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Speaker 1: The volume. All right, here we go, John Middlecoff and I.

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Speaker 1: I don't work tomorrow on TV, so this is my

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Speaker 1: I was down in Florida all weekend and hanging out

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Speaker 1: with my wife in Naples. Have you ever gone to Naples, by.

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Speaker 2: The way, Yeah, back when I was with the Eagles,

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Speaker 2: they had these scouting meetings at I forget the name

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Speaker 2: of the place. I mean right on the water. I

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Speaker 2: think it's about thirty minutes away from Naples. And then

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Speaker 2: the end you have a week long paid vacation. I'm

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Speaker 2: with a buddies, like, let's take a I don't even

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Speaker 2: think ubers existed. Back in twenty thirteen, we hopped in

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Speaker 2: a cab, went up there, had dinner. It was it

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Speaker 2: was nice fifteen years ago. I'll tell you that much.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's exploded. Naples, Florida has exploded. I rented a

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Speaker 1: little with a friend, a little twenty two foot boat

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Speaker 1: to kind of go around and look at the billionaire

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Speaker 1: row of homes and my friends in realty. He's like, Oh,

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Speaker 1: that's boom boom, boom boom. Some people live. Well, that's all.

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Speaker 1: I'm on a twenty two foot boat looking at thirty

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Speaker 1: five thousand square foot homes, but it was beautiful. So

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Speaker 1: you know, listen, let's start with Max Crosby. So I

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Speaker 1: had said this before. I think he was kind of

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Speaker 1: the soul of the Raiders, but they're breaking it down

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Speaker 1: to the foundation. I thought they they may keep Max

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Speaker 1: because they have like twelve draft picks, eleven or twelve

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Speaker 1: draft picks, so if they hit on seven or eight

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Speaker 1: of those, they've got plenty of money. They're not paying

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Speaker 1: their quarterback for four years, so I would just keep

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Speaker 1: Max Crosby. But I think you know, they're looking at

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Speaker 1: he's an older player, still great. But I think I

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Speaker 1: saw a story today they're interested in Tyler Linderbaum, the

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Speaker 1: great center from Baltimore, and it's like the Giants and

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Speaker 1: the Raiders, which I think would be a huge move

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Speaker 1: because they drafted Jackson Powers Johnson Jackson to Cowers Johnson

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Speaker 1: so he's more comfortable at guard. He's very good. So

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Speaker 1: to me, this feels like the Raiders are doing if

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Speaker 1: they get Tyler Lindebaum. It feels a little bit like

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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson to the Bears. Here's the quarterback and I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna get the interior of the old line. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: go get now. Drew Dolman just retired after one year

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Speaker 1: in Chicago. But do you like the Max Crosby deal

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Speaker 1: for them, especially for the Raiders if they get Tyler

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Speaker 1: Lindebaum because of the availability to you know, pay him

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Speaker 1: top of the market.

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Speaker 2: Well, I like it simply because it was time, you know.

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Speaker 2: I think quietly he kind of wanted out. He wasn't

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Speaker 2: gonna do it, kind of like a Yannis situation, because

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Speaker 2: he loves the fans, he loves the franchise, Right, Colin,

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Speaker 2: they got more again. We'll have to see what plays

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Speaker 2: out next year. The Dallas Cowboys traded Michael Parsons and

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Speaker 2: they are lucky. I mean, it took a Micah Parson's

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Speaker 2: injury and a crazy comeback in a playoff game. They

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Speaker 2: got picked twenty. I didn't quite realize that the moment

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Speaker 2: the trade was made, and then you give it five minutes.

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Speaker 2: The Ravens missed the playoffs and win eight and nine,

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Speaker 2: which sometimes gets you picked eighteen. It's picked fourteen. Yes,

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Speaker 2: and I think I saw Warren sharp. This is the

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Speaker 2: highest amount of draft capital any team's ever had because

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Speaker 2: they got the first pick in every round. You'd rather

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Speaker 2: have pick one in fourteen than pick eight to nine.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it is the fourteenth pick that that to

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Speaker 2: me is where it's like, damn, that was a lot, Colin.

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Speaker 1: You know. The other thing John to remember is they

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Speaker 1: already have The Raiders have two ones, A two to three,

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Speaker 1: three fours, two fives, two sixes. Those top that top

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Speaker 1: of round two. John, you do the first round. Guys

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Speaker 1: are making deals, gms are making deals all night. You

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Speaker 1: could move down seven spots and yeas another third or

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Speaker 1: a fifth or a fourth. So the Raiders really can

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Speaker 1: rebuild the entire franch guys quarterback, first pick, fourteenth pick,

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Speaker 1: you could have the top interior old lineman from Penn State.

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Speaker 1: You can do it. You have to probably replace Max

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Speaker 1: John Spytech it deserves a lot of credit for this.

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Speaker 1: How many teams do you think we're interested in Crosby?

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Speaker 2: This is why I never understood they won't get two

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Speaker 2: first round picks. Guys, every playoff team there are fourteen

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Speaker 2: playoff teams. The Raiders are obviously not even remotely close

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Speaker 2: have that ammunition. Think they're gonna be pretty good this

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Speaker 2: I think when the dust settled, you probably had five

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Speaker 2: trump that fourteenth pick. You know, you see stories on

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Speaker 2: the Jags, you see you know, teams like the Bear.

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Speaker 2: All these teams are in the twenties, colin in the

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Speaker 2: mid to late twenties. And then you go, if I

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Speaker 2: give a max, if I trade them to the Jags

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Speaker 2: in the playoffs again, that's picked twenty five, and next

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Speaker 2: year that's picked twenty four. Where that's what the what's

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Speaker 2: the likelihood that the Cowboys pick. I guess they might

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Speaker 2: have already traded it because they traded for Quinn Williams.

