25:19.760
<v Speaker 1>sixty six percent.

0:25:20.320 --> 0:25:20.840
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

0:25:21.359 --> 0:25:25.359
<v Speaker 1>And if you're looking at storm surges, which is you know,

0:25:25.400 --> 0:25:27.119
<v Speaker 1>one of the big dangers, it's not just the wave,

0:25:27.119 --> 0:25:31.000
<v Speaker 1>it's that water surge. If you listen to our tsunami episode,

0:25:31.600 --> 0:25:35.840
<v Speaker 1>there was a study that found that surge depths were

0:25:35.880 --> 0:25:38.879
<v Speaker 1>reduced about a little over a foot and a half

0:25:39.400 --> 0:25:43.040
<v Speaker 1>for every little more than a half a mile fifty

0:25:43.080 --> 0:25:46.840
<v Speaker 1>centimeters over every kilometer. And that doesn't sound like a ton,

0:25:47.000 --> 0:25:50.199
<v Speaker 1>but if you've got a mangrove forest that's you know,

0:25:50.280 --> 0:25:53.359
<v Speaker 1>several miles deep, then we're talking you know, six or

0:25:53.440 --> 0:25:58.320
<v Speaker 1>seven feet of less storm surge happening, and that can

0:25:58.400 --> 0:25:59.960
<v Speaker 1>make a really big difference. In flow.

0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:02.960
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, because the storm surges would get you. I

0:26:02.960 --> 0:26:06.000
<v Speaker 3>mean it can flood miles and miles inland. It carries

0:26:06.040 --> 0:26:09.000
<v Speaker 3>all sorts of debris with it. It has so much energy

0:26:09.040 --> 0:26:12.040
<v Speaker 3>it can just rip buildings down. It's a real problem

0:26:12.119 --> 0:26:15.320
<v Speaker 3>from hurricanes. It's that flooding from the storm surge. But

0:26:15.440 --> 0:26:18.560
<v Speaker 3>because those mangroves are there to absorb a bunch of

0:26:18.560 --> 0:26:21.680
<v Speaker 3>that energy, it just doesn't have the opportunity to come

0:26:21.720 --> 0:26:25.679
<v Speaker 3>nearly as far inland. So mangrove forests, especially thick ones,

0:26:26.119 --> 0:26:29.760
<v Speaker 3>save human lives and you would guess animal lives too.

0:26:30.359 --> 0:26:33.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And we've seen the sort of this bear out

0:26:33.119 --> 0:26:37.800
<v Speaker 1>in very sad ways when mangro forests have disappeared. I

0:26:37.800 --> 0:26:41.119
<v Speaker 1>think it was in the Indo Pacific region in the

0:26:41.200 --> 0:26:44.520
<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifties they used to have about five miles like

0:26:44.760 --> 0:26:48.280
<v Speaker 1>deep of mangrove forest. By the nineteen nineties they were

0:26:48.480 --> 0:26:51.760
<v Speaker 1>depleted because of shrimp farming. We'll talk about that later

0:26:51.800 --> 0:26:56.080
<v Speaker 1>as well, but basically, you know, human cause depletion. And

0:26:56.119 --> 0:26:58.760
<v Speaker 1>in ninety one there was a cyclone that hit the

0:26:58.760 --> 0:27:01.880
<v Speaker 1>coast of Bangladesh where there were no longer any mangrove

0:27:01.920 --> 0:27:04.719
<v Speaker 1>for us to cut down on that impact and there

0:27:04.760 --> 0:27:07.200
<v Speaker 1>was no buffer, and there was a big twenty foot

0:27:07.240 --> 0:27:12.320
<v Speaker 1>storm surge and almost one hundred and forty thousand people died, right.

0:27:13.440 --> 0:27:16.480
<v Speaker 3>I saw that they had a lot of those people

0:27:16.560 --> 0:27:19.959
<v Speaker 3>died because they weren't they didn't use storm shelters in

0:27:20.000 --> 0:27:22.959
<v Speaker 3>addition to the mangrove buffer being gone, and that they

0:27:23.000 --> 0:27:26.639
<v Speaker 3>had built the storm shelters Chuck after a nineteen seventy

0:27:26.680 --> 0:27:31.480
<v Speaker 3>cyclone that killed five hundred thousand people in Bangladesh.

0:27:31.480 --> 0:27:33.320
<v Speaker 1>Wow, can you believe that?

0:27:33.640 --> 0:27:37.600
<v Speaker 3>Can you imagine a storm killing half a million people

0:27:37.640 --> 0:27:39.560
<v Speaker 3>in your country or your little area.