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Speaker 2: But the way that they had set up to Micah deal,

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Speaker 2: that was looking like pick twenty eight and pick twenty

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Speaker 2: eight back to back years, which I'm not opposed, but

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Speaker 2: when I see I can't believe they the Bills gave

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Speaker 2: up a second rounder for DJ Moore. Guy, guys, it's

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Speaker 2: pick sixty. It's not picked thirty seven. These things are

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Speaker 2: not equal, you know, Colin, I'm in my home, you're

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Speaker 2: in your home. We're both homeowners. Were not equal if

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Speaker 2: we sold our home. They're not the same. So it's

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Speaker 2: like when I see these things get thrown around, Well,

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Speaker 2: they're offering a first round pick, Well, we're in the

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Speaker 2: first round because pick fourteen is fantastic. Pick twenty nine,

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Speaker 2: like the Chiefs, they did well. But pick you'd ask Andy,

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Speaker 2: would you rather pick? You know, there's a big difference.

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Speaker 2: There's a big gap. If I would have told you

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Speaker 1: What a hole. Yeah, the Dj Moore pick, to me,

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Speaker 1: I thought worked for Buffalo because Keon Coleman now there's

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Speaker 1: no pressure on him to work he had a touchdown

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Speaker 1: So he's a kid, he's a big play kid. But

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Speaker 1: now you've got your running back, your quarterback, your left tackle,

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Speaker 1: Keon Coleman is kind of a fifty catch forty three

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Speaker 1: you keep the safeties. Honest, I thought DJ Moore to

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Speaker 1: Buffalo was a great pick. And you make a great

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Speaker 1: point on this is that Brett Viach is a very

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Speaker 1: very good general manager for the Chiefs. I mean, Xavier

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Speaker 1: as well as you can do late first round, which

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Speaker 1: mid first round. And McKay lemon doesn't have Worthy speed

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Speaker 1: I mean years ago the Chiefs kind of whiffed on

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Speaker 1: it's no man's land.

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Speaker 2: This is very when you look at the Ravens. I

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Speaker 2: was reading a couple of stories over the last twenty

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Speaker 2: four hours. They've never I mean, obviously they've made big

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Speaker 2: acquisitions on older players or veteran players, you know historically

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Speaker 2: from Ankwon Boldens to Steve Smith's to Rokewan Smith. Like

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Speaker 2: they are an aggressive organization. They've never traded a first

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Speaker 2: twenty eight range, right, So they are not This is

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Speaker 2: a very valuable pick, if memory serves me correct. Kyle

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Speaker 2: Hamilton was the fourteenth pick in the draft. Now, all

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Speaker 2: drafts aren't equal, and I'm not saying there's a Kyle

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Speaker 2: gms think, Like if I'm fourteen, I can get a guy.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Michah Parsons was the eleventh pick. You know,

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Speaker 2: just never know how a draft shakes out Laramie Tunzel.

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Speaker 2: The picture comes out all of a sudden, He's there

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Speaker 2: at whatever pick ten or eleven. Weird things happen around

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Speaker 2: the draft. Stories come out, like the Raiders have an

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Speaker 2: opportunity now. They did this once upon a time, and

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Speaker 2: I was living in the Bay Area. They had three

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Speaker 2: And they whiffed on basically every pick over that run

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Speaker 2: them to hit the pick. But listen, I've known Spy Tech.

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Speaker 2: He left Eagles right before I was with him and

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Speaker 2: Jason Light at the combine. He I think he's really good.

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Speaker 2: And if you watch Max Crosby's I don't know if

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Speaker 2: him talking to have that much loyalty and passion to

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Speaker 2: that's just refreshing to see a guy if you're a

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Speaker 2: it was difficult for him because he kind of hasked

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Speaker 2: He's in there every morning at five am. He is

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Speaker 2: and he's an impact player at a premium position. The

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Speaker 2: Ravens ger getting a really really I mean a Hall

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Speaker 1: So in the last five years, the Ravens have blown

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Speaker 1: the most fourth quarter leads. Now the last two they're

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Speaker 1: seventeen and five if Lamar is playing, and they lead

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Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter. So they're better at it. But

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Speaker 1: I get I get them saying, Okay, we planned a

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Speaker 1: division with Joe Burrow, you know, probably Aaron Rodgers, Josh Allen, Mahomes,

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Speaker 1: this as well. We're just gonna go it's our Mariano Rivera.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna go get a closer if because I know

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Speaker 1: Bill Paulion told me this years ago. He said, when

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Speaker 1: we drafted Peyton Manning, we knew we would lead most

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Speaker 1: of our games in the fourth quarter. That's why Dwight

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Speaker 1: Freeding was so valuable, is that, you know Max. I

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Speaker 1: said this the other day on FS one. Think how

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Speaker 1: great Max Crosby was. How often do the Raiders lead

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Speaker 1: in the fourth Never? Never, there's nine minutes to go,

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Speaker 1: Teams are running the ball on the Raiders. They're trying

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Speaker 1: trying to get out of Vegas and go home. Max

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Speaker 1: just like, we're not interested in even going to his

427
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Speaker 1: side of the field. But I always think it's a quarterback,

428
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Speaker 1: left tackle, defensive tackle or ed rush and these days

429
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Speaker 1: weapon I also think centers are undervalued. Ben Johnson goes

430
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Speaker 1: out and gets Drew Dolman, Tyler Linderbaum's gonna have a

431
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Speaker 1: huge market. So I don't know, like I respected Chris

432
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Speaker 1: Pouder doing it. I don't love. I don't love giving

433
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Speaker 1: up a lot for corners.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, to me, the corner you know, Jalen Ramsey is

435
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Speaker 2: one of the most talented players of the Internet era,

436
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Speaker 2: right and the Rams went all in with multiple first

437
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Speaker 2: round picks. To me, he's dramatically better than Sauce. I

438
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Speaker 2: had someone that was part of the Jets in previous years.

439
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Speaker 2: Say one issue Sauce had is they started officiating, you know,

440
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,120
Speaker 2: the bump and run and physical corners a little more difficult,

441
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Speaker 2: where some of these guys like Patrick Chirtan can do both.

442
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Speaker 2: He can get up in you, but he could also

443
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Speaker 2: just run with you. Sauce is a four or five

444
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Speaker 2: five guy. He needs to bump you he's long, you know,

445
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Speaker 2: and it's like once they start throwing flags with him

446
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Speaker 2: being really physical, it becomes more difficult. Richard Sherman wanted

447
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Speaker 2: to get up in you at the line of scrimmage

448
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Speaker 2: and he's huge. He's like, I'm gonna I'm gonna throw

449
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 2: you around. Derek Stingley, who some consider one of the

450
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Speaker 2: best Corns in the league, is like a Dion level athlete.