0:27:39.760 --> 0:27:43.919
<v Speaker 1>That's insane, it is, that's devastating.

0:27:44.520 --> 0:27:45.720
<v Speaker 3>Biblical you know.

0:27:46.119 --> 0:27:50.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. They did some studies too with the tsunami and

0:27:50.560 --> 0:27:53.760
<v Speaker 1>the Indian Ocean in two thousand and four, and they

0:27:53.880 --> 0:27:56.960
<v Speaker 1>found that the mangroves there were about one hundred meters

0:27:57.000 --> 0:28:01.719
<v Speaker 1>deep and they at least helped reduce those waves between

0:28:01.760 --> 0:28:05.119
<v Speaker 1>five and thirty percent. So that's a big deal. You know,

0:28:05.240 --> 0:28:08.199
<v Speaker 1>six feet of storm surge up to thirty percent of

0:28:08.280 --> 0:28:11.639
<v Speaker 1>wave height and the initial rush in from the ocean

0:28:11.760 --> 0:28:14.439
<v Speaker 1>is you're saving a lot of lives in that case.

0:28:14.800 --> 0:28:18.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I mean you saw how bad the Indian

0:28:18.119 --> 0:28:20.639
<v Speaker 3>Ocean tsunami was too. It just makes you wonder, like

0:28:20.680 --> 0:28:24.520
<v Speaker 3>how much worse it could have been without mangroves. So

0:28:24.560 --> 0:28:26.600
<v Speaker 3>I say we take our second break and we come

0:28:26.640 --> 0:28:28.840
<v Speaker 3>back and talk about carbon sequestration.

0:28:29.600 --> 0:28:54.080
<v Speaker 1>That's right, aka superpower number two. All right, we had

0:28:54.120 --> 0:28:57.600
<v Speaker 1>promise of superpower number two and we tease a little

0:28:57.600 --> 0:29:02.520
<v Speaker 1>bit early earlier I did about carbon sequestration. So we

0:29:02.560 --> 0:29:05.760
<v Speaker 1>need to talk a little bit about what people are

0:29:05.760 --> 0:29:11.560
<v Speaker 1>calling a blue carbon ecosystem, blue sort of referencing the ocean.

0:29:12.520 --> 0:29:15.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's it's basically the same thing. Like you know,

0:29:15.560 --> 0:29:20.200
<v Speaker 3>trees inland capturing carbon and storing them in their bits

0:29:20.240 --> 0:29:24.800
<v Speaker 3>and parts. This is this is just coastal vegetation doing

0:29:24.840 --> 0:29:29.200
<v Speaker 3>the same thing. And the thing is is, like trees,

0:29:30.240 --> 0:29:33.600
<v Speaker 3>they're really efficient at capturing carbon and storing it. But

0:29:34.160 --> 0:29:38.600
<v Speaker 3>because of our friends fungi and rot, when the tree dies,

0:29:39.000 --> 0:29:42.200
<v Speaker 3>that carbon gets released back into the ecosystem and even

0:29:42.240 --> 0:29:45.800
<v Speaker 3>possibly back into the atmosphere if say, like a wildfire

0:29:45.920 --> 0:29:49.280
<v Speaker 3>happens atmosphere hot wheels.

0:29:50.840 --> 0:29:53.240
<v Speaker 1>That is right, But you know how we mentioned before

0:29:53.360 --> 0:29:57.160
<v Speaker 1>that with that soil that the water is basically the

0:29:57.200 --> 0:29:59.680
<v Speaker 1>ocean water is just sitting on top of it is

0:29:59.720 --> 0:30:03.800
<v Speaker 1>not it's just building up to that salty peat and

0:30:03.840 --> 0:30:06.320
<v Speaker 1>that carbon is not being released like it does in

0:30:06.400 --> 0:30:09.880
<v Speaker 1>interrestrial forest, and it's not breaking down. So it is

0:30:11.160 --> 0:30:14.320
<v Speaker 1>a champion at storing carbon. Not only good at it,

0:30:14.400 --> 0:30:15.440
<v Speaker 1>but really good at it.

0:30:16.280 --> 0:30:20.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's like the Judah Friedlander of forests as far

0:30:20.280 --> 0:30:21.720
<v Speaker 3>as carbon sequestration go.

0:30:24.400 --> 0:30:26.440
<v Speaker 1>I love Judi Freelander. We actually met him once, but

0:30:26.440 --> 0:30:27.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't get the joke.