451
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:08,679
Speaker 2: He's like, I don't even need to touch you. I

452
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 2: just follow you on your hip all over the place.

453
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Speaker 2: So to me, you know, McDuffie's got a little of that.

454
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Speaker 2: Now he'll tackle and the one thing. So it's like

455
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Speaker 2: and again it's it's easy to play Monday morning quarterback.

456
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Speaker 2: As things go wrong. My point is when you go

457
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Speaker 2: all in on these moves, there's a lot out of

458
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Speaker 2: your control, right. I mean, Chris Balldener never thought Daniel

459
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Speaker 2: Jones gonna tear as achilles. I mean, he looked like

460
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Speaker 2: he was gonna win the MVP of the league. So

461
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Speaker 2: you know, no different, like they're gonna need Lamar. The

462
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Speaker 2: pressure now on these guys like the Ravens can't just

463
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Speaker 2: go ten and seven. There's gonna be expectation on them

464
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Speaker 2: to be the number one seed. Same thing with the Bills,

465
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Speaker 2: and now these are organizations that are used to winning,

466
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Speaker 2: so it's not but both of them have new young

467
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Speaker 2: court coaches who I think are really high level guys,

468
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Speaker 2: both of them. But that's it's one thing like if

469
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Speaker 2: you give a Mike Tomlin, a John or Jim Harbaugh,

470
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Speaker 2: this is the first time the guy's ever sitting in

471
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Speaker 2: the sea and then it's like, hey, AFC Championship game minimum,

472
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Speaker 2: or it's gonna be viewed as a failure, that's right,

473
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Speaker 2: And so that's it's just these are intense environments. These

474
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Speaker 2: are intense jobs. They're great jobs. We talked about this

475
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Speaker 2: with the Packers years ago. It's not very often you

476
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Speaker 2: get the DeVante Adams all these some defensive guys. Aaron Rodgers.

477
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Speaker 2: I think the Bills and the Ravens are a different

478
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Speaker 2: animal because they've never won with these two quarterbacks in terms,

479
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Speaker 2: They've never even got to the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: And there are quarterbacks Josh and Lamar have taken a

481
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Speaker 1: few hits. They're they're odometers, you know, there's there's some

482
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Speaker 1: mileage on it. I mean, Lamar last year did not

483
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Speaker 1: look burst wise like.

484
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Speaker 2: The same close, not even close.

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Speaker 1: I mean I think I said at one time I

486
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Speaker 1: saw it on a Sunday night football broadcast. I mean,

487
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Speaker 1: he was like three miles an hour slower. He just

488
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Speaker 1: looked like he looked like an athletic guy, not like

489
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Speaker 1: the super freak that we had seen the first five

490
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Speaker 1: years in the league.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, Josh need surgery. Right after the surgery or

492
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Speaker 2: right after the season, he was inn he was on

493
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Speaker 2: a crutch his for a couple of weeks.

494
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Speaker 1: So I think that's a reality. Just it was interesting

495
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Speaker 1: the Trent McDuffie move, I mean spags multiple players for

496
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Speaker 1: the Chiefs. Patrick Mahomes is like, yikes. They all go

497
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Speaker 1: publicly to Twitter and the Rams and the Chiefs have

498
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Speaker 1: never been as high generally on corners. But I think

499
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Speaker 1: for the Rams the move is obvious John because it

500
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Speaker 1: is the one liability of a super Bowl team, and

501
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Speaker 1: the minute they signed him, they had the odds increased

502
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Speaker 1: their super Bowl favorite, so it made a ton of sense.

503
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Speaker 1: But I do wonder I said it on the air

504
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Speaker 1: and I kind of believe it. I do believe the

505
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Speaker 1: Chiefs are in a rebuild. It's not something you advertise,

506
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Speaker 1: but if I said to you after Chris Jones had

507
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Speaker 1: a below average season, who's their second best player after Mahomes,

508
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Speaker 1: I mean carloftis I'm not sure.

509
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Speaker 2: If it would probably be the garter, the center, you know,

510
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Speaker 2: and that's who is it. That's not ideal. It's probably

511
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Speaker 2: you know, Tray Smith who did not have a good year,

512
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Speaker 2: Creed Humphrey. You know, in theory if he probably crazed.

513
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Speaker 2: What he could become is the left tackle from Ohio State,

514
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Speaker 2: Josh Shimmons. But I mean in the middle of the

515
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Speaker 2: season he just disappears. So I mean it's yeah. I mean,

516
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Speaker 2: this is a massive draft form. They have the ninth

517
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Speaker 2: overall pick and that means the ninth overall pick in

518
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Speaker 2: every round, so they could really change the fortunes of

519
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Speaker 2: their franchise. I think it's going to be interesting. You know,

520
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Speaker 2: historically in football and coach Reed's been a part a

521
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 2: lot of these, you kind of just draw a line

522
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Speaker 2: in the sand and be like, listen, we love you.

523
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Speaker 2: You're an extremely important player in the history of this organization.

524
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Speaker 2: But we're just moving on. John Schneider and how he

525
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 2: have done this countless times, and he's done this manytime.

526
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Speaker 2: Travis Kelce like Travis. Listen, we'd have you back, but

527
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Speaker 2: for like four million dollars, right, you know, so if

528
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Speaker 2: someone else wants to give you twelve or whatever, we

529
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Speaker 2: love you. We will build a statue. But like it's

530
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Speaker 2: over man. Yeah, And that's what's going to be interesting

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Speaker 2: these next couple of days. Like, if they're doing that,

532
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Speaker 2: then I'd be like, Okay, the Chiefs, they're truly kind

533
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Speaker 2: of pivoting into this new era. Belichick did it. They

534
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 2: got they kept Brady, they're keeping ma homes and then

535
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 2: you move into mccordy, Edelman, Gronk right, the high Tower,

536
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Speaker 2: and that propelled them. If the Chiefs have an excellent offseason, draft,

537
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 2: a couple of little guys here in free agency, in

538
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 2: a couple of years, they can be back to being

539
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 2: a thirteen or fourteen win team. So it's gonna be

540
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 2: really difficult in this division this year. I think the

541
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Speaker 2: Chargers Khalil's back, now, they're gonna be I mean, they

542
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Speaker 2: got a chance to compete for the number one seed

543
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 2: for sure. In the Broncos. I mean their talent on

544
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,719
Speaker 2: their teams speaks for itself. I mean they were all

545
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 2: over the place offensively this year. And we're the number

546
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Speaker 2: one seed. So it's like, I'd be a little shocking,

547
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Speaker 2: right if they didn't win eleven twelve games again next year.

548
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 2: So I think the Chiefs you got to look probably

549
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Speaker 2: more twenty twenty seven. They also made a decision like

550
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Speaker 2: from what I've heard, McDuffie is everything you'd off the field.

551
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,959
Speaker 2: He's an A plus on the field, excellent nickel corner,

552
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 2: good outside corner. It's like, well, we can't give, Like

553
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 2: they're in a position now where these numbers are getting huge,

554
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 2: like are we gonna give thirty million dollars? The Rams

555
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 2: really need something? Yeah, it's not that they don't, like

556
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 2: you know, when they got rid of Hill, They're like, yeah,

557
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 2: we don't really trust everything that's going on here. This

558
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 2: was simply a financial like we're not comfortable where the

559
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 2: market is right now, and you're not. At the end

560
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 2: of the day, He's not like Revus or something outside

561
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 2: he's an excellent nickel, good tackler, and he was valuable

562
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 2: to the Rams, clearly. But the Rams were also house

563
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Speaker 2: money a little bit, like do they make this trade

564
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Speaker 2: if they didn't do the Falcons trade last year and

565
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Speaker 2: I have picked thirteen, Like if they only have one

566
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Speaker 2: first round pick. I do wonder if they just trade

567
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 2: twenty nine for McDuffie. This trade was easy for them.

568
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 2: They have the thirteenth overall pick, so it's like, yeah,

569
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Speaker 2: let's take twenty nine. You know we don't. We rarely

570
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Speaker 2: have that pick anyway when we do have that pick,

571
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Speaker 2: So I think it was kind of a unique circumstance.

572
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 2: This is where the spy tech. No one came close

573
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Speaker 2: to offering a pick as high as fourteen for Max

574
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Speaker 2: Crosby and the Chiefs. I don't think anyone in the

575
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Speaker 2: first round. I bet most of the teams that wanted

576
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Speaker 2: McDuffie were the good teams, and their first pick they

577
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 2: were offering were the second round, which is going to

578
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Speaker 2: be in the fifties. So I think both teams got

579
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,479
Speaker 2: to a point like, hey, we love these guys. We

580
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 2: could keep playing with these guys, but we also have

581
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 2: to think big picture, and they just got They just

582
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 2: got an amount of money or amount of draft capital they

583
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Speaker 2: couldn't refuse. Why both these trades happened so early, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean I did this a couple of days ago. John,

585
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Speaker 1: we can do this right here, I said, you know,

586
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Speaker 1: the great quarterback's got a lot of help. If I

587
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Speaker 1: said to you my heard hierarchy my top ten next year,

588
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Speaker 1: I would put the Rams today number one. Fair I

589
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: will say this, I think Gabe Davis is a really

590
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: I think he or DJ Moore, I think DJ Moore

591
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Speaker 1: is a really big deal for Buffalo. I think it is.

592
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Speaker 1: So I'll pick up buff Two.

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Speaker 2: Years ago when the Bears were in shambles, he got

594
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Speaker 2: like ninety six balls. People act this year was weird

595
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 2: new offense. Him and kleb b had a bunch of

596
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 2: other weapons. People act like DJ Morrison. Guy that's gonna

597
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 2: be in the UFL in two years. Like guys he's

598
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 2: he might not be justin Jefferson the year, but he's

599
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 2: a he's a winning play he's a good player.

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Speaker 1: Oh he's a I mean, listen, I watched every Bear snap.

601
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: The reality is Colston Loveland became such a huge player

602
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: for Caleb not shocking. He goes with another young guy,

603
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: so like a lot of it's just Luther Burden exploded

604
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Speaker 1: at the end of the year. Colston loved it. And

605
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Speaker 1: they have a terrific run game. And oh, by the way,

606
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: it's Chicago, it gets cold. You don't throw the ball

607
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Speaker 1: down the field as much. So I would say Rams

608
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Speaker 1: won Buffalo two. I'd probably put Seattle three, and then

609
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,959
Speaker 1: then it gets very interesting. I tend to think Detroit

610
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Speaker 1: getting Arizona's offensive coordinator because we both like Holmes the GM,

611
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: we like their we like their roster. I think Detroit

612
00:30:52,840 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: is gonna, you know, rebound. But then it gets really interesting. God,

613
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Speaker 1: I don't want to sound like an LA Homer and

614
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: a Chicago Homer, but I would probably do Chargers five,

615
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: Chicago Bears six. Am I crazy.

616
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Speaker 2: I'd have the Chargers really high. I think there are

617
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Speaker 2: a lot of wild card NFC teams. I would put Chicago,

618
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Speaker 2: I would put Philly. I would put the Niners. I

619
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 2: think these next two months are really big for them.

620
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 2: You know, they have some holes, they got some moving parts,

621
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Speaker 2: you know, I mean the Niners. You know, curveball is

622
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 2: always Kyle. I mean we saw him this year play

623
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 2: Philly in that playoff game. So it's like, if they're

624
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 2: just semi healthy, they're going to be competitive. The Eagles

625
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 2: are just gonna have so many good players every year

626
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 2: because of their GM. So, but they're running the Shanahan

627
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 2: system with Jalen Hurts, with this young quarterback from Oregon State.

628
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 2: You and I've been watching since the PAC twelve and

629
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 2: Sean Manion like, that's good luck to the guy, but

630
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 2: go get ready for the pressure cooker, young fellow, because

631
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 2: that is what a way to start your career. I

632
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 2: think the Giants are gonna be much improved. The Cowboys

633
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 2: have a bunch of amo. If their defense is just decent,

634
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 2: the offense is really good. I think the NFC is

635
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 2: really to me, the AFC, it's pretty clear, like Buffalo

636
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 2: is clearly top notch. If Lamar is solid, the Ravens

637
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 2: are gonna be really good. The Chargers are gonna be awesome.