0:30:27.840 --> 0:30:30.360
<v Speaker 3>Oh he always wore a hat that'said World Show. Oh okay,

0:30:31.360 --> 0:30:33.200
<v Speaker 3>and he was always boasting about stuff like that.

0:30:33.360 --> 0:30:35.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I love that guy. When we met him

0:30:35.360 --> 0:30:38.320
<v Speaker 1>at an event with Jesse Thorn and Hodgemen many years ago,

0:30:39.040 --> 0:30:42.440
<v Speaker 1>and this was kind of during his run on thirty

0:30:42.560 --> 0:30:45.320
<v Speaker 1>Rock thirty Rock, and this is when I was also

0:30:45.320 --> 0:30:48.400
<v Speaker 1>wearing my Last Chance garage at all the time, which

0:30:48.400 --> 0:30:49.840
<v Speaker 1>I haven't put on in a couple of years. I

0:30:49.920 --> 0:30:53.920
<v Speaker 1>hate to say so probably a few years. But he

0:30:54.080 --> 0:30:57.120
<v Speaker 1>I remember when I met him, he went and in

0:30:57.200 --> 0:30:59.000
<v Speaker 1>that face of his he kind of peered up at

0:30:59.040 --> 0:31:02.480
<v Speaker 1>my hat and that patch and hear it. All right, okay, cool.

0:31:03.720 --> 0:31:05.200
<v Speaker 3>That was a great chee the freed Land.

0:31:05.280 --> 0:31:07.080
<v Speaker 1>I was like, Okay, I got the stamp of approval

0:31:07.120 --> 0:31:08.160
<v Speaker 1>from the hat guy.

0:31:08.440 --> 0:31:10.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, definitely the hat guy version.

0:31:10.000 --> 0:31:10.440
<v Speaker 1>It's cool.

0:31:11.280 --> 0:31:15.520
<v Speaker 3>So but yeah, so, mangroves are the champion of carbon sequestrations,

0:31:15.560 --> 0:31:18.760
<v Speaker 3>so much so that they are four times more efficient

0:31:19.200 --> 0:31:24.120
<v Speaker 3>than terrestrial vegetation at storing carbon, which makes them like

0:31:24.160 --> 0:31:28.360
<v Speaker 3>a bona fide carbon sink. Mangrove forests are and again

0:31:28.440 --> 0:31:31.000
<v Speaker 3>it's because there's just no decay, there's no fungus, there's

0:31:31.040 --> 0:31:33.680
<v Speaker 3>no rot. All the stuff that all the vegetation that

0:31:33.760 --> 0:31:37.480
<v Speaker 3>dies and falls down into the muck just gets stuck

0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:39.480
<v Speaker 3>there and covered over and doesn't get a chance to

0:31:39.520 --> 0:31:43.000
<v Speaker 3>break down. So as long as you don't dig up

0:31:43.200 --> 0:31:46.040
<v Speaker 3>or destroy a mangro forest and cut up the peat

0:31:46.080 --> 0:31:49.160
<v Speaker 3>to use it as cheap fuel, you've got a really

0:31:49.160 --> 0:31:51.440
<v Speaker 3>good carbon sink on your hands.

0:31:51.840 --> 0:31:56.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. To the tune of worldwide mangal's account for about

0:31:56.280 --> 0:32:00.520
<v Speaker 1>six point four billion tons of carbon that's being held

0:32:00.560 --> 0:32:03.640
<v Speaker 1>in check. That means when you do do something like

0:32:03.720 --> 0:32:08.760
<v Speaker 1>you hinted at, it can have devastating effects for the world. Surprise, surprise,

0:32:09.680 --> 0:32:12.440
<v Speaker 1>If you cut down a mangrove forest, that carbon is

0:32:12.480 --> 0:32:15.480
<v Speaker 1>going to be released, That sequestered carbon is slowly going

0:32:15.560 --> 0:32:19.760
<v Speaker 1>to creep back into the atmosphere. From twenty to twenty fifteen,

0:32:20.600 --> 0:32:23.000
<v Speaker 1>roughly one hundred and twenty two million tons of carbon

0:32:23.840 --> 0:32:27.240
<v Speaker 1>extra carbon were released into the atmosphere because of the

0:32:27.280 --> 0:32:33.080
<v Speaker 1>destruction of mangrove forests, and between eighty and two thousand

0:32:33.080 --> 0:32:36.240
<v Speaker 1>and thirty percent of the mangols of the world have

0:32:36.360 --> 0:32:41.040
<v Speaker 1>been stripped away and it is outpacing like the tropical

0:32:41.120 --> 0:32:42.600
<v Speaker 1>rainforest construction.