638
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Speaker 2: Denver's gonna be good. I think the NFC goes like

639
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 2: nine or ten deep, because if you tell me again

640
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 2: back to the Jerry trade with Micah Parsons, they are

641
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 2: Micah Parsons injury away from that pick being like, the

642
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 2: Packers look like they were gonna win twelve or thirteen games.

643
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 2: They were killing the Bears in that playoff game until

644
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 2: it unraveled in the second half. I mean, I think

645
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 2: the Packers are pretty good, you know. I think I

646
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 2: think Micah Polson's healthy. This is such a well run organization.

647
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Speaker 1: This is my point though, I look at the look.

648
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: I just wrote down my ten favorite teams next year

649
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: right now and after free agency Rams, Buffalo, Seattle, Chargers, Chicago, Detroit, Denver, Philly,

650
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: Green Bay, Houston. I don't have the Niners. I mean,

651
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: I honestly, which is absurd considering I thought Saula and

652
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: Shanahan were probably the coaching tandema the year.

653
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are so I mean, I think.

654
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: Houston going out and getting a running back. It's like,

655
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: I mean, because their defense is good, but.

656
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 2: They are good when they win twelve games. They started

657
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 2: zero to three, so it's I mean, it is, you know,

658
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 2: a sleeper team. I think it was coming on at

659
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 2: the end. Who if they have a high pick in

660
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 2: every round. Is the Saints by the end of the

661
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 2: year that Tyler Shuck looked pretty good and they got

662
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 2: some weapons and divisions a little bit easier. You know,

663
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 2: I think Tampa's got a ton of free agents. We

664
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 2: have to see, like what is really Baker. We've seen

665
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 2: the good and the bad in Tampa. Yeah, you know,

666
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 2: Atlanta's got a ton of moving parts. Carolina, I just

667
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 2: can't buy into the little quarterback. So I could see

668
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 2: the Saints being my team this year that wins like

669
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 2: ten games the division right there. Their schedule is pretty

670
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 2: easy because they finished in the last place. So I

671
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 2: think the NFC, which it was last year, top to bottom.

672
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 2: Even Minnesota they got quarterback issues. They're such a well

673
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 2: coached team. We act like Minnesota in a little bit

674
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 2: like Detroit too had these horrendous seasons because they did

675
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 2: relative to the previous They both went nine to eight.

676
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 2: It's not like they won four games, you know, right,

677
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 2: ask John Morrow what he do for a nine and

678
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,240
Speaker 2: eight season, just to have everyone take a deep breath.

679
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: So it's I have I've been very encouraged. Free agency

680
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 1: officially starts Wednesday, but I haven't think but the McDuffie move,

681
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: the Max Crosby move, the DJ Moore move, Tyler lindebaum is.

682
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: I think if you're paying Lamar and Max, it's gonna

683
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,919
Speaker 1: be hard, and Kyle Hamilton, it's gonna be very hard

684
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: to pay your center what the market's gonna offer. I

685
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: think that's the next big shoot to drop the Giants

686
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: or the Raiders get Tyler Lindabaum. Is there anything else

687
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: out there, a bomb dropping that you would you think

688
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 1: could happen.

689
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 2: I do think once Dj Moore goes for pick sixty,

690
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 2: you know Howie goes, Well, if I'm gonna trade AJ Brown,

691
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 2: I gotta get at least a top forty pick, right,

692
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 2: So it it gets pretty complicated. Most of the teams drafting,

693
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 2: you know, from like thirty two to thirty nine forty

694
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 2: aren't good. AJ doesn't make that much sense to them.

695
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 2: And then you get into the high twenties, like who's trading?

696
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 2: You know, would Kansas City trade pick twenty nine for

697
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 2: a G. Brown? I know, financially, some of these things

698
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 2: become a little complicated. But the other thing is Alec Pierce.

699
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 2: I mean, when Daniel was healthy, he was really good.

700
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 2: And I saw Albert Breer make this point somewhere that

701
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 2: Mike Rabel's best friend is is the Wisconsin head coach Fickle,

702
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 2: and Fickle was the coach of Cincinnati when he was there.

703
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 2: I mean, this is a six to three guy that

704
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 2: can run and go deep. Well, what does Drake may

705
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 2: do well go deep? What do they just do? Get

706
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 2: rid of step On Diggs? So they're wider now they

707
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 2: do have Kyle Williams, the Washington State guy who's also

708
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 2: a vertical threat. I would be stunned if the Patriots

709
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:42,919
Speaker 2: aren't highly you know, interested in Alec Pierce. But there's

710
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 2: also you know, most of these guys, Max Crosby, we

711
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 2: would talk about getting traded right McDuffie that there was

712
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 2: clear some rumblings like they probably weren't going to resign him,

713
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 2: that they would trade him DJ Moore, it was clear

714
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 2: that they were going to pick one of their offensive

715
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,240
Speaker 2: guys there has I mean, these gms are really aggressive.

716
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 2: This has turned much more into baseball. And there are Howie.

717
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 2: When I was around Howie, he was an outlier. He

718
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 2: was ready to do deals. No one would do deals.

719
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 2: Now it feels like there's twenty five guys willing to

720
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 2: make moves at any moment, big money moves. These owners

721
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 2: have way more money, so they'll trade salaries. They don't

722
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 2: care about previous signing bonuses. I would get ready for

723
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 2: just there're gonna be a couple of wild cards these

724
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 2: next g There have been some rumors about Jalen Carter,

725
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 2: the Eagles guy, because he's gonna want forty forty five

726
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 2: million dollars a year. So it's like, are you comfortable

727
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 2: investing in the human being because the players excellent, but

728
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 2: the human it's a risky.

729
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: Well and the other thing. This is one of the

730
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: criticisms I've had with the NBA, and I don't think

731
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: Adam Silver. Adam Silver is so concerned about tanking and

732
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: dynasties that the NBA now has been replaced by the

733
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: NFL and Baseball with trades. Baseball and NFL guys, our

734
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: gms are wild day traders.

735
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 2: The NBA.

736
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Speaker 1: You can't make these big sweeping deals anymore because of

737
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 1: the aprons, and so it's like, God, the NBA does

738
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,919
Speaker 1: so many things. They're like people like dynasties were more

739
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: distracted because of our phone. It's like, NBA, you want

740
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: the Nicks and the Lakers to be good, You really

741
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: want them to be good. I'm watching what these gms

742
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 1: are doing in the NFL, and John this used to

743
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: be what the NBA did eight years ago, huge stars,

744
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 1: trading teams.

745
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 2: I know. It's it's really crazy what it's become.

746
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: Even within its own conference, like Max and now the

747
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: Raiders aren't a threat, but in your own conference you traded.

748
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. I do think the influx of money. I mean,

749
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 2: I tweeted this out yesterday. I think one thing. Football

750
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 2: obviously has a lot going for it, and it's thriving

751
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 2: right now. It does feel the majority of their players

752
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 2: really really care and are really really invested. And like

753
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 2: you said, when these trades happen, all these guys react.

754
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 2: They're just very invested into the game. They're always You

755
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 2: watch these guys' Twitter accounts during college football Saturday. I mean,

756
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 2: they you can't really play football without being an all

757
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 2: in football guy. You can for a minute, but you

758
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 2: will get exposed. You can't have long careers. Most of

759
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 2: the top guys are kind of junkies, you know. I mean,

760
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 2: and I think you watch Max Crosby talking hearing these

761
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 2: stories about Trent McDuffie. I mean, these guys are just

762
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 2: all in. I think one thing the end that hurts

763
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 2: the NBA. It feels like half the people don't care.

764
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 2: And I'm not even just talking about the players and

765
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 2: the coaches, the gms they're actively trying. It's like, do

766
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 2: you guys care as much as the people watching your sport?

767
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 2: Because if you don't, if the entertainment doesn't care, the

768
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 2: consumer is not going to care. And the one thing

769
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 2: football has, you know, the stories are well document about

770
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 2: the coaches, how they're maniacal workers. It feels like the

771
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,919
Speaker 2: players aren't that far behind. So it's like, God, they're

772
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 2: as invested as I am watching these games and following

773
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:51,280
Speaker 2: this sport.

774
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: Here are two or three things that fans The ratings

775
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: and the clicks prove fans love big trade. NBA doesn't

776
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: have them, dynasties baseball, NFL regularly has them, and massive passion.

777
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: Well load management has been outrageous in the NBA for

778
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: like eight to ten years. Just think about the things

779
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: that and this isn't just a dump on the NBA,

780
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:24,760
Speaker 1: but don't overthink the room on this shit. Dynasties, big trades,

781
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: guys that live that did cry after losses, that deeply care.

782
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: You're not getting that with James Harden like you're not

783
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: getting that with the NBA. So I thought that. I

784
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:42,280
Speaker 1: thought the Max Crosby comments were very symbolic of why

785
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: we love football. I think you really touch on something.

786
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 1: I think Matt and I've been bringing Max on a

787
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: couple of times a year for years. I'd see him

788
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,720
Speaker 1: at every UFC fight I went to. He would talk

789
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: to anybody any time. Stay with Christian McCaffrey, you come

790
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: up and talk to Christian mccaffreey, we'll talk your ear off.

791
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: And I think that's it's just a relatability that matters.

792
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 2: And think about this, and I'm going to talk about

793
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,760
Speaker 2: this on my podcast. Is that McCaffrey, you know, comes

794
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 2: from I don't want to say NFL royalty, but Ed

795
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 2: was a really good NFL player, went to Stanford, like Christian,

796
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 2: it would max to me, represents the NFL and honestly

797
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 2: kind of society. Didn't go to a school that most

798
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 2: people have heard about. Was not draft. He wasn't even

799
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 2: the first defensive end his own team took in that draft.

800
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 2: They took Cleveland Ferrell in the top five. And when

801
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 2: the dust settles, he just keeps grinding. He had issues

802
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 2: off the field, fixed that, became a great husband, became

803
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:40,280
Speaker 2: a focused guy, started lapping people, and as he got older,

804
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 2: started taking people out in the dust. Because that's the NFL.

805
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 2: Came from a school. It wasn't Alabama or USC. Then

806
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you look up, the guy's made

807
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 2: nine Pro Bowls and two hundred million dollars. Khalil Mack

808
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 2: just made a I googled it yesterday and like, how

809
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 2: much money is this guy made, but at the end

810
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 2: of next year he'll have made two hundred and twenty

811
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 2: million dollars played a Buffalo and he's stock. He's he

812
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 2: looks incredible last year if it wouldn't have been for

813
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 2: the elbow injury, probably it's ten sacks. So it's like

814
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 2: the NFL is full of guys that, yes, you're gonna

815
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,399
Speaker 2: get you know, your Peyton Manning from the sec number

816
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 2: one pick, but you're also gonna get a guy that

817
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 2: was a one year starter that's drafts in the sixth

818
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 2: round become your greatest quarterback of all time. You know,

819
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 2: Joe Montana forever, he was a third round pick who's

820
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 2: six foot one. You know, It's like guys come in

821
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 2: all shapes and sizes, they come all different paths in football.

822
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 2: It's not like some guys have early good starts like

823
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 2: check in after four or five years. Because the NFL

824
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 2: year in year out to be a really good player,

825
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 2: especially in the trenches or a quarterback or a linebacker.

826
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Speaker 2: It is. And the other thing, I just think there's

827
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Speaker 2: a nature of the sport, whether it's high school, college

828
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 2: or the NFL. Even with nil you're still getting yelled

829
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 2: at at practice, there's a nature your your teammates are

830
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 2: yelling at you. There's a humility that just comes along

831
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 2: with being criticized by your peers and buy your bosses

832
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 2: every single day, which I just think happens less and

833
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 2: less all over. You could argue society, and I think

834
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 2: that helps these NFL guys. They just feel very relatable

835
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,280
Speaker 2: when you see him in social settings with just normal

836
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 2: everyday people that they can interact I'd say most of

837
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 2: them pretty easily.

838
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Speaker 1: Well, that's why people are so down on Kyler Murray

839
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 1: is he's such an outlier where you're not sure he

840
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: loves the sport. That's so rare in football. That's very

841
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: common in the NBA, where guys at four o'clock call

842
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: up and say, I, you know, I got my ankle hurts.