0:32:43.280 --> 0:32:46.200
<v Speaker 3>That's mind boggling because if you just hear the figures

0:32:46.200 --> 0:32:50.040
<v Speaker 3>on how frequently and how much rainforest is cut down,

0:32:50.640 --> 0:32:53.840
<v Speaker 3>the idea that mangrove forest is outpacing it is pretty nuts.

0:32:54.040 --> 0:32:58.880
<v Speaker 3>But apparently Me and Mar is the current hot spot

0:32:58.920 --> 0:33:02.520
<v Speaker 3>for mangrove D four station. Between nineteen ninety six and

0:33:02.560 --> 0:33:05.840
<v Speaker 3>twenty sixteen, Me and Mark cut down sixty percent of

0:33:05.880 --> 0:33:11.040
<v Speaker 3>its mangals just gone. And part of the problem is

0:33:11.040 --> 0:33:13.640
<v Speaker 3>is like you can restore mangrove forest. Fortunately, we'll talk

0:33:13.640 --> 0:33:16.080
<v Speaker 3>about some people who do that, but it can take

0:33:16.120 --> 0:33:19.719
<v Speaker 3>a while. And sometimes when you restore some mangroves, you

0:33:19.760 --> 0:33:23.800
<v Speaker 3>put the seedlings in and typhoon or a cyclone or

0:33:23.800 --> 0:33:26.160
<v Speaker 3>a hurricane comes along and just washes them all away.

0:33:26.520 --> 0:33:29.480
<v Speaker 3>So if your timing's wrong. It might take a very

0:33:29.480 --> 0:33:32.000
<v Speaker 3>long time for you to restore a mangrove forest, so

0:33:32.320 --> 0:33:36.520
<v Speaker 3>it's not something you want to cut down willy nilly. Basically, No.

0:33:37.120 --> 0:33:39.640
<v Speaker 1>Shrimp farming is something we mentioned earlier in passing. But

0:33:40.120 --> 0:33:44.040
<v Speaker 1>they are the biggest culprit, responsible for thirty five percent

0:33:44.080 --> 0:33:48.360
<v Speaker 1>of mangrove forest loss. And you know, people love shrimp

0:33:48.360 --> 0:33:51.000
<v Speaker 1>all around the world, and in Thailand in the eighties

0:33:51.000 --> 0:33:55.320
<v Speaker 1>and nineties and other places as well, but especially Thailand,

0:33:55.760 --> 0:33:58.000
<v Speaker 1>they cut down a lot of mangro forests to make

0:33:58.040 --> 0:34:02.080
<v Speaker 1>these shrimp farms along the hostline. And then you've also

0:34:02.160 --> 0:34:06.080
<v Speaker 1>got the sea level rise that's causing destruction. We mentioned

0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:11.279
<v Speaker 1>parts of Australian belize that those soiled deposits are outpacing it,

0:34:11.719 --> 0:34:14.640
<v Speaker 1>but that's only in a couple of those places. It

0:34:14.680 --> 0:34:16.360
<v Speaker 1>is not doing that in other areas.

0:34:17.320 --> 0:34:19.960
<v Speaker 3>No, So that means that sea level rise is out

0:34:19.960 --> 0:34:23.319
<v Speaker 3>pacing soil deposition there. I want to say one more

0:34:23.360 --> 0:34:25.160
<v Speaker 3>thing about shrimp farming too. I looked a little bit

0:34:25.200 --> 0:34:28.640
<v Speaker 3>into it and I cannot decide maybe it deserves its

0:34:28.680 --> 0:34:31.960
<v Speaker 3>own episode. Who knows. Okay, one of the other problems

0:34:31.960 --> 0:34:36.280
<v Speaker 3>with shrimp farming in addition to a shrimp farm sharing

0:34:36.320 --> 0:34:39.719
<v Speaker 3>the same kind of land or a mangro forest that

0:34:39.880 --> 0:34:42.520
<v Speaker 3>land occupies being desirable for a shrimp farm, so you

0:34:42.560 --> 0:34:44.960
<v Speaker 3>cut down mangro forest to build a shrimp farm, is

0:34:44.960 --> 0:34:48.360
<v Speaker 3>that when you harvest shrimp, you basically have to refresh

0:34:48.400 --> 0:34:52.360
<v Speaker 3>the water. So shrimp farmers typically just basically open a

0:34:52.480 --> 0:34:55.200
<v Speaker 3>dam and let all the water out, and that water's

0:34:55.239 --> 0:35:00.560
<v Speaker 3>filled with tons of nutrients that overwhelm the carrying opacity

0:35:00.640 --> 0:35:04.240
<v Speaker 3>of the ecosystems the mangro forests around the shrimp farm,

0:35:04.840 --> 0:35:07.840
<v Speaker 3>and you get what's called an algae bloom, which sucks

0:35:07.880 --> 0:35:10.239
<v Speaker 3>up all the oxygen, kills off all the fish, and

0:35:10.360 --> 0:35:14.560
<v Speaker 3>has just this devastating effect on the ecosystem surrounding it.