843
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: You know I took a nap, my ankle hurts, and

844
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Speaker 1: they don't you know, and I don't. I'm not saying

845
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: they're lying, but it's just like you don't play through

846
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: certain things.

847
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 2: So to me, that's why to me Kyler like, I

848
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 2: wouldn't be in that business. And if you are in

849
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870
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: out because you live in Arizona. I actually I actually

871
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 1: said I would have called the Raiders with the number

872
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: three pick and offered like three number ones to get

873
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,959
Speaker 1: Fernando Mendoza because I think he's the opposite of Kyler Murray.

874
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: I think there's a stink around the franchise that it's

875
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: just you know, it's you know, like when Tim Tebow

876
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 1: was in Denver and he won a playoff game, he

877
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 1: was wildly popular. They didn't bring in an average quarterback

878
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: to replace him. They went Peyton Manning because they knew

879
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 1: that he had a religious connection with fans. He'd won

880
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: a playoff game, he was wildly popular merchandise, and I

881
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: feel like to replace Kyler, like ty Simpson's like, you know,

882
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: you're not going to have any issues coming from Kaylin

883
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: de Borr and Nick Saban. It's a big football program. Mendoza,

884
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: I mean Ty Simpson. I also think like I think

885
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: one of the more interesting players in the first round

886
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,760
Speaker 1: is actually ty Simpson because I think he probably grades

887
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: out at about thirty five or forty. But if you're

888
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 1: Arizona and you have the third pick, and you're like, okay,

889
00:44:56,320 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: we can get malanoa the offensive lineman from Miami, or

890
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: we could trade down several times and at like fifteen

891
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 1: to eighteen draft high Simpson and get another third, fourth fifth.

892
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: What would you do if you're an Arizona or you

893
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 1: would you just take the offensive lineman from Miami.

894
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 2: We're on your trade proposal. I think Spytech would just

895
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 2: have to say no. Even if you go, well, the

896
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 2: Arizona could have the number one pick the following year.

897
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 2: It's almost like the bird in the hand. You know,

898
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 2: the Raiders have been they haven't won a playoff game

899
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 2: in twenty three years. They've only been twice. I think

900
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 2: him and Brady were at that in the Miami National

901
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 2: Championship game and saw him play well, so I think

902
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 2: that was I'm sure they got inquiries. Remember two years

903
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 2: ago everyone wanted Drake May and number three in Elliot

904
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 2: Wolf stayed pretty He's like, now, we're just not interested

905
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 2: in the Giants. Some of these reports of what they

906
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 2: were offered. These are one of those words, Yeah, we'll

907
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 2: call you back. We've got to have a meeting on this,

908
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 2: but you know you got to say no. I'm not

909
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 2: saying that. I'm sure I haven't had speed three. To me,

910
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 2: I'm never a guy like the ty Simpson types. I

911
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 2: would put Mac Jones in this world, you know, Canny

912
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 2: Pickett coming out of college. I can't take those type

913
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 2: guys in the first round. Like I'm not a I

914
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,399
Speaker 2: take I have like I understand taking the swings even

915
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 2: when they blow up in your face. On Anthony Richardson

916
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 2: or what the forty nine ers did with Trey Lance,

917
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 2: Uh list Sometimes that looks the worst possible, right Anthony.

918
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 2: It couldn't have gone much worse. Trey Lance was a disaster.

919
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 2: But I get it. To me ty Simpson, I like,

920
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,760
Speaker 2: there's a physical kind.

921
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 1: Of limitation, you know.

922
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's just you have to you have to check

923
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 2: some boxes for me to pull the trigger. One year

924
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 2: Starter he did have a good stretch and then he

925
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 2: got a little banged up. Well it's like, you don't

926
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,280
Speaker 2: think a guy's gonna get banged up in the pros.

927
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 2: He's not the biggest guy all counts. He's a high

928
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 2: level guy. To me, historically, got those guys went like

929
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 2: after pick fifty. Yeah, and I know things have changed,

930
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 2: but like I'm old enough to remember when guys like

931
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 2: Derek Carr and Jimmy Garoppolo went in the second round

932
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,240
Speaker 2: so it's like, there's there's no way he is graded

933
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 2: as high as these offensive linemen and defensive lineman. So

934
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,439
Speaker 2: I don't think you're gonna be able to trade down.

935
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 2: That's this draft. I mean, some of the best play

936
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 2: you could argue the best two players after the quarterback,

937
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 2: and they might even be graded as better players. But

938
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 2: the quarterback's value so high would be the Notre Dame

939
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 2: running back Jeremiah Love and Caleb Downs. But like usually

940
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 2: people don't take safeties and running backs at like two

941
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 2: or three. I think there's a chance, Colin. I mean,

942
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 2: I claimed I was gonna watch the combine, then all

943
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 2: of a sudden, I found myself, especially the running backs,

944
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 2: certain positions are a little more intriguing. He gave this

945
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 2: interview after they asked him, hey, could you do some

946
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 2: some receiving drills because you know, a Notre Dame they

947
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 2: don't throw it. It's not like they're running the Shanahan

948
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 2: McVeigh offense. And it's like he could have easily after

949
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 2: he ran a four to three five, said the guys,

950
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,760
Speaker 2: I undone, everyone would have understood. He did every running

951
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 2: back drill, and then they asked him, hey, could you

952
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 2: these guys want to see you catch it, no problem.

953
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 2: It's like, jeez, I think the Titan at four could

954
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 2: take Jeremiah Love. I wouldn't even overthink it. Get this

955
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 2: star running back. He's like a Bijon Robinson McCaffrey type.

956
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 2: Put him right with your young quarterback. You have his defensive,

957
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 2: tough head coach like I was a whoa well the

958
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 2: Caleb Downs thing. There have been some rumors about the knee.

959
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 2: I haven't heard anything, but like, both those two guys

960
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 2: are gonna be good NFL players.