0:35:14.680 --> 0:35:19.080
<v Speaker 3>So shrimp farming is really hard on the areas where

0:35:19.520 --> 0:35:22.600
<v Speaker 3>it takes place, not just from the shrimp farms themselves,

0:35:22.680 --> 0:35:25.080
<v Speaker 3>but from what comes out of the shrimp farms as well.

0:35:25.200 --> 0:35:29.120
<v Speaker 3>And there's just so many basic good best practices that

0:35:29.160 --> 0:35:32.240
<v Speaker 3>could be followed that just aren't followed that there's almost

0:35:32.280 --> 0:35:35.520
<v Speaker 3>like a general like the coming out of the shrimp

0:35:35.520 --> 0:35:37.920
<v Speaker 3>farming industry as far as I can tell, that really

0:35:37.960 --> 0:35:38.960
<v Speaker 3>needs to be fixed.

0:35:39.600 --> 0:35:42.080
<v Speaker 1>It's almost as if they just wanted to continue to

0:35:42.080 --> 0:35:45.400
<v Speaker 1>make as much money as they can before they're regulated

0:35:45.400 --> 0:35:45.959
<v Speaker 1>in some way.

0:35:46.239 --> 0:35:47.600
<v Speaker 3>But I mean, what are you going to do if

0:35:47.600 --> 0:35:49.400
<v Speaker 3>you try to regulate them at all? You've got a

0:35:49.480 --> 0:35:51.520
<v Speaker 3>nanny state on your hands. And who wants that?

0:35:52.320 --> 0:35:55.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it shrimp farming is just one tiny fraction

0:35:55.640 --> 0:35:59.759
<v Speaker 1>of the great amounts of harm that are happening to

0:35:59.800 --> 0:36:03.239
<v Speaker 1>the because of lots of things, but commercial fishing and

0:36:03.480 --> 0:36:04.399
<v Speaker 1>is certainly one of them.

0:36:04.680 --> 0:36:07.120
<v Speaker 3>I will say, though, it's really hard to turn down

0:36:07.160 --> 0:36:12.360
<v Speaker 3>shrimp on pizza that you're heading or something. No, no,

0:36:12.480 --> 0:36:15.000
<v Speaker 3>that's that was from years back. I used to love

0:36:15.040 --> 0:36:15.920
<v Speaker 3>shrimp on pizza.

0:36:16.840 --> 0:36:19.080
<v Speaker 1>All right, talk to me more about this. What are

0:36:19.080 --> 0:36:21.240
<v Speaker 1>we talking? You just throw some shrimp on a regular

0:36:21.320 --> 0:36:24.359
<v Speaker 1>cheese or is it like a barbecue pineapple thing?

0:36:24.400 --> 0:36:24.440
<v Speaker 2>No?

0:36:24.840 --> 0:36:26.879
<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, no, a regular pizza. But you don't

0:36:26.880 --> 0:36:28.560
<v Speaker 3>want to use just any shrimp. You certainly don't want

0:36:28.560 --> 0:36:30.279
<v Speaker 3>to use jumbo shrimp. You want to use the little

0:36:30.320 --> 0:36:34.600
<v Speaker 3>tiny salad shrimp because they cook just enough with the pizza.

0:36:34.680 --> 0:36:36.960
<v Speaker 3>Bigger shrimp might still be partially raw, it's going to

0:36:37.000 --> 0:36:40.719
<v Speaker 3>be too big to eat. Yeah, you just throw some

0:36:40.760 --> 0:36:43.440
<v Speaker 3>of those. Well, now, I think they usually come already

0:36:43.480 --> 0:36:45.000
<v Speaker 3>cook now that I think about it, but you just

0:36:45.040 --> 0:36:47.719
<v Speaker 3>throw a couple of handfuls on your pizza, put it

0:36:47.719 --> 0:36:51.879
<v Speaker 3>in the oven, and they thank me later. Basically, Oh, man,

0:36:51.920 --> 0:36:52.480
<v Speaker 3>I love shrimp.

0:36:52.480 --> 0:36:53.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't know about shrimp and pizza.

0:36:54.040 --> 0:36:56.200
<v Speaker 3>Well, now I feel bad about eating shrimp, knowing how

0:36:56.200 --> 0:36:57.319
<v Speaker 3>bad shrimp farming is.

0:36:57.520 --> 0:37:01.279
<v Speaker 1>I know. It's uh, it's another wake up call, isn't it.

0:37:02.000 --> 0:37:05.640
<v Speaker 3>Well, yes, and I've been awokened because I'm now farming

0:37:05.680 --> 0:37:08.000
<v Speaker 3>my own shrimp here at home in a very sustainable

0:37:08.000 --> 0:37:10.200
<v Speaker 3>manner so that I can have it on my pizza.

0:37:10.520 --> 0:37:13.560
<v Speaker 1>Ah, bathub shrimp, It's delicious.

0:37:13.760 --> 0:37:15.240
<v Speaker 3>We don't take baths anyway.

0:37:15.800 --> 0:37:18.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Yiman's like, why do you have an out of

0:37:18.480 --> 0:37:19.719
<v Speaker 1>orders on on our bathroom door?

0:37:19.800 --> 0:37:21.839
<v Speaker 3>Right? I'm still trying to figure out how to break

0:37:21.840 --> 0:37:23.759
<v Speaker 3>the news to U me we don't really have a

0:37:23.840 --> 0:37:26.440
<v Speaker 3>working bathsub anymore. So.

0:37:27.480 --> 0:37:31.640
<v Speaker 1>There are also invasive species that can totally wreck the

0:37:31.640 --> 0:37:35.000
<v Speaker 1>health of a man gaul. In the seventies in China,

0:37:35.680 --> 0:37:37.160
<v Speaker 1>they were trying to do the right thing. I think

0:37:37.160 --> 0:37:40.960
<v Speaker 1>there were conservationists that transplanted some marsh grasses that were

0:37:41.000 --> 0:37:43.960
<v Speaker 1>from the United States there to try and slow erosion,

0:37:44.520 --> 0:37:48.120
<v Speaker 1>but it crowded out mangroves. And then in Texas they

0:37:48.239 --> 0:37:51.960
<v Speaker 1>weren't trying to do the right thing. They the vision

0:37:52.000 --> 0:37:56.160
<v Speaker 1>game officials there, they said, Hey, people like hunting this

0:37:57.040 --> 0:38:02.600
<v Speaker 1>exotic Asian antelope. It's called a nilghai. I guess n ilgai.

0:38:03.440 --> 0:38:05.839
<v Speaker 1>So let's put them in Texas so people can hunt them.

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<v Speaker 1>And it turns out they love to eat mangroves.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so they're being deforested by the game that was

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<v Speaker 3>imported to Texas to hunt, which means I'm sure there's

0:38:15.600 --> 0:38:17.319
<v Speaker 3>huge bounties on these things now too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that's funny how that all works out.

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<v Speaker 3>So there are people who are like, we really need

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<v Speaker 3>to work on this, We need to get mangroves back,

0:38:26.000 --> 0:38:28.800
<v Speaker 3>and there are places where this is the good news.

0:38:29.080 --> 0:38:34.480
<v Speaker 3>Mangrove deforestation globally speaking, on average has actually stopped progressing

0:38:34.520 --> 0:38:36.200
<v Speaker 3>and is now starting to decline.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>The deforestation is so people are, you know, kind of

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<v Speaker 3>getting hip to the idea that we really need these things.

0:38:42.719 --> 0:38:47.000
<v Speaker 3>They provide countless services for us humans, so even the

0:38:47.000 --> 0:38:50.640
<v Speaker 3>most selfish human can get behind mangrove restoration, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I think there's about forty two percent

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<v Speaker 1>of the worldwide mangols are protected now, but you need

0:38:57.840 --> 0:39:00.840
<v Speaker 1>that number at like ninety two, well at one hundred.