961
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 1: The most you know rvel rees people think is a

962
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 1: free athletically, but my take is right now, he's projecting

963
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: at certain positions. David Bailey at Texas Tech is a

964
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 1: plug and play rush end. He's not a Bosa. He's

965
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: probably probably not Khalil Mack as a prospect. He's not

966
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: Aiden Hutchison, but he's good. He's a starter Day one

967
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: for anybody in the league. He's a really nice player.

968
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: Stanford of Texas Tech good player he already has. He

969
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 1: is a edge rusher. He's the best edge rusher in

970
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: the draft. Rvel Reese is an amazing athlete, but he needs

971
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 1: the right coach to make it work, Robert Sala at four.

972
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: I trust with Rvel Rees he could say he could

973
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 1: be a little Warner, a little Bosa. I don't trust

974
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: Aaron Glenn to find his way to work. I'm not

975
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 1: asking that guy to turn up a project into a

976
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 1: great player. So my take a fascinating pick at number

977
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: two is does Aaron Glenn have any smoke in the building,

978
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,879
Speaker 1: because I'm telling you he's going get me that guy.

979
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 1: And it's like the ownership has got to be sitting

980
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: there thinking how much power are we going to give

981
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 1: Aaron Glenn. Like at the end of last year, John

982
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: it had a Freddy Kitchens feel like David Cully where

983
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 1: you're like, wow, this is not a head coach. So

984
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: I think the number two pick with the Jets is

985
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 1: fascinating because I would just go get the certain thing.

986
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,240
Speaker 1: I would get a Caleb Downs, I'd get a David Bailey,

987
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: the offensive lineman who maybe a great guard. Better than

988
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: it is not a left tackle, He's a right tackler

989
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:49,760
Speaker 1: or an interior lineman. Rvel Reese to the Jets feels

990
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: like trouble.

991
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 2: I think the Jets are your away from people starting

992
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 2: doing some Eli manning to the Chargers and four some

993
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 2: of these quarterbacks going on, I'm not going there. If

994
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 2: Sam has another good year, you go, no chance. We

995
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 2: haven't seen that in a while. But they got that

996
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 2: written all over them. Because the one thing this is

997
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:11,439
Speaker 2: where Mark Davis deserves credit branding with Brady letting him

998
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 2: get in with these two billionaires. Even they have the

999
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 2: number one pick, but they Spike Tech's a high level guy,

1000
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,280
Speaker 2: but they don't feel like a number one pick organization

1001
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 2: because you know Tom that that name like he brings

1002
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,919
Speaker 2: them credibility. The Jets to me feel like as bad

1003
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 2: as it gets. You know, they got a coach who

1004
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,280
Speaker 2: said he said at the combine calling plays was a superpower.

1005
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 2: It's like, well, then, why didn't you do that last year?

1006
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 2: You hired a defensive coordinator that you didn't even know

1007
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 2: that you fired in the middle of the year. I

1008
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 2: think the Jets they franchise tagged Brishall is a good player,

1009
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 2: franchise tagging Breese Hall. I have a theory too on

1010
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 2: franchise tags, like in this day and age, with the

1011
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 2: size of the cap. If you get to the spot

1012
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 2: where you have to franchise tag a player, I'll give

1013
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 2: the Falcons a little bit of a pass because their

1014
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:01,359
Speaker 2: new administration. But if you've been there with the guy,

1015
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 2: you know, Jerry, like you know in October November, like

1016
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 2: are you gonna get this guy extension? Just get it done?

1017
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 2: You should not be in franchise tag situations are something

1018
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 2: you should try to avoid at all costs because you

1019
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:14,439
Speaker 2: either know you want to extend this guy a big

1020
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 2: picture or it's like let's move on from him. But

1021
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 2: to extend a running back who Again, I'm not anti

1022
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 2: Brese Hall was like you're the Jets, Like what are

1023
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 2: we doing? That one, to me kind of symbolizes like

1024
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 2: this organization is. You know, sometimes a narrative takes on

1025
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 2: a life its own. I think the Jets have well

1026
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 2: this stuff is truly self inflicted and brought upon, like

1027
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 2: you know, they deserve what everyone's saying about him.

1028
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Breece Hall. There's data out there not

1029
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: to sign a running back to a second contract. So

1030
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 1: I think Breece Hall is a good player. I don't

1031
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 1: think he had a huge market. I just don't think

1032
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,839
Speaker 1: he did. So my take was sit him down and

1033
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: be like we like you, We'll give you a reasonable contract.

1034
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just look at John Schneider. He drafts Kenneth

1035
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 2: high in the second round. Think it was like pick

1036
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 2: forty or forty one. The guy has an incredible second

1037
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 2: half of the season, leads him. I mean, he's a

1038
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 2: huge reason they beat the Rams. Absolutely, he was unobviously

1039
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 2: won the Super Bowl MVP, but he was dominant in

1040
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 2: that game. But yeah, we're not franchise ttaging. You see

1041
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 2: a God speed good luck to you. That's kind of

1042
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 2: the NFL. I mean, that's that's what you do. So

1043
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 2: it's like, hey, Brice, we appreciate everything you've done. Your

1044
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 2: former second round pick here a good talented player, probably

1045
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 2: have success somewhere else, but we're not giving you. I

1046
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 2: don't even know what the franchise tag is for running

1047
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 2: back twelve thirteen million. It's like, what are you doing?

1048
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 2: You're not a running back team? Like you have so

1049
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 2: many other needs, so many other issues. It made that

1050
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 2: that to me was a pretty big head scratcher. Where

1051
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 2: are the Falcons? I can understand. It's like, well, it's

1052
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 2: Kyle Pitts, who's never really worked for people till last year.

1053
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 2: If I'm Stefanski, He's like, let's see if he works

1054
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 2: for me? Like I did understand that move, Like instead

1055
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 2: of giving him like fifty sixty million dollars guarantee because

1056
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 2: he would have got a lot of money on the

1057
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 2: open market, Let's just play this out for a year.

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Speaker 2: If it's not going well, maybe we could trade. I'm

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Speaker 2: at the middle of the year, and if it does,

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Speaker 2: we'll extend him in the middle of the season.

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Speaker 1: John Middlecoff, former NFL scout. Yeah. Free agency begins in

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Speaker 1: earnest on Wednesday. A good forty five minutes to.

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Speaker 2: Chat today, Budd, fun time of year the volume.

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