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<v Speaker 1>But I would feel much better if it was like

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<v Speaker 1>in the eighties or nineties, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And not only that, like areas that have been

0:39:07.320 --> 0:39:10.680
<v Speaker 3>developed coastly need to replant the mangroves that they cut

0:39:10.719 --> 0:39:15.560
<v Speaker 3>down to build because they need them really bad. You

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<v Speaker 3>need mangrove buffers, as we've found. Whatever you can get

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<v Speaker 3>is helpful.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. But there's another kind of clever financial instrument,

0:39:24.880 --> 0:39:28.080
<v Speaker 1>as they call it, called blue bonds. It is a

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<v Speaker 1>subset of green bonds. Green bonds came around a while ago,

0:39:32.640 --> 0:39:35.440
<v Speaker 1>and these are basically, if you have money and you

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<v Speaker 1>want to invest responsibly in a way that not only

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't impact the environment but can help the environment, you

0:39:43.560 --> 0:39:45.399
<v Speaker 1>invest in a green bond, or if you're really into

0:39:45.400 --> 0:39:48.959
<v Speaker 1>the ocean, the subset of blue bonds, which were first

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<v Speaker 1>introduced in twenty eighteen.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, And so like you want to offset your emissions,

0:39:54.760 --> 0:39:56.200
<v Speaker 3>you buy a blue bond, and all of a sudden,

0:39:56.480 --> 0:39:59.680
<v Speaker 3>you've just paid somebody to go plant some mango or

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<v Speaker 3>not mango, maybe mango too, but mangrove forests.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, yeah, mango forest.

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<v Speaker 3>It sounds delicious, would be I'd be like planet in

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<v Speaker 3>my backyard. That's right, I want to plane it with

0:40:13.400 --> 0:40:14.120
<v Speaker 3>my blue bond.

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<v Speaker 1>So look into blue bonds and green bonds. It's I

0:40:17.680 --> 0:40:19.759
<v Speaker 1>saw something depressing the other day when they were I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what they were talking about on the news,

0:40:21.239 --> 0:40:23.960
<v Speaker 1>but they basically said, like, if you have an IRA like,

0:40:24.760 --> 0:40:27.080
<v Speaker 1>you were supporting all kinds of companies that you would

0:40:27.080 --> 0:40:28.399
<v Speaker 1>probably never support in real life.

0:40:28.400 --> 0:40:30.160
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, definitely mutual funds.

0:40:30.280 --> 0:40:33.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, mutual funds. Just everything's all lumped in. So they

0:40:33.200 --> 0:40:35.359
<v Speaker 1>were trying to encourage people that if they're able to

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<v Speaker 1>to be a little more selective in what they choose

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<v Speaker 1>to invest in.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, there's a lot of sustainable mutual funds too that

0:40:43.960 --> 0:40:47.760
<v Speaker 3>where they're you know, very carefully selected. Unfortunately, that means

0:40:47.800 --> 0:40:50.400
<v Speaker 3>the management fee is going to be higher. But if

0:40:50.440 --> 0:40:52.759
<v Speaker 3>you care, it doesn't really matter, you know.

0:40:53.080 --> 0:40:55.200
<v Speaker 1>Oh, is it really a higher management fee?

0:40:55.480 --> 0:40:59.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, any time it requires any additional thought or effort,

0:40:59.360 --> 0:41:01.839
<v Speaker 3>the management he just automatically goes up.

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<v Speaker 1>I had to click them three extra things.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, I had to find out what these blue bonds

0:41:06.640 --> 0:41:10.200
<v Speaker 3>were that's my impression of a mutual fund manager.

0:41:10.320 --> 0:41:13.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, financial advisor. If that's your financial advisors, another wrong person.

0:41:14.480 --> 0:41:17.000
<v Speaker 3>I meet him at Burger King every couple of weeks

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<v Speaker 3>in the back.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, where else did you meet?

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<v Speaker 3>You got anything else?

0:41:23.280 --> 0:41:24.040
<v Speaker 1>You got nothing else?

0:41:24.160 --> 0:41:28.279
<v Speaker 3>Up with Mangroves, Up with Mangroves. And since we both

0:41:28.280 --> 0:41:30.279
<v Speaker 3>set up with Mangroves, everybody, that means it's time for

0:41:30.320 --> 0:41:31.000
<v Speaker 3>a listener mail.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a thank you from a Satanist. We had

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<v Speaker 1>a great podcast that we must have put this on

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<v Speaker 1>a select recently.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess yeah, like two weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Hey, guys discovered your podcast in twenty eleven. Have

0:41:45.360 --> 0:41:49.080
<v Speaker 1>been hooked ever since. Your informative, banter filled episodes remained

0:41:49.080 --> 0:41:52.759
<v Speaker 1>a welcome constant in my life throughout college, adult years

0:41:52.760 --> 0:41:55.960
<v Speaker 1>in now parenthood was helping me stay sane during sleepless

0:41:56.000 --> 0:41:58.840
<v Speaker 1>nights with my newborns. When I saw the episode on

0:41:58.880 --> 0:42:02.000
<v Speaker 1>Satanism guess ahead and listen to it previously, I was

0:42:02.000 --> 0:42:05.480
<v Speaker 1>simultaneously excited and nervous. I would hope you'd give it

0:42:05.480 --> 0:42:08.160
<v Speaker 1>the usual Josh and Chuck treatment, and I was not disappointed.

0:42:08.800 --> 0:42:10.440
<v Speaker 1>Over the years, I've been given a lot of grief.

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<v Speaker 1>Being a Satanist, people often assume that I'm a very

0:42:13.320 --> 0:42:15.720
<v Speaker 1>devout Christian based on the way I look, and often

0:42:15.760 --> 0:42:19.840
<v Speaker 1>go from praising me to threatening my family upon learning

0:42:19.840 --> 0:42:22.400
<v Speaker 1>that I followed the tenants set forth by the Satanic

0:42:22.400 --> 0:42:25.640
<v Speaker 1>Temple by shedding some light on the true nature of Satanism,

0:42:25.920 --> 0:42:27.640
<v Speaker 1>I feel that you have given many people a look

0:42:27.640 --> 0:42:30.240
<v Speaker 1>into the practice in a non threatening way, and hopefully

0:42:30.280 --> 0:42:33.720
<v Speaker 1>this will help people choose kindness over fear based hatred

0:42:34.040 --> 0:42:37.000
<v Speaker 1>when interacting with Satanist in the future. And thank you

0:42:37.040 --> 0:42:38.920
<v Speaker 1>for being bold enough to put this episode out in

0:42:38.920 --> 0:42:41.359
<v Speaker 1>the world. I'm sure it wasn't that easy, but this

0:42:41.480 --> 0:42:46.759
<v Speaker 1>long time listener appreciates it. Your friendly Satanist. Donna, thanks

0:42:46.800 --> 0:42:48.920
<v Speaker 1>a lot, Donna, Donna a Satanist.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that was a good one because I went back

0:42:53.040 --> 0:42:55.320
<v Speaker 3>and listened to it to QA it before it was

0:42:55.360 --> 0:42:58.000
<v Speaker 3>a selectime. I was like, this is a really good episode. Yeah.

0:42:58.000 --> 0:42:59.920
<v Speaker 3>But there was one thing at the beginning, Chuck, that

0:43:00.080 --> 0:43:02.880
<v Speaker 3>now I wish we had back, because a couple of

0:43:02.920 --> 0:43:06.680
<v Speaker 3>people wrote in and it was that we coaight at

0:43:06.719 --> 0:43:09.280
<v Speaker 3>the beginning, saying like, if you're, you know, a Christian,

0:43:09.680 --> 0:43:11.520
<v Speaker 3>you probably don't want to listen to this, and people

0:43:11.520 --> 0:43:13.279
<v Speaker 3>wrote in and said, no, like you, you should not

0:43:13.360 --> 0:43:15.080
<v Speaker 3>have said that, because there's plenty of people out there

0:43:15.080 --> 0:43:17.840
<v Speaker 3>who should hear this and you know, change their views

0:43:17.840 --> 0:43:20.840
<v Speaker 3>on people who hold these views. So if you go

0:43:20.920 --> 0:43:22.640
<v Speaker 3>back and listen to that, just plug your ears for

0:43:22.680 --> 0:43:25.000
<v Speaker 3>that first part and then listen to it through again.

0:43:25.320 --> 0:43:28.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was forty year old Chuck talking, right, not

0:43:29.480 --> 0:43:30.719
<v Speaker 1>fifty one year old Chuck.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Oh, that's a weird number to say.

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<v Speaker 3>It is, Chuck. Fifty one is a weird number, and

0:43:37.200 --> 0:43:38.799
<v Speaker 3>it's going to be a weird time in your life.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Juck. That's one thing I'll always say it is You'll

0:43:47.360 --> 0:43:49.239
<v Speaker 1>always be younger than me. No matter how much I

0:43:49.239 --> 0:43:51.720
<v Speaker 1>want you to speed up the aging process, You'll always

0:43:51.800 --> 0:43:52.280
<v Speaker 1>be younger.

0:43:52.680 --> 0:43:55.920
<v Speaker 3>You would have to travel to Mars and suspended animation

0:43:56.200 --> 0:43:57.759
<v Speaker 3>and I might just have to stay here on.

0:43:57.719 --> 0:44:01.080
<v Speaker 1>Earth for me to catch all right, I'm going to

0:44:01.160 --> 0:44:01.600
<v Speaker 1>look into that.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks a lot, Donna. We appreciate that big time. And

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0:44:06.600 --> 0:44:09.120
